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join us once again here monday in "the situation room." until then, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. trump says it wasn't me. the presumptive nominee denies posing as his own publicist and talking himself up. the reporter who broke the story "outfront." donald trump saying his tax rate is none of your business. can he get away with it. trump could win the election, quote, pretty damn easily. we do the math. let's go "outfront." ♪ good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, trump's denial. donald trump denying it's his voice on a recording released today by "the washington post." the audio, a phone conversation between a reporter and a man
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calling himself john miller. a man who claims to be a publicist working for trump. >> what's your name again? >> john miller. >> you work with trump? >> yes. >> the tape reportedly made 25 years ago. many then and now say it's clear the man calling himself john miller is, in fact, donald trump. the caller is talking about trump's latest affair which came shortly after his breakup with marla maples. >> he didn't leave marla. he does things for himself. when he makes the decision, that will be a very lucky woman. off the record he probably thought marla wasn't the right one or whatever. >> trump addressing the audiotape in a phone interview on the "today" show. >> is it you? >> no, i don't think -- i don't know anything about it. you're telling me about it for the first time. it doesn't sound like my voice
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at all. >> sara, silence from the trump campaign today on this issue. silence. >> that's right. aside from donald trump saying that was not his voice on the tape, we've reached out to the trump campaign to say, okay, can you tell us who john miller was? can you prove he ever worked for donald trump. what this is is a story about donald trump that has been fostered for decades in the new york media, in the tabloids but is now getting increased scrutiny now that he's the presumptive gop nominee. in an election season that already seemed unreal, donald trump has trumped himself again. today he's denying that he used to pose as his own spokesman in conversations like this one from 1991. >> marla wants to be back with him. she wants to be with him. he just feels it's too soon. >> what about the ring? >> there was never an engagement ring. >> reporter: the audio reveals the purported trump rep dishing about trump's relationship with
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model and future wife marla maples. discussing his marital inclinations. >> i can tell you this, just off the record, there's no way he gets married without a prenuptial agreement. you understand that. it was painful but worked in the ivana case. somebody who has a lot of options and gets called by everybody. he gets called by everybody in the book, in terms of women. >> reporter: the spokesman calls himself john miller. >> by the way, i'm sort of new here. >> what's is your position? >> i'm sort of in pr. >> reporter: trump is insisting that's not his voice on the tape. >> no it was not me on the phone. it was not me on the phone. it doesn't sound like me on the phone. and it was not me on the phone. and when was this, 25 years ago? >> reporter: but their voices and verbal ticks sound awfully familiar. >> i can tell you this. >> i can tell you this. >> you understand that. >> probably doing as well as anybody. >> i know politics as well as
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anybody. >> i hold up the bible as well as anybody. >> the billionaire businessman's affinity for posing under aliases has been fodder for newspapers and magazines and books. in "never enough" the author says it's a habit that runs in the family. barron was a character out of fred trump's book. in his day fred used the name mr. green to hide his identity. trump admitted in court testimony in 1990 that he's been known to go by john barron. these days, another family member has dibs on the name. barron trump, donald's 10-year-old son. the spokesman drama was just one of trump's testy exchanges today. the other as the billionaire holds his ground on refusing to release his tax return. >> what is your tax rate? >> it's none of your business. you'll see it when i release. but i fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. >> now, erin, while trump was dealing with all these dramas in
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the media, there was some actual campaign work going on in cleveland. this is where his top aides were visiting to begin laying the groundwork for a convention donald trump says wants to be more like a show biz feel and less like the stodgy gop convention we've seen in the past. >> sara, thank you from cleveland. i want to go to drew griffin. you had a chance to speak to yet another reporter who often dealt with trump. she said he made calls like this all the time. >> a couple of reporters. it turns out this has been an open secret and a big joke in new york among the media there. one daily news reporter said back in the '80s and into the '90s this person posing as donald trump wld call with various tips on where he could be found at a club hanging out with very gorgeous woman or donald trump's movements that day trying to get donald trump into the papers. she knew it was trump all along and laughed about it. and then even in 2004 when he started his show "the
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apprentice," the new york daily news tv editor there said he'd get a mysterious call from a guy named john talking about how great the ratings were on the q apprentice and that donald trump was probably the best host there was. >> which either there's humor in this. he did point blank obviously deny it. taking a new level of seriousness to it saying it was not me. if donald trump had somebody working for him named john miller or john barron, it would be pretty easy, right, for them to just tell us, here he is. here's his phone number. >> joking aside, this is where i put on my investigative reporters coreporter s cap and called the campaign and tried to reach his attorney and i said, look. if he's people exist if john barron and john miller exist, certainly you have records of them. let us know where they are, where they do exist and we'll call them and check it out. we've gotten zero call as sara has gotten zero call back from the campaign. this is either true or false.
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right now it's limbo. so we'll just wait and see. >> drew griffin, thank you. i want to go to mark fisher, the senior editor at "the washington post." the one who obtained these tapes. he's writing a book about donald trump. let's start with the basic question. how did you get these tapes, and when did they come into your possession? >> just got them earlier this week. a friend of mine who knew that i was working on the book called me up and said would you be interested in a tape showing donald trump posing as someone else, as his own publicist? and i said, yes, i would. he sent a digitized form of the recording to me. this is a recording that the source -- the original source had gotten from the "people" magazine reporter in 1991 on a microcassette, which was the way reporters recorded conversations in those days. and that sat in the drawer of the source's desk for many years until now. and so when we received it, we
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don't know the name of that source but we did check with the "people" magazine reporter and she confirmed this was the conversation she had with john miller, or donald trump. >> and, of course, all jokes aside, even though donald trump did directly deny this today, "the washington post" actually, you had your team, they were talking to trump, asked him about it again today. what happened in that conversation? >> well, some of our reporters were discussing donald trump's finances with him today for a separate article. and at the end of the conversation, they had a few questions left and they asked him, did you ever employ someone by the name of john miller? at that point the phone line went silent and then dead. and when our reporters called mr. trump's office back, they spoke to his secretary who said, i'm sorry, the line went dead. mr. trump is no longer available. >> so just trying to understand here exactly what happened. when he was -- what you just say there, you know, the hanging up the phone, he was also asked
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about this on nbc this morning. here's how he answered it directly there. >> it was not me on the phone. and it doesn't sound like me on the phone. and it was not me on the phone. and when was this, 25 years ago? >> early '90ss. >> wow. you're going so low as to talk about something that took place 25 years ago about whether or not i made a phone call? i guess you are saying under a presumed name? >> yes, under a presumed name. >> the answer is no. >> mark, has he admitted in depositions to using pseudonyms like he had in the conversation, that was john miller. >> in 1990 he gave a deposition and said he used the name john barron. he uses both john miller and john barron. we've also spoken to at least a half a dozen new york editors and reporters who received calls from donald trump posing as john miller or john barron. in addition, we've spoken to several former executives, high
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ranking executives of the trump organization who told us that they heard they were there in the office when donald trump made calls to news organizations as john barron. >> so they actually did. stay with me. i want to bring in paul ginsburg, forensic audio expert. you've consulted with the fbi, cia and secret service. i want to play another brief clip of it for you. >> sure. >> ivana wants to get back with donald. >> what is she going to say? >> is she going to say, yes, i want to get back. i want to get back? he's a pretty savvy woman. she's not going to say he's live with marla and he's got three other girlfriends. and she's not going to say -- all right, i really want to get back. she wants to get back. she's told it to a lot of her friends, and she's told it to him, but it's so highly unlikely. that's off the record.
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it was his choice to leave and he left. >> the quality of this recording is very bad but what do you know? >> mr. miller knows more about mr. trump than mr. trump does. that's number one. the recording quality is very low and mark confirmed that this was a microcassette which i found in my lap. this was an acoustical recording found by holding a microcassette near a speaker phone and then after years and years passed, playing it back on a machine that was malfunctioning and buzzing and humming and all that. so forensically, we can't say too much, so we have to look at the voice the way we do for jihadi john. we have to look at the words he uses. the phrases. idioms, his speed and so on. and also with mr. trump, the content. >> right. >> and on that, it is strikingly
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similar. >> despite being questioned several times, he never says where he works. or how he knows mr. trump. he just says i'm doing this for a little while and then i'm going to move on. he goes into detail. he knows everything about every topic posed to him without any pause. >> so let me just play to your point about how he sounds, his cadence. we put together donald trump in that phone call, so all of our viewers know, and then put it together with the donald trump that the country knows from the past few months so you yourself could hear does he use the same words and cadence and idioms. here it is. >> i can tell you this. >> i can tell you this. >> probably doing as well as anybody -- >> i know politics as well as anybody. >> i hold up the bible as well as anybody. >> you understand that. >> you understand that. >> starting to do tremendously well. >> she did tremendously well. >> paid his wife a great deal of
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money. >> you'll see a great deal of cooperation. >> that's pretty incredible. >> good work. you people could work for the cia. >> when you hear that, mark, i mean, it is pretty stunning. the one that really hits home is tremendously. >> yes. and these words, obviously, there's the verbal ticks that donald trump uses that the whole nation now knows. but back in the day, back in 1991 when the "people" magazine reporter was suspicious and thought, yes, maybe i am talking to donald trump, even though he says his name is john miller, she called donald trump's then wife marla maples on the phone and played the tape for her and marla maples immediately burst into tears and said, yes, that is donald trump. and she was deeply dismayed at some of the things he was saying in that recording about her. >> thank you both very much. a clinton loyalist says democrats who think trump is a joke do so at their own peril. ahead the math, trump's path to
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supporters kayleigh mcenany, john avlon. kayleigh, let me start with you, look, everybody should try to pay as little tax as they can. that's what the tax statutes are for. what tax rate does he have to pay? this was a very big issue for mitt romney when this finally came out? >> i think he looks to mitt romney and that's a cautionary tale. obama coerced mitt romney into releasing them. they discovered he had a swiss bank account. perfectly legal and okay but that was used to paint him as a 1 percenter. that's a cautionary tale. and the obama administration wanted more than two years worthd of tax returns. if i'm donald trump, i'm not releasing my taxes. >> mitt romney is one of those saying he should release his taxes. every candidate has done it for the last 40 years. it's the right thing to do. >> donald trump came out and told mitt romney he should release his taxes. >> donald trump is looking to take advice from mitt romney who wants to see him fail at --
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>> he's hiding something, whether he doesn't make as much money as he says, the charitable giving is questionable. if you are running solely on the basis of being a successful businessman and you've never held office before, this is a necessary step to basic transparency and accountability. >> you aren't going to put more information out there for liberals to beat your head. >> this is not about ideology. it's a simple insight into a person who says he's a successful, charitable giver. >> it was the beginning of the end for mitt romney. he's a 1 percenter. >> if he shows it's a 14% or less he's either lying about how much money he has or it's a rigged system. >> there shouldn't be a standard set where candidates don't participate in public disclosure so the public who knows how they made their money and conducted themselves in public life just because mitt romney -- it may have been used against mitt romney. that certainly wasn't the reason he lost. he wasn't coerced into doing so.
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usually candidates come around to making the decisions this is an act of good faith they should participate in so the public can vet them and knows how they made their money, can ensure there's no conflict of interest when they assume the most powerful office on earth. >> donald trump should put his tax returns out because, not just because everybody has done it since 1976. that's a big reason, but because he is running on trust me, i know how to run a business. i'm successful. it's the core of who he is and his candidacy, isn't it? >> well, you know, i'm going to be honest. i'm going to go off the cuff here. you may never have me back on here, but i don't even understand why we're even talking about donald trump's tax returns when in reality, we really should be talking about how the narrative of donald trump being racist, bigot who hates muslims and women when you have the leader of the nation of islam, louis farrakhan singing praises to donald trump.
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i don't understand why that news hasn't broken. i don't understand why we're not talking about that. why isn't every news agency talking about the leader of the largest black muslim organization in this country, louis farrakhan, the leader of the nation of islam singing praises to the -- to donald trump's temporary ban on muslims. we should be talking about that rather than tax returns. >> all right, look. his issue -- his changing position on his muslim ban which seems to be softening a little bit, that's a fair and important conversation. at this moment we want to talk about taxes and also about those tapes to the extent this goes to character and if someone is really what they say they are. on this issue of taxes, this is a crucial question. he is running as a successful businessman. so it is really okay to -- is he going to be able to hide behind this for six months? he's got six months where you'd have to come on tv going, don't do it. >> he's not hiding behind anything. he's not going to make the same
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failed mistakes. coerce you into releasing your taxes. the liberals coerce you. you shouldn't take advice from liberals how to run your campaign. that's what mitt romney did. that's why he failed. that was the beginning of the end. he does not need to release its taxes. clinton, if she doesn't want to release her speeches, don't release your speeches. >> they already know he's rich. his tax rate will be low. that will not be a shock. >> he has a document that says his is what your net worth is. this is what you're making. this is a swiss bank account that's perfectly legal but hillary clinton will use it to paint you as out of touch with the people who you represent to -- >> hillary clinton has released 30 years of taxes, right? and it's not just about liberals or conservatives. this is about a common standard that applies to everyone who has run for president for the last 40 years. if your guy is saying he's an enormously successful businessman and gives enormous amounts to charity, this is a normal step. it's about transparency. if you report doing it, it's
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because hiding something. >> this is really going to hurt donald trump so much because this is what you need to topple trump. >> no, that's not the point. >> go ahead. >> he's also made it clear he's going to release those taxes. right now he's in the middle of an audit. who releases taxes in the middle of an audit. he's made it clear. let's move on. >> i got to say. i'm disturbed by the fact that we are maybe setting a standard where candidates don't have to act trans -- in a transparent fashion. we're talking about a man or woman assuming the most powerful office on earth. yes, we should see what hillary clinton told the goldman sachs audience for money. yes, we should see how donald trump made his money. i'm very worried both candidates running on the republican and democratic side feel they don't have to participate in these disclosures. >> if donald trump has done something so wrong with his taxes, he's been through several audits. that's what the irs is for to be the watchdog with regard to your taxes. if he's done something so terrible and awful on his taxes, he'd be in jail. he's been audited several times. >> we should be able to see that
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he understands it. he could roll it out and say i've employed so many people. look at all these regulations i have to comply with and lawyers i have to teal with. he could use it to his advantage. but it looks like he's hiding something. >> before we go to that point, this issue of the tapes. i want to bring them up because they talk about being a running joke in new york gossip columnists that used to call under suedanisms, that that was a joke. today he went on the "today" show and said it was not him, he did not do it. which gives us a new level of seriousness. we put together, i want to replay it, him and those tapes, the john milnler in those tapes and donald trump today. play this all for you again. >> i can tell you this -- >> i can tell you this. >> he is probably doing as well as anybody -- >> i know politics as well as anybody. >> i hold up the bible as well as anybody. >> you understand that. >> you understand that. >> starting to do tremendously well. >> she did tremendously well. >> paid his wife a great deal of
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money. >> you'll see a great deal of cooperation. >> john, the significance of this, though, of course, is that he's saying it wasn't him. >> yeah, and he's lying. let's be really honest about that. he's lying. he has said in depositions in the past he calls people under john barron or john miller. we have a history of this. the fact the trump campaign is not calling anyone back now is because they know their guy lied on the record and they don't know what to do about it and they are hoping this will pass. if the law -- you get a law degree in a couple of weeks and that's a search for the truth. can you honestly tell me that you think that donald trump is not this guy given the depositions where he admits to using pseudonyms? >> there's a deposition where he admits to using the name john barron. this sounds like him, correct. but a plus b does not equal c. >> do you believe this is not him? >> the only fact we have here -- >> i want to jump in here --
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>> there is no categorical proof this is donald trump. for "the washington post" to come on and make their headline, donald trump masquerades as publicist? that's the biggest breach of journalistic -- >> no, it's not. >> i want to say this -- if i can jump in here. >> let me put a question to you. if it is him and they can determine that more than -- >> absolutely not. >> hold on. let me ask you the question. as a diehard supporter of his, would it upset you that if it is proven to be him that he did, in that case, lie this morning on the "today" show. >> well, you know, i absolutely don't think it's donald trump. i 100% don't along it's donald trump. as a leader myself i understand people that are close to you, people that surround you, it is really easy for people to naturally, especially if they look up to you, and have sons and daughters of the ministry who listen to every word that i say and they watch my life. they watch how i handle business, and it is a natural
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progression for people who look up to you or work closely with you for long periods of time to naturally start to sound like you. so i hear the sound bites and hear how cnn is really trying to parallel the person from 25 years ago, which is a horrible recording, by the way, and donald trump of today and trying to easily parallel the two people as the same people when absolutely that's not the case. i think it's easily for people to easily -- easy to start to sound like donald trump, especially if you -- secondly, donald trump is probably one of the most interpreted people there is in america. people interpret donald trump then and they interpret him now. absolutely not donald trump. >> thank you all very much. outfront next, how does donald trump get to the white house? election expert larry sabado on why it may be out of trump's control. wait until you see this electoral map. and among those supporting donald trump, the butler. we'll have more on that and whether that will hurt him with voters. that's coming up after this.
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tonight the clintons gearing
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up for battle. bill clinton saying his wife is facing the same attacks he says he faced. >> i did not get the numerical majority of delegates until i carried new jersey and california. and believe it or not, i went through the same thing we're doing today. heck, some of those right wingers were sending videos out accusing me of murder. you guys have forgotten this. young people don't know this. this is just a replay of the same old '92 playbook. >> jeff zeleny is outfront. sounds like the clinton campaign is getting ready for an ugly general election and they're not even justifying why she's not going to even clinch the nomination potentially until june. >> no doubt. everyone is getting ready for an ugly election. president clinton is right about the '92 playbook but let's add a couple of things. 24 years of new material since 1992. the media has changed considerably since 1992.
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so there's so many forces coming together here between donald trump and the clinton campaign that have so many years of finances. business dealings, recordings, other things. the last 24 hours have been a snapshot of what we're definitely going to see. this is an opposition research election like none other perhaps and sort of a pity the poor voters here who want to talk about issues and substance. >> so is the clinton campaign, though, as you've been talking to them, worried that donald trump is going to be successful at flipping some democratic states that he could easily win this election? >> the path to 270 is the only important thing to pay attention to for the next six months. the clinton campaign is watching some of those states carefully. in michigan and ohio for example, maybe pennsylvania, they believe that there are states this populist rhetoric is going to resonate. but some democrats believe the campaign is not paying enough attention. let's look at a very interesting comment posted last night on
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instagram from someone who used to work for hillary clinton, jay carson. he said here's the bad news. this guy can actually win the general election pretty damn easily. i hear far too many of my liberal friends calling him a joke and acting like the general election is in the bag which is nuts because he's dangerous and he has a path to victory. we underestimate this guy at our peril. though words from a democrat who is reminding his friends in the clinton campaign to take him seriously. every conversation i have with people inside the campaign, they are taking him seriously. they may not have six months or so ago, but he defeated a lot of pretty impressive republicans. now they're taking him seriously. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. how does donald trump get to 270? that's the magic number. the founder and director of the university of virginia center for politics larry sabado is "outfront." you heard the former clinton operative saying donald trump could win this and easily. what's trump's easiest path to
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270? >> erin, the easiest path of all is to carry the states that mitt romney carried in 2012. that has a total of 206 electoral votes, and then add to that three states -- florida, pennsylvania and ohio. that gets you to 273. it's the easiest way for donald trump to win if he can somehow do that. >> and, of course, polls show, most recent polls which are six months out, but ahead in ohio versus hillary clinton, but a dead heat when you look at pennsylvania and you look at florida. florida, of course, has correctly picked the winner in every presidential race since 1996. so do you see a path for the presidency for trump if he does not win florida? >> well, if you subtract florida, then you really only have one real path to victory if you are donald trump. you have to go the blue collar route. you have to win the north central states with a high concentration of blue collar
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workers. and i'm talking about pennsylvania, ohio, michigan and wisconsin, added to the romney states. what do you do when you add all those together? you get exactly 270. not one single vote to spare. >> wow, wow, incredible. that would mean winning wisconsin, which he did not win in the primar. ted cruz won that. finally anything externally that could change this rubric that you've laid out? >> absolutely. two things that i can think of immediately. a recession. we're in the fourth longest expansion. it's not going to last forever. the laws of the economy have not been repealed. a surprise recession in the summer and fall may very well produce a trump victory. and second, while we don't like to talk about it, we hope it never happens, a significant terrorist event, especially domestically where the administration is held accountable in some way for inadequate preparation or response. that would also potentially produce a trump presidency. >> all right.
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larry, thank you very much. i always appreciate having you on the show. and 270 the big number. joining me, john avlon, our public analyst, editor of the daily beast is back. you heard larry lay out the most realistic path, florida, pennsylvania and ohio. the ohio polls, you have donald trump ahead of hillary clinton by a few points. route within or just outside the margin of error. could he have an edge in november in ohio? >> look, a couple ever things about ohio. here's a place where white working class voters make a big difference. it's not a significantly diverse state, unlike, say, a florida. very high hispanic population and african-american. if he's able to continue that appeal that he's shown in west virginia, for example, some of that could blend over into that appalachian region, the allegheny region of western pennsylvania and ohio. so that is a state where he's got a fighting chance, if he were to pick a john kasich as vp. that could make a difference. it's not going to be enough to
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do the math entirely but cowl tip ohio. >> dead heat florida and pennsylvania. florida really a must-win in almost any scenario for donald trump. but this is also pretty stunning for hillary clinton. just saw that form eer clinton aide saying, hey, democrats, if you aren't taking this seriously, you better get with the program. >> his point is right on. you always run a better campaign when you feel like you're running from behind. if you take that for granted and dismiss donald trump's appeal, especially if there's an x-factor in the election, those are the kind of game changers you can't predict that make demographic math seem small in comparison because you have a moment and a movement. and donald trump does better than hillary clinton. put aside all the demographics, better with men, et cetera, on two issues. who can better handle the economy? and who can better handle terrorists? so if there is a sharp recession or god forbid a terrorist event in the fall, that could rely
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change people's calculus that overwhelms demographic math. >> thank you, john avlon. a former butler under investigation for threatening president obama. one of the questionable characters who is supporting donald trump. our report coming up. and the breaking news. isis declaring a state of emergency. we've got a late breaking story for you.
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with humira, remission is possible. tonight the secret service is investigating donald trump's butler. >> reporter: it's a lineup of controversial characters and their comments are casting a cloud over donald trump. 84-year-old anthony senecal served as trump's butler at his mar-a-lago estate for almost 30 years. the secret service is investigating him after he posted this on facebook saying president obama should have been taken out by our military and shot as an enemy agent in his
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first term. cnn called senecal and he confirmed he wrote the post which has since been taken down but then he said, i prefer he be hung from the portico of the white house or as i call it, the white mosque. trump's campaign day vowed the comments and said senecal hasn't worked there for many years. it's not the first time trump has been forced to distance himself from controversial individuals. >> nothing in this country shocks me. i'd disavow it, but nothing in this country shocks me. >> reporter: that's trump responding to erin burnett about a white nationalist superpac that made robocalls for trump in january saying we don't need muslims. we need smart, well educated white people who will assimulate to our culture. the campaign later saying it was a database error. the campaign fired political adviser sam numberg back in
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august for posting racial slurs. then the former grand wizard david duke. >> will you say you don't want david duke's vote or that of other white sprem supremacists s election? >> i don't know anything about david duke. >> trump later blamed a bad earpiece and took to wait toer to -- twitter to disavow duke. >> mike tyson threw trump his support. >> mike tyson endorsed me. i love him. he sent out a tweet. iron mike. you know, all the tough guys endorse me. i like that. >> i don't think rapists are tough guys. they are weak, bullies and cowards. >> part of it is he's made his persona around being the reverent candidate and saying what he wants, associating with whoever he wants. he might not do as well when facing hillary clinton in a general election. and that's when a lot of these comments and a lot of these connections come back to bite.
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>> jessica, trump turns some of this into a positive saying he's been loyal to people who have been good to him perhaps in the example of his butler. >> he's able to balance this loyalty with also keeping people at a distance. he disavowed david duke. his campaign staff said the butler is no longer working for him. maybe the perfect example is corey lewandowski. trump remained on lewandowski's side even after he was arrested but charges were never brought. but trump does, as he says, remain loyal. >> certainly so. jessica schneider, thank you very much. outfront next, we're following the breaking news on isis issuing a declaration of emergency. and jeanne moos on a new dating site for those who have sworn they'll move to canada after the election. i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back.
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. breaking news. isis declaring a state of emergency. u.s. official telling us this taking place in the isis self-declared capital in syria. isis moving fighters around the city, trying to shield targets
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from air strikes. barbara starr is out front. barbara, we've never heard of this before. how significant is this that isis would declare as formally as they can do so, a state of emergency? >> reporter: u.s. officials are say it may be a sign that isis is finally nervous, as a city they hold very dear and have held on to it for a long time and their center of power. new fighters being seen moving around the city, being seen leaving the city. shields put up to shield people. isis operatives from being atacted from the air, from land attack, they look around and they see militia movements moving in from both the east and the west. and so the sense that the u.s. has is that isis might actually be getting nervous that they believe there may be an assault on raqqah in coming weeks and months. the reality is it may be a long way off but the u.s. doesn't mind isis being nervous. the more they move around, the more the u.s. warplanes overhead
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may be able to target them. >> so barbara, where does the u.s. think the biggest threat is from isis right now? you are talking about their self-declared capital. but in terms of where the threat is, where do they say? >> well, look, syria and iraq still remain a substantial threat. the threat of overseas attacks by people inspired by isis, we've seen it in paris, we've seen it in brussels, we've seen it in san bernardino. but there a new front and that is libya. there are now about 6,000 isis fighters in libya and look for the u.s. military to quietly step up u.s. action there. u.s. military teams have been going into libya, trying to make contact with local militia movements and find out where isis fighters are and what might be done there to get at them inside libya. erin? >> barbara, that's a crucial thing in the election as well with hillary clinton and her role with the benghazi and lib why aa and something that will come up in the election.
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thank you appreciate it. >> sure. up next, jeanne moos. dating sites promising to make dating great again. hey, jesse. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. vern from voya? yep, vern from voya. why are you orange? that's a little weird. really? that's the weird part in this scenario? look, orange money represents the money you put away for retirement. save a little here and there, and over time, your money could multiply. see? ah, ok. so, why are you orange? funny. see how voya can help you get organized at this just got interesting. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use, is the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction
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is voting for donald trump a dating deal breaker in jeanne moos found a new match miking service inspired by trump. take a look. >> reporter: you may not think of donald trump as a matchmaker. but he could inspire cross-border romance between americans and canadians if maple match ever gets off the ground with its catchy slogan -- >> make dating great again. >> reporter: the website's mission, maple match makes it easy for americans to find the ideal canadian partner to save them from the horror after of a trump presidency. hillary supporters joe goldman dreamed up maple match. >> i've always liked maple syrup. i have about 12 leaders at home. i'm a fan of the flavor. >> reporter: joe says maple match started with a fun experiment but within days 20,000 americans signed the wait list and 5,000 canadians. everyday the number grows. sure people have been joking
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about moving. >> will donald trump be our next president? if that [ bleep ] becomes president, i'm movingably black [ bleep ] to south africa. >> reporter: miley cyrus instagramed, going to vom, as in vomit, moving out of the country. ain't no party in the usa any more. cher tweeted, if trump were elected, i'm moving to jupiter. but some, like lena dunham, sound serious. >> i'm 100% moving to canada. i love canada. >> well she is a b actor with no mojo. >> mojo in terms of generating interest. but don't expect immediate results. looks like maple match will be as slow as, well, maple syrup. questions about when the site might work got vague answers. joe, i'm sorry, it's like talking to donald trump. >> is it ever like a dating site? >> at this time i really can't say for sure.
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we're really trying our hardest. >> reporter: maple match is asking who you would like to shack up with before the shack is built. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> oh, jeanne. this sunday night on cnn, anthony bourdain is up in big sky country. parts unnoin montana. that's going to be an awesome one. a state i haven't been to and am dieing to see. that's sunday at 9:00 eastern and pacific time here on cnn. on monday, be sure to watch "outfront." we will have a sneak peek of our exclusive reporting and video of our special report, biker brawl. inside the texas shootout. it airs monday night right here on cnn. we will have exclusive new footage for you of that shootout here on "outfront." thank you so much for joining us. hope you have a wonderful weekend. see you here on monday. ac 360 with anderson starts right now.
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>> good eejing and thanks for watching. less than a day that donald trump went to washington some republicans may have reason to be jittery yet again. according to yesterday's meetings, the capitol gop leaders were worrying about his tax returns and any number of other things. these meetings were supposed to ease some of the worries to lighten the perceived baggage it down play the political risk of his unconventional legacy. it knit, all those concerns are back in the spotlight. whether it is concern of taxes, death threat from his butler or this. >> not sure if you have been made aware of this washington post report that's out this morning but they have obtained a recording with a voice of someone that they say is in fact you, someone pretending to be a pr person. this is from 25 years ago and let me play a portion of the tape for you.