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thanks very much for watching. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." for the international viewers, amanpour is next. for our north america viewers, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. mr. blitzer, thank you very much. great to be with you on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching the special coverage of indiana primary. listen, for ted cruz, the presidential candidate himself just made them skyrocket on the day the hoosiers go to the polls. he unleashed on donald trump when's been on track to win indiana. a state that just a couple of weeks ago supposed to be ted cruz country. cruz let loose in response to donald trump's spreading tabloid headlines about cruz's father and then rounded up the tirade saying it's up to indiana voters
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to save the nation from, quote/unquote the abyss. watch for yourself. >> this morning, donald trump went on national television and attacked my father. donald trump alleges that my dad was involved in assassinating jfk. now, let's be clear. this is nuts. this is not a reasonable position. this is just cooky. i guess i should admit my dad killed jfk. he is elvis and jimmy hoffa is buried in his backyard. donald's source for this is "the national enquirer." it's tabloid trash. but it's run by his good friend david peckard the ceo who's endorsed donald trump and has become his hit piece he uses to smear anybody and everybody. and this is not the first time
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donald trump has used david pecker's "national enquirer" to go after my family. it was also the national enquirer that went after my wife, heidi. that just spread lies, blatant lies. but i guess donald dismayed because it was a couple of years they wrote a story about jfk and donald was dismayed that the folks in the media weren't repeating this latest idiocy and he figured he would have to do it himself. he would have to go on national television and accuse my dad of that. listen. my father has been my hero my whole life. my dad was imprisoned and tortured in cuba. when he came to america, he had nothing. he had $100 in his underwear. he washed dishes making 50 cents an hour. he's the kind of person donald trump looks down on. i'm going to do something that i haven't done for the whole
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campaign. i'll tell you what i really think of donald trump. this man is a pathological liar. he doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. he lies practically every word that comes out of of his mouth. and in a pattern i think is straight out of a psychology textbook, his response is to accuse everybody else of lying. he accuses everybody on that debate stage of lying. and it's simply a mindless yell. whatever he does he accuses everyone else of doing. the man cannot tell the truth but he combines it with being a narcissist. a narcissist at a level i don't think this country's ever seen. donald trump is such a narcissist that barack obama looks at him and goes, dude, what's your problem? everything in donald's world is about donald.
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and he combines being a pathological liar, and i say pathological because i actually think donald if you hooked him up to a lie detector test he could say one thing in the morning, one thing at noon and one thing in the evening all contradictory and he would pass the lie detector test because any lie he tells at this minute he believes it. but the man is utterly a moron. let me finish this please. the man is utterly amoral. it's why he went after heidi directly and smeared my wife, attacked her. apparently she is not pretty enough for donald trump. i may be biassed but i think if he's making that allegation he's also legally blind. but donald is a bully. you know, we just visited with
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fifth graders. every one of us knew bullies in elementary school. bullies don't come from strength. bullies come from weakness. bullies come from a deep, yawning cavern of insecurity. there is a reason donald builds giant buildings and puts his name on them everywhere he goes. and i will say there are millions of people in this country who are angry, angry at washington, angry at politicians who have lied to them. i understand that anger. i share that anger. and donald is cynically exploiting that anger and he is lying to his supporters. donald will betray his supporters on every issue. if you care about immigration, donald is laughing at you. and he's telling the moneyed elites he doesn't believe what he's saying. that's what he told "the new
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york times." he'll betray you on every issue. >> okay. mad lewis is a cnn political commentator and a senior contributor to daily caller. mark preston is cnn executive political editor. gentlemen, my goodness. let's assure everyone, mr. trump reacted but on cruz, matt, you say where was this ted cruz six months ago. yes? >> absolutely. look. i think cruz is right about everything he's saying about donald trump. but let's not forget for months and months ted cruz provided cover for donald trump when he said horrible things about mexicans being rapists, about p.o.w.s, megyn kelly. ted cruz said, he's my friend. he is just fighting political correctness. i like donald. and so, now cruz i think he sees that the jig is up. i mean, this is sort of like the maybe last day of this campaign
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and i think he's speaking truth to power right now but where was this guy before? >> do you agree, mark preston? i have heard either assessing, thinking this is the end of the road for him and why the heck not? let it rip. or truly this is deep down how he felt for so long and finally before going out he's getting something off his chest. >> i think it's all of the above and i think ted cruz felt this way since day one and day one of this campaign and he thought politically smart to embrace donald trump and he would have imploded and not be the front reas runner at this point in the campaign. ted cruz today, it did seem in many ways to be a last gasp, a desperate attempt to sully donald trump, throw the accusations at him. and perhaps, you know, i don't think it's going to have effect on tonight's primary in indiana but maybe he is trying to plant a seed in the last states and last nine remaining states to
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cast as much doubt as he can to try to stop donald trump from getting 1,237 delegates. >> okay. i know you two have seen this. let's read it for everyone else keeping score. donald trump has responded. let's read the whole thing for you. quote, ted cruz is a desperate candidate trying to save a failing campaign. it is no surprise he resorted to the usual tablgtices of over the top rhetoric that nobody believes. orr the last week i watched lying ted become more and more unhinged as he's unable to react under the pressure and stress of losing in all cases by landslides the last six primary elections. in fact, coming in last place in all but one of them. today's ridiculous outburst only proves that ted cruz does not have the temperament to be president of the united states. matt, just looping back to you, if you say there is truth to, you know, the charged attacks senator cruz is making, mark preston thinks it won't hurt trump. do you agree?
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>> yeah. i agree. people supporting trump for a variety of reasons. >> why not? >> they're not moved by what ted cruz is saying because ted cruz is not saying anything different than i haven't been saying for a past year and marco rubio said. >> you're not running for president. >> that's true. in fairness. my reach isn't quite as long. marco rubio said the same thing and i'll even draw a parallel to rubio. this reminds me of marco rubio the last days -- >> the pant wetting. >> this is what happens before like at the very end when all else fails, you tell the truth and you throw everything you have at donald trump. and it doesn't seem to work. >> mark preston, do you think, you know, now that we have the two adult men throwing these kinds of jabs at one another, eventually there will be just one. how will this help or hurt the unification of the party because that's kind of been an issue? >> look at. i think if you're inclined to support donald trump you support him. if you are looking at the inevitability and you are a
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party faithful person then you probably will line up maybe grudgingly line up behind donald trump and there's an element of republicans certainly the establishment types not lining up behind donald trump and a lot of talk of would they go in support hillary clinton? you know, perhaps some of them will. but i don't think so and an overwhelming way i think for a lot of republicans who fear donald trump as their nominee, hoping to get beyond the november election and already looking right now, brooke, four years down the road to the next presidential election. >> which could be a reason we haven't seen rubio endorse anyone. same question to you, matt. >> what's the question? >> the question is, about the party unification. >> sorry. oh yeah. >> and whether or not that happens! >> i think most people will come around, grudgingly. look. i think a llt of never trump folkss will become never hillar. i think a certain holdouts and honest and principled but i think most people, look. we are -- you know, sort of
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invisible forces that push people to make a buy their choice. if you're a politician, if you're an operative, even a commentator, the world wants you to pick a side. and you're either on the republican side or the democratic side. there's not a lot of space for hillary's horrible but on the other hand i don't like donald trump's populism and doesn't sell that well in our political media world. >> what was the question? matt lewis! we'll have you back. don't you worry. >> all right. >> mark preston, thank you so much. nice to see you and have you as my seat mate saturday night. thank you, as well. coming up next, much more on the comments of ted cruz and what he said about how trump treats women. we'll also get direct reaction of a senior member of the trump campaign. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. >> people who are insecure about who they are, donald is terrified by strong women. he lashes out at them. you both have a
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welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching special live coverage of the critical primary in indiana. we have been talking about ted cruz's tirade against donald trump on this make or break day of voting. let's play you a little bit more. ted cruz unloading on the front-runner of the republican party donald trump after trump repeated a tabloid report of ted cruz's dad. >> and his strategy of being a bully in particular is directed at women. donald has a real problem with women. people who are insecure, people who are insecure about who they are, donald is terrified by strong women. he lashes out at them. remember, this is the same donald trump who last week here in indiana proudly touted the endorsement from mike tyson, a convicted rapist who served three years here in indiana for raping a 17-year-old girl and in donald's world he said mike tyson was a tough guy.
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i don't think rapists are tough guys. i spent a lot of years in law enforcement dealing with rapists. rapists are weak. they are cowards and they're bullies, an anyone who thinks that they're a tough guy, that reveals everything about donald trump's character. donald trump said bill clinton was targeted by unattractive women. you know what? i've been blessed to be surrounded by strong women my entire life. today's voting day here in indiana. the president of the united states has a bully pulpit unlike anybody else. the president of the united states affects our culture. i ask the people of indiana, think about the next five years. if this man were to become
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president. think about the next five years, the boasting, the pathological lying, the picking up the national enquirer and accusing people of killing jfk. the bullying. think about your kids coming back and emulating this. for people in indiana who long for a day when we were nice to each other. when we treated people with respect. when we didn't engage in sleaze and lies and i would note one of the lies he engages in, listen. donald trump is a serial philanderer and he boasts about it. this is not a secret. he's proud of being a serial philanderer. i want everyone to think about your teenage kids. the president of the united states talks about how great it is to commit adultery. how proud he is describes his battles with venereal disease as
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his own personal vietnam. that's a quote, by the way, on "the howard stern show." do you want to spend the next five years with your kids bragging about infidelity? what does he do? same projection. just like a liar, accuses everyone of lying even though he boasts about his infidelity. he plants a lie about me and my family attacking my family. he accuses others of doing what he is doing. i'll tell you as the father of two young girls, the idea of our daughters coming home and repeating any word that man says horrifies me. that is not who america is. and i would say to the hoosier state, the entire country's depending on you. the entire country's looking to you right now. it is only indiana that can pull us back. it is only the good sense and good judgment of indiana that
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can pull us back. we're staring at the abyss. >> joining me now, haley bumgardiner for the trump campaign, genevieve wood who is a senior contributor to the daily signal and pete seat, communications director for the indiana republican party and now a ma pro jekt senior manager at hath away that advised john kasich's campaign. welcome to all of you. haley, out of the gate, senator cruz is talking about your candidate, pathological liar, amoral, narcissist. care to respond? >> i don't know whether to laugh because it's so comical or to cry because it's truly sad. i think it's indicative of ted cruz knowing that his campaign is in a free for all and quite frankly this type of response is
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him being a bully an incredibly unpresidential. >> barry bennett was on, another trump adviser using the same word you did, sad. i have to push you and say how is this different from your candidate saying over and over and over, lying ted, lying ted, lying ted? >> well, i think that, you know, to brand ted cruz as he is, he is a liar. he flip flops not only on the issues -- >> how is it okay for trump to say that but not for senator cruz. >> i'm not saying that it's incorrect for ted cruz to be speaking and saying what he feels and not presidential. and it's indicative of him knowing that his campaign is near the end. >> pete seat, what do you think this is about here? >> well, clearly, senator cruz became unhinged, i guess the natural step after desperation. you pinpointed it perfectly, brooke. this highlights what donald
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trump is doing this entire election cycle. he's offended minorities, hispanics, women, anyone. neither ted cruz nor donald trump have proven that they have the temperament to be commander in chief. i think that's why you're going to see a lot of people in the hoosier state today even though john kasich is not actively campaigning, they'll vote for him because he did not sully the process the way the two gentlemen have. >> i have a lot of questions for you on indiana. but first, let's play a mash-up so we all remember this bro-mance between the two now rivals. roll it. >> ted cruz is a friend of mine and a good guy. >> big fan of donald trump's. i'll say this. i think donald trump is bringing a bold, brash voice to this presidential race. >> well, it is a little bit of a romance. i like him. he likes me. he's backed me 100%. >> donald trump is a friend of mine.
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i like and respect donald. many of the other republican candidates used this opportunity to take a stick and smack donald trump. i ain't going to do it. >> genevieve, what -- i mean, you laugh. it's how they felt or said they felt months ago. what do you think about that? >> well, i mean, you never see flip flopping like you do in a presidential campaign and people, i mean, what they said a month ago is completely different than saying today. brooke, i think what we have seen over the last day or two, it is really unfortunate. i mean, this is not what either of these candidates should be talking about. and, you know, donald trump is not successful because he's running around with lying ted or little marco or any of the other names to different candidates. it is because of the issues he's raised and brought up, agreeing with him or not. he talked about issues people cared about and frankly, ted cruz, i mean, i'm disappointed
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to see this because he's got a lot of great ideas about how to get the country back on track. if you look at indiana, like every other state, you ask people what they're concerned about. they say the economy. they say jobs. ted cruz should be out there talking about how he wants to get rid of obamacare, get rid of regulations hurting the economy and making it harder for people to create jobs. that's what the people of indiana ought to want to hear about. what are you going to do to make my life better? they don't want to hear about mike tyson. you know, i understand he's frustrated and maybe wanted to say this for sometime but it's unfortunate that it's come to this. >> i always try to think like the viewers, especially someone in indiana, are they even like watching and parsing the words as closely as i know we all are. pete, to you. genevieve brings up a great point on issues for the folks in the hoosier state. i'm curious. you have said to people who think they know how the hoosiers vote, hang on. it's not as cut and dry as they
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think. explain that for me. >> well, absolutely. you look back to 2008 where hoosiers split the tickets and voted for mitch daniels as governor and barack obama to be president of the united states. we're likely going to have another scenario like that tonight. if donald trump wins the state, the u.s. senate candidate and the republican primary is likely to be todd young who is more the establishment candidate, someone when's more pragmatic, doesn't lash out at people the way donald trump does. hoosiers split the tickets and really look at what the candidates are talking about, what issues are important to them. i think coming to ted cruz and this state, he was given a prime opportunity to earn votes. but he failed to do so. he failed to really make the case to hoosier voters, those swing moderate voters that he needed to win indiana, that he's the one to pull the lever for. he had a chance and he blew it. >> healy, you want to jump?
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>> i think the bottom line is that mr. trump is earning the votes of the american people based on merit. he's not stumping with talking points and typical d.c. rhetoric. he's having conversations at rallies and out while he's campaigning. that people are having behind their closed doors. that's refreshing. he's a winner. his success is proven in his business. and we look forward to winning indiana tonight. >> if that's the case, genevieve, final question to you, you know, everyone will be listening to how ted cruz sort of classifies his loss or how big of a loss it could be, it may not be huge. i don't know yet. i can't predict the future. >> we don't know. >> how do you think he should speak about donald trump? if at all. >> well, i mean, i would like to say, look. as a conservative, i'm somebody who said from the get-go i'm for whoever wins at the end of this thing. i'm going to get behind them and
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i would like for the candidates that took the pledge, what? five months ago, whenever it was saying i'll support whoever the nominee ends up being, i think that's what they should all do. and i think, again, i know that means they have to change what they said in the last couple of days but as we saw from the tape of earlier, that's not impossible to do. they can find ways to come to agreement on this. i think that's what they should all do. >> genevieve, healy and pete, thank you all so, so much. huge day in indiana. appreciate your time. next, ted cruz, you know, getting snubbed by a key group that supported him in other states. when's happening in indiana on conservative radio? we'll talk about that. and on the democratic side, hillary clinton opening up today about how painkiller addiction has affected her own friends. getting personal there in west virginia. that's next.
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just past bottom of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. hillary clinton and bernie sanders, yes, locked in a tight race in indiana but as voters head to the polls today hillary clinton is skipping indiana. she is on the trail in west virginia where her words are coming back to haunt her. >> i'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. >> that promise at a town hall in march to put coal workers out
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of business leading to this emotional confrontation. >> i want the know how you can say you're going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs and then come in here and tell us how you're going to be our friend because those people out there don't see you as a friend. >> just short time ago in an interview she said this. >> i'm not writing off any part of america, any people in our country. and that includes here in west virginia in coal country so i wanted to be here. i want to lift the visibility of the issues, create a political understanding of what we must do as a nation to support people who literally have supported us for generations. >> joining me now, van jones, cnn political commentator and former special adviser to president obama. van, you know, secretary clinton said her comments in march were a misstatement. she said she was sorry. what do you make of all of this?
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>> it's really unfortunate because all of us who are a part of the clean energy revolution have been especially concerned about the impact on the workforce, talking not just the coal miners. you have oil workers, you have people risking their lives every day, coal miners in particular risk their lives, their lungs, limbs every day to help us keep the lights turned on. the reality is any transition out of one sector to another you can have winners and losers and if you don't care of the loodsers you throw american heroes overboard. they're heroes. i don't like the coal companies but the miners are heroes so you have to speak from that place at all times and made a mistake. i know her heart and cares at all americans. it was a mistake and i think hurts her. the reality is, of course, west virginia in particular has not voted for a democrat since they voted for her husband. maybe gore won. but they haven't gone for a democrat for a long time and so she had an opportunity and i think she's very -- you have to
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give her the credit that she went in there knowing -- >> sitting around that table, why. >> that she was going to get it. she showed up. it shows courage and character and it was a big mistake. >> she -- drug issues. i lived and worked in west virginia for a number of years. it is an issue. west virginia senator, former governor, joe manchin, you know, his plan to tax opioid manufacturers at a penny per milligram produced and secretary clinton said she has had losses within her own family friends have been affected. here she was. >> bill and i now have five family friends who lost their adult children to opioid overdose. we knew two of those young people. in their 20s and early 30s, quite well. they had everything to live for. they had no intention of ending their lives.
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but they also did not know the risks. >> this is a problem. keeps coming up on the trail. republicans and democrats all talking about it. >> yeah. you know, it's funny. it's bittersweet for me because i think people are starting to learn. we have 90% of all the opioids sold on planet earth are sold to people in the united states. we're only 5% of the world's population. we don't have 90% of the world's pain. what we have got is pharmaceutical company, industries, they're flooding the market with this stuff and killing people. and it's on the one hand and then when you try to take people off that stuff, sometimes they turn to heroin. you have an epidemic. i love to see the compassion, both parties not demagoguing this but trying and breaks my heart because when you had a similar drug problem with crack cocaine 20 years ago, it was treated completely differently. a lot of this stuff you hear about illegal drug use. i don't see s.w.a.t. teams in
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the rural america like going into urban america. i hope that the compassion starting to develop around heroin, let's also look at the other issues of addiction. and stop criminalizing addiction. there are people sitting in prison right now not because they're a threat but an addiction. we treated it totally differently. a huge opportunity not just to show in a political season sympathy for votes but the country we are a wiser country now about addiction. let's decriminalize the stuff and help people instead of hurting them. >> before i let you go, i have to just ask you, you know, this whole ted cruz, the narcissistic -- what else did he say? amoral, pathological liar. on and on and on. railing against donald trump. what do you think that's about? really. >> i think it's about breaking up is hard to do. that's what i think it is. they were best friends. you know? >> come on. were they really? were they trareally?
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>> while donald trump knocking off everybody else, ted cruz hugging him so hard that -- >> bro-mance. >> it was. chris christie was jealous. so, my big problem, though, is that this is a fire that ted cruz set. ted cruz with the shutdown, irrational shutdown, calling his own senate colleague a liar. all this stuff ted cruz was doing seeing that it could be a pathway to him. sometimes setting a house fire you get trapped in the fire. he threw reason out and decorum. he did the stuff to benefit him. now someone crazier than he is and getting the benefit and he is crying. i have very little sympathy for him. >> telling it like you feel it. van jones. thank you very much. thank you. next, ted cruz. he is waging an uphill battle in the state of indiana today and this time an influential voice helped him in past races is
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conspicuously absent here. is conservative radio giving cruz the silent treatment? we'll talk about that. also a former republican presidential candidate from this cycle, former virginia, as well. about what ted cruz had to say about donald trump today. what the governor makes of the state of the race now. a lot for him. a lot to talk about on this indiana primary tuesday. we'll be right back. oes we solde a pair to a child in need. at&t has been with me since day one, keeping me connected to my team, to my business, and to the reason we put giving first. toms started small, but now we've given shoes to more than 50 million children in need. i'm blake and this is my network. the network of at&t. of bad breath germs% for a 100% fresh mouth. with breath so fresh, it's no wonder listerine® users
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just a little context as we're talking indiana today. remember ted cruz won wisconsin with the help of conservative talk radio. not, though, getting the same
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support in indiana. senator cruz discovering that this once reliable ally is surprisingly silent. perhaps just as telling and troubling for the texas senator, there is not an organized anti-trump movement on the awaves in indiana either. so here's to discuss, john croll. he also hosts "no limits" in indianapolis. john, wonderful to see you today. >> same here. >> so, first up, where many would look for the conservative voice, you know, at least among hoosiers in your state, you don't really have that and i'm curious as to why. >> well, that's a complicated story. we did have a pretty strident voice about 20, 25 years ago. stan solomon did attract big numbers but advertisers tended to free from his show because he
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wasn't real predictable in what he was saying. since then, the conservative radio talk show hosts we have had have been guys like our current governor mike pence who did a stent of conservative talk radio and did well at it but his brand of conservatism at the time over the air was much more sort of the awe shucks ronald reagan i'm just a nice good old boy approach. for whatever reason try den sy hasn't played well here on the air in indiana and probably a lot of reasons for that. some of it is that in general in politics here in indiana, strident sy doesn't play all that well. >> so that said, with what ted cruz has said today, against his, you know, opponent donald trump and donald trump quickly responding, you know, without that conservative radio voice, i
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know you have been on the radio today and nonpartisan show. >> yes. >> how's that sitting among hoosiers? >> well, i mean, i have not seen senator cruz's rant i guess would be the mildest term for it yet but i have heard about it. i was getting a lot of -- a lot of e-mail and facebook tweet messages over twitter messages while i was on the air. and, you know, predictably democrats in indiana seem to be thrilled because, you know, you have got the two leading candidates for the other party's nomination taking shots at each other and republicans here who are facing some tough challenges in terms of holding on to the governor's office and possibly u.s. senate seat are kind of shaking their heads and saying, what are we going to stop eating our own? >> shaking their heads be are they paying close attention? would this sway them or are
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their minds made up? >> i think by and large they're reconciled. most of the polls except for one outlier has donald trump significantly ahead of senator cruz and at least most of the republican leaders and, you know, the voices who are behind the leadership and the party are sort of making their peace with the idea that donald trump is going to be the party's nominee. >> interesting the way you say that, making the peace. you'll have a lot to talk about tomorrow, john krull. we have to go. no limits is his radio show, wfyi there in indiana. thank you so much. i appreciate the time. >> thank you. next here, we get to talk again to former republican presidential candidate jim gilmore joining me live. what does he think about the war of words between cruz and trump? does it complicate efforts to bring the republican party together? we'll talk to him. you're watching cnn.
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cycle former virginia governor jim gilmore was a contender for the nomination for president and figured he would go out for another party position, state party candidate in july. but guess what, he was shut out there, too. blaming back room politics. governor gilmore is back on the show. welcome back. >> thanks very much. blame is strong but that's what happened anyway. >> you tell me. is it blame? how are you feeling? i was reading you called it strong-arm tactics that kept you locked out. how would you explain what happened? >> that's what it was. look. traditionally you have statewide elects officials trying to draw the party together for unity to go against hillary clinton. than just being pushed out, this's probably not a very unifying thing to do. but don't worry about me. i'm going to be fine. the key question here is what can we do to pull the party together to defeat hillary
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clinton? >> hang on. who's doing the pushing? >> i don't understand. you mean -- >> how do you feel you were pushed out? >> well, it's perfectly obvious what happened. ted cruz came in, took the convention over with his leadership there and then just homogenized the ticket and cut off the potential leadership to go the other way. i think that's okay. but at the end of the day, i think there's a lot of wreckage left behind in order to try to get to a divisive convention. after today we will have our candidate an the time has come to move forward and defeat hillary clinton. that's most important thing for the united states. >> reading between the tea leaves we will have a candidate meaning who is that candidate, governor? >> i think it's pretty obvious in primary after primary after primary donald trump has won so take a look at the virginia situation. trump won the virginia delegates but yet in this past convention
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in harrisonburg, they got 80% of the votes if there's a second ballot. i think it's really not a unifying type of thing, not a unifying of the party. and, you know, my job, i've been asked to get the vote out and do the registration drives to carry virginia back into the republican column. and i think that that's where our focus has to be now unifying the party against hillary clinton. >> i want the move on and say i understand your frustration and the rules are rules and trump folks could have been a tad more creative, as well. let's leave that to the side. have you seen what senator cruz said today, governor? you know, i don't know, went on for ten or so minutes calling donald trump a narcissist, amoral, pathological liar, on and on and on. donald trump calling it ridiculous saying he doesn't have the temperament to be the next president of the united states. when's happening between the two grown men? >> i think we are getting near the end of the campaign and i
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think senator cruz's comments not constructive and not helpful. i think you take on people on policy. i myself have taken on the candidates on policy because i was trying to run a campaign that was based on the future of the country and i think that's where we should end up to beat the democrats in november. >> you know, the last time, governor gilmore, we had you on you used this analogy of a bridge to the presidency and you talked about alligators. here you were. >> that's right. >> the bridge to the presidency has been burned down. but on the other hand, hillary clinton so bad and, you know, if you talk about a bridge being burned down across the river, there's something down in the river and that's an alligator and it's called hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton is the alligator in this metaphor? >> yeah. we have to get across the river but the bridge is burned. >> so, depending on how, you know, trump does tonight, he may be the one crossing the bridge.
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can he rebuild the bridge or are you putting on your swimsuit? >> that's the point of the comments i've made. now's the time to pull the party together. the crass remarks of senator cruz are inappropriate, continues to divide things. that's the kind of wreckage that we left in virginia. that's the potential going forward here now. the time has come to recognize the reality of where these votes are going and get behind a positive program for the people of the united states particularly on national security and i was there for the trump national security speech. you know what? it was pretty good. so i think that the time has come to address those issues. >> jim gilmore, thank you, sir. talk again. >> thank you, brooke. coming up next, more on the comments from ted cruz today, including what he said about how trump treats women and more. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. why weigh yourself down?
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all right. hour two. cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. it's big day. cnn special coverage of indiana. let me try that again. take two. indiana primary on this tuesday. forgive me. and if the stakes not high enough for ted cruz, the presidential candidate made them skyrocket on the day hoosiers go to the polls because he unleashed on donald trump who has been on track to win indiana. a state that just a couple of weeks ago supposed to be ted cruz territory. cruz, he let loose in response to donald trump spreading tabloid headlines about cruz's father, he then rounded up his remarkable tirade by saying it is up to indiana voters to save the nation from, quote, the abyss. here he was. >> this morning, donald trump wept on national television and attacked my father. donald trump alleges that my dad
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was involved in assassinating jfk. now, let's be clear. this is nuts. this is not a reasonable position. this is just cooky. and while i'm at it i guess i should admit, yes, my dad killed jfk, he is elvis and jimmy hoffa is buried in his backyard. you know, donald's source for this is the national enquirer. the national enquirer is tabloid trash. but it's run by his good friend the ceo who's endorsed donald trump. and so the national enquirer has become his hit piece that he uses to smear anybody and everybody. and this is not the first time donald trump has used the national enquirer to go after my family. it was also the national enquirer that went after my wife heidi. that just spread lies, blatant
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lies. but i guess donald was dismayed because it was a couple of wrotes the enquirer wrote an idiotic story of jfk and donald was dismayed that the folks in the media weren't repeating this latest idiocy so he figured he would have to do it himself, he would have to go on national television and accuse my dad of that. listen, my father is my he are my whole life. when he came to america, he had nothing. he had $100 in his underwear. he made 50 cents a day washing dishes. i'm going to do something for those of you who have traveled with me, i'm going to tell you what i really think of donald trump. this man is a pathological liar. he doesn't know the difference between truth and lies. he lies practically every word that comes out of his mouth.
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and in a pattern that i think is straight out of a psychology textbook his response is to accuse everybody else of lying. he accuses everybody on that debate stage of lying. and it's simply a mindless yell. whatever he does he accuses everyone else of doing. the man cannot tell the truth but he combines it with being a narcissist. a narcissist at a level i don't think this country's ever seen. donald trump is such a narcissist that barack obama looks at him and goes, dude, when's -- what's your problem? everything in donald's world is about donald. and he combines being a pathological liar and i say pathological because i think donald if you hooked him up to a lie detector test he could say one thing in the morning, one thing at noon and one thing in
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the evening all contradictory and he'd pass the lie detector test each time. whatever lie he's telling at that minute he believes it. but the man is utterly amoral. let me finish this please. the man is utterly amoral. morality does not exist for him. it's why he went after heidi directly and smeared my wife. attacked her. apparently she's not pretty enough for donald trump. i may be biassed but i think if he's making that allegation he is also legally blind. but donald is a bully. you know, we just visited with fifth graders. every one of us knew bullies in elementary school. bullies don't come from strength. bullies come from weakness. bullies come from a deep,
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yawni yawning cavern of insecurity. there's a reason donald builds giant buildings and puts his name on them everywhere he goes and i will say there are millions of people in this country who are angry. they're angry at washington. they're angry at politicians who have lied to them. i understand that anger. i share that anger. and donald is cynically exploiting that anger and he is lying to his supporters. donald will betray his supporters on every issue. if you care about immigration, donald is laughing at you. and he's telling the moneyed elites he doesn't believe what he's saying. that's what he told "the new york times." he will betray you on every issue across the board. and his strategy of being a bully in particular is directed
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as women. donald has a real problem with women. people who are insecure, people who are insecure about who they are, donald is terrified by strong women. he lashls out at them. remember, this is the same donald trump who last week here in indiana proudly touted the endorsement of mike tyson, a convicted rapist who served three years here in indiana for raping a 17-year-old girl and in donald's world he said mike tyson was a tough guy. i don't think rapists are tough guys. i spent a lot of years in law enforcement dealing with rapists. rapists are weak. they're cowards and they're bullies and anyone that thinks they're a tough guy, that reveals everything about donald trump's character. donald trump said bill clinton was targeted by unattractive women. you know what? i've been blessed to be surrounded by strong women my
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entire life. today's voting day here in indiana. the president of the united states has a bully pulpit unlike anybody else. the president of the united states affects our culture. i ask the people of indiana. think about the next five years. if this man were become president. think about the next five years, the boasting, the pathological lying, the picking up the national enquirer and accusing people of killing jfk. the bullying. think about your kids coming back and emulating this. for people in indiana who long for a day when we were nice to each other. when we treated people with
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respect. when we didn't engage in sleaze and lies and i would note one of the lies he engages in, listen. donald trump is a serial philanderer and he boasts about it. this is not a secret. he's proud of being a serial philanderer. i want everyone to think about your teenage kids. the president of the united states talks about how great it is to great adultery, how proud he is describes his battles with venereal disease as his own personal vietnam. that's a quote by the way on "the howard stern show." do you want to spend the next five years with your kids bragging about infidelity. what does he do? same projection just like a pathological liar he accuses everyone of lying. even though he boasts about infidelity he plants a lie about me and my family, accuses others of doing what he is doing.
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i'll tell you as the father of two young girls the idea of our daughters coming home andrepe repeatirepea repeating any word that man says horrifies me. that is not who america is. and i would say to the hoosier state, the entire country's depending on you. the entire country is looking to you right now. it is only indiana that can pull us back. it is only the good sense and good judgment of indiana that can pull us back. we are staring at the abyss. >> wanted to play all of that for you. you be did judge. let me ask add, donald trump responded to that, called all of that ridiculous. said that ted cruz's temperament makes him, you know, shouldn't be president because of that. hear his full statement next and
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that's how i own it. welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. if you're just joining us, donald trump went after ted cruz's father today and then ted cruz ripped apart donald trump in a way we have yet to see him before and calling him a liar, amoral, serial philanderer, narcissist and now the response of the trump campaign in full. here we go. ted cruz is a desperate candidate trying to save a failing campaign. it is no surprise he resorted to the usual tactics of over the top rhetoric that nobody believes.
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over the last week i watched lying ted become more and more unhinged as he's unable to react under the pressure and stress of losing in all cases by landslides the last six primary elections. in fact, coming in last place in all but one of them. today's ridiculous outburst only proves what i have been saying for a long time. that ted cruz does not have the temperament to be president of the united states. we need a big conversation about this. house editor and analyst of the political report and written indiana may be #never trump's last stamp. scotty hughes at right alerts.com supporting donald trump and also with us, ryan williams, national press secretary for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. welcome to all of you. happy indiana primary tuesday. and right out of the gate, scotty, to you. as the trump supporter, your
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reaction to this unleashing from senator cruz? >> well, once again, welcome to meltdown presidential candidate part 4. we saw it happen with marco rubio with his pants comments. we saw it with jeb bush. it is -- this is now just proves that mr. trump has a strategy. he analyzed senator cruz, watched him and realized he needed to say something that would show voters exactly how unhinged, how desperate senator ted cruz is. it was a rant that backfired and i can tell you voters of indiana probably watched and went, wow, that is not the ted cruz we have seen. he's not as complete and peaceful and in control as he is and i promise you this is the cruz's last stand that won't work. >> let's follow up, though. why is it then sort of acceptable by some for trump to over and over call senator cruz lying ted but that seems to be okay but hearing ted cruz call donald trump a pathological liar
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is not? >> well, because, it's the truth is in the pudding. lying ted is a long-term point made several times about that senator cruz and the campaign has done. when senator cruz says that donald trump is lying, what is he lying about? you want to bring up the jfk comments? he never said that ted cruz's father was a part of it. he pointed out that story that was printed in the press circulating among the media. he pointed out something, he didn't say he believed or agreed with it. >> it was the tabloid report. >> but he didn't say he agreed with hit or believed in it. >> brought it up. >> he wanted to show -- you look at indiana and iowa. the voters are about the same demographic, the same makeup. he had to show the voters of indiana the type of temperament that senator cruz was and not a peaceful, wonderful, calmer holier than now christian trying to portray. he had to show him who he was and that's what we saw today. >> ryan, from what i understand
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you might agree a bit in scottie saying cruz took trump's tabloid bait and this is not the way you want to close a primary. >> well, i think what trump did is sleazy and ridiculous for a ridiculous national enquirer story of ted cruz's father and the kennedy assz nation. that is pretty bad and gutter politics at the worst. i think that the cruz reaction is not the best thing to do. i don't think this is the best thing playing on tv all day, the final hours before the polls close in indiana and i think ted cruz took the bait and trump is completely unpresidential, citing stories of the kennedy assassination. it is beyond the pale. >> but it worked. >> well, hang on, because i don't have my note but off the top of my head we managed to, you know, one sense, the fact that trump used this tabloid story and that cruz reacted to that, cruz brought up, you know, the fact that he was on howard
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stern's radio show. i want to say it was like 19 years ago talking about -- try to do this with a straight face. venereal disease. we found the clip. roll it. >> getting back to dating, right? when you have to say go to my personal doctor and have you checked out? is that a tough thing to say to a woman? you have the balls to say it? >> it is amazing. i can't believe it. i'm so lucky in terms of that whole world because -- >> never gotten a social disease. >> it is a dangerous world out there. like vietnam. >> it is. your personal vietnam. >> my personal vietnam. a brave soldier. >> a lot of guys in vietnam came out unscathed and guys in '80s came out with aids and different things. >> survived vietnam. >> this is better than vietnam. >> a little bitter. every vagina is a land mine. >> okay. let me just cut through this. david, the question is, why would ted cruz then feel the need to go back to some, you
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know, howard stern interview from 19 years ago? to attack. >> desperation. brooke, it's possible we're all overthinking this. we wonder out loud why does -- why does ted cruz suffer when donald trump promulgating the conspiracy theories and falsehoods? voters won't believe things that politicians say these days and donald trump is not a politician. surrounded with basketball coaches while ted cruz surrounding himself with carly fiorina and mike pence who let's face it are well liked and at the end of the day politicians and so the only question tonight is whether donald trump wins all 57 delegates and the odds are he will. >> let's also remember a couple of months ago when there was a bit of a bro-mance. i remember the two donald trump and senator cruz on capitol hill, you know, fighting on this one issue together and so let's just remember how they've gone from a bromance to brawling. roll it. >> ted cruz is a friend of mine
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and a good guy. >> big fan of donald trump's. i think donald trump is bringing a bold, brash voice to this presidential race. >> well, it is a little bit of a romance. i like him. he likes me. he's backed me 100%. >> donald trump is a friend of mine. i like and respect donald. many of the other republican candidates used this opportunity to take a stick and smack donald trump. i ain't going to do it. >> scotie, when's happened? it's fair to ask both sides this. is this a bit of, you know, two faceness? the fact that they obviously felt so fondly for one another, mere months ago, and now they're calling each other liars. >> well, no. i don't think it's two faceness. remember, senator cruz rose to the top of the politicians of the 17 field that we originally started with because he was aligning himself in a lot of ways with mr. trump. when senator ted cruz started to fall down and not go above is starting to criticize and go against mr. trump and the reason being is that the conservative
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base split between the two of them. now all that mr. trump did, didn't attack senator cruz first. he went on the defense when senator cruz decided that somebody ill advised him smart for him to start going after donald trump. and like every other candidate after mr. trump, we see ultimately they lose and they have a meltdown and it is not good for our party. instead of having 20-minute rants like from senator cruz today, take a listen of bernie sanders. be classy. try to sit there and think of the overall party when you realize you yourself do not have a chance to have the nomination. >> david, final question to you. just with regard to indiana. do you think indianans care about everything we're talking about? are they parsing the words as we all? don't you think they have made their minds up? >> indianans made a decision if not, you know, months ago then in the last few weeks and nothing ted cruz says is likely to change that. look. even if ted cruz were to pull off a miracle in indiana, donald
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trump has larger leads in new jersey and california and those states alone have almost enough delegates for donald trump to clinch the nomination and the question at this point is not whether trump gets to 1,237 but 1,400. >> ryan, if -- listen. we don't know how well trump may do well tonight. ultimately, let's say it is trump who is the party's nominee. how does he unify the party? >> i think he will have to start acting presidential. i'm not very confident he can do that. he said the campaign said a number of times to change the attitude, reel himself in, not making the out ray you comments over the last several months and then reverts back to the past. he needs to act more like a presidential candidate, someone who people envision serving in the oval office to unite the party. i'm not confident he'll do that. >> thank you all. tonight is the night. it is indiana. all eyes on indiana and the polls, of course, open for the next couple of hours.
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next, ted cruz. didn't only have donald trump in the cross hairs today and also going after fox news blaming the network for trump's rise. we'll discuss whether that tact could backfire with voters in indiana. ♪ the sun'll come out tomorrow... ♪
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on this indiana primary day, we have now seen senator ted cruz going off like you haven't seen him before, not only ripping into donald trump but also blasting fox news accusing top executives of rallying behind the republican
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front-runner and pushing the narrative that senator cruz cannot win the party nomination. here he was. >> there is a broader dynamic at work which is network executives have made a decision to get behind donald trump. rupert murdoch and roger ales at fox news turned fox news into the donald trump network. 24/7. murdoch is used to picking world lead earls in australia and the united kingdom, running tabloids. and we're seeing it here at home. the consequences for this nation. media executives are trying to convince hoosiers, americans, the race is decided. you have to no choice. you are stuck between donald trump or hillary clinton. either one of which is a horrific choice for this country. >> let's talk about this with cnn's senior reporter of media and politics, dylan beyers.
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watching him today, that attack seemed personal. >> yeah, it is personal. and it's an interesting target, of course, because it's not the mainstream media or "new york times," "washington post," cnn. it's fox news and it's roger ales and rupert murdoch but ted cruz is going for broke trying to convince indiana voters they have been sold a bill of goods and a person selling them is fox news network. i think what he is trying to tap into there is, you know, there are a lot of -- we tend to think of fox news as a home for republicans and conservatives but, of course, there are many conservatives out there who view fox news as the voice of the republican establishment. he's trying to sort of convince those voters who may still be on the finance in the final hours that, you know, fox news, donald trump despite the bickering over the last nine or ten months are in collusion and if they want a true outsider, a real
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conservative who represents their interests and not a pathological liar, as ted cruz referred to donald trump, then they need to go with him. it is really a last ditch effort. >> i'm not so sure, you know, that will change hoosiers' minds, talking to folks in indiana today the last couple of hours. do you think, though, attacking fox news could really hurt senator cruz in the long run? >> well, in the long run, sure. short run, again, he doesn't have a choice. but in the long run, yeah. it could prove very problematic. think about what happens if ted cruz doesn't get the nomination and looking increasingly likely. fox news is around come 2017 and beyond. ted cruz has already cast himself as the outsider, as the sort of anti-establishment republican. but, you know, going forward, fox news is a very powerful platform in the republican party and if he wants to have any beverage with them whatsoever he might have just burned that bridge and perhaps won't be
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repaired. >> thank you. >> thank you. he was running for the nomination once and now bibby jindal says the party has a chance to win voters back from donald trump. we'll ask him if ted cruz is on the right track when governor jindal joins me live next. we are the world's connectivity company. we are business & entertainment & innovation. we are at&t. we're mobilizing the world like never before. that's the power of &.
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welcome back. it is primary day in the great state of indiana. and what everybody's talking about. ted cruz in a withering attack on donald trump laying into the republican front-runner with his most personal and toughest criticism yet. >> donald is a bully.
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you know, we just visited with fifth graders. every one of us knew bullies in elementary school. bullies don't come from strength. bullies come from weakness. bullies come from a deep, yawning cavern of insecurity. there is a reason donald builds giant buildings and puts his name on them everywhere he goes. and i will say there are millions of people in this country who are angry, angry at washington, angry at politicians who have lied to them. he's not going to build a wall. that's what he told "the new york times." he'll betray you on every issue across the board. >> with me now, bobby jindal, former republican presidential candidate, governor of louisiana. nice to have you back.
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>> thank you. it's great to be back on the air with you. >> let me just remind everyone, once we heard from ted cruz, we did get a response from donald trump. responding to what we just played you. the last part, let's just read from mr. trump's camp. the outburst what i have been saying far long time. that ted cruz does not have the temperament to be president of the united states. governor jindal, how would you describe what's happening between these two adult men? >> well, brooke, well, i think you're kind to say adult. i think a lot of voters probably du disgusted by both outbursts and thinking why aren't there other choices? i was the first candidate to go after donald trump last september when a lot of people weren't taking seriously. >> i remember. >> ironic ted cruz is one of the -- i used very strong language, stronger than i'm accustomed to using. his appearance, demeanor, everything i could say. i was worried about the rise of
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donald trump. i think it's ironic ted cruz was one of the last people to continue to embrace him, defend him as recently as december saying positive things about donald trump. so i think it's ironic he's now the last candidate to actually go after donald trump now that donald trump stands between him and the nomination. you know, look. i think voters looking at both these men listening to the outbursts thinking these are important times and why aren't peek talking about the issues we're watching? >> you were forceful and then out in november. and then i think about marco rubio who i know you had previously endorsed and it was the very end for him before the florida primary when making comments about, you know, pant wetting and hand size and he even later said, i embarrassed my own kids using this language and then a mistake and then he was out. do you think ted cruz is digging his grave here? >> look. i think it's likely -- this election could be, the
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nomination contest could be all but over by tonight. i think it's more and more likely donald trump will be the nominee and an important lesson for conservatives here. donald trump's no conservative and i think that's actually one of the reasons, brooke, he is doing so well. we conservatives have to go back and do a better job of explaining our beliefs and principles to the voters. i think donald trump is tapped into the an kities when conservatives say they're for limited government, entitlement reform, free trade. donald trump is not for those things and doing well in part because voters are responding to what he's saying. he'll fight thfor them. i don't think donald trump will do a lot of things he said he's going to do but i think he did -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. what makes you think that? >> well, look. i don't think he's a conservative at heart. he's been for big government. he's been for, for example, a government takeover of health care and then against it. the reality is i don't think he's opposed to big government
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and wants to be the one running big government. i do think he'll be better than hillary clinton. i don't think it's a great set of choices. i think there's 0% chance that hillary clinton puts a conservative on the supreme court. i'm not here telling you 100% donald trump would but at least there's a chance and so, look, i think that a lot of the criticisms that marco rubio made and ted cruz and i made about donald trump are true and i think he's done a good job understanding that voters haven't seen the incomes go up, worried about immigration, america's standing on the world stage, left behind by the elites in d.c. and mad at the republican leadership's policies. he's done a good job of understanding that we conservatives have to do a better job explaining the middle class. i think he's done a good job exploiting that vacuum. >> i read your opinion piece of a couple of days ago on cnn.com. you're not a big fan of donald
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trump but i bet you respect jon huntsman of utah and said recently. we have had enough interparty fighting. now we need to stitch together a winning coalition and clear that donald trump can asum theible a nontraditional bloc of supporters, cutting boundaries like '92, '90 and 2008 and do you agree? >> three things. i have a tremendous amount of respect for governor huntsman. you are right. secondly, i think donald trump has a hardest time beating hillary of all the republican candidate that is ran for president. having said that, third, however, if he is the nominee i will be voting for him and supporting him. >> you will? >> because i think there are too many important issues. i think there's a chance to get rid of obamacare and 0% chance that hillary clinton would do that. so yes. if it comes down to a binary choice of donald trump, i'm supporting the party's nominee. not happy about it. i don't think he's the best
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qualified or most likely to be successful but i would vote for him over hillary clinton. >> okay. final question. you know, governor jindal, you have gone through the process of assessing your campaign. you know, deciding to end it. if ted cruz loses today in indiana, what advice would you have for him about assessing the state of the campaign and come to a decision, whether or not he has a viable path forward or not? >> well, look. i'm a big fan of letting the voters decide. i don't think it's for me or the party or a media to tell a candidate to get out -- >> i'm not saying me. how would you as a governor and someone that wanted to be president. you're in a position to give advice. >> look. sure, no. it was a tough decision to get out. i didn't see it was my time. i spent my time presenting detailed policy papers. this is not a cycle where that's maybe the best way to win an election. but look. at the end of the day whether he stays in or drops out, i think
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that's a decision only he can make. my advice is do what he thinks is best. and i'll respect either decision. i'm not one that says, you know, regardless of today's outcomes, i do think it's more and more likely donald trump is my party's nominee and ted cruz has every right to take it through the process, every right to do that. the more that people tell candidates that they should drop out, that's -- >> reverse effect. >> stay in. that's right. >> interesting. governor jindal, thank you for the time, as always. come back. >> thank you, brooke. i look forward to it. >> thank you. the results today in indiana could as we were just discussing seal the deal for donald trump. on the democratic side, though, bernie sanders, he is hoping he can win, hoping he can remain viable moving forward. we'll talk to mr. david chalian, cnn political director joining us live with what he'll be watching for this evening. ♪
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i'm going to tell you what i really think of donald trump. this man is a pathological liar. a narcissist at a level i don't
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think this country's ever seen. his response is to accuse everybody else of lying. >> ah, the storyline in indiana today. cnn political director david chal i don't knian with us from. we like to talk about what you're looking for, looking into the evening. starting with, when's your number one? >> starting with cruz's speech. after that performance that you just played right there and that amazing gaggle with reporters when he really teed off on trump i'm curious to see what tone and what he has to say tonight after the results are in. sunlen reporting the teleprompter are up. i'm sure he wants to paint the path forward and what i'm looking for tonight. second item, trump's total. how sweeping of a victory if it is a victory is it for trump in indiana? does he clean sweep all 57 delegates? if so, that is going to put cruz in a very difficult position
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tonight so i'm looking to see what trump's total of the delegate take is. democratic super delegates, this is key now. the pledge delegate race is basically over. bernie sanders cannot overtake hillary clinton in that race. but among super delegates this is the audience bernie sanders is now talking to. he said, please, if you're committed to hillary clinton but i won your state, please come over to my campaign. if he wins indiana tonight, do we see any public movement from any super delegate to go from clinton to sanders to indicate that his argument is having an effect? i doubt it, but i'm on the lookout for it. finally, biggest thing, probably clinton versus trump. the general election is likely set after tonight's results in many ways. looking at how donald trump uses his remarks tonight to frame that race, what he wants to say about hillary clinton, what he
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wants to say about his positioning from now through november will be very, very key to watch tonight. hillary clinton is not holding an event tonight, as you know, but donald trump is, and i have a feeling he's going to be shaping a general election message tonight. >> listening for trump, as he mentioned cruz, clinton? as you pointed out, has something deliberate to say, senator cruz with teleprompters. we'll be watching. thank you o on indiana primary tuesday. next, i want to pivot and talk about detroit. look at these pictures. all teachers in the stand-off with school district for two days now. massive teacher sick-outs, canceled classes. president of a powerful national's teachers union joins me live.
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to michigan, the crisis in the detroit school system, it's boiling over. nearly the entire district is shut down again, all the preschools are closed because hundreds of teachers called off sick because of dispute over their pay for a second day in a row. teachers protested possibility they won't get paid past the end of june, because the district is about to run out of money. union leaders demanding city and state audits, they want to know, where is the money? >> right now talking about teachers not being paid for hours that they worked. but the bigger picture for detroit public schools. we've been talking about this issue throughout this last year. we want to have a quality school system and our children deserve to have that. >> when i say the district needs to get control of finances, this goes back to not just this year, but previous years of emergency management. there's no cohesion here. and that's a grave concern to our membership and to the general public.
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>> you saw her there, she met with the mayor as well, randy winegarthen. we have talked many times before. you find yourself in the thick of this, trying to help out. where does everything stand right now? >> well, isn't it -- it's ironic, brooke, today is teacher appreciation day. the proeesident of the united states is doing a reception now, including a teacher from detroit, honoring teachers and we have a situation in detroit where the school system basically we hard a rumor this weekend they were not going to pay people past the work done on april 28th. so what's happened is that we were effectively locked out for the last couple of days, and we have left no stone unturned today to try to find a solution to make sure that, you know, we
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can get back to school. but at the end of the day, people are entitled in america, that if they work, they get paid for that work. and that sends a very strong message, if you don't want to do that. and that's what's happened in the last couple of days. >> you know, you do this for the kids. this is about the kids. i know that the detroit union president said the parents, they get it they understand what's going on but not all parents do. head of the detroit parents network called it disturb, said students aren't get wag they need. you have child care issues with kids not in school, unsupervised kids at home. what happen do you say, randi, to those parents. >> look, that's why we have done everything we could today and yesterday to find a solution. but at the end of the day, every person in america that works would say that we need to get paid for that work and
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ultimately most employers, if they were actually going to lock you out would have the -- tell the world that they were closing up shop. this was even worse because they were saying to parents, no, there's not a problem and saying to teachers, of course, there's a problem. so at the end of the day, we understand what parents are doing and saying and we were actually making -- we are making contingency plans for tomorrow to find churches and other places where we could teach if this goes on. but most importantly, the bottom line is, it's not american to actually ask people to work and not pay them. it's, frankly, wedge theft and that's what was going on here, and takes just unacceptable. >> i appreciate your passion. let's stay in touch. hopefully this can get worked out as soon as possible. >> we're trying everything. >> i believe you. randi, thank you, in detroit, michigan. thank you for being with me on
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this primary day in indiana. a lot to talk about. polls are still open for the next couple of hours. send things to washington now. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. ted cruz is letting loose after donald trump links cruz's father to the kennedy assassination. cruz calling trump narcissistic, a pathological liar and a serial philanderer. a special election day edition of "the lead" begins right now. good afternoon, welcome to a special edition of thfrp. i'm jake tapper. what a day it has been. just two hours of polls closing in indiana and the stakes could not be higher in the republican race for the presidential nomination. if ted cruz and anti-trump forces cannot stopmp

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