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republicans, they're mad and hurting, the message from the democrats, they're mad and hurting, she can get there exhibit but this should not be a moment of happiness for liberals. >> this is what we're going to learn this year. in previous cycles for republicans we have learned that we cannot win without the base and we have a couple of candidates that did not excite the base. now we're going to learn if we can't win without the establishment, without mod rates and independents. if we can win with only the base. that's what we're going to learn through trump. >> i want to bring in mark preston. we're hearing now from the rnc. >> we are. there's been a lot of talk about what's going to happen next with john kasich saying he's going to stay in, but the republican national committee said they expect donald trump to be the republican nominee. they tweeted it right there. if you look at that donald trump will be the presumptive nominee. we will all need to unite and
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focus on defeating hillary clinton. this comes as the republican committee are trying to get their convention together in cleveland. all of that will shift to donald trump being the presumptive nominee in july in cleveland. >> kasich will be the anti-establishment candidate. >> i think that kasich people understand that they're not going to win this nomination. i've been e-mail with somebody who said that they're staying in, too much to fight for, the soul of the gop and america. i think it's a crusade for kasich at this point. it's not a campaign anymore. i think he wants to continue to get the attention that he's been getting. >> does he have money to continue? >> that's a big question. i mean he's got a lot of loyal money people, but loyalty is tested at a time like this and i think he'll continue to use free media as much as he can and we'll see how this -- >> i think that's coming from the west coast tonight because
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california finally thought they had a year that they would matter on june the 7th. unfortunately that's not the way it's going to be. >> does donald trump -- the gop just talked about the -- the rnc talked about bringing the party together. how does donald trump try to start to do that? does he make that one of his missions or does he just by going after hillary clinton hope that or think that brings the party together. >> i think he'll -- we'll see if there is a unity message. again never predict what donald trump will do, but i think what he's going to prove to republicans is that he can win because republicans -- >> you have to unite -- >> republicans don't believe he can win and he's got to show them i've got the arguments to make against her, i can do it and i can put michigan, ohio and pennsylvania in play. >> here's the deal. the republican party is incoherent right now. you have part of the party that is a pro-trade, pro-immigration
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party they've lost and you have donald trump that represents the pop list wing of the party and he's won. the evangelicals are floating out there. it's going to take an extraordinary set of skills to bring that all together as a unified party. i think it's hard to do. >> i would be worried if i were trump about some of the heads of the party, a mitt romney type. not only keeping their powder dry, but going so far as to embrace hillary clinton. i think there's a real prospect here that some big names within the republican party are going to say i can't stomach this guy. >> not just the big name people. we have some main street republicans just ordinary people who will tell me i feel more comfortable with a hillary clinton than a donald trump. at the same time you have people who are bernie sanders who say -- i think another thing we have to look out for is this conventional wisdom that says
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the democrats are going to come together and trump is not electable. they point to 2008. 2008 was different for democrats. the young rebels won and the establishment saw reason and came around. this time the establishment in our party is going to win and you want the young rebels to come around within it may be harder for those young rebels. we have less important, but significant problems in our party as well. >> it didn't happen by accident. it happened because barack and hillary clinton worked hard at it. bernie sanders attacked hillary clinton. he raised important issues. income inequality and wall street reform. he did not go after hillary. i would be surprised if hillary goes after senator sanders tonight. they are working it. >> i don't understand exactly why he introduced walmart so prominently into his remarks she having famously served on the walmart board at some point. every time i raise this every week you say no it was okay.
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>> you're not defending sanders and you're criticizing -- >> i thought that was sort of -- >> it's knonot accusing her fat of come ms.ty in the kennedy assassination. >> that would have been over the line. >> i'm saying that i agree with you 100%. it will take tremendous leadsership skills at the top of the republican party to figure out how to square this circle. it will take tremendous political skills in the democratic party. this is rebellion based on pain and frustration and the sense that people have written off a section of the country. >> the one advantage the democrats have is a president that's very popular with his own party and i think that's going to be a big force in uniting democrats. >> one thing we haven't heard tonight which we've heard in the past on the republican side is the third-party option, the branching off option and there's an interesting editorial today in the wall street journal which
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has been no fan of donald trump which said don't do it. don't do it. their point being that we have to leave it up to trump so see if he can win or loses and if he loses we reconstitute the republican party and it's his fault. it's not an optimistic message, but you hear -- you don't hear the talk of somebody else is going to run. >> it's good for people who preach party unity and this has happened often enough establishment folks and then they lose and then they're not so much more party unity and they will endorse another candidate sf t candidate. >> if the reason we have trump is because so many establishment republicans weren't listening to people, keep on not listening to them and fois some other candidate. i think that would be a huge mistake. >> let's bring jake into the conversation. >> anderson, i just was thinking about the fact that louisiana
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governor who was one of the first candidates running against trump to really go after him and suggest that he would be nervous about donald trump having his finger on the nuclear codes, bobby jindal today said he would vote for donald trump because anything is better than hillary clinton. we heard marco rubio make similar remarks. i wonder if the big -- you touched on this a little bit, but i wonder how much the republicans on the panel and the others feel that at the end of the day opposition to hillary clinton, who also has very high negatives, especially among republicans and independents, although not as high as donald trump's negatives are when it comes to the general electorate, that opposition might be enough to bring donald trump across the finish line assuming that they are both the nominees and also whether or not there is this mysterious secret sauce he has where he has been able to generate excitement. he clearly in these rallies has been on to something drawing
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millions of voters into the process. who knows what's going to happen. a know a lot of republican officials think this is a disaster for the republican party, maybe it isn't and maybe whatever special element he brings will be enough. >> hillary clinton gets the endorsement of a lot of union leaders, but i wonder if some of those people will go for donald trump. >> i had mary henry on months ago and she said she was shocked to hear -- they're seen as a progressive union. her own union members there was a trump group within that. having said that i think he would have to make enormous inroads to overcome some of the obstacles he has with women and hispanics and college educated republicans many of whom have not voted for him. i know he's made inroads for him but there's a real opposition to
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him within the republican establishment. >> you don't think to jake's point the view toward hillary clinton is enough to bring those people. >> that will be the question. you have two candidates with very high negatives and it's going to create the physics of this has never been seen before. >> it's not just negatives with the electorate generally. we've spoken here about the negatives that donald trump has within the republican party. i think it needs to be stated that hillary clinton on so many of these exit surveys has been on the 30% range on the dishonest and trustworthy issue with democrats. >> he polls -- donald trump polls as badly -- hillary clinton polls as badly with menace donald trump does with women. >> right. he would have to win like 60, 70% of men. >> you're going to see the goun
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in the conservative universe, the talk radio folks, i have no idea what's happening with glenn beck, but i would imagine there's this official understanding here that donald trump is the presumptive nominee and the only one left is kasich and the rnc is saying he's the guy that you will start to see perhaps rush limbaugh, you will start to see this come out and what they'll do is they'll turn their fire on hillary. >> they'll remember how much they hate hillary. they'll remember that the enemy isn't obama anymore. the enemy is hillary clinton and that will bring a lot of republicans over to trump i'm sure. >> it will, but republicans alone can't win the election. he's going to have a hard time just getting all the republicans. for example, married women, they are republicans. mitt romney won married women by 7 points. he had a decisive win with married women. hillary is winning married women
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by 12 points. she can lose them by six and still do better than obama who won. >> as a married women i can tell you his message does not resonate with me and i am right in his wheelhouse. >> it's not enough to go to them and say i hate hillary and she's evil and awful. he has to find ways to reach out. contrast that with hillary clinton. she's going to reach out to the sanders voters. she's going to reach out to those folks. >> does she recalibrate tonight now that trump is the presumptive nominee. >> i think she's already known it. she has to reach out to senator sanders and his family and those voters. so respect to his candidacy and respect to those voters but then turn the fire on trump. >> is hillary clinton in brooklyn tonight happy with the fact that it's donald trump? no, i don't think she celebrates it until she takes the hand off the bible and says so help me god. >> you don't think they're popping champagne corks.
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>> you cannot watch what happened in the last year and think this is going to be easy. >> they're looking at what happened in the republican primary process and they're studying what all these other candidates did and how they fell one by one starting with rick perry. they're looking at the attacks on trump and they're looking at what failed and what worked to a small degree and one thing that i was talking to a hillary clinton person is that they believe it started way too late. so this campaign is not going to be for the faint of heart because it will start tonight. it will start tonight. >> yeah. >> and in these races you can see some of that happening. there was a web ad out of an arkansas senate race where the democratic candidate basically just ran an ad of donald trump saying awful things about women's fis eek and women's faces and i think they're floating and starting trial balloons to see if this works.
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>> the problem for hillary clinton on this is there are women out there who have very strong views about her and i'm talking about the ones who are going to come forward and talk about this and we'll go down that path again and i i don't think donald trump is going to shrink from going down that path. >> trump will be behind that. the dress, the women, he'll go places that most other candidates would kind of leave to -- >> this is right. >> she's a victim in that. >> there's no doubt in my mind that he has one gear on his shift and it's straight ahead and that's what he's going to do. if she's sitting there tonight one thing that she knows for sure this is not going to be pleasant. >> if the democrats are saved it will be saved -- it will be saved by african-american women. >> and latinos.
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>> we have a projection to make. >> we've go the the projection. bernie sanders, bernie sanders is the winner of the democratic presidential primary in indiana. cnn now projects he beats hillary clinton, wins the indiana democratic primary. we've been looking at the hard numbers coming in. based on the information we have right now he is ahead. bernie sanders is the winner of the democratic presidential nomination. there is donald trump. he's walking into the room there at trump tower in new york about to deliver his speech. he has his family there with him. this is going to be an important speech. we're going to see what he has to say. anderson. >> as we wait for donald trump, again you see his wife melania there, his daughter ivanka, let's listen in to donald trump and see how he speaks tonight.
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[cheers and applause] thank you very much everyone. i want to start by as always thanking my family, my wife melan melania, my kids, they're not kids anymore, but they're kids as far as i'm concerned. they'll always be my kids and i want to thank my great parents who are looking down right now and my brother looking down on us. i want to thank my entire family, including mary an, elizabeth and robert. it's been some unbelievable day and evening and year and i never have been through anything like this, but it's a beautiful thing to watch and a beautiful thing to behold and we're going to make america great again. we're going to make america great. [cheers and applause] so important the people of
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indiana have been incredible. i started as you know not very long ago about six weeks ago and i was told i had a 20 point deficit and i went there and i worked very hard and i campaigned and i made lots of speeches and met lots of incredible people, incredible people. you don't get better. and the crowds got bigger and bigger and toward the end it was like i didn't want to leave. i almost said maybe i'll just never leave. and it resonated somehow and we had a tremendous victory tonight. it was a tremendous victory. and i have to thank bobby knight. bobby knight was incredible. [cheers and applause] i always say about people like that, there aren't many, but it's called tough, smart and they know how to win and that's what our country needs.
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we need to win again. we have to know how to win and we haven't won. we lose all the time. we lose with our military and we can't beat isis and we lose with trade and we lose with boarders. we lose with everything. we're not going to lose. we're going to start winning again and we're going to win big, believe me. [cheers and applause] so when i got back tonight and i started watching all of the different networks, i could see immediately that we were doing very well and it really looks like a massive victory and it looks like we win all 57 delegates. [cheers and applause] and i must say in staying in various places in indiana, we had -- i turned on the television and all i sea waw wa
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negative ads and i saw one after another after another and i said how can we win. it was the same in florida. there's been 60,000 negative ads. two weeks ago it was 55,000. now it's 60,000 negative ads, most of which are absolutely false and disgusting and i said how can anybody endure this? i had one evening two nights ago where literally they had five ads on in between segments of a show that i was watching and i said that's just incredible. and the people are so smart they don't buy it. they get it and tremendous -- [cheers and applause] tremendous amounts of money were sme spent. millions and millions of dollars. they think it was probably
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$8 million were spent against me and we spent $900,000. so to me that's the way it's supposed to be. that's something that makes me feel really, really very good. and now we're going to nebraska where i have -- i hear we're doing really wonderfully. i look forward to that very much and west virginia and we're going to get those miners back to work. i'll tell you why. we're gonna get those miners back to work. [cheers and applause] we're not going to be hillary clinton and i watched her three or four weeks ago when she was talking about the miners as if they were just numbers and she was talking about she wants the mines closed and she will never let them work again. let me tell you the miners in west virginia and pennsylvania, which was so great to me last week and ohio and all over, they're going to start to work again, believe me. you're going to be proud again to be miners.
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[cheers and applause] so we'll be going there. i must say this tremendous run that we've had started with new york when we had almost 62% and don't forget that's with three people. so 62% with two people is a massive landslide, but 63% almost just a little over 62%, when you have that kind of a number with three people it's actually unheard of. and all throughout it was 17 people and then 15 and then 12 and then it's tremendous and we were getting very high numbers. some of the numbers in my opinion that i got in the early stages where when a state with 3 32%, but there were 14 people, i think that might be better than 62% in new york, but we never got credit for that but now we don't know the credit because we're going after hillary
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clinton. she will not -- [cheers and applause] she will not be a great president. she will not be a good president. she will be a poor president. she doesn't understand trade. her husband signed perhaps in the history of the world the single worst trade deal ever done. it's called nafta. and i was witness to the carnage over the last six weeks especially. i've known syracuse and i've known maryland and the people are incredible and all of the different states, connecticut, and i've witnessed what it's done really firsthand and it has been indeed carnage. we're going to change it around. we're not going to let carrier and all of these companies just
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think that they can move and go to another country and make the product and sell it back to us and we get only one thing, we get unemployment. not going to happen anymore more, folks. not going to happen anymore. [cheers and applause] we're going to bring back our jobs and we're going to keep our jobs. we're not going to let companies leave. if they want to go do a different state, good luck. compete. but when they start going to different countries and in many cases countries that devalue their currency and make it impossible for our companies to compete, that's not going to happen. not going to happen. if they want to do it anyway, there will be consequences and there will be very, very serious consequences. [cheers and applause] i have to tell you that i've competed my life.
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competitive person. all my life i've been in competitions, different competitions, whether it's sports or business or now for ten months politics and i have to tell you that i have met some of the most incredible competitors that i have ever competed against right here on the republican party. we started off with that 17 number and just so you understand ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or if he doesn't like me, but he is one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, smart guy. and he has got an amazing future. he's got an amazing future. so i want to congratulate ted. i know how tough it is. it's tough. it's tough. i've had some moments where it was not looking so good and it's not a great feeling and so i
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understand how ted feels and heidi and their whole beautiful family. and i want to just say, though, that one tough competitor. and i can say that for -- [cheers and applause] i can say that for the others. chris christie who endorsed me, incredible guy. dr. ben carson who was right up there, one of the first, he just called me and said it's a movement you've got going. wra we've got to do something because i tell you what, it's an incredible movement and dr. ben carson endosrsed me and that's n incredible and we want to keep him totally involved because we're going to win. we're going to win in november. [cheers and applause] and we're going to win big and it's going to be america first. i made a speech the other day
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and i talked about how we're the policeman for the world and we protect other countries and they don't respect us and they don't take care of us and they don't treat us right in many cases and that's not going to happen. we can keep things going and we can keep things going very nicely, but we own $21 trillion and we're just not in the position that we were in 30 years ago or 40 or 50 years ago when these things took place. so we're going to have unbelievably good relationships with other countries, but likewise they have to treat us fairly and they have to understand that what we've been doing over the years has been so wrong and so unfair to the united states and to its people and to its taxpayers. so that will change and i will tell you, they're going to end up liking us better than they do right now. they're going to respect us. in this building right
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upstairs -- [cheers and applause] in this building right upstairs i have the largest bank in the world from china. the relationship is fantastic. we have great relationships with many foreign countries, but they have to respect us and they have to understand where we're coming from and you know what it is a two-way street and the two-way street means that we're going down one side and they're coming up the other and we're going to meet and we are going to have something that's going to be really fabulous. now, if that can't happen, if for some reason they want the system to continue the way it's going now, which is unfair and not good, where we're spending trillions and trillions of dollars, probably $4 trillion in the middle east and we have to rebuild our infrastructure and roads, airports, bridges and
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hospitals in this countries, we've become close it a third world country, you look at our airports it's third world and you go to other countries and you see places like you've never seen, so i have to say we are going to turn it around and build up our military better and stronger than ever before and we're going to have to take out isis and we're going to have to take them out fast. we can't allowed that to continue. we cannot allow it to continue. [cheers and applause] you know, one group that's been so incredible to me are the vets, the veterans and they have been treated so badly. so badly. [cheers and applause] and we're going to get that -- we're going to get that straightened out. now, one of the things that just happened which to me is very exciting, it happened now with two or three, but a poll came out yesterday and in that poll i'm now leading hillary clinton. i'm now leading hillary.
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trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! trump! >> and that's going to continue because they're not going to be able to do it folks. they're not going to be able to make great trade deals. they're not going to be able to do what we're going to do with the bearder, including the wall. we're going to have great relationships with the hispanics. the hispanics have been so incredible to me. they want jobs. everybody wants jobs. the african-americans want jobs within you look at what's going on, they want jobs. [cheers and applause] we're going to bring back our jobs and we're going to save our jobs and people are going to have great jobs again and this country which is very, very divided in so many different ways is going to become one
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beautiful loving country and we're going to love each other, we're going to cherish each other and take care of each other and we're we're going to have great economic development and we're not going to let other countries take it away from us because that's what's been happening for far too many years and we're not going to do it anymore. we're not going to do it anymore. [cheers and applause] i want to thank and congratulate the republican national committee and reince priebus who i just spoke to. he's doing a tremendous job. it's not an easy job when he had 17 eggos and now i guess he's down to one. i don't know, is there a second? is there a second? i don't know. [cheers and applause] i'm going to have to ask you folks to explain the status of that, but he's done an amazing
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job. i also want to thank my staff. what we've been doing has been incredible. the work -- [cheers and applause] the work has been unreal. and jared married to my daughter, jared is a very successful real estate person, but i think he likes politics more than he likes real estate and he's very good at politics. so again folks this has been an amazing evening. i didn't expect this. i didn't expect it and what ted did is really a brave thing do and great thing to do because we want to bring unity to the republican party. we have to bring unity. it's so much easier if we have it. [cheers and applause] and many many people are calling
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that you wouldn't even believe. the media and press, you wouldn't believe. people that have said the worst things about me, i've never had things said about me like this. in my businesses i've always been very respected, people didn't talk to me this way, but in politics it's easy, the worst things and they're calling now and they're calling us all and they're saying we'd love to get on the trump train, we'd love to get on the team. [cheers and applaus [cheers and applause] and i actually spoke to one today and who was vicious, this guy was unbelievable and i said i love having you and you know i think it's terrific, but after what you said about me how can you possibly join our team? he said mr. trump, don't even think about it don't worry about it there will be no problem. in other words, he's a politician. there's no problem. i would have had a hard time, but we have a lot of people
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coming on. lots of congressman. i have to thank senator jeff sessions, one of the most respected men or people in congress. [cheers and applause] and so many others. i mean sarah palin has been from day one unbelievable. [cheers and applause] jerry falwell junior is a special person. they've done an incredible job and everybody goes through liberty and somehow he liked what i was saying and perhaps he liked the way i said it but he's a special guy and he's helped me. so many pastors and ministers and tonight i see i won with evangelicals. the evangelical vote was for trump and there's no greater honor. we're going to work together for
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many, many years. we're going to make it so good. we're going to be saying merry christmas again and we're going to be saying it. [cheers and applause] i won with women. i love winning with women. [cheers and applause] but i won with women. i won with men. we won with hispanics. we won with african-americans. we won with every virtually every category so it's just been an amazing evening. so again, i want to congratulate ted cruz. he is a tough, smart competitor. i want to thank my wife and my family. it's an incredible family. [cheers and applause] i want to thank my staff, both my staff and my thousands of thousands of people that work for the trump organization and -- [cheers and applause]
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-- and perhaps in all fairness more importantly on this evening and for what we're doing currently my staff where we're running for the presidency and remember this, our theme is very simple, it's make america great again. we will make america great again. we will start winning again. you will be so proud of this country very, very soon. thank you all. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] ♪ relatively short under 20 minutes, donald trump the republican presidential nominee for all practical purposes after a crushing defeat of ted cruz tonight in indiana. he congratulated and thanked ted cruz, had an amazing future ahead of him he said, but he was clearly excited by the fact that he says he's now going to face hillary clinton in the
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democrat democratic/republican contest. this is a huge moment for the presumptive republican nominee. >> the messages delivered in the speech were the following. first of all he talked a lot about trade deals and restoring the economy of the united states. that's been a big part of his appeal on there. he mentioned praysiising his ris like ted cruz and chris christie and ben carson. he criticized hillary clinton of course, but it was a very subdued donald trump and he was trying to seem statesman like, seam presidential, reassure party leaders who are worried about him not because of his commanding victory, but because of other moments in the campaign including early this morning when he basically suggested that ted cruz's father had possibly
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played a role in the kennedy assassination. moments like that make republican party leaders nervous. they're worried about what kind of candidate he's going to be and his speech this evening had none of that. it was very calm and very restrained. >> you know, he really seemed to and he actually said point blank that he didn't expect this. i believe him. i think it was pretty clear given the tone and the tenure of the speech that he didn't expect it, which maybe is a little bit surprising because we knew that ted cruz had two speeches ready. we didn't know he was going to drop out, but he had two speeches ready. and this is general the kind of speech when somebody becomes the nominee in all the campaigns that we've covered that they give a big of the moment speech. that's not what we heard from donald trump tonight. he wound his way there at the end talking what you just mentioned about unity and about
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saying nice things about ted cruz and bringing the party together, but it wasn't the big picture 10,000 feet here i am i'm your guy kind of speech. he started off giving a more typical donald trump speech, which in some ways is surprising given the fact that he is the nominee, but in other ways maybe he isn't because this is how he got there. >> when you say a more typical speech, you mean it was not scripted, it was off the cuff and second the exit polls i did well with this grown and that group and i did well with women. i love doing well with women. when he goes to give a stump speech he brings newspaper articles and he reads them like what's going on in the news today, let me go through and he did a little bit of that this evening instead of coming out with a big now is the time for our party to come together. he had that message in there.
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>> it wasn't put together in the kind of sort of rhetorical -- >> that's not him. >> exactly. that was my point that those kinds of speeches didn't work for all of the other 16 candidates who were running and this is his style and that's what works for him. so i guess my point is that it wasn't of the moment, but it was of donald trump and this is the kind of thing rhetorically that got him where he is. >> anderson, i think one of the things that's going to be interesting to see assuming trump and clinton are the nominees and obviously mr. sanders and mr. kasich would disagree with me offering that premise, but would donald trump make the democratic nominee whether it's hillary clinton or bernie sanders more off the cuff, more spontaneous. >> critics of hillary clinton have said that she does better
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that she's not on off the cuff person that she's more stately and certainly planned out and her remarks are often off the teleprompter even on a night like tonight it would be unusual to have hillary clinton take out a piece of paper with four or five bullet points and that's how donald trump makes a speech that's one of the things that will be fascinating between them assuming she is the nominee on the democratic side how that battle looks. it's a battle of styles. >> completely different styles. the first time i saw him speak up close, i was really struck by the imprufrp tu nature of this. it was three or four years ago. he's very good at this and clearly he says things that in his own style that gets attracts people. barack obama had his own style and was really very good at it. ronald reagan, john f. kennedy
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they're all in their own fashion they can get to people and it will be very interesting to hear because i always think of hillary clinton in some ways as a nerd. that she's the ultimate geek. she's got all these facts and figures in her head and she needs a piece of paper there to go through this stuff and otherwise she's not like her husband who is pretty free. >> she talks about that not being a natural politician. >> i just want to say i thought that was actually an extraordinarily good speech. i know that there's possibly some way you're supposed to do it. he hasn't done it that way the whole time. but i tell you what, you're sitting here and biting your nails and saying this guy is one step closer to being the president of the united states possibly is he going to come out here and be awful. you have to explain to your kids this is not how you act when you win. that's how you act when you win. let's give the devil his due. he was polite to the guy and he
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said nice things about his family. >> i wanted a little more -- >> i'll use the word i can almost hear the laughter coming from you this minutes that i think describes donald trump in certain situations and that word is humble. i mean i think that when you are finding out that you are -- that you stand within a very reasonable chance of being president of the united states, that's cause to give you pause after that. i can see david over there. >> we haven't heard from kevin tonight. >> there is absolutely nothing humbling about donald trump. i think for a moment and only for a moment right now he's without an enemy and i think that's going to change now that he's presumptive nominee and the opposition becomes hillary clinton. we've seen moments where everybody said he's given a great speech because he didn't go out and insult everybody from the very beginning and what i
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think what has happened is that every one of those moments has passed and he's gone back to being controversial and he's gone back to being substance free. i think it's going to be -- there's going to be a much longer body of evidence that we're going to have to see that he's going to become a disciplined focussed candidate that's ready for a general election and that's a very well funded campaign and candidate and outside groups as well trying to support hillary clinton. >> will hillary clinton elevate donald trump. everyone is imagining right now the first general election debate and what that looks and sounds like. will hillary clinton elevate donald trump or will donald trump pull hillary down to his level. >> or knock her off her game. >> yes. she's probably not anticipating some of the tactics that he'll use even though we've all been witnessing them for months. i thought what was interesting in cruz's speech, which was just
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shocking and -- >> horrible is the word. >> he said at the end of all of this he says it appears as if the path is now foreclosed. i thought is that english. that's not how people talk and that's why donald trump is doing so well. i can dislike some of the things he says but he sounds like a human and hillary clinton should remember there when she's writing speeches. >> he points out the inhuman things that other politicians says. he says i see that guy talking on the television and i want to hit the television. >> he talks about the national enquirer and people read the national enquirer. >> we were talking tonight about what a huge moment this is in this campaign and in the country you have someone who has never held elected office before and now the presumptive nominee of the republican party so maybe
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what i wanted from trump was something a little larger and about the country and what his campaign has meant and about what his campaign has meant to the people who came out and what he's going to do for them beyond trade, et cetera. >> is he speaking to you? are you the target audience? >> no, but i just think generally and you're right i'm not his target audience and maybe i'm old fashioned but when you win the nomination -- >> i agree with your point entirely. he was caught completely unaware that tonight was the night. if you tuned in and watched his speech you would never have believed this was the evening he learned he's the presumptive gop nominee. it was a lost opportunity. he gave a gracious set of remarks, he said the right things about ted cruz but there was a gap there he should have filled. >> part of it was tedious. he's sort of going through poll
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numbers saying he's ahead of clinton by 3%. >> that's what he does. >> that's trump. >> but after a while you sort of want something different. at least in this moment. i thought he could have made this a moment and he didn't and i definitely think he was directing some of it to the party we're going to go after hillary clinton. he said we're going to get african-american voters and latino voters i love winning with women. >> i think to the point dana or jake made earlier there were 16 other candidates who gave those kind of speeches all the time and they're gone. >> we're in a different phase now and is he the presumptive nominee so there will be greater demands on him as a candidate and we can talk about the stylistic questions and anybody who was watching cnn all day and watching this morning would have whiplash watching him tonight because it's such a different tone and that creates some problems, but there were some
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themes in here that we heard repeatedly that were powerful themes and we discussed them earlier about trade and we can't be the policemen of the world, these are themes he's going to be banging hard in this election. >> just because it happened it's all together the rebel in both parties won tonight in the heart land and that's important. bernie sanders won tonight and trump won taonight in the hard land for the same reason. it looks like hillary clinton's also the presumptive nominee, but tonight hillary clinton did not win. >> let's talk about bernie sanders because we projected it right before donald trump came out so we haven't discussed what this means. this is a big win for bernie sanders after several losses in a row. >> it was a good win for bernie sanders. it will add a handful of delegates to the -- he will net
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a handful of delegates. so it doesn't change the arrow rhythm ma tick of the race. the race is basically over. there's some races coming up in which he will win and it will create some discomfort just as hillary clinton created discomfort for barack obama don the stretch, the race was over and she started winning in places like west virginia and kentucky. >> there's another way to look at it though which is that for the movement -- for the math you're right, but for the movement it continues to give heart to those people who say listen we want to be heard and also listen had hillary clinton destroyed him in indiana, you have an even tougherer pathway going forward. i don't think bernie has a shot. he's winning the debate in this party and he has set the terms of the debate in this party in a way that hillary clinton cannot. >> that would have been true if he had won or lost by a few points tonight. >> i don't want to take away the win. the guy won.
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bernie sanders won. is that okay for us to say, he won. bernie won. he won. good. >> get it all out. >> does donald trump know how to -- do you think he already knows -- do you think he already knows how he's going to run against hillary clinton? >> oh, yeah. i think he's going to go after her on jobs and making the queen of the status quo. the politicians and washington establishment, he'll go issue by issue and then he'll get into the all of the other things here that pertain to the clintons. what he's doing is changing the way we look at the world. think of the phrase -- i lived in the northern eastern united states all almost my entire life. what's the phrase we use. we call it the rust belt. why does that have to be so? why doesn't anybody step forward and say why? what's wrong with pennsylvania and why can't they have a
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different situation? he's asking these kind of questions across the board, and that world view is attracting people and she's going to be forced -- >> he's also giving very simple answers which is we're not going to let that happen. we're going to fix that. we're not going to let people take advantage of us and there is a certain appeal to that kind of simple narrative sentence. now, someone is going to say and i suspect hillary clinton will be one of them, like how? i don't know how long you can get away with don't worry about it, i've got this. >> the idea so that that so many folks in washington are leading the country in the wrong direction and we can't trust them, this lack of trust in institutions and you've heard donald trump say it before and you're going to hear it every day until the general election, crooked hillary and hillary is out of touch and hillary doesn't understand and presenting himself as a vehicle for all of
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the frustrations that voters have. it's much more powerful to be for something than against something and i think donald trump is going to try to tap into that idea >> and then there's the personal side of this with. hillary clinton, and he's already started saying she doesn't have the stamina, if you'll recall, to be president of the united states. just like he said jeb bush was low energy. when he said jeb bush was low energy last summer. i think that really hurt jeb bush. and jeb bush got on the defensive about it. the question is when he attacks hillary clinton at that level, which he will do and he will continue to do crooked hillary, whatever else, i think what they're trying to decide in the clinton campaign is how do you deal with these attacks, which they know are coming. does she say it at the high level and let her surrogates and her staff do the counterpunching? or does she directly counterpunch because that's what he does. >> frankly, i think calling hillary crooked is the nicest
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you're going to get. and frankly, i don't necessarily think all that controversial. talking about her taking a bathroom break at disgusting, that's the stuff, can hillary clinton conceive of actually being in the same room as someone who's talking to her like that? i mean, and is he going to? or is he going to, as promised, become more presidential? you'll be so bored at how presidential i'll be. >> gloria, there cannot be a debate inside hillary clinton' campaign about what strategy they're going to deploy against him. if there's a debate right now, there's hesitation. and if there's hesitation against someone like donald trump who plays with reckless abandon with who are much more cautious, i think that'll work against him. >> joe biden was debating sarah palin and talk about that because they had a lot of discussion about the right way to deal with sarah palin because
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joe biden couldn't believe that he was standing on the stage next to sarah palin and he really had to reign himself in. and i'm sure those discussions are going on in the clinton campaign. how do you do it? >> your point is absolutely right. first of all, i don't think hillary clinton will have no problem going after donald trump and the question is, just how hard she personally should do it and does she look good or bad doing it or should she allow others, including our friend paul bigallo with his superpack to carry that load. those are the kind of discussions. i don't think anybody has any illusions over there that they're going to -- they're in a full out war. they saw what happened in the republican race where everybody hung back and trump ate them up. >> can i say that one of the best weapons that i think that she has is bill clinton. and i think about the cycle four years ago, and that stem winder that he delivered at the democratic national convention which really was a high water mark. >> it was. of what went on.
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how does he get utilized whether -- >> bill clinton is the greatest surrogate any democratic candidate could have, other than his wife. at least that's what history has proven. >> and you know donald trump is going to go after bill clinton. right? >> that's what i was about to ask. . is bill clinton or anybody ready for donald trump to go there -- >> you know what's coming. >> with the former president? >> they know what's coming. if you have read any conservative blog over the last 25 years, you know -- >> it's one thing on a conservative blog, it's another thing for the republican nominee -- >> i think they know what sort of the stories are that are going to come. >> it seems to be the only time -- >> i don't think so. >> to this point, if he's bringing the national inquirer, linking ted cruz's dad to the jfk assassination, who knows what story. >> that was a long time ago. >> i think that the only time i saw bill clinton remove from the battlefield was when hillary clinton called donald trump a
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sexist, and donald trump opened fire on some of these allegations. and it seemed to me, and maybe i missed it, but it seemed that bill clinton almost fell silent? >> yeah. >> let me know that that is the opposite of the when the dogs hit the bark not to translate, hit, dog, bark. the big dog got quiet. that let me know there's a weakness there. >> i don't think he's completely prepared. he was just on stephen colbert show and he was asking, what do you make of the trump phenomenon? there is an appeal in this ma cheese moe, it signals to voters that you can get stuff done. well, i'm thinking, i wonder what hillary clinton thinking about the assertion that macho is necessarily related to getting stuff done. he speaks very freely because he's a very smart guy. but i foresee a bunch of potential problems with bill clinton trying to defend his wife against trump. and that is not going to be an easy lift. >> would you rather have president clinton than not have
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one if you're a democrat. here's the problem, if you have -- if anybody has to reach elsewhere for validation with the voters, there is a potential for having an overreliance on your surrogates to do that. and that's the thing about running for president. it's ultimate test of whether or not you can make the argument to people about your candidacy and your vision. >> bill clinton was the most important surrogate that barack obama had in 2012, i think barack obama is going to be the most important surrogate that hillary clinton has in 2016. and al much better position to play that role than bill clinton who i think gets too emotionally wrapped up in the attacks when his wife is involved. >> if he gets one of these national inquirer style attacks that caused a cruz meltdown. i can see bill clinton going off the handle on the spot. >> we have to take a quick break. more with our panel, more of our election night coverage as we continue to watch the indiana primary. we'll be right back.
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breaking news after a crushing defeat at the indiana republican presidential primary, ted cruz has announced he's ending his campaign for the presidency. i'm wolf blitzer at the cnn election center. ted cruz got the one on one match-up he was looking for in indiana, but donald trump got the knockout that he was looking for. this indiana win puts him on a clear path to the nomination, and made it clear to cruz that his own path as he put it has been foreclosed. let's look at the vote. actually right now, donald trump the winner of the indiana republican presidential primary with 85% of the vote in, donald trump has 53.2%, ted cruz, 36.7%,

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