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be. we are in this campaign to win the democratic nomination! [ cheers and applause ] and we are going to fight for every last vote in oregon, kentucky, california, the dakotas. now, we fully acknowledge, we are good at arithmetic. that we have an uphill climb ahead of us. but we are used to fighting uphill climbs.
we have been fighting uphill from the first day of this campaign when people considered us a fringe candidacy. and our message to the democratic delegates who will be assembling in philadelphia is while we may have many disagreements with secretary clinton, there is one area we agree. and that is, we must defeat donald trump. [ cheers and applause ] trump is not going to become president for a number of reasons. and the major reason is that the american people understand that
we cannot have a president who has insulted latinos and mexicans. who has insulted muslims. who every day is insulting women in one way or another. who has insulted veterans like john mccain and others. who has insult eed african-americans in a very profound way. people sometimes forget that before mr. trump was running for
president, he was one of the leaders of the so-called birther movement. and that movement was a very ugly effort to delegitimatize the presidency of the first african-american president in our history. >> cnn's brianna keilar was with the sanders campaign in oregon. it was a big night for sanders. he and his supporters are super charged now, but does this change the map for him? >> reporter: you know, the math would have to change in order for him to be successful in achieving the democratic nomination and it was interesting, because when you heard him say tonight, he sort of lay ought why the math is so difficult. he said, we have received 45% of the pledged delegates. so super delegates aside, that's where hillary clinton has a
major lead. just look at the pledged delegates where she has a lead of about 300. he's saying, we've done about 45% so far. in order for bernie sanders to even break even with hillary clinton on these pledged delegates, we would have to win 66% of them going forward in these next several contests before everything wraps up here in mid-june. that's a far cry from 44%. he would really have to amp up his performance and that's why people look at that and say, that is nearly impossible. because really, it would have to be an entirely different campaign or an entirely different level of press conference. he hit hillary clinton tonight on so many things. trade, the campaign finance, a donation she got from alice walton of the walton family of walmart so he went after her a lot, but also went after donald trump a lot. as he said, there are many disagreements with secretary
clinton, but there is something we agree on, and that is that donald trump cannot be president. >> well, donald trump said very clearly tonight, he's not going anywhere. he says, i am in it to win it. >> yes. there's kind of different things you're hearing to explain this. he says he's in it to win it. he's pushing towards philadelphia which is the convention. he says everyone who wants to vote in a democratic primary to have a shot at that. june 14th is when voters in washington, d.c. get their say in their primaries. he's saying he's going to push forward. he sounded like a candidate who's pushing forward tonight and continuing in this primary battle, but it's a two-track system, where he's pushing forward and trying to get as many delegates as possible and he's also trying to influence, win or lose, the democratic party's view. their platform. i've been talking with an aide,
don, close to bernie sanders, who is saying that, yes, we are pushing forward, but come june 7th, we will be assessing where this campaign is. if bernie sanders sighs that -- and those around him see that there is absolutely no way that he can get to the nomination, we are expecting him to acknowledge that. when will that be? we don't expect it to be until after voters in washington, d.c. have gone to the polls, that would be june 14th, the soonest. but i think there is sort of a sign that there are some in the sanders' campaign that see the writing on the wall and what he's fighting for now is to have as much influence as possible, and then this sort of shoot the moon attempt at trying to seize the democratic nomination. >> brianna keilar, salem, oregon. thank you, brianna. i want to bring in now cnn's jeff zeleny in kentucky where 55 delegates are at stake in next week's primary.
so hillary clinton took a big hit in west virginia. are these continue d victories are going to hurt, for bernie, are they helping her? >> they're sure not helping. the defeats are racking up. last week it was indiana, tonight it's west virginia. mathematically, the clinton campaign has a sizable lead and hillary clinton will have not to win anymore contests to maintain her lead in pledged delegates. she would not have to win anything else, not california, not new jersey, not oregon, not next week in kentucky. she can still maintain her lead. of course, they would like to win some states here, but mathematically, it doesn't hurt her. politically speaking, republicans are already seizing on this. reince priebus, the chairman of the republican national committee is poking fun at her for losing yet another contest. i assume that donald trump will probably join in that tomorrow, here. so it's not good politically, but mathematically speaking,
it's okay. but don, going fad here. i'm struck by how similar this is to eight years ago. hillary clinton won the last burst of contests in 2008. barack obama lost the final bursts of contests in 2008 and he of course became the nominee and became president. so she is not all that worked up about it, but certainly they're ready for this primary to be over. >> let's talk more about bernie sanders' momentum. because he wasn't yielding on the campaign trail, promising to fight for every single delegate left in the race. he said that tonight. is he trying to get as much leverage, as brianna said, as possible, going into this convention, or is he planning to fight for those super delegates? >> he is planning to get as much leverage as possible. in a perfect world, he would love to convince the super delegates to come over to him. he's very realistic about this. he has within around washington a long time. yes, he's an outsider. but he knows that all these super delegates are with her. he's going to make the argument, but don, i was struck by, i've listened to so many of bernie
sanders' speeches throughout this whole campaign season. i believe that tonight he made a perfect pitch that he is going to be the clinton campaign's biggest weapon against donald trump. he made clear that he is going to do everything he can to prevent donald trump from winning. so once this race is over, the best perhaps strongest weapon in the clinton campaign's arsenal to stop donald trump may be bernie sanders in terms of convincing some of his supporters that donald trump should not be elected. yes, he's still going after her s somewhat, but if you look at what's happening in the last seven days or 14 days, he has turned the page here and he's very realistic on this, don. this party is not totally united, but certainly much more united than the republican party. >> jeff zeleny in louisville, kentucky. thank you, chuck. sara murray is on fifth avenue where the presumptive nominee is adding to his delegate count tonight.
another big win for donald trump with wins in nebraska and west virginia. what's the campaign saying tonight? >> reporter: that's right, don. not a totally unexpected win, since all the other republicans have dropped out of the race, but donald trump still put out a statement, sort of reveling in these voirks and says he looks forward to notching even more victories in the upcoming contests on the west coast. he's trying to get all the delegates he needs to lock down this nomination once and for all. the but the trump campaign already feels more confident than they did a week ago or a couple weeks ago about their odds in the general election. when you look at these number quinnipiac polls, they look at donald trump being slightly ahead of hillary clinton in ohio and essentially being in a dead heat in florida and pennsylvania and they feel very confident about their odds and potentially even about their ability to expand the map in november. >> you know, there's a lot of talk about who donald trump is going to pick as his running
mate today and marco rubio told jake tapper he's not interested. take a listen to this. >> he's the presumptive nominee at this point. but he would be best served by having someone, not just, by the way, a vice presidential nominee, but active surrogates, who agree with him on his issues. my differences with donald, both my reservations about his campaign and my policy differences with him are well documented and they remain and i think he would be best served by having people close to him and his campaign that are enthusiastic about the things he stands for. >> so, sarah, he says he's going to stick by the pledge of support to the republican nominee, but he isn't sure what's going to happen after that. that's not a ringing endorsement, right? >> reporter: no, don, i would not call that a ringing endorsement. you saw the rhetorical backflips paul ryan had to do, because he already said, i promise to support the republican nominee. look, i think this is a mark of
just how vicious these republican primaries were. and the fact that ted cruz can't go out there and say he's going to support donald trump. it was because a lot of these dw attacks were very personal, for cruz, it was against his wife, against his father. for marco rubio, he ended up in a gutter, in a place he didn't want to be, trying to out-trump trump. it's really hard to say he's not ready for the presidency, then turn around and say you're going to vote for someone, even harder to pull off ringing endorsement in that sense. >> thank you, sarah. my political dream team is here. my head is spinning. i'm not sure what any of this means. i support him, but not sure i'm going to vote for him. republican strategist kevin mad p with us. bakari sellers and market hoover. what's your takeaway on these
contests tonight? >> i think it spells trouble for hillary clinton because she hasn't been able to close a deal. she said some pretty damaging comments about the number one industry in the state. you can't walk away from it and say she can't recover, but bernie sanders will continue on and is going to cause heartburn to the clinton campaign, until there is some kind of truce brokered. and as brianna said, that could very well happen after the california tor d.c. primary. >> one more democrat. what do you think km >> i think tonight was a big night for bernie sanders. he went into west virginia, he had to win, and he did watt. but i'm not sure how much data you can take away from the race in west virginia in 2008. you saw hillary clinton beat barack obama in 2012. he had a convicted felony prison who got 41% of the vote. so you don't want to take
anything away from brrnernie sande sanders. he has every right to stay in the race, as long as he wants to. hillary clinton didn't get out of the race until june 8th in 2008. he's turning a lot of that energy towards donald trump and i think that this team that the democrats are putting together for november is starting to look really good. >> we'll talk more about his fire, because it was fire tonight when it came to donald trump. we'll talk more about that later. quickly on this side of the room, just your takeaway. >> i think the story is about hillary clinton and her weakness. i think for republicans, we're -- if we were running anyone else against hillary clinton, we'd win, because she is such a weak candidate and she is so -- every demographic group, including the millennials, hillary clinton is really, really vulnerable and widely disliked. the trouble is that donald trump is even more disliked and that's a challenge for us. but especially the coal remarks. hillary clinton really stepped into it. donald trump is probably going to win west virginia. >> guess, they took up all of
your time. there was a reason we played that long sound bite of bernie sanders at the top of the show, because he really went after donald trump. why isn't hillary clinton doing that? we'll talk about that right after the break. p is growing, with creative new business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decades, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in buffalo, where the largest solar gigafactory in the western hemisphere will soon energize the world. and in syracuse, where imagination is in production. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov
names. what's your takeaway from tonight? >> i agree with margaret that it exhibits that hillary clinton is not a strong candidate. she has a lot of vulnerability, each time she runs, a no-name candidate comes from out of nowhere and beats her. where i disagree is that i think donald trump is a very strong candidate. i think he's rewriting the map, the polls in ohio and pennsylvania that came out today, he's showing stronger than mitt romney did in those polls. i think he's a strong candidate, he's going to rewrite the map and it's not looking good for hillary. >> first of all, i don't think the trump people, kaylee, with all due respect, should be overconfident here. i think the combination of bernie sanders, hillary clinton, barack obama, and a divided republican party will crush donald trump. but i think this is a huge win for bernie sanders. it's very, very important. and it is important to point out that hillary won this state by over 40 points in 2008.
she lost it tonight by 15 points. the times have changed and bernie sanders is reflecting the change in this economic anxiety. he's tapped into that. hillary clinton has not. she's supposedly the presumptive nominee of the party. so how come bernie sanders keeps winning states? this is still a hot contest on the democratic side and it's going to go all the way to the convention. kevin? >> on that point, the voters are not yet ready to buy into the story line that this campaign is over. and i think they want to continually send messages to the front-runners or the supposed front-runners that they have a voice in this and they're not very happy. polls in places like florida, pennsylvania, ohio right now are not predictive and west virginia is not exactly the 50-yard-line of american politics. a lot of what we saw with some of these voters is not necessarily predictive of performances we'll see with a much wider, a much broader, a
much more diverse electorate in november. >> what are you saying? >> we take a look at the microcosm that west virginia voters presented us and what it says about hillary clinton is not necessarily predictive of what a national electorate will say -- >> or the democrats don't win. >> do you think the polls matter now? do you think it matters this far out? >> it matters at this moment in time as we want to sit around -- listen, listen. it matters for us to have a discussion about where we are in the state of the race. does it matter in november? no, it doesn't. >> sanders beats him in every -- >> but -- >> hillary clinton does not beat mr. trump in every one. mr. bakari? >> let me just say this. we are discounting the fact that hillary clinton is a pretty strong closer. no matter what happens this month or next month or quite frankly in august. she's a fighter, a knife fighter, and she will battle it into november. we'll see if donald trump will be the same way.
>> when have we seen hillary clinton -- combat hillary that you just -- >> in 2008 -- >> in new york. >> but this is not the new york senate. this is a presidential election against probably one of the most aggressive opponents she will ever face. >> so you think that come november, that she will not be aggressive in winning? >> i think one of the biggest problems that hillary clinton has right now is that she's going against an entirely asymmetrical opponent in donald trump. hillary clinton has been very cautious. she has been very calculating in a way that i think is not going to be well suited for a battle against donald trump. >> that gets to my point. and the reason i wanted to play that of bernie sanders tonight going directly after donald trump, every time someone asks hillary clinton a question on donald trump, she says, i'm not going to comment on the way he's running his campaign.
why does she not go for the jugular? >> i think what their calculation is, it's like the old saying that you don't want to get in a fight with a pig, because everybody gets dirty and the pig likes it. but what i think a lot of democratic voters really like about bernie sanders, he seems to be this authentic, progressive warriors, willing to have this clash of political civilizations against the right as they see it. that's why they rally to him and why they're still rallying to him this late in the primary contest. >> the facts remain that hillary clinton is still 3 million votes, even after tonight, ahead of bernie sanders. and the fact of the matter is that she still has more delegates, more pledged delegates than bernie sanders and a larger pledged delegate lead than barack obama had at any point. but back to these quinnipiac polls, in the same polling group, in ohio, back in 2008 at this time, mitt romney was up by five points against barack obama. and you want to talk about these
polls and why these polls don't matter and i don't think that these polls, they should be ashamed of these polls they put out today is because of the simple fact they underpolled voters of color by up to five points. they did something that hadn't been done in two decades. >> can you compare this to last time? it's completely different with donald trump and bernie sanders in the race. this is bernie sanders tonight and we'll discuss. >> it is not only national polls where we defeat trump by bigger numbers than secretary clinton, it is state poll after state poll after state poll. just in the last day. just in the last day, two national polls have us beating trump by bigger margins than secretary clinton. four statewide polls. in pennsylvania, in
pennsylvania, ohio, florida, and new hampshire, in every one of those polls, we beat trump or do better against trump than does secretary clinton. >> you can't argue with the facts. he's right. >> and as a sanders man, i do still want to say part of the reason that hillary doesn't do better in the polls is she's been attacked for 25 years or 30 years and bernie sanders has not. you've got to put that out. at the same time, i think it would be worrying to the clinton camp that this guy that they say is so bad, she's not beating him in states she's got to win. pennsylvania, ohio, and florida. there's something wrong with that campaign is not connecting here. >> fast, mark. >> to your point about bernie sanders, he has nothing to lose. he's not going to run for office again, he's the head of a movement, he's in a different position than hillary clinton is right now. an absolutely different position and quite frankly could be very, very powerful and helpful to hillary clinton. >> he is hillary clinton's
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and we're back with breaking news. bernie sanders beats hillary clinton in west virginia, democratic primary, donald trump, theresumptive nominee, winning both gop races in west virginia and nebraska. and my dream team, i'll just call them my panel. all right, they're back. kayla, you wanted to get in on this conversation. >> hillary clinton is trying to stay out of it. i think she looks at the republican field and how it winnowed, especially every time a republican candidate chose to attack donald trump, the history shows you attack donald trump, he attacks back, you exit the race. he's going to have a very hard time. a debate, they're going to be there, side by side, and there will be questions she has to answer for e-mails, benghazi, you name it, the clinton foundation, all of those things will be asked and i think she'll be put on her heels, because she is not a candidate good on the fly. >> so margaret, i said before
the break, is bernie sanders her secret weapon. she gets to the general, she's the nominee, bernie sanders is out there campaigning for her, is he going to be the guy who will take on donald trump? because donald trump mentioned bill clinton and all of a sudden the clinton camp got really silent, even bill clinton got silenced. >> bernie sanders is a critical weapon for hillary clinton. he will be there defending her and making a case for her, but so will elizabeth warren and so will the entire democratic establishment. everybody will be. bernie sanders has a unique role, because he has to solidify all of these primary voters who frankly don't like hillary clinton. that's why they're there with him. and heads to be there saying, you go vote for hillary clinton, vote against donald trump. he will be the crowd, he'll bring everybody together. against her. by the way, that's what the democrats need to do. if they're going to drive up the high personal of african-americans and women, frankly. this unique coalition that obama was able to put together two times, hillary clinton needs.
and the enthusiasm for her is less than it was for barack obama. it's the anti-trump animus that will propel it. >> as we continue to talk, let's put up this polling from the swing states and looking at this. you have been saying undersampling, especially of minorities going on. how does this change after the conventions, after there is a nominee? >> i think one of the things we have to look at is how barack obama got to 330 votes in 2012 against mitt romney. that went through voters of color and women. the and the best turnout mechanism that democrats have in this race is actually donald trump. because i believe that it was lindsey graham who went out and said that he has a campaign that's built on racism and religious bigotry. and that's what you see. and that is going to be a driving factor. and you have polls like this, as i was saying earlier, when you undersample or don't sample enough persons of color, it skews your results. one thing we've seen, in each
election cycle, the number of hispanic and african-american voters ticks up, not down. >> van jones, says within the african-american community, donald trump's rates are poor. that means 30% have not made up their mind. if he can get half of that and move those numbers just a bit. >> my retort to you would be very simple. how? how does he do that? how does someone, when you go back to the central park 5, when you go back to all of his statements that are rooted in such bigotry. and donald trump is not a racist by any stretch, but donald trump has used racism in this campaign to propel his political message. how would he get half of that 0 30% -- >> let's not confuse a disapproval rating with --
there's no way that he'll get -- >> no, but if he can move that number by even 5%, you can win an election with that. >> 5% on the african-american vote? >> yes. >> if he outperformed mitt romney by 5%. and he can do it. >> you're the only person who is realistic and not drinking tonight. bernie sanders talking about donald trump. i'll let you get in. listen. >> donald trump is not going to become president for a number of reasons. and the major reason is that the american people understand that we cannot have a president who has insulted is latinos and mexicans.
who has insulted muslims. who every day is insulting women in one way or another. who has insulted african-americans in a very profound way. people sometimes forget that before mr. trump was running for president, he was one. leaders of the so-called birther moveme movement. and that movement was a very ugly effort to delegitimate iiz the presidency of the first african-american president in our history. >> okay, so no matter how much donald trump says he's going to end, surrogates will say it's
whether you believe he is a bigot or not, that is a perception. and sometimes perception is reality. >> it's a perception in the media. >> it's a perception among african-americans, let me tell you that, yes. >> the media has tried desperately from the beginning of this campaign to paint a caricature of donald trump. each week it was something different. everyone said, he has no chance in the republican primary. he won indominantly so in the republican party. like wooids, now the democrats are on board with attempting to create this caricature. when voters look for themselves in the policies, they don't see racism and bigotry. they see common sense. i think the caricature attempt are backfire. >> i don't think you have to go very far. if you take his comment about banning all muslims, take his comment about deporting 12 million immigrants, mainly mexicans, and take his comment of his history of leading the birther movement, he may not be a racist, but those are all
racist policies and that sticks with him. >> we say amen. >> this is exactly what i'm talking about, the caricature. banning all muslims. that's simply not true. there is nuance there. he said, temporarily ban non-u.s. citizen muslim until we figure out how someone got into this country and killed 12 americans. there are qualifiers there. when people look at the motive, they see that americans died because someone got into the this country legally and they look at that policy and don't think it's that crazy and exit ling bears that out. >> so how can you say that's different than him saying he's going to keep all muslims out. he said, i'll make an exception for the mayor of london. bfd, i mean, come on! >> no, no, no, don't go there. >> as a republican who is interested in the future of the republican party and us being
able to win national elections again, i just want to push back, a, on this notion that donald trump has won indomitably. he won a plurality of the vote. and we have to take the opportunity to really just call out the birtherism. the birtherism, that is -- does not represent the principles of the republican party or the best traditions in the u.s. politics. it represents the worst of them. there were a lot of birthers, but smart republicans and good republicans in leadership across the country drew that line and said donald trump and the wing nuts on our party are not part of our party. and we have to continue to do that. we have to distinguish ourselves on the right from the radical fringe. we do not want that in the party. and donald trump has not accounted for that. he did lead the birther movement against barack obama and that is inexcusable in republican -- >> by the way -- >> i've got to go to break. we'll talk about that.
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breaking news tonight, donald trump, the presumptive nominee. cruz has two more victories in nebraska and west virginia. joining me now, eric beach. the co-chair of the pro-trump great america pac. the great america pac. i wonder where you got that name for a, eric. >> a mix of terms. >> last night, hillary clinton's super pac released this web video. watch this. >> she came to my wedding, she ate like
a pig, and seriously, the wedding cake was like missing in action. >> did she have a good body, no. does she have a fat ass, absolutely? i have no respect for her as a journalist. i don't think she's very good. i think she's highly overrated. and when i came out, you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that, either. >> eric, how are you going to counter that? >> i think donald trump's
policies are how you respect women. i think donald trump's policies are how you respect, you know, any minority, anybody -- any minorities. you know, i think that, when you look at not his rhetoric, but the policy positions. and i think us as a republican party, we should start respecting women by talking about jobs and, you know, talking about balancing our checkbooks and things of that nature that affect all americans. i think that's how we respect women and reach out to women and minorities. >> so you don't plant to, not an add or something like that or a video to counter that with maybe hillary clinton in her own words? >> donald trump can take
care of himself. he certainly can defend himself. i think one of the things we're going to try to do is we have over 2 million ardent supporters that have signed up with us this and we want to mobilize and energize. even though he's a multi-billionaire, donald trump is still a grassroots and a tea party candidate. we used to ask -- last two election cycles, we used to ask
the grassroots to come and accept it will republican establishment candidate. this time we'll try to follow -- >> did you say he's a tea party candidate? a lot of kbrogroans on this panf experts. >> i'm sure there's some classic folks on your panel. i know a few of them as well and know they do a great job. but we have to listen to the grassroots and where they are. donald trump after california will have more votes than any other presidential candidate in a republican primary. that needs to be listened to. the people are talking and we need to listen. >> so, eric, up until this point, trump has said that his campaign is self-funded. how do you think voters are going to react to your super pac? are they going to call trump a flip-flopper, because now he has a pac? >> well, up to this point, you know, he has talked about himself self-funding and he also said that in the general election, this is going to be a billion dollar campaign. you can't get there in $2,700 increments, which is all you can
get, but right now, with millions of supporters that have been accumulated through our efforts, you know, we've got to do everything we can to mobilize and energy them. you know, the other side, hillary clinton's side or maybe bernie sanders' side, who knows, they're going to have the necessary resources through either unions or other types of super pacs. so we need to at least match those efforts. >> i'm wondering what this is going to mean for you on thursday. this meeting, because, let me read this tweet first. donald trump tweeted this out. he said, i look very much forward to meeting with paul ryan and the kbgop party leadership thursday in d.c. together we'll meet the dems at all levels. do you think these big donors are waiting to see what happens with trump's thursday meetings? are you waiting as well? does this change anything for you? will it? >> not really. in 2012, we lost eight out of nine of the swing states. this time around, you know, i think we have a great chance to win in certain states and i think you're actually going to see this become a wave election. on the other side, you know, the
winner tonight of the democratic primary is bernie sanders. the energy is with him, but he won't be the nominee. on our side, the energy is with dr donald trump. i think you'll see some coattails of an effect of his being the nominee. >> eric beach, thank you very much. i would watch the tv, because these guys here have a lot to say, have a big reaction to what you said, so i would stick around for it. i appreciate it. lots more to come tonight on the primaries. thank you, appreciate the reaction from these guys, coming up. coming up. there we go. we'll be right back. ♪ in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in rochester, with world-class botox. and in buffalo, where medicine meets the future. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at business.ny.gov
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this republican primary, and, you know, to margaret's point of view, he has been able to win in a field of 17. >> you made a really good point. i think what eric beach was -- he's a personification, i think, of the average trump supporter in that donald trump is whatever that supporter wants him to be. because if you look at the tea party -- >> my producer said the same thing in my ear as you were saying it. you were channeling each other. >> have i told you you have really smart producers? if you look at the genesis of the tea party, right, it was a reaction against what they saw of the growth of overspending and the growth of the government as related to obamacare. and donald trump, his answer to obamacare is, we're going to repeal and replace it with something beautiful, which probably means more government spending. and on the other side of the tea party movement is this rejection of what they believed or at least an adherence to more constitutional principles and a rejection of authoritarian approach, that obama had. that they believed obama had. and he -- and so many of donald
trump's proposals are more grabs of executive power. the idea that he's consistent with tea party principles not just accurate. but as long as his supporters believe that, they feel comfort in that. >> but the idea that he's consistent with anything is just unbelievable. look what he's done on the minimum wage? look what he's done on tax policies. look what he's doing on -- >> but -- >> but what he did do on minimum wage, he said it at a time in states it didn't matter in indiana and pennsylvania and ohio. states that had a big manufacturing job losses, where these working class, populist messages work. >> here's the thing. to say he's not consistent on anything is not fair. i have hosts going back to the '90s saying he was railing against nafta then. he said this was a raw deal for the middle class then. reporters who have interviewed him have said the same thing. he is driven by a deep-seated
passion. he is deeply driven to help the middle class. >> but here's the problem on that. i think where he gets questioned then and where he's not consistent is the simple fact that his clothing lines are made where? >> he's a businessman. >> no, no. >> he's a businessman. >> you can't go -- >> it's so crazy -- >> no, it's so crazy to me, because he's criticized for the beginning of the campaign, they said, he could have been richer if he would have done x, y, or z. so he's criticized because he -- >> if you're hypocritical, that's being consistent? >> when you're a businessman, you utilize the laws in front of you. you can criticize those laws, but you'll take advantage of those laws in front you because -- >> one of the points that come up, kayley said this earlier and eric said it in response to hillary clinton's attacks on how he was negative and detrimental and plain-out sexist and
detrimental to women, is that he'll respond with policy. what policy? you rook to the fact that you can talk about the minimum wage november 11 st. he came out and said he's not going to do anything. and now he's for it. and on foreign policy with policy, he said, nato is a good thing march 21st and it didn't take him but five days later to say that nato is obsolete. >> he's got it, he's got it. >> yes, hypocrisy is the unforgivable sin in politics. the american voter is smarter than to say, he's consistent about trade policy, but makes his suits in china. this is like basic -- the american people are smart. they're going to sniff out a fraud. that's the real risk we run by running somebody who hasn't been deeply principled in his political beliefs and hasn't been tested as politician. >> ten seconds. >> i think quickly going back to the interview to wrap it all up,
the toughest thing for that super pac will be ragising mone. that is going to be hard for those guys to raise the amount of money they need to provide the air dover and attack ads against hillary clinton. >> and what's he got going for him? free media. look what lester holt did this week. anchored the "nbc nightly news" from trump tower and gave him eight minutes at the top of the news. >> if you do a live shot outside of manhattan, chances are you'll see a -- i know what you're say welcome but lthere's a trump property -- that was a joke. by the way, did margaret's phone crack? we'll let you know. stick around, when we come right back, the voters are spoken in west virginia. what's next in this very unconventional race?
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