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cream with chocolate syrup and rainbow sprinkles. they give me so much back. i can't even imagine how i could possibly give them what they give me. good morning. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. dismissing the need for party unity. dismissing a remark he made over the weekend, calling hillary clinton an enabler to her husband on his marital infidelities. here is what he said on cnn. >> he is the worst abuser of
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women. >> you just said i'm making too much of it. now you say it's a big thing. >> in the history of our country. he was impeached. he was impeached and then he lied about it. he said nothing happened with monica lewinsky and then he said, sorry, folks, it actually did happen. the guy was impeached for lying. >> all that have can be true. what does it have to do with hillary? >> she can't talk about me because nobody respects women more than donald trump. and i'm going to take -- i will be better for women by a big factor than hillary clinton, who frankly, i don't even think will be good to women. she went and spoke a few weeks ago. she said i'm going to put the miners and the companies out of business. then she went to west virginia and tried to pretend she didn't make the statement. that's how it is with her, the lies and deception is terrible. >> it seems like trump is
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doubling down on those comments, phil, about clinton. >> doubling down on his attacks on hillary clinton, but also in the midst of a two-front battle if you will. obviously looking forward to the general election and that fight against likely hillary clinton but also fighting within his own party. pam, it has only escalated, the tension between donald trump, paul ryan, senior gop leaders, as the weekend went along, donald trump reiterating that he doesn't feel like he needs to move toward paul ryan at all, on a political front or policy front. and sarah palin, big-time trump endorser said she would be willing to support paul ryan's opponent. take a listen. >> i think he is about to be cantered, as in eric cantore.
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to remain neutral and for him to come out and say who he will not support is not a wise decision of his. i think why paul ryan is doing this, jake, is it kind of screws his chances for the 2020 presidential bid that he's gunning for. >> pam for some perspective here, paul ryan is very popular in his district, 76% approval rating in wisconsin. donald trump won his district. the idea that he would lose in a primary doesn't look likely right now. the threat is start og to underscore, damage that trump tried to distance himself from this morning. >> do you want sarah palin going out there and trying to turn people against paul ryan? you're supposed to be unifying the party. >> sarah has endorsed me and she's a wonderful person. >> but do you want that? >> let me finish what i was
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trying to do. i have nothing to do with that. sarah is very much a free agent. she's a terrific person, but very much a free agent. i didn't know about this until yesterday. i guess she has been fighting or endorsing somebody that's running against paul ryan. and i didn't know about it until wred when i read about it. >> this is a big deal. to this point, to give you your due, you said i want ryan on my side. i want to work with him. >> no, no. i'll go a step further. i always liked him. he called me a number of weeks ago. he was very supportive, very nice. i thought everything was fine. then i got blindsided. we'll see. look, i'll see what happens. >> pam, the state of play is really this, heading into this thursday meeting, donald trump refusing to go anywhere near where republican leaders want him to be. republican leaders saying donald trump needs to come towards them. on the political side of things, tone side of things and perhaps
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more so on the policy side of things there are splits and willingness on either side to come to the center and meet in the middle right now is very unclear. >> so much anticipation as a result of that meeting come thursday. phil mattingly, thank you so much. cnn political commentator and donald trump supporter derek lord, spokeswoman for conservatives against trump and nira tanden, center for american progress and hillary clinton supporter. lot to discuss here to the four of you. to jeffrey, you first. you're the lucky one to start this all off. get ready. so, we heard trump from phil's report basically railing against clinton, saying she was playing the woman card. this is retribution, that he's using, saying she was an enabler for her husband's infidelities. is he driving a deeper wedge in the party and on women, doubling down on them?
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>> i find it amazing. various of these women who were abused by bill clinton have accused him -- have accused hillary clinton of being an enabler. jennifer flowers has said this. juanita broderick, who has a very graphic accusation against bill clinton out there on nbc news and "the wall street journal" years ago has specifically said that hillary clinton threatened her. now, if we're going to talk about the woman card, are we really okay with a woman who is being accused of bullying other women for, you know, standing up for themselves? i find that fascinating. >> nira? >> you know, i think that what jeffrey said is a perfect enunciation or representation of the trump campaign. gutter politics after gutter politics after gutter politics. and i think that's why republican leaders are so repulsed by what he's doing. because they know that donald trump has a 30% approval amongst
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women. 66% of women disapprove of him. it's because of comments exactly like this, where you attack a woman for whatever happen ed wih her husband. and it's th is why i think lots of republicans and democrats and independent independents say donald trump is not the candidate because he can't unify people. >> he talked about the situation with bill clinton and he had a very different tone then than he does now about it. let's take a listen. >> look at trouble that bill clinton got into on something that was totally unimportant and tried to impeach him. yet bush got us into this war by lying, saying they had weapons of mass destruction and all
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sorts of things that turned out not to be true. >> even though he's clearly changing his tune about this, it doesn't seem to impact him like it would other candidates. why is that? >> well, there's been some new standard that's been created for donald trump and his duplicity on so many things and his flip flopping, changing the truth. he lies constantly. he lied about paul ryan, calling him to congratulate him after the new york primary. that never happened. he lied about marco rubio, you know, talking to him favorably about a potential vice presidential pick. that never happened. both camps came out and said those things never happened. here, donald trump comes in, says one thing one day, one thing one hour and changes it the next day. it's very important for those of us in the media and those of us who have platforms to continue to point out his back and forth lies, misrepresentations of things consistently. now that we're moving into a general election, the electorate
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is very different than primary voters. i don't think that this kind of -- bringing up tabloid things and -- believe me, i applaud against the clintons and their agenda and have been very vocal about that for many, many years, as objectionable as i think they are. most americans do not care about that anymore. look how popular bill clinton is, after he was impeached, when we were in the thick of it. i don't know that that is necessarily going to work for him. but he does it as a distraction so he doesn't have to talk about his policies, which are very thin, to say the least. >> basically donald trump lies constantly, that he's a hypocrite, what tara just said. >> of course i don't think this is true. i love my friend, tara. in essence, tara and friends who are doing this now, donald trump is -- this is not just about donald trump. this is about the voting public in the republican party that has now nominated him for president of the united states.
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so, there are millions and millions and millions of people out there who have made their choice very, very clear. so that's it. i said all along that i would support any republican, any republican who was nominated, period. >> why in 2008 was it nonsense for bill clinton's impeachment and now it's not? >> jeffrey does make the point. look, millions of voters have come out to make trump the presumptive republican nominee. deborah, are you concerned that people like you, the never trump people, will now fellow the republican party and throw their support, you know, behind clinton? >> well, no, i'm not concerned about our people throwing their support behind clinton. i don't think -- i think all of us have been very clear it is never trump, never clinton. we have been concerned about the country. this is not about the republican party. it's about the heart and soul of the conservative movement. and that is so much more important than the party.
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and donald trump had 10 million plus people who voted for him but there are 15 million people in the primary who voted for somebody other than him. and all of the polls show you now that the people are looking for someone else to vote for and that a large majority of people will either stay home and not vote or they will find another candidate on the ballot. that is what the talks are about now. we are inundated with e-mails and social media posts about people who are looking for another alternative in both parties. i think people are concerned about both candidates. >> do you think this late in the game that a third party candidate is going to emerge and change everything? >> everything is different this year than it has been every other year. nobody thought we would be where we are today. but i think people are just now, after 10 or 11 months, a lot of people are just now starting to tune in and starting to realize who is the real donald trump and they still can't actually figure it out, because he's different from day-to-day, from hour to
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hour, from minute to minute. his story changes repeatedly. we don't know yet what his policy positions are. people know generally that -- in the conservative movement what hillary clinton's policies are. we don't like her policies either. we won't vote for her. but donald trump's policies -- anybody who thinks that donald trump will be a safer bet than hillary is going to be sadly mistaken. i would reach out to the trump voters and say you've got to think about this. you've got to look at what he has been saying and look at his repeated lies over and over again, changing his story. look at his behavior. look at his character. look at his lack of policies and his changing of policies. don't think for a minute that he would be any safer than hillary clinton. >> so it's wide open for another candidate? >> he has come out to talk about some policies and we'll talk later about what he thinks about taxing the wealthy, raising the minimum wage, that kind of thing. lot more to discuss. stick around, panel. we'll discuss more in the next block.
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still to come right here in the "newsroom," another sign of a major rift in the republican party. john mccain says gop leadership needs to take donald trump seriously. we'll continue our discussion right after the break. both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. go ahead, embrace those beautiful moments. flonase changes everything. try aveeno® sheer hydration. its active naturals® oat formula... ...goes on feather light. absorbs in seconds... ...keeps skin healthy looking and soft. aveeno® naturally beautiful results. he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can settle in and think big. and when josh thinks big you know what he gives? i'll give you everything i've got and then some... he gives a hundred and ten percent! i'm confident this 10% can boost your market share. look at that pie chart! boom!
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in an interview with the arizona senator, they said it's time the republican party takes donald trump seriously. >> do you think there's a disconnect there? >> you have to draw the conclusion there's some distance if not a disconnect between party leadership and members of congress and many of the voters who have selected donald trump to be the nominee of the party. we could go down the list, but a lot of it is older, white, blue collar workers who see no prospect of a job ever again. we see dissatisfied young people
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who are carrying student debts into their first job for many, many years. so, there's -- and, of course, a perception which is largely reality. not totally. that there's gridlock in washington. that's given rise to trump and sanders. and that's something that we in the republican party will have to look at carefully. >> do you think they'll listen to those folks better? >> you have to listen to the people that voters have chosen in the republican party. i think it would be foolish to ignore them. >> jeffrey lord, tara setmeyer, deborah and neera tanden. deborah, we spoke about you wanting a third party candidate. john mccain said basically how can you ignore the will of the people?
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they have spoken. why aren't you? are you concerned that this lack of support could backfire? >> we do need to listen to the voters out there and the trump voters. i think they were showing frustration, so to speak, with what they see in the country. but i don't think that donald trump is the answer. donald trump doesn't have -- they're not going to fix their problems. and i would reach out to them and say donald trump is not going to fix your problems, because he doesn't have any ideology or philosophy except for authoritarianism and self promotion. that say very dangerous mix. let's look for another option, see what we can do within the boundaries we have, third candidate, independent candidate, write-in candidate. we're looking at all options and the movement, i believe, is growing. and the calls are growing for something like that. and it's showing in the polls. >> but, deborah, some of these voters listen to you, they may think why does she know more than i do?
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millions of people have made their voices heard. why is it up to you and other republican leaders to know what's best for the american people? >> well, i don't pretend to know what's best for the american people. what i'm saying is that people need -- >> they've spoken and chosen trump as the republican nominee. >> but 15 million people, more people voted against him than voted for him. and that's significant. so i think a lot of states had open primaries, there weren't republicans there. if he is going to be the future of the republican party, that is no longer the party of lincoln and reagan. i think we will lose the heart and soul of the conservative movement and of america for years and years to come. >> ann? ann? >> jeffrey, i do want to bring you in. go ahead. >> let me say a couple of things. more people voted against john mccain in the republican primary process than voted for him. so, we've been here before and i don't remember deborah saying john mccain should not get the nomination once he won the majority of the votes. number two, when barry goldwater withdrew his candidacy for president in 1960 at the
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republican convention and endorsed richard nixon, he was accused by conservatives of, quote, unquote, betraying the conservative cause. i'm quoting him exactly. i didn't realize until later there were some conservatives you can never satisfy. this popped up again when ronald reagan was president and conservatives denounced him and said he was a failure as president. so, i've seen this kind of thing before. we have been down this road before. deborah, whether she realizes it -- >> we've never been down this road before. >> the road we're down now is a civil war seemingly in the republican party. it's incredible to see what's going on within the party. in light of that, you're hearing trump raise the threat of blocking speaker paul ryan from chairing the convention if he does not support the nominee. >> he is the leader of the party. he needs to support the party nominee. what's with that? >> you can make that argument. are you concerned at all about coming out and making these comments that trump could hurt chances of makie ining peace wim at thursday's sit down?
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>> no. i think paul ryan is terrific. as newt gingrich said, he made a serious mistake. can you imagine when newt gingrich, in 1992, when he was speaker of the house, give me a week to think about it. i don't know if i can support president bush for re-election. they would have been after his scalp, as newt himself says. paul ryan is the republican -- say again, republican speaker of the house, the republican electorate has spoken. therefore, that's it. >> tara, i'll get to you in a second, neera. tara, i want to get your response to that. it's pretty rare something like this would happen. >> it's unfortunate. a year ago, we were positioned to rout the democrats in the election, we had great candidates that didn't have this kind of negatives or this kind of record, that didn't insult women, minorities and pows and everybody else. the issue here with other candidates that jeffrey talks about, the difference is that none of them were holy unfit to
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be president. there are many of us, not only conservatives, many of us who feel as though donald trump's lack of character, integrity, his inability to tell the truth consistently and the fact that he believes in nothing consistently makes him wholly unfit for many of us. we should not be brow beaten by a minority of people in primaries into falling in line with someone that we don't feel carries the mantle of the party or lincoln or reagan. donald trump is the same guy who testified for democrats in 1990 and referred to ronald reagan's tax cuts as something like out of the soviet union. do you agree with that, jeffrey lord? you worked for reagan. >> while this rift is going on within the republican party, hillary clinton came out and basically made the case that she sort of is getting a good deal from all of this. take a listen to what she said. >> for a lot of people, again,
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who take their votes seriously and really see this as a crossroads kind of election, i am asking people to come join this campaign. and i've had a lot of outreach from republicans in the last days who say that they are interested in talking about that. >> so, neera, i want to get your response to what hillary clinton is saying, that she has outreach from republicans, gop donors. >> look, you know, i think that this panel demonstrates that there's a lot of concern around the country about donald trump and the kind of president he would be for very good reasons. tara and others have mentioned. he's just unfit to be president of the united states. and there are republicans of good conscience who recognize that and want to do something in this election other than vote for donald trump. hillary will have the proposals and policies, always have. people want an alternative to donald trump. and i think republicans will -- some republicans will look at hillary. some will stay home.
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many may form a third party. i think that's because this election is too important for every single american to allow donald trump to become president. >> is there any concern quickly, neera, that donald trump will be able to pull in some of those blue dog democrats, perhaps some bernie sanders' supporters or that supporters will just stay home, supporters of bernie sanders? is there that concern in the clinton camp? >> hillary has said that she has to earn the vote of everyone, everyone in the democratic party, independents as well. so, she will continue to make the case as to why bernie sanders' supporters should support her. but bernie sanders himself has said that he will work every day to ensure donald trump is not president. and i think after the primaries, you will see a united democratic party, which will be in sharp contrast to what we are seeing in the republican party implosion of the last few days. >> sure to be an interesting few months to come. thank you so much to this panel.
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jeffrey lord, tara setmayer, neera tanden, and deborah. we appreciate it. the justice department challenges north carolina's bathroom law. and the deadline is today. what will the state's governor do? we'll be back. i smbut ended up nowhere.a lot now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. jump 50 feet over the rapids and i crash land. check out my scar. there's nothing there! you didn't jump the creek! there's a new neosporin antibiotic that minimizes scars. new neosporin plus pain itch scar "daddy doing work",d it's funny that i've been in the news for being a dad. windows 10 is great because i need to keep organized. school, grocery shopping. my face can unlock this computer.
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good morning. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. north carolina's so-called bathroom law, doj says it violates the civil rights act. it requires transgender people to use the bathroom of the gender listed on their birth certificate.
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the governor is showing no signs of backing down. >> the ninth largest state in the united states the civil rights division of the justice department three working days to respond to a pretty complex letter, and to a pretty big threat. well, we don't think three working days is enough to respond to such a threat. >> a new cnn/orc poll shows the majority of americans disagree with laws like north carolina's. 57% say they oppose the legislation. 38% support it. let's bring in cnn correspondent martin savidge, who joins us live for this. do we have a better idea of what the governor's response will be today with this deadline looming? >> those i talked to said there are essentially three possibilities. one is to say no. the other is to say hell, no. the other is to perhaps file a countersuit against the department of swrus, in which he would demand some sort of
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declarative judgment to be made. one, they're saying they haven't had enough time to respond but two, this is a dramatic overreach by the federal government. he's also saying if you think this is just about north carolina and its transgender bill when it comes to action toes bathrooms, you're wrong. he's saying this will become a nationwide fight. one of the sponsors of the bill said this is not the way it was intended to go when the civil rights act was passed. take a listen. >> in 1964 when title vii was passed, in 1972 when title ix was passed, no legislator voting for that in the united states congress understood that prohibiting discrimination based on sex meant you were going to force people of opposite sex into the shower together. >> the governor has said that he will respond in some way today. we don't know whether that will be in a written fashion or whether they'll make some sort of public statement.
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that remains to be seen. but a lot of people will be watching how this plays out. of course, there's billions of dollars at stake here. not just for north carolina education, but it could go well beyond that. this is a battle that is only just beginning, pam. >> on that note, if they come back and say no, we're not changing a thing with this law, what next? >> well, that really opens up a whole pandora's box. no one is sure. it is possible the federal government would turn to a federal judge and say, look, they need some kind of order to enforce north carolina back down on its bill or it could begin the process of starting to take away the billions of dollars of federal monies. but some have suggested that is a process that would take years. pamela? >> martin savidge, thank you so much for the latest reporting there. so, question for you. does donald trump want to give wealthy americans a tax cut or not? observers say he is reversing a policy that would give rich americans a break.
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trump hitting back hard saying his plan was just a starting point and that the final policy will only come after negotiations with congress. take a listen. >> it seemed as though you were saying this weekend two things that were different from what you've said in the past. one on taxes for the wealthy, where you said you were open to taxing them more. as you know, that's against the conservative -- >> i didn't say that, chris. >> that's how it's been -- >> nbc misrepresented, chuck todd -- if they put out that clip, i said that i may have to increase it on the wealthy. i'm not going to allow it to be increased on the middle class. if i increase on the wealthy, that means they're still paying less than they are now. i'm not talking about increasing from this point. i'm talking about increasing from my tax proposal. >> and as a reminder, here is what trump told nbc yesterday. >> which is it? are you willing to raise taxes on the .1% or not? >> listen. the thing i'm going to do is make sure that the middle class
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gets good tax breaks. they have been absolutely shunned. the other thing i'm going to fight very hard for business. for the wealthy, frankly, it's going to go up. it really should go up. >> all right. joining me now, cnn global economic analyst and time assistant managing editor. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> first off, looking at those two clips back-to-back, what's your take? has he contradicted himself on raising tacks on the rich or not? >> he has contradicted himself a lot. one thing he said was getting rid of the provision that allows hedge funders and people who make money from money to pay a much lower tax rate than many of us. that may still be in play. he has talked about lowering tax rates on many different groups of americans, upper class, middle class, working class. you can't lower taxes without cutting spending. so both the tax foundation and the tax policy center, two big think tanks that study tax
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policy of all the candidates have said under trump's plan, we would actually lose about $10 billion -- excuse me, $10 trillion of tax revenue without actually cutting federal spending. you would end up with a greater deficit than we have now. and that's really the rub here. it's a very reaganesque plan. people are talking about lowering taxes but not actually cutting federal spending to go along with it, which leaves you in the same problem you have now. >> basically the only way that this could work is if he comes up with a proposal on where he's going to cut spending? >> absolutely. that's what happened during the reagan era. you had a lot of tax cuts. that's been a big republican economic point. you cut taxes. it's good for the economy. for starters, you cut taxes you have to cut spending. point number two, cutting taxes in the last ten or 15 years actually hasn't caused the economy to grow. if you look back at the bush tax cuts of 2001, 2003 and even some of the obama tax cuts, you didn't get a big kick-up in
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growth from those moves. this idea of trickle-down economics, there's not a lot of proof that it works. the math is simple. if you cut taxes, you have to cut spending, too. >> trump is saying taxes for the wealthy would go up from his current plan, not from where taxes are right now, as part of his negotiation process with congress, but middle class tax cuts would not go up. so, what do you think about that, though? the middle class not going up but for the wealthy going up from where it is now in his plan. >> i think that you hit on the key point, which is that this is all about a negotiation with congress, okay? which, you know this is the thing that donald trump is unproven on. he has no experience going in and negotiating on tax policy, which is incredibly contentious, especially when you get into loop holes like the mortgage interest rate which allows us to all buy more home perhaps than we should because the debt is tax deductible.
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very politically contentious. he has to close those loopholes and the jury is very much out on whether he can. >> thank you so much for breaking it down for us. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, cnn has been granted rare access to a landmark political meeting in north carolin north korea. live report from there next. its active naturals® oat formula... ...goes on feather light. absorbs in seconds... ...keeps skin healthy looking and soft. aveeno® naturally beautiful results.
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bring out the bold™ a new day, a new title for the supreme leader of north korea. kim jong-unis elected leader of the workers party. no surprise there. what is surprising is a few reporters being allowed inside the meeting to watch the closing ceremony. will ripley was there. fellow journalist from the bbc suddenly absent. joining us from pyongyang. what an eventful day, will. >> reporter: absolutely, pamela. surprise press conference on the third floor of the hotel in
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pyongyang, same floor where the university of virginia studen confessed to trying to tear down a political banner. instead, an official came in and announced that bbc correspondent rupt winfield hayes had been detained at the airport as he was trying to leave the country because of a series of reports he did who are in north korea that the north korean authorities thought were disrespectful to the man they call the supreme leader. after he was detained, he and his crew, for eight hours, was made to sign a confession. we now know he has landed in beijing and so far is not commenting. it underscores, though, the risks that journalists can face in this country, especially when you consider the fact that anything regarding the leadership of kim jong-un is considered one of the most delicate.
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i've been reprimanded severely for reports i've done when it comes to the north korean leader. after that press conference happened a small group of us were put on a bus, thought we were taken to another press conference with another north korean official. instead we went through a 90-minute security screening, we had to leave our phones behind on the bus. they drove us with a police escort to the venue where the workers party congress is being held. just a few minutes after we walked in with 5,000 party members looking at us, the band music started playing, the leader, kim jong-un and his entourage, came walking on to the stage. highest level party officials. the crowd probably cheered three minutes. we started rolling with our cameras as they rattled off the names. and title for kim jong-un, unsurprisingly, a unanimous decision by the workers party. that would be their only option rks to vote to support their
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leader. those who might have opposed his appointment, they have probably been purged over the last few years, as we've reported about a lot of high-party level officials, including the execution of the leader's uncle. pam? >> will ripley, thank you for that rare look inside pyongyang. we do appreciate it. drug kingpin el chapo is moved to a new prison. what is behind that decision? up next. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. go ahead, embrace those beautiful moments. flonase changes everything. jump 50 feet over the rapids and i crash land. check out my scar. there's nothing there! you didn't jump the creek! there's a new neosporin antibiotic that minimizes scars. new neosporin plus pain itch scar
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convicted drug kingpin joaquin el chapo guzman is just a few miles from the u.s.
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now has been raided by the national human rights commission as the worst prison in mexico. it's the middle of a desert, nothing around for mile. so for security officials you have to think that's probably a plus because if he plots a third escape, there won't be very many places for him to hide. the big question here is what happens next and whether or not he's going to be extradited to the united states. if he is, he's due in court in brooklyn, new york, where he was indicted in 2009 on a slew of charges, everything from murder, kidnapping and torture to, of course, importing more than a quarter million pounds of cocaine into the united states, and it's not just new york. he's also facing charges in a number of other states, arizona, california, texas, illinois, florida, and new hampshire. this is aside from all the charges he's facing in mexico. so there's a long legal road ahead for joaquin guzman. >> so it appears he's getting ready to be extradited to the u.s. but what does the mexican government say about why it
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let's get a check on our top stories on this monday. conditions seem to be getting better for firefighters, but massive wildfires continue to rage in canada. nearly 90,000 people in alberta have been forced to flee their homes.
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and the burn area is still larger than new york city. that smoke was billowing as far away as florida. a government official says two teenagers died during evacuat n evacuatio evacuations. at least 22 people are dead and 17 missing following a landslide in southeast china. heavy rain triggered a torrent of mud and rock that is buried a construction site sunday morning. that is one of several tornadoes reported in colorado. so far no reports of deaths but five people received minor injuries. emergency personnel and residents are still assessing the damage. at least three homes and one building were damaged. well, the pilot of a single-engine plane is recovering in the los angeles area hospital after landing on the roof of an office building. the 61-year-old man was heading to an airfield nearby when his plane lost power.
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witnesses say the plane dropped straight down on top of a building and bounced resulting in a near perfect emergency landing. how incredible is that? federal authorities are now investigating. well, it's commencement season. business and political leaders are speaking to thousands of new graduates across the country while many of those leaders are sharing encouraging and inspiring words, some are making subtle jobs at political rivals. john kerry, mitt romney, and president obama all addressing university grads this past weekend. >> given the current state of our political rhetoric and debate, let me say something that may controversial and that is this -- america is a better place today than it was when i graduated from college. [ applause ] let me repeat, america is by almost every measure better than
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it was when i graduated from college. it also happens to be better off than when i took office but that's a longer story. >> we live in tumultuous times, demagogues on the right and the left draw upon our darker angels scapegoating immigrants and muslims or bankers and business people. >> graduating class, i got to tell you, you really do look spectacular. just look around you. classmates of every race, religion, gender, shape, size, 85 countries represented, and dozens of languages spoken. you are the most diverse class in northeastern's history. in other words, you are donald trump's worst nightmare. [ cheers and applause ] >> the next hour of cnn "newsroom" begins right now.
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good morning to you. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. thanks for joining me. we do appreciate it, and we now have a clearer picture than ever of just how ugly a trump versus clinton showdown could get. this morning on cnn donald trump accuses hillary clinton of serving as an enabler to her husband and his marital infidelities. here is what trump said a little while ago on cnn. >> he was the worst abuser of women -- >> i just said they're making too much of it. now you say it's a big thing. >> excuse me, as a politician, in the history of our country. he was impeached. he was impeached, and then he lied about it. he said nothing happens with monica lewinsky and then he said, sorry, folks, it actually did happen. and the guy was impeached for lying. >> all of that can be true. what does it have to do with hillary? >> she can't talk about me because nobody respects women more than donald trump, and i'm going to take -- i will be better for women by a big factor
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than hillary clinton, who, frankly, i don't even think will be good to women. you know, she spoke -- it was very interesting, she spoke a few weeks ago, and she said i'm going to put the miners and the companies out of business. then she went to west virginia and tried to pretend she didn't make the statement, and that's the way it is with her. you know, the lies and the deception. it's horrible. >> let's bring in cnn's joe johns in washington with more. clearly, trump is not backing down when it comes to hillary clinton, joe. >> reporter: that's true, pamela. this is perhaps the sharpest line of attack donald trump has taken against hillary clinton since he became the presumptive nominee. it really picked up in that interview with donald trump on "new day" this morning. an apparent attempt to attract women voters by linking hillary clinton to her husband's indiscretions. the clinton campaign's past responses have amounted to a kind of bring it on message suggesting that she's weathered similar attacks in the past,
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which she says did not work then and won't work now. she's also tried to make some of her characterizations of trump policy focused by calling him a loose cannon. listen. >> i think saying that he's a loose cannon really focuses on some of the statements he's made, which i find concerning. going back to torture? killing terrorists' families, which would be a war crime. and those are just some of the concerns that i hear people talking about which i think does fit the definition of a loose cannon. >> reporter: but if you really want to know where this may be headed, the clinton's campaign's response to trump's attacks saying she's playing the woman card has been to promote a hot pink woman's card which reads congratulations, you're in a ma jort. in a way they are incorporates the trump attacks into their message. pamela? >> joe johns, thank you so much
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for that. trump is also raising eyebrows by lob you new threats at house speaker paul ryan who has refused to endorse him at this point. this morning he responded to his supporter sarah palin who is vowing to work against ryan's re-election. >> do you want sarah palin going out there and trying to turn people against paul ryan? you're supposed to be unifying the party. >> sarah has endorsed me, and i like her a lot. she's a terrific person. >> do you want paul ryan kicked snout. >> let me finish what i want to say. i have nothing to do. sarah is very much a free agent. she's a terrific person, but she's very much a free agent, and i didn't know about this until yesterday. i guess she's been fighting or she's endorsing somebody that's running against paul ryan, and i didn't know about it until yesterday when i read about it. >> but this is a big deal. paul ryan, the speaker there, you have said to this point to give you your due, hey, i want ryan on my side. i want to work with him. >> i have always liked him. he called me not so long ago, a
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number of weeks ago, but he called me and he was very supportive and very nice. i thought everything was fine, and then i got blindsided, so we'll see. look, i'll see what happens. >> phil mattingly is in new york with more. phil? >> reporter: pamela, it looked like donald trump was trying to distance himself a little bit from one of his top surrogates, but in no way is undercutting the reality of the tlet thhreat was made by sarah palin to jake tapper yesterday on cnn. she's not only willing to support the opponent of paul ryan in wisconsin, she's going to go all out to push him to that victory. take a listen. >> i think paul ryan is soon to be cantored, as in eric cantor. his political career is over but for a miracle because he has so disrespected the will of the people, and, yeah, as the leader of the gop, the convention certainly, he is to remain neutral, and for him to already
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come out and say who he will not support was not a wise decision of his. >> reporter: now, pamela, it's important to note i think that on the top line paul ryan in his district in janesville, wisconsin, is sitting in a very good place up to this point. ted cruz won that district by more than 19 points over donald trump. paul ryan with a 76% approval rating amongst wisconsin republicans. the threat maybe not necessarily as real as it would appear. but sarah palin's point stands and it's one donald trump has been making as well. he has done the best in the primary. he has won millions of votes. perhaps it's time that republican leaders pay more attention to what he wants, his perspective on things, and not expect him to come the other way, and it's a position actually supported by somebody who you might not expect. 2008 presidential nominee john mccain. take a listen to what he told cnn's manu raju. >> are you worried that there's a disconnect there? >> there has -- you have to draw the conclusion that there is some distance, if not a
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disconnect, between party leadership and members of congress and many of the voters who have selected donald trump to be the nominee of the party. we could go down the list, but a lot of it is older, white, blue collar workers who see no prospect of a job ever again. we see dissatisfied young people who are carrying student debts into their first job for many, many years. so there's -- and, of course, a perception which is largely reality, not totally, that there's gridlock in washington, and that's given rise to trump and sanders, and that's something that we in the republican party are going to have to look at very carefully. >> should the leadership listen to those folks a little bit better? >> you have to listen to people that have chosen the nominee of our republican party. i think it would be foolish to ignore them. >> reporter: and, pam, john mccain one of the many elected republican officials facing
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re-election taking a look at what donald trump's likely candidacy as the republican nominee means for them. now, for mccain donald trump won his state by more than 20 points. there's a reality here as john mccain looks at the map forward, but when you look ahead, pam, and you look at what paul ryan is trying to do, not only is this a policy issue and a tone issue for paul ryan, but it's also a political issue. there are many house republicans, the conference that paul ryan leads, that are very wary of a trump candidacy. paul ryan has provided them cover. that will almost certainly be an issue that comes up on thursday when there will be that behind-close d doors, face-to-face meeting between trump and ryan. >> it's been incredible to see how this is all playing out. i can't wait to see what's to come. expect the unexpected, right? phil mattingly, thank you very much. joining me to discuss all of this cnn political commentator matt lewis, a conservative
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writer and senior director for the daily caller, errol louis, larry sabado and a hillary clinton supporter and editor of chief of anushay's point.com. thank you to the four of you for coming on. matt, i'm going to start with you and what we're hearing from -- the last report from phil saying that basically trump is now dismissing his need for party unity. are we witnessing the end of the republican party as we know it? >> well, i think it could happen. this is going to be one of the big stories about this election cycle. you know, the republican party since the time of ronald reagan has been about certain things, and in modern years whether it's strong national defense or, you know, the right to life, there were things that we believed in, and i could say paul ryan specifically has dedicated his career to entitlement reform, to
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realizing that entitlements drive the debt and they need to be fixed if we're going to preserve them and keep the debt from ballooning. donald trump says he doesn't care about that issue. he doesn't care about a lot of the issues that mainstream conservatives care about. so it is possible that this coalition could come unglued with the donald trump nomination. >> and donald trump talked about debt this morning on "new day." in fact, he said i love debt. >> i said if we can buy back government debt at a discount, in other words if interest rates go up and we can buy bonds back at a discount, if we are liquid enough as a country, we should do that. in other words, we can buy back debt at a discount. people said i want to go and buy debt and default on debt. these people are crazy. this is the united states government. first of all, you never have to default because you print the money. i hate to tell you, okay? so there's never a default, but the point is it was reported in "the new york times" incorrectly -- >> that you said you would go to
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creditors and make them take less. >> it was reporting in the failing "new york times" and other places that i want to default on debt. you know, i'm the king of debt. i understand debt better than probably anybody. >> larry, what's your take with this? what he's say something not necessarily in lock step with what you would hear from rank and file republicans. is this controversial? >> to me? >> yes, to you, larry. >> yes. pam, look, i think a crack up is possible, crack up of the republican party is very possible. i don't think it will happen quite this soon. we get through this election cycle and we'll see, you know, where the situation is, but there's one thing for sure, republicans who have been in charge, the mainstream conservatives who have positions that have been developed really since the '50s and early '60s have been in for a rude awakening.
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they have the first nominee in modern american history who simply doesn't agree with them on a wide variety of things shtionz a, and some of them are in shock. others are looking for a third-party or independent candidate so they'll have somebody to vote for, and still others are trying to find ways to reconcile them to trump. and it's a giant story. it's a giant story that's going to dominate politics all the way to november and beyond. >> and that is why we're covering it, leading with it. errol, i want to get your reaction on what donald trump said about the debt. what's your take? i mean basically saying that debt is a good thing. >> it's another break or potential break, certainly a deviation from not only what other candidates have said but what american politics, mainstream politics have been about. there is a constitutional provision that says the good faith efforts to repay american debt shall not be questioned. i mean, this goes back to the
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founding of the republic. donald trump saying, well, maybe not, let's play with it a little bit. this is one more of these instances where what we've known to be mainstream politics is being challenged or disregarded by a guy who didn't come up through the political system. some people say that's good for the system. we need a shock to the system. others are a little bit horrified at what it could mean, and certainly that accounts for a lot of this cracking up or this fraying at the edges of unity within the republican party, which is, by the way, one more thing that donald trump isn't all that concerned about. >> but donald trump could come back and say, say what you want, but more americans trust me with the economy than hsillary clintn if you look at the polls. anushay, i want to get to you on that because there is this division, this civil war it seems within the republican party. does this present an opening for hillary clinton? >> it definitely presents an opening for hillary clinton because i think after the primary, the democrats are going to be much more united and that is just going to be in sharp
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contrast to the gop. i completely agree that we are really witnessing in many ways the end of the republican party and the comments that trump made this morning about calling hillary clinton the greatest abuser of women, we are talking about misogyny 101. trump is reducing all women voters to their gender and he's reducing hillary clinton, former secretary of state, a former senator, to her husband's keeper. this is absolutely ridiculous. we need to remember that hillary clinton has been endorsed by emily's list, by planned parenthood. she went to beijing in 1995 and articulated for one of the first times in history that women's rights are human rights, and we're up against trump. this is absolutely ridiculous. it's a lesson in misogyny 101. >> matt, just to respond to that, in your view to comments like that, the fact donald trump is doubling down on them against hillary clinton, drive a deeper wedge within the party and with women in particular where he has high unfavorables? >> yeah. i mean, part of the problem obviously is republicans had
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this autopsy a couple years ago and determined that they need to do better with women. this is an interesting way of trying to achieve that. i think that not only is there a war within the republican party, but this election could be almost a war between the sexes heating up, and it's going to get ugly. i will say this though in defense of donald trump, if you're a republican, if you're a conservative who is sick of losing, what you've seen over the years are candidates like mitt romney. i think mitt romney was a good, chivalrous, decent guy, not a misogynist, and he was portrayed and attacked by this bogus war on women, basically accused of being a misogynist, and i think there's a sense, hey, look, if they're going to attack us of being evil missoge jis tiogynis anyway, why not go on the offensive. i think there are some republicans out there saying, look, at least donald trump is going to be willing to attack hillary clinton, not be a wimp like all the other republicans. so this could excite the republican base. i wonder though in the general
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election, it's very fraught with danger. >> and on that note, we are near the general election and, you know, hillary clinton seems to be poised to be the democratic nominee. how should she respond to these kinds of attacks from donald trump? we saw some of the other gop candidates and how they responded to trump and they've all gone to the wayside now. >> yeah. that's right. look, i think that hillary clinton is going to play, as donald trump says, play the woman card. i think this is actually smart of her. she's got a candidate in donald trump who i think is going to take the bait. he is going to go on the attack, and, you know, i think it's unclear how it's going to shake out. the problem for donald trump is that there are more women than men, and so just from a mathematical standpoint you do have to question the strategy, but i think she's going to keep baiting him and i think she's going to play the victim card to be honest. >> what do you think, larry, before we wrap this up?
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>> pam, i think she has to approach this very carefully. on the one hand, the democrats have learned an important lesson from the 16 republican presidential candidates who lost to donald trump, of all people. and that is you had better respond to the charges made. on the other hand, she doesn't want to be the one doing it because there are a lot of uncomfortable questions left over from the 1990s. the answer is you let surrogates and super pacs and other agents answer donald trump in kind. >> and just quickly before we wrap this up, errol, you know, look, millions of people have come out to support donald trump, new voters who have never voted before in a primary. should there be concern from the clinton camp that donald trump could pull in blue dog democrats and some of these other people perhaps, independents perhaps, bernie sanders supporters? >> there's some concern, but i think it's very much overstated.
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this notion that you've got to worry about what the democrats had to worry about in the early 1990s, the so-called reagan democrats, that's really not the issue. that's not the path to victory for democrats. there's something -- here is just one statistic among many. there's something like 800,000 latinos who turn 18 every year. overwhelming number of them are citizens and can become voters. that's where the future of the democratic party lies. that's where the path to victory for democrats lies this year. that's where hillary clinton really should be focusing. she's got to get her base out and not so much worry about trump's base because they're not going to be competing for the same peep. >> anushay, to be fair, i want to give you the final word here. >> the final word is if you want american politics not to end, we need to make sure there's a democrat in the white house and that candidate is hillary clinton. >> matt lewis, errol, larry, and anushay, thank you so much. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. meantime, a massive wildfire larger than new york city, imagine that. it's forcing tens of thousands
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massive wildfires raging in
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alberta, canada, but now at least the weather is starting to cooperate finally. smoke is still billowing as far away as florida and officials say it will take months to fully extinguish this fire. and we've also learned that two teenagers died during those evacuations. cnn's paul vercammen is live in edmonton where many evacuees ended up. >> reporter: you're right about the weather. it is much cooler today. in fact,zled a little bit. the blaze is moving away from ft. mcmurray, moving to the east a little bit making a run that way, but that is mainly just forest. t ft. mcmurray is trying to get back on its feet. that's where they suffered massive damage and much more will be revealed today about ft. mcmurray and what happened there. there's going to be a little bit of a dignitary and media tour, and then here at the evacuation
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center the ft. mcmurray residents just really concerned about what this is going to show. we talked to a couple sisters about that very issue. >> we've gotten pictures, and our whole street is knocked down and i think there's like a couple houses left and i'm thinking ours is one of them. but, i mean, what are you going to go back to? like your whole street is burned down and there's no houses. it would be really depressing. >> reporter: there ay are, of course, also worried about their jobs. ft. mcmurray is the center of the oil sands production and some production has halted. we'll see later today how widespread that devastation is in that oil town. >> paul vercammen, thanks so much. we're getting in breaking news out of north carolina. the state of north carolina now firing back, filing a lawsuit against the federal government over that so-called bathroom bill. we're learning that governor pat mccrory will soon announce the suit. this comes hours before the
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deadline imposed in a letter sent to state leaders by the department of justice. the doj says the law violates the civil rights act. marc martin savidges has more information. >> reporter: it was just an hour ago we were talking about what could the governor do and i mentioned he could file suit and he did. this is the suit that's been filed. it's a complaint asking for declarative judgment. so essentially what they're doing is turning around and saying, all right, federal government, here is how we're going to respond. we're responding and we're suing you, and in this suit is claims it's asking for not just that judgment but also injunctive relief. quote, for the federal government's radical interpretation of title 7 of the civil rights act of 1946 which would prevent plaintiffs of protecting bodily privacy rights. so essentially what they're saying is that we don't believe
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the federal government's interpretation of the 1964 civil rights act applies to transgender issues, and so what is going to be expected now is some sort of ruling on a federal level. north carolina is maintaining here, at least the governor, that this is not just an issue that is limited to the state of north carolina. let's fashion ce it, bathrooms l across the country, so they're saying this is an issue that must now be resolved on a federal level rather than the department of justice trying to step on them in north carolina. they're fighting back and saying now we want this determined by a federal court. so we'll see where this goes and how it's handled. the question is timing on this. >> north carolina sending a strong message with this suit. now we'll wait to hear what the department of justice has to say in response. martin savidge, thanks so much for that. and still to come on this monday, donald trump woos the gop's money men after slamming them during the primary season. just how much could it cost him in november?
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good morning. happy monday. i'm pamela brown in for carol costello. thanks so much for being here with us. the republican primaries may be over, but the fight for republican donors is certainly not. at least not for donald trump. the presumptive nominee has often boasted about how he's spending his own money for his white house bid, but now he may be changing his tune. so how will the party's mega donors respond? cnn's sunlen serfaty has a look.
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>> i'm self-funding so it's a big difference, folks. i don't care. i'm going to do what's right for you. >> reporter: donald trump could be saying so long to self-funding. >> so far i'm in for like $40 million or $45 million. >> reporter: facing an expensive general election battle, the gop front-runner is now opening the door to raising cash for his campaign and the republican party. >> i do love self-funding, and i don't want anything for myself but we do need money for the party. i'll be asking for money for the party, and really it's something that we're going to start on right away. >> reporter: this setting off a scramble to secure support from the deep pocketed donors within the gop. >> donald trump will be good for us. >> reporter: trump getting a major nod from the single largest republican contributor from 2012, casino magnate sheldon adilson, one of the richest men in the world. telling the bbc. >> yes, i'm a republican, he's a republican. he's our nominee. whoever the nominee would turn
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out to be, any one of the 17, if he's one of the 17. he won fair and square. >> reporter: throughout the primary though, trump has publicly trashed wealthy donors, even calling out some by name. >> i guy named singer, who the hell ever heard -- i'll tell you a little secret. i saw -- i was surprised because i thought i was friends, the koch brothers, i thought i was their friend but somebody said they're linked to a certain pac. >> reporter: decrying their influence over politicians. >> when their special interest calls, when their lobbyist calls, when their donors call and they have a stake in the deal, they're not going to do what's right for you. i didn't take any money. >> reporter: but now the presumptive gop nominee is hitting some road blocks with the republican rainmakers. according to a survey done by cnn, a substantial number of other big-money republican donors are still sitting on the sidelines with withholding their money from trump like the mega wealthy koch brothers. >> on some of the republican candidates before we could
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support them, we'd have to believe their actions would be quite different than the rhetoric we've heard so far. >> reporter: unhappy with trump, many donors are now planning to redirect their money elsewhere, investing in down ballot candidates to help republicans in senate, house, and gubernatorial races instead. >> biggest challenge in that sense is going up against a very well-funded opposition. not only does hillary clinton have a ready and able fund-raising machine, but so many of the democratic outside groups, the dnc. so you put all of those together and it is a formidable opposition. >> reporter: and the clinton campaign is already sensing an opening that there is potentially some real money left on the table. they are reportedly going after former donors to jeb bush's campaign trying to reach out to those moderate republicans to support and invest in her over donald trump. pamela? >> all right. thank you so much, sunlen serfaty. joining me now foster frees
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founder of frees associates. he backed rick santorum. thanks for coming on. >> pamela, it's a delight to be here with you. i'm grateful for the invitation. >> after senator santorum ended his 2016 bid, you were quoted as saying, in your words, that you would enthusiastically report the republican nominee. we know donald trump is the presumptive republican nominee. have you had any discussions with the trump campaign? do you plan to support him? >> well, i think as a republican i sure will support him. i like what sheldon said, that we're republicans, and there's a certain loyalty not so much to republicans but to american values, and i think what america stands for and what our founding fathers went through, we just can't give that up to go to a european socialistic orientation, so i'm certainly going to support our nominee the best i can both enthusiastically financially and also with some
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encouragement. >> well, the last election mitt romney and hillary clinton each raised a billion dollars. donald trump says up until now he's been using his own money. do you think that he's going to be able to raise that much money, particularly in light of the fact that he's trashed some of the big gop donors? >> well, the big gop donors, they're going to sit back and think of the arguments they maybe had with their wives over the years. i've been married for 54 years and we've had a few cross words but when push comes to shove, we have a certain amount of loyalty to what our nation stands for and these donors are going to be there because none of them want to go down in history as enabling hillary clinton to appoint three supreme court justices. there goes the right to preserve our -- to protect our lives and protect our families and nobody wants to give that up as well as all the other things that could imply. so they'll be there. >> so you think regardless they'll come to the table. >> i absolutely do. i'm sure -- also keep in mind now, donald trump has probably
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had a technique that was helpful for him in the primary, which none of us really enjoyed, you know. my mom told me as an eighth grade dropout and raised in the baptist culture, if you can't say something good about someone, don't say anything at all. i think donald's strategy has worked but i'm convinced he's going to shift. you remember he gave a speech to the american-israeli public affairs committee, and he really knocked it out of the court. i didn't see it but it was done 18 minutes on a teleprompter that his jewish son-in-law wrote, so he has the opportunity to be very presidential if he puts his mind to it, which i think he's going to. >> well, hillary clinton just recently said that republicans have actually reached out to her and donors have reached out to her in the wake of this sort of civil war in the republican party. how much does it concern you that this division within the party could help hillary clinton given your political views? >> well, i see it a little bit
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differently, pamela, because what we could be moving to, donald trump could be taking to a post partisan environment because you indeed are correct, he's annoyed a lot of the republicans, but he's also brought an incredible amount of people who are traditionally democrats, the welders, the plumbers, the people that make our country work. 70% of the american public have not graduated from college, and donald trump gave rick santorum some real kudos buying saying his book rick wrote "blue collar conservative" every republican should read because it talks about those people that are the core of our country and no one is really watching out for them until donald trump came along, and as a guy who came out of the army with $800 of accumulated leave pay and grew up with the hardest working population probably on the planet, the farmers, i appreciate what he's doing. >> all right. fosters friess, thank you so much for coming on. >> it's a delight to be here, pamela.
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have a good day and god bless you. >> thank you, you too. still to come right here in the "newsroom," we have some new pictures just into cnn of a journalist being detained in north korea. why the regime is kicking him out of the country. at ally bank, no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. oh, look at you, so great to see you! none of this works. come on in. i think when people hear about i think it's important for, everyone to know that there is so much more to memory support than the stigmas you hearabout. that these residents still have lives and their lives still matter and that they are still living their lives. that they're not locked away and that they still have a lot to live for, you know, that they have people that care about them and they have people that love them and i love them, so their lives still matter. that is what i do this for.
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kim jong-un gets a brand new title as a journalist gets kicked out of north korea. rupert winfield hayes is back in beijing and here hear from him for first time since he was detained in a north korean airport. he says he feels relieved. let's bring in will ripley from pyongyang. what else is he saying, will? >> reporter: that's about it for now, pam. very little in terms of comments from the bbc at this point
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although we expect them to tell their side of the story pretty soon. joe, the bbc bureau chief, is one of the people in the brand new photos that the north korean government has just released to cnn, and it shows joe on the right side of your screen and rupert winfield hayes, the correspondent, on the left. both of them, they say they were made to sign apology letters so that rupert could leave the country with his team after a reporting trip here where the north korean government said he made very disrespectful comments about the supreme leader kim jong-un. bbc says he was detained at the airport trying to get on a flight, held for eight hours, questioned very seriously before signing those letters and being allowed to go. it highlights, pam, just the difficulties that reporters can face, especially in this country where they take seriously more than anything else insults that they perceive to be insults against their supreme leadership. >> and on that note, what have you been through? you have been there several days and you told me last hour that you've actually been reprimanded by the regime. tell us about that. bring us inside pyongyang because so few reporters get the
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opportunity that you have right now. >> reporter: this is my tenth trip here, and there have been many times over the past couple of years reporting out of north kor korea, where i have been seri s seriously reprimanded for stories, particularly the coverage of the leader. it's something we deal with. north korea brings foreign journalists in here for a reason. they want to tell their side of the story and they want to tell it their way and we, of course, have to do our jobs and try to report the news as truthfully as possible. sometimes, in fact often, those two goals collide. and it's just -- it comes with the territory of reporting here and i just try to think of the leadership here like i refer to reporting about the head of state in any other country. try to be respectful, use the title, but also be accurate and ask tough questions and make critical points if necessary. >> and just quickly, you were given this incredible opportunity to go into the secret meeting. tell us about that and what happened. i imagine it was very rare to be able to go inside there.
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>> reporter: yeah, we were put on a bus and taken we thought to a press conference but then we had a 90 minute security screening and we were taken right into the room where they were having the seventh workers party congress, the first in 36 years. a few minutes later you see the leader, kim jong-un and his party leadership walking onto the stage and then they announce that he had been given a brand new title, chairman of the workers party of korea. it's hard to imagine how someone who already has absolute power here in north korea could gain even more power from the new title but this is clearly -- they brought us in, they wanted us to take these pictures to show the world, a, kim jong-un is in charge in north korea. b, to show his people, the international media was here to cover it, therefore it gives the whole event much more legitimacy. certainly doesn't seem like he's going anywhere anytime soon. continue to grow the nation's nuclear arsenal. they passed a new resolution to add more nukes to the arsenal. >> will ripley, fascinating report from pyongyang, north korea. ahead on this monday, west point graduates are not allowed
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so is it a victory signal or a political statement? take a look here. this is the picture that has a group of west point cadets in hot water. you see those raised fists often a symbol of unity for african-americans, but some are saying that could be called a partisan political activity where they're aligning with the black lives matter movement, and that type of expression would be a breach of defense department policy. west point says it's looking into it. joining me now to discuss this, mary tobin, a 2003 west point graduate and a mentor to these students. thank you for coming on, mary. >> thank you for having me. >> so, first off, just looking at that picture, you know these students, you have spoken to them since the controversy. what are they doing in that picture? are they aligning themselves with the black lives matter movement as some critics say they are doing? >> so, first, unequivocally, no, they are not aligning themselves with any political movement. they're not making any political
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statement. we've been trained for four years the rules and regulations around partisan activities. we know the rules, and so i ask the question, in a moment in which they are celebrating their achievement, they're getting ready for graduation, they're three weeks away from arguably one of the greatest moments in their lives, would they threaten graduation and even their commissioning by aligning themselves with an activity that they know is against the rules? i think it's incomprehensible. >> so then what are they doing in this picture with the raised fists? >> well, it's not uncommon within the corps cadets to raise our fists in victory, in achievement, in success, and that's what they are doing. they are 16 of roughly 1,000 cadets, 1,000 cadets that don't look like them. the majority of them are white men, and to be honest, when you look around and you look across the landscape and you're three weeks out of graduation, you say to yourself, me and my sisters
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did it. we did it despite the odds. black and white, male and female, so many didn't make it, in and this moment i can look to my left and my right and i celebrate and i raise my fist in victory. i always ask if we look at that picture and we see a negative perception, it is not the burden on these young ladies to prove that they weren't in line with political activity, it's the burden of the person looking at this picture to determine why, why can black female cadets, black ladies that are becoming officers in the united states army, why can't they raise their fist? in does it have to be a negative perception? and that burden isn't on them. it's on american people. >> and you're saying that this expression is a very common expression of unity, has nothing to do with the politics, but we know west point is looking into this. have these women you've spoken with, are they concerned about their careers? >> certainly. that's their focus. we were trained for four years to be the leaders of our
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nation's sons and daughters. that's their focus. some of them are going into combat arms. they have been trained for this moment, but they haven't been trained to defend themselves against falsehoods, and so their main focus right now is how will i be perceived when i go into my next unit? will my soldiers trust me? will they look at me as a neutral and fair leader and that's what they're focusing on right now. >> mary tobin, thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you so much for hearing me. still to come, the damage left behind by this tornado and where the storms could hit today. (man) hmm. what do you think? ♪ (stranger) good mornin'! ♪ (store p.a.) attention shoppers, there's a lost couple in the men's department. (vo) there's a great big un-khaki world out there. explore it in a subaru crosstrek.
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miles per hour. the funnel cloud is three-fou h three-fourths of a mile wide and left behind a trial of damage nearly nine miles long. the and the threat of severe storms continues today. chad myers is joining us now to tell us where the worst could hit. chad? >> pamela, it looks to me like somewhere near shreveport, the arklatex, into oklahoma, maybe into arkansas. so right through here is where the severe weather will be this afternoon. let me back you up though to yesterday when things got rough and tumble. there was bumps and there was hail the size of baseballs. eight tornadoes reported, although i think a few of those reports may have been from the same tornado looking at it from different directions by different spotters but they'll figure that out. but 52 reports of hail and 9 reports of wind damage yesterday, and i think that eventually gets over to the arklatex. now, here is the problem so far today, pamela. we're still getting rain. rain from the storms that
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happened yesterday. there's still that lingering cloud cover and the storms need sunshine. the storms need heat to build to become those tornadic super cells. so the longer it rains shtio, t better it is, the colder the atmosphere stays and you don't get as much buoyancy. there is the severe weather for today. let me give you a better focus here from about almost oklahoma city and tulsa southward to little rock and shreveport and down into thea will te arklatex. the storms may not fire until after dark when the heat of the day finally gets to its highest point and the clouds have moved away. the atmosphere cools aloft and then we start to see that. so be careful because, you know, a lot of times, pamela, those nighttime tornadoes can be the most dngedangerous. you might not be expecting them, might be asleep so keep the apps updated and handy. >> and it might be just the
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beginning. >> it's going to be one day after next to the middle of may, maybe even into june. >> thank you for bringing us the latest and thank you for being here with me. i'm pamela brown. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hello, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. just one day now until the west virginia and nebraska primaries, but more importantly possibly, three days until the paul ryan primary. the powerful house speaker says he is not ready to back his party's presumptive nominee, not yet, not ready to back donald trump. >> the two men will meet thursday in a moment that could determine the future of trump's campaign, the republican party, or both. joining us cnn political director david chalian, but first cnn's phil mattingly to report on this family feud. play the role of richard dawson

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