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since they have acknowledged they have fighters on the ground here. some 13 iranians killed there and they have a lot of enemies, certainly israelis one of them but also of course very much of the groups opposed to bashar al assad, wolf. >> fred pleitgen in damascus. thank you. that's it for me. the news continues right here on cnn next. i'm pal la brown in for brooke baldwin. nice to have you with us on this friday. there's new problems for donald trump's campaign. one day after the presumed nominee met with top republicans on the fence about whether to back him. we'll begin with problem number one, recording of the 1990s that raises some questions about whether trump posed as a press spokesman. there's recordings of interviews early in trump's real estate career and on separate occasions two alleged media reps of john
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miller and john baron speak on behalf of trump. in the exchange, we are about to play for you, john miller discusses his role within the trump organization and trump's relationship with then model carla bruni but his voice is mighty familiar. >> what is your position? >> i'm handling it because he gets so much of it. >> frankly -- >> where did you come from? >> can tell you off the record and -- off the record i can tell you that he -- he didn't care if he bad pr until he got his divorce finished and bad financial stuff he liked it. you know? it was good. because he can get a divorce then. once it's finished, notice since then he's doing well financially and well in every other way. the 5-0. and people saying how come all of a sudden he's doing so well and then "newsday" did a story on that. i've sort of been put in here to handle because i have never seen
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somebody get so many calls from the press. he was with eric clapton and introduced her to mick jagger. she went with mick jagger and then dropped him for donald and that's where it is right now. and, you know, again, he is not making any -- either. just so you understand. >> and on the "today" show trump said that was not his voice. take a listen. >> is it you? >> no. i don't think it -- i don't know anything about it. you're telling me about it for the first time and doesn't sound like my voice at all. >> "the post" said you acknowledged that that was you and it was a joke. >> i don't think it was me. it doesn't sound like me. i don't know even what they're talking about. >> all right. let's talk about this. with cnn political director sai david chalian. whether it is him or not, when's the political implication here with something like this? >> listen. i don't think this is in and of itself trouble for donald trump's campaign but highlights
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some of the concern that you see in his party about him as the nominee just because it goes to the sort of unpredictable, untraditional nature of the candidacy. it is widely reported before, pamela, as you know that he has tended to use these pseudonyms and portray pr representatives of him, an ability to hear what may be him doing it on the tape and he clearly denies that it's his voice. i think this moment sort of brings to the forefront for voters just the clash that exists of sort of the '80s, '90s new york real estate billionaire donald trump with presidential nominee donald trump. and how they coincide. >> right. and it makes you wonder how something like this could impact party leaders like those he met with on the hill yesterday because isn't some of their concern that, you know, they're
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worried to continue to be blind sided by certain things coming out about trump or certain things he is going to say or, you know, actions, that kind of thing. >> exactly. this is exactly what gives some republican leaders pause. as you know, he is starting to get some republican leaders warming to his candidacy and the establishment seems to be slowly getting on board with the nature, with the notion of him as the party's nominee and the need to unify. but you are right. it is the unpredictable nature of the trump candidacy that is the thing that gives these republican leaders pause and this gets at just what can so easily be a distraction from the message that republicans would like to drive every day against hillary clinton. >> and the interesting part, though, too, is on the flip side unpredictability is so appealing to so many of his followers. >> precisely. >> something else that remanes sort of hanging out there is this issue surrounding his tax returns. he basically says that he's not
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going to release those tax returns. how is the gop responding to this? >> well, i think this one is less about how republicans are responding. i mean, we know some of the republican critics like mitt romney has sort of raised this issue as something he needs to deal with but i think it's a broader issue for the general election and the fall and hillary clinton because i think this is something to continue to dog him if indeed he's not going to release the tax returns and cites because of the ongoing audits and something that the clinton campaign and republicans bring back about what he's hiding and ask that question an unbegun to do and that's the kind of question to dog him through november. i'm not suggesting voters make up their minds because of it but this is a distraction. >> david chalian, thank you. we appreciate it. >> sure, no problem. >> let's dig deeper with dana bash, radio and television host gina loudon and jackie kucinich.
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thank you, ladies, for come on on. a lot to discuss this friday. gina, your genre action, what do you make of this recording? >> to me, personally, i have to be honest, it didn't sound him to me. hear his voice every day all over media and didn't sound like him to me but what's significant talking about a quote/unquote on fascinating case and defended a child rapist. this is in a conversation with a roy reed. hearing her voice and sounds like her voice to me, i think you start to hold up tape recordings of things that donald and hillary has done and we have a lot to talk about. >> well, it is interesting, though, that point is donald trump said today that, look, why are you digging something up from 20 years ago? how's that relevant? you think it's fair then to do that? >> yeah. he wasn't in public policy at that point. he didn't have a career
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affecting the lives of other people but his own private business more or less. talking about hillary clinton, had a public life most of her life. and so, i think that it's perhaps an unfair advantage honestly that mr. trump has over hillary clinton because she has had such a public life, she is more likely to be held accountable for it like a mitt romney or like a ted cruz when you have a public life but nonetheless it is one of the advantages of being an outsider for donald trump, at least in the minds of voters at this point. >> what is your view on this, dana? is that he wants it both ways here or, look, he gets a pass as she said because he wasn't a public figure all this time? he goes after the clintons for their past. what is your thoughts? >> i don't think it's necessarily comparable to the clintons. i think it is a reminder of something we really don't need to be reminded of that donald trump is a very unconventional nominee because back in the
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'r09d he was kind of mr. tabloid. whether he liked it or not. whether it's true or not, whether he was impersonating a, you know, fakes spokesman or not, this was where donald trump came from in our national media pop culture, frankly. i think the bigger issue today is the fact that he said this morning that it is none of our business. he specifically responding to a question, but by saying to the questioner, none of his business and none of our business his tax rate. that's an i think more pertinent question vis-a-vis his not abilities to be president but questions about what he's worth and what has done in his businesses and so on and so forth so i think that's more recent and more relevant. >> particularly for someone who has touted his business record, i think people would like to look at that. before i get to you, jackie, i
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want gina to respond to that. do you think he should release his tax returns? >> you know, i think that the voters, again, are so -- the people who are excited about a donald trump candidacy, they know he's rich. had 500 andsome questions. the question in the minds of voters is going to weigh more perhaps might be what he's going to do about their own taxes. i think people want to know about his plan, are their taxes cut? small businesses burdens going to be released on them so that people can flourish in business again? those are the questions make or break for donald trump. know he's rich.is own taxes we - i don't think it's going to go beyond that in the minds of voters except for those that like to think about this in depth. >> all right. and speaking of plans, jackie, it seems as though trump might be shifting on the muslim ban he's proposed. listen to the new line he's using.
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>> i'm not the president right now. anything i suggest is really a suggestion and if i were president i'd put in legislation and do what i have to do. i'm not softening the stance but always flexible on issues. >> okay. so, so flexible. some others may say flip flopping which would be a deal breaker for many presidential candidates but not for donald trump it seems but in you view, jackie, is this another sign he wants to have some wriggle room with some of his more controversial proposals in the general where things -- the dynamic changes? >> it seems that way but, pam, i have honest with you and seems to be depending on the day we are talking about donald trump and where he stands on some of the issues. needs wriggle room and not changing the stance. he says but he might change the stance and i think it goes to what some in the republican establishment are worried about and don't know where he is going to be day-to-day. i have to respond coming to taxes. the reason -- one of the reasons why knowinging his tax rate is
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important coming a basic fairness. is he paying a fair share? coming to that, i think voters do care. that was one of the issues of mitt romney you will remember. he got a lot of criticism looking like he wasn't paying a fair share coming to how much he was making versus, you know, how much he was paying back to government. >> and, david chalian made the case and the earlier segment that this is really going to give a material to hillary clinton, dana, but then again, you have this candidate who seems bullet-proof. a teflon candidate. how does hillary clinton hit back against a candidate like that for tax returns and other issues? >> she's already started trying on tax returns. there's no question she's going continue to do so particularly because she has been in public life along with her husband for decades and they have released their tax return as has been their tradition and the norm. but, you know, he has been
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teflon up until now. that has been with the electorate that goes to the polls in the primary season. he's definitely brought new voters in. it is not just tried and true republicans but it's going to be -- it is still an open question. going to be one of the most fascinating thing that is we are going to watch in this general election cycle is to see if he's going to be held to a more traditional standard for a presidential candidate, somebody who has a 50-50 chance of being the president of the united states and whether the voters are going to care. i mean, we held him to a standard but the voters didn't care about a lot of things with trump they cared about with other candidates in recent history. we'll see if that happens in the general election. >> we sure will see. dana, gina, jackie, thank you ladies. >> thank you. >> monday night, don't miss exclusive with john kasich, the first interview since leaving
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the race for the white house. will he endorse trump? would he consider being his vice president? that's monday night at 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. a bombshell move that has critics accused president obama of blackmail. the white house now telling states to allow transgendered kids to use whatever bathroom they want. a former hillary clinton adviser says underestimate trump at your own peril. why his warning had democrats concerned. and, the tragic end to the life of a young man who fought to escape the violence of chicago. he's been found. we'll hear from the principal who mentored him. we'll be right back. you both have a perfect driving record. >>perfect. no tickets. no accidents... >>that is until one of you clips a food truck, ruining your perfect record. >>yup... now, you would think your insurance company
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losing federal funding or lawsuits. a north carolina law requires people use the bathroom of the gender they were born with. opponents say it's federal overreach. texas lieutenant governor said some of the $10 billion federal his state gets pays for free student lunches. >> he's taking money from the poorest of the poor, the president of the united states will be ending the free breakfast and lunch program. we will not be blackmailed by the president's 30 pieces of silver. and the people of texas and the legislature will find a way. parents are going to look for private schools. parents are not going to send their 14-year-old daughters into the shower to the bathroom with 14-year-old boys. not going to happen. >> with me now to discuss laura coates, former federal prosecutor in the civil rights division of the justice department and steve perry, principal and founder of capital preparatory magnet school.
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welcome. thank you both for coming on to talk about this very important topic. >> thank you. >> steve, i want to start with you to get your perspective just on the ground level. in your view, does this new guidance help or hurt a school district? >> it helps. we have to let the children live. they have enoug challenges as it is and we can only serve to complicate them when the adults get involved. this is not the children. the children have a keen understanding. we have had this happen in our school and we have had to find a solution to how you would engage a child who identifies as transgender and we did it without issue, without issue. >> do you see the other side, though? because the other side argues things are complicated bringing the government in to decide what's best for people's children. do you see their side? what we heard from the lieutenant governor. >> i do not. the president is saying follow the law and that's what the government does. >> okay. >> we elect a government to
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create laws and they did that and so no. i don't see it as an overreach in the least. >> let's talk about the law. laura, you are the perfect person for this. the dwas and justice departments say title ix protects gender identity and doesn't include the term transgender so how does this play into this situation if a legal standpoint? does it come down to whether gender is what you were born with, what you were identified as at birth or what you think you are? >> great point, pam. what it comes down to is separation of powers and interpret a law when it's silent on this issue. title ix and title vii talk about protected sexes, sex or gender, does not say gender identity. now, the federal government would like to believe that that interpretation of what gender is would also include gender identity, you do not believe that your external genital yeah
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matches who you identify with. voters in north carolina may saying that's the case but congress was silent because it did not contemplate an issue or because they intentionally left it out but either way the federal government is being accused right now and i think it's a little bit of a fair criticikri criticism of them of usurping the role of congress to interpret an otherwise ambiguous or silent law the their view points and when the law is silent or doesn't contemplate the scenario, that's when the courts and congress are at their best in terms of fulfilling their roles. >> and we -- no surprise up to the chain to the supreme court. steve, before i go on with a legal issues, just curious, you know, this is such a small fraction of the population, the transgendered students, have you personally dealt with this before, this type of situation? looks like we lost steve. laura, to you now.
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do schools have bylaws about this, stools requiring students to use facilities that match their gender at birth? >> some schools do because they contemplated the media and the press right now about this being a flagged issue. but in reality, the guide lines that were issued by the federal government are really voluntarily guidelines, not yet the federal law that the schools have to follow and so there is some room for these schools to be able to go around these guidelines. however, as the people are talking about, federal funding is, in fact, at stake here. schools could really risk the use or access to funding from the federal government if they choose to violate civil rights laws but the obama administration made clear, i think it is the right thing to do, that the federal fundings will not be revoked until it's run the course in the courts and the reason for that is because there's not clear guidance from congress yet on how to act. and the obama administration and
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loretta lynch and the department of justice under the executive branch have decided to interpret this law which i think is probably a correct interpretation based on the spirit of the law which it came to title vii and title ix but until they have spoken these laws and these guidelines without much teeth and the schools know it. >> is there a president or any other previous cases where it was interpreted the same way that the obama administration is interpreting it in this case? >> other schools have looked at this ashs ensaid, yes, we interpret gender identity same thing as gender. you have schools in north carolina, one of the hotbed locations saying we believe that this may be the spirit of the law and going to allow people to have open access to choose their particular bathroom of choice, precisely because to do the opposite does violate their civil rights, by outing people. making them uncomfortable or by
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offering separate but really equal and unequal facilities which is not what the civil rights era was about. it will continue to rear its head until congress speaks. >> all right. laura coates and steve perry, we lost him but thank you. really appreciate you coming on the show. >> thank you. up next on this friday, hillary clinton's former press secretary is sounding the alarm. underestimate donald trump at your own peril. are democrats taking trump too lightly? carl bernstein weighs in up next. also, the security lines that have fliers furious. you know what i'm talking about. traveler patience reaching a breaking point and now a computer glitch grounding 3,000 bags far from the destinations? what's being done to fix this all. we'll have a live report right after this break. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80%
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donald trump can win the general election and went it easily. this is not a prediction by the trump camp but a warning from hillary clinton's own former press secretary jake carson writing this on hisinstagram. i hear far too many of my liberal friends calling him a joke and acting like the general election is in the bag which is dangerous because he has a path to victory. joining me is carl bernstein. carl, at the same time you've got the similar warning from john boehner as well as david plouffe acting as a senior adviser of president obama. is this a real and valid fear among democrats who support
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>> yes, and it's not just democrats who support hillary clinton. it's her closest friends and people in her campaign who see the campaign in a kind of spiral. there's a long way to go. but a kind of spiral that they can't quite get hold of to get her and the campaign righted. and part of the problem is they know that their candidate is not a good candidate in terms of the distrust factors and playing in to the distrust factor by her own actions and she's clumsy and they're very concerned about how she is conducting the campaign. not just the way it's being perceived but her own actions and particularly upcoming things that will go to the distrust factor that they see trump exploiting. >> so, do you think it's more about her and her issues and the distrust factor or more about trump and the way he's been able to gal sanize people to come out
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and vote for him or a combination of both? >> both, but also, do not discount the media who the hillary clinton people are furious at the media. perhaps a little bit with some justification. perhaps because of free air time for donald trump and perhaps because he hasn't been always questioned as toughly as he might have been and haven't been the number of investigative pieces on him that there should have been but he is commanding a media terrain that hillary clinton is unfamiliar and not good at. and that is to say, social media. the national enquirer is very much involved in this campaign. tmz. all kinds of media outlets and cable news that are overriding the traditional news media and trump is dominating the new media and the landscape and put her totally on the defensive in an unfamiliar territory where she is very, very weak at
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defending herself. and going to substance which is what she wants to do and is best at and is very qualified to do is not working. what is happening instead is that real things that she has done, the server, other matters that she has not been totally truthful on, have been exploited and it's undermining her campaign in the view of her own advisers. >> so, in your book, "a woman in charge," you make it clear that this is a person who's complex, that she is admired by many, she is also garnered the disdain from many. some people who may not support her views kind of grudgingly admire her in some ways. i mean, this is a complex human being. what do you think is missing in the political conversation right now about her as a person? do you think people really know that the real hillary clinton? >> no. i don't think they do. i think you have to go back to
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the fundaments, to the pillars of her life which is to say religious faith, belief in public service, and family to really understand her and those are the best aspects of her in many regards. she is a very, very capable person, knowledgeable at home as a -- someone who can advocately effe effectively for the things she believes in. but i also say in that book since her arkansas years, hillary clinton has had a difficult relationship with the truth. perhaps not more than conventional politicians but there now is 30 years of baggage as one of her advisers said to me today. and that 30-year baggage is catching up with her and making it very difficult for her to stay stable in this race and meanwhile her numbers are going down in a way that has the campaign really horrified. in fact, i have heard that word
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horrified in the last few days. they're hoping that a long campaign at this time will focus attention on trump, the fact that he began his campaign with a neo- fascist message, he is a nativist, a strong man who is not at all comfortable talking substance in a coherent way, he doesn't know economics and that he's run his businesses in a way that is anti-thet call if not sometimes to the law, certainly to a moral compass that the business community might be very uncomfortable with. >> banking on him self destructing over the next couple of months. >> well, incidentally, i don't think they believe he will self destruct. >> that's what they want. >> they have to fight back, they have to fight back and find the playing field that they can fight back effectively on and so far they've been unable to find it and trump is commanding that
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playing field particularly through, as i say, media. >> carl bernstein, thank you so much. >> and her own record. >> interesting to hear your perspective on this very interesting race so far. we do appreciate it. up next, on this friday, she used to run a trump superpac. now she's written an open letter explaining why she's taking responsibility for the rise of trump. plus, going nowhere fast. are air travelers reaching a breaking point? and are checked bag fees to blame? to 4 times a week. i'd always get asked if i was asian or moroccan or something else. so i jumped at the chance to take the dna test through ancestry. and my results ended up being african, european and asian. it just confirmed what i guess people had seen in me all my life. i do feel like ancestry helped give me a sense of identity. "what are you?" now i know. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com
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to meet one unlike the others because she was once on the inside. stephanie segaws ki said she's authored an online piece of why she can no longer support him. also back with me, radio and television host gina loudon, also a trump supporter. thank you both for coming on. stephanie, first off, just tell me your story. you started off inspired by donald trump and then wrote a piece saying, quote, trump never intended to be the candidate but the pride is too out of control to stop him now. what happened? why did you change your mind about donald trump? >> urgit happened after we lefte superpac. we shut it down if october of last year and as the debates continued, as his rallies continued, as the things he said lacked substance, lacked any sort of strong policy, i just felt like i couldn't support him
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any longer. i constantly felt like he needed to be in the spotlight as opposed to what was going to be the best for the country if he became president of the united states. >> that was something you didn't see earlier when you were part of his inside team? >> i didn't. but if you think back to last summer, you know, we didn't have all the media coverage on him that we have had over the last eight months. he was very much the outsider protest candidate who wanted to bring something different to the race. and i was one of those people that was disenchanted with the gop and wanted something that wasn't the career politician just looking to keep their seat. i wanted someone who could actually maybe make a difference. >> and we should say that members of the trump campaign told salon that stephanie was never part of the team and wanted her 15 minutes of fame, that's been the response from the trump side. gina, what is your response to
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stephanie as a trump supporter? >> well, i think that, you know sh everybody's entitled to their own opinion and i consider myself somebody when's watched the selection carefully and my evolution to being somebody that can vote for a president trump it was sort of exactly opposite hers. and i have never been part of the official campaign at all. like stephanie, i have never been part of the official campaign but just seeing how he has responded, by the way, the policy is listed on the website. it is much of his policy that brought me to him at first. i spent a year writing a book and learned that for me and many women that i spoke to, what we really wanted were simple things. economic security, national security, and constitutional adherence. and when i hear mr. trump speak about the things he's going to do, especially for national and economic security, i feel like the future for my children will
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be better. my background's in psychology. my dowork of human behavior and think the people not going to like mr. trump continue to put information in a file saying, no, bad, dangerous, all these things and people that see him as a true outside we are a chance to topple the establishment that they fought for decades, they're in and they're excited for the first time in a long, long time and i don't think that changes because of some of the more minutia details coming out. >> stephanie, is there anything at this point that donald trump could do or say to change your mind? >> i don't think so. donald trump is donald trump. and he is this bigger than life personality who is going to continue along this path that he's going down. and i don't really think that there is anything that he could say or do right now to change my mine. yes, he does have policies up on -- policy proposals up on the
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website. you know, i wrote many of the -- i wrote all of the superpac pieces of that based on what he had published on his website. but it's all kind of fluff and theory. there is no there there with him. >> all right. >> that's not true. she didn't write the policy on mr. trump's website. >> for the superpac site, yes i did. the campaign. is not related to- that's a totally different organism there. >> stephanie and gina, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, right mere in the newsroom, the clinton foundation facing tough questions of allegations that it steered millions of dollars to a company owned by friends of the family. were laws broken? the former president responds. up next, drawing the line. passengers fed up by long waits at airport security. the fed's responding. what they'll do to keep the crowds moving.
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missed fligtds. may be the new normal this summer. we're used to that those of us that fly. take a look. this is the scene in phoenix. 3,000 of pieces of luggage in a parking lot y.? a computer glitch such down tsa screening machines. it is so bad that more than 20 airports turning to private firms to speed up screening and some senators want to cut baggage fees. moments ago, the homeland security director saying more tsa officers will be hired, overtime expanded an issued this warning. >> my other message to the american public is that there will be wait times. there will be wait times this summer as they move through aviation security check points. we encourage people to have the appropriate expectations when they arrive at airports.
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>> all right. let's bring in aviation analysis marie schiavo. you heard him say there will be wait times but would airlines cut the fees for bags and would that help with the situation of lines? >> it would help a lot. there are study that is show when airlines put in bag fees or substantially raise bag fees almost immediately the amount of carryon on bags go up by 20% and airlines raised the baggage fees 67% in the last 5 years. and so, here's the comparison. checked bags account for about half a billion bags, tsa has to screen. carry-on bags account for four times that amount. and so, obviously, we are just stuffing the checkpointing full of bags. largely because, not entirely, but largely because of the bag fees. >> and i have to say, even when you're on the plane and you wait forever as people put their bags up in the compartments, happened to me last weekend and didn't
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have a place to put my bag and clearly something that tsa wants airlines to consider. would they -- i mean, would this sway them any way to get rid of the baggage fees? how important are the baggage fees to the bottom line? some don't charge. i believe southwest for one. >> the airlines will say that they're a huge surge in profitability in part due to the add-of on fees and the selection pricing as they call it, collect what items you want the buy and baggage is one of them and the airlines say that helped in addition to record low -- recent history record low fuel fares. but that has pushed them into profitability saying they can't take away the fees. they could flip the fees and charge less for checked bags and more for carry-on. it's a big hassle but the other thing that no one is saying is that by having these long lines snake around the airport, remember, in brussels they
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attacked the waiting people in the airport. so this poses a huge security risk for people standing in the lines so it's not just people are going to get irate and indeed they are but concerned about security and comes squarely within the job of the tsa to protect them not just on the planes but waiting in line. >> gootd point. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll see what happens. a tragic end to the life of a young man fighting to escape the violence of chicago. the former prom king in the cnn series is found dead. hear from the principal who mentored him, up next. to your doctor about your medication... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me go further. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms.
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ruthless violence on the streets of chicago once again claimed the life of a young
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person. the victim was a young man in the cnn 2014 documentary "chicagoland." authorities say 22-year-old lee mccullum shot in the back of the head on a path to escape the deadly gang culture infiltrating the city's south side. she graduated with honors and crowned prom king while the family battled homelessness. his former principal worked to keep him focused on staying alive. >> i think we all have to think of the long-term plan for your life. who you want to be as a man. >> i don't have a plan. >> what do you think about me being january and going away? to college or to a trade school? >> i wouldn't mind going away. >> give me your word we'll meet up next week. you know me. i keep it 100% real. you know how i am. i don't want to hear nothing bad happen to you. i don't want to be going to your funeral. >> so heartbreaking. i want to bring in brian young
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in chicago. what more do we know here? is there any word on a suspect or possible suspect? did he go back to the gangs? what happened? >> well, you know, this's a tough question to answer right now, pamela. as far as we know right now, police have few leads in this case. what we do believe is this young man headed to work when he was shot and killed and he, of course, left there in the street to die. and of course, so many people have gone back over this trying to figure out what happened. not sure if police have suspected, an ongoing beef. as we talk to some people in chicago, they say, look, he could have been killed for any reason. the first 24 to 48 hours, people hoping for answers to come forward but this young man dealt with so much in his life. three weeks ago his girlfriend was shot and killed pretty much in front of him when a gunman opened fire into a crowd and he witnessed her killing and then three weeks later, he's shot and killed and look at the young man's life and tried to overcome
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when you talk to the principal and see the love that she had for this young man and the hope she had, you understand why so many people feel a little hopeless about what happened. >> you see it -- he was on my last nerve. a lot of trouble an issues and wrapped supports and resources around him and he joined the basketball team. we could see kind of slowly shift until when he graduated, prom king. he was on the honor roll and changed his life and it was -- it was positive and it was inspiring because we know that all of our kids have that potential. i think they're up against incredible odds. >> all kids have that potential an the fact that he was up against incredible odds and seemed to beat some of that back, you can understand why right now so many people upset. the idea of this kid not making it and trying so hard to get out of the way and what will happen next and the violence in chicago, over 1,200 shootings.
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the city on pace for 500 murders. summer months coming this direction. people wonder what's going to happen next. pamela, really no answers right now for what to do seeing the resources spent to help this kid and then in the end didn't help. >> just awful. really drives home his death the epidemic that's playing out in chicago and other major cities across the country where homicides are on the rise. ryan young, thank you. >> no easy answer. i'm pamela braun in for brooke baldwin on this friday. just one day after donald trump, quote, found common ground with republican leaders in washington. made his case to those undecided in his party presumptive nominee confronting new questions about his policies and his past. an audio recording of the 1990s that raises questions about whether trump may have posed as his own press spokesman. "the washington post" obtained recordings of phone interviews
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early in the real estate career and on separate occasions two alleged media reps speak on behalf of trump and the exchange we're about to play for you john miller discusses trump's divorce from ivana and his relationship with future wife marla maples. the voice might sound pretty familiar. >> well, it is just that he really decided that he wasn't, you know, he didn't want to make an equipment. he didn't want to make a commitment and he thought it was just a -- he was coming out of a, you know, a marriage that -- he's starting to do tremendously well traditionally and 5-0 the other day and working hard and doing well and probably as you know there's a real estate depression in the united states and he's probably doing as well as anybody there is and frankly, he wants to keep it that way. he just thought it was too soon to make any commitment to anybody. >> what is going to happen?
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is she left to stay? >> well, she can -- he treats everybody well. you don't know him but -- >> i have met him. >> have you met him? >> he is a good guy and not going to hurt anybody. >> on the "today" show trump said it is not his voice. >> is it you? >> no. i don't know -- i don't know anything about it. it doesn't sound like my post at all. >> "the post" said you acknowledged a couple of decades that was you but it was a joke. >> i don't think it was me. it doesn't sound like me. i don't know what they're talking about. >> all right. let's talk about all of this with cnn political analyst chief political analyst gloria borger, political reporter maeve rusten and a senior reporter for the u.s. news & world report. gloria, kind of break it down for us. how relevant is a tape like this to the race? >> look. i think at this point when you're narrowing down the
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choices, you start and we in the media in particular, you start looking at a candidate differently. and one of the things you look at in a candidate is who they are. what their character is, history was and background is. trust is a big issue when you look at a political candidate. this is a story that the post did. it's been well-known for years because trump himself admitted it as the post points out back in the -- back in the early '90s that he on occasion had posed as a spokesman and called it a joke gone awry and today i think he was confronted and maybe caught off guard by it and something that the journalist who worked for "people" magazine even wrote about at the time and let me read you the mheadline of the piece. trump says good-bye to marla, hello carla and a mysterious pr
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man who sounds just like donald calls to spread the story. so this was kind of well-known and, you know, in a way, it would have been easy for trump today to say, look, that was something that was decades ago and it was a joke and it was something i used to do. now let's get on to the serious stuff. but he denied it completely so we're just going to have to watch to see how this plays out. >> and if it comes out, david, that it is him and that he, in fact, lied about it today on the "today" show how much damage could that say? >> i think it's not me. i never heard this before and very careful with his words. first of all, of course this is him. he admitted it in a court deposition in 1990 that it was him. but i actually disagree. i don't think this matters a lick with voters. i think people look at this and they sort of laugh at it. it would have been different if he was a governor and doing these things but he was talking to gossip reporters about his
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dating life. and i think most voters have sort of rendered their judgment on trump. they know he's a different guy and different candidate with a spectacular and flamboyant life and i think most people on the face of it, look at it, roll their eyes and move on. >> i don't think it changes any minds, david. i don't think it changes anybody's mind one way or another but i think it's something that you pay a little bit of attention to as you continue to evaluate candidates. >> oh, we'll pay attention to it but i just don't think -- the biggest mistake is not admitting it. should have laughed it off saying this was a hoax. i fooled a bunch of reporters. i think he did get in a little problem there but i think the story and the substance of itself will not be remembered in a week from now. >> right. >> on to the next big trump-clinton story. >> right. it seems like, you know, we crossed a corner every day with something new and this comes on
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top of trump's former butler writing on facebook that obama should be killed and the campaign saying it was accidentally added a white nationalic delegate to the roster. does this give republicans on the fence pause? is this why they're so nervous worried about what will happen next? >> absolutely. i mean, it seems as though there is another one mindfield after another and trump does a good job of navigating the mine fields making the bay through and there is a lot of donor who is are still sitting on the sidelines and waiting to decide whether or not it's -- we're gong to see a calmer donald trump, someone who is more of the donald trump of yesterday on capitol hill. people are a little bit worried of putting their names on checks just yet. there's still a lot of people kind of waiting the see the next thing that's going to roll out and i don't think that these stories are helpful to him
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because there's always another chapter or another sort of sensational thing from his background that maybe has been written about before but then is resurfacing now and causing people to think about it. >> gloria, on that note, is that why in your view rank and file republicans, republican leadership like paul ryan reticent to throw the support behind because no matter what happens here on out what he says, does, they have to own it throwing support behind him? >> i don't think even if ryan were to endorse trump i don't think he owns him, you know, to use your words. i think paul ryan is enough of an entity unto himself. and, you know, paul ryan's objections to donald trump partly i'm told are tone but also partly are driven by issues. right? and are driven by the fact that the issues on paul ryan's agenda
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that he cares about very deeply are issues that trump has not paid an awful lot of attention to, such as the federal deficit, entitlement reform, et cetera. ryan's on a different page on immigration and trade, for example. so i think all of these things wrapped in together, sure, but i think ryan even if he were to endorse him, a leader of the party, they want to win down ticket and do what's best for the republican party but i think given what ryan has said in the past it will be easier for him to say, look, i don't agree with him on this and that. but these are the general areas the republican party does agree on. and he's got to get his people re-elected. >> and also -- >> let's listen -- >> go ahead. >> i think it gets to the issue with trump that he is seen unknowable. you know? it's very hard to define him.
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he, you know, in some cases says one thing, a couple of months ago and then, for example, with the muslim ban this week saying that he didn't say it. i mean, it's just hard to pin down exactly who this guy is and so to have a story like "the post" story raises more questions. >> let's listen to what he said about the taxes and the muslim ban. >> it's a routine audit. i want to get through the audit first. there are many presidents that have not shown their tax returns. >> every single nominee since 1976 has released their tax -- >> before 1976 people didn't do it. it was a secret thing. i don't want it to be secret but i want to finish the audit. >> what is your tax rate? >> it is none of your business. i fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. i'm not the president right now. so anything i suggest is really a suggestion. and if i were president i'd put in legislation and do what i have to do. i'm not softening my stance at all and always flexible on
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issues. >> all right. there you heard it. everything is a suggestion. david, what do you make of that? >> well look. i think the policy stuff is where he is more vulnerable and interesting to see if the hard core supporters, people coming out in droves for him by the thousands because of this, because of the muslim ban that he called for whether they see him wavering and the trip to washington and the meetings with establishment figures doesn't wear well with them. i think that is what we're going to have to watch here with trump. this is the most malleable candidate that we have, i mean, in decades. this is a guy who flips positions, changes his mind in a week and just puts his hands up. i think that is the problem that he's going to face in unifying the republican party because we don't know where he is on these big questions, on tax reform, on foreign policy, because he can change his positions so quickly and he's gotten away with it.
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i think now in a general election atmosphere and that will change. >> that's the problem that he faces with the republican establishment and with conservatives because they want a candidate who is predictablee. they want to know where he stands but with his voters, i don't think they really care. i think he's a general message candidate to his own voters and what they see -- >> but if he backs off that muslim ban, do his voter s star to care? >> 70% of -- i don't know the answer to that. nor do you. but 70% of republican voters are in favor of the temporary ban on muslims. and while we will have to see but it's part and parcel of a message that he's got that he is a strong candidate, this he's a leader, that he says what he believes.
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>> right. >> and, you know, they're voting for him because of his larger message and i think, you know, they will take a look at his shifting positions and say, oh, he's just doing that to get along with those guys but he'll really do what he wants once he gets in office. >> all right. we will have to wait and see. no doubt an interesting few months ahead of us. gloria, david, maeve, thank you. >> sure. >> thank you. coming up, the clinton foundation facing tough questions amid allegations it steered millions of dollars to a company owned by friends of the family. president obama's former defense chief called donald trump a risk to america. general david petraeus speaking out about the man in line to win the republican nomination. george zimmerman wants to sell the gun he used to shoot and kill trayvon martin. [woodworker] i live in the fine details.
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the clinton foundation playing defense today denying claims it steered millionings of dollars to a company owned by friends of the family and now the powerful charity is bringing in a watchdog to try to put an end to questions about transparency. it's all in response to a "wall street journal" report that the clinton global initiative arranged for private money to go to a clean air energy owned by close friends of the clintons. the clintons deny any laws were broken. >> going to the report -- did the cgi break the law? >> no. i haven't had a chance to read it carefully but i think my foundation is answering it. >> do you deny -- >> oh god yes. >> cnn money correspondent has been looking into this story for us and joining mess now live
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with more. christina? >> i think it's important to point out that the nature of this allegation is very different than prior questions about the clinton foundation. in the past, several reports mainly by conservative -- by the conservative press have suggested the foundation took money from rogue regimes to curry favor with the u.s. while hillary was the secretary of state. as you mentioned, this story alleges they arrange a donation from a private individual to a for-profit company owned by clinton friends. by the way, charity rules say you're not allowed to funnel money into causes or missions to result in a personal gain. now, the clinton foundation response is very simple. most people don't understand the way cgi works. it's a middleman. it is not accepting the money directly. it's only linking up the two sides of the deal and because the foundation isn't actually
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handling the money, it's sometimes connects for-profit companies with donors who think that approach is the best way to solve complicated problems like the one we're talking about which is climate change and in a an official response, same thing that former president said, the foundation, it's not breaking any laws. and the problem here is though because i've been reporting on the clinton foundation for a couple of weeks all of this creates perspect problems for the foundation. why is this incredibly powerful couple putting itself at the middle of all of these dealings? it potentially creates the appearance of a conflict. >> which then can extend to hillary clinton. and you have also learned through the course of your investigation gaiting, reporting, that a well-known charity watchdog may be changing the stance on the foundation. why now? >> yeah. it's called charity navigator and since 2014 it hasn't raided
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the foundation. take a listen. >> there was a decision made that we would not rate the foundation and no one's actually questioned this. >> no one's questioned that until -- when? >> until this discussion. >> no one's called you about this before? >> no one's asked me to rate the clinton foundation. >> now, the conservative press has pointed to the absence of a rating from charity navigator as a piece of evidence that the foundation has something to hide and they said the clinton foundation changed its structure making it hard to do a historical comparison. but now the two sides, clinton foundation and charity navigator, are trying to make it work. they're trying to make a rating possible. we'll have to just see if it actually happens but i'll stay on it. >> of course. and it's all because you're asking the right questions. thank you very much for bringing
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us that report. we appreciate it. up next on this friday, not one but two former cia chiefs come out against donald trump's foreign policy agenda. panetta calling the positions crazy. we'll debate live up next.
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well, u.s. foreign policy veterans not mincing words coming to their disdain for trmp's plans, among them leon panetta, president obama's former u.s. secretary of defense and bill clinton's chief of staff. on cnn, he's ripping trump's
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lack of experience. take a listen. >> trump is talking about the world in a way that takes us back to the 1930s. i mean, he is talking almost isolationism, america first. he is talking about distributing a-bombs around the world. >> but you know people better. >> those are crazy positions. >> i've known you my whole life. you know people as well as you know anything you've done and you know people are responding what he's tapping into about their fear. >> absolutely. >> we can be attacked at home. isis seems to get stronger by the second. everything that we seem to have been done is counter productive. nato seems to have become a toy for putin ignoring the united states might. trump says he's strong and clinton's been the one who's there as everything went wrong. how do you beat that case? >> the reality is what we have to look at now is who's going to be the next president of the united states? and there are two tests that president's going to face. number one is to break the
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gridlock in washington and to govern. get some things done. there is anger and frustration about the failure to do that. second thing is provide world leadership in a very troubled world, somebody who understands the world, who understands the threats in the world and is prepared to deal with that. hillary clinton has that experience and that capability and trump does not. >> all right. let's bring in boris epstein, strategist and trump supporter and jamie weinstein for the daily caller. thank you for coming on. jamie, start with you. the critic isn't surprising, leon panetta. how will trump counter this? >> well, it's going or the very hard to counter it i think. i mean, basically it's a sound bite foreign policy, a way to control the news cycles and not really thought out the policy and doesn't know very much about the world. and panetta is right to the extent that trump has a policy and that is to a very limited extent to bring the bases from
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around the world from korea, from japan, leave nato, and that's going to dismantle the national security infrastructure we built up since world war ii and taking that down, once you remove it from around the world, it is not easy to put back if you realize it was a tremendous mistake as i think it would be. >> and now, david petraeus is weighing in, someone who trump has praised. he wrote this piece in "the washington post" and while not using trump's name he lays out some of trump's rhetoric and including proposed ban on muslims that trump walked back yesterday it seems and writes those that flirt with hate speech against muslim realize they're playing into the hands of al qaeda and the islamic state. boris, this is david petraeus, again, trump is a big fan of him. what do you have to say what petraeus writes? >> well, as far as general petraeus goes, greatly respected based on the experience, he is not wrong. hate speech does not have a
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place in foreign policy but taking a welcome at the national security, and reassessing about how we keep us safe, what happened in belgium and paris, all over europe does not happen here, does have a place in our national security so there's no disagreement between what david pa tray is saying and donald trump is proposing. as far as panetta goes, he was hillary clinton's chief of staff. let's not trusting the word of a liberal democrat about the donald trump who now is the leading candidate to be president of the united states of america. as far as donald trump's foreign policy goes, he is specific of what he's to posing and does understand it and the proposals in terms of making sure our allies spend more than 1% of the gdp on national security are smart and they will benefit america in the long term. >> jamie, you're holding back a smile and laughing. what is going on? what are you thinking? >> well, let's talk about the muslim ban. that's a serious provocative proposal. i'm not saying it's totally out of bounds but if someone proposes it, have it well thought out.
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when donald trump proposed this, this is another example of again just a news cycle -- >> what are you supporting? >> but let me finish, boris. >> i'm just interestinged in wh you're supporting. >> i'm going to finish my statement. he backed away from that a then how would you implement this? he says when they get to the border ask if you're a muslim or not. that's a genius strategy. no one can get around the asking question model. no policy advisers asked about putting this in place. >> do you know that for a fact? >> -- for donald trump. >> jamie, who is -- he didn't answer who's supporting. as far as the pause on muslims entering united states goes, donald trump's been very clear, for months now, that he's proposing a pause. and a reassessment of how to deal with immigration. i don't think anybody out there would not say we have a porous
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border allowing for san bernardino attacks to occur. and to say that this is useless discussion is very short minded and does not have a view on the national security of our country. again, i don't know who jamie's supporting for president but hillary clinton is a failure of national security. her term as secretary of state was a disaster. china, russia, the middle east worse for us since she's been involved in government. and as far as leon panetta goes, again, since secretary of defense, the country is worse off. >> let me agree with you, boris. >> jamie, now let me finish. panetta was secretary of staff to bill clinton and bill clinton had zero foreign policy or national security experience before becoming president. panetta there -- >> boris -- >> being quite a bit short minded on how he approaches his own comments. >> jamie? >> boris, let me agree. i totally agree with you on hillary clinton.
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she was a disaster as secretary of state. one of the leading people going to libya. i don't have anything nice to say about secretary clinton's time as secretary of state. the problem is the republicans nominated someone who's even more out there, who wants to dismantle the national -- >> i don't know where you stand. jamie, you are writing for the daily caller. i appreciate you're a republican. which is a great organization. tucker carlson is a friend and supporting somebody who's a republican. if it's not donald trump, who would it be? >> quickly, jamie. >> i don't support people just based on parties. my problem is donald trump is proposed things more outlandish. >> we have two choices now. trump or hillary. you have to choose one. >> much more threatening to the united states. >> all right. >> jamie's on the sidelines throwing bombs, not useful. >> we have to leave it there. interestinging discussion nonetheless. thank you. >> thanks so much, pam. and up next on this friday,
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critics say that just released federal guidelines on transgender students are government overreach but my next guest said they're way overdue saying public schools should let
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the kids use the bathroom of the gender they identify with. today texas's lieutenant governor spoke against the new guidelines. >> i'm telling all the superintendents in texas right now, you have about three weeks left of the school year. do not enact this policy. 70% to 80% of the people in your school district don't want it. don't be black maimed by the federal government. we'll work through this. >> so take a look. this is a photo of a transgendered student named cory mason and gained a lot of attention when a photographer speaking out against the controversial north carolina law pointed out that because she was born a boy cory would have to use a men's bathroom in that boy and cory and her mother join me. cory, i want to go to you first to this picture. why do you want people to see it? why is that so important to you,
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cory? >> i think it's really important so that there's other people that do see it and other people that can get inspired by it. >> and what do you think, erica? because this picture and the point that it's making has not come without controversy and some mean comments directed at your daughter. what is your reaction to it? why do you think it's so important to be out there? >> i think it's important to be out there because it shows people the face of a transgendered child and person and it shows them they're just like any other person. they're no different. she looks like a -- she looks like a little girl and people can see that and have a face to put with it and understand maybe a little bit better the children that are being harmed by these bills and laws proposed. >> and on that note, the obama administration came out with this directive today to schools saying that they should allow
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students use the bathroom of the gender that they believe that they are. this is something you've been fighting for, for a long time, and you say it's way overdue. >> it is. i believe it's way overdue and just so grateful that the obama administration is not allowing discrimination of transgendered children in schools bah they're children to use the bathroom. they're not there to hurt anyone. >> and on that note, i want to go to some sound we have. you may remember when ted cruz spoke out. he was running against donald trump at the time and spoke out about this issue saying that the law, you know, basically puts people in harm's way. let's take a listen. >> donald, on television this morning, said, gosh, he thought that men should be able to go in to the girls bathroom if they want to. now, let me ask you.
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have we gone stark raving nuts? i'm the father of two little girls. here is basic common sense. grown adult men, strangers, should not be alone in a bathroom with little girls. >> erica, before i get to you, cory, erica, what is your reaction? >> infuriates me. it's so ridiculous. if there's a predator to go into a bathroom, it doesn't matter what the sign says. >> and, i want to talk to you, cory, about your personal experiences. how is your school handled these issues so far? have you had to deal with any bullying? >> yeah. actually. but the school's actually letting me use the female bathrooms. >> and how has that made a difference for you? >> it makes a difference because it makes me feel more safe.
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it makes me more -- i don't know how to say it. it makes me more safe and less scared to just be able to use the bathroom that i want to use. >> all right. that sums it up. thank you so much for coming on. we really, really appreciate it. >> thank you. and up next on this friday, george zimmerman tries to auction the gun that killed trayvon martin. i'll get reaction to this story from united shades of america host w. kamau bell.
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george zimmerman right now is auctioning off the gun he used
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to kill 17-year-old trayvon martin. zimmerman of course is the former neighborhood watchman acquitted in the teen's 2012 death. his attempt to profit off the weapon has ignited major backlash as you can imagine. zimmerman's first attempt to auction the weapon online shut down and then today a second website expressed condolences. cnn united shades of america host w. kamau bell joins me now. zimmerman described the gun as a piece of american history. what was your first reaction when you learned about this auction? >> well, i mean, the first thing i would -- one time i'm going to agree with george zimmerman. how define that history is different. i think that it's a pretty horrible thing to do, whether or not you think you're right in the murder of trayvon martin which i don't think he was right, to auction off the gun as a way to make money for yourself is a pretty distasteful thing to do and i'd like to thank the
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people who flooded those websites who put up fake auction bids, specifically racist mcshoot face, who sort of ruined the idea and turned it into a spectacle and i think it is a spectacle. >> let's turn to this sunday where you are a new episode airing about community policing. i want to take a look at what you found in camden, new jersey. >> so this is the shooting range? >> yes, sir. >> this is where you guys come down here and practice and keep your skills tight and all that? >> pretty much. >> the threat is officially stopped. >> wow. now, in the news a lot of times people ask why didn't the cops shoot him in the leg and wound him and could be alive. so tell me why it's center mass. >> one word, i'll explain it, hollywood. unfortunately, we are not all bruce willis and denzel washington in real life. going to shoot for the arm or for the leg, if he moves it might go in the become and shoot
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baby suzie and we don't want this. >> you're police officers but you're also black dudes and i'm a black >> so talk about the relationship between the black community and the police department, because right now, nationally that relationship seems like it's in a crisis. >> there's a belief that black people have something to worry about while being policed. >> a lot of incidents don't have to happen based on what i know and see and hear. a lot of these incidents don't have to occur if you do exactly what you're told to do. take your hands out of your pocket, it's a safety issue. follow the directions, even if you don't agree with it, follow it. >> camden is considered one of the most dangerous cities in the u.s. what did you consider while walking the beat with the local police department? >> they are trying to do this thing, try to reinstitute community policing where the police actually walk the beat
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and get to know people. it was a year ago, so maybe it's changed, but they are still getting to know people and right now people are not sure they want to know the police. the national crisis, especially in camden, people aren't used to people asking them how their day is going, unless it's inroads into people arresting them. >> i was at a roundtable briefing with director of fbi, james comey, and he said that these cases are causing some police officers to marginally pull back in doing their job, like going to check out a situation at 2:00 in the morning. he said that the perception is that some of the community members aren't coming forward to give police tips. did they talk about that at all? >> i mean, yeah. we definitely talked about the viral videos. i don't really -- i hate to disagree with somebody from the fbi because it's probably going to put me on a list, but it's given us more information in the
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black community. we've always known there's been a problem with the police and black community. the people who they think are not giving them tips weren't giving them tips already because a lot of people don't trust the black community in general. >> to be clear, he did say the screw scrutiny of the police was good but in just talking to people, he got a sense that people have been pulling back. kamael bell, i look forward to seeing this sunday night. "united shades of america." 10:00 p.m. eastern on sunday. up next, incredible dash cam video as two police officers run towards a burning car. you'll see them reunited with the man that they pulled out alive. you both have a
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well, san diego is one of the wealthiest cities in the united states, but less than an hour away in the outskirts of tijuana, mexico, people are living in poverty with no running water. that's where this cnn's hero steps in. >> it's important to remember that these families that we're helping in mexico are our neighbors. they are just right across the border. it's night and day the difference. we are helping the communities come together and we are teaching them that there is love in the world, that other people do care about them. >> to see how paula can change an entire family's life in one day, go to cnnheroes.com. speaking of heroes, two
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police officers say they were just doing their jobs when they raced towards a burning car. their quick thinking saved a man's life. >> car on fire. >> that's cody fields, the montgomery county, maryland, police officer who has been dispatched to car crashes many times before but this was a first. >> what did you say in your head or out loud when you pulled up? >> i hope there's not somebody inside. >> reporter: but there was. a 34-year-old man who had fallen asleep and crashed along the concrete barrier of busy interstate 495. >> not conscious right now or alert. >> reporter: your heart must have been pounding. >> yes. >> reporter: officer fields would soon get some help from a veteran officer. >> at one point the fire was coming up from underneath and hitting the officer's legs and
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that's when i said we've got to go now or we're going to be in trouble. we never took a soothe belt off. >> we didn't cut it. >> we ended up pulling him out of it somehow. >> reporter: did you know that he was going to live? >> i had no idea. he was barely breathing when i pulled him out. >> miraculously, neither officer was burned. they realized the dash cam recorded the harrowing rescue. >> reporter: when you saw that video, what were you thinking? >> wow, was that us? it was almost unbelievable that we did that. >> reporter: they never shared this video with their superiors. it was a colleague who later put in a request that they be honored for their heroism and they were in march. they shook the hand of the man they saved for the first time. >> when you first met the officers, what did you say to them? >> thank you. they made it seem like it was no
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big deal. >> reporter: like they were doing their job? >> yeah. their job meant the world to me. >> reporter: you get that call again in the future, a car burning and possibly somebody inside, what is the thought that goes through your head? >> i hope i have officer nesbit with me. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. >> thanks, pamela. how close we could have been to first lady. and bragging about donald trump? and claiming how the material girl had the lots for him. the tape everyone is talking about today and donald trump's reaction to it. the long lines, the freakout, the laptop you forgot to take out of your bag. passengers telling tsa, please