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thanks for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. if you think donald trump has patched things up with the gop, you have to think again. this is "cnn tonight." voters go to the polls in west virginia in a few hours. will the party be forced to follow his lead whether they
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like it or not. will his meetings thursday with ryan and senate gop leaders seal the deal or make matters worse. will paul ryan back out of sharing the convention? the presumptive gop nominee taking aim at democrats, democrats front-runner. >> she is playing the woman's card to the hit. i watched over the weekend and everything is about women and donald trump raised his voice. it's all nonsense. women understand it better than anybody. watch how well i do with women when it counts, when the election comes. watch how well. >> i'm going to let him run his campaign however he chooses. i am going to run my campaign. >> it is a very, very busy night tonight. we are going to begin with breaking news. the newest web video from hillary clinton's superpac, cnn's chief political correspondent, dana bash, here with that. trump has been scathing in his
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attacks against hillary clinton calling her an enabler because of her husband's infidelities. a group called correct the record, a proclinton superpac, put out this video. >> nobody respects women more than donald trump. >> she came to my wedding. she ate like a pig. seriously, the wedding cake, it was like missing in action. >> does she have a good body? does she have a fat ass? absolutely. i don't think she is very good, highly overrated. when i came out, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes --. obviously, great outer beauty. >> you wouldn't have your job if you weren't beautiful. >> trump knocking heidi klum, saying, sadly, she is no longer a 10. >> a person who is flat-chested
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is very hard to be a 10. >> the women get it better than we do, folks. they get it better than we do. >> i say treat women with respect. >> i can't say that either. >> pretty devastating look at donald trump's own words. how do you think that's going to play? >> first of all, this is a road map that was given to the clinton team. i should say this is the pro-clinton superpac. a road map given to them by the republicans in the never trump movement. they understood that this was a potential weak spot for donald trump, big-time. maybe not as much in the republican electorate. he didn't do as well with women as he did with men. very much so they are hoping,
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certainly now democrats in the general election. now, the fact that it is a pro-clinton superpac and not the actual clinton campaign is very interesting. i any th i think that this is obviously a shot across the bough. this is an example what they are doing going forward, playing hardball. making clear to donald trump, you want to talk about hillary clinton and the woman card and her being an enabler. we have a whole bag of tricks at our disposal that we are going to keep throwing at you while they hope at least, superpac folks, that clinton can talk about issues. i will also say, as i toss it back to you, don, that the trump folks really believe as trump continues to go with his gut on what will play, even with women in the general electorate, even
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with potential crossover voters from the democrats, independent women that, this is still something that will resonate despite his own history and his own words that he has had with them. >> dana bash with us responding to this devastating ad from hillary clinton's superpac, donald trump's own words on women. >> how will republicans respond with this? >> it depends on who it is. the issue for donald trump is that he doesn't have the entirety of the republican party getting ready to gear up behind him. because of what we have been talking about for several days now, since he became the presumptive nominee. that is, that there is a big divide, because so many republicans have thought these very things. if the never trump movement
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funded by republican donors put similar ads up by donald trump. >> is it fair to say the republican party is in the midst of a civil war? donald trump says he is not sure the party has to be united. what's the latest on that? >> it is very far. there is no question it is going through a civil war. it has been going through a crisis of identity and a civil war for some time. it is now that they have a general. the people that are so angry at washington that they can believe in and rely on in donald trump. that is absolutely what we are seeing. to your point earlier about how it is going to play. again, the problem for trump is that he doesn't have all these people behind him. the good thing for donald trump is that he does have these ardent supporters who are continuing to say we are going to go to the matt with hio the
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matter what. fellow republicans just don't get it. that is what we are continuing to see and we will see even and specially as we head into this big meeting this week don with republican leaders and the house and the senate and donald trump. i will make a prediction to you that they will all come out and it will sound like there is sort of a kumbya moment. they have been laying the ground work if you listen closely to what they are saying. it is not in anybody's interest to keep this going. whether or not they can come together and join forces and resources is another question. >> dana bash, thank you very much for that and the breaking news. i want to bring in political commentators, and trump supporter, angela rye. i want to play a portion of the ad and then we will talk about
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it. >> she came to my wedding. she ate like a pig. seriously, the wedding cake was missing in action. >> does she have a good body? no. does she have a fat ass, absolutely. i don't respect her as a journalist. i think she is highly overrated. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes -- blood coming out of her -- wherever. >> i say, do you treat women with respect? >> i can't say this either. >> your response? the video shows donald trump's own words, is this fair game? >> it definitely is fair game i said this before and i will say it again. i do think he needs to have a mea culpa with women. he has to say, the statements i made in the 1990s about women, i don't like those. i think the american people will forgive him. they forgave bill clinton eventually. he wasn't honest with monica lewinsky. i think if he does that, the
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american people will forgive him. >> some of the statements, at least one in this ad, in the short ad, was from the show, blood coming out of her wherever. that interview. some of these are as recently as august and a couple weeks ago. this is not all old stuff from the '90s. >> the two statement that is were recent and the overrated journalist, those are recent. that is not xleer he is refer tog gender at all. he equally attacks men and women. they are conflicting statements from the '90s. i think he was a different person then than he was now. >> you said it is bad. is it devastating? >> i think his counter rebuttal, is effective but not helpful. >> what's your response to this ad? >> one is that all statements are not from the 1990s. they are consistent. he is remarkably misogynist and
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sexist. he continues to hold these crazy beliefs in the words he continues to used to with the hateful vitriol. he says blood coming out of wherever. he meant to say nose. how convenient. what he said about a fellow candidate that was running. car carly fiorina and her face. he talked about the length of time hillary clinton was in the bathroom as disgusting. there are things that weren't in this ad. >> do you agree? >> no, i don't. he attacked marco rubio's appearance and carly fiorina's appearance. he is not saving his attacks just for women. he has attacked men and women equally. i don't think he is the same person. it is up to him to say, i disown the statement fs from the '90s.
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>> his unfavorables with women, they are high. he is going out to hillary clinton and calling her an enabler for her husband. some people think it is fair. some think it is not. she didn't do it. it was her husband who had the infidelities. do you think this will change his strategy? >> it is okay to say, look, this is coming from donald trump. i don't like it. i don't believe it. some people will never believe the things he says. here is bha he can do is say, hey, i'm going to get juanita broaddrick and kathleen willie and let the women tell the story, rather than donald trump. it adds a lot more credibility for that line of attack. >> it shows where we are headed in this particular campaign. angela, do you think it is too late for a mea culpa as kayleigh is saying. do you think women will forgive
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and forget? >> there are certain women who certainly will. you are sitting across from one right now, that's kayleigh. i don't know that that will work with the massive number of women that are supporting donald trump. there is nothing worse to me than blaming someone who was the victim of infidelity for that infidelity or for enabling it. there is nothing worse than talking a whole lot about hillary clinton's role in attacking these women. i know if i were the woman in her shoes, i would have done far worse. all she said was she thought someone was ridiculous. i think we really have to examine some of that. i also think that now that donald trump and his surrogates are attack hillary clinton in words she used while she was a pro bono court-appointed attorney for a client in the '70s, we have to look at some of the things he did in the '70s, including the housing discrimination complaints that he succumbed to. when mike tyson, who is now
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endorsing him, was accused of rape. >> angela, i want to give her a chance to respond. >> angela, the only thing i would question you on, of course, everybody understands being cheated on. that's a horrible feeling. i completely empathize with women that are cheated on. when you have been cheated on for two decades, you know about it and you still -- i am blaming the bully. you are blaming the victim. >> go please read what juanita broaddrick said happened to her. >> go read what donald trump said about mike tyson's rape victim? >> you are throwing stones and you are living in a plexiglas house. there is a major problem here and you are going to have to cop front it on your side too. a man who has the ear of the conservative voters. what they are telling him about donald trump. we'll be right back.
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from chase. so you can. nobody respects women more than donald trump. >> she came to my wedding. she ate like a pig. seriously, the wedding cake was like missing in action. >> does she have a good body? no. >> that new web video hits donald trump pretty hard on
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women. what will voters think. >> let's discuss the man who has the ear of a lot of conservative voters. talk show host, dennis prayi de that video in support of hillary clinton is pretty shooking. you talk to listeners all the time, to a lot of people. how do you think they are going to receive this? >> it depends on who you talk to. if you talk to hillary supporters, you will get one reaction. if you talk to trump supporters, you will get another. i'm not a trump supporter. i'm not a hillary supporter. i opposed the trump nomination. now that he is nominated, i feel i have no choice and will probably vote for him. having said that, i am no fan of his. the man is an equal opportunity boor. he called marco rubio little marco. insulting a man's height. i am 6'4" so i don't take this
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personally but shorter men do take it very seriously. that is what he does. i don't like that aspect of donald trump. but if women want to claim, if feminine claims that women are equals, they have to take insults equal. we are your equal but if you insult us, you are a sexist. can't have it both ways. >> what do you think of the ad's effectiveness? >> i think it is minimal. i actually think she has more to lose and i think they will start dropping it. i think she has more to lose. if the women come out who charge hillary clinton with having mishandled them, who were victims, alleged victims or real victims of her husband, she has much more to lose than to gain. >> more of an impact than a video that is put out online. >> let's talk about the big picture. republican factions are tearing each other apart. where do you see this heading?
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>> you mentioned civil war. there is a sort of civil war. i hope it stops. i don't want four more years of a democrat in the white house. i don't want a woman who i consider dishonorable to be the president of the united states. i don't consider him to be terribly honorable either. i want to make an interesting point here. there is a great deal of soul searching on the right. we care deeply about the character of our nominees. i see no soul searching on the left, none. i don't hear any democrats saying, you know, voting for hillary clinton is not an honorable human being, you don't get any of that. >> have you heard some of the bernie supporters? >> that's bernie supporters, not because of her character, but because of her positions. there is a very big difference. there is lamentation on the part of the right about the character of donald trump. there is nothing about the character of hillary clinton. >> is it more about the character of donald trump because he doesn't have a
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history or a background or resume as a politician? to have his issues looked at? >> well, the issues of the character are even more pronounced then in the case of hillary clinton who does have a track record. he is really a tabular rosin. he is policywide rather opaque. i don't know how he stands. hillary clinton, we do know about the e-mails, we do know about how she acted in the white house with the various scandals. we do know how she treated women. we do know she is the only person, william safire, the late great pul lit zer prize winner of "the new york times." he said she was a congenital liar. he had never used that phrase in his 50 years of writing. he never used that about a public person and said that
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about hillary clinton. >> donald trump is saying that the party needs to fall in line with him. is it the burden of the party to unite around donald trump? >> that's a great question. in my opinion, it is his task now that he has won or ostensibly won, it is his task to unite the party. they are standing, begging, please be decent to us, just say, okay, i want to join with you. he doesn't. it is so odd to me. the speaker of the house, paul ryan, everyone knows is such a good guy, even if you don't agree with him politically. everybody knows he is honorable. just treat him decently. say, you know what, paul -- you know what, congressman or mr. speaker, i want to be with you and the republican party. that would work. >> that simple. just be the bigger.
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take the high road. always take the high road sfwchlt cl . >> if you are the winner, take the high road. over the past week, donald trump has really contradicted his earlier position on taxes, minimum wage and debt. as a conservative, are you wore ryed about what his positions would do to the economy? >> as any nonconservative economic positions worry me. i have two choices. she, i know, will expand the government, expand the debt. she will abolish fracking, which has been at the source of our -- to the extent that we have had an economic growth. this utterly safe way of getting energy. she is opposed because she had to meet bernie sanders leftist supporters. i know how devastating she will be to the economy. i can't assume he will be as bad. >> dennis, i have to go. i am over time. this popped into my head.
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you are the perfect person to ask. he said that he is a republican. he is not a conservative. he said, in other countries there is a party for that. how does that hit you as a republican or a conservative? >> i am a conservative. it is troubling. nevertheless, in life, it is very rare that you have a chiz between good and bad. it is usually bad and worse. >> dennis prager, always a pleasure, sir. >> thank you, same here. >> does donald trump have a strategy to rally the republican party and could it work? we're going to talk about that next. to do one thing & another. only at&t has the network, people, and partners to help companies be... local & global. open & secure. because no one knows & like at&t.
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>> she came to my wedding. she ate like a pig. does she have a good body? no. does she have a fat ass? absolutely. i don't respect her as a journalist. i don't any she is very good. i think she is highly overrated. when i came out, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> i say, can you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that either.
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>> let's discuss this new video. bob cusack is the editor in chief of the jeff debit is a trump surrogate and amy holmes, and van jones, cnn political contributor. this video is from "correct the record," a proclinton superpac. jeff, i'm going to go to you. do you think donald trump should be going after hillary clinton on the women thing given what we just saw? >> the way politics work, and a long-time politics like hillary clinton knows it best. they divide it into segments and say, we are going to try to win the women vote and donald trump is going ought for all of america. in the past, he was an entertainer. he has said some things that was meant to entertain. he is running to be the president of the united states
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and i think he is doing a great job. i think he is going to bring a different approach to this. what she is doing is to try to divide america. >> van jones, go ahead. listen, when you came on, honestly, you guy ws were talki. she said you were really concerned about the tenor of this campaign. >> i feel so sad. i think the big fear was, if you have donald trump and hillary clinton, people with a bunch of negatives. they are going to drive each other's negatives higher and higher and higher and there is some anti-matter explosion and we all just perish. that's what it feels like is happening. >> van jones, didn't you work in the white house? >> deep inside, i think most americans hope it will turn into an episode of the west wing and
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some intelligent person gets in instead. we are going to talk about big hands and little hand and whether or not monica lewinsky. ordinary people in the country are hoping that somebody -- i think hillary clinton is betting at some point we get back to the issues. >> do you think people would rather hear about policy than what happened in the '80s and '90s and how he feels about women? >> i do agree with that. i think these attacks are fair game for both sides. unfortunately, these attacks are in the gutter. that's where both sides have been at different points in their lives. the tax on donald trump are completely fair. he has said these things and attacked women in particular way that is attack female femininity. i think that's a thing that voters will have to grapple with and donald trump will have to answer. we saw a similar attack during the republican primary by an anti-trump superpac. >> when he went after ted cruz'
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wife. >> i agree the intention is to drive a wedge between donald trump and female voters. i think it is also about character, tough questions they will have to face. >> bob cusack, amy mentioned it, because is it happened during and with the republicans. remember when he came out and tweeted about heidi cruz and her looks. the superpac had no connection with ted cruz. i am wondering if he is going to directly connect this with hillary clinton even though it is a superpac and she has nothing to do with it. he says, if she went to the gutter, i would go to the gutter. now, here we go. >> i think he is going to do that. these are clearly hillary clinton allies. by law, they can't communicate. when he talked about cruz, he said, listen, these guys know each other. he suggested they were breaking the law by communicating. i think donald trump should be using his family more, talking more about the women that he hired as opposed to going after
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her so early. i do agree with van, this is going to get real tiresome very quickly. it could be the nastiest election. when you talk about a third party, the possibility of somebody getting in, wouldn't need a sugar daddy, would have to be financed. maybe that person gets a serious look if this is going to be in the gutter for the next six, seven months. >> we have showed the proclinton superpac video. let's show donald trump in his own words, what he has to say about hillary clinton. >> nobody in this country, and maybe in the history of the country politically, was worse than bill clinton with women. he was a disaster. he was a disaster. there has never been anybody like this. she was a total enabler. she would go after these women and destroy their lives. she was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler and bha she did to
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a lot of those women is disgraceful. >> he actually had the affairs but he is connecting hillary clinton to it saying she is an enabler. is this without a difference? >> boy, i'm not the right person to ask that question to. i just know that we get through a primary. the primary, you see a lot more personal attacks to. there are so few differences in the issues, because you are on the same side of the aisle. i think this stuff is going to end quickly. when we get to the general, we are not there yet. the democrats have to get through and figure out who the nominee is. we assume it is going to be hillary. you never know. the differences are so vast between their policies. i think this whole election is going to pivot. it is going to be about the policies. >> when you say quickly, everybody on this panel went
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like that. >> these are two heavyweight fighters in the first round that are just getting in the ring and taking those little jabs. i think they are both going to realize too that what's really going to land are the heavy blows. that's going to come from policies. donald trump has the right policies and hillary clinton is an extension of obama. >> how wrong is jeff dewitt about this coming to an end very quickly? we'll stop right after the break and stay with me. will paul ryan end up giving his support to donald trump? does trump even need it? we'll talk about that next. you wouldn't haul a load without checking your clearance. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.
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we're back. guess bha what we are talking about. bob cusack, jeff dewitt, amy holmes and van horn. i hope you are sitting down for this. is this going to stop soon as jeff dewitt predicted? >> no. it is not. it is past the prologue.
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this primary season, we have seen that donald trump has relied on personal attack and personal invek tiff to win the primary. when it comes to policy, it tends to be pretty thin on the ground. you have some slogans that have worked that i think speak to deep concerns among voters and the american people. he is even flip-flopping on some of those. he said he would raise taxes on the rich and now he is saying the rich would pay less. i'm not sure where this thoughtf thoughtful meaty policy discussion is going to happen on the trump side. >> is some of this to get people not to talk about a tax plan, economic plan, foreign policy and to talk about these things or this is just who he is? >> i think this is just who he is. he has been successful. who thought he would get the nomination? the general election electorate is very different than the primary. >> i did.
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>> is that proven? go on. >> listen, i think that this is donald trump. this is who he is. we saw with his top adviser, paul manafort and donald trump being more raucous than ever. >> it was hillary supporters that started it, at least today. i think part of it is, i think hillary supporters believe in strenlt strength as well. you have two candidates whose fundamental deep value is strength. i want to be strong. as a woman, i don't want to be pushed around. as a white guy, i'm tired of us being pushed around. there is a tendency to get in all kinds of fights. how are ordinary people going to be benefited by either one of these characters. the more you have this going on,
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the more people tune out that have real problems. >> how much does this taint hillary clinton. as van jones says, he is tired of it. jeff dewitt says, oh, they should talk about issues. is this ultimately a negative possibly for had cillary clinto? historically, what we know, negative attack ads tend to drive up the negative of attacker and the target. this is something that could be risky for hillary clinton as well. getting back to donald trump and whether or not he is going to campaign in more substantive manner, this is the person who bragged that he didn't study for the debates. he just sort of stood on stage and made faces and sneered and mocked his competitors. i don't know if that is going to get him through the debates with hillary clinton. >> he did more than that. >> on the reverse side, interestingly, ironically, when donald trump's numbers have gone up, it is when he has hit on a
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policy position that has really resonated. when he said he was going to build that wall in terms of immigration reform, for a lot of americans who feel economically insecure because of the competition from illegal immigrants coming to the united states, that sent him to the front of the line with republicans. when he said he was going to keep muslims out of america, i don't happen to agree with that position, that's when his poll numbers went up. i would advise donald trump to keep the personal attacks at a minimum and stick fot issues. so far, the issues actually have been working for him. >> this might work for him, jeff. let's talk about donald trump's meeting with paul ryan on thursday. i am wondering if you think that could work for him. what are the chances that donald trump comes out with an endorsement from the speaker. i think that would help him tremendously. >> i think it would help the speaker as well. the speaker is overplaying his hand and misreading the public on what he should be doing. the speaker very much needs to get in line with where the rest
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of america is at. let's support our nominee and move forward. going back to what amy just said, keep in mind, the first half of the day today, we were talking about trump's economic platform. that is what he was on tv talking about this morning. that drove the news, up until this video came out, 45 minutes ago. that wasn't a donald trump video. as an elected official myself, the mistake i think the hillary people are making on that. the negatives go for both candidates, the one that does the hitting and you have to build up your bank and talk about yourselves and your positi positive. any time you do a hit, if you don't have any positives. for hillary's people to be hitting so early, they are driving a bad narrative that is going to hurt their candidate. >> i think speaker, paul ryan, is in a tough position. he has a vision for the republican party that's more of
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a jack kemp inclusive, everybody in, party, the exact opposite of a donald trump. whatever he does tomorrow, i think he gets hurt. i think in the long-term, if he now embraces the kind of stuff you hear from donald trump, i don't know where he goes and his party goes. >> is he like, hey, listen. i don't have to go to this convention. if i get invited, i'm feel terrible. let me get out of here. >> thanks, everyone. i appreciate it. when we come back, a lot of people were blindsided by the unconventional rise of donald trump. not everybody was. we'll talk to the man that saw this coming a mile away. see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis
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scholar and author of "it's even worse than it looks." my goodness. it is not a positive thing. we'll take it. we like it. norm, you say it is one thing to have a long-time senator outside of the party wing win a nomination but it is another to have someone with no political experience coming in and stealing the show. how did we end up here? >> in a lot of ways, we could see this coming over the last several years. in the book, tom mann and i, "it is even worse than it was." and the next one will be "run for your lives." we saw a republican party that was going off the rails and a group of leaders that had gun to promise people in the aftermath of the collapse and the bailout all kinds of things that they weren't going to be able to deliver. bring barack obama to his knees, repeal obamacare, blow up government as we know t the opportunity for an outsider or
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insurgent was very, very strong. going back a year ago, i saw republicans show 60%-70% supporters for outsiders and 20% for the establishment figures. donald trump was pretty clear was the strongest and savviest at being able to tap into a lot of the angry populism out there and the distrust and distaste and dislike for the republican establishment leaders. >> then, listen, you said, "run for your lives," that's the new edition or that's what's coming out. >> let's hope that's not what's coming out. >> specifically then, where is this anger coming from, norm? >> a good part of it, don, i think, goes back to the economic collapse and the bailout. we always get populism. populism brings with it nativeism, protectionism and some isolation. >> that's what we are seeing. >> the nativeism has a significant racial compontoent it. you have a lot of people that
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are dislocated, stagnant wanls, lost their homes or seen their home values drop. they don't know where they are going in the society. they see a country that is becoming by 2% every year inexorably a majority minority country. you put all those disconnects together and we are getting the populism that let a ross perot emerge without some of that edge in 1992 that trump has been able to exploit much better. >> you say donald trump is my fault as much as anybody else's. why do you say that? >> for a very long time, just what he was talking about, back in 2008, when t.a.r.p. and the auto bailouts came out, a lot of people on the right were very upset. i remember very well when george bush said that he had to abandon the free market in order to save it. that was kind of a clarifying moment for me and for a lot of others. there were conscientious people that came out that really did want a change in the way government functioned.
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government spending was too high. debt was out of control. deficits were out of control. there was a desire for it to be less about democrats versus republicans. there was underlying element of people that were angry and outraged and i would say in my opinion, a little less rational. they were always there but weren't necessarily leading the movement. in 2011 and 2012, my experience was, when romney didn't win, a lot of the more conscientious people went home. i don't know if they gave up or just thought it wasn't work. the people that were left were this outraged group. certain websites that i've been critical of for a long time, like brad bart news after andrew's death channeled a lot of that anger and found a wa to sort of profit off of it. they sold ideas about what they thought politicians should be able to do and then sold the outrage that they didn't do it, regardless of what they were
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saying should be done was possible. >> they were exploiting people? >> i believe. >> what do you wish you had done differently? >> i wish i had called them out. i wish i had called the people out at these rallies. i wish when i went to rallies in 2010 and 2011 and i had conversations with people i agreed with them on 70% of what they were talking about and when they said 30% that made me cringe and i kept quiet, i shouldn't have. >> norm, do you think people should have done things differently and called out some websites exploiting people's anger? >> i do think that, don. there are a lot of other people that enabled much of this to take place. when tom and i first wrote our book and we basically said that the republican party had become an insurgent outlier.
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a lot of bloggers and other writers sort of rallied behind the party. they said, everything is just fine. it is the same as it was. when we saw a pretty deliberate attempt to blow up the governing process, vote in unison, make every victory look ugly. make the whole government look so terrible. we had force including many in the mainstream media who just shrugged at all of that and you have a lot of people out there that are saying, how could anything be worse than the idiots in washington which becomes prime territory for a donald trump to emerge. >> to ben's point, they gave false expectations about what government could do, could accomplish my question is, as you know, paul ryan, wasn't ready for donald trump yesterday. why do you say that a party that calls paul ryan a rhino is
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symbolic of the entire problem sflchproblem. >> when you have the guy who is the most conservative speaker in the house of representatives called out as a rhino, a republican in name only, not just because he said, i'm not ready to support donald trump, but also because he got behind a budget deal that raised the cap just enough that they could actually maybe pass some appropriation bills and many in his own party are undercutting him on that basis, almost anybody who is trying to do something to govern is going to be called out. at some point, we are going to have to have a reckoning in a party that's going to be a conservative party, a party, i think, that ben ultimately is going to feel comfortable with. if you are going to be con tem shoe us of government, you are going to blow up sgchlt will i've gotta run. we'll have you back. thank you, ben. thank you, norm. see you next time. we'll be right back.
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