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big deal. >> reporter: like they were doing their job? >> yeah. their job meant the world to me. >> reporter: you get that call again in the future, a car burning and possibly somebody inside, what is the thought that goes through your head? >> i hope i have officer nesbit with me. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. >> thanks, pamela. how close we could have been to first lady. and bragging about donald trump? and claiming how the material girl had the lots for him. the tape everyone is talking about today and donald trump's reaction to it. the long lines, the freakout, the laptop you forgot to take out of your bag. passengers telling tsa, please remove your shoes so we can hold
your feet to the fire. plus, the white house leaping into a further national debate telling schools to let transgender boys and girls pick the restroom they choose or pay the price. welcome to "the lead." i'm john berman and in for jake tapper today. the view that donald trump's taxes are not anyone's business or a flat-out strange recording that trump used to pretend to be a different person to play the part of his own publicist. chief political correspondent dana bash is joining us now. trump had a lot to accomplish this week. the question is, did he? >> he seemed to. republicans are ending this week less divided than one week ago
but there were several notes that didn't exactly hit the way republican leaders would have preferred. >> reporter: even as republican leaders are getting more comfortable with donald trump, there are reminders that the billionaire, the top of their ticket, makes more miles of unchartered political terrain, like his refusal, so far, to release his tax returns. >> what is your tax rate? >> it's none of your business. you'll see it when i release. i fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. >> reporter: the last gop nominee, mitt romney, dragged his own feet on disclosing his tax returns but eventually relented. today, a republican party spokesperson told cnn it's up to trump but -- >> mr. trump has to make a decision sooner rather than later about whether to release his tax returns. >> reporter: trump seemed to soften his stance on muslims
before meeting with republican leaders who oppose it. today he insisted he would push the muslim ban as president. >> i'm not the president right now. anything i suggest is really a suggestion and if i were president, i'd put in legislation and do whatever i have to do. >> reporter: when a former long-time trump butler argued president obama, "should have been taken out by our military and shot as an enemy agent," trump acted fast saying through a spokeswoman, we totally and completely disavow the horrible statements made by him regarding the president. ♪ and how a guy like trump is not a traditional politician, newly released recordings that swirled about trump from the '90s.
that john miller was really trump pretending to be his own spokesperson when dealing with reporters about his business dealings or divorces. he's always treated her well and treated his wife well. >> reporter: today, trump denied that was him. >> i have many, many people trying to imitate my voice and you can imagine that. this sounds like one of the many scams. doesn't sound like me. >> and the trump campaign is still working, certainly beginning to do so, with the republican national committee to meld resources for the general election. that does mean for the first time trump will have to care just a bit what donors think and my understanding in talking to sources is that several are concerned about his tax returns, both his refusal to release them and then what's in them once he does. john?
>> nothing so fickle as a donor and never shy about sharing their opinions. dana bash, thank you so much. i want to zero in on the recorded phone calls with "people" magazine, the voice inflection and the tone. a lot of people say it sounds like donald trump but the businessman, you just heard it, he insists it is not. drew griffin looked into this recorded call. drew, what have you learned? >> john, if this is not him, an audio expert we talked to this afternoon said it's a masterful job of sounding almost exactly like him. the fact is, the secret public relations man in donald trump's past may have never been a real secret. the ream amazing story of donald trump's old spokesman may be that it's been such an open secret for so long that it's hard to believe that anyone is still questioning it. >> what is your name? >> john miller. >> it was back in the 1980s when
the flashy new york native needed to get news out. the newspaper reports it was common knowledge among new york reporters that trump just assumed a different name and handled the media calls himself, like this call from reporter sue at "people" magazine concerning his breakup with marla maples. >> what kind of comment is that? >> well, it just that he really decided that he wasn't -- he didn't want to make a commit. that he is coming out of a marriage and he thought it was too soon to make any commitment. >> so what is going to happen with she being asked to leave or is she going to be allowed to stay? >> well, he treats everybody well, you know, you don't know him. have you met him?
>> yes. >> he's a good guy. he doesn't have a lot of options and frankly he gets called by everybody. he gets called by everybody in the book in terms of women. >> reporter: if that john miller sounds like trump, it's because audio forensic expert tom owen says, in his opinion, it is. >> i can conclude with a fair degree of scientific certainty that it is donald trump's voice. >> and then in the 1990s on ""larry king live,"" he couldn't use his bio metric analysis that he says would be absolutely certain, but based on pitch, tone, cadence and expertise, john miller and donald trump are one in the same. >> yes, it's my opinion that it's donald trump's voice. >> reporter: and admitted under
oath in a 1990 court testimony, "i believe on occasion i've used that name." trump was confronted with the taped phone call and "the washington post" story on friday's "today" show. >> no, i don't think -- i don't know anything about it. you're telling me about it for the first time and it doesn't sound like my voice at all. i have many, many people trying to imitate my voice and you can imagine that and this sounds like one of the scams, one of the many scams. it doesn't sound like me. >> john, why would he use fake names and fake public relations spokespersons in the first place? it was a way to deliver his tough positions on real estate deals, failures or even relationships without getting his hands dirty. and according to one trump biographer, it's a trick he may have learned from his dad fred trump who was also known in the new york real estate press as mr. green. john? >> one fewer spokesperson you have to hire, i suppose. drew griffin, thanks so much.
i want to talk more about this right now with political commentator amanda commentator and mark lamont hill and maggie. you were a young reporter but you've covered things going on in new york for some time. >> these stories have been out there. thanks for calling me young. he reportedly said under oath that he may have on occasion used one of these names. this is not a surprise to people around new york, as was said before. it's amazing that this hasn't come up more. this might be a surprise to the 100 million voters or so who haven't taken part in either party primary and are just learning more about donald trump. it's a reminder that he comes from this world of new york real estate, you know, which has a nexus with celebrity and culture and may not seem so normal outside of it and it's hard to
explain, he says it's not him, your expert suggests it was him. if it was him, there's probably a lot to be gained by just saying, yes, it was me, it was a prank or how i did things and then move on but he's now going to get asked about this again. >> if it was him, he said it wasn't and then he's going to have to answer for why he said it wasn't him, which is going to be interesting. >> it's going to be difficult to definitively prove that it wasn't him but it certainly sounds like him by the tone of the voice and the way the person on the phone talked. >> amanda, you think it could be an issue going beyond whether or not it was him. you think the fact that he did this even though it was decades ago could be damaging. >> yes. because if he lied about it, he misrepresented himself to the press for improving his public image as it pertains to women. this has direct application today to how donald trump conducts himself as a public figure. it's not necessarily the act. it's the cover-up and the lying
and it would be easy for him to say, hey, here's joe miller, the guy i hired as my pr guy. he sounds just like me. he hasn't done that yet. i think he's going to have to admit that it was him and then explain why he would continually misrepresent himself to the press for the purpose of improving public image and why he felt so compelled to do this to clear up questions about his marriage. we talk all the time about the way he treats women and so i don't think this is a subject he wants to address but he's opened the door wide open. >> devil's advocate here, mark lamont hill, this was the new york tabloid world of the 1990s, the wacky daffy tabloid pages, page 6 and whatnot. what damage was done in p pretending to be a flack. >> i think that no damage is really done by this. nobody really cares.
i wish this were a bigger deal. if anything, it speaks to trump's narcissism. he could have hired a publicist and told him what to say but he wanted to manipulate the press. this feels like a quintessential trump thing to do. what is more damaging, and amanda is right, he got caught in the moment and instead of saying i goofed, it was chief media, meant nothing to me, i wasn't a politician back then, instead of just saying that, he doubles down on the lie and he's caught in this web of lies that only will get more and more expanded when we prove there's no person named mr. miller. >> but will that even affect him right now? i want to play some sound which is interesting given that it comes from some time ago of john miller, whoever john miller might be, talking about how the press treats donald trump, whoever that might be. listen. >> i've never seen somebody
immune to the bad press four months ago and now he's starting to get good press. i don't know what you would call this, big press, but i've never seen somebody so immune to it and actually thrive on the bad press initially. >> john miller has a pretty combination of what donald trump is like right there. he's immune to bad press and always gets big press. some people may say it's the donald trump of today. >> i do agree with mark, i don't think this in and of itself is not going to damage him. it's a weird story but i think in the realm of things that you hear about trump, i think it will probably slide off. you do wonder how many other recordings exist in the new york tabloid world or from "people" magazine. to be fair to trump, people who work for trump often sound a lot like trump in terms of the things that they say. they tend to mimic his cadence and language. that in and of itself is not a
huge difference. >> all right. will not hurt trump or hurt people that support trump. people are saying that about a great many other issues affecting trump. much more to talk about specifically on that front. namely, new questions on other news and politics. new questions about the clinton foundation and where it allegedly steered millions of dollars. now former president bill clinton is responding. that's next. flap the color of our bottle. to help spread the word, we made t-shirts!
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asked specifically if he denied if any law was broken and he said oh, yes. they always knew the clinton foundation was going to come back. that was a controversy last year in terms of how it received its money from wealthy donors, et cetera. so now it's coming back. but they say that this specific company, it's called impact investing, that they are investing in a new energy company here to try and do good things, help people insulate their houses. now, the question is, this company has not succeeded. it's essentially defunct or has a new mission here. there's no specific allegation that any laws were broken here. it's one of those things. so much money floating around from so many donors, it does raise the question, you know, exactly this foundation, is it going to be a problem politically for secretary
clinton? and certainly donald trump seized on it today. >> what did he say about it today? >> he went after it specifically. let's listen to sound that i think we have this morning from "fox & friends." this is what he said. >> it's a bombshell. there's no doubt about it. i assume you put the word charity in quotes? >> he said right there, the word "charity" should have been in quotes for the clinton charity. look, donald trump is going to keep going after this. he's specifically going after one person who was after one of the investors who is a close friend of the clintons. he raised the questions this morning, how close of a friend she actually is here. jake, this is just the opening volley of what is a new chapter in this campaign as we have donald trump's audiotapes from 25 years ago and 24 years of new material here since bill clinton was elected that is going to be chewed a ever again and again and again. >> indeed. jeff zeleny, thank you so much. amanda carpenter, mark lamont
hill and maggie haberman. there's an issue of transparency that relates to both campaigns, with the clinton foundation and questions being asked about what money went where and to whom and then transparency when it comes to donald trump and his taxes, will he release his tax returns? he says no. the irs says that's crazy. there's no problem at all. if there is this transparency battle going on right now, does either candidate win? >> i think the voters are going to lose, quite frankly. both candidates have problems and a reluctance to make what i think are proper financial disclosures to the public, so the voters can see how these candidates have conducted their business in their personal lives throughout their careers. but you kind of have this standoff between both top candidates if they both refuse to do it. donald trump is going to say i'm not going to release my tax returns and the clintons say i'm not going to be forthcoming
about the clinton global foundation and how can either candidate make a clean argument against the other? they are not going to bring it up against each other and voters and reporters can continue to badger the candidates to shame them into doing it but there is nothing that will make them do it. voters deserve better. >> mark, i heard a grunt in the air. what was that for? >> i don't think they are apples to apples. i don't think the clintons said we're not going to be transparent about the financials of the foundation whereas the donald trump has said i'm not going to release the tax records. while donald trump may not be forthcoming with his taxes, it's not likely that he's doing anything legal, it may compromise his conservative bona fide and may be doing too much donations to something like planned parenthood.
but again, let's be clear, the clintons have not been determined to do anything wrong and i don't want to suggest that they have. >> one thing with the transparency of hillary clinton, it doesn't have just to do with the global foundation. it goes to her e-mails and contributions to goldman sachs. there is a large transparency issue with hillary clinton that extends far beyond that. >> i want to talk about taxes for a minute of donald trump. he changed his tone today with george stephanopoulos. he's been saying i want to release them but i'm not going to do it while i am being audited. george asked him what is your affected tax rate and donald trump said none of your business. some would say he even snapped. "none of your business." that's an answer that i could see being what some voters might care about. they seem to care. some voters cared about mitt
romney's effective tax rate. >> i think it reminded me a lot of 2001 when mike bloomberg was running for mayor in new york city and they were all sitting elected officials and democrats, why has everybody else released their taxes and you haven't and bloomberg's response was, they don't make anything. i'm very wealthy and they don't need to see it. trump's response was not totally dissimilar. last year he said he was thinking about it and mentioned the audit for the first time this year. it's certainly possible that he's being audited and a lot of tax experts said they would probably give the similar advice but he's not indicated in that interview with george steve testify to indicate stephanopoulos may want to know. and, you know, it's an interesting view. it is not one that has
historically been taken by presidential candidates. it is one that i think is for voters, again, he's facing a whole new swath of voters within his party who didn't vote for him and then outside the party, they are going to take all of these pieces and form an opinion. while i think the information could be problematic for the clintons, there's been a constant drip-drip of that for years now. voters are still learning much more about donald trump. >> they are. and they are learning that sometimes his language lags and the temporary ban of muslims coming to the united states since december this has been a plan, a proposal. some might say a campaign promise. but just over the last two days he said, no it's a suggestion. and he said i'm flexible on all things. i suppose there could be a difference between a campaign pledge and a suggestion? is that something voters are going to have to get used to,
one? and, two, do voters really care? >> well, we asked the question, will this hurt them? do voters care? all of these things add up to a larger question eventually. and these are big questions that voters ask when they are choosing a candidate. can you trust this person? can you count on what they are saying to be true? i think in so many of these instances donald trump is showing voters that maybe you can't. you don't know where he's going to come down on any given issue. it won't be a matter of will this particular issue break donald trump's candidacy but how much of this are voters willing to tolerate? >> mark, one thing is, though, on some of these positions, say, the ban on muslims, social security, there are other positions where he seems to be shifting a little bit saying he's flexible and everything is negotiable. he's shifting in a way that might be more appealing to nonrepublican primary voters to people in the middle or even
democrats. should that be a concern to the democrats who will run against him in the fall? >> it should be a concern to everybody, to democrats running against him because if he can get a populist appeal, particularly where the democratic economic policies -- if you go to pennsylvania or ohio where people have had a tough economic time, you say, look, give me a shot and i'm willing to be flexible on social security taxes, et cetera, he may get some votes there. republicans should also be uneasy because donald trump doesn't handle world view. he wants to run the world and win an election which means he will do whatever he needs to do and the republican line seems to be a starter line to the presidency. even if he makes back door promises on a range of economic issues domestically, he can make promises that he's a conservative now and in six months, if he's president, he'll do something very different. republicans should be very uneasy with who they are electing and democrats should be very uneasy about who they are
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withering critic to say that they are taking action. >> you want to keep passengers moving and keep passengers safe. >> it's just a huge fail in government program and it will fail. >> reporter: on capitol hill and heading into the busy summer travel season, there is a ten-point plan to reduce the delays including the carry-on bags and more officers and bomb-sniffing dogs and a greater emphasis on the precheck program. in short, more of everything that they have pushed before. >> why should anyone believe that this one will work? >> because we are, in fact, bringing on more tsos. we are, in fact, bringing on more tso overtime and we are, in fact, investing in more canines, technology. >> reporter: watching it all,
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welcome back. in our national lead, the obama administration sending a clear message to all public schools across the nation, let transgender students use the bathroom of their choice or else. the guidance issued today not only requires schools to actively enforce the anti-discrimination policy but also hints that schools which do not comply could put their federal funding at risk. martin savidge is joining us. this guidance doesn't carry the force of law exactly. the question is, will the schools implement these guidelines? >> that probably depends on the state at which the schools are located. what i mean by that, these guidelines were only issued this morning. here in the south especially, the reaction has been fast and furious. the u.s. departments of education and justice went to
13,500 public school districts across the country. directing them to allow transgender students to use bathrooms matching their gender identity. schools have a responsibility to provide a safe and nondiscriminatory environment for all students, the letter says, including transgender students. though the guidance has no legal weight, it contains an implicit threat, districts could lead federal funds or face lawsuits if they don't comply. >> this goes against the values of so many people. it has nothing to do with anyone being against a transgender child. >> reporter: in a number of states, it's triggering outrage. the lieutenant governor of texas accusing the obama administration of social engineering and telling texas superintendents not to implement the guidelines. >> he can keep his 30 pieces of silver. we will not yield to blackmail
from the president of the united states. >> reporter: the administration is already involved in a legal standoff with north carolina over its so-called bathroom law, requiring transgender individuals to use the bathroom according to their sex listed on their birth certificate. >> we believe a court rather than a federal agency should tell our state, our nation and employers across the country what the law requires. >> reporter: refusing to back down, north carolina's government is suing the federal government which turned around and sued right back calling the state's law discriminatory. >> it was not so very long ago that states, including north carolina, had other signs above restrooms, water fountains and on public accommodations, keeping people out based on a distinction without a difference. >> reporter: for many school districts, these guidelines come as the school year is ending but appear to be triggering a battle
that is just beginning. the lieutenant governor said if they have to, they will forego all federal funding. they are serious about this and point out that most of the money they get from the federal government for their school program goes to lunches and meals for disadvantaged children. meaning that those who will suffer the most are those that can afford tt least. >> you get the sense this is just the beginning of the back and forth and legal battles. martin savidge, thanks so much. a frightening first as the zika epidemic spreads. what doctors in puerto rico found. plus, fresh meat and mcdonald's is changing up the menu to keep up with the burger biz.
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welcome back. time now for our world lead. isis in a state of emergency? the pentagon has uncovered new evidence that the terror group is preparing possibly for a siege in its self-proclaimed capital of raqqah in syria. isis can be seen putting up shields. barbara starr is at the pentagon. what are your sources telling you about this? >> fascinating stuff, john. the pentagon has been watching social media as isis has declared this so-called state of emergency in raqqa. maybe, just maybe, isis is getting a little nervous. what the u.s. has seen, they are telling us, is indications of
isis fighters moving around, of putting up cover shields so aircraft overhead patrolling can't see them and launch air strikes. maybe one of the real first indications isis thinks there can be a siege and isis, maybe just maybe, is getting worried about it all, john. >> what is known about abu bakr baghdadi? >> it's gone so far as that the sources will tell you that they think there's a building in downtown raqqah where he's hiding from knowing that u.s. air strikes can't get to him. the question now is will he get nervous and move around because the issue, of course, is if these guys start moving around, it makes it easier for u.s. air strikes to locate them, pinpoint them and target them. john? >> barbara, if you think back a few years, the entire battle was predicated on the iraqi
government getting it is act together. there have been horrific attacks inside baghdad, bombings and all sorts of chaos there. does the u.s. believe the iraqi government is handling this in the right way now? >> you know, what we have learned today that is that the iraqis are still devoting half of all their military forces to the defense of baghdad amidst all of these horrific attacks. look, this is a massive city. you can't really zip it up. nobody is saying that the attacks won't continue. very sad business, john. >> it is tragic. barbara starr live at the pentagon, thanks so much. all right. this just in, in the health lead, an alarming health line with the zika virus. puerto rico just confirmed its first case of zika-related microcephaly causing babies to be born with abnormally small heads. this is the first case transmitted on u.s. land. the family affected has
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welcome back. our money lead now. mcdonald's has been trying out fresh beef since november in dallas. typically, mcdonald's uses burgers that have been flashed frozen. restaurant have not been advertising the change but they have been asking customers if they are loving it. turning now to a cnn exclusive in our world lead, a disturbing inside look at isis recruitment across belgium. u.s. sources say hundreds of young men have been brainwashed into believing they must wage jihad as part of their muslim faith. in a frightening twist, the recruiters who sent them there have been set free. cnn's sarah mclaughlin has the story. >> reporter: photos from this
boy's 18th birthday, one of his mother's happiest memories before he went to syria. >> we don't know what's happened in syria but we are sure with what's happened when he was here. >> reporter: eight months after that trip, she says her son became radicalized. he sent her a facebook message to let her know he was in syria. then came a chilling phone call. they said, congratulations, your son just died as a martyr and then they hung up. it was horrible. when i heard about his death, i felt like i died myself. he was the happiest of her four children. she didn't know the most dangerous recruitment in belgium had approached her son. they are made up of veteran jihadists and recruiters. some would go on to carry out the terrorist attacks in paris
and brussels. authorities have prosecuted more than 60 recruiters and foreign fighters. one of them was her son. because there's no proof of death, he was still convicted. his recruiters were also declared guilty. as you see here, the judge allowed them to walk free pending their appeal. cnn tracked down one of the recruiters to his home address. this is the neighborhood of one of the recruiters convicted among her son. he called her pleading and wanted to come home and the recruiter said no. we're here to ask him why. we ring the door bell. his mother answers. she screams at us to leave her alone. the recruiter appears and confronts us. his words are not welcoming. he refuses to talk to us on camera. belgian authorities tell cnn they have not notified residents that a convicted jihadist
recruiter is living in their midst. we saw a teenaged boy entering the statement apartment building. the president of the brussels tribunal says in belgium it's not unusual for a criminal to go free while awaiting an appeal if not considered a flight risk. how is it that a convicted member of a terrorist organization sentenced to seven years in prison is allowed to walk free after his trial? >> translator: the judge has said that this man's behavior was good throughout the trial and this decision of the judge needs to be respected. >> reporter: for his mother, the fact that the recruiters are free while she's dead is too much. she says it's as if he has died twice. >> i don't really believe in human justice. but in a god justice. and he will pay. not here but by god. and i just want to tell him that
my son didn't have a sect chance like him. >> reporter: erin mclaughlin, cnn, brussels. >> thanks to erin for that report. that is all for "the lead" few day. i'm john berman and i turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." happening now, trump's truth. new questions about donald trump's relationship with the truth and the presumptive nominee denies posing as his only publicist in telephone calls to reporters. after listening to an extraordinary 1991 recording, an audio specialist tells cnn that's trump. breaking the ice. as trump looks to that you his relationship with the gop, his proposal on banning muslims and says that his tax rate is nobody's business. bin laden's son, he's behind a bone-chilling