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we've moved from malaise to hope, confidence and opportunity. the values and shares hitting record highs and more americans than ever before -- >> the rise of wall street and the greed that came right along with it. the episode tonight at 9:00 at eastern and pacific. thank, brooke. so is everything hunky dory in the gop? the forces trying to unite the republican parties, speaker ryan and donald trump are the political political equivalent of the fonz and they need to work together to make sure their party doesn't jump the shar saudi ties in the worst attack in american history?
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did the u.s. government cover up that fact as our leaders literally held hands with saudi royalty? plus, postpone or move the olympics to prevent even more of an outbreak of tragic birth defects. we'll talk about that. you have a presumptive nominee, donald trump. will you support him? >> well, to be perfectly candid with you, jake, i'm not ready to do that at this point. i'm not there right now. >> one week later, is speaker paul ryan there right now? that's the question. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. white house speaker paul ryan told me one week ago on this show sent shock waves but left open the possibility he could eventually come around to donald trump and indeed he said he wanted to. and today, seven days later,
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while ryan says he doesn't want to fake it like an arranged marriage, it sounded very much as if donald trump's courtship of the highest elected republican in the land could ultimately end in gop matrimony. dana bash is on capitol hill and, dana, it was just ryan, trump and rnc chairman reince priebus, the three of them locked in this room earlier today. it sounds like the beginning of one of the saw films. but afterwards, ryan came out and said he found trump warm and genuine. >> reporter: that's right. that wasn't the first meeting. to continue with your metaphor, my sources tell me that trump came in clearly wanting to walk down the aisle with paul ryan. but, you know, because of that interview that you did, jake, with paul ryan and because it was quite controversial among many in his own rank and file right here in the capitol, today
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was at much at stake for trump as ryan. gathering to greet their nominee for president, donald trump, they all could not sound more eager to get beyond the discord. >> the headline is positive first step toward unifying our party. >> i do believe that we are planting the seeds to get ourselves unified. >> reporter: in fact, trump and house speaker paul ryan issued a carefully crafted joint statement using a version of the word unite three times in one paragraph, including we will be having additional discussions but remain confident there's a great opportunity to unify our party and win this fall but also said, while we were honest about our few differences, we recognize that there are also many important areas of common ground. the differences ran deep during the primaries. >> a total and complete shutdown. >> reporter: ryan recoiling at
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the tone and ten nor, especially's trumps call to ban muslims last september. >> this is not conservativism. >> reporter: cnn is told that today behind closed doors ryan made clear it would be up to trump to unite the gop. ryan told trump that while millions voted for him, many republicans oppose him, too. >> i represent a wing of the conservative party, you could say. he's bringing a whole new wing to it. he's bringing new voters we've never had for decades. that's a positive thing. >> reporter: still, ryan was not yet ready to endorse trump. >> this is the first very encouraging meeting. again, in 45 minutes, you don't litigate all of the processes and issues and principles that we are talking about. >> reporter: a source familiar with the meeting also said ryan brought up something near and dear to his heart, balancing the budget by reforming medicare and social security, which trump has argued he doesn't want to touch. and sources tell cnn that during
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the meeting, trump mostly listened and said all of the right things. the most anticipated meeting of the day was the first, just these three men, trump, ryan and republican party chair reince priebus. cnn it told that he has been working hard behind the scenes to bridge the divide between the two. >> it's important to be unified and to remember -- >> but it's not usually this hard. >> you know what, it was not a usual election. it was a very contentious, tough primary. and osh yously no one can deny that. >> do you feel like a couple's therapist? >> no. you wouldn't feel that if you were in the room. it was great. i think it had very good chemistry between the two of them. >> reporter: and jake, ryan said today that he had only met trump once back in 2012 for his words like 30 seconds. so this is really the first time that the two of them were able
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to get to know each other. ryan called him personable and warm. later today, trump met with senators and same kind of response from them. they all said that he was quite charming. but several of them did say, jake, that they pressed him on his tone, particularly with hispanics. a texas senator said, look, i won the majority of hispanics in texas and did it without really -- by not alienating them but still being pretty tough on immigration and offered to help trump with that. >> interesting. dana bash, stick around. i want to bring in donald trump supporter david wohl, s.e. cupp and dana keeping you around. dave, let me start with you. mr. trump said yesterday that his proposal, the temporary ban on muslims coming into this country, he said it was just an idea. some people are interpreting that as him backtracking a bit
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to win the nomination. do you agree and how many of those backtracks can there be before people like you question your support for him? >> none. the reality is the vetting process. there's doj background check. you there is nothing like that and that's the concern. how can something be implemented so we don't bring in people with criminal convictions, prisons in those various countries that we are in. most americans would agree with that. there's no question about it. as far as donald trump backtracking, almost 11 million votes, more than any candidate in gop history and the idea that he has to come down on one knee with hat in hand and ask for what he should do next, how he should change his position to make the establishment happy,
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that's not going to work. the establishment has to mold their perceptions and ideas around him. >> s.e., i have to say, donald trump and paul ryan put out a joint press release and when you hear what they are all saying on capitol hill, it sounds like this is going to happen, that search going to rally around trump, all of the republican establishment. >> i don't know that everyone will. actually, what i heard was caution from paul ryan. we're planting the seeds to bridge the gap, to get to where we need to get. i heard some caution. and while both parties need each other to come together, i think paul ryan wants to see if donald trump is going to do what he does when he comes out of rnc meetings and so i think paul ryan wants to take a little time
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to see how it works out and if they would really take in what some of the party members have told him and to sdaf's point, you know, it's not that trump needs to embrace the rest of the party's rhetoric or ideas, but he probably can't win in a general without 60% of the republican party on board. and fully on board. it's a good idea that they are coming together and talking about places where they have common ground and the places where they have really, really severe disagreements. >> go ahead. >> remember, it's not a question of if paul ryan is going to endorse. it's a question of when. donald trump went from a candidate who could not possibly win to a candidate where he has a plurality but we'll beat him
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at the convention. and it's been an extraordinary fashion like never has been seen before. they don't know what to make of it yet. the alternative is hillary clinton and four more years, as she has promised, of barack obama's policies. >> dana, let me bring you in. is the ryan endorsement for mr. trump, is that a foregone conclusion? it will happen. it's not a we of if, it's when? >> reporter: you know, it's hard to say if he'll ever say i formally donald trump or whether he's just going to kind of continue the dialogue and continue to make moves towards trying to unite the party. it's also going to be unclear whether or not he feels he needs to do that. he might. and the reason i say that is because, you know, more and more just walking these halls, jake,
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i have learned that what paul ryan did in your interview last week was certainly people like s.e. and those in the never trump category or are we really sure about him category applauded him for sticking to principle and being cautious. but when it comes to the raw politics, a lot of people around here, even those who adore paul ryan who i've talked to have said, you know what, what were we all talking about last week? not that hillary clinton was losing yet again, there's words, not mine, but it was that donald trump is the nominee and the republican party is split in two and there are some hard feelings at paul ryan for that kind of narrative coming out and him being part of the reason for that, particularly among a lot of the republicans. all of them are up for re-election. many of whom are in ruby red
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states and in districts, rather, districts where donald trump is quite popular. >> dana, thanks so much for that. s.e., i want you to listen to something that harry reid had to say about mitch mcconnell endorsing donald trump. listen. >> we can only assume he agrees with trump's view that women are dogs and pigs. >> get ready for that because that's what democrats are going to be saying from now until november. folks like dave are giddy and i get that. but this is what most of us saw coming miles and months away, lirveging everything that donald trump has ever said to the whole
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. a top aide to bernie sanders says democrats would be courting
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disaster by nominating hillary clinton to face donald trump in the fall signaling an even stronger terms that sanders will try to force a contested democratic convention. in fact, sanders had his eye on the ultimate in presidential achievements, mt. rushmore. jeff zeleny is joining me now. i have to say, sanders is keeping up an aggressive campaign piece. >> jake, he's putting the miles on here. he's traveling across south dakota and made his first visit to the black hills and wrapped up a speech at an indian reservation. he's fighting for every vote in every state but also calling out what he believes is an unfair superdelegate system. this democratic primary season soon winds down one way or another. >> this is our country at its very best. what an incredible achievement. >> reporter: bernie sanders taking in the majesty of the
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moment. this monument to four great american presidents. >> just the accomplishment and the beauty. it really does make one very proud to be an american. >> reporter: sanders has his own mountain to climb. even winning all 11 remaining contests wouldn't put him on top of hillary clinton in the fight for delegates. sanders is drawing less attention these days but he's not going quietly. taking aim at super delegates who overwhelmingly backed clinton even if he carried their state. >> i think it is a little bit weird that in states where we have won landslide victories, i mean landslide, 70, 75% of the vote, you have superdelegates from those states rejecting the views of their constituents. >> reporter: the clinton campaign ignores sanders to focus on trump. >> i believe with all my hard that we are better than the
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campaign that the presumptive nominee for the republican party is running. >> reporter: sanders' campaign manager warning in a fundraising e-mail democrats should nominate clinton only if they are willing to roll the dice and court disaster. those three words ripped from the 2008 headlines when president clinton used them talking about ee equilecting prt obama. weaver walked back part of his words. >> the election disaster is that of donald trump. >> reporter: focused on elizabeth warren on twitter, "goofy elizabeth warren has been one of the least effective senators in the entire u.s.
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senate." hillary clinton is watching this back and forth between elizabeth warren and donald trump with great interest. aides say clinton is saying that she has been helpful. she met with her advisers and they are trying to ignore all of these primaries but bill clinton said she's trying to win that state. he said this. she needs to go into the convention not with the popular vote lead or the delegate lead, she needs to make her case to the american people. >> elizabeth warren, the only democratic woman senator who has not endorsed hillary clinton. a member of the 9/11 commission saying that key allies were in fact supporting the terrorists that attacked our country on 9/11. what does the u.s. government know? and with brazil at the center of the zika outbreak, is
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. they are considered a critical ally in the middle east but some in the saudi government are being accused of playing a role in the first terror attack. this is sparking new calls for the obama administration to uphold the president's promise
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to 9/11 victim family members known as the 28 pages which document potential saudi support to the hijackers. let's get to chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. they said they found no evidence that the saudi funded directly, no direct evidence. but the saudis have been citing that line as if it's an exoneration. it isn't really, though? >> it isn't. secretary lehman talks about the conclusion that it found no evidence that the saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individual individually funded al qaeda, leaving open the possibility that lower level officials or perhaps not a policy decision that the 28 pages have some evidence that not just one or two but as many as six individuals tied to the saudi
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government had some ties to the saudi hijackers. it's an allegation that has lingered since the moment that the towers fell. saudi arabia was somehow tied to the 9/11 attacks. former commission john lehman says the 28 pages of a congressional report into 9/11 contains as many as six saudi individuals supported al qaeda in the run-up to the attacks. those individuals, he says, worked for the saudi embassy in the u.s., saudi charities and a government-funded mosque in california. lehman makes clear that the 28 pages, mostly fbi summary reports, contain no smoking gun. like the 9/11 commission concluded, lehman does not believe the saudi government or any of the senior officials supported or were aware of the 9/11 plots. however, evidence of lower level
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saudi involvement was never sufficiently investigated and should now be, quote, vigorously pursued. other commission members, including former federal prosecutor are echoing lehman's call. >> we would not be so arrogant as to think that we, with our limited time and resources, have investigated every single aspect that there is to look at in the 9/11 disaster. >> reporter: when it completed its investigation into 2004, the 9/11 commission concluded it found no evidence that the saudi government as an institution or senior saudi officials individually funded al qaeda. saudi leaders have repeatedly cited that conclusion as eliminating the possibility of any official saudi role. >> if you look at the commission report, it deals specifically with saudi arabia's role that there was not a sod daudi role
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this situation. >> reporter: some 9/11 commission members do not dispute that defense. >> there is a substantial jump to suggest that somebody who had a job in a consulate is a representative of the saudi government. >> reporter: however, the conclusion intentionally left open the possibility that lower level government officials or employees may have played some role. even if they were not instructed by saudi leadership. and it is that lingering question that he hopes that the 28 pages release and further investigation will answer once and for all. the 9/11 investigation was terminated, lehman told cnn, before all of the relevant leads were able to be investigated. now, lehman said the fbi dropped the investigation of these individuals because they said they had insufficient evidence to indict. that is a pretty high legal bar. to be clear, though, i should say that the saudis actually joined lehman and others saying,
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go ahead, release the 28 pages and let them be investigated and as recent as last week, the saudi foreign minister said the same thing. turning to iraq now, where isis is continuing its deadly rampage. more than 100 people have been killed in several attacks in the last 48 hours as a sitting congressman and marine is blasting president barack obama, the leader of his own party for his isis strategy or lack thereof and blaming the white house for the death of his friend. seth molton tweeted a photo of himself with an iraqi counterpart. "just to be clear and to contradict the white house, this is a combat mission in iraq." joining me live is seth moulton who serves on the armed services committee and was deployed four times. thanks very much for joining us. you blame the failed isis policy for the death of your iraqi comrade who you described as your, quote, closest friend. why? >> he was my closest friend in
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the iraqi army. the bottom line is, we have a military strategist to defeat isis but no long-term political strategy to ensure the peace and that's why we find ourselves back in iraq refighting the same battles that i and my fellow marines fought eight or ten years ago. >> what needs to change? >> we need to have a clear mission for the troops, a clear end game and then a strategy to maintain the peace once we defeat this terrorist group. we already fought these same battles against al qaeda but when we pulled out of iraq so quickly, the diplomats, people working in the prime minister's office, the iraqi government went off the rails and created a political vacuum that isis came in to occupy. we cannot keep repeating this mistake in iraq going back again and again and again. >> there are more than 4,000
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military personnel in iraq right now but the white house argues this is not a combat mission. do you think that the obama administration is misleading the american public? >> that's just simply not true. this absolutely is a combat mission. in 2004, hi an advisory mission and advisers to an iraqi unit and when it started to get overrun, it started the battle which was some of the fiercest battle at that time. there's a very fine line until an advisory mission and full-fledged combat and very clear from the death of a navy s.e.a.l. last week that is absolutely a combat mission. >> why do you think that the white house is pursing the strategy that they are pursing calling it an advisory mission, not a combat mission, not pursing the line of attack that you are suggesting that they need to in terms of a clear strategy with an end game, why?
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>> i don't know. i mean, some would say that this is trying to do war on the chief just like the bush administration when they got us involved in the first place. let's not forget that we wouldn't be in this mess at all if george bush hadn't invaded iraq with faulty intelligence back in 2003. this is a president who promised to get us out of iraq and promised to use the tools of diplomacy. that hasn't happened. if you think about what happened when isis swept into iraq from syria, they didn't just defeat the iraqi army. our solution, our strategy is to train iraqi troops. well, you don't fix iraqi politics by training iraqi troops and iraqi politics are broken. that's the fundamental promise in iraq that we need to fix. >> congressman seth moulton, thank you so much. our deepest condolences on the loss of your friend. >> thank you, jake. postpone or move the summer olympics.
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welcome back to "the lead." an urgent plea over zika. one expert says the biggest sporting event in our solar system should be postponed or moved. the summer olympic games just 85 days away. they will be held rio de janeiro, brazil. in fact, these new numbers just released, brazil has at least
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1,326 cases of microcephaly, the most cases than anyplace in the world. joining me is someone urging the delay or postponement or movement of the games in his news report published in the harvard health review. thanks for joining us. >> thanks, jake. happy to be here. >> more than 10,000 athletes from around the world have been training for this event for four years. explain why you think the crisis is so severe that the games have been postponed or canceled? >> because right now, according to brazil's own statistics, they are going through a political storm right now, the brazilian government itself says there are no parts of brazil with a higher number of zika cases than rio de janeiro. rio is the top of the list for zika cases. it's the heart of the epidemic.
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it's already caused your viewers have seen this, an epidemic of children being born with small heads, with brain damage. brazil is investigating 7,000 cases of these children being born with small heads and potentially brain damage because of zika. do we need 500,000 tourists going into rio, the heart of the epidemic, potentially becoming infected and then going home and taking that virus with? because that's the seed for other epidemics elsewhere. >> do you think that your proposal, sir, is realistic? and what are the odds, do you think, that it will be -- your advice will be taken? >> well, it's totally realistic. i mean, you can easily move the games to other venues. you could also postpone the games by a year. there's precedent for this. the schedule of the winter olympics was shifted. and it's always the case that the olympics may have to be
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juggled somehow. imagine the 1984 olympics in los angeles. you could have had an earthquake the day before and then you'd have to go to plan b. there's always a plan b. the question is, really, and it's an ethical one, is it worth having the games in rio when you can have perfectly good games somewhere else or delay your gratification? so as not to run the horrible risk of an outbreak of shrunken brain babies due to zika. it's also related to another adult syndrome that can be fatal and we are, in fact, seeing some zika deaths now. >> you've had some harsh -- >> is it worth running this risk? >> you've had some harsh words for the international olympic committee. you say they are in deep denial. we reached out to the ioc to get response to your criticism.
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they said, "we are working with our partners in rio on measures to deal with the pools of water around the olympic venue." i assume that you don't feel that is enough? >> they don't say that i'm wrong or that will eliminate the risk. the new advice, the very first time, jake, the w.h.o. has ever said anything about zika and the olympics was today and that advice was, avoid crowded places and avoid places where sanitation is bad. you don't think the olympics are crowded or that the slums of rio have bad sanitation, do you? that's half the city and that's describing the olympics. so when the w.h.o. says avoid the crowds, avoid places with bad sanitation, really, why are we talking about having these games rio de janeiro right now? >> sounding the alarm.
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doctor, thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you, jake. george zimmerman trying to cash in on the weapon he used to kill trayvon martin but the auction for his gun, well, it's not going exactly as he had planned. as you plan your summer vacation, could baggage fees be a thing of the past? why some congress men are asking the airlines to waive the fee and it's not because they want to save you money.
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welcome back to "the lead." the nerve of george zimmerman today. he appears to be desperate to
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auction off the gun that he used to kill trayvon martin back in 2012. zimmerman call it is a piece of american history. opening bids for his .9 millimeter pistol started at $5,000 but his first attempt did not go quite as planned. i want to bring in paolo sa sandoval. >> zimmerman is at odds with, the initial web side that listed this weapon that he used in that shooting right there. zimmerman actually sent me a gun broker was not prepared for the traffic and the publicity surrounding the auction of my firearm. that's why he eventually went to another website. but then you hear from weighing in with a statement they posted on their website. "our site rules state we reserve
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the right to listing at our sole discretion and we have done so with the zimmerman listing. we had want no part with the listing or any of the publicity it is receiving." that's what makes this difference. you have, which is the group currently listing his gun. i spoke to the owner of that website and they said they have seen more traffic in the last 15 minutes than they have seen in the last several months. you're looking at the posting right now. in it, you can see that he lays out the details of it. the owner is working to try to restore that website so that they can get the auction back up and running. jake? >> polo sandoval, thank you. appreciate it. flying to your summer vacation destination this year could be cheaper. plus, the airport security lines could move faster if some
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welcome back. i'm jake tapper. in our money lead, could airport security lines move faster by temporarily eliminating baggage fees? two democratic senators sent a letter this week to airline executives asking them to start charging bag fees during the summer. if people can check their bags for free, there will be fewer people with carry-ones and eventually fewer hold-ups at security lines. just to show how much of a problem this can be. nearly 11,000 people missed their flights because of the long lines. airlines collected $3.8 billion
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in baggage fees last year. they claim getting rid of the fees would force them to raise ticket prices. turning to our buried lead, stories not getting enough attention, on march 7th, the obama administration promised to post in the coming weeks how many people in the drone program have been killed. it's may 12th and we have yet to see that. it wasn't until 2015 that we even knew how the united states decided who should die in places like afghanistan or iraq. but does the administration really even know whom it's killing? joining me is an investigative journalist and he and his colleagues collaborated in a new book called "the assassination complex." jeremy, thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you, jake. >> your book has a disturbing explanation of the process used
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to eliminate people via drones. how does the process of killing someone with a drone begin? >> it's actually quite a labyrinth process that begins with foreign governments providing the initial intelligence on people it alleges are involved with terrorism or maybe connecting with terrorists. so, for instance, in yemen, the saudi government provides the united states with the intelligence that is used for profiles. the u.s. uses spies and informants from around the world and it's sifted through by u.s. intelligence analysts and they develop what are referred to internally as baseball cards or bbcs. this is similar to what we had when you would have the baseball cards as a kid but these are
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profiles that the u.s. is contemplating killing and they have their statistics. they were connected to the mumbai attacks and they have been on the phone with x, y and z people and then one of the secret documents that we got shows how the president, the secretary of state, secretary of defense and various military and intelligence officials are part of a process that ends up on the president's desk with an up or down on whether or not this person is going to die. >> and tell me about this disparity between the number of people that the president authorizes to kill and the number of people that drone strikes have actually killed? >> right. and for years, major u.s. newspapers were reported that president obama personally signed off on each strike. what we learned is that president obama signs off on each target, meaning he gives authorization for a particular individual to be killed but oftentimes in these drone strikes, even though one person is the objective of each strike, other people are killed and what we learned is that the military in particular, when they kill ten people in a drone strike and
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they say, well, we've got our jackpot, the person we're looking for, the other nine people that are killed are automatically classified as ekia, enemies killed in action, unless they are visibly identifiable as a woman or a child. and really it's sort of like a reverse due process system where if you're killed by the u.s. military or the cia in a drone strike, you're presumed to be a terrorist unless someone says otherwise. we haven't killed that many civilians, because they have killed a tremendous amount of people that they have labeled enemies killed in action. >> jeremy, it's great. every american should read it. these deaths are happening in your name. jeremy skahill, thank you so much. >> thank you, jake. >> follow me at @jaketapper.
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i turn you over now to one wolf blitzer. he's next door in "the situation room." happening now, party divided. the gop starts picking up the pieces after donald trump's primary campaign. the presumptive nominee meets with the house speaker paul ryan. but is there a meeting of the minds and why isn't ryan ready to offer an endorsement? common ground. while republicans are vowing to reach unity, there are still deep splits on several major issues. so where and how can they find agreement? i'll ask the party chairman reince priebus. new arms race, as the u.s. deploys a defense system in europe, russia deploys multiple