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why it is important that we do not do it, period. people who can live together hon honorly. it is not just a few good evening, thank you for joining us, tonight, breaking news, late reaction from the trump campaign, some deeply hateful remarks that his former butler has been making, dangerous enough to get the secret service involved. it's not a meeting between former rivals like reagan and obama and clinton in 2008. this is the man who has gotten more votes than any other
republican contender, sitting down with those who may solidly been behind him. again this is not your normal election. so what happened at the capital, two reports, first, chief correspondent dana bash. >> reporter: it was an event that congressional republicans never imagined in their wildest dreams, gathering to greet their nominee for president, donald trump. and they all could not sound more eager to get beyond the discord. >> the headline is positive to unify our party. >> i do believe we are now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified. >> in fact, trump and paul ryan used the words unite, three times in one paragraph. saying they will be confident there will be an opportunity to unify the party and win the fall. but also said while we were
honest about our few differences we recognized that there were also many important areas of common ground. the differences ran deep during the primaries. cnn is told that today behind closed doors ryan made clear to the billionaire it would be up to trump to unite the gop. a source familiar with the meeting says that ryan told trump that while millions voted for him many republicans opposed him, too. >> i represent a wing of the conservative party, you could say. he is bringing a whole new wing to it, voters we've never had for decades. that is a positive thing. >> still, ryan was not yet ready for endorsing trump. >> this is an encouraging meeting. but again, in 45 minutes you don't litigate all the processes and principles that we are talking about. >> reporter: a source familiar with the meeting said that ryan brought up something near and dear to his heart, balancing the budget, with medicare and social security, which trump argues he
doesn't want to touch. and sources told cnn that trump mostly listened and said all the right things. the most anticipated meeting of the day was the first, just these three men, ryan, republican party chair reince priebus. cnn has been told that reince priebus has been working hard for over a week to bridge the divide between the two. >> it's important to be unified. >> but it's not usually this hard. >> but you know what? this is not a usual election, this was a very contentious, tough primary. it's something a lot of us have not been through. >> do you feel like a couple's therapist? >> you know, you wouldn't say that if you were in the room. it was great, great chemistry between the two of them. >> we heard reince priebus talk about good chemistry, what more do you hear from your sources? >> well, chemistry makes it
sound like it's a start of a beautiful bromance, i wouldn't go that far. so remember, anderson, they didn't know each other. so in terms of the issues i am told that ryan spent a significant amount of time briefing trump on his own agenda, to help republicans of course. all of them are on the ballot in november. i mentioned that ryan pressed trump on budget-related issues important to him like medicare and social security, but i'm told that trump also pushed him on the question of the type of supreme court justice he would pick. the house doesn't have a formal role in that process, but nominating scalia to fill the open chair, they are skeptical that trump is really one of them, anderson. >> all right, when trump left ryan he went over to try to woo senate republicans. and surprising words from lindsey graham.
first, the meeting between trump and the senate republican leaders, what can you tell us? >> well, this is described as a very productive meeting. one senator told me that quote, people actually liked him. one reason is that senators like to talk and so does donald trump. trump spent most of the time listening. they talked about taxes, the tone of his campaign, even talked about immigration. john cornyn talked about how he can win strongly on immigration. and they believe that trump will adhere to basic republican principles. >> and before i ask you this next question, i want to remind you that supporting senator graham, did they actually say nice things about trump? >> yes, graham said he was impressed with trump on foreign policy, but said he is clear to oppose him this fall.
another critic, rand paul, was optimistic on the party uniting. one colleague at lunch was ted cruz, and ted cruz was actually there and made a joke and said quote, to be honest with you, i didn't want to come back. and john mccain made a response, quote, we didn't want you to come back either. everyone laughed. so really it was interesting to see the republican party in a pretty good mood after this trump meeting. >> all right, now thought from his a congressional republican who backed two trump opponents, congress yeah kinsinger, a former rubio supporter and former jeb bush campaign manager. >> what do you make of this? it was certainly a different tone that we heard from both men today.
he has real concerns with some of what trump said on domestic policy, foreign policy and his tone. but ultimately he is speaker of the house, leader of the republican party. i expect that ultimately he will support trump. he is going through the process to get there. look, a lot of us have major concerns with what's going on, we want to support the republican nominee as republicans, but this really is on donald trump to unite the party and this is where he has to change his tone. >> why is it on donald trump? donald trump is essentially the standard bearer for the republican party. he won the most votes, defeated a deep pool of republicans. isn't it time for those who are against him in the republican party to reach out to him? >> i think once you become the standard bearer, once you become the nominee, the burden to win is on you. you have to go out, figure out how to put together 51% of americans to put you in office. that starts with your own party. that starts with understanding where people have concerns, with you listening to that. when somebody says some of the words i've heard you use to describe people is frankly hurtful and divisive, think about that. when you hear somebody say your
foreign policy is not really coherent, you admire vladimir putin, these are concerns. that's on donald trump. >> you said you put your country above your party in regards to backing donald trump. do you believe republicans who are critics of trump have warmed to the idea of his candidacy and are accepting it are putting their party above their country? >> i don't think so. everybody has a decision to make. a lot of these folks that were critics and are on his side are basically saying from the perspective of okay, his supreme court justice selection will probably be better than hillary clinton's perspective. i think in their mind they are putting their country above their party, but we all have to make that decision in a different way. for me, again, on somebody that cares about america's role, and mission in the world, to hear some of the things he's said and the way he's said it brings real concern. >> how does it, i don't know if
he is concerned about winning you over, how does he win you over? seems like those are pretty fundamental things that he has dug in on and repeatedly has the tone that he has, he says look, he can be more presidential, so far he's running the race he's running, short of some major conversion on the part of donald trump, how does he win you over? >> hard to tell until he gets there. i don't know if there's a specific formula. i can tell you if he starts talking like a man that is running for the job that abraham lincoln and ronald reagan had, you know, great statesmen who inspired people instead of cutting them down, that is a great step. if he is interested on learning foreign policy and difficulties and challenges outside broad, populous statements, that will be a move, too. i understand the need to compromise, especially in a divided government, and with people with different views. i don't need donald trump to get to 100% to what i believe, but i
do need him to get to reflecting some republican values and tone that is worthy of the party of lincoln and reagan and uniting the country. >> thanks for being on. >> you bet. thanks. in a moment, the panel's take and why paul ryan is still not endorsing trump. and later, a man that served as trump's butler for years, what he is saying about president obama and hillary clinton. can't repeat the words he used. and the secret service wants to know more. hillary clinton wants to succeed where 16 republicans failed. her strategy to take on donald trump. [ salesman ] congrats on the new car.
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donald trump sat down today with paul ryan, it was more than midwest style meets manhattan. there are two political players with fundamental differences with different roles to play during and after the campaign. speaker ryan has unity to consider to control the house, and limiting down ticket damage from trump without alienating millions of trump voters, which may explain why he is softening tone without fully embracing him. take a look. >> this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and more importantly it is not what this country stands for.
if a person wants to be the nominee of the republican party, there can be no evasion and no gains. they must reject any group or cause that's built on bigotry. if i see ideas and comments that mislead the people as to who we are as republicans, i'm going to speak out on those. it is time to set aside bullying, to set aside belittlement, and appeal to higher aspirations. we need a real unification of our party. after a tough primary, that's going to take some effort. we are committed to putting effort in. i am not interested in litigating the past. i am interested in going forward and seeing where the common ground exists to make sure we can have a unified republican party. >> speaker ryan from last december to now. let's bring in alex burns, reporter for "the new york times," biographer jonathan seen ee. cnn political commentator. and mark lamont hill, and trump
supporter, and former congressman rick lazzio. he ran for the senate against hillary clinton back in 2000. are you surprised there wasn't an endorsement from ryan? >> i was surprised, i heard from dana bash that many congressmen and women came to paul ryan and said you need to do this and get on board. there wasn't just pressure from voters and republicans and trump people but fellow congressmen and women. i was surprised. nevertheless, i think basically today we got everything short of endorsement. that's enough to move forward. >> tara, seems like the meeting with senators, seems like it is moving in the direction of party unity. >> yeah, speaker ryan is in a tough position. he didn't ask to be here, but he is in it now. never probably imagined six, eight months ago that he would be here again, making one of the toughest political decisions of his life. i think he is dealing with an internal conflict because of donald trump's past and
statements and even policy positions on things. just anathema to what paul ryan stands for and what his political career was built on. this is why you didn't see endorsement. as speaker, he doesn't want to give away all leverage. he wants donald trump to tone it down, to try to be more presidential because moving forward they have to endure the democrats constantly reminding republicans in congressional races what donald trump said. for example, harry reid was on the senate floor already going after republicans saying mitch mcconnell, you seem to support all of the despicable comments that donald trump made about women. that's the leader of your party. i am assuming you agree with that, too. you have to deal with that, republican congressional candidates have to deal with that kind of onslaught and speaker ryan has to walk a fine line on how to build cover for those guys. >> congressman, do you think this is about maintaining leverage over trump? >> to some extent.
what paul ryan is saying is what tara is saying, i want to see how you lay things out. i care about social security. you can't balance the budget without social security, you have to do something about entitlements. you need to talk about that to be responsible. i also think rising poll numbers is an unbelievable positive in terms of trying to create an atmosphere of consensus. that was a big plus. three battleground polls come out showing in a dead heat, very important. the other thing, one thing that unifies republicans now, republicans that are favoring donald trump is they want to beat hillary clinton. so that's a unifying principle. i think republicans have to move past that, have a positive agenda they sell to the american public. that's going to be more
difficult to get to. >> alex, in terms of reporting for "the new york times," seems like you're hearing donald trump may be willing to massage some policy positions. do you know where there seems to be wiggle room? >> i think in some ways easier to say where there isn't wiggle room. there are a couple of areas where he has firm views, things like immigration and trade that put him at odds with paul ryan. but when you talk to the folks advising him on issues like taxes and fiscal discipline and retirement and security they say there is a lot of room for our conversations and negotiation. you go down a list of positions trump has taken on issues like minimum wage. it is a different position virtually every day. >> recently on the idea of banning or temporary ban of muslims, he said that's a suggestion. >> what his people will say, and trump i think would acknowledge this, he is a negotiator by instinct and political philosophy, what it takes for him to lock down the republican nomination, get the party on board is back away from big things he said in the primary. i don't think any of us would be knocked over by that. >> nice way of -- he didn't just
say i am negotiable and flexible, i want a ban, then he said not a ban, just a suggestion. that's a tricky place to be. i think paul ryan, he is in a tricky spot. has to be careful not to overplay his hand. every time the republican party tried to keep wraps around donald trump, he managed to evade them. and if paul ryan thinks he can leverage his authority to keep donald trump in check, he may end up on the wrong side -- >> interesting piece in "the washington post" saying ryan is giving a head nod to congressional republicans about a path forward, basically talk about secretary clinton, how she would be a bad president, don't agree with trump on everything but know he agrees on core principles. >> i think the key in the intro was down ticket damage. that's what we talked about. when i think about the election, and it is early, i think about 1980 during the reagan landslide when 12 democrats lost senate seats, including frank church, gaylord nelson, george mcgovern.
people they never thought would lose the election. i think that is the potential at least for the senate. it is harder in the house because of redistricting and gerrymandering. in the senate with statewide raises and donald trump as anchor, you could see people like john mccain, people you never expected, lose their seats. >> way more republicans have to defend seats than democrats. >> when you hear trump on fox saying that was a suggestion, banning muslims, does that raise concerns? is he backtracking for general election? >> it doesn't. here is the thing. you have certain policies that are an end and certain policies that are a means. pro-life, that's an end we want to achieve. the muslim ban was never an end. >> does he want a ban on muslims? >> that's never been his policy, keeping muslims out. policy goal is to protect the borders. that's the means he suggested to that end.
>> i don't understand, is he going to pursue, maybe we don't know this, do you think he is going to pursue a temporary ban on muslims entering the u.s. or do you think he is not? >> he is going to suggest that, say this is what needs to be done to secure the border. i assume he would talk with the fbi director and get his input. >> building a wall, is that a suggestion? >> no, i don't think so, that is an end in and of itself, that is an ends policy, not a means. i don't think that's at all negotiable. i think that's a cornerstone of his campaign. muslim ban is to protect the country, we found out today i want to point out, in germany, they're investigating 40 people that entered the country they believe are associated with islamic terrorism. in the mass open immigration, germany has to back step. and actually -- >> germany had about a million people come from syria. >> they have. >> congressman, do you think everything is up for negotiation? that's one of the criticisms by conservatives of donald trump all along that these are opening salvos in negotiation. >> if donald trump is elected president, he will be the triangulation president.
you have to accept that when you vote for him, he is not going to be down the line on terms of conservative president, that's not going to happen. number one. number two, when he says things like we ought to have a religious litmus test, it is offensive to core republicans that believe the greatness has been based on immigration and that we don't want to create religious litmus. one thing to say pause on syrian immigrants, another to say all muslims be kept out of the country. this is where republicans that are on the ticket, senate or house members are thinking do i want to be associated with this. right now, it is dying down. so people are getting more comfortable. the polls are coming back up. but it is a quick trigger for people to pull back. more to talk about, including breaking news, reaction from the trump campaign about his long time butler who works at miralago letting loose with ugly statements about hanging the president.
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that is just the given beginnina massive rant on facebook. he is a 17 year butler. trump's campaign disavowed the horrible statements, says he hasn't worked at trump miralago in years. but that may be a technicality. when he tried to retire, he decided he was irreplaceable and kept him around as a historian. he may not be there as a payroll, but is there as historian, giving tours. randi kaye joins me with more. >> reporter: anderson, if anyone wonders why they're investigating, they can go to his facebook page. he is 84 years old. here's why he may be in hot water with secret service. just yesterday, mother jones said he posted on his facebook that president obama, quote, should have been taken out by our military and shot as an enemy agent in his first term. the post has since been removed.
when cnn called for comment, he confirmed he did write the post. said he used hung, not shot, correcting the post, then told cnn i prefer he be hung from the portico of the white house or as i call it the white mosque. threatening the life of the president is a federal crime, that's why the secret service is on the case. >> he's been talking about hillary clinton as well, correct? >> absolutely. if you have kids in the room right now, you may want to cover their ears. about hillary clinton, he wrote this last september. this shows killery clinton, to be lying, deceiving, finished that with the c word. and added i would never cast my ballot for this bitch in any election. this coming from a man that worked for trump the last 30 years ago or so, notes on his
facebook page he does not speak for donald trump, these are his opinions, anderson. >> wasn't there controversy yesterday about the trump campaign and white nationalist or supremacist? >> there was, mr. trump had to distance from a convention delegate that's a well known white supremacist. the delegate is william daniel johnson has pushed for whites only united states, made up of people with no ascertainable trace of negro blood. he was on the list of delegates that the trump campaign submitted for certification by the california secretary of state. once this was exposed, the trump campaign quickly blamed a computer glitch and database error for his name being on the list of delegates. the man later resigned as a delegate, saying he did not want to create anymore baggage for the trump campaign. and remember he got the endorsement of david duke earlier. when asked about that, he failed to forcefully reject that. and of course he was criticized for that, as well. >> and white supremacists did a
robo call on trump, making headlines months ago. thanks so much. back with the panel. what do you make of the butler slash tour guide on his facebook? >> donald trump's campaign as you reported, said they're horrible statements, disavowed the butler as they should. those views that were just enumerated. there's no room in this society and country for those viewers, and donald trump believes that. i think the notion he is in trump tower, trying to get the delegates in line with the butler is silly. i think most people think that trump is a good man who embraces all races. in fact, there are many employees, african-american employees putting out videos saying what a kind and wonderful boss he is. for every statement you heard about trump being involved by a third party tangential relationship to a butler he fired many years ago, could put out equally positive statements from african-american employees saying he is very fair. >> the question is he wasn't fired. >> not working, retired. >> for those that say it is important, they will say this
reflects, can't be a surprise to donald trump, that this employee felt, close employee to trump who had close interaction with him felt totally comfortable saying these things on a public forum. >> really comfortable, which makes you wonder what was it about everything that's going on here. he's not alone. anyone that reads my twitter feed, i think i have been called every single one of those things that this guy was on, i mean, he may have even been on my twitter feed. this is pervasive with trump supporters, unfortunately there's an ugliness brought out of the campaign, unlike anything you've ever seen before, which is troubling. whether donald trump believes it or not, that's, you know, something that he's going to have to deal with. when he played coy with the kkk during that thing, that didn't help the situation. moving forward, these kind of associations like conservatives went after barack obama and his associations with reverend wright and bill ayers, obama
supporters would say well, he can't be responsible for what those people said. well, i mean, which is it? this situation with trump, he was closer to the butler than people want to say. the campaign is inconsistent on this. the butler introduced him at miralago march 6th. and had a glowing profile in "the new york times." the trump campaign didn't disavow him then because it was a glowing profile. so that is a problem. >> you don't have any evidence how close he was with donald trump. >> he introduced him march 6th. >> you're speculating, by the way, check out my twitter feed, hundreds of horrible things are said. so you are -- irresponsible to sit on the program and speculate about closeness of the butler to donald trump and whether you think donald trump knew about these views. you have no information to support that. likewise, no support that someone on your twitter feed is
connected to donald trump. >> come on. he introduced him at miralago. >> the trump campaign moved to disavow this. >> give them credit. they disavowed it. there are going to be crazy, toxic people in the organization or volunteers that you have no control over that say things. your responsibility as candidate is to quash it. >> seems to me -- i am not saying there's anything else he could have done, nor am i saying that donald trump, candidate trump knew this. i agree with you. however, there is something noteworthy. when there are so many people that are white supremacists, and they seem to hang around you, they're not hanging around jeb
bush or john kasich, or hillary clinton, there is something about trump's campaign that speaks to them and there is something that he is doing that makes them not feel alienated. >> i want to start a trending hash tag, butler syndrome. this connects this story to before, part of what congressional people are afraid of these explosions will happen every day, every week. today was the butler, tomorrow it will be somebody else. donald trump will say something. it is like the butler syndrome. they're afraid trump campaign will continue to implode. trump himself will say these things, and that will drag down the ticket, that will drag down lots of candidates in the election. >> in your reporting do you hear concerns about these kind of things a lot from folks in the gop? >> enormous concerns, not about the butler specifically or this kind of violent rhetoric, but regularly every time trump takes a step forward. you can think back to you know, the super tuesday primaries and
the florida primary. almost every time he scored some big victory, and i think you can call his victory in washington a significant win. there's also other major distractions, david duke or this episode today, tax returns earlier this week. for somebody like paul ryan that wants to give the nominee benefit of the doubt up to a point, don't want to handcuff to a guy with a giant surprise on hand. >> we have to take a break. coming up next, donald trump and some of the issues. some worries conservatives have, the way his positions have changed over time.
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welcome back. the republican party tries to find a way to come together with donald trump as the presumptive nominee, there are hurdles, the biggest for some republicans the question whether trump has conservative credentials they look for in a candidate. house speaker paul ryan has been in that group. one reason it can be tough to get a read from a policy standpoint on who trump is in terms of position, tom foreman takes a look. >> reporter: throughout this chaotic campaign, the trump brand is built on clear, strong statements.
for example, last december when he called for all muslims to be barred from coming to the u.s. >> donald j. trump is calling for total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> reporter: with the nomination looming, listen to him now. >> it's a temporary ban, it hasn't been called for yet, nobody has done it, this is just a suggestion. >> i am donald trump and i approved this message. >> reporter: trump the nonpolitician has been doing what politicians do so well. highlighting possible flip flops by opponents while quietly shifting his own views, on minimum wage, last fall he acknowledged some people want to see it raised. >> but we cannot do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. we just can't do it. >> so you would not raise minimum wage. >> i would not raise the minimum. and now? >> i like the idea of let the states decide. but i think people should get more.
i think they're out there, they're working. it is a very low number. >> reporter: on his tax plan. earlier, he promised a break for middle class america and to hammer the wealthy. >> in other words it is going to cost me a fortune. >> reporter: and now? >> if i increase the wealthy, that means they're paying less than now. i am not talking about increasing from this point, i am talking about increasing from my tax proposal. >> reporter: and on immigration, he proposed a wall along the southern border. >> we will build the wall. who is going to pay for the wall? who? >> mexico. >> who? >> mexico. >> reporter: trump insists building a wall is not open for negotiation. but other parts of his immigration plan might be. >> things are negotiable, i'm be honest with you, make the wall two feet shorter or something. everything is negotiable. >> reporter: all of this makes trump vulnerable to claims that he, too, is a flip flopper.
it also reveals he is well aware of a basic political reality. primaries may be won by strong positions on the left and right, but the white house is usually won in the middle. anderson? >> thanks very much. charlie sykes is talk radio host from paul ryan's stomping grounds. from wisconsin. great to have you on again. these shifts from trump, there does seem to be a pattern. he throws out a provocative statement, then indicates flexibility. negotiability which makes it hard to pin him down. >> makes it difficult to rely on him. this is the problem the republicans have. there's a lot of happy talk, but two big problems. donald trump's character and principles or lack of principles. i think you see that illustrated. republicans may be in a room with him 45 minutes, he will tell them how he stands on a variety of issues, but they have no idea how long that will stick, whether that will change.
if paul ryan wants to find out if donald trump is able to campaign as an adult and as a conservative, and this is going to be tricky, the man isn't going to change character in 48 hours or 24 hours, and in terms of position, he is a blank slate. the reason he is all over the map, maybe he is being clever, maybe there is no fixed course. paul ryan with bedrock principles, and donald trump saying what he thinks he needs to say in the moment. >> today on the meeting with ryan, did it seem to you it is basically speaker ryan before he gets on the trump train? trying to figure out where things are going? >> this will be the most complicated bromance. the dilemma for paul ryan, he knows who donald trump is, but he has a job. he has to be, as speaker of the house of representatives, he has to make the best of a bad situation.
minimize the damage. maybe there's a possibility that he can draw donald trump toward conservatism, maybe provide some policy guidelines to do this. maybe he can heal some of those wounds. you want to talk about two different guys, last week you had donald trump who is releasing flying monkeys on paul ryan. paul ryan trying to be conciliatory, trying to be persuasive. again, a lot of happy talk, huge gaps remain. >> where do you go as somebody who was part of the never trump movement? >> still there. >> still there. >> very much so. i can't say that the man is a liar, a con man that makes fun of the disabled, women, emotional stability of a nine-year-old playground bully, but yes, let's give him nuclear codes. i don't know how you do that.
i don't know you say that the man is a racist, misogynist, but make him president because of party loyalty. that's a difficult move and i think a lot of republicans are counting on either the public having complete amnesia or the anti-hillary thing being that strong. the reality is that at some point you have to draw the line and say i can't be part of this. >> charles sykes, appreciate you being on the program tonight. just ahead, with donald trump turning fire on hillary clinton, she's facing a crucial strategy decision, fire back in the same fashion or try to stay above it all. others tried both tactics and failed. look at what her campaign seems to be wanting to do next. ♪
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donald trump is blasting hillary clinton with intensely personal attacks, same kind used against republican opponents. it is a strategy that worked in the primary. secretary clinton working to clinch the democratic nomination has been hitting back. here's some of the back and forth they've been having. >> she was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler. >> i don't want anybody in our country or anywhere in the world to think he speaks for anybody but himself.
>> her whole life has been a big, fat beautiful lie. it has been a terrible, terrible lie. >> the kind of language coming from donald trump is hateful. >> if i had a contest between crooked hillary clinton and the media, i'm not sure, folks! >> trump keeps saying things like well, you know, i didn't really mean it. it was all part of my reality tv show. if we buy that, shame on us. >> you saw secretary clinton hasn't shied from mixing it up with trump, though her style is less scorched earth. she recently said she's focusing on policy, not respond to insults. sounds familiar. that strategy didn't work out well for the 16 candidates that ran against trump. back with the panel. alex, do you think she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't? she said she's going to focus just on running her race. lot of republicans tried to do
that. but at the same time, you look at marco rubio who tried to fight back and it didn't work well for him either. >> i think there's no obvious right answer for how to deal with personal attacks on this level which are truly unprecedented in presidential politics at this level. i think clearly what the clinton campaign decided to prioritize is trying to pin down trump on policy pronouncements before he can use the etch a sketch them away. doesn't want to find out in july they forgot about the muslim ban, propose some immigration deal. i think the rationale on some level is personal attacks are coming no matter what she does now, so if you try to pin him down on some issues where he is clearly on the wrong side of public opinion in a general election, maybe that serves you better in the long term, but it is a big risk. >> one of the things she kept saying in the interview was loose cannon, we heard that on the campaign trail. that's one of the things they're running up the flagpole. >> listening to that is
depressing to think of what kind of election we face. the country has serious problems to address. donald trump is dragging the election down into the gutter in a way that will make it a bitter, ugly election. whether it is hillary or bernie, the strategy is to point out contradictions as alex said. secondly, i think baked in the cake for trump is the fact he alienated women and latinos. republicans need 40% of the latino vote to win the white house. if i'm correct. i don't think they'll get 20%. that's baked in the cake no matter where the polls are and how it looks election day. i think if we democrats continue to talk to voters, independent voters, this isn't the primary, we're going to win the election. >> mark, do you think hillary clinton or bernie sanders know how to run against donald trump? >> i think they do, and there are lessons to be learned by the primary. no one was effective fighting back with donald trump on a personal level. carly fiorina got a different
response when he beat up on her, attacked her. hillary clinton may have benefitted from that. he performs as a sexist, whether he is is not relevant. voters read him sexist with carly fiorina and talked about her appearance. with marco rubio, that wasn't the case. he has to be careful. she can play the loose cannon card. she can also play the policy card. and he has to be very careful, otherwise he will look like a bully bully. >> do you see him running differently against hillary clinton and bernie sanders than he ran against the gop? >> i think he has to. mark has a point that there's a gender dynamic at play. she's trying to say trump is anti-woman. you can't play into that. he has to treat her differently than others. but that doesn't mean insulating her from very real questions like the clinton foundation and her e-mail setup. she has to answer those. staying silent won't be an option. >> she doesn't have to push the narrative, they have to run the ad that the super pac attacked trump. these are things he said about women. >> he has to address those. >> we have to take a break.
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economy. [cheers and applause] >> when reagan shows up at the stock exchange, and they're yelling "ronnie, ronnie "! that means america is back. don lemon starts now. there is no better symbol of the '80s than donald trump, but no one in the '80s, not even trump himself could have predicted where we would be right now. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. the man who invented the art of the deal in washington to make the deal of a lifetime, a deal he hopes could put him one step closer to the white house. trump tweeting great day with speaker ryan. things working out really well. paul ryan pointing out, it just might take more than a day. >> the process of unifying the
republican party, which just finished a primary about a week ago, perhaps one of the most divisive primaries in memory takes some time. >> meanwhile, bernie sanders weighs in on the whole thing. >> they've got a serious problem, an extreme right wing party are dealing with a guy who changes his views every day from bad to worse. >> and bill clinton campaigning for his wife, candidate, saying this. >> this has been, i think, the most benign word i can think of. this has been a fairly interesting election. >> we want to begin with the trump ryan meeting. the whole day does choke you up. you said it was a pretty big tent to hold a political circus. >> that's right. donald trump and his team came to washington to test how big is
that tent, is there enough room for trump, and the message he got from paul ryan is there just might be. there was no official announcement from the speaker, but officials from the trump campaign say they weren't expecting that today. this will be a long process, there were little bites, you might say, for donald trump, even on the senate side where trump has the endorsement of mitch mcconnell, there are still hard feelings, john cornyn says he needs to change his tone on immigration. but trump was doing a lot less talking and a lot more listening, and i think that went a long way with a lot of republicans. >> imagine that. >> is it that paul ryan will event lually have to endorse trump, is that accurate? >> i that i is the conventional wisdom. paul ryan says he represents a wing of the party, but donald trump himself has created a whole new wing of first-time voters who are pumping a lot of
excitement into the party. the question remains can trump meet ryan halfway on some of these issues on trade or entitlements or trump and ryan are very far apart. but the officials i spoke to believe ryan's endorsement will come in time. >> was today's meeting just about introductionintroductions? >> paul ryan says he barely knows donald trump, which is extraordinary to think where we are in this stage of the campaign. donald trump showed that he is willing to work on that. you saw him pick up on the endorsement of orrin hatch. he was effusive talking to reporters. then we learned trump had spoken by phone with senator lindsay graham. considering how much they hammered each other over the last six months. and finally, donald trump had a sit-down with james baker, a
trusted adviser of the bush family, and it does not get more washington than that. >> jim acosta in washington. thank you, appreciate it. >> joining me now, two people on opposite sides. jan brewer is the governor of arizona. and bill kristol of the weekly standard. speaker ryan today. >> i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump today. i do believe that we are now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified, to bridge the gaps and differences. and so from here we're going to go deeper into the policy areas to see where that common ground is and how we can make sure we are operating off these same core principles. so yes, this was our first meeting, i was very encouraged with this meeting. but this is a process. it takes a little time. you don't put it together in 45 minutes.
that's why i say we had a very good start to the process in how we unify. >> so donald trump didn't speak today, but we know he is a prolific tweeter. he said great day in d.c. with speaker ryan and republican leadership. things working out really well. so my question to you is, this is about deal making, so who has more lieverage? >> let me begin again, that was very encouraging the results that took place today, and it's a lessening of the friction that's taking place, and i think it's going to work its way through and obviously, donald is going to be our candidate. so this is the way that it should play out. everybody should get behind donald trump and support him. he's the republican candidate, and the person that has the most power, i think, is both of them. you know, the art of compromise is the art of working in a body.
the governor or the president of the united states, they work with their legislature or their congress, and you put ideas out there, and that body that is the congress that we all look upon and elect people from that everybody compromises, but it is so important that you have an open door, and it's so important that you have, maybe, a person there of your same party so you can compromise, because if you have one party and you have a president with a different idea, totally, it's not going to get it done. you need to elect donald trump and get the job done. >> bill kristol, i know you're dying to get in here, what's your response? >> actually, i'm against trump and jan is for trump, but i agree, this was a good day for donald trump, the republican establishment really turns out to be as lame as donald trump said it was. here they are capitulating to donald trump.
jan is being complete saying there's evidence of a compromise. there's no evidence donald trump is compromising on anything. most critics of donald trump aren't interested in compromising. it's donald trump's republican party, which is why some of us are going to have to leave it, at least at the presidential level, temporarily. >> what would you have liked to have seen today? >> i would have liked to have seen paul ryan say i'm the republican speaker of the house. >> what effect do you think that would have had, governor brewer? >> i respect you so much, and i've been a supporter of yours for a long time, but we have a nominee, and it's donald trump. and it's going to be a lot easier to get to your side of the issues and to compromise than to have hillary elected. and i, i ask everybody, what are
you going to do? are you just going to stay out of the election? or are you going to go and vote for hillary and have four more years of barack obama? it just simply doesn't make any sense. and, as a former governor, bill, we know that we go in there with philosophical beliefs that we believe in, but everybody comes from all different areas, and you never agree 100% on er everything. and in the business world, i believe they call it doing a deal, like donald calls it, doing a deal. in the legislative body it is a compromise, because you don't always get 100%. but you're better to work with somebody of your same ilk than somebody who is totally against everything you believe. >> i don't like the fact that he likes president putin of russia and other positions he has of foreign policy, but to me, it's a matter of character and
judgment. he went to indiana in the last contested primary, embraced mike tyson's endorsement. mike tyson was convicted of a rape. don't you want to consider the tough guy, the endorsement? oh, no, i like tough guys. others will make different judgments, but i think he should not be president of the united states. >> you were extremely proud of the fact that many new voters had entered the primary system. is there any hope of defeating hillary clinton if there is any, doesn't there have to be unity within the party? >> well, i think there will be. i think there will be an independent candidate. i think a republican of integrity and honor whom people like me will feel comfortable
voting for. i hope, it will be an outside job, but i think that person can beat both hillary clinton and donald trump. and for all the talk of how well he did, and he won the nomination fair and square. and he's still at less than 50% of the republican votes. all of that huge turnout didn't vote for donald trump. >> are you suggesting a third candidate, bill? >> yes. >> isn't it too late for that, though? >> no. only one state's deadline has passed, and i think north carolina will pass soon. the next one is june 27th. and actually a lawsuit in those two states would work. in the '80s, there were lawsuits against early deadlines. think arizona's is early to get onto. i think in a tom coburn or mitt romney. >> you mentioned mitt romney,
why? >> they said they couldn't support donald trump. i would admire them if they stepped forward and said i'm going to run a positive campaign. i think we have two people running for president who should not be president, and a majority of americans in both cases have unfavorable views of donald trump and hillary clinton. neither should be president. let me offer an alternative. do independent candidates normally win? of course not, but this is an exceptional year. >> if a third party candidate entered, wouldn't that be turning it over to a democrat? >> absolutely, absolutely it would be turning it over to hillary clinton. and the people of our party have spoken. and they have overwhelmingly voted for mr. trump. and for people wanting to put a third party in there is just going to fracture the party again. i've been a republican, bill, all my life. and it's been a long life, a long, hard life, by the way.
and you don't have to agree with a person 100 percent on everything. but you talk about donald trump's ability to say things sometimes that maybe are not so well accepted, but, you know, he was trying to be nice to say mr. putin was a nice guy. who knows? but we like his policies. and people want to shake things up. republicans have been in charge, and a whole lot of stuff didn't get done at all. at all. and they want a change. and i think you would agree, at least with his reduction on tax policy, that's important, and bringing jobs and creating jobs. he's a known job creator. you know mr. trump, i know mr. trump. and he is a very nice man -- >> give him a chance to respond. >> okay. >> bill? >> well, i've only met him once or twice, and i don't think he's particularly a nice man. and there's a point in evidence that he's a bully, and sort of
an ego, has a huge ego, a narcissist. i think he would be a terrible president. who knows what his tax plan is, he's changed it about five times. who knows his position on deporting 5 million people or anything. he's been a very effective demagogue. and i don't begrudge elected officials. i think they're in a different position. if you are an elected republican, you have more of an obligation or your inclination should be to support the republican. but i've voted for a republican in every election since i first voted in 1972. i have regretted none of those votes. i would have preferred their policies, and i was happy to vote for the republican. >> but not this time. >> not this time for me. >> when we come back, i want to talk some more about the names being mentioned as possible
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. donald trump and paul ryan releasing a joint statement after their meeting today saying that while they had differences, there's a lot of common ground between them and they're committed to unifying the gop, but is that even possible at this point? you've been listening to the conversation between the governor jan brewer and bill kristol. i want you to listen to what donald trump said. >> i am the king of debt. i love debt. this is the united states government. first of all, you never have to default because you print the money, i hate to tell you, okay. we're out of control. we have no idea who's coming into our country. we have no idea if they love us or hate us. we have no idea if they want to bomb us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists, and some, i assume are good people. i will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and i have will have mexico pay for it.
we're going to build the wall, believe me. believe me. >> it was statements like that that got people worried about him as a nominee. do you think statements like that represent the republican party's principles? >> i think it represents the people of america. the people of america are very, very angry. they want some results. i certainly agree with mr. trump in regards to we need to secure our borders, for a lot of different reasons. arizona was the gate way of illegal immigration, and they're still coming. and along with that comes, you know, the drug cartels and the drug cartels comes the sex trafficking, the drop houses, the extortion, and it ends up in our state, and we are responsible for all those bills that we have to incur by them creating crime, the inkrars racial. then they filter out into the rest of the united states, so we're all affected by it. >> the stature overall that
immigrants are responsible for less crime than americans who were born here. >> well, i'm not talking about immigrants. i'm talking about illegal immigrants and drug cartels. >> even illegal immigrants. >> and the crime they bring here. and we do not want it, nor can we afford it, and it's wrong, and we believe in the rule of law. if you want to come, come legally. >> bill, do you think those statements represent america? >> i think jan's a better spokesman for donald trump than donald trump is. when jan's the vice presidential nominee the campaign will do moore more to put her out than then. i'm curious to talk to jan after the whole thing's over and after the independent wins for the first time in a couple centuries in america. and that will be exciting and
then jan can tell stories about what it was like to be on the trump/brewer ticket. >> appreciate the transition, in today's meetings trump sat down with a few who have been mentioned as vp picks. this is fox news last night, this is what he said about you, govern. >> jan brewer has been fantastic. she has been so fantastic. and i won so big. her territory, and we won so big. and she's a fabulous woman. >> what's your reaction? >> well, certainly, i, you know, appreciate him speaking so nicely about me. but there are a lot of people out there, men and women, who are highly qualified, that would be great candidates. >> who would you like to see. like who? >> i don't, i don't get to make that choice. mr. trump is going to have to choose somebody that he feels
comfortable w somebody i think political that knows the ropes that have been down there to be able to negotiate and compromise and knows the process to help him. andizes that, too. and i would be honored, of course to talk about it. i would be honored to serve mr. trump in any capacity if i could help him, because i love america, and i've been involved in politics for a long time. i want to do what's right. this last eight years of our administration here has been a disaster, an absolute disaster. >> he also met with rob fortman today, jeff sessions, john thune, all who have been mentionedmates. but do you think he should pick a woman or minority? >> i probably maam one of the f women, i don't think it mneeds o be a woman, joanni ernst, mysel
i don't think people vote because they're a woman, they want policies and change. and i think there are policies that have struck a chord with the people. >> is there someone that if he picked as a vice presidential pick that would help you move over to the trump side? >> not really. for me, the question is, if you're trump's vice presidential running mate, do you get to call him donald? or do you have to keep on calling him mr. trump? that, to me, is the question to be asked. what is with the mr. trump thing. he's a private citizen. really, i think we can call people by their first names, can't we? >> i don't know, i think when someone's running for president you should show some respect and call them by their last name. sometimes i slip and call him
donald. >> i'm not talking about you, i'm talking about his peers, governors, is that rights, congress men. it's mr. trump this, mr. trump that. when jan becomes -- i am for old-fashioned courtesy, but when jan becomes vp, it will be donald. >> i call him both. i call him both. >> i am just teasing you. >> all right, have a good night. how would ronald reagan unify the gop. i'll ask his son michael next.
house speaker paul ryan still withholding his endorsement of donald trump despite their meeting today. here to discuss this is michael reagan, the son of ronald reagan. it's great to have you on. dennis, i want to play again what paul ryan said today. >> this is our first meeting. i was very encouraged with this meeting. but this is a process. it takes a little time. you don't put it together in 45
minutes. >> so still no endorsement from paul ryan. can trump and ryan put their differences behind them and resolve this, you think, dennis? >> i do, actually, and i think paul ryan is handling it with a lot of dignity. had he, after all the critiques of trump said okay, we're on the bandwagon, i think people would not have taken him seriously. he has to worry about hundreds of congress men and their reelection ability, and he has to worry about his own credibility. i think he's handling it with a lot of dignity, and i salute him. >> so michael, if your father, ronald reagan were in the same situation, if he saw a republican party standard bearer who may not share his particular principles, how do you think he would handle it? >> i think there's a big difference between somebody who doesn't share his principles and donald trump. i think there's a big difference. i think my father always did support the nominee of the party. but i think in this case right now he would really have to sit back and really, truly think
about donald trump, and it would be up to donald trump to bridge that gap between himself and ronald reagan or himself and paul ryan and himself and lindsey graham and himself and the bushes and himself and those who are going to vote in november. it's not incumbent on anybody else. it's incumbent on donald trump. >> when you said there are big differences between your dad and donald trump, what are those differences? >> well, my father wasn't demeaning. he paid attention to the 11th commandment. don't speak ill of another republican. he knew he had to bring those people on board to win a national election in november. by demeaning them, it's not only very hard to get them on support but also their supporters. you can't say lying ted on a regular basis and then go to his supporters and say please come vote for me in november unless you've done something to reach out and do a mea culpa with
those who voted for ted cruz. >> i think you said, the question was, what would your father do in this position, and you said what would make you think my father would even want to be in this position. >> yeah, really, somebody said i wish we had your father back. and i said what would make you think he would come back. there's people talking about my father and donald trump, saying donald trump is just like ronal reagan. the truth is, if ronald reagan were like donald trump, nancy never would have married him. >> do you think they have the ti time to pull this together? >> there is the time. i think they will. i have devoted the last half year in print, and national review and elsewhere in print and on my national radio show to criticizing quite severely, criticizing donald trump, however, i did say at the beginning, if, god forbid -- i
don't know if i used god forbid", if he is the nominee, i will vote for him. i am sticking to that, from my perspective, the democratic party has done a lot of damage to my beloved country, and i cannot really abide by the idea of having another four years of that, of having the supreme court set, and the reason, it's not just that i disagree, obviously, because i'm conservative, but i don't agree with folks on the left. it's not just that, it's that they use the court in lieu of congress, that for the left, if you can't pass a law, you use judges to pass the law. and that's a very disturbing thing. it's made the supreme court far more powerful than the founding father the envisioned it. >> do you agree with that? >> no, i don't agree with that at all. it's up to donald trump to get everybody on board. dennis is a republican, but donald trump hasn't proven himself to be a conservative,
and he just really came into the republican ranks, and you can't trust the fact he's going to pick the right judges to go on the supreme court. because every day he seems to change his message just a little bit more depending on who he stal talks about and who he speaks about. so he has a lot of work to do to bring others such as myself and others, on board, but i'm not appreciative of a man who demeans a man like john mccain, who demeans others on the campaign trail and people applaud that kind of demeaning. i don't think that's right at all. >> let me just say. >> so you're not going to vote for him, michael. >> i'm not saying at this point i'm not going to vote for him, but if the election were today, i would be voting down a ballot. >> i said i do believe that it is up to donald trump to make the overtures. i couldn't agree more, and the
despicable things he said about john mccain and others remain despicable, i'm not happy about it. but in life, very rarely do we have the choice between good and evil. we generally have it between lessers of evil. >> you said that the other night when you came on. it sounds like a shotgun wedding to me between you two. >> if i can say something, don. >> yeah, go ahead. >> where are the signs that say hispanics for donald trump, where are the signs that say women for donald trump? these are the areas he's so weak in. 75% of american are against him. i'm sure 100% of hispanics aren't going to vote for him. how do you make inroads into those areas, and how is the democratic party going to deal with donald trump is another one. >> if trump, if he's winning with voters, why should he change his, you know, for party leaders now? we'll talk about that next.
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unity, but should donald trump change to suit the gop or should they change to suit him. the whole idea behind donald trump's campaign is to let trump be trump. it's a winning formula for him now, so why should he change his tone? >> well, he probably won't change his tone at all, but he needs to do something to bring people together. i don't know if the republican national party wants to be a party of saying we're going to pick up 11.5 million illegals and ship them out of the united states of america, that we're going to be the party that's going to stop muslims from coming into the united states, i don't know if the republican party, that's the change they in fact want to make. and i think that's part of what paul ryan is considering at this point in time. who is the republican party. i treated out a few weeks ago, the republican party is no longer the party of reagan. it is the party of trump, good luck. >> dennis, to michael's point before the break, how is he going to make inroads with women and latinos? and now he's saying the
republican party should not be the party of people who are trying to stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country, or stop immigrants from coming into the country, whether they be hispanic or muslim. >> to begin with, women, i think he has a number of powerful arguments, not least of which is you had a democratic president and for part of the time, a democratic congress, do you think it's gone better for you? they are using you just in my belief they have used minorities in my lifetime. they use people to get vote the and say how much they're on their side. any one who opposes them is sexis sexist. i'm sure i will get more black votes than mitt romney got.
his appeal to women will be simple. what is an important issue for you, the security of the united states. do you believe that hillary clinton who was prepared to compromise the security of her country for the sake of her foundation, for money, is going to protect this country like trump will? >> he may very well do that, but it comes down, i have a 33 year old daughter, ashley marie, and we talk about this on a regular basis. like ashley says, her group of people, her 33-year-old, 34, 35-year-olds vote for somebody who is relatable and likeable. and whoever's going to be the most relatable and likeable is going to win the vote. they're not going to be intellectualizing like dennis does. they're going to go to the polls and say i relate to that person, and ha that is the person i'm going to vote for. >> you may be right, and if that is the case, there's very little
hope for the american people. this is a case of amusing ourselves to death, a book that was written in the 1980s where everything has become entertainment. 100 years ago people didn't vote for who was likeable of the issue was issues. now with television, likability, who would you like to have a beer with? that's why i figure i could never run. i don't think people would want to have a beer with me. i doesn't even drink beer. if that's what your daughter's criterion is, and it may well be, that's really sad. >> it's not her criteria, but she's talking about her generation. >> that's your daughter. okay. >> and the thing with donald trump is you have a first nominee of talk radio and social media, that's what you've got, and that's where these kids live and what have you. a lot is given to them through all of these different arenas anymore. and i don't know if that's the best thing for america.
>> we've heard this right to have a beer thing since ronald reagan, we've heard it with democratic presidents. >> i had a beer with ronald reagan. >> dennis, i have to push back a little bit, because this is sort of a talking point of the left by calling out donald trump, saying that he is sou xenophopic, racist in some way. there are people on the right who say the same things and people who say similar things, maybe not as far, even the speaker of the house said we are an open party, we don't talk about keeping people out, america is inclusive. so it's not just a talking point on the left. >> that would be said. the idea that the united states of america is allowed to have borders doesn't make you xenophopic. it's an odd correlation. we are allowed to have borders, we should have borders. mexico has far more stringent borders with guatemala than we do with mexico, is mexico
xenophopic? i find that charge unacceptable. >> we do need borders. nobody's arguing we don't need borders. we have laws. you should abide by our laws. but you're not going to be able to pick up 11.5 million people and ship them out. because those people now have families, they're married, there's children being born. to take that stand and people applaud that stand like it's going to happen. do we need an immigration policy? yes. we need a coherent immigration policy and to pass that. but the immigration policy shouldn't be, hey, are you hispanic? are you legal? we're going to ship you to a country you may never have lived in. my father would have pulled people into the oval office, sat them down and said okay, where are the areas we agree on immigration. should we really send people home that were children brought here by their parents? are we going to hold them accountable for the sin of the parent? i think my dad would come down
on the side of the child, maybe not the parent, but he'd come down on the side of the child and find a way to take care of the birthers. >> i think michael's father would have supported the idea of some barrier to protect the united states of america. i agree about the shipping and its irresponsible statements. it won't happen. it's a non-issue. but the idea of a barrier, a wall, whatever you want to call t look how effective israel has been at building a barrier and it's reduced terrorism to almost zero. >> but israel is not the size of america. >> it's the issue. >> there should be an equal comparison. but that's a conversation for another time. >> next time. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. donald trump said he had a great day in d.c. paul ryan says he was encouraged
it is beginning to sound a lot like the gop is coming around to the idea of getting behind donald trump, but what will that mean for the party? joining me is kaley mcene. >> he inherited something very special. this is the party of lincoln. of reagan, of jack kemp, and we don't always nominate a lincoln or a reagan every four years, but we hope our nominee as far as being reaganesque, that that person advances the principles of our party. >> so that was then. this is now, today, listen. >> i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump today. i do believe that, that we are
now planting the seeds to get ourselves unified, to bridge the gaps and differences. so from here we're going to go deeper in the policy areas to see where that common ground is and make sure we are operating off these same core principles. >> what a difference a week makes. you say there's a remarkable difference between those two statements. >> a week ago even cnn, what paul ryan said was that donald trump was inheriting the party of lincoln and jack kemp and had to be true to those principles and reach out to people along all walks of life. that was a statement about things like the muslim band, calling mexican immigrants rapists, encouraging assaults of african-american protesters. there was none of that in paul ryan's statements today. he didn't say donald trump was going to have to adopt the principles of the republican party as he defined them. he said donald trump represents one legitimate wing, i represent
the other. it was basically a surrender. >> so what happened? did donald trump get to him? the members of the party get to him? >> i think the truth is the republican party surrendered to trumpism a long time ago. 70% of republicans in these polls support donald trump's temporary ban on muslims. paul ryan, although i think he's an honorable man simply is a minority in his policy. >> apparently they met once very long ago. they'd spoken on the phone and had not met in person and had a long-drawn-out discussion. and i think paul ryan was very surprised when he sat down and saw a reasonable person, it's like the overnight change ben carson had. he said there are two trumps, i see this person out there talking, summarized in the media
as this, and i talk with him, he's very reflective, very smart and understands policy. i think this is paul ryan seeing this is what the voters are seeing. >> is paul ryan saying donald trump understands public policy? we've been watching donald trump several times a day for a year, i have never once seen a donald trump who shows a command of public policy. >> by the way, lindsey graham said the same thing today. he said he was very surprised by the nuanced questions. >> can he please start showing that to the american people? where is this donald trump? >> some said i actually like the guy. here's the question in this vein. john boehner said that he didn't, he did support donald trump, if he becomes the nominee, he said he would support him, but he doesn't support some of his positions. so how can you support him if you don't support his positions? i don't understand that. >> you don't need someone who is a litmus test for everything you ever believed in.
and john boehner recognizes, i might not agree with him on some policies, but the principles. >> but isn't that what really matters? is the policies and not the person? this person represents these particular policies? that's who i want to vote for? it's like he's voting for him, it sounds like, just because he's a republican. >> it's limited government. that's something that donald trump stands for. >> i've never heard him say that. >> he doesn't want a big, expansive government. >> it seems to be a government that works but he doesn't seem to be a small-government type of candidate. >> it doesn't sound like limited government to me, it sounds like a government monstrously out of control. if donald trump will gives sound kind of assurance on the supreme court and on socially conservative justices, we will overlook other things, and i think paul ryan signaled that. >> that's the thing, donald
trump was the first candidate to name his nominees. he mention the bill pryor who has been so criticized for being so pro life. he has. and we're like, what are you waiting for? we know who he's going to appoint to the supreme court? >> he's changed his mind on so many things. i'm pro choice. but i think this is what anti-abortion folks want. >> republicans, what are they most afraid of him, if he is elected? >> i think there's a real split between conservative reiteighri and conservative politicians. and i think what the conservative writers and thinkers, many of them you have on your show, what they think is that donald trump doesn't, is not informed enough to be president. he's not a man of decent
character, and he doesn't have a fundamental respect for our constitutional order. i think they're right. >> but there are some who say that doesn't matter. i'm going to vote for him anyways, which is i have interesting. which is what the speaker is saying and a number of others like lindsey graham. what a long, strange trip it has been. this has been a campaign like no other, and we've heard strange things about the candidates but now one of them is being called a zombie. a zombie candidate. i'll tell you who when we come right back. (announcer) need to hire fast?
what the butler said and a zombie running for president? this is "cnn tonight." bernie sanders says this about his campaign and his opponent. >> i absolutely believe that she can beat donald trump, but i believe quite honestly that bernie sanders is the stronger candidate. >> so here's the truth. the truth is that the odds against sanders are pretty much insurmountable. so has he turned into a zombie candidate whose campaign just damages hillary clinton? meantime, donald trump cleans house, disavowing his long-time butler after his shocking facebook post saying president obama have been taken