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thanks for joining us. "ac 360" with john berman starts right now. >> good evening. i'm john berman in for anderson. the beast is still up. it's surrounding the city. those ominous words a direct quote from the fire chief who had to evacuate his entire city. the swath of canada is literally burning to the ground. this is what people are fleeing. >> oh, my god! our house is gonna burn down. >> we've got the cats. is mom out?
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yes, she's gone. she's ahead of us. >> the woman who shot that video and posted on facebook, erica decker is safe tonight with her family. they have lost their home, though. we'll go live to that scene just ahead. we do begin with breaking news. donald trump has a new message for house speaker paul ryan. this is what the people want. this being trump. ryan's office announced today that he and trump will meet next thursday. that is after ryan dropped the bombshell saying he can't support trump, at least not yet. now trump has a new take on that. in an interview that just aired on abc news, george stephanopoulos asked trump about the ryan stalemate. >> talk about paul ryan. >> okay. >> he says you have to earn his support. >> i really think i earned the support from the people. we've gotten more votes than anybody in this position that's ever run for the office. and you look at the republican
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primary votes. millions and millions of people came in that nobody expected and they voted for me. >> what are you going to tell him in that meeting? >> look, this is what the people want. >> jeb bush just said he's not going to vote for you. >> i understand jeb bush. i was rough with jeb bush. if i was jeb bush, i wouldn't vote for me either. >> trump is on the campaign trail at a rally in omaha. trump also had this to say about paul ryan. >> paul ryan, i don't know what happened. i don't know. he call me two, three weeks ago. a very nice conversation. he was congratulating me. this is before we had the ultimate victory. i figured routinely he'd be behind it. and he the other day just -- >> those comments come as the rift gets deeper as more prominent republicans say they'll not vote for the presumptive nominee, much less endorse him or campaign for him. senator lindsey graham is the
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latest voice to join the heck no chorus saying he thinks the republican party has been in his word conned. jeff zeleny joins us now from omaha. what did trump have to say about lindsey graham's comments today? he really spared few words. >> he did, john. took him about 12 minutes to go after lindsey graham which is probably showing restraint for donald trump's usual sort of mean of speaking. remember that unity pledge all the other candidates signed hoping it would keep donald trump in the party? now the others who signed it are being called out for that. that was in donald trump's mind there. he went after lindsey graham aggressively for changing up his positions, his supporters throughout the race. let's listen to what trump said just a little bit ago. >> he fails with his campaign horribly. he then endorses somebody else and then endorses bush and endorses everybody. he's like bad luck. as soon as he endorses the people, they drop out. and then i see him on television
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knocking me. you're supposed to be coming together. >> and then in the next breath he also talked about jeb bush saying i'm not going to say he's low energy but he's low energy. familiar refrains but also took a bit of a swipe at president george w. bush saying he's not surprised the bush family is not signing on with him because he's been so critical of what happened during the bush administration. >> he told george stephanopoulos, if i were jeb bush, i wouldn't vote for me either. this meeting next week between donald trump and paul ryan. what more can you tell us about that? >> one is going to be with speaker ryan and congressional lead irs and donald trump. and that's going to be a time for these congressional leaders to have their say. as we've seen from what donald trump is talking about, he doesn't frankly care what they think. he believes he has the voters behind him. just hearing this one crowd here in conservative red nebraska, he's right about that. the crowd booed as loudly when he mentioned paul ryan's name as
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hillary clinton's name here. so he goes into that meeting with some support. of course he wants a unified party here but then he's having a private meeting with speaker ryan and reince priebus whose job is to keep this all together. donald trump has his voters on his side. the question is can he expand and bring in all republicans, never mind independents and moderates who he actually needs to win the election. >> jeff zeleny in omaha. thanks, jeff. joining us new york city councilman joseph boreli, tara setmayer and michael smerconish, host of "smerconish" which you can see this saturday on cnn. michael, these lines are being drawn now ever more, i think, solidly. we heard donald trump essentially say i'm going to tell paul ryan listen to the voters. the voters picked me. so if he goes into that meeting with that message, how do they come out of that meeting with any agreement? >> it's gotten him this far.
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he's had more than 10.6 million individuals cast a ballot for him. it's about 40% of the votes cast thus far. but he loses unless he grows to 10. he's trailing hillary by 13 according to the latest cnn/orc poll. he's viewed disfavorably by a stunning number of republicans and it's time to put this team together. i think paul ryan has unintentionally done him a favor. he's given him the opportunity to come in, have a conversation, negotiate if you will because there are many who feel like ryan feels. they are unhappy about the fact that donald trump is their standard bearer, but he needs them. it's in both of their best interests if they can put it together. >> tara, why should he move? why should they move? he won, right? lindsey graham, jeb bush, along those same lines say they'll not vote for donald trump. they signed a pledge saying they would. they are the ones breaking the pledge. is this topsy-turvy? >> the pledge thing is silly actually but, yes, donald trump
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won 40%. y he won 10 million votes but 15 million people did not vote for him. close to 60% -- >> how this election works is you have to finish first. >> i understand that. donald trump says the people want me. the people want me. he's not winning a majority of the people. he's winning a plurality. a lot of people don't want him. a lot of people in the general electorate that do not want him. he keeps saying the people. he's not winning a landslide. ronald reagan was -- had a 70%, 80% approval -- 78% of people voting for him at this race. this is not an overwhelming mandate. he was the last man standing after 17 people. donald trump, when you run for office, you are a servant, right? you are supposed to be a public servant of the people. if there's a large swath of the party you claim to represent that have legitimate concerns about where you stand on issues that are gravely important to them, then it should be your job to earn their vote. you don't just say too bad.
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i'm installing myself like some dictator and -- >> he ran against 16 other people and he beat them. but councilman, what about tara's point and michael's point. you can't win an election if you don't have your own party behind you. that includes like the actual leaders of that party, the speaker of the house. seems it's tough to win without him. >> i think tara has it backwards. the onus should be on the party establishment, the party elite, people like paul ryan to respect the will of the voters. we had a process. 17 people. everyone got to support their candidates and run their campaign as hard as they could. donald trump won. he's got more votes than any republican nominee has previously gotten. he's earned the support of the votes. he has a whole deck of cards to play in this negotiation with paul ryan. paul ryan has none. >> not a majority. >> i want to get to one other thing. one other candidate or noncandidate getting involved in this race. president obama today was asked
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about donald trump. listen to what he said. >> i just want to emphasize the degree to which we are in serious times and this is a really serious job. this is not entertainment. this is not a reality show. this is a contest for the presidency of the united states. and what that means is that every candidate, every nominee needs to be subject to exacting standards and genuine scrutiny. >> this is a fight the president is itching to have. you can just tell. is this a fight that donald trump, though, is itching to have? >> interestingly it will mobilize the base of donald trump, that core constituency. if president obama is out there taking on donald trump, that's like throwing meat into the water for the sharks, right? but it doesn't, again, help donald trump expand the tent
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because the president's approval numbers, you've watched them as they are climbing. at the white house correspondents dinner as you anchored the post last week noting when donald trump and ted cruz are getting all the attention, what happens? president obama sees his numbers rise. so i think there's a role for him to play. he'll be the most important surrogate in this election. what's at stake is he believes his legacy. you can count on him to be an activist. >> stand by. a lot more to talk about with you after a quick break. what do you think about donald trump getting access to classified information? that will happen fairly soon. we'll have much more about when, why next. also speaking of intelligence operations, stay tuned for the 360 special that takes you inside the mission to get osama bin laden. this has details you've never heard before with exclusive access to the white house. allergies.
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donald trump says he doesn't have to earn house speaker paul ryan's support because he has the voters. in an interview with abc news and george stephanopoulos, he said, quote, this is what the people want. meanwhile, trump is in all likelihood about to get a major education on the state of the world and possibly get has hands on classified information. as is tradition, the white house expects intelligence officials to brief trump after he is the official nominee. trump's foreign policy plan such as they are have included bombing the hell out of isis and making america great again. his information about foreign policy, remember back in august, trump said on "meet the press" most of it comes from watching tv. >> who do you talk to for military advice right now? >> well, i watch the shows. i really see a lot of great -- when you watch your show and all of the other shows and you have the generals and certain people that -- >> is there a go-to for you? >> probably there are two or three. >> every presidential candidate has a go-to. >> probably two or three.
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i like bolton. he's a tough cookie. jacobs. >> ambassador john bolton? >> yes. >> colonel jack jacobs? >> yes. he's a good guy and i see him on occasion. >> joining me now, jim sciutto. so, jim, when is donald trump going to be briefed, and what type of information is he expected to receive? >> these briefings, they take place after the nominating convention for both the republican and democratic nominee once it's clear that they are the nominee. and generally they'll get information about threats to national security. they'll get the information but they don't get what the intelligence community calls sources and methods and how that information was gathered. that tends to be the most secret intelligence reserved for the highest level security clearances. at that point neither nominee will have that level of security clearance. >> who will do the briefings? >> director of national intelligence james clapper. he doesn't do it himself but he
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has said he's already appointed a nonpolitical intelligence agent to do this. of course, the most senior intelligence directors, they are appointed by the president. of course a democratic president. he's chosen someone in the service, a civil servant who is not a political appointee. >> are politics at play? will both candidates receive exactly the same information? >> they say they have a commitment. clapper said this publicly. a commitment to getting both a democratic and republican nominee the same. now what will happen so they both get it after the nominating convention at a certain level once the election happens and you have a president elect. then a more intensive briefing. that's what happens because it's clear that person is going to be the next president. >> that's a whole different ball game. jim sciutto, thanks so much. back now with new york city councilman and co-chair of trump's new york campaign and tara setmyer and michael
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smerconish. do you think donald trump is prepared for what's coming next? >> absolutely not. honestly, i don't think donald trump would pass a security clearance if he were trying to get a top secret clearance given his history and reckless things he's said and a lot of his questionable financial dealings. i question whether he'd even pass a security clearance. but this is a guy who repeats conspiracy theories. he talks about national enquirer stories as if they are fact. so we'll trust him with the secrecy and importance of intelligence briefings? this is something people need to consider. this is one of many -- >> how are we -- >> -- concerns of people like me in this position. >> how is she questioning the fitness of donald trump to receive classified information in a briefing given to every prezumptsive nominee when the presumptive democratic nominee is under federal investigation for not being responsible with classified information. >> he just repeated a conspiracy theory about john f. kennedy's assassination and a --
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>> she leaked actual classified information via her e-mail which is far more worse. >> we're not -- we're talking about donald trump, not hillary clinton. i agree with you on her. >> on the hillary clinton thing, cnn has been talking to officials who say right now there's no evidence that hillary clinton willfully violated any law. but they will question her and that could change. right now that's where that situation stands. you know donald trump's son. is he capable of discretion? you hear the snickers out there saying he can't keep a secret. do you think he'd be able to? >> i think the weight of the office is taking hold in him. he realizes he's in a position now he's never been in. he can't speak off the cuff as much as he'd like to and has been beneficial to him in the primary season. the weight of the office is great. and we can't just assume that all these nominees can digest the weight of national intelligence. >> so not only -- >> they have experience.
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>> and that's not an elitist -- >> michael, the quiet man in the middle. the commander in chief test for any presidential candidate is a big deal, right? is it different for donald trump? >> this is what the peaceful transference of power looks like. and if this is what the protocol demands, then donald trump ought to get the briefing. it will probably make him a more intelligent candidate. perhaps we'll all benefit from the conversation that will result. >> he can definitely use the briefing. if anyone read the editorial interviews he did with "the washington post," it was scary how completely incoherent his understanding of the world is and foreign policy. asked questions about how he would defeat isis or different questions about nuclear weapons in europe, he deflected and started telling one of the editorial board members about how nice you look today. these are things that he has up to this point demonstrated absolutely no ability to retain that information. and so, yes, i question whether
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he takes this seriously or not. the weight of the office is very serious. he's done nothing to demonstrate that thus far. >> bottom line, he's got to get the briefing. it's in everybody's best interest he be equipped because he could win this thing. >> guys, i appreciate it. a very spirited discussion on a friday night. an intelligence mission carried out by president obama and his team that happened five years ago now this week. the mission that killed osama bin laden. we'll take you behind the scenes. peter bergen got unprecedented access to the white house. this is a quick preview. >> once the s.e.a.l. team arrived, the president and his advisers crowded into a smaller room across the hall where they could watch a live drone feed of the raid. >> why did you come into this room? >> well, this is where we actually had a live view of what was happening. and so as you can see, it's a
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pretty small conference room. we were all jammed up in here. one of our key guys was sitting here. i was sitting here in my windbreaker. gates was there and hillary. and we were essentially watching what was happening in realtime. >> stay tuned for the ac 360 special "we got him -- president obama, bin laden and the war on terror. that's coming up at 8:30. straight ahead the monster wildfire burning out of control in canada. the blaze is growing. thousands of people have fled their homes this week. they're now being forced farther south by these flames.
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a major wildfire is burning in the northwest. the images just apocalyptic like a war zone is the phrase we keep hearing over and over from those forced from their homes. tens of thousands now have fled. the city of ft. mcmurray devastates. tonight people have already fled the walls of fire are once again on the move. here's dan simon with the latest from alberta. >> reporter: flames and smoke filling the sky as the convoy of danger zone.sidents flee the - >> what have these last few days been like? >> hell on earth. just like hell. >> reporter: and the scenes are hellish. the fire that started five days ago is still out of control. and for the displaced, it's gone from bad to worse. because food and water is running low, canadian authorities moving some 25,000
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people from camps. a double evacuation. >> what was it like being in the camp? >> hard. they rationed food. low water. people were upset because they don't know what's going on. >> reporter: the fire has burned nearly 250,000 acres, more than ten times the size of manhattan. in one of the more remarkable surveillance videos ever captured, a homeowner could watching his own house go down in flames only 20 minutes after evacuating. 1600 structures, including homes and businesses destroyed. the heaviest damage in ft. mcmurray. a resident films his burned out neighborhood after seeing it for the first time. >> this is my house. it was my house. ashes are cool now. nothing left. it's gone. >> oh, my god! our house is going to burn down. >> reporter: a woman's
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desperation as she drives by the flames destroying her community. residents are greeted by fuel trucks with gas stations either destroyed or down due to power outages. fuel is a precious commodity. >> makes a guy feel good to help these people because they've been through so much loss and devastation. >> dan simon joins us now. all those cars you saw in that convoy, where are they going? >> well, john, first of all, take a look behind me. you can see this huge smoke cloud. the fire is continuing to roar. as for those people who were in that convoy, we're not only talking about those folks but all of the nearly 90,000 people who have had to evacuate. this is an unprecedented situation in canada. a lot of folks are staying with friends and family. if that's not an option, they're going to one of the many shelters that's open. also people are staying in hotels. it's impossible to get a hotel room in the area. in terms of the firefighting effort, the conditions remain
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terrible. windy conditions, low humidity. it's going to continue like this throughout the weekend. by the way, we talked to about the fuel situation and how precious things are. take a look at this. we had to bring our own fuel just in case we ran out. that's what we're dealing with. >> dan simon in alberta, thanks. stay safe. be sure to tune in sunday at d:00 p.m. for "anthony b ow rdain parts unknown. the ac 360 special "we got him" starts right now. what are your future plans? a plane crashed into the world trade center.