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breaking news after a crushing defeat at the indiana republican presidential primary, ted cruz has announced he's ending his campaign for the presidency. i'm wolf blitzer at the cnn election center. ted cruz got the one on one match-up he was looking for in indiana, but donald trump got the knockout that he was looking for. this indiana win puts him on a clear path to the nomination, and made it clear to cruz that his own path as he put it has been foreclosed. let's look at the vote. actually right now, donald trump the winner of the indiana republican presidential primary with 85% of the vote in, donald trump has 53.2%, ted cruz, 36.7%, john kasich, only 7.5%.
kasich did not even campaign in indiana. donald trump, the big, big winner in indiana right now. the republican national committee by the way has just declared that trump is the presumptive republican presidential nominee, appealing for party unity. let's look at the delegate count to date. remember, needed to win 1,237, right now, donald trump has 1,053, ted cruz, just announced he's dropping out, 572, john kasich, still in this race, 156. donald trump, clearly well on his way to getting the republican presidential nomination. on the democratic side. bernie sanders picked up a narrow win in indiana. but not enough delegates to effectively slow hillary clinton's march to the nomination. let's take a look at the race right now, 76% of the vote in indiana has been touted. bernie sanders has an impressive lead, 53.1%. hillary clinton, 46.9%.
he's up by almost 35,000 votes in indiana. bernie sanders, the winner of the indiana democratic presidential primary, an important win, important win for bernie sanders. hillary clinton has already been pivoting to the general election and the key question will be how long bernie sanders will stay in the race in a way to help or hurt the democrats in november. let's go over to john king over at the magic law. the electoral map, 270 electoral votes you need hillary clinton versus donald trump. >> now sanders supporter will say hey not yet, especially after the win in indiana. her delegate map is convincing. donald trump will win in november. this map is the 2012 map. this is barack obama, the blue states, versus mitt romney, the
red start. another way, this is the battleground map for the 2016 election. if they're dark red, likely to stay red, dark blue, likely to stay blue. you see the lighter shades, likely democratic state and republicans states. let me start on this map. what does donald trump say? donald trump says i could beat hillary clinton in places that are traditionally democratic. well, if he has that success and what jeffrey lord was just calling the rust belt. democrats are going to say hey wait a minute, it won't happen. if donald trump with can win in pennsylvania, michigan, and then come over here, win wisconsin, he's the president of the united states. you can do it. i make it sound easy, those are fire states traditionally democratic for a long time. it can be done just in this part of the country which is why donald trump reaches out to bernie sanders supporters, and why donald trump talks about the trade message. in his mind, you can do this in one part of the country where he has proven that he has appeal to
blue collar workers. now the clinton campaign will never concede that this will happen. this state pennsylvania has not gone republican since george h.b. bush. never going to take that away. let's just say i pick these two, let's say donald trump gets two, where else does he go? that's a fascinating question. obviously florida is one of the biggest prizes, hillary clinton believes with the latino vote. suburban vote that she can keep -- what if donald trump now won florida? this is the chess campaign. how do you change the map? can donald trump put these states in play? if so, where does hillary clinton look? let's say donald trump -- i don't think that one we should do that just yet. let's leave this blue. donald trump wins these three. where does trump go? he's going to have to try in smaller states, like in iowa, new hampshire, starts to even out the map. so as we begin the calculations and the thinking about the general election, there is no question for donald trump the first test is change the map and
the industrial states that have been reliably blue for quite a long time. if you're hillary clinton, what are you looking at? you think it's possible, possible with a high latino turnout that you might be able to turn arizona. you think it's possible if you can get a high african american turnout and if conservatives say never trump and stay home, you could turn a state like georgia with a combination of high democratic turnout, suppressed conservative turnout. these are the calculations now going on in the campaigns. as i said this. i want to reset and come back to this. you can look at the obama, romney map. the biggest test is actually to prove, to prove and have the polling prove that you can compete across here. if you can make the democrats spend time, money, resources here, then it can change the map in other ways. as we begin to think about this and what donald trump said tonight. i think any early calculation of the electoral map has to be put to the test. can donald trump do across from battleground pennsylvania across over here into minnesota,
wisconsin, and the like, include iowa and illinois, i think is most unlikely, but across the belt, if he can change the map here. he has the potential to make it a very different race. >> we're talking hypothetically about a contest between hillary clinton and donald trump. bernie sanders did win in indiana tonight. an important win for him tonight. and his supporters are going to say, why aren't we paying attention to his win? the answer is, it's proportional. >> it's proportional, if he were to become the democratic nominee. you'd have having a very same conversation in those states. here's the issue for bernie sanders. let he take the super delegates off the table. hillary clinton began the night with a more than 300 lead in just pledged delegates. bernie sanders will shave into that tonight. modest because of the proportional democratic rules, even if he wins by seven points, even if he wins by seven points. you split delegates, something roughly along those lines. so he'll gain maybe count the delegate, 10 or 15 or 20 in the
delegate count tonight. she starts way over 315. number one, if he won everything left, 55, 45, bigger margin than he's winning tonight, still wouldn't catch up. number two, let me play this out this way. give half the states to sanders, california to clinton here. sanders supporters say they're going to take california. we'll see what happens. if you split the remaining states. she gets the big one, california, 55, 45, she gets the big one, new jersey, 55, 45, he gets a lot of delegates. in that scenario, we're out here. and the sanders campaign team has talked abouted if he starts winning, we will change the super delegates. there is zero evidence of that right now. zero evidence. the democratic superdelegates who get votes are the overwhelmingly bring them into the equation. she goes off the chart. passed our final market. 514 to 41% of sanders. there is no reason to believe, if she keeps losing, we'll
revisit. one state is not going to do it. >> let's go back to the electoral college map. looking ahead to november this year. how much of an uphill struggle would donald trump have, let's say compared to mitt romney four years ago? >> well, it depends how you look at it. on the one hand, donald trump would say, and i think even democrats, bring mr. axelrod into the conversation, that if nese states, trump has proven he's an unorthodoxed candidate. a lot of blue collar working class voters are unhappy, they're voting for bernie sanders. they're unhappy in the primaries with hillary clinton. does that mean they'll be trump republicans? means nothing. they don't think mitt romney or john mccain had because of his appeal to blue collar workers. on the other hand, if you look at the demographics, often times in politics, forget the candidates, look at the demographics.
this is the obama coalition. ive just switched michigan over. this is the obama coalition which is remarkably consistent in two elections. won indiana and north carolina, gave them back in 2012. they were the two most conservative states he won in 2008 and he lost them in 2012 to mitt romney. if you're hillary clinton, this is where you start. and you say what am i at risk of losing? she would have to defend pennsylvania and ohio. she would probably have to defend in wisconsin. some of of the smaller states, iowa, new hampshire, trump lost iowa, but he has a blue collar field, he won new hampshire. i could tell you the republican senator kelly ayotte does not think donald trump can win new hampshire in november. we'll see, donald trump, remember, wolf, when we started this, donald trump wasn't going to be the nominee. donald trump didn't have a chance. donald trump was running against the deepest, broadest, most experienced in our lifetime, well donald trump is the presumptive nominee tonight. you look at this map, with the things he's said about latinos, standing among women, african americans, that today, there's
every reason to believe hillary clinton has a good opportunity to repeat this map. based on polling. based on demographics, based on the campaign. how many times has donald trump forced us to go back and rethink what paper tells us? what the data tells us. he has changed our politics. for hillary clinton, if you want to win the president we season focus on this area, trump says he's going to compete in new york. new york hasn't gone republican for quite a long time, but this area of the country, which is traditionally reliably blue. hardly any money is spent in the general election because, except for ohio, ohio's always a democrat state. not much money is spent in pennsylvania after labor day. some republicans test the waters in michigan and pull out by september. we're going to see money, time, and resources spent in places that tra lilgsly, in the past ten or 15, 20 years haven't been general election battleground. we'll see if clinton can try to stretch the map there.
this will be until proven otherwise by data. traditional election with a lot of focus across the industrial midwest. >> there's a lot of time between may and november. we'll see what happens. this is a conversation that we're going increasingly going to have, looking ahead to that electoral college map, how donald trump who is the presumptive nominee, not only because we said it, but reince prieb priebus, tweeted just a little while ago, he considers donald trump the presumptive nominee as well. >> whether or not he's running against clinton or sanders, this is going to be a brutal, brutal race. there are a lot of democrats, van jones among them, who are very, very concerned and very, very worried that donald trump's ability to get voters excited and motivated and appeal to white working class voters and bring in people who haven't voted in a long time that that can potentially change the map.
and there are people donald trump has talked about about being able to win over michigan, being able to win over pennsylvania. who knows if he will be able to, but it's going to put those states in some serious play. >> absolutely. look, i spent during this primary season, time on the ground in michigan. in pennsylvania, but in michigan in particular, and wisconsin, like john was just showing, i mean, i remember 12 years ago covering the george w. bush reelection campaign and carl rove was convinced, convinced that republicans were going to be able to make those states red again because of the excerpts, the growing number of people who could potentially be republican voters. there's no question that those states when donald trump says that they're in play again, are, and i don't think it's because of those voters, it is going back even further to, as john was talking about, the reagan democrat. i saw them, we talked to them. so many voters at trump events
saying that some of them saying that they're just so disgusted with everything, they're so upset about job loss and all the things that you talked about earlier that the trump mentioned tonight. trade and so forth, that they're right for the picking for donald trump. and at the very least, he's going to make the democrats spend money there. i think it could go further. >> i think anderson, one of the things that's going to be -- first of all, it's so unprecedented. we've never had a candidate like donald trump. we've never had a woman nominee from any party either. so many unknowns. and also you're going to have donald trump potentially running to the left if clinton is the nominee, running to her left on foreign policy, trade policy, on washington, d.c., on stall tus quo, it's really going to be something. >> clash of experiences and also of styles and also, i mean, david, two candidates who knew each other and attended, or at least she attended his wedding,
he gave her money. >> whether she was going to ask for her gift back at this point? that might be the right thing to do. no, look, i think that it is, it's going to be fascinating because hillary clinton, what she brings to the table is experience, confidence in public, we can debate this, but the public perception of her is that she is ready to be president. people understand that, they know that, it was interesting the clinton campaign put out a statement tonight describing trump as a risky choice. and i think that's the contrast that they're going to strike. and the question is can they in suburban areas, for example, can they appeal republican and independent voters away? it is true that he is going to go hard after those who are reagan democrats, independent voters, blue collar workers. some of the groups that he's done well with. and that can cut into per support in those areas. and i think you're going to see
the clinton campaign fight back hard on that. they're going to go after some of the other things that trump has touted like his tax plan which is very skewed to the very wealthy. and it's not something they -- >> donald trump in his speech tonight talk about miners in west virginia and bringing up comments that hillary clinton -- >> clear shot at her. yeah, i was disappointed, i saw her interaction with that coal miner yesterday in west virginia, in which she sort of apologized for what she said. what she said was actually right, those jobs are going away. the question is do we have a plan to, to bring new jobs and new opportunities to those workers? 26s an honest thing she had said so again donald trump is going to have to make the case to why he's going to reers is the tide of history here. and it can't just be sheer force of will. >> my momentum state, jeffrey's home state of pennsylvania is
going to factor very significantly into this, but things have changed demographically in the country. and one illustration is that in 1988 when papa bush was able to win pennsylvania and get elected, he got 59% of the white vote and earned him 426 electoral votes, mitt romney got the same 59% of the white vote. only earned him 206 electoral votes. that's of a snapshot. donald trump needs to grow the tent, or he can't win. >> we'll have more coverage in just a moment. we'll be right back.
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and then when it happened, i think it was just sort of a collective wow. i don't think there were a lot of words spoken. i think we're just incredibly shocked. its been a long and brutal process, one that's been very tough and one that we weren't familiar with. it's incredit to believe see him step into this game as an outsider and do so well and give the people a voice. its been awesome. >> did you think ted cruz would speak at some point? >> i'm sure they will. >> and do you think it's possible for your father to unite this party? it's pretty fractured. >> 100%. people get it. obviously there's been a lot of protecting the system with a lot of the old school establishment. i understand that. people understand my father's message about letting the people have a voice. letting it be heard. and spoken loud and clear. and i think, you know, our politicians on both sides have to start actually listening to the people for a change. >> did you ever think your dad would get here? would actually come to this?
>> i've learned never to second guess him. we obviously know it was sort of, it would have to almost be an anomaly. he's a special guy and he's an incredible person. he gets it. and i think i want someone to lead the country who's signed the front of a paycheck who employs thousands of people. livelihoods depends on his success. yeah, they don't have a chance. we're all in. >> if he wants me to, i'm happy to do it. i'd love to do it for the country if it helps. >> help tie the party in the campaign? >> one thing you'll see with, we're workhorses, we're never going to give up. thank you, guys. >> coming from junior, and amanda carpenter joining us. since ted cruz's speech, were you surprised cruz dropping out tonight? >> why not? they've run a data-driven campaign. they realize that this is the decision to make.
i wanted him to go longer to prove a point, especially the attacks against his family. they've been through an exhausting process. and i think the best thing is that cruz ran a clean campaign. he ran on issues. he didn't stoop down to the lying, dirty tactics that have been effective for trump, but i don't think are honorable. even though cruz wasn't successful in getting the nomination. he's still a person conservatives will trust, he's a person conservatives will look to for a leadership in the senate. no matter who is president. and that's a big deal. >> do you think he endorses trump? do you think he campaigns for trump? >> if i were advising him, i would encourage him not to. i think that would be bad for his conservative brand to endorse someone who will run to the left of hillary clinton on many issues. so i would say, don't do that. i understand earlier in the process he said he would support the nominee. i think a lot has been revealed about donald trump's character --
>> he also stepped back from there after the attacks on heidi cruz. >> i would encourage him not to do that and be the guy that people look to for conservative guidance. i thought it was interesting in trump's speech when he sort of pivoted away from talking about how tough a competitor ted cruz was right to and look who endorsed me. chris christie, and ben carson, all great, i thought he was sport of signaling to ted cruz, there's going to be room over here. talk about you as i am now about some of the other competitors. i thought that was a pretty clear, clear thing he was doing. also just want to say, don jr. is so great as are all of trump's kids. ivanka and eric and tiffany. don jr. should be out on the campaign trail every single day talking about his dad. i know him. i know the way he talks about his dad. he's a real humanizing voice for that campaign. >> that was a very, that was a very disarming exchange. that was a better exploitation
of the trump message than from the candidate. >> the trump offspring are terrific. >> incredible. >> and i think the more you have them out the better it is. but speaking of endorsements, kevin bobd points out that tonight in a facebook post, mitt romney thanked ted cruz for making the fight for conservatism, et cetera, et cetera, no mention, no mention in his post of donald trump. whom he has said he's not going to vote. >> he's never trump. >> i mean, i have to say, i'm not surprised. that apparently is a romney family tradition. when barry goldwater was nominated, governor romney fought him tooth and nail and he refused to support him. wouldn't show up in michigan when goldwater, you know, i think that's the way they do things. >> we're not talking about the question about what do big elected fishes do about trump. every republican i know is on e-mail, facebook messages saying what are you going to do?
that is such a big text for republicans as individual people from local activists to the highest levels of trying to figure out what kind of republican are you going to be? somebody who says yep, i'll support him. i'm going to defend him. i'm going to go along with trump reluctantly or say, i'm not on board with the trump train. i'm going to see what happens and wait for somebody who will fight for conservatism. >> but if you look at party leaders. okay, mitt romney being one of them, we're not sure if he's going to the convention or not, but if you look at party leaders, we haven't heard from bush 41, bush 43, we don't think they're going to the convention. john mccain tonight just endorsed trump. not goinged to the, not going to the convention though. >> he's on the ballot though. >> he is on the ballot. >> so if you look, you know, two former republican presidents, former republican nominee in mitt romney, not supporting the nominator. the party is unprecedented.
unprecedented. >> yeah, and i mean, which brings what the convention will look like. will look like. who is going to be the keynote speaker. who's going to put his name into nomination? you know, i think some of it will be revealed in the days going forward, maybe somebody like chris christie has endorsements, rick scott, paul lapage. the next couple -- >> can i say that a nominee normally has his or her pick, who says no, no one says no. this might be a different dynamic. >> the clinton campaign weighed in on donald trump. we'll have that when we come back. we'll take a short break.
welcome back. i want to check in with jeff who has new information about how the clinton campaign is responding to donald trump. jeff. >> reporter: anderson, the clinton campaign has been preparing for this for a long time. they did not believe this sort of head to head match-up would be happening so soon. of course even in defeat to bernie sanders, they're already looking ahead to donald trump. but the campaign chairman, john pedesta released a statement, he said fundamentally, our next president will need to do two things. keep our nation safe in a dangerous world and help working families get ahead here at home. donald trump is not prepared to do either. throughout this campaign, donald trump has demonstrated he's two divisive and lacks the temperament to lead the free world. donald trump is simply too big of a risk. so with that, anderson, we are seeing the outlines of what is sure to be an aggressive campaign come together here, simply too big of a risk. you can see television
commercials coming with that, even before they are finished with the nomination fight. they still have to deal with bernie sanders here. but anderson, make no mistake about it, the clinton campaign at headquarters right now, going all in on donald trump. and this is an outline to how they believe they will go after him. and they also believe and hope they can get some republicans to join in this campaign with them. of course, we've been talking about all evening how many republicans are not excited about donald trump. look for them to start a republicans for hillary or something like that. because that will be how this next six months of this campaign goes. it's going to be a fascinating one without a rule book to follow. >> jeff, to that point, i don't know if you have an answer, but is the clinton campaign, do they have a strategy in place already for going after donald trump? did they feel like they know what has worked or hasn't worked with the republicans and what they plan to do or is there any dissension or all on the same page? >> reporter: they're pretty much on the same page. one, they want to remind everyone what donald trump has
been saying throughout the course of his republican primary. they know donald trump is going to shift back to the middle, maybe even to the left a little bit, they want to remind people every position he took during this republican primary. and don't forget, this is playing to a much different, bigger audience. the republican primary electorate is just one slither of the audience. they believe they have another opportunity to not necessarily reintroduce donald trump, but to define him as he is now. to freeze him in place as he is now in the words of one advisor tonight. so that's what they're going to try and do. of course they also know that donald trump has been a spontaneous candidate. that's something that they struggle with doing here. so they know it will be difficult, but one window into the excitement that they believe is out there is the woman card thing. last week, that raised $2.4 million for the clinton campaign in three days alone. they believe that donald trump is sort of giving them that
gift. but make no mistake about it, the electoral map is something they're also looking at. michigan will be tough, pennsylvania is tough, they're sending out state directors there. the general election campaign has started already tonight even though they're not finished with bernie sanders. >> all right. thanks very much from louisville, kentucky, tonight. is it a mistake for hillary clinton not to be speaking tonight? >> yeah. well i'm a little bit surprised by it. i think she also anticipated that this wouldn't be necessarily a great night for her in indiana. >> nevertheless, on a night where donald trump becomes the presumptive nominee, it is a night to get a nationwide coverage. >> yeah, yeah, but i think they'll take that up tomorrow, i'm sure. here's an interesting challenge for them with donald trump. for many of the same reasons that some of the conservatives in the republican party are unenthused about donald trump, he's laid some, some things out there that he may be emphasizing more coming -- you know, i was
sitting in chicago this week listening to radio advertisements from ted cruz's forced aimed to indiana, just beating the heck out of trump for not opposing or for opposing the north carolina bathroom law. and i'm thinking, boy, there are a lot of people in this metrole to tan area will probably say, gee, tra surprises me, i didn't realize trump was on that site and thought of it as a positive thing. he rangled a lot of republicans by taking a position or speaking at least positively about planned parenthood. he's played markers down there, and we'll see more of of that. we heard the last election about the etch and sketching. he is a task master at etch and sketcher, and we can see a different profile here. that would be something else. he won't change on trade, won't see him change on the issues that have been big issues for
him with this blue collar constituency, but you can see him taking some other positions to try and win some of those suburb e urban voters, women and others who are not inclined to support him. >> and there are two things that hillary clinton is running on. one was she ran on in 2008 which didn't really work for her really well was the experience issue. and barack obama beat her handily, someone without experience. so this time she started out and she's talked more about being a woman. and i think if we look at her campaign manager's stadium from earlier this evening, they're back to talking about experience and being a woman together. because what she can say is that he's erratic and she's a risk as john padesta said, and he's unpredictable. and he can play into that by being unpredictable. and i think that's something they are talking about -- >> it is. and that is the way, seems to me that's a sensible way to
approach this and a really legitimate question to raise, the question is in an antiestablishment year, being the experienced candidate has some risks as well. >> sure. >> so it's a dicey path. >> and that's the observation that california takes on significance for her. not because she needs to win california in order to sew the nomination up, but because it occurs to me as i look at the schedule, she's limping across the finish line. she's ending this cycle and will get to that number, but by losing to bernie sanders, on a night like tonight, okay, the net is a few more for him, but she's still on path, season that really the way you want to win the nomination? >> we have to take a quick break. we'll talk about that. just a lot about bernie sanders and his win tonight and his road ahead against hillary clinton.
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47.3% for hillary clinton. we're standing by to speak live with bernie sanders. that interview is coming up momentaril momentarily. i want to go over to john king over at the magic wall. donald trump has amazingly well in indiana, picking up what, almost all of the delegates? >> almost all. we can't call a few yet. overwhelming. add up kasich and cruz and still ten points behind donald trump. why even the republican national committee, even though governor kasich says trump is your presumptive nominee tonight. if there's one potential pride for ted cruz, he's in play in this congressional district. these are the districts. this is too close to call right now. this district up here on the top northeast corner of the state, too close to call. it's possible cruz gets three delegates. there's one other congressional district right here in the heart efz indianapolis, i want to pull it up, trump's ahead in the entire county. the congressional district has a line across here. we haven't called that one yet, but it looks like that one will go through trump.
possible that trump gets 54 and ted cruz gets three. possible trump wins them all. it's right up here, you can see he only won five counties of the but overwhelming victory for donald trump. and let's look at the democratic race, then we'll have the delegate count. overwhelming victory, not by as big margin, but in a two-way race. very healthy victory for bernie sanders. what is significant is this is lake county. area christianton knew she needed to win. let's compare that to then senator obama. close, 57. 56.7. hillary clinton did what she needed to do there. look down there, marion county, it's essentially a tie, but this is just what bernie sanders wanted. a narrow victory are 86% in marion county. go back to 2008. this is why then senator obama kept the state close with a huge victory here in the major population center. senator sanders, very smart campaign to keep it a narrow victory for him there.
his goal was to keep him close. how does this matter? well on the republican side, wolf, we're going to keep doing this map. although in some ways, you might argue, doesn't matter anymore. the republican national committee said he's the presumptive nominee. where is john kasich going to stop donald trump? where we are right now, when you add in the pennsylvania unbound delegates who have said, because donald trump won my state or my district, so be, i'm for trump, we already have now donald trump's going to end, 1059 or so. we have to count the final indiana delegates. but, almost two to one over ted cruz who has now suspended and jake said this earlier, it sounds like you're being cruel. john kasich in the delegate count is running fourth in a two-man race. and he's now, you know, still behind marco rubio whose been gone for seven weeks and now behind donald trump. governor kasich will be in d.c. tomorrow. he says he's going to stay in. this tells you the story of the republican race. then the calculation is with a win in indiana tonight, let's take this away, what happens to
bernie sanders? well, he picks up some, but doesn't pick you have enough is essentially it. it's a start, moral booster, gives his campaign momentum. online supporters are saying if he keeps winning the super delegates will switch. there's zero evidence, would that if bernie sanders could run the board? of course, that would cause panic in the democratic party. we expect bernie sanders to win new jersey after hillary clinton won it all up in here? they'll be interesting contests, but at the moment here's where we're going to end tonight. but, at the moment, 513 superdelegates, they get votes at the convention. yes, they don't vote until the convention, but they have publicly declared their loyalty, their votes count as much as the pledge delegates. only 41% for sanders, as long as this map does not change. she will get there. without a doubt, she will get there. the only way for this map to change is for sanders to run the board when all of them were all but one or two of them on the rest of the way out and caused panic.
caused switching among the super delegates, there's absolutely, i'm not trying to be cruel to the sanders campaign or senator sanders, but there's no evidence before us tonight that these 513 are prepared to switch. the only way is for senator sanders to run the board. again, or win, you know, lose one or two, but win the big one in new jersey, big one in california where you have most of the delegates. ? impossible? no. possible? no. you know thousand works. hillary clinton won in 2008, barack obama was the democratic nominee. the very rules that have kept senator sanders in the race, the proportionalty that have kept him close, now work against him. in the sense if she's getting 45% of the vote, she gets out here and the super delegates get other over the top. >> the hope is to switch the super delegates and pick up the 158 available super delegates. >> it's his only hope in the sense that if he won the rest, she would still lead.
if he won the rest of them, trust me, some people would -- there's no question some would flip. it's a type theft call. >> we're going to take a quick break. the interview with bernie sanders is coming up. how will the results out of indiana affect his fight against hillary clinton? we're going to speak with bernie sanders live, that's coming up.
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i want to play some of what donald trump said earlier and we'll talk about it with our panel. >> i have met some of the most incredible competitors that i have ever competed against. right here on the republican party. you know, we started off with that 17 number. and just so you understand, ted cruz, i don't know if he likes me or doesn't like me, but he is one hell of a competitor. he is a tough, smart guy. [ applause ] and he has got an amazing future. >> donald trump speaking about senator ted cruz. could you -- were you surprised by anything trump said? >> i was more surprised by cruz pulling out tonight. but look, i think trump was trying to be gracious to ted
cruz. and to say, look, he was an amazing competitor, and we ran a tough race and this is hard, and you know, i understand that. and i think that what trump might have been, sort of looking for and didn't get, was a endorsement from ted cruz and amanda would know more about this than i do, i don't see it coming in the near future after what trump did to his wife and talked about his father today. >> no trump/cruz ticket? >> no. one other thing is that earlier, anderson, i said that mccain had endorsed trump, this shows you how people are trying to thread the needle, i got an e-mail from a mccain person said he announced he has would support the republican nominee. and if trump is the republican nominee, he'd be happy to advise him on foreign policy. so this is how it is. >> he who i will not name. >> he who i will not name.
support, but not endorse. >> john mccain is a classic example, comes from a state with a significant number of hispanic votes. he's got a tough reelection fight with congresswoman kirk patrick there. and i'm sure there is really, he's really cross pressured here because obviously the immigration issue is very volatile there. and he's sort of caught in the cross hairs that's going to be challenging for him. . democrats will try and go on with all the latinos. very interesting to see if somebody like mccain can insulate himself. has his own brand. i think it'll be much more difficult for somebody like kelly ayotte in new hampshire. she was on our air and somebody asked her, i think it was jake tapper asked her if she had heard donald trump's foreign policy speech. i hadn't heard it. i'm working hard on the issues people of new hampshire are
facing. but it is going to be so hard,en how hard it was for people to separate -- >> there are very, very raw nerves right now with those inside the republican party. as you look back to 2008, 2012, when mccain campaigned and the romney campaign moved very quickly to try and consolidate the party behind the nominee. and there was a lot of outreach involved, and there wasn't a lot of battling going on after an presumptive no, ma'am me that had been arrived upon. i think that's very different right now. i think there are a lot of folks inside the trump organization that are perfectly willing to exploit a lot of the animosity inside the campaign. they've thrived off of it for the last few months. >> why do it now? >> well i think that's one of the hard things right now. we have about two and a half months before we get to cleveland, that is very short time with which they have to now start to bring the party
together. especially since these nerves are so raw. >> you know, and today mark salter, one of mccain's former top aids said that he would support hillary clinton. >> right. >> and we, i mean when you look at the polls, you see the question whether or not you would never vote for donald trump. >> right. >> it's showing up around 25, 26% right now. i think that's probably high. i think it's incumbent now upon the trump campaign to really make sure that they minimize that number and start to bring everybody together. >> let me ask you this, how do you unify a party around -- what principles are you going to unify around? i look at a john mccain whose foreign policy is completely different than, than donald trump's who has -- who was taking a different position on immigration reform. and who on many other issues has taken different positions. how do you unify a party when
there are really big hazards between the candidate and many in the party? >> yeah, there's no doubt that it's going to be there. it's going to be a significant challenge. i think if you're going to look rhetorically for donald trump to now start appealing to conservatives, i think he's going to start to move away from some of the areas where they disagree and he's going to try to move to areas that are popular, baggy for republicans to -- primaries are always about differences, general elections is where we agree. we'll start to bash the irs. i expect national security and foreign policy contrast, not only with the obama, the last eight years of obama, but trying to tie hillary clinton to those issues. >> i think it's very smart -- >> similar issues like that to use to bring the party together. >> the one thing hillary clinton did was try to exploit the thing that you don't know where donald trump is coming down on the issues. you hit him on temperament and uncertainty saying, i am the trusted option. if you don't know where this guy's going to go and republicans don't.
that's what i think is going to be the most interesting part of the process. the core message that donald trump is jobs. and yet, i don't know where he stands on unions, wage supports, exactly the function of how he would punish these companies. there are so many questions he hasn't answered about how he would bring back jobs to america. and i think hillary could eat his lunch on that. >> and the real shift will be whether or not hillary clinton who has tried to run to the left of the socialists now and trying to appeal to these disaffected republicans, all of the sudden starts to become the centerist where that she didn't, she and the clinton brand always previously was. >> i think sort of an overlay on that from the clinton campaign and democrats more broadly. i think they're going to try to run sort of the man campaign that you saw from democrats in 2012. essentially casting romney, they'll cast trump as sort of of a throwback to an era that wasn't so inclusive. i mean, even his slogan is make america great ag