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>> we look forward to seeing it. good work. thanks very much. you can see the cnn special report biker brawl inside the texas shootout. that airs tonight 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room". erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. up next donald trump unleashing a twitter tirade. we'll tell who you the target is. desperate republicans looking for a trump alternative they found a billionaire and another tv star to run for president. i'll ask mark cuban of "shark tank" that next. and i talked with hillary clinton about her administration. let's go "outfront". good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight trump fighting back. donald trump slamming the "new york times" over a story about his past behavior towards women.
the paper quoting a former model that trump dated in the 1990s depicting their first meeting as a debasing encounter. but that model, rowanne brewer lane says the report is just not accurate. >> it was completely misleading. they misled me. they took parts of what i said in at least a two hour interview that they did exclusively with me and spun it. >> trump took to twitter. he still at it at this hour claiming the media is conducting a witch-hunt against him singling out the "times." with the coming forward today of the woman central to the failing "new york times" hit piece on me, we have exposed the article. one of the most prominent names, mark cuban, is my guest in a couple of moments. this comes as trump is meeting
wth republicans trying to calm their fears, unite the party around him. jim acosta is out front. trump is not letting these media reports go without a fight. it's fair this article about trump's relationship with women in the "new york times" was -- it was a bomb shell in certain ways. it was a very negative portrayal. >> reporter: that's right. he's almost using to it his advantage right now. donald trump is swimming against a tide of negative stories right now with the attacks on subjects ranging from his relationships with women to whether he pretended to be his own pr agent. trump in his own style is hitting back on twitter as you said all day long but also getting some help. >> he was very genuine. he was very gentlemanly. >> reporter: she was a key subject in what looked like a blockbuster "new york times" article depicting donald trump as a playboy who objectifies women. but rowanne brewer lane says she
was misrepresented. >> i'm very upset with "new york times" article because it was completely misleading. they misled me. >> reporter: that was more than enough for trump who routinely slams the media at his rallies. >> the world's most dishonest people. >> reporter: to blast away at the "new york times" with the coming forward today of the woman central to the failing "new york times" hit piece on me we have exposed the article as a fraud. trump has been laying low since his trip to washington last week has been subjected to the kind of scrutiny being a party nominee. take "the washington post" story that trump once pretended to be his own pr agent. top trump aide has his doubts. >> i could barely understand it. i couldn't tell who it is. donald trump says it's not him i believe it's not him. >> reporter: trump is taking hits from british prime minister david cameron who slammed the
tycoon's proposal for a temporary ban on muslims coming in to the u.s. as stupid. >> looks like we won't have a very good relationship. who knows. i hope to have a good relationship with him. he's not willing to address the problem either. >> reporter: president obama was piling on over the weekend at a commencement address at rutgers. >> it's not cool to not know what you're talking about. ice not keeping it real or telling it like it is. that's just not knowing what you're talking about. >> reporter: which is why there's an effort inside the gop to find somebody to run as a third-party candidate. cnn confirmed mitt romney asked ben sasse to consider it. also fielding calls, billionaire mark cuban. >> it's a suicide mission because you're not changing and throwing out eight years of the white house but throwing out potentially generations in the supreme court. >> reporter: meanwhile there's the vp search. ben carson was quoted as naming chris christie, marco rubio, ted
cruz and john kasich as being on trump's short list. carson backed away from those comments earlier today and trump campaign officials tells me carson was not speak on behalf of the campaign. hits keep on coming for donald trump but he's still standing. >> the owner of mavericks star, star of shark tanning, mark cuban. the anti-trump republicans are strike to recruit you to be president. how did they ask and how did they sell to it you >> look it was just an e-mail through one of my associates and it was a quick response of no. it's impossible for it to work. there's not enough time to get on ballots. the hurdles are too great. it was a ridiculous effort. so i passed. >> ridiculous effort. that sounds pretty definitive. no way you'll end up being an independent candidate? >> none. >> so -- >> none. not even this much. >> so you say you won't run but yet i know you're warning a
trump presidency from what we have seen could be dire, you think stores, for example, could crash. it's a significant thing to say. how bad could it be. >> well, let's take a step back, first of all. where donald has come from to today, you would think that he would be more knowledgeable on the issues we would look at what he has to say and say you know what he's picked up some in depth knowledge, his nuance on different topics whether it's immigration or a jobs plan or the economy whatever it may be but that just hasn't happened. to me that's a problem. it's apparent he hasn't invested the time to really do a deep dive and understand the issues that we're facing and the things that he says he wants to do. that's an issue. now when you have that amount of uncertainty, when there's -- you know you're flip flopping not sure what the candidate will say from one thing to another, that uncertainty, you know, potentially as president of the united states that's the last thing wall street wants to here. i can say with 100% certainty
there's a really good chance we could see a huge, huge correction even today there was an article on reuters karl icahn who is mentoring him has taken on a huge 150% short position. that's not a good thing. that's horrific. so all those people that look at him and say you know what? this is the guy to take on the establishment. this is the guy to change the game. something that i hoped would happen. unless he comes out with concrete examples of what he'll do it could really turn wall street up and down and all those 401(k)s from all his followers, their net worth could fall further. >> you're talking about when you say a huge, huge correction what does that mean? you think stocks will go down what 20%? how bad could it be. >> it could be 20%. now with high frequency trading, accelerating, you know, strong moves in any direction, it could
be worse than that. how long? i don't know. it doesn't necessarily mean we'll roll into a recession but i don't think there's any question. let's add to that not only is there uncertainty about his programs but he's taken us into an isolationist mode. if you're going to be isolated in a global economy with currencies, you know, depending on each other, with central banks trying to work together and sometimes against each other even in an isolated world that's the worst thing possible. i mean you cannot -- this is a global financial environment. you can't act as a standalone entity. >> america, one of the things about you and donald trump you're a reality tv star, there's certain similarities between two of you on paper. >> at least i'm a billionaire. >> you have questions about his net worth as well, right? >> it doesn't matter. whatever he's worth he's worth. he's worked his butt off to get
here. >> you are not afraid of insulting people or hurting their feelings when you feel strongly. that's part of the reason why you're a star on shank tank. here's a clip. >> my b.s. meter is going through the roof. >> are you serious? are you that clueless? seriously are you that clueless? >> some people watch that and say okay there's similarities with donald trump. do you think this is why people are recruiting you to run? >> possibly. probably. for 0 two reasons. one they get to see a little bit about me if they watch ""shark tank"" or fans of the mavericks. two they have done their homework and they know i understand business. three, they know i tuned media. just like donald if you look at my history in sports i can get access to media any time, anyhow and take advantage of it which donald has done very well to get himself to this point. >> at the beginning of the campaign you have changed.
i want to be clear. at one point you talked about donald trump, you said he's making everyone else become more real, more honest, less skriptd and that's good for politics. you now said look, since then he hasn't taken the time to learn, he hasn't taken the time to become nuanced. the question is how smart do you think donald trump is? >> probably not as smart as he thinks he is. look i like donald. i think he's done a lot of great things. when it comes to real estate i'll defer to him every time. but to be president of the united states you have to make an investment, you have to be committed to always learning. in business to be a great ceo, to be a great investor, to be a great entrepreneur, it's not that you won't fail -- everybody is fail. anybody who is great has had failures. you have to have a commitment to learning. you have to have a commitment to find out what's next. donald won't even do that. there's certain things that i think have to happen in order to
have someone lead this country and when donald first got into race i was excited. he definitely changed the game. he deserves credit for that. as i said back then, don't listen to what he says, listen to how he says it because we need ad change. i just expected him to approach it a lot differently than he has. >> so, mark, if the election were today, literally today, may 16th and either hillary clinton or donald trump who gets your vote? >> fortunately it's not today and so i have six months. but i probably would say right now it would be hillary because the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. i know what hillary's positions are. i can go hillary's website and there's details. go to donald's website. he lists issues. he lists top line things he would like to do. he doesn't say how he's going to get there. the hardest part in any business, the hardest part in running this country is the
execution of what you intend to do. easy to talk about it. easy to draw headlines. easy to discuss headlines. very, very difficult because you have to work through the political system. i don't think he's demonstrated at this point that he has a plan to do those things for his top line agenda. >> mark cuban, thank you very much. appreciate your time tonight. next inside donald trump's fight against the media. plus hillary clinton saying she knows what role she would give bill clinton if she were elected president. are voters really getting a two for one deal? donald trump with fond memories of his college days. >> i was really a good student at the greatest school, the wharton school of finance. >> what do his former classmates remember? you'll see "outfront". we're out ink.nk. not ink. getting ink doesn't have to be painful.
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newing tonight donald trump right now unleashing a series of blistering tweets targeting the "new york times". trump taking the article's writers and paper. brian, this is definitely, he's unleashing fury at this moment. what he is saying >> trump continuing this story. actually giving it more attention by attacking the "new york times" so many times. we'll show a couple of thing he said tonight including this one calling the "new york times" failing, saying no wonder the "new york times" is failing who can believe what they write after the false marks lie show us and libelous story they did on me. he continued on by saying there were 50 women interviewed for the story and yet they only wrote about six. that's because there were so many positive statements. he's suggesting the other women interviewed were more positive. in fact there were other women more than six that were included in the story the lead antedote
is the woman who came out this morning criticizing the story saying the "times" spun her words. trump said what she said proves the entire story is a fraud. he called into "new day" to make sure the producers saw the interview. it goes to show how trump tries to control and influence the news cycle. he's anti-immediate area radically negative about media at the same time he takes great advantage of it. >> thank you very much. a spokesperson for the donald trump campaign, matt lewis senior contributor at the daily caller and a hillary clinton supporter. thanks to all. matt let me start with you. this is the presumptive nominee, republican nominee. he's out on a twitter tirade right now. as brian so importantly pointed out he's drawing more attention to this story by fighting back against it, something that he's
obviously purposely doing. what do you think? >> well, look, i think obviously the "new york times" made a big mistake the way they framed this story with the lead being somebody who later went back and debunked it and essentially said i was taken out of context or misportrayed. i don't need the "new york times" to tell me that donald trump has a problem with women. i've seen how he treats megyn kelly and carly fiorina. he's a twice married casino magnate. the "new york times" interviewed 50 people. one of them obviously did not work out for them. but the question is, does donald trump have the character to be the president and if republicans say he does i think we probably owe bill clinton an apology because all i heard in the '90s how bill clinton was this bad character and couldn't be trusted, and so maybe we should apologize to bill clinton. >> rowanne brewer lane, the woman who is prominently
featured in the article and there was a story in there, she was at a party in about 1990 with donald trump. she at the time was 26 years old, a model. he kind of beckoned her inside. they go into a room. he has all these swimsuits and, asked her to put one on and she does. the story is not something she disputes. she disputes the encounter is portrayed in a negative light. here she is fold by the "new york times" response to how they wrote this up. >> they only took very small bits of my sentences and put them in a way, like, for instance, when i said that donald said that's a stunning trump girl my next sentence was i was very flattered by that comment. that's not what it says in the article. >> you know when i interviewed rowanne she was and the aback. it's pretty clear from the fact that she went on the date him
that she had a big experience with him, it was an encompassing one, it started off with her being asked to put on a bathing suit and taken out to the pool. by the end she was traveling with him to atlantic city in a helicopter and we quoted her warmly and at length. >> katrina, they made a mistake but the story facts remain the same. so that part does not change. >> well the context is what changed and i think she laid that out quite clearly in an interview this morning. this was a hit piece. to continue the narrative about donald trump and women particularly things from the past where there's been a lot of contention. here's the thing. a multibillionaire had girlfriends? that's not breaking news. someone who owns the miss universe beauty pageant likes beautiful woman. that's not breaking news. for matt to contrast that with
bill clinton. donald trump was a private citizen. bill clinton was using his power. >> bill clinton didn't use his power. >> pulling them into the oval office and abusing women that's completely different. >> right. i think that's a valid point. really there's -- i'm not a prude. there's two things that matter when you elect a president. one a person of character who does what they say, keeps promise. the second is do they exploit people and take advantage of a position of power. here i think very clearly donald trump is taking advantage. this is a guy who is way older. as you mentioned a billionaire playboy. does he use power to basically take advantage of others? >> i didn't call him a billionaire playboy. i said he was a billionaire. >> there were a lot of other
women quoted in this article and none of the others to my knowledge at this point have come out and denand same sort of correction that miss rowanne brewer lane has. does the context matter that she was flattered and not insulted by him. >> i don't think so because what he said has not changed and she has not disputed that that is what he said. and when most women read what he said and what he did in terms of asking her to put on a bikini and then parading her out to essentially show her off is indicative of the kind of mindset which he looks at women and that is authenticate looks at them as nothing else than objects to be ogled or to be insulted if they are not pretty enough. this is a man who is interviewing to be the highest office, for the highest office in the land, to be commander-in-chief, to be the leader of the free world. and so voters get a chance to take a look at how he has acted
in the past because that's really the only way that you should be able to look at somebody and judge them and right now he has a failing grade in terms of how he treats women and you can see it in the hugely high negatives that he has among women. >> all right. >> the negatives mr. trump has for the unfavorables in women isn't because of that context. perhaps it's a personality context. they don't like the way he says things. even when there's an unfavorability for women we saw this in the primarys. they voted for him in droves. i'm glad the "new york times" stepped in at this time because is this narrative that will be pushed. they overreached and it will backfire. >> he won the republican priefrm. that's correct. he face as very different electorate in the general election where 53% of the
electorate are women and then a lot -- >> a whom has her own problem with women, terrorizing women and inti my dating women. >> okay. sorry. i think there's a little bit of an overlap. luckily for all of us we have six more months. "outfront" next hillary clinton firing back at donald trump doing her best donald trump impression. it's her best. we'll show it to you after this. what's it like to be a woman working for donald trump. we have one of them tonight. a top lawyer for trump organization. she will be my guest later on this hour. with my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid,
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the clinton campaign scrambling tonight. they are trying to clarify a statement from the candidate. she said that bill clinton would be in charge of quote, revitalizing the economy if hillary clinton is president. well today her press secretary said no, no, no, hold on. we're get head of ourselves to talk about any formalized role for anyone in her
administration. >> reporter: it's a political calculation that carries great risk and reward. >> i expect him to go to work. >> reporter: after first distancing herself from her husband's white house -- >> i'm not running for my husband's third term. >> reporter: hillary clinton is embracing it and revealing in clearer terms what bill clinton's role would be in a potential clinton administration 2.0. >> my husband, who i'm going to put in charge of revitalizing the economy. >> reporter: trying to capitalize on her husband's economic record while he was in the white house make it clear he'll have a prominent seat at the economic table. >> because you know he knows how to do it. and especially in places like coal country and inner cities and other parts of our country that have really been left out. >> reporter: bill clinton is already relishing i his potential assignment.
>> i want to go the places that have been left out and left behind. >> reporter: deploying him could be a huge asset for the clinton campaign. the former president is still widely popular. his favorablity ratings are high, much higher than his wife's, bringing the ability to bring out big crowds and get out democratic voters. telegraphing his role cube double edge sword with those benefits comes his baggage. a deep seated vulnerablity for the clinton campaign that trump has already exploited. designee lied. do you remember the famous i did not have sex with that woman and then a couple of months later, i'm guilty. >> reporter: as bill clinton's past indiscretions -- continue to be a flash point on the campaign trail -- trump using it against her. >> have you ever read what
hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? and they are going after me with women? >> reporter: not to mention bill clinton's own record that could come back to haunt her as well from i had 1994 crime bill -- >> that's not true. >> reporter: that's caused confront jays on the campaign trail. >> you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. trip to the trade deal, nafta that he signed into law. >> she doesn't understand trade. her husband signed perhaps in the history of the world the single worst trade deal ever done. >> reporter: today hillary clinton shot down point blank the question if her husband would be considered for her cabinet. the clinton campaign is pushing back a bit saying there's no formal role yet for her husband but in the same breath they say it would be foolish not to use bill clinton in some capacity.
>> joining me now a senior adviser to president bill clinton he's a hillary clinton and bill been knit. richard let me start with you. hillary clinton puts this out here, bill clinton will be in charge of revitalizing the economy. and then her press secretary said oh, no, no we don't have any formal roles for anybody. why walk that back? >> i don't think she was walking it back. first she has to be elected president before she choose as cabinet. i don't think anybody will put president bill clinton in her cabinet. in term of the economy, bill clinton was the most successful president of any president in our lifetime. i mean 22 million jobs were created, we had 4% economic growth. in read somewhere today that bill clinton created more jobs than the four other republican presidents combined during the last four republican presidents combined. >> he had the internet. >> he had a lot else going for
him him. why not put him front and center. there's been no better more successful job creator in history. it would be good for her and good for the country and good for work people which she will be fighting for every day. ultimately you're right alexandr elections are about the future. she has to shape her own policies. he'll be an adviser. >> i imagine it's some sort of rcn as a czar which is an overused word. this is pretty much the most important job. it is the most important job one could argue foreign policy at times but for most americans the economy is the most single important job. she said she will put bill clinton in charge of that. >> she didn't walk it back, she sprinted it back. i think there's a larger problem here and that's -- we're going back to the past. you know just demonstrates she's
been around a long time and people are looking for someone to really change washington. bu bulld orc bulldoze washington. >> i don't think the policies of bill clinton years will work. it's a new day. there's different challenges. >> sounds like he shouldn't be the guy. >> i don't think she's suggesting that the policies of the '90s are the policies that will put people back network but bill clinton -- you know, the presidency is a very complicated job. it's the most complicated job in the world. so to have someone advising you who has been in that role, you know, up close and personal is invaluable. so i think his advice will be invaluable. obviously this election will be about the future. who has a better vision of the future. who is going wake up every morning and think about the american people. so her policies are going to be
her policies. >> bill clinton being a part of this does raise some questions because donald trump has said his strategy get people to look hard at her character, get people to ask themselves if hillary is sincere because she's been ugly in trying to destroy bill's mistresses. once hillary clinton makes bill clinton more of a formal part of her campaign, does she leave herself open to this attack. does this put all of that baggage on to the table fairly >> she's going to name him her economics czar then yeah he's on the table. it's almost impossible, though, for her not to have him be an issue in this campaign. in the 1990s he ran as a moderate centrist, right? he was part of the, i forget what name of the group was, the moderate democrats. she's running trying to get to the left of bernie sanders who is running as a progressive. big shocking change. >> i think she said she's a
progressive democrat who likes to get things done and, of course, bill clinton, you know, bill clinton the bill clinton experience will of course be an issue but i don't think the american people the end of the day will be interested in any of this tabloid stuff that's been around 30 years. this election will be about the future and who has the best policies and who has the best plan. >> before we go, i just want to play something. she's now imitating donald trump which is an interesting new strategy. she said this is what a debate would be like between them. here's hillary clinton. >> let's suppose here's the question, so what is your plan to create jobs? his answer is i'm going to create them, they are going to be great, i know how to do it. but i'm not telling you what it is i'm going to do. >> when is he going to tell us? >> he's already laid out his tax plan. he has a series of speeches coming in the next few months. but i mean it's clear that washington doesn't get it.
i mean the regulations that have been layered on us in the last, even during the clinton administration and bush administration have stifled the economy. our manufacturing sector is gone for all intents and purposes. we need america first. we need a president who cares not about the future as much as the problems we're face. i don't mean lofty letters about the future, i want to know why schools aren't teaching. >> i do agree when the plan is announced it's going huge. >> huge. >> yuge. it's going to be yuge. >> at least you're in agreement on the pronunciation. >> donald trump at his alma mater standing just a few feet away from joe biden at upenn's graduation. a look at trump's college days. what is it like as a woman working for donald trump? well we have one and you're is going to hear her honest answer. we'll be back.
together, family. that's why joe biden and donald trump were both in philadelphia sunday at the university of pennsylvania celebrating the graduation of trump's daughter and biden's granddaughter. for donald trump this was a return visit to the penn campus home of his alma mater the wharton school. >> so i went to the wharton school of finance which is considered the best business school. >> reporter: it's the education that donald trump boasts about. >> i was a good student. >> reporter: that's swagger was something his wharton classmates noticed decades ago. >> don't had the ambition and drive and made that very obvious from the beginning comparing himself to one of the most successful and wealthiest realtors in manhattan. he said i'm going to be the next bill zeckendorf but i'm going to be better. i remember seeing the expression on my chassis mates faces. we're thinking who the hell does
he think he is. >> reporter: it was the fall of 1966 and donald trump just transferred the wharton school of finance from fordham university in the bronx. >> donald had good concept for corporate and brand image from the beginning. >> reporter: the last time he saw trump was on graduation day in 1968. >> and he was friendly guy. he didn't brag about power or money. >> reporter: his trump tales are at the forefront of his memory. but on the campus there's not much talk about the brash millionaire. trump's name isn't branded on wharton's campus. the buildings are named after other rich donors like john huntsman sr..
trump's name is only seen inside the library where a simple plaque thanks the class of 1968 for a donation. >> donald. they repower to him more as of an entity. >> it's disgrace. >> reporter: donald's bravado today was presents on the wharton campus 48 years ago. >> what we're seeing is exactly what was there early on. >> reporter: three of donald trump's children fold in his foot steps. donald jr. and ivanka grewed from wharton while tiffany took class there's. while he often praises the school and his education, donald trump took a bit of a different take in his 1986 book "the art of the deal." he wrote that in his opinion, the wharton degree doesn't prove much and he also said it didn't take him long to realize that there was nothing particularly exceptional or awesome about his fellow students. >> all right.
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investigation into his private interactions with women tweeting tonight no wonder the new york city is failing who can believe what they write after the false marks lie show us and libelous story they did on me. this comes after one of the main woman quoted in the article said her words were taken out of context. he invited her to a party, invited her inside, had a bunch of bathing suits. "new york times" described that as a debasing situation. she said she felt flattered. the vice president and assistant general counsel for the trump organization. jill in this article you were one of the few who had something to say positive about donald trump. when you read the whole article which included many more stories, what was your reaction? >> i was talked of their positive experiences, so when "the new york times" said this is a sampling of 50 women we
interviewed, it was misrepresentative, they chose not to print the positive testimony that was given to them by the many successful women that work for the trump organization and worked with mr. trump for many years. >> so you worked for him i believe almost six years, right? >> that's correct. >> how would you describe him? could you give an example of an interaction you've had with him as a woman that you think is representative? >> you know, i think he has been such a positive influence on not only myself but other women. you know, i came to the organization as a fairly young attorney. he has given me opportunities that i definitely wouldn't have had elsewhere. he has given me opportunity to succeed in my career but balance with my family. that's a challenging thing as a female attorney. he let me do that without skipping a beat. i've seen him do it with many other women. i think i have a unique
perspective. i am the lead employment attorney for the entire organization, so i see on a day-to-day basis how positively he impacts the women that work for him and i don't see these negative comments coming from his work force. >> and you would see that as your role as lead employment attorney. as you know, donald trump has a history of making comments about women and their looks. here's a few of the things he has said publicly in the past. >> rosie o'donnell is disgusting, inside and out. you take a look at her, she's a slob. we are all a little chubby, rosie is worse than most of us. >> a view a person who is flat chested is very hard to be a 10. you have to be extraordinary, you have to have the face of vivian lee to be a 10 if you're flat chested. >> so jill, when you hear those things, are those at odds with the man you know? >> i think those comments are
taken, they're in a different context, they're not in the everyday business world that we see mr. trump working in. i think when you work with him day-in and day-out, you see him to be a great leader that really inspires everyone around him, treats everyone equally. look, if he's going to comment about rosie o'donnell, that's not because she's a woman, that's because he has comments about rosie o'donnell. he would make the same comments about a man if he felt that way about a man. he treats everybody the same regardless of their gender. >> jill martin, quick final word. he used falls, malicious, libellous. you as lawyer for the trump organization, are you planning to file suit against new york times? >> quite possibly. yes. outfront next, exclusive video of the most violent day in
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interview that sheds light on what happened that day. >> reporter: it was a bloody showdown between two rival motorcycle clubs. even those that were there are still trying to unravel how and why nine bikers were killed in a vicious gun fight at the twin peaks restaurant in waco, texas. two rival bikers who've never spoken publicly about what happened are talking to cnn. this is dean, a member of the group that asked us to hide his identity. he says after months of bad blood with the ban detroit owes, the cossacks came to make peace. >> my intention was to have a sit down, let the bosses talk, say we are here, shake hands, we're going to respect one
another. >> reporter: the ban detroit ohs call it an ambush. jake was the first to pull into the parking lot where dozens of cossacks were waiting. >> they started cursing at us, telling us you ain't parking here. >> reporter: video of the scene obtained by cnn captures the beginning of the melee. >> from then on it escalated. >> reporter: you see him there with the yellowcossacks, and i didn't know if i was ever going to walk away from there. get those guys off me to get out of that situation. >> reporter: in the chaos, dean says he saw a ban detroit owes biker fire the first shots and
felt appearsing pain through his body. >> i remember the blood coming out of me, the pain. people around me being shot. >> reporter: donald charles davis writes about outlaw bikers on a website called the aging rebel. >> it is the most bizarre, biggest biker story. some were acting out sons of anarchy fantasies in their head. >> you have been investigating this more than a year, you have exclusive footage after exclusive footage. what shocked you? >> that last piece, the wide dash cam video, i can't tell you how many times i have seen it. every time you look, there's another snapshot, moment in that scene, oh look at that, at this, it is unbelievable how much detail. investigators are having to go through that as well as they try to piece together a story line of all of the bikers there just outside twin peaks patio. >> it is stunning. ed has covered this from the beginning. been the only one able to get
this video, the shocking story. his special report, biker brawl, airs tonight at 9:00. thank you for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. breaking news and 360 exclusive. first interview with donald trump's last rival. for one brief moment, ohio governor john kasich was the last man standing between donald trump and the republican presidential nomination. trump just won the indiana primary, ted cruz left the race, governor kasich had gotten what he wanted, a chance to go one on one with trump and prevail somehow at the convention in cleveland. instead, that same day governor kasich decided to end his run. he has yet to explain it in an interview because he hasn't given one since then. then there's speculation of drafting him to run independent, his name as a vice presidential pick