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thanks for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts right now. this is the gop's worst nightmare. i'm don lemon. house speaker paul ryan, in a stunning moment, declines to support donald trump. >> i'm just not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. but i want to. and i think what is required is that we unify this party. >> trump fired back in true trump fashion with a statement saying i'm not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. >> everybody's out, i'm the only one left. that's okay, right? right?
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[cheers and applause] okay. so i hope you're writing all this down. meanwhile, george h.w. bush, george bush, john mccain and mitt romney refusing to attend the gop convention. a battle that threatens to tear the party apart. can the gop be saved? if anybody can explain all this, i would ventura guess that it's gloria borger. i said to the audience, i hope you're writing this down. who would have thought, you've got the speaker paul ryan saying he's not ready to support trump. here's what he told cnn exclusively, and then we'll talk about it. >> i hope to support our nominee, his candidacy fully, and i want to do that, but right now, i got to tell you, jake, just being candid with you, at this point, i'm just not there right now. this man is going to get the
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nomination because he earned it, he deserved it, he got the vote. there's a lesson that we need, he tapped into something in this country that was very powerful. and people are sending a message to washington that we need to learn from and listen to, but at the same time, now that we have a presumptive nominee who is going to be our standard bearer, i think it's very important that our standards would be bared. he will advance the proper role for executive, not only the principles that built this country, but run a campaign that republicans can be proud of and run a campaign that americans can be proud of. >> that interview sending shockwaves across the country. i'm sure your phone is burning up. what are your sources saying to you? >> first of all, it's a stunning development in this interview with jake today, you have the sitting speaker of the house
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who's going to be the chairman of the convention saying to jake tapper, look, i'm not there yet. i'm not there to support the republican nominee. and there isn't one person i've spoken with, by the way, who didn't feel that this was a heartfelt move on behalf of the speaker. this is clearly a speaker who has a vision that he wants to talk to donald trump about, and their visions don't coincide. so the question is, donald trump right now, donald trump's the future of the republican party. he is the republican party nominee, presumptive nominee. and paul ryan is somebody who maybe one day will run for president, and he's the speaker of the house, but they have to be able to get together on some agenda, and you, you know, you heard what, what trump said in his statement, which is that i don't support ryan's agenda. >> let me read it for you, gloria. i'm wondering if this is a
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standoff. donald trump says, i am not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps notice future we could work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the american people. they have been treated so badly for so long that it's about time for politicians to put them first. so go on, standoff here? >> i think the question is, how do you put humpty-dumpty back together? the fact that paul ryan is not ready to endorse donald trump is not going to bother donald trump supporters one bit, okay? it doesn't matter. what's interesting to me this evening is that, i'm talk being to republicans who are saying, you know, he gives some republicans cover, who can say, i will support the republican nominee, but i kind of like the paul ryan agenda, so ina sense, you know, he gives them cover. another thing that's very interesting tonight, don is that you didn't see donald trump go to twitter. and take on paul ryan. you didn't see him challenge paul ryan in his stump speech
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tonight when he was at his rally. you know, he released a statement saying we're going to agree to disagree. and donald trump moved on. and so i think we're seeing -- i know we always say this -- a different donald trump than the one that would have taken to twitter, because he's not running against anybody anymore. >> no twitter tirade but a statement that a traditional politician, but what about the rest of the campaign? how are they reacting? >> i think tonight at a rally our sarah murray reported that while trump didn't say anything, corey lewandowski was gaggling to reporters off-camera, and reporters were asking him whether this was a slap in the face to donald trump, and he said, look, there's the leader of the republican party. and he pointed to donald trump.
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it's not paul ryan. it's donald trump. >> who is it? who is it? >> that's a big question. it depends on which vision you embrace, and i don't think this is an argument that republicans really want to be having right now. but i do think at some point, and i was speaking to somebody this evening who's a friend of paul ryan's, and he said that he believes eventually he'll get to yes, but that he wants to talk to trump about what it is they can agree on. and so, you know, rience preeb priebus is going to set up this meeting and see what they have in common, and i think what you heard paul ryan say is we want our standard bearer to share our standards or something to that effect. you know, paul ryan has come out and said that the temporary ban on muslims is wrong. so i think that you're going to see him talk to donald trump a little bit about the big tent
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republican party. and see where they can agree. but heading into the convention, this isn't a great thing for republicans. >> it is fascinating, to say the least. hey, gloria, would you stand by? i need you in the next conversation with the next two gentlemen joining us. welcome to the broadcast, guys. so john, trump supporters are saying that this is another example of the republican establishment completely out of touch with voters. are they right? >> well, i think you have to understand the context of the race. i'm not an analyst. i'm a strategist. so i look at how you win. and the playing field for the republicans to win the presidential is not great. you either have to pick up more hispanics, more single women, more blue collar democrats or more independents. trump is playing to the independents and blue collar democrats. so, in an ironic way, i think
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this is probably as helpful to trump as it is harmful. >> david, i'm on so much cold medication, so please forgive me. >> we're seeing this power play out. will it be on washington to get on trump's platform or vice versa? >> i think it has to be a meeting of the minds. i think paul ryan's doing something very smart. he has some leverage here. he isconvention. will paul ryan endorse him then? it's going to be very dramatic. but i think what he's doing is using his leverage to rein trump in. both on tone, but also on the substance. you've got to move off this idea you're going to ban every muslim. you can't deport 11 million
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people. your supporters are not voting for you for those reasons anyway. we have seen this in the past in the republican party, in fact both parties. when there are two power brokers going on, there's some wreck sill yeah tory meeting to see if you can put together an agreement that both sides can support, and i think ryan, if he had endorsed him right away, he would have had no leverage over trump's tone. and others will join in that and trump, in many ways needs paul ryan more than paul ryan needs trump. >> yes, and that was -- you can explain why, explain why that is. i agree with you. but explain to our viewers why that is. >> well, because, if trump goes down, and as long as the republicans can hold house, they haven't gone back wwards, they' blown what could have been an
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opportunity, and paul ryan can continue to build the future of the republican party and trump will be rejected. on the other hand, trump has a lot to lose. this is his shot. if he doesn't make it this time, it's over. he needs paul ryan, he needs a united party. he's got to unite the party and then reach out to independents and disaffected democrats. but he's got to get that first circle closed to have any prayer of bringing in democrats and independents. >> can anyone rein in donald trump? i mean, even some of the people he brought in, you know, they can't even rein him in. can paul ryan do that? >> our first instints is, here's what he should do, he should look presidential, go with a teleprompter. all these things. the things we have to understand, donald trump cannot win a choice election. donald trump can win a movement election, and the way you win a movement election is to throw
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the playbook out, change the dynamics. we're trying to give advice to a guy who just kicked the butts of 17 candidates in a republican nomination. >> i agree with john on that. i think this election is not going to be so much about persuasion as it is about mobilization. you're going to have to mobilize and get out your voters. donald trump has done a really good job of that so far, getting out his voters. >> to mobilize the voters, it's important to mobilize your party. >> hillary clinton will -- >> and two nominees staying out of the convention, that makes a mess, and the press is going to play on that, the division for just forever. >> i will tell you that hillary clinton will mobilize republican voters, and you know that donald trump will mobilize -- >> absolutely. >> -- will mobilize democratic voters. the problem, the republicans i talked to today shais the quest where does this end? how can paul ryan reconcile his
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vision for the republican party with donald trump's vision? and there, you know, they don't have a lot in common. it's, you know, it's not only, you know, it's not only the question of muslims. it's a question of immigration. it's a question of trade. it's a question of entitlement reform. if you go issue, by issue, by issue, how can they reconcile? it can't be about the issues. what it has to be is something larger that three can agree on about the presentation the republican party wants to make to voters in this country overall and how inclusive the party wants to be. >> the philosophy. >> it could be about philosophy and tone. >> all right, all right. >> the tone. >> stand by, everyone. >> it is about tone and principle. >> gloria, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> i want you to stick around. when we come back, two former presidents and two nominees say they are skipping the gop convention all because of donald
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doing it. there have been a lot of republicans in the last few days that have come out, bobby jindal, rick perry, who have all said they're going to support donald trump. i want to go back to something david said that i think is important. the calculus for trump to win does get involve basically getting every vote mitt romney got last time and some additional blue collar drms aems and independents. it's challenge for donald trump. >> paul ryan can help him with that, correct? >> oh, absolutely can, and i would be shocked if at the end of the day paul ryan's not there. what paul ryan's saying is, you're going to do it on my terms, not your terms. >> let's talk about what john
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just said. on the one hand, you have the past two republican nominees and past two republican presidents saying no thanks. what does all this mean. >> i agree with everything he just said. i thought it was right on the mark. and i think that donald trump really ought to listen to the underlying tone of what paul ryan said, and that is, everybody needs to show a little humility here, and i think that includes -- he's in a position as a victor to be gracious here. and i think for him to go visit paul ryan would be a very, very smart idea. and i think at some point, he's going to have to go pay the bushes a visit. it's very personal to them because of what happened to jeb. and i think that donald trump needs to reach out in a way that shows he's a larger man than people think he is. he's done a fantastic job
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mobilizing his voters. everybody agrees with that. any number of people i've talked to, they're saying, wow, this guy came out of nowhere and won this? he's got something going for him, and they're excited about it, but he's got to bring the rest of the party with him. and that's done by persuasion, not bombast. >> how do you do that without seeming like you're capitulating? >> one of the things that i thought ronald reagan was so successful as a leader was he stuck to his principles. everyone knew he was still ronald reagan, but he was extremely gracious at reaching out across the aisle, including people in the white house and government who didn't agree with him on every issue. i happened to be there. i wasn't as conservative as he was. but he welcomed me in. he made it a big tent, and donald trump has got to do that. i think can create something here. he can surprise all of us.
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he goes as an underdog, but the truth of it is, he could still win this election. but he has to do certain things. you can't just kick people around and assume they're going to get together with you. >> is there he anything he can do to turn off the people who support him? if he does this, they mayay why are you doing this? why are you kowtowing to the speaker of the house? he's the establishment, and that's what we don't want. >> these aren't people who waited their whole life to wait for donald trump. these are people who have been very frustrated for a long time, felt disenfranchised from the process, and basically, they're channeling that frustration through him, because he has a big megaphone. these are people who want to see change, and they believe that he is ah then continue enough and believe in him that he will do what he says if they do indeed think he's doing this for political manipulation or selling out or anything like
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that, they will leave him very quickly. >> what about this idea -- >> he can be in a position, he can be in a position where h is a representative of the people who are angry, and he comes in and says, paul, you have to understand where the electorate is coming from. you have to work with me on this. i'll work with you, but you've got to work with me on some things. that's what a leader does. this party is not going to come together naturally. he has to be the one in bringing it to the. reagan proved you can do that. others have involvproved you ca that. >> and that's important. there needs to be this message from tapping into this frustration and using it in a republican primary to now changing it to being something more hopeful and more visionary about how we going to make america great again and get people around that, and there needs to be some kind of a positive message transition that we'll start seeing. >> the idea of a third party, is that all talk and no momentum?
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you know, this whole never trump movement, how realistic or unrealistic is that, david gergen? >> i think it's unrealistic. i don't think you are going to find anybody who can take the nomination away from him, and after that convention, it's way too late. >> you hand it over to hillary clinton if she's indeed the nominee. >> you can hand it over if you don't, i think you have to put the party back together. as john said, he needs every romney voter plus a whole lot more. >> john? >> i think what you have to understand is, for all practical purposes, donald trump is a third party candidate, because is he not running as a quintessential republican candidate, and that has great benefits if you can pull it off and still get the republican vote. that's the question to be seen, but this never trump, i think is never more at this point, because i think you're going to see a lot of people jumping onto
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the trump bandwagon, and it's already happened in the last two days. >> i want you to take at this. this is a new anti-trump add that hillary clinton is running. take a look at this. >> if you are to mock a reporter with a disability. >> i don't remember! >> planned parenthood should absolutely be defunded. >> how do you ban abortion. >> you go back to a position they had where people will maybe go to illegal places. >> should they be punished? >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> i don't know anything about white supremacists. >> knock the crap out of him, would you? i'd like to punch him in the face. >> so she isn't wasting anytime going after donald trump. and here's what the rnc communications director, ron spicer, said. support of a third party, and you say donald trump is already a third party, but support of somebody besides donald trump is support of hillary clinton and then she's got that ammunition
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as well, so this is -- >> well, first of all, that ad was targeted towards moderate republican women in my opinion. and what they are trying to do, and i think the clinton campaign will do this is try to cherry pick and divide the most mobile swing republican voters and see if they can turn them against trump, and if they do, he's going to have a big problem. >> thank you, guys. appreciate it. we're just getting started. the conversation continues right after this break. don't go anywhere.
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order another pizza! and watch on! [ cheering ] don't wait a whole year for xfinity watchathon week to return. upgrade now to add the premium channel of your choice so you can keep watching. call or go online today. political earthquake in the republican party. house speaker paul ryan telling cnn that he is not ready to throw his support behind donald trump, the likely nominee, here to discuss is our panel. also conservative political analyst, amy holmes. peter, hello, everyone, by the way. what's your reaction to paul ryan, by the way? >> it's remarkable. he didn't have to do this. he could have punted until trump came down to washington. a big part of this is paul ryan
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is trying to protect that house majority. we are now in a situation where donald trump's numbers are so terrible that he puts not only the senate in jeopardy for the republican party but the house as well. and i think one of the things that ryan is calculating is that he is giving other house republicans cover as they feel that they don't want to endorse donald trump that maybe that gives them a better chance of saving their seats. >> so he's saying, look, you have to do this if you want to save the republican party and if you want to save our majority, correct? >> i think he believes that he doesn't want everything to go down in the massive bonfire that is the trump candidacy. he wants there still to be a republican party in washington afterwards that can rebuild. he doesn't want a situation where the republicans have lost the senate, the house and essentially the supreme court all in one election. >> you looked pained. >> this is a candidate that has the most votes of the republican
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party. >> of any nominee in history. >> first of all, i do not have a candidate. >> oh, peter, you have a candidate. >> i am genuinely torn between bernie sanders and hillary clinton if you want to know the answer. but his ratings are absolutely unprecedented. >> you know what's unprecedented on the democrat side, she's undergoing a criminal investigation by the fbi, but the democrats don't have a problem with that. that is so crazy to me, that there's no unity problem there when she's undergoing this investigation. but what paul ryan did today was unprecedented. it was wrong. if you care at all about the conservative movement, your goal should be keeping hillary clinton out of the white house. what do you do? you divide your own party. he should have done what rick perry did. that's the responsible thing to do. >> who's the leader, paul ryan or donald trump? >> they're both leaders.
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paul ryan will be presiding over the convention in cleveland. >> donald trump may be the future of the republican party. they both say they're not ready to support each other. this is how donald trump responded. he said i'm not ready to support speaker ryan's agenda. perhaps in the future we can come to an agreement about what is best for the american people. they have been treated so badly for so long it's about time for politicians to put them first. so, can the two be united? >> they could be. and peter, i think you're right in a number of respects as to why paul ryan made the statement. thi he's giving cover to those who may have to go their own way. but he's also saying i'm not ready yet, that he's playing
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ft fo fo footsie. and those who did not vote for donald trump and who are skeptical, he's saying, i get you, this is where i'm at, but it could be that he could move toward donald trump. >> his motivation, political, not in a bad way, it's not personal. this is a political motivation in order to help the party. >> i think it's also a moment for him to sort of channel this catharsis for republicans themselves who are not ready for donald trump. >> what do you expect donald trump is going to do, even if you had a great meeting and he said things about how he's not going to be insulting or incite violence at his rallies. do you have any faith that he's going to keep to that at the next day? >> as we know, donald trump is his own man and runs his mouth and twitter feed as he sees fit, but paul ryan does have a lot of power in terms of those rules,
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delegates, who gets to speak on the floor. so donald trump does need to do business with paul ryan. >> does ryan risk sounding out of touch with the voters? >> yes, and that's the whole point here. we see ryan coming out against trump or at least not supporting him yet. this is the thing. trump represents the electorate who feels betrayed by their party. we chose this person because we are rejecting leadership. they didn't get their way. and now what is so strange to me is they're using conservatism as a shield, they're saying this guy isn't conservatism enough, yet they brought in mccain who was for cap and trade, they were for romney who laid out the plan for obamacare on a micro level in commute. >> i thi massachusetts. >> i think they believe he's a decent, honorable human being. they were able to overlook
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ideological differences. i think paul ryan does not respect him as a man. >> will he stick to six months from now if i were to be in the white house, but i would also make the point, politics is a game of addition, not substrax. and donald trump needs to add to his numbers, so it doesn't behoove him or help him to say i don't need paul ryan, yes, you do. you need every vote. >> the cnn poll that i am came yesterday, 76% of people believe washington does not represent their views. which is why people like senator sanders, and like donald trump. i'm saying the system is rigged. >> he needs help to get across the finish line, tactically and ideologically.
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>> isn't it amazing that we get anything accomplished considering how this process works? >> it is amazing. >> there's a false egive lens. if you look at the polls of those who won't support hillary clinton. the percent was about 8% who said they wouldn't support hillary clinton. the ones who wouldn't support donald trump was about 20%. even if it drops by half, you're still talking about a much more divided republican party. the democrats will coalesce around hillary clinton. >> they may get on board eventually, but let's face it. hillary clinton just a lost to bernie sanders in indiana. democratic voters are still expressing -- >> and she beat barack obama in many of the primaries in 2008. >> not everybody believes that a third party is out of the question. so we're going to discuss that and more next. don't go anywhere. (announcer) need to hire fast?
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all right, so back with me now, amy, do you think paul ryan just opened the door to a third party? >> no, i don't think he did. and it's certainly not in his interest as the house speaker of the republican party to launch a third party candidate. ross perot was the most successful third party candidate in history, and he only got about 18%. so i doesn't think a third party would be successful, and it might just pult hillary clinton in the white house, which republicans don't want. >> it's a vote for hillary clinton, absolutely. if are you a conservative, it pains me to no end saying i'm a conservative, therefore i'm not voting trump. that makes no sense, because you're letting hillary clinton get into the white house. >> does it help democrats? >> yeah, if you look
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historically, divided parties typically don't win the white house. it's much harder to win when you're a divided party. the republican party is much more divided at this stage than any major political party has been in my lifetime. so yeah, it puts them in a very weak position. >> texas governor rick perry endorsed trump tonight. said he would be open to any way to help the party, being open to a vp nomination as well. >> what rick perry did is what everyone does in history. you have a nominee, you support the nominee. i never thought i would say i love mitch mcconnell, but tonight i'm saying it. >> here's what mitch mcconnell said. he issued a statement saying he would support trump. i am committed to supporting the nominee chosen by republican voters. republicans are committed to
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preventing a third term of barack obama. as the presumptive nominee, he has the obligation to unite the party around our goal. you're happy about that, but you also said that you want marco rubio. you would like marco rubio. why is that? >> that's the ultimate sign of unity, to have someone that he had bitter fights with come and stand next to and say i support this person. he brings youth to the ticket. marco rubio can bring those people into the fold. he brings energy. he's excellent. >> trump says he, meaning trump, has the opportunity and obligation to unite the party. do you think trump sees it that way? >> clearly he doesn't where he says i don't need that kind of elite help, basically, brushing them off. but mcconnell saying he wants trump to come around to gop principle, gop ideological
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outlook. but a lot of these politicians, you see this clever little wording that they say that they will support trump, but they don't endorse trump, that's what nikki haley was talking about. >> they don't like to say trump's name, we support the nominee. as if people are wondering who the nominee is. >> who could that be? >> is it because, you know, you said trump is his own man, and he runs his own mouth and his own twitter feed, it's because of that, it's because of the. >> it's also because he think he's going to get creamed. if they just disagreed with this guy, but they thought there was an good likelihood that he woul be president, this would be a different calculation. but you're talking about a guy who i think genuinely they don't think is fit to be president, because he lies inses thely, and he doesn't know basic facts about our government, and secondly, they think he's going to get killed. why would somebody like marco rubio want to get on a train like that. >> he's not going back to
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washington. so he needs a new job. >> he needs a new job. i don't think it will be this one. >> the same people who are the nay sayers now were the nay sayers in july saying donald trump never has a shot. now they're saying -- >> the primary's much different. >> in the republican party, were you operating in an essentially all-white, political environment. it is a radically different environment than when you enter a country where the latino population is growing, and the african-american and asian population. it's a completely different environment when you lied tead republican party. >> let's not forget that hillary clinton could be quite a unifying factor for republicans and conservatives, once it's now, you know, a one man-one woman race. >> it will focus people's attention. >> i think peter's underestimating the intangibles of donald trump. hillary clinton has a history of
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losing elections she should win against barack obama and bernie sanders. >> listen to donald trump in west virginia tonight. >> they're all taking our jobs, folks. that's all going to change very rapidly, i promise. [cheers and applause] but the miners don't want to leave anyway, is that right? you want to stay here. you want to open the mines. i siee over here, trump digs coal. that's true. i do. so i've always been fascinated by it, the whole sequence of doing it. it's incredible the engineering that's involved and the safety and all that's taken place over the last number of years. >> clearly a direct shot at hillary clinton who was basically inferring that the coal mining system, that those
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jobs they must evolve. but that was a direct shot at hillary clinton. >> right. i will say this. donald trump will win west virginia. you know, west virginia is the kind of state where the democratic party has been just obliterated. what you've seen is as the dr c democratic party has done much, much worse with low-educated voters. those states, barack obama was, extremely unpopular. hillary clinton will be extremely unpopular. the good news to the democratic party is that they're doing very well with rising demographic groups like younger people, single women and latinos. >> you're talking about identity politics. hillary clinton said she would put coal miners out of work and coal out of business. >> got to run. that's got to be the last word. thank you by the way, everyone. donald trump promising to make america great again, but will the art of the deal work in the white house?
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mark preston, cnn politics executive editor. good evening to both of you. evan first. as president, donald trump promises to make america great again, beginning with jobs. here he is in west virginia tonight. >> the jobs are going to everyone else but us. we're sending our jobs to mexico, japan, they are he an a -- all taking our jobs. that's going to change very rapidly, i promise. we will start winning, winning, winning, rahn and are you goinge very proud. and for you miners, get ready, you will be working your asses off. >> he will put them on notice if they move jobs out of the country, he will hit them with big tariffs. >> he could set up a global
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trade war. the worse thing he could do is erect tariffs and cause a trade war and have people cut off their trade with us. that would be a disaster. >> this resonates with his base, a strong leader who's going to fight for american jobs? >> and we saw that in west virginia today. we're going to get you back to work, and you're going to work your asses off. these are folks that had been out of work. and what donald trump is doing is offering very little if any sbi specifics, but he's offering this tough-fighting rhetoric and hope. >> his foreign policy, america first. how do you read that slogan? is this isolationism?
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>> this comes from the 1940s, which was isolationist. he did a foreign policy speech where he talked about making america first but the greatness that america did how it saved the world in world war ii. while it is an interesting language that he's using, if you look at the historical context, it goes against everything he's sayi saying. >> we sat here with great lines like fareed zakaria, what's your take on this? >> i think trump is all over the placement place -- he's saying whatever comes out of his mouth. he seems to want to cut off the world as far as trade goes, wants to cut off our alliances, that sounds isolationist. but he also says he's going to smash isis. so who knows what he's going to do. i think he's making it up as he goes along.
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>> i want to talk about something you wrote. donald trump has been widely criticized for his foreign policy flaws. but they say his cabinet does not have room for elites hike these. as much as his neoisolationism frightens our allies, it is mr. trump's anti-establishment stance that most threatens international security as even nixon recognized as a global power in the late 19th century, america has relied on a highly-trained corps of diplomats, worldly financiers and academics to steer it straight. get rid of them and mr. trump seems intent on doing and chaos will follow. >> it's simply true that the united states has created a world that's fostered stability, kept us out of world war.
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we're all here. a huge, giant global economy. they've by and large gotten it right for a long time. it takes skill and expertise to do that. amateurs can't do that. to deal with countries that nuclear weapons and complicated trade deals, every president, including people who railed against the elite, like richard nixon. >> richard nixon -- >> understood that. >> he had harvard types in his cabinet. so what do you think a donald trump cabinet will look like? as you said, he railed against that, but he had them in his cabinet. >> what you're talking about is the glue that keeps everything together. and while it is not optimal, and they do make a lot of mistakes. it is what keeps everything together. donald trump, in a lot of ways,
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he's making things up when he goes along. let's assume he does win the presidency. i'm fairly certain it's not going to be a radical change. he's going to hire people who know what they're doing and they're going to go into cabinet positions and washington's not going to change that much. a presidency does not alter washington. we saw that with barack obama. i haven't seen a presidency turn washington on its head. >> thank you gentlemen. appreciate it. when we come right back, donald trump celebrates cinco dd demayo as only he could and stirs up trouble. de mayo as only he could and stirs up trouble.
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paul ryan drops a bomb on donald trump, this is "cnn tonight", i'm don lemon. the house speaker is just not in to donald trump. not yet anyway. he says he can't support his party's nominee, and trump says he can't support his agenda. who will come out on top in the gop's civil war, and can the party be saved. plus, hillary clinton has more to deal with than just bernie sanders. the fbi interviewing huma abedin. soon they'll interview hillary clinton herself. but

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