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order another pizza! and watch on! [ cheering ] don't wait a whole year for xfinity watchathon week to return. upgrade now to add the premium channel of your choice so you can keep watching. call or go online today. >> i will see you back here tomorrow. >> thanks for joining us. i heard my colleague say, we are running out of adjectives. paul ryan, the speak of the house, the man who will previde over the republican national convention, said he is not ready for support donald trump. take a look. >> so, mr. speaker, you said throughout this process, you
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will support the republican presidential nom neempt now you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. will you support him? >> i am not there right now. i hope to. i want. but i think what is required is that we unify this party. the burden will have to come from him. >> i am not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps we can come to an agreement, the american people have been treated badly for so long, it is about time to come to an agreement for politicians to put them first. >> george h.w. bush, jeb bush,
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all skipping the convention. trump is in west virginia tonight. since becoming the presumptive nominee, joining us right now, do you recall what paul ryan had to say, what is your sources telling you? >> that it is still happening. first of all, most importantly, because as you describe, this isn't just a senior guy giving his opinion. he is the leader of the republican party, second in line to the presidency right now. he also speaks for what one source described as the engine of the republican party. the house republican caucus. he would not have done this. it is open question whether or not he had consulted enough
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people within the cause cusor not. he knows the vibe of his cause cusl he wouldn't have done that if he wouldn't get blow back. just the opposite. he believes that this is the right thing to do to give this kind of breathing space, running room to his members, if they want to run against donald trump, certainly not with him. this is more importantly, paul ryan trying to get ledge rand out of donald trump. i am going to withhold my endorsement. make sure you act like a grown-up, basically what he is saying, and a conservative. the fact that we are looking at the screen, and donald trump has been speaking for some time, we are all listening to, see what he would do, what the usual donald trump would do, take out his boxing glove, counter punch harder than he was punched. he hasn't done it from the stump. i think that is quite telling.
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>> it is telling, there is essentially a stand off between the high eest republican, and t presumptive nominee. >> what makes it so muddy and uncharted waters, really, it is just the republican nominee and the house speaker. it is what those two people represent as really big different sections o.k. knowledged, trump is not from his wing of the party, that donald trump represents an angry, segment of the party. they won't be happy with ryan withholding his support. it goes so deep.
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and it goes so into the roots of the party, is incredibly, it is just a bad, bad sign for a party and for the people within the party that look to heal and get behind donald trump. he is the person that voters nominated to be their presidential candidate. >> mr. trump picking up some support? >> i think that speaks to that. rick perry, who was an opponent of donald trump, ran against him. when he dropped out, endorsed ted cruz. both texans, i spoke to him a short while ago, i was calling him, anderson, i heard that people trying to get a third party candidate were trying to get rick perry to join that to be the third party candidate. his answer was, not only am i not going to be the third party candidate, i am going to endorse donald trump. he thinks that is the will of
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the people, the will of the party, move forward, and heal. i asked if he would be open to being donald trump's running mate. he said he would do anything to help get donald trump elected, including that. >> wasn't he one of the first who had run to speak out against donald trump and do it based on religious grounds? he gave a formal speech, he called him a cancer on conserveatism. so, what changed? his answer was, he isn't a perfect man. he said, but he believes that trump is smart enough to get the right people around him and to listen to those people in a way that perry believes that trump will be an okay president. not just that, it is not just
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about conserveatism. it is temperament. a bigger problem. he said, no. again, just to emphasize as much as powerful as unbelievable as the fact that speaker of of the house not endorsing donald trump s you have another wing, including rick perry who are supporting trump today. >> i don't believe he we have been this divided since the sixth grade dance, all the girls on one side, the boys on the other. deejay playing stairway to heaven. and the megan, start with you. for paul ryan to say.
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>> it is astonished, you have the highest elected republican saying, i am not with you right now. the old members of the party, the former presidents, two former presidents and one of their brothers and son, saying, we are not going to endorse you. we are not going to the convention. we won't be involved. it is split into tribes at the moment. i don't know if you bring it back together or it reemerges as something new. there was a moment that trump captured the nomination. this will eventually heal itself, as people took in what it meant. i don't think we know yet what it means. rick perry, as you said, he was so specific, he was one of the first to get rolled by trump it a key surrogate. you have people like paul ryan, focused on the future of the party, and the future of what
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conserveatism mean, i am not sure what this means, saying trump has to come to me. >> covered other republicans to do the same? >> no, i think paul ryan will eventually come around. we heard about the meeting next week. i think there will be unity. i expect him a lot, he used the word unity 27 times, your actions do not speak of unity. you do what rick perry did. if you are a true conservative that is what you do. you don't want to see hillary clinton in the white house. >> why make a public declaration? >> trump supporters to lecture us as to what is a true conservative. conserveatism is a way of life for many of us. it is not something you say, because you think it is envogue
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the entire time. he believes in these principle, you are not going to throw them away, someone who doesn't represent your principles, is now the standard bearer, standard bearer of what? we don't look at donald trump as that standard. >> go ahead. >> i will ask you one thing. i am a conservative too. how does hillary clinton being in the white house help the conservative movement. >> i am not the one who put donald trump here. i won't exploit your youth and inexperience, when true conservatives were fighting in 1994, conservative values like the contract with america. we were fighting for this. we are not going to throw it aside for someone who doesn't
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represent any of those things. >> take away the last 90% of what you said. the first thing, you said, hillary clinton being in the white house doesn't help. you sitting on the sidelines is not conservative. >> that is not true at all. 60% of our republican party did not choose trump. we look at him, he is conning the american people, this is what we have got. by not to support hillary clinton and not to support donald trump is not a vote for hillary clinton. >> if the goal is to get influence over donald trump, shouldn't you embrace him? >> first of all, it is an important comment by the speaker. not just because paul ryan is the spike of of house and the chairman of the conventon, he
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is seen as the intellectual leader. talks about tax reform. he is basically communicating, and i agree with what maggie was saying, divisive comments have to end. stop having a war on republicans, and start training your fire on democrats, i want to see whether or not you from here on in are going to start like a general election candidate. it was interesting to me, i thought, that after crews withdrew, that trump was making comments about cruz's father, saying that his father was involved in the conspiracy of j.f.k., why would you spend your precious media moments attacking someone? for me, donald trump, if he
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believes that he needs to do the rest of the campaign what he has done up to this point to be successful, he will not be successful. >> i assume you think that donald trump pivoted to the general election. he said, i am pivoting to the general election, it has already begun. >> no, here is the thing, donald trump has been making an effort. he extended an overature to paul ryan. they have had discussions, it is paul ryan taking ten steps back. he is trying to get there. you have the establishment, this is what they do. they don't care about the will of the people, we say, we are smarter than you, you made the wrong choice. we will pout and not get behind the choice you made. >> that is a threat. >> i don't understand why does trump continue to fight a battle
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that he thinks he won? why not focus on the future? >> in west virginia right now. >> the republicans, and the rnc, and discounting the views of delegates at the convention, why not put all of that past him, and start the focus on the general election? >> is there any scenario you see paul ryan not supporting donald trump? >> easy to imagine. there is a reason you don't necessarily see him doing what some republican leaders like paul ryan would like to see, which is that donald trump's interest is in getting elected. that doesn't necessarily mean carrying along a lot of the party platform and baggage, party establishment. just the opposite. you look at the math. we will start to look at what the electoral path to victory may look like for trump. start with 2012, 60 electoral
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votes, even if you give him florida and ohio, he has to find other places for support. talk to independents, doing unrepublican things, talking to crossover voters and democrats. >> doesn't it help democrats? if the objective is to defeat hillary clinton, doesn't this help hillary clinton? >> anything that splinters your opponent is a good thing. in this case we see the republican party every moment playing out that it lacks any unity, that it is not going to come together, and even if it does come together, it will be kind of with spit and tape and won't hold together at all. i am not taking donald trump lightly, i would be a fool to do that, but it is a good thing to think about donald trump and the rcc not being in lock step. i like that. # >> fascinating developments. much more ahead this hour and next hour.
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hear the entire interview with speaker ryan. up next, will ryan's announcement be a shot in the arm for the trump movement. the fbi investigation, on hillary clinton's e-mail servicers that is almost over. what they have found? details ahead.
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cycle. >> is there something specific he has done or said that has brought you to this moment? >> well, like i said, i hope to support our nominee support his candidacy fully and i want to do that. right now, i have to tell you, jake, being candid with you, at this point i am not there now. >> gloria borger joins us. the announcement, what are your sources saying how it could impact party unity? >> well, it kind of throws a monkey wrench into it, doesn't it, anderson. this was a stunning, powerful moment with speaker of the house saying i'm not on board, i'm get there. contrasting visions of the future. donald trump is the future of the republican party now. paul ryan also thinks he is the future of the republican party. as house speaker, what he is doing according to my sources is saying to a lot of his republicans i'm giving you a little political cover here.
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you don't have to jump on board right now, and if you don't ever jump on board, you can say look, i am a republican. i am going to vote republican, but you know, i am a paul ryan guy. i agree with the paul ryan agenda. i think the big question is, anderson, when does this end? how does ryan get to yes? he disagrees with donald trump on just about everything. is there some fig leaf that can be applied to get to yes? i don't see that at this time. >> doesn't mean that he wouldn't or couldn't support trump in the future. >> right, it doesn't, but how does he get there because they disagree on every major issue. he has been pretty outspoken about it. i think what he'll probably do is meet with donald trump and try to come up with some kind of agenda that they can agree on, but on basic issues like paul ryan wants to reform, social security, donald trump doesn't want to touch it. on immigration, trade, on every
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issue they kind of disagree. the question is is ryan helping his party, some republicans i talked to say yes, or is he hurting the party by not providing the unity they're looking for. some republicans think that's a problem. >> thanks. joining me former romney campaign manager and dana lash. good to have you both. stewart, what do you make of ryan's comments. does it bolster that never trump movement? >> i think this is a moral choice for a lot of people. i really don't think it is about issues. donald trump is a bigot. i think it is a question of whether or not you think in your heart you can stand with this person and accept what he is saying. thinking about this today. if donald trump were president and appointed bobby jindal to the supreme court, that would be a great moment for indian americans, but because he will ban muslims from entering the
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country and ban people from muslim countries, that means bobby jindal's family, relatives from india couldn't come to the united states to see this moment for their son. it is an absurdity. you cannot support this person and believe in rule of law and that has stood to be an american. >> dana, to ryan's point that trump has work to do, needs to morph into a reaganesque candidate, is that even possible? if he were able to do that, would you be able to support him? >> that's the million dollar question. i wrote one of the editorials in national review, while i am not never trump, i'm almost there. depending how the next few weeks go, who knows. maybe if he treats us fairly. we'll see how it goes. i don't know what he would have to do. remember, paul manafort said we're not going to change donald trump. he has been successful thus far
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you can who he is. roger stone said the same. all surrogates said the same thing. they're saying he is not going to change, i am not quite sure what to expect. i also don't see him doing a lot to build unity. the nominee, it is their responsibility to build unity. he says he's this terrific builder. let's see how good he is, how great he is rebuilding the buildings he has burned. scorched earth politics comes with a consequence. one of those is you have a divided right. >> i get that you don't like donald trump, stewart, but haven't voters spoken, republican voters have spoken, this is the guy that won the nomination. at a certain point, if speaker ryan doesn't want hillary clinton elected, doesn't he have to get on board? >> i think you have to look beyond november, ask what the republican party stands for. charlie sykes, the milwaukee
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talk show host, radio show host has been very articulate on this. to support donald trump, you have to buy into donald trump. you have to say this is what i believe in. i think after november that's a very deadly combination for the republican party. if you don't understand for anything but election, you really don't stand for anything. and donald trump as far as i can see is opposed to just about everything the republican party would like to think it stands for. it is not a sophie's choice moment. you don't have to support one or the other. you have to decide. >> dana, is there something, talk about being treated fairly, is there something trump could do, is it a stylistic thing, tonal, or is it more policy based? >> for me it has always been policy based. i don't really mind political incorrectness so much, i don't to an extent mind the tone. as i laid out in the editorial i
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wrote for "national review" there are certain policy issues that i am concerned. and anderson, people like myself and there are people that have gone on to become never trump, they're not doing it to be malicious or petty. i would love to be proven wrong. i would love to be entirely proven wrong and i would freely admit it if that were the case. i don't have confidence this is the guy to bring the republican party around. he started to pivot not just to the right but moderate position, getting back to paul ryan earlier, he is anticipating this will have a demoralizing effect on republican voter turnout, he is also giving shade to a lot of people in congress coming up for re-election. wants to put daylight between them and trump so people don't think of them as a package deal. he would have to change quite an
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awful lot. i don't think pivoting to be more of a moderate, republicans have protested against that for a long time, i don't think that's the thing to do it. >> dana lash, appreciate you joining us. stewart stevens as well. incredible day and developments. a lot more with the panel ahead. up next, breaking news in the clinton e-mail investigation. we have new details who investigators interviewed and how close they are to wrapping up their work, and what happens next? hvalue of any brand. again. you might find that comforting. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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aides. it is an important moment. it signals they're close to wrapping up the investigation. one major step left for investigators to do is interview secretary clinton and we expect that to happen in the next couple weeks. so far there is a lot of work to be done in the investigation. so far there's no evidence to indicate that clinton willfully violated the law, we are told. clearly setting up the e-mail server should never have been done. this is not the way to handle classified or sensitive government information. but it doesn't meet the threshold to bring charges, at least that's what investigators think. >> she hasn't been interviewed, but aides have. why wouldn't she be among the first interviewed. they hope to gather evidence against her? >> this is how it works in these type of investigations. that's why there are no conclusions. investigators want to see if what she says lines up with the evidence they've already gathered.
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the fbi plans to work with her lawyers to set up this interview which logistically is no small thing, by the way. she's actively campaigning, protected by secret service, followed by campaign press corp. that we expect to happen in the next few. >> one of her staffers set up that e-mail server was granted immunity in early march. do we know what he has provided to investigators? >> he focused on providing technical details about the server, he helped set it up. things like what were security precautions taken. we know logs he turned over to the fbi show there were no signs of hackers getting into the clinton server. good hackers don't leave traces behind. so we know there's more work for the fbi to do here. >> evan perez, thanks very much. back with the panel. whatever the status of the investigation, donald trump is already going after hillary clinton tonight. there's no doubt this will continue to be an issue.
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even if there aren't charges to be brought. donald trump can say the system is rigged, democrats somehow fixed this. >> if it is definitively closed, that will be helpful to hillary clinton to an extent, but the cake is pretty baked on this. a lot of people say as you said, republicans will say this was done essentially to help her. it was a partisan outcome. her supporters will say this vindicates her. what it might allow her to do is move past this, try to focus on issues, not constantly get questions. what i do wonder is whether there will be leaks in the investigation that she keeps getting questioned about going forward. even if nothing comes from it from interviews. she could face questions and her own interview. >> the fact there are leaks, officials saying no evidence at this point, the fact that stuff leaks out, that raises concerns. >> i don't think anything
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definitive is sufficient to stop candidate trump or anybody else from using what they want to use. we have to accept it is just a reality politically that hillary clinton long ago detached criticism of her was long ago detached from any rational reading of the facts. there are lots of maybe reasons to oppose her, but there are books, movies, all kinds of stuff alleging the most lurid things. in this case you have a candidate who has never definitively renounced birtherism against president obama, he is going to be able to say if he chooses say hillary clinton is x, y, and z. he has been saying it through the campaign even 'til now. >> if officials leak out already that seems to help hillary clinton out, that does raise concerns? >> these leaks in these investigations shouldn't happen,
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they can be unpleasant if they're leaked, they're not unusual. i don't think the amount of information the press and public has about where the investigation is at is at all unusual. actually i think it is less than typically gets leaked by the federal authorities. it has actually been fairly tight. the facts as we see them, the investigation is ending soon. that's a good thing for secretary clinton, this being over will be a good thing. and i believe completely when it is over, it will be done and shown no laws were broken. donald trump will say whatever donald trump wants over and over, whether it is the truth or not that secretary clinton can say what she said to date, that she did nothing wrong, there will be a period at the end of that sentence and that will be a good thing.
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>> the clintons try to marginalize problems, we saw it with the monica lewinsky scandal. evan perez says she claims it wasn't willful, it was not a permissible e-mail situation but she didn't know. this is a yale educated lawyer says she doesn't know the law. at best, incompetence, at worst, criminal behavior. >> two prior secretaries of state, one a republican, two prior secretaries of state, one a republican, did the same thing. has she said she shouldn't have done this? >> they did not do the same thing. >> they had private servers in place at the time. >> if the fbi determines she didn't willfully violate the law, is that enough for you? >> no. the house still has things going on, there are lawsuits, foia requests. >> you don't think it will be
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over. >> politically it won't be over, there are hearings and foia requests that have to be answered. they try to say it is over. >> i want to take a look at a video claiming donald trump saying he loves hispanics. more ahead. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. go ahead, embrace those beautiful moments. flonase changes everything.
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don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. trump posted a photo of him enjoying a taco bowl, with happy cinco de mayo with the message he loves hispanics. and clinton campaign posted this video on twitter. >> you're going to have a deportation force. they have to go. >> you promise to deport those in this country illegally, do you stand by that? >> yes, they're going to be deported. >> everything i said i'd do, folks, i'd do.
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>> i'm back with the panel. kayleigh, what did you think about that tweet from donald trump about the taco bowl, cinco de mayo. >> i thought it was a nice tweet, then gets this blow back. can't say he loves a group of people without being hated. he can't do anything right. everyone -- >> without being deported, i don't think love and deportation have an equal sign between them. >> it is mocking a group of people he said he is going to deport, people he called rapists and criminals. it is making a joke out of taking an entire segment of america and villainizing them and stirring up hate against it. i find his opinions horrendous, he has the right to them, but then to make light of them. i find it beyond. >> voted for him in nevada --
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>> 500 hispanics out of 30,000. >> too much being made out of this? >> well, i think it was tasteless. i am a staunch illegal immigration opponent, i worked on that issue a long time on capitol hill. i get that frustration, but it was tasteless. that's like holding up eating fried chicken. what is he doing. he thinks it is funny, ingratiating him to people. it gives fuel to the fire, given past comments to say look at what he's doing. >> for you it is not saying i love hispanics, it is combination of taco bowl, promoting some restaurant in trump tower that sells taco bowls. >> so typical of him. he is a self promoter on top of it. >> i think it is. typical campaign event and the opposition seizes on it, exploits it, tries to run it down. it is done in every campaign. cheap shots.
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honestly in the end who cares. get back, talk about policy. >> i agree with you on that. >> i don't think that he thinks he is being funny or mocking, it is like i'll show you. straight out of a new york city race from the 1970s or '80s. a lot of his political reference points are fairly dated, i think that's what he's doing. i am struck by the video. you have been struck by a lot at how democrats are going at donald trump, they see him as a target rich environment, they can't decide what tone to hit, what targets they're going at. that video was also mocking, light hearted with the music and so forth. two things appear to be in conflict, treating trump as a joke, buffoon, or as if he is a dangerous threat. those two messages seem to be in
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conflict with each other, and i don't get consistency. >> he made a reference to the bill clinton, monica lewinsky situation. i want to play what he said. # >> the clinton administration of which hillary was definitely a part, she was a part of almost everything, almost i say, not everything, almost. terrible. terrible. i didn't think the people of west virginia thought like that. >> do you think trump will continue to bring this up? this is something we're going to be hearing much more about? i asked secretary clinton about it, she said bring it on if he wants to go back in the '90s, there's plenty to talk about. >> seems like he is going to keep bringing it up. he has already done it again tonight in a weird around the
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back doorway there. i think he will keep bringing it up, i agree with the secretary, if he wants to go back and rehash something that was clearly a terrible thing that happened. i am not making any excuses for it and i don't think the secretary is either, then he should keep doing it if that's the best he has. >> more of this, errol? >> one strategist, roger stone, says they have to reacquaint young voters with what happened in the 1990s. those of us that lived through it are probably sick of it, or made up our minds. thus the joke you played. you listen to right wing radio, you get into some circles, it is a punch line about monica lewinsky. a lot of young people don't get it. # they're going to try to relitigate, acquaint them. >> lynn crushed then senator barack obama in west virginia in 2008. this year is a whole different ball game.
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tonight's breaking news, federal officials tell cnn the fbi is near the end of its
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investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails and so far have not found any evidence that secretary clinton willfully violated the law. investigators interviewed some of her closest aides and expect to interview clinton in the coming weeks. the news as they move closer to clenching the nomination. west virginia has a primary tuesday. clinton won by a huge margin in 2008, this time she's trailing bernie sanders, partly because of these remarks in march. >> i am the only candidate who has a policy how to bring economic opportunity, using clean renewable energy as a key in coal country because we are going to put a lot of coal miners and companies out of business. >> she apologized and her comments could hurt her in the general election. if she becomes the nominee, as expected. gary tuckman reports. >> reporter: the coal mines that remain open in west virginia are a small fraction of what used to be open.
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thousands of jobs have been lost. atkins is the county administrator. >> i think we are under attack. >> reporter: it is a war on coal, he believes. the attacker, the white house. we found not far behind on the enemy list here is hillary clinton. >> i am not a fan of hillary clinton. shame on hillary clinton. >> reporter: what's notable that registered democrats outnumber republicans by 6 to 1. anger toward clinton is crossing party lines and increasing because of what she recently declared about the mining industry. >> she meant what she said the first time about getting rid of the coal jobs, shutting down the industry and all that. >> she said she misspoke and apologized. >> she's a politician. what do you expect her to say, you know. >> who will you be voting for? >> trump.
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>> reporter: even before hillary clinton made that statement, she faced an uphill battle here. the republican candidate won the last four general elections in west virginia. the last democrat to win was 20 years ago and that was hillary clinton's husband. bill clinton campaigned for his wife this past sunday in logan county and had his share of protesters show up. we interviewed about 20 registered voters. >> in november if it is trump and clinton, who will you vote for? >> trump. >> reporter: almost all voters, registered democrats. this man, another laid off coal miner. >> i am not voting democrat when i can vote for a president. >> you're voting for? >> trump. >> going for the democrat in november for president? >> not this election. >> voting trump? >> yeah. >> how come? >> i think he's better off for
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coal fields. >> debbie thompson is a registered democrat. >> who do you support for president? >> trump. >> he is not a democrat. >> he is for coal mining, here people live on coal mining. >> reporter: it was not easy to randomly find people that want hillary clinton for president. but we kept looking. >> who are you supporting. >> hillary clinton. >> there are a lot of people that are democrats tell us donald trump. >> i know. >> you know those people. >> yeah. >> why do you want hillary clinton? >> i think she will get the job done for us, for the country. >> why don't you like donald trump? >> i think he is going to make a big mess. >> reporter: that seems to be a minority opinion in what doesn't feel like a majority democratic county. >> it is obviously a big vulnerability in west virginia for hillary clinton. donald trump brought up coal mining in his rally there and brought it up in his victory speech on the night of indiana.
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>> reporter: that's right, anderson. donald trump said he will bring the mines back, get rid of rules and regulations that make it difficult to compete. he went into a conversation about the pennsylvania primary saying miners there are dying to get to work. but i don't know they're as good as west virginia miners. people liked that. when the speech came to an end, last thing he said, miners get ready to go back, work your butts off. he didn't use the word butts, he used a different word. next, jake tapper's one-on-one interview with paul ryan. why the republican leader on capitol hill says he can't endorse donald trump right now.
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