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hello again and welcome back. i'm fredricka whitfield. thanks so much for being with me. so donald trump on the defense as several potential problems surface for the presumptive republican nominee. right when he's trying to rally the gop establishment behind him, this week, bizarre allegations that trump posed as his own publicist years ago. the conversation captured on a 1991 recording. but the billionaire businessman denies that it's his voice on the audio tape.
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trump is also coming under growing scrutiny over his refusal to release his tax returns. trump telling voters he won't release them until an audit is done. hillary clinton is seizing on the issue, releasing a new web video, using trump's words against him. >> are you getting any closer to releasing your tax returns? >> well, i'm thinking about it. i can't do it until the audit is finished. >> the audit is no excuse. the irs has made it very clear that an audit is not a bar to public release. it is entirely your choice. >> it's none of your business. >> all right, cnn correspondent, scott mcclain is covering all of these developments for us and joins us now live from washington. all right, so, what's next for either camp? >> fredricka, hillary clinton still technically has a primary battle to win, but you wouldn't know it, because she's gone largely ignored bernie sanders and instead gone straight after
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donald trump. she's been critical of trump's tax cut plan, and as of wednesday, the tax returns he has yet to release and may not before november. now, fred, as you mentioned, trump says he won't release them until an irs audit is completed. the presumptive republican nominee is also dealing with another controversy. a tape of a "people" magazine interview from 1991, dug up by "the washington post." on the tape, a man named john miller, claiming to be trump's publicist, talks about trump's personal life and trump's breakup with marla maples. the tape raises the suspicion that donald trump is pretending ton his own publicist. something trump denied on friday. here's part of that 1991 interview. >> i've sort of been put in here to handle, because i've never seen anybody get so many calls from the press. >> where did you come from? >> i basically worked for different firms. i worked for a couple of different firms. i know somebody that he knows, and i think somebody that he trusts and likes.
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so i'm going to do this a little part-time and go on with my life, too. >> so cnn talked to a forensic audio expert who says he believes the voice on the tape is trump himself, based on his pitch, his mannerisms and his cadence. the original author of the story in "people" magazine, sue carswell told cnn's michael smerconish that she played the recording for others who knew trump and even maples herself who also thought it was him. two weeks later, he apologized to the magazine and called it a joke gone awry. fredricka? >> scott mcclain, thank you so much. also perplexing. so let's dig a little deeper now on that "washington post" story, that claims that trump acted as his own publicist in the '90s. cnn's drew griffin has more. >> fred, if the person on this tape is not donald trump, then an audio expert we talked to said someone has done a masterful job of sounding almost exactly like donald trump. the fact is the secret pr man in
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donald trump's past may not have ever been a real secret at all. >> morning. >> reporter: the real amazing story of donald trump's old spokesman, as "the washington post" headline writes, may be that it's been such an open secret for so long, it's hard to believe that anyone is still questioning it. >> what's your name again? >> john miller. >> and you work with donald trump? >> yes, that's correct. >> it was back in the 1980s. and when the flashy new york real estate mogul needed to get a bit of news out, the newspaper reports it was common knowledge among new york reporters that trump just assumed a different name and handled the media calls himself. like this call from reporter sue carswell at "people" magazine, concerning trump's breakup with girlfriend marla maples. >> what kind of comment is coming from either your agent or from donald? >> well, it's just that he really decided that he wasn't, you know, that he didn't want to make any commitment. he didn't want to make a commitment. he really thought it was too soon. he's coming out of a -- you
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know, a marriage that -- and he's starting to do tremendously well financially. >> reporter: if that john miller sounds like trump, it's because audio forensic expert tom owen says, in his opinion, it is. >> i can conclude, with a fair degree of scientific certainty that it is donald trump's voice. >> reporter: this afternoon, owen compared the john miller on that phone call with "people" magazine -- >> he didn't want to make a commitment. he really thought it was too soon. >> reporter: to the real donald trump interviewed on cnn's larry king live in the 1990s. >> i don't talk about relationships. i don't talk about the personal aspects of it. >> reporter: due to the quality of the old recordings, he couldn't use his biometric analysis, that he says would be absolutely certain, but based on pitch, tone, cadence, and his expertise, john miller and donald trump are one and the same. >> i'm confident that it's donald trump, based on my analysis of the critical listening, listening to the two
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recordings. and make drawing a conclusion based on various factors, pitch, mannerisms, syllable coupling. >> reporter: trump even tacitly admitted under oath to using one of his false pr names in a 1990 court testimony, when he said, i believe on occasion i used that name. >> thank you! >> reporter: trump was confronted with the taped phone call and "the washington post" story on friday's "today" show. >> no, i don't think it -- i don't know anything about it. you're telling me about it for the first time and it doesn't sound like my voice at all. i have many, many people that are trying to imitate my voice, you can imagine that, and this sounds like one of the scams. one of the many scams. it doesn't sound like me. >> reporter: it turns out that trump may have learned this trick from his father, fred trump, who was also known in the new york real estate media as a certain mr. green. fred? >> all righty. thank you so much, drew griffin.
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so sue carswell was that reporter on the other end of those tapes when she was working at "people" magazine. and today she is speaking out about who she thinks is responsible for making those tapes public now. >> did you release this tape? >> no. >> did you have the tape? i mean, how did it get into play? >> all right, two people had the tape. i had a tape and trump had a tape. and i don't have the tape. >> how do you think it got into play? >> well, it didn't get to "the washington post" through me. >> so? >> trump! >> you think trump dropped this tape? >> yeah. >> why would he do that? >> look what's gone on this week. taxes, paul ryan, the butler. the butler did it. now, trump seems to like to pull "people" magazine-type stories into the fray. >> so in other words, a continuation -- here's your thought. it's a continuation of what john miller told you back in 1991, that there's no such thing as bad publicity. so trump now getting banged over the taxes, the butler comes out and says outrageous things about
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president obama, he thinks, you know what, a little diversion here is in order. >> yeah, but what's so weird, 25 years. and all of a sudden this comes forward. there's no reason for it to have come forward, at all. >> there's not been some watergate break-in at your apartment, where someone could have -- >> this is watergate going on right now, michael. >> all right. that's sue carswell, the "people" magazine reporter who was on the other end of the phone with that john miller. let's bring in julian zelinger to take a look at all of this. good to see you. so, let's begin with this audio tape. and who may have leaked it and why. what do you make of all of this, especially after hearing from sue carswell? >> well, it's really a minor scandal compared to all the other issues surrounding donald trump, from the statements on immigration to the tax release and to his association with all sorts of people, who are pretty controversial. this doesn't seem like a big
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issue. and so i don't know where it came from, but my guess is it will only work to his benefit. >> really? okay, so it's minor, but cumulatively, you know, you mentioned, the wall, et cetera, and now not releasing taxes. cumulatively, does all of this say or do something to his campaign? >> well, that's true. i mean, the cumulative damage is to raise questions in the electorate, especially those who are not his staunch supporters about, who is this guy? and is he a series candidate? that's ultimately an argument that must have of his critics, including hillary clinton, want to make against him. not just that he's too extreme, but that he can't be given the presidency. and so that's how these small stories could work into a bigger picture. >> so, you mentioned the, who is this guy. maybe people who have not supported him might be asking. but for those who have been supporting him, should -- are they possibly saying the same thing? who is this guy? >> well, yeah. and there's more damaging
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stories. today there was a story in "the new york times" about his relations with women and his attitudes towards women, which i think that could be a much more serious issue, especially given the gender gap that we're seeing in polling. so as people start to see, he is the nominee, these are the kinds of questions that he will have to survive. >> so, how important will it be for people who know him well to emerge, to try to speak to his character? i spoke with louise sunshine, who was a partner, a close working associate with the trump organization, back in -- you know, starting in the late '70s, and i asked her point-blank, in an exclusive conversation, we'll reveal more of it next week, but i asked her in a conversation in miami, whether he has a problem with women. is he sexist? what was he like, working with him? and she says, he respects women. how important will it be for those who know him well to come
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out publicly and speak specifically about the character of donald trump? >> well, it will be important. and he'll be calling on his allies and friends to do that. the problem is, it has to be balanced out with the rest of his record. i think he has many sides to him. the statements he's made, those relationships are all part of the record, as well. and i don't know if, you know, character statements from friends will be able to overcome all of the damage he's done with some of his derogatory statements about various women. >> so, it seems right now, donald trump has kind of gone dark. that, you know, that "today" show interview, he says, that's not me. but now, you don't see him. there are no, you know, public rallies or anything like that scheduled as far as we know right now. how important will it be when he does emerge, whether he's on the phone or whether he is in front of a camera? how important will it be for him to set the record straight? revisit this whole topic, or move on? >> well, it will be very important. he is a master of creating a
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drama around his candidacy. so i'm sure going dark is partly to build the anticipation of how does he respond to all of this? and so, he will respond. he'll have his answers. but knowing what we know of donald trump, he's also going to shape the conversation. and he's going to force the conversation to move in directions that favor him. >> and look at, we're talking about him now. how does bernie sanders, how does hillary clinton, use this to their advantage? or, are they falling into the trap, so to speak, of talking about donald trump, helping to get him more publicity, even by uttering his name? >> you would barely know that democrats are still in the middle of a primary, that one is running. and that is what we've seen over and over again. he shifts the conversation to him, and that is big publicity, big media time, and so far, it's benefited him, each turn. >> julian zelzer, thank you so
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much. so one person who says it isn't trump on the tape, former business executive, louise sunshine. we sat down for an exclusive interview with her in miami and got her reaction to that audio. >> that's the donald i know. >> what do you mean? >> i just didn't hear his voice. not the voice that resonates in my ears. >> so describe the donald trump that you know. >> the donald trump that i know is a for skilled, intelligent, incredibly determined, very successful, very charm iing brilliant businessman, marketeer. and to me, a very loyal friend.
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>> and i played that audio tape for her, and she listened, and she said, that is not the donald trump voice that she knows. all right. stay with cnn. we'll have much more from our interview with louise sunshine next hour. plus, we'll be releasing a larger portion of the interview next weekend. all right, also, up next, isis under pressure. one of the world's most feared terror organizations declares a state of emergency in their own self-declared capital. and later, senator bernie sanders finding a new wave of momentum after several primary wins. but, is that enough? we'll delve into his uphill battle for delegates, coming up. . running our own business, we've been traveling a lot. a hotel looking to help small businesses succeed is incredible. thank you. holiday inn is an extension of our team. book your next journey at holidayinn.com thank you. holiday inn is an extension of our team. my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian.
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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we're following new developments out of syria, where the terror group, isis, appears to have declared a state of emergency. the pentagon says it's seeing new evidence of isis fighters being scrambled inside its self-declared capital of raqqah, possibly preparing for a siege. this comes after u.s.-backed forces have started to surround
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the city in recent months, helping to cut off supply lines. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr explains. >> reporter: u.s. military officials have been closely monitoring social media and other reports that isis has declared a state of emergency in raqqah, its self-declared capital inside syria. that's a city that isis holds very dear. they've been in control of it for some time. so what does this state of emergency really mean? u.s. officials say that they have some evidence showing isis fighters are moving around, in the city, some of them trying to leave the city. that they're putting up covers, shade, trying to cover sidewalks, areas where they may be, all to try to stay hidden from potential air strikes or ground action. isis may, in fact, be getting nervous in raqqah. they have seen militia movements move closer and closer. some of the areas surrounding raqqah, now not necessarily under isis control.
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all of this making the group maybe, for the first time, very nervous about being able to hold on to the city that they consider their capital. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. >> all right. let's take a closer look now. lieutenant colonel rick francona is a cnn analyst and a former attache in syria. all right, so what do these developments tell you about the war on isis? >> i think isis is beginning to feel the pressure. as barbara said, they're very nervous. if you look at their situation in raqqah, they're under pressure from the north, from the east, and from the west, from the kurds and the syrian democratic forces, the u.s.-backed forces, much more effective use of air power now, now that we've got american forces on the ground, controlling those air strikes. much more effective, bringing a lot more damage to isis, and they're also feeling pressure from the south with the syrian army. although the syrian army has
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almost stopped its attack from the south and is more pivoted toward the fighting in aleppo. they've taken a little bit of pressure off there, but they're very, very concerned. they're also seeing their supply lines between raqqah and mosul get cut. they know there are two big fights coming. the battle for mosul and the battle for raqqah and they're preparing. i think they're being a little premature, because i don't see an attack on raqqah in the offing anytime soon. but there are preparations underway. >> are you also concerned that isis, at least in this region, could be reorganizing as a -- in response to the, in response to these new hurdles. >> yeah, that's a good point. what we're seeing is they're trying to cut the supply lines for the syrian army, and that didn't go too well. they really took a beating out there to the west of raqqah, primary at the hands of the kurds and the syrian democratic forces. so they are no longer on the roll, the momentum that they had when we were talking about this, you know, even a year ago. now they're being rolled back up and being pushed back into their
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enclave. so, they are trying to reorganize, but they're under a lot of pressure, fred. remember, they've lost a lot of money, their recruitment stream is down by one third. their salaries have been cut. so, they are really starting to feel the pressure. i think it's only a matter of time before the balance slips the other way and we start to see some real victories. >> is feeling the pressure the same as weakening? >> i don't think we should sell them too short, but, yes, i think it's going to have an effect. as we take out their leadership, and the u.s. has been very, very good, with the better sources of intelligence developed over the years, we're able to go after the leadership. when you go after the leadership, yes, you kill the leader and he's immediately replaced, but usually replaced with someone not quite as talented or quite as capable. so we're lessening their overall leadership capabilities and also their field capabilities by knocking out a lot of logistics. i have to say, the air campaign has really stepped up. both on the u.s. side, and the russians have started to bomb raqqah. of course, the russians just
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don't -- gravity bombs and kind of a lot of collateral damage. >> well, there continues to be that kind of criticism of just air strikes, that it's less precise. but is that the best measure at this juncture there? >> well, our strikes are becoming more and more precise. and i think we're trying to limit the collateral damage. once you start bombing in raqqah. and raqqah is a very compact, dense city. you've got to know what you're going. we've started using the smaller diameter bomb. it was developed just for this kind of a fight. whereas the russians, when they bomb, they've been using high-altitude bombers and opening up the bombay and just letting it lose. much akin to the carpet bombing we did in vietnam. >> lieutenant colonel rick francona, always good to see you. thanks so much. all right, coming up, it's math versus momentum when it comes to bernie sanders campaign. but house steep is the senator's uphill climb when it comes to pledged delegates? the story behind the numbers, next. what's with him?
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all right. hello, again. thanks so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. when you look at the democratic primary map, it appears bernie sanders is on a roll. in the last two months, he has won 19 of the last 25 voting states, leading what he calls the, quote, political revolution. well, thousands show up to his rallies and he's managed to garner major support from many millennial voters. yet, when you look at the map,
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the likelihood of securing the democratic nomination is not in sanders' favor. rival hillary clinton is closing in on the that magic number of 2383. let's talk more about it with nomiki konst, a democratic strategist and bernie sanders supporter. good to see you. >> nice to see you! >> nomiki, you first, then. so what is the changing strategy or, likely the modifications bernie sanders feels that he has to make to put him in a better position to potentially get the nomination? >> i think he's on a roll. he just needs to keep winning. he's won, as you said, 19 of the 25 last primary and caucus states. he's won 54% of the last pledged delegates. and right now, they're just about 200 -- 200 or so pledged delegates away from each other. the rules are of the dnc, and they've been the rules for the past 32 years, that both
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candidates need to reach 2383 pledged delegates. that super delegates declare on the floor. the problem is, this is the second closest behind barack obama and hillary clinton's race in 2008. this is the second closest primary in history. but super delegates were created to be an insurance policy against someone like a donald trump. they were created after the hunt commission. they were enacted in 1944. and that was to really lock down the establishment's choice. and they set up a few other things. now, the problem is, super delegates do have -- many of them have an obligation to voters. so if he continues to win and the margins are as close as they've been and we go into california, which is 475 pledged delegates, if they -- if he continues to win, those super delegates that are elected will probably have to respond to their voters. >> really? >> i think that's where we can start to turn over some of these super delegates. >> julian, do you see that? super delegates who may have already said, i'm liean this wa, hillary clinton has garnered the majority of the super delegates,
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that they would feel the pressure if bernie sanders were to continue to win, that they might be swayed by that? that they would have that obligation, is what nomiki said? >> i don't think so. i mean, i think most of the super delegates are locked into their pledges. i don't see it being very easy to get them to switch their commitments to hillary clinton. i think many of them still believe hillary clinton is better for the general election. and finally, he'd have to do extraordinarily well, both in new jersey and california, so that she does not rack up a very small number that she needs, a small percentage to win the nomination. so, i see the scenario. but i don't think it's likely at this point. >> well, to be fair, there's about a thousand pledged delegates left. those super delegates do not count until the convention. so, they have to split up that, a thousand pledged delegates over the next five or six to ten states and territories. and furthermore, you know, the rules are the rules.
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as much as we say that the super delegates don't respond to the voters, you know, they're elected into office. so if democratic party members are not going to respond to their own voters, that puts their own positions at risk. not just what they think is -- she's going to win. i mean, he's winning with all the swing states against donald trump right now. he's winning in the national polls against donald trump. she's not. >> so, since you have super delegates, bernie sanders himself holding a rally last night in north dakota actually had this to say about that. >> secretary clinton received, if my memory is correct, about 450 super delegates before anybody else was in the race. months before the first ballot was cast. that is the establishment talking. and we have got to tell the establishment that is not a process, which is acceptable. >> so, julian, is that problematic, that some super delegates, if what he's saying is true, made their commitments even before the primary race was
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underway? >> they have the right to make those commitments. the rules are set before this begins and, you know, this came up in 2008 and in that case, it was hillary clinton, who was challenging this. but, their decisions are legitimate. so the question is, will they change? not whether they're legitimate. i just don't see a lot of evidence right now that they are going to switch. no one is saying that. and also, let's not forget, it's not just about the super delegates. he has to do extraordinarily well in california and new jersey and i'm just not seeing the evidence that that's going to be the outcome. >> so nomiki, is there a feeling that you or even supporters of bernie sanders or bernie sanders himself, you know, feel that this is the election season that just might be influential enough, so that in time for the next presidential election, the whole super delegate, you know, system would be altered, changed, if not, you know, dismantled altogether? >> you know, no doubt.
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this is the second -- like i said, the second tightest democratic primary in the last 30 years since we've had democratic primaries or 40 years. so i think that the democrat party, especially those under the age of 45, who are supporting bernie sanders, 80% of the party, with the rise in independents, with the democratic party hemorrhaging membership over the past ten years, and our catastrophic losses from the state legislative level, all the way up to the senate, you know, there's time for some party reform. we need it. and bernie sanders' campaign was just a catalyst for that. so, whether or not he wins the nomination, which i still see a path to victory for, especially since super delegates were designed to cast their ballot on the convention floor, not designed to pledge in august of last year. so i do see a lot of reforms coming out of this. and i hope so, because we need to survive as a party. >> all right. nomiki konst, julian zelizer, thank you so much. >> thank you. straight ahead, he was a symbol of hope in the cnn documentary series "chicagoland." lee mccollum jr. went from gangs
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but still found a way to get shot and killed. >> 2013 prom king, y'all give it up, for mr. lee mccollum! >> for once he was a king, known to viewers as the 2014 cnn documentary "chicagoland," lee mccollum, gave a rare glimpse into his struggle for survival and escape from his gang-riddled neighborhood. but mccollum's story ended tragically thursday morning, after he was gunned down in the streets of chicago's south side. >> i don't have a plan. >> what do you think about maybe in january, what do you think about going away? to college or to a trade school? >> i wouldn't mind going away. >> give me your word we will meet up at some point next week. you know me, i keep it 100% real. you know how i am. i don't want to be hearing that nothing bad happened to you. i don't want to be going to your funeral. >> reporter: words that have new meaning for his former principal. >> that was so hard when they played that clip back.
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i just -- i forgot i had said that to him, because i was worried about him at the time, and there were some things going on in his life that weren't on the up and up. >> help you get into college. >> reporter: 22-year-old lee mccollum, a former gang member, turned honor roll student and prom king never made it out of the tough south side, despite getting accepted to college, he never enrolled and thursday morning, lee was murdered, shot in the head, and left to die in the streets. >> i remember him as a freshman, he used to get on my last nerve that i had. got into a lot of trouble and had a lot of issues and we wrapped resources and support around him and he joined the basketball team and we could see him slowly begin to shift until really, when you graduate, he was prom king, he had been on the honor roll, like, he really changed his life. and it was, it was positive and it was inspiring. because we know that all of our kids have that potential. i think that they're just up
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against incredible odds. >> reporter: this wasn't mccollum's first brush with violence. he was shot in the leg in 2014. and just three weeks ago, his girlfriend was shot and killed while the two were together. now many are hoping for a change. >> he hated funerals. he always hated them. and he would never stay. and so, you know, just keep thinking, like, now we're attending his funeral, you know? it's just unfortunate. >> you know, fred, people are fighting every single day to kind of change things here in chicago. but just think, over 1,200 people have been shot this year and the city is on pace for 500 murders. so this is one taste, but if you look at all the shootings that are happening, people are really trying to change things here and it's just very tough. >> it is tough and terribly sad. ryan young, thanks so much. we'll be right back. ♪ some people know how to make an entrance... ♪
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bashing beijing, one of donald trump's favorite pastimes. he routinely accuses china of ripping off the u.s. with bad trade deals, manipulating its currency and stealing american jobs. so you probably think trump would be persona non grata inside china? but as cnn's matt rivers reports, in some chinese circles, trump is a huge hit. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country. and that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the
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history of the world. >> tough talk about trade from the republican presumptive nominee against one of his top targets. yet here in china, there is respect, and even administration for donald trump. >> i think donald trump has the guts to say everything that normal people fear to say. >> gu yu is a young chinese tech entrepreneur, part of a vocal group of chinese fans of the billionaire businessman. one social media user on china's twitter equivalent says that hillary clinton just makes empty promises while trump is the king of doing what he says. another calls him sharp and pragmatic. one person even said they'd vote for him, because he is so handsome. ♪ money, money, money, money >> reporter: a face chinese audiences got to know from his days on "celebrity apprentice," a hit here in china. >> you're fired. >> reporter: from tv to books, trump's best seller, "the art of the deal" in mandarin is found in bookstores across beijing. his success as a businessman is no doubt part of his appeal as a
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politician. some chinese see a rich billionaire and want to be just like him. >> reporter: like the owner of trump consulting, a chinese real estate firm named after the candidate himself. the irony, the owner tells cnn, donald trump is a political clown, but i wouldn't change my company name for that. he's a real estate tycoon, after all. his feelings on trump the politician shared by the media here. in march, the state-run newspaper, "the global times," called trump a rich narcissist and a clown for statements like this. >> negotiating with china, when these people walk in the room, they don't say, oh, hello, how's the weather outside. they say, we want deal! >> even with all the bluster, trump tower is still a popular destination for tourists from mainland china and taiwan visiting new york city. >> he's a super star. >> everybody like the trump. so i came to see. i wish trump would win.
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>> reporter: still, not everyone is a fan. >> if he become the president, i have a little bit of scared. >> the chinese, just like many americans, with no shortage of opinions on donald trump. matt rivers, cnn, beijing. >> all right. and don't miss "state of the union" on cnn tomorrow morning. jake tapper sit downs with paul manafort, one of trump's primary advisers and convention manager. that on sunday morning on "state of the union" on cnn. also, up next, a stunning eruption captured on an infrared camera. the dramatic video of the moment lava, ash, and rock blast from a volcano in costa rica. ♪ ♪ you live life your way.
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it will be remembered as one of the bloodiest days in waco, texas history when two rival biker gangs clashed in a parking lot. a gun battle e erupted, and nine people were left dead, and now some of the people who were there that day are telling their sides of the story to cnn. >> at last count, we have 170 individuals that we have arrested. >> reporter: count grows to an unprecedented 177 bikers
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arrested. >> i believe it was 16 days. >> reporter: including matt who says he took cover in the bathroom in the melee. >> why would they feel the need to take over 170 people and put us behind bars just because we were there and we were riding a motorcycle. it makes no sense to me. >> reporter: there were so many bikers arrested, they had to bring them here to the waco convention center, dividing bikers into separate rooms, processed, and held into the middle of the night. >> first, zip tied and laid on the floor of the convention center, and we were tied for 18 hours. i was shocked. >> reporter: clips capture the scene inside the convention center as police interrogate biker after biker. >> did you physically, yourself,
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see anybody shoot? no. >> there was no idea this was going to happen today? you think anybody knew? >> reporter: some bikers are belligerent. others are in shock. >> i road in with rick. he's in the hospital at the moment. >> is he in the gang? >> yes. >> can you tell me how he's doing? >> do you want me to tell you how he's doing? he's dead. >> the story this biker tells is about his own son. >> i shoved him off me as soon as the gun stopped, and i went back, shot in the head, blooding out next to me. >> okay. one of your brothers? >> my son. >> your son? your son was shot. i'm sorry, man. i did not know.
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i did not know. >> after the interrogations, a sea of mug shots released. bikers are taken to jail and slapped with $1 million bonds. >> don't miss our special report monday at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. our top stories, pfizer made it more difficult to get lethal injection drugs. a director of the second largest pharmaceutical company in the world says the drugs are no longer available through normal means. lethal injection is the primary execution method in 31 death penalty states. a controversial sheriff found in contempt of court. the federal court district judge ruled the judge and three of his subordinates violated court
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>> all right, hello, again, thank you so much for joining me. the presidential nominees have yet to be chosen. the general election is yet to officially begin, but the political fireworks between the front runners is well underway, and hillary clinton is now turning her focus and criticism on the republican nominee over his taxes, donald trump is under growing scrutiny over the delay in releasing tax returns. clinton is teasing on the issue releasing this new web video using trump's words against him. >> maybe i'm going to do the tax returns when obama does his birth certificate. >> the state of hawaii released
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my official long form birth certificate. >> if i decide to run for office, i'll release the tax returns, absolutely. >> i'm officially running for president of the united states. >> any closer to releasing tax returns? >> well, i'm thinking about it. i can't do it until the audit is finished. >> it's no excuse. an audit is not a part of public release, but entirely your choice. >> cnn scott mclain joins me now. scott, appears that another sign of clinton is kind of pivoting away from her democratic competitor, senator sanders, instead looking towards the general election. >> yeah, you're right. the clinton campaign is trying to shake off sanders for a long time, and because the delegate lead is so big, she's ignoring him and going after trump with the tax returns being the latest target. it is interesting to point out, though, that clinton had not

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