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be the most interesting part of the process. the core message that donald trump is jobs. and yet, i don't know where he stands on unions, wage supports, exactly the function of how he would punish these companies. there are so many questions he hasn't answered about how he would bring back jobs to america. and i think hillary could eat his lunch on that. >> and the real shift will be whether or not hillary clinton who has tried to run to the left of the socialists now and trying to appeal to these disaffected republicans, all of the sudden starts to become the centerist where that she didn't, she and the clinton brand always previously was. >> i think sort of an overlay on that from the clinton campaign and democrats more broadly. i think they're going to try to run sort of the man campaign that you saw from democrats in 2012. essentially casting romney, they'll cast trump as sort of of a throwback to an era that wasn't so inclusive. i mean, even his slogan is make america great again. for many americans, america, you
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know, sort of the good old days weren't so good. so i think that's a contrast they're going to try to make. try suggest that obama was sort of a symbolic shift and that clinton herself would continue that in terms of cultural expansion. >> that's what's going to be so interesting about, about this particular general election i wrote about this today in the "new york daily news." we have am sometimes feminist ic icon, hillary clinton, facing a more often than not time soef nis man, and they're both leading with gender. trump is obsessed with his masculinity. he leads with his masculinity. hillary clinton does not shy away from using the woman card. she's used it often and very obvious ways, you know, explaining that she wouldn't be a third term of obama because she's a woman without explaining what the policy differences would be. they're not either of them are
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not afraid to go to very over gender identity politics to sort of court their voters. now the ironic thing, they both need the opposite of the voters they're courting. hillary clinton needs to win with men. she's got women. donald trump needs to get more women. she's got the man vote. he's got the dudes. and instead, they're really leading with their own, sort of, you know -- >> emphasizing this issue of stability of experience that she is going to try and make that outreach. one thing i would say, ken kevin -- that may actually position herbert in the general election. >> to the left, just not authentic progressive warrior.
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>> no. >> she has to do what obama did to romney. which is she has to preempl donald trump's narrative with her own. and what you guys did or your pack did, what he did on capital was so effective. and in hurting mitt romney, as you know, kevin, that i think the clinton campaign needs to do that -- >> right now. >> soon. >> i believe we have senator sanders, senator sanders standing by, let's go to jake tapper. >> thanks so much, anderson. senator sanders, congratulations, thanks for joining us, are you there? >> yes, i'm right here, thank you very much. >> it was a hard fought victory. even with that this victory, it's a tough path to get to the nomination. how will you do it? >> well jeff, first of all, first let me thank the people of indiana. i know that the clinton campaign and the media decided that the campaign was over, but apparently the people of indiana
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did not quite agree with that. we're going to be in west virginia next week. we're going to try to win that. we're going to be in kentucky, we have a shot to win that. we're going to go to oregon, we got a shot to win that. we understand as you just indicated that it's an uphill fight for us. but you know what, i started 60 points behind. wo will continue to fight uphill, and we still have a narrow path to victory. >> just to -- this is jake tapper you're talking to -- >> i'm sorry, jake. >> jeff talks to you a lot also. one of the issues that you discussed in indiana, a lot, and it obviously fits in with one of your campaign messages on trade, but one of the issues you talk about a lot is had to do with the corporate decision to relocate hundreds, if not thousands of jobs from indiana to mexico. you said a few days ago, quote, i intend to do everything i can to prevent united technologies
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from starting down their shops and moving to mexico. this is not acceptable. this is the behavior that's destroying the middle class. and you're going to end it, how? how do you tend? >> here's the thing, and i don't think the american people are comfortable with this. you have a company called united technologies. few years ago, when their ceo left, they gave him a severance package of $171 million. no one denies that the workers are productive, but they can make more money by running to mexico. now it turns out that united technologies also gets about $6 billion in the feds contracts. you know what, i think the american people and the tax payers of this country would like to know that the
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corporations who receive tax payer dollars from the defense department treat their working people with some respect. ed so my message to united technology is, i will work with other members of the senate to say, you know what, you're not going to get the krrtds when you have such contempt for the working penal who grew your company and maid you billions of dollars a year in profits. >> you would target united technologies? >> not only united technologies. >> all companies that outsource jobs would not get any contracts? >> look, what we have right now is an economy in which corporate greed in fact is destroying the middle class. why where these large corporations where if they can make another nickel by moving to china, they will move to china. meanwhile, millions are working longer hours, for lower wages in the middle dallas and the country have been in decline for 35 years. i don't think the american people want to see that anymore. they want some moral responsibility on the part of corporate america to respect their employees, to respect the
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consumers of this country. >> i would like to -- i'm not taking issue with what you're aspiring for, i'm wondering, how do you force these companies to stop shipping jobs overseas? >> you use the leverage of the united states government. right now with united technologies, you say, you want government contracts, well, you know what, if you want government contracts, start treating your workers with respect. an example of this, last year, i worked with some other senators and house members to say that contractors with the federal government should pay workers a living wage. and we have some success. we put pressure on them. our president obama, i can't remember in fact, i think it was an $11, at least raised minimum wage so any contractor with the federal government pays at least $11 -- i want to go high and see that -- >> 15. >> but that's how you use leverage. contractors want needlesses to
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say to make profits by working with the federal government. >> fair enough. >> you say, be good corporate citizens, respect your employees. >> let me ask you a question, now that the general election season is under way for the republicans, the rnc declared the donald trump is the presumptive nominee, are you a feeling pressure from democrats to get behind hillary clinton in any way? >> well obviously, you know, we've taken on the democratic establishment from day one. and i'm sure the democratic establishment that couldn't campaign would have loved for me not to exist and not have been in this campaign to have gotten out yesterday. fwhon indiana today. i think we're going to win more. and if you look at polling now, very interesting things, you're asking the american people. do they think that the primary contest in the democratic paerm has helped, people overwhelmingly say yes.
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or what the agenda of the democratic party would be. i think that's crazy stuff. >> senator sanders -- >> sorry, yes. >> i want to let my colleague dana bash ask a question while you're here. >> senator, just picking up on what you were just talking about, that's a totally understandable argument that the democratic voters and all of the coming states should have a chance for their voices to be heard, but tonight we have a new political reality as jake was just saying where you have a presumptive republican nominee and a general election for him is very much beginning. you said earlier tonight about donald trump, this is a man who does not have the demeanor, does not have the policy background or the ideas to become the president of the united states. so -- >> absolutely. >> staying in this race, aren't
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you effectively making it harder for the democrats to beat the man who you say would be so bad. >> what our campaign has succeeded in doing that the clinton campaign has not. we win in almost every election, people 45 years of age or younger. secretary clinton does very, very well with older people. the idea is the future of america. they are the future of the democratic party. and by the way, by the way, what we have done is insight an entire generation of people, working people and young people who are now getting involved in the political process. i think when we go to california, when we go to oregon, when we go to new mexico, go to all the remaining
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states. and we have a serious debate on serious issues, i think it generates enthusiasm, gets people involved in the political process, results in a higher voter turnout. democrats win when the voter turnout is high. >> and senator, no question you're bringing new people into the fold you and your campaign also rightly often point out you do well in open primaries because there's independent voters. on that note, trump's campaign manager, cory lewandowski said that their campaign is ready to bring in anyone who feels the bern, and this movement that you have started into the trump campaign if they're not inclined to support hillary clinton. i understand that you say that this is not over, and it is not over and you're going to continue down the road. this is a very real thing that the trump campaign is doing. and do you think, and do you worry they might have success? >> no, i don't.
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>> why is that? >> well, i can't speak for, you know, millions of voters, but i think when the average voter, certainly the voters who sport me look at a candidate like trump who every day is insulting mexicans and latinos, women, muslims, a candidate like trump who doesn't think we should raise the minimum wage of $7.25, who wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to billionaires, like himself, who thinks that climate change is a hoax. despite the fact that the entire virtually the entire community is telling us it's a great threat. >> heart is sanders, you've been saying that hillary clinton will not have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination, she'll only be able to do it with super delegates, and that's one of the reasons you're going to take it to the convention because you want the change the
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opinions of some of the super delegates. barack obama was in the exact same position in 2008. he would not have been able to win the nomination just with pledged delegates, he was able to get momentum, people changing, super delegates changing to him, but that's only because he was in the lead. >> well, look, i can't predict what will happen. this is what i will say, jake, number one. i believe that when we win and have won states like washington state, new hampshire, or other states with 60%, 65, 70, 80% of the vote, do you know what i think? i think that the super delegates in those states should respond to what their constituents want. i'm not saying that, you know, if you win 51%. when you win a landslide victory, it is incumbent to listen to the people of their state. and in many cases, that is not happening. super delegates are supporting clinton in states that we have won landslide victories.
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i think that's wrong. here's the ironies of the whole campaign, we now have, if my memory is correct, won over 45% of the popular vote. of the delegates, pledged delegates, all in 7% of the super delegates. all that is about the establishment supporting hillary clinton. and i think as this campaign progresses, you're going to see a whole lot of super delegates ask themselves the most important question, and that question is, which candidate, hillary clinton or bernie sanders is best able to defeat donald trump? and if you look at every poll that will has come out, including cnn polls, in the last month, in every case nationally and virtually every case in the statewide poll, bernie sanders is the good candidate against donald trump than hillary clinton. >> have you been reaching out to the super delegates, any suggestion at all that any of them will start to come your way? >> well, i think as this
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campaign progresses -- look, i can't make predictions. let me repeat, we understand this is an uphill battle. but i think that you're going to see some sensible super delegates, who perhaps the plans for clinton before i was in the race, maybe a year ago, maybe more than that. and i think they are going to say, look at the facts. bernie sanders will not only win virtually all of the democratic votes, he is much stronger among independents that be is hillary clinton. i think correct me if i'm wrong here, i think we win independent votes over her by a two-point margin. you cannot become president of the united states without winning independent votes. and i think i am much better positioned to do that than secretary clinton. >> more importantly, senator sanders, for this evening as we wrap up this conversation, congratulations. >> thank you. >> on a big and hard-fought victory. best wishes to you and jane and best of luck out there on the campaign trail. >> jake, and thank you very,
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very much. take care. >> we'll have much more coverage of the exciting election night when we come back after this very quick break. stay with us.
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welcome back, we just heard from bernie sanders. he made the case that he still has, he believes, a credible path to get the democratic presidential nomination. >> he called it a narrow path. i think senator sanders was realistic, he said it's not over. why should i quit in the seventh inning when i have a couple more at-bats. i think that's a fair way to put it. it's a very difficult path for senator sanders. here's where we are at the end of the night. hillary clinton is going to have, get or take, a few more delegates, but about a 300 delegate lead. this is only pledged delegates on the map right now. i'm going to play this out. let's say senator sanders, won
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them all, wolf, won them all, let's just start filling them in. this is not in the order they vote -- >> nine more contests. >> we just run them all out. bernie sanders wins them all. 55, 45. now if he won them all 56 #, 35, that's a different conversation, but is there any reason to expect that to happen? this is not criticizing senator sanders, hillary clinton to lose california, she's ahead in the average polls right now. i think it's 9.7 in the politics average, some were holder. sanders supporters say he's coming on. conceivable, even if he won them all, what senator sanders is saying, if i win most of these. let's just say for the sake of argument, i want to take this one out, stretch it out to make it work easier. doesn't want to the cooperate, that's why, you have to take that off. i should know thousand works, right. let's just say that she win ts new jersey and he won everything else. he would be behind her, but what
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senator sanders is opening is that the super delegates. she writes down 513, these are elected democrats. get votes at the convention, help senator obama over the finish line in 2008. he only has 41 right now. she has 513, that's how deeply the democratic establishment is with hillary clinton. senator sanders has a point, if he were to win nine out of ten of the remaining contests, there's no doubt that some of these people would panic. there's no doubt some would switch, how many? we have no idea. we have no idea. unless and until such a streak happened, this is a hypothetical conversation, now, senator sanders does have a point though that it's not over. mathematically, however, her lead is bigger now than obama's lead was at this point in 2008. there's zero evidence her super delegates have been growing in recent days. there's nobody who's checked in tonight and said i'm switch pg. we check back all the time. if senator sanders could win more next week and check back with the people again, see if it happens. that is his only hope. he cannot win with pledged
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delegates. he has to win the bulk of the remaining contests, i would argue that obviously 54/45 doesn't get him enough. another one 65/35, would that send a message? cause jitters? yes, it would, if, if it happened. so, this is a big win tonight in indiana. let's not take anything away from senator sanders, but one bin -- we've seen this at other points in the race, one is not enough. he's going to have to follow up and this is his problem. the democratic establishment, for other questions, still think she's a better general election candidate and unless he can do something like this, this is not going to move. >> democrats don't have winner take all states, proportional in every state. that's a potential problem. back to you. >> wolf, thanks very much. let's look at some of what ted cruz said earlier this evening, stepping out of the race suspending his campaign, let's listen. >> from the beginning, i've said that i would continue on as long
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as there was a viable path to victory. . tonight, i'm sorry to say it appears that path has been foreclosed. together, we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got, but the voters chose another path. so with a heavy heart, but with boundless optimism for the long-term future we are suspending our campaign. >> ted cruz talking about the long-term future of the nation, clearly also his long-term future. amanda, are you confident he has a future? >> oh sure. i mean, he is a leading voice for conservatives in the senate
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with an impeccable reputation for standing up against all odds to do what he thinks is right. and famously seen that the government shutdown which i was a part of through 2013. and so i think especially in light of trump being the nominee when nobody knows where he stands on some many positions and people really, the conservative movement and more broadly looking for leadership when it comes to matters of the constitution, rule of law, things that really fueled tea party back in 2009, they're going to need somewhere to go. so cruz will be a voice for them. >> so he continues to -- he does not endorse trump you don't think? >> i don't think so. if i were advicing him, this is -- adds vising him, this is bad for your brand. governor of texas, you should not be one of the people getting on board with donald trump when he is campaigning in a dirty and nasty way and has no, has demonstrated no reason that he will abide by rule of law or do anything good for the conservative move. i think that's bad for his brand. >> quick break.
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welcome back to indiana primaries. our continuing coverage. victory for bernie sanders in indiana and obviously also for donald trump. senator ted cruz dropping out of the race. suspending his campaign. donald trump now the presumptive republican nominee. let's talk to david chalon about the exit polls. what have we learned from the exit polls? >> anderson, we're looking here about clues about the unification of the republican party after this hard fought no, ma'am neigh fight and sort of
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the excitement for donald trump. take a look, remember, this is about indiana tonight. we asked voters if trump was the gop nomination, would you definitely vote for him, probably vote for him, not vote for him. the definitely and probably vote for him, that's 75% of republicans who say they probably or definitely will vote for him. 24% say not vote for him. now let's look at the enthusiasm for him. we asked folks, are you concerned or scared if indeed donald trump is elected president? and look at that, you've got 55% there if you add up excited and optimistic, clear majority, excited or optimistic who were voting in today's indiana primary. look at these numbers and remember, these numbers match similar numbers that we saw in his huge northeast victories in new york and april 26 states. that was a state that wasn't as kind and yet we see a majority excited or optimistic.
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75%, definitely or probably going to vote for him. although he does have a task ahead of him to unify the party and make sure they turn out for him, he looks to be, because of the sheer size of his victories of late, on his way to starting to do just that. >> david, thanks very much. we'll check back more in with you. do you buy the 24% who say they're scared that 25% you said, they're not going to vote for him? i mean do you not buy that hillary clinton, assuming she gets the nomination as the battle back becomes a two-person battle. >> he'll have a great opportunity to calm people down. there are people who say yes, i'm scared, i'm going to vote for him anyway, we tried everything else like van was talking about earlier and willing to try something new, even know it's scary and we don't know where it goes. the thing is that donald trump had all this opportunity to grow as a candidate, to bring people together, to calm down his temperament, he hasn't done it
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yet while he's winning. when it would be the easiest to do. in the face of attacks from hillary clinton and all the infrastructure that comes from that, i don't know how he will hand that will and how we will make people feel more secure. >> he really does believe you don't -- i mean you have to keep at this until you win. he is going to move on to hillary clinton and keep doing this with her. we look presidential in the fall of 1948 and harry truman, and he won, there was a lesson there. >> at the same time, you know, we're talking about these numbers that were just 24% of republicans in indiana are afraid of donald trump. they said they are scared of donald trump. that's a weird question to even
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ask about a candidate. and so, there's a chance to grow that number. you think about a donald trump in charge of the fbi, the cia, the nsa, the irs -- >> hillary clinton. >> well, good for you, but i think a lot of people when you see that erratic behavior, when you see how he won't even let, you've talked about the protest and stuff, don't forget, donald trump wouldn't even let silent protests, a muslim woman stood up silently, i come in peace. threw her out. so there's a way to grow that 24% of people who are very concerned about giving this much power to someone who has shown this little concern and respect for basic democratic rights. >> and that grows because, potentially because there are millions of people who don't start tuning into an election until it's the general, and they have two actual candidates. they're not interested in trying to disearn between 17 on this side, 5 on this side, get
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invested in all of the mud slinging and the fights and the policies that change day-to-day. so for people who haven't really been tuning in and are waiting, you know, that potential of scared or concerned with the other -- >> scared. scared, like i'm scared. >> this is going to turn over multiple of multiple of multiples of times between now and the convention. >> exactly. >> if you added those two categories together, they were 42%. >> right. >> they were 42%. sop there's a lot of ground that's got to be covered. >> i think that explains by the his way his temperament and approach in the statement. i think there's a recognition that if you're scaring or concerning almost half the voters in your own party, that's not a good thing. and maybe you'd better tone it down, the question is whether he can do that consistently because if he's calm tonight and comes out tomorrow and is back to the
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jfk conspiracy guy, if it does send a signal of instability that i think lends credence to the argument that hillary clinton's trying to make. >> yeah, democratic -- >> about bernie. i want to make a point about bernie and the interview about super delegates. i think there's a point that needs to be made. the super delegates exist on the democratic side as a hedge against a populist movement than leads toe a catastrophe like mcgovern in '72. senator sanders says in the match-ups, i do better running against donald trump or the other democrats and therefore they should come to me. i don't think the establishment believes that. i think that thus far, he's not been fully vetted. that if donald trump had his way going after bernie sanders, those numbers would crumble, and therefore, not only are they standing with hillary clinton because she's the democrat, the real democrat that they know, but they just don't think he could run well in the general election. >> also leading in the polls right now. >> one observation is the
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republicans are envious, if they had super delegates like the democrats do, i don't think donald trump would be in the position he is today. >> can i just -- on the concern, the scared and concerned on the democratic side, just looking up these numbers. about 30% of democrats would be concerned or scared if hillary clinton were elected and about 26% of bernie sanders. so that's not insignificant. >> 9% said scared of hillary clinton. >> don't mess it up now, i said scared. >> okay. so 9% said scared about hillary. concerned and scared. >> comprehensively, we saw the republican more divided than ever, 57%. people who are scared, concerned, meanwhile on the democratic side, more unified, more liberal than every. >> yay. >> this is bad for republicans, generally. i don't know how you heal it exactly, but better get smart people on it. >> more with the panel in a moment.
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donald trump tonight, the presumptive republican nominee, that's what he thinks, that's what the republican national committee says. the democratic race is going to go on. we could talk about this trump versus either clinton or sanders. you start with the map of the last election, both campaigns will do this. this is obama versus romney, 332 electoral, 206 for mitt romney. landslide for barack obama. now if your hillary clinton you think okay, is there anything i might lose. if you're donald trump, you're saying how do i get from 206 to 70? well again, democrats will argue these have been democratic states for quite some time dlump thinks he can appeal with the voters and change pennsylvania. can he? we'll see. but let's just say hypothetically, that one's in play. what does it do? makes it closer. donald trump thinks ohio, always the biggest battleground state. no republican has won the
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presidency in the modern era without ohio. donald trump if he can compete there. that's still a democratic vikt rib, and donald trump wants to go here and recreate what we used to call reagan democrats. blue collar workers up in michigan. at that point, even if donald trump, even if, republican, obama won all of these states twice. ohio went for bush once, but most of the states was twice, most of these states in michigan and pennsylvania have been on the democrats, if you won all three, that's not enough. where would he go? wisconsin, that would give donald trump, donald trump to go to four states if you will and win the presidency based on this map assuming hillary clinton took away none of the red states. this is where the campaign calculations will start. if you're the trump campaign, you view this as your wheel house, use your economic message, and your strength message try to turn blue collar white men which is a deficit, a problem for hillary clinton. subpoena that realistic? any democrat would tell you no.
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this is what they worry about. hillary clinton would have work to do here. you look and say, let's assume for donald trump could pull that off. if you're hillary clinton, now you're losing 270, 268, if this is happening, where do you get it back? one thing the democrats will look at. they've been talking about this for some time. nevada and new mexico used to be swing states. now some people still think nevada, but most think because of the demographics. these are solidly democratic states now. what would hillary clinton try? maybe arizona. republican will say, no way. i can tell you that john mccain campaign is nervous with donald trump as the nominee. >> he's up for reelection. >> about the state, so could the democrats turn arizona? if so, even if donald trump had the success changing the map here, hillary clinton, if she could find a place to change the map, that one takes it back. another one and again, democrats have talked about this, president obama talked about this, senator obama talked about this. state of georgia. bill clinton won georgia once.
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ross panther row was in the race. let's talk about let's say the never trump movement. conservatives in the south stay home. georgia is a state where you have a significant african american population if you have a combination of high african american turnout and never trump movement that keeps some conservatives, is it conceivable. these are the calculations that will be going on in all the war rooms and these are the calculations that people are pouring over the polling data. but can trump improve among latinos? what does hillary clinton support among working class men? crystal clear, this is now going on wolf at full boor, what states can he change? is there anything she or bernie sanders could turn back? fascinating -- >> heard him say, he thinks his home state of new york would be in play as well. >> that i believe when i see it, if you look at all the recent general election polls, hillary clinton has a clear advantage. however, if we've learned
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anything over the last nearly year, donald trump has been able to rewrite and change some rules so don't count it out, assume as most democrats do, a competitive race. >> yeah, democrats i know the hillary clinton campaign taken very, very seriously right now. over to you. >> as they should, as any candidate should. how does the race change for donald trump when he wakes up tomorrow, how does it change? he's no longer competing against the man he called lyin' ted all the time. what does he focus on? hillary clinton. >> and what he thinks are his comparative advantages. i think you heard some clues tonight. when he, when he dug into the trade issue as he did. when he dug into the issue of we can't be the world's policemen anymore. and other countries have to step up and, you know, he is clearly going to start contrasting himself with her and start launching, jeff said, he's going to move forward, i forget how
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you phrased it. now he's going to have to doed it with hillary clinton what he did the others. i suggest assume he's going to go hard after her. i assume some of it will be very personal. but you know one thing i would say about the map that john just laid out. he's right. and in fact arizona and george with the two states that the obama campaign looked hard at to see if they make a run at them. i think him making roads with some of these blue collar workers as suggested there, supposes that he doesn't lose votes anywhere else. in those states. and i think that that is a wrong calculation. i think that she is likely to pick up as many as she loses because of the trade offs and constituencies here. so, i think they have to focus on those states, the clinton campaign has to focus on those states for the reasons that van has been talking about. but, i do think that it's more
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i think that trump, i think the map that we just looked at is very, very important. in the lord of the rings, there's a garrison -- >> a what? >> want to put on your robe? >> gandolff said here it will fold the hardest. the rust belt. he can appeal, i beg you to believe me, he can apply to working class people and some african americans. let's not forget, only 70% of african americans don't like it. democrats like to get about 90% of the black vote. if he gets half of that 30%, that could be a big, big blow. i agree with you, that may be offset by other losses. let's be clear. the rust belt, the hammer stroke will fall the hardest in the rust belt. >> i love you -- >> who's that? >> we've been friends for a long time.
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i told you once ab a thousand times, i don't do dragons. you completely lost me, but i think what you were saying is that trump could be dangerous in places where blue collar workers and that is hillary's deficiency. the next beat is how do these candidates address the deficiencies through the picks. and that is an opportunity to shore up a ticket where you h e have -- that's going to be crucial for both of them. >> that was a great segue. i just want to say one thing, mitt romney did pretty well with those voters in 2012. so, you know -- trump may add to that vote, but -- >> at what cost? >> here's the coy ligs that nobody wants to talk about publicly. the black latino community. would be made fragile.
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in the black community for the past ten years, you have heard no one heard say those mexicans are taking those jobs. because in the '90s we pushed all those voices to the margin. a donald trump could whip up some of that. >> that's a different issue. >> could whip up some of that, and if you add that -- he could go and he could tell black voters, you've been poor a long time, i'm ruch, give me a chance. he could say nafta cost you jobs. he could add to the argument and when we -- by closing the borders, when we get those jobs back, you get them, not the mexicans. that could be daujs. that could be dangerous. >> david. >> obama is going to counter that argument. >> both obama -- >> obama and gandolf. he will save us. >> who? >> can i talk to your point about veep. >> she was picking up your segue. >> i am picking it up. >> thank you. >> vice president, not veep on hbo. >> we're talking movies. >> but i do believe that people
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don't vote on vice presidents, but i also believe that it's the personal choice made by the nominee and it tells you an awful lot about the nominee. and i think we're really curious, not so much about hillary's because we know so much about hillary, but we're really curious about who donald trump chooses because he has said he wants somebody from the political arena, right? and it'll tell us a little bit about his politics, an ultra conservative, does he go for somebody whose more moderate? i mean, this will finally let people know a little bit more about who donald trump is and what he is comfortable with around -- >> it is the first presidential appointment. >> can we not get caught up -- >> john kasich continues to be the perfect pick. i've asked him, others have asked him, absolutely not, but you look at john king's map,
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>> don lemon in new york. >> thank you very much, i appreciate that. it is midnight the east coast, this is cnn tonight, a special edition, about breaking news, america, meet your republican nominee. donald trump. ted cruz ends his campaign. making trump the presumptive nominee. and what do indiana's results mean to the rest of the race? we talk about all of that it my political dream team here with me. the campaign manager for hillary clinton. and

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