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they can try, but i don't think it's going to happen. what is the worst thing you could say about donald trump? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the real estate and reality show star turned presidential candidate says he is worth $10 billion. well, tonight, i'm going to talk to the man who says that just doesn't add up. and he says trump would have run out of money if he'd kept his promise to self-fund his campaign. plus, what's the truth about how donald trump treats women? he calls the "new york times" story on him, quote, false and malicious and libelous. i'll talk to the former girlfriend who defends trump. and a woman who was a top executive in his company. meanwhile, as we count down to tomorrow's kentucky and ohio primaries, hillary clinton takes him at the gop's presumptive nominee.
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>> what trump says about foreign policy is not just offensive, it's dangerous. and people know that you've got to have a steady hand in the white house. and it will be at the center of this fall campaign. because i don't think most americans want a loose cannon in the oval office. >> we'll get to all of that. but let's begin with donald trump's finances and the billionaire who says he is not voting for trump. here to discuss, barry bennett, the senior adviser to the trump campaign. peter grant, a reporter for the "wall street journal," and william cohan, contributing editor at "vanity fair" and author of "the price of silence." good to have all of you, and here on set with me in new york. barry, i'll start with you. billionaire mark cuban was cnn on erin burnett tonight and i'm sure you saw he had dire
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predictions about the economy if donald trump became president. listen to this. >> it's apparent that he really hasn't invested the time to really do a deep dive and understand, you know, the issues we're facing. and the things he says he wants to do. that's an issue. now, when you have that amount of uncertainty. when you're flip-flopping, you're not sure what the candidate's going to say from one thing to another. that uncertainty, potentially, as the president of the united states, that's the last thing wall street wants to hear. and i can say with 100% certainty that there's a really good chance we could see a huge, huge correction, unless he comes up with some concrete examples of what he's going to do, it could really turn wall street up and down. and all those 401(k)s from all of his followers, their net worth could fall further than donald's would. >> when you say a huge, huge correction, what does that mean, you think stocks could go down 20%? is that reasonable? how bad could it be?
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>> it could be 20%. now with high-frequency trading, accelerating strong moves in any direction, it could be worse than that. how long, i don't know. but i don't think there's any question. >> interesting. what do you say to that, barry? >> i'm not going to take investment advice or political advice from mark. i'll stick to -- i like his basketball team, but that's where i draw the line. >> but that's a pretty dire prediction, saying that the stock market is going to tank and there would be a major correction. >> i think it's pretty irresponsible and, you know, i don't -- i didn't see a lot of the market going short this afternoon after mark said that. >> listen, mark cuban was a -- he said, if on election day, if it were held today, he would vote for hillary clinton, he would not vote for donald trump. what do you say? he said she's more reliable. it's the devil you know. >> you know, what he said about market correcting, you know, i was last week out at the salt conference in las vegas, the hedge fund conference. a lot of republicans there.
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and what i realized was that a lot of these wall street republican guys are slowly coming around to donald trump. now, not so slowly anymore. i don't think they wanted him originally, but now that he's going to be the nominee, they're supporting him. and contrary to what mark cuban said, i think they think it's a good thing to have a businessman in the white house, an entrepreneur in the white house. that's what they're all very excited about now. >> they like the business part of it. >> they like the business part of it. which is interesting, because mark cuban is usually a good businessman, and i normally respect everything he says. but i don't think he's going to be right about that. i think if donald wins, the fact that a businessman is in the white house appeals to businessmen. >> i have to ask you this, peter, you're out with this new piece in the "wall street journal" that says, donald trump wouldn't have had the cash to self-finance his entire campaign, and then you do the analysis on this. trump doesn't have the cash to keep funding his own campaign. how did you come to this conclusion? >> well, we were given a road map last summer when trump filed a personal financial disclosure form. up until now, there's been a
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great debate about what trump is worth. now for one of the first times, he's had to lay that open to the public and do it on a federal form, with the office of government ethics. now, you can mince words a little bit when you're talking to the public, but you don't want to do that with the office of government ethics. >> i think you said about $160 billion before -- >> no, $160 million. >> excuse me, that was my bad. the point is that that isn't what he's worth. and that's the big issue that trump keeps talking about. that's how much cash he's making during the year and that's the available cash he would have to self-finance his campaign. >> so what would he have to do if he wanted to -- >> well, up until now -- >> he doesn't have the money, so there's nothing he could do. he could sell assets or borrow against his assets. >> but he doesn't want to do that. donald trump, i've been covering him for a long time, he's become more conservative in the latter stage of his business career, for debt. he also doesn't want to sell assets. in this personal financial
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disclosure, he said he had liquid assets want $78 to $232 million. he doesn't want to get rid of it all to self-finance, he doesn't want to be left with nothing in case he loses. so you used this disclosure, sort of as where we start. so where do you think he is? is he close to $10 million or $11 million? >> i'm not going to go towards his value, because that's a -- how much is donald trump worth? >> but it's a big deal for him. >> it is, but what's more key in this election year is how much dough he has. how much money does he have. >> liquid. >> because that's what you need to pay for commercials, to pay for airplanes, to pay for staff. you need cash. >> it's interesting that peter says this $160 million number. when i interviewed him a few years ago, before he was the candidate, he told me in that atlantic piece, he told me he had $1 billion in cash. $1 billion in cash, which would be more than enough to fund -- >> let me just tell people about the piece. it's a piece in "the atlantic"
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and it's called, what exactly is donald trump's deal? is he a buffoon, a genius, an exploration of a man, his brand, and his chronic bluster. so you found out, he told you $1 billion. >> he told me on the record he had $1 billion in cash available. now, i don't see any evidence of that. just like i don't see any evidence that he's worth $10 billion. i think actually now he's saying he's worth $11 billion. i don't see any evidence of that. the reason i don't see any evidence of that is he's never made any of miss personal business projections available. he released that net worth statement, which said $10 billion in capital letters, but that doesn't mean he's worth $10 billion. >> the form is that thick. >> it doesn't add up. you need projections. >> i understand you need projections. but he had to provide everything that he's an officer, that he owns. >> i agree with all of that. but doesn't mean he's worth -- >> i have no idea what he's worth, nor do i think it matters. >> you say it doesn't matter. it doesn't, to anybody else.
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any other presidential campaign. but he said, i'm a businessman, i'm worth this, i'm not going to release my taxes. when you said at the top of the show, what is the worst thing you could say about donald trump, so the pretty bad things have been said, but i think he would take offense the most to saying he's not worth what he says he is. and some people say, that's why he won't release the tax return. >> the tax return the never going to show your net worth. it's just going to show your income. which you've done the calculation, and he says it's $160 million a year. pretty good in my book. but the amazing thing, through this whole campaign, is that, you know, he spent $37 million or $42 million, i don't know what the current number is in the campaign to win the primary. that's the fewest dollars spent per vote in modern political history. so, it's -- yes, he's got plenty of money. he's got access to even more. but, how well they spent it was pretty amazing. jeb bush went through $150 million. donald trump spent $37. >> there are big donors, though, who are concerned about donald
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trump and who are sort of sitting on the sidelines. how many times did trump attack all the other candidates for taking money from big donors, though? some of which he might not get, but he's going to get some of it. so he attacked them a lot. now he's basically doing the same thing he attacked them for. >> i mean, i think we're going to have to $1 billion or maybe even more for the fall. i don't know what hillary's going to have, but we need a competitive amount of money. but it's not all for the campaign, it's for the rnc, for the convention, for a bunch of different things, and the contributions are all over the place. plus, there's a bunch of super pacs over there. there's going to be plenty of money. >> you think there'll be plenty of money. the rnc -- and the rnc, basically, in a way, is rescuing him, right? is that right? with the money he'll get from them and from the donors? >> he's not going to get any money from them. he'll raise money for them. >> he'll get plenty of money. i think the tide is turned on that. i think the people sitting on the sidelines have now decided,
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donald's the guy, we've got to support this guy. t. boone pickens the other day out in las vegas was saying, i can't wait to have this guy in the white house. i can't wait to have a businessman in the white house. so he clearly is opening up his checkbook. >> if the tax returns doesn't show -- i know everyone keeps saying wi s saying, why keep ask about the tax returns. because every other president has done it since the 1970s. if it's not indicative of how much money he has or how much he's worth, why not just release them? or why not release the years that are not under audit. >> he's talking about releasing the years that are under audit as soon as the audit had been completed. but it will show charitable contributions and what his marginal tax rate is. no one in america cares. they far more what their marginal tax rate is than they do donald trump's? >> do you agree? >> i don't. donald has made such a big issue about his net worth and how much money he makes every year.
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and i think it's important for people to see what a presidential candidate, let alone a president, pays for taxes. and it would be his income and how charitable is. he's got this octupi-like financial statement and it would be interesting to see that. >> but america knows the tax system is rigged and the really rich pay less than a marginal tax rate than everybody else. >> and he would probably say the same things about the taxes that he'd say about bankruptcy. he'd say, i'm just using the system. >> yeah, carried interest, these guys get away with -- >> here's what newspaper editorial boards are calling on. they're calling on donald trump to release his tax returns, saying that he should be willing to show he's lived up to his tax obligations and that voters deserve better than trump's haughty contempt. do you see him releasing the tax returns before november? >> i don't know how close the
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audit is to being over. >> i don't think the audit's the issue. i think he could release his tax returns without the audit. i think he will release something before november. >> there are reports tonight that donald trump has hired a veteran pollster, a strategist. his name is tony febresio who worked with governor rick scott in florida. can you confirm that? >> i haven't talked to them, but we'll be bringing pollsters into the campaign. >> so no confirmation? >> i can't confirm that. >> william, can i talk to you about this? you mentioned this piece you did in the atlantic. what exactly is donald trump's deal? a buffoon, a genius, an exploration of the man, his brand, and his chronic cluster. if you wrote that in 2013, what would your conclusion be? >> he's a master showman. he's unbelievable. this is why i think his tax returns are important and net worth are important. i don't understand why people who are -- have had a difficult
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time economically, who have now thrown so much of their support for him, who want to see change, why they think a guy who lives on fifth avenue, who flies around in a 757, who's worth something, some amount of billions of dollars, who lives in a pink marble mausoleum up in the sky is going to help them? i don't understand why they put so much faith in this guy. it's absolutely a mysterioy. >> isn't it because many people think, maybe he can get me there or somewhere close. >> does it really work that way? i don't think so. >> does it work that way? >> maybe a bulldozer's license. >> thank you, gentleman. appreciate it. when we come right back, will the general election come down for the battle for ohio? and does donald trump have a shot there? plus, why trump says bernie sanders should make a third party run. we'll be right back. wanna drink more water?
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ohio is a crucial state in the november election, and the candidate who wins it may well become the next president of the united states. so i want you to listen what ohio governor john kasich says about donald trump, his former rival for the gop nomination. he spoke to cnn's andersons cooper. >> do you think ohio is a hillary state or a trump state? >> i think if you're not a unifier, you have a big problem.
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>> it doesn't work in ohio? >> i don't think it does. you cannot come into here with the glass half empty and polarize people and think you're going to win ohio. >> let's discuss now with larry sabato, director for the center of politics at the university of virginia. good evening to you. i want to start with what -- with what governor kasich said to anderson cooper. he said that he has real doubts that trump's message will win him in ohio. what do you think? too early to say that? >> well, it is too early to say. and actually, trump does better in ohio than he does in many of the other states we heard bandied about as potential trump states, like pennsylvania or michigan. to me, what governor kasich said is more a hint about whether he would be willing to accept the vice presidency. no. >> yeah. there was a recent pole, larry, from quinnipiac, that showed trump leaning in ohio by a small margin, within the margin of error. should hillary clinton be concerned about this, 43-39%?
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>> i'm not sure i buy that poll. i think there were some problems with it. but i think to your question, hillary clinton should be very worried. the truth is that even though she should win based on everything we know about the direction in which the country's moving and the demographics, she is not a very good campaigner, and she doesn't fit the profile particularly well for a state like ohio. it's that blue-collar state that trump potentially could do well in. >> so you said you have issues with the poll. you don't think that it shows that he's actually leading? >> i think it that underweighted minorities. and remember, it was one of three. it also -- we also had a pennsylvania poll and a florida poll from quinnipiac, and all three of them have problems of one sort or another. i don't want to criticize it too heavily. i want to see some other pollsters go into these big states and show us what they find. because that's how you verify or
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debunk a poll. >> so when you look at the map overall, larry, can trump defeat hillary clinton in a general election? >> yes. is it probable? no. but can he do it? yes. how can he do it? suppose the country fell into a recession before november and it's possible. we're in the fourth longest economic expansion. just because economists say it doesn't look like it's going to happen, they always say that. and that doesn't mean it won't. second, while i don't want to discuss it in detail, you don't want to give anybody ideas, serious domestic terrorism could potentially help trump. he's benefited every time one of those acts has happened domestically or internationally. >> every current electoral college forecast does not favor trump. could that change by november? >> it could. it would have to change a lot. you know, my crystal ball operation has clinton ahead 347 to 191. you need 270 to win.
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so obviously, she's way ahead. but i'll tell you something, she's not ahead by the margin i would have expected in many of the swing states. you know, it is relatively close. and she's got a lot of work to do. >> there's been a lot of talk, though, about a third party run from the right. now trump himself is trying to encourage bernie sanders to run as an independent. who would be hurt the most by a third party candidate? would it be clinton or trump? >> well, they would both be hurt by different kinds of third party candidacy. hey, on bernie sanders, suppose he took the green party nomination. we remember a guy named ralph nader, right, from 2000, who nationally won just 2.7% of the national vote. he almost certainly cost gore both florida and new hampshire. if gore had even carried new hampshire, forget about florida, he would have been president. >> i want to look at some new polls. let's look at these unfavorable ratings. both trump and clinton have historic unfavorability ratings,
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that's according to the last cnn/orc poll. 56% for him, 49% for her. do you expect those to change much between now and the election? >> the candidates will be working to decrease the unfavorables. the amusing part of it is, the campaign they're going to run, a scorched earth campaign, will probably increase the unfavorables on both sides. in the end, people will go to the polls to vote against the candidate they hate most. >> that's not unprecedented. to these numbers, yes. people do that all the time, but to these numbers, amazing to see. thank you, larry. up next, donald trump versus "the new york times." he slams the newspaper for its story about his treatment of women over the decades. i'll talk to two women quoted in the article.
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. donald trump slamming "the new york times," calling its story about him and his treatment of women a hit piece and a fraud. "the times" standing by its reporting. i want to talk about this now with a former model who was a companion of trump for a time. good evening. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> you were prominently featured
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in the new york times article everyone is talking about, it's called "crossing the line: how donald trump behaved with women in private." you don't like it. what do you take issue with? >> i don't like it because they didn't tell the story the way i told them. they did not report it properly, and they told me they would take care of making sure my story came across the way i told it, and that is the farthest thing from the truth. >> it starts about how you met donald trump, you were talking about a pool party, at mar-a-lago in the '90s and you said, for some reason, donald seemed a little smitten with me. he just started talking to me and nobody else. he suddenly took me by the hand and he started to she me around the anxious. he asked me if i had a swimsuit with me, i said no. i hadn't intended to swim. he took me into a room and opened drawer and asked me to put on a swimsuit. i went into a bedroom and tried one on. i came out and he said, wow. he brought me out to the pool and he said, that is a stunning
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trump girl, isn't it? so you were a model at the time and you said you were flattered and later went on a date with donald trump. did they misquote you? >> they misquoted me. what they did was, they put part of what i said together and then said that he paraded me around or asked people what they thought of me. isn't this a good-looking trump girl, or isn't this the type of trump girl, things like that, that i've been hearing. and what he actually said today was exactly that. you know, he said, well, she told me these events. and when it comes down to the bottom line, you know, basically what she told me is what we printed. and, you know, basically, it's basically, you could spin it any way you want, i guess, if you're a spin doctor. i just didn't like the way it came off. i asked them several times if it was a negative piece they were writing on him in general,
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because i didn't have anything negative to say with my experience with donald. and i was actually warned by some people that it can tend to get spun negative. and i said, that's impossible, because i'm not giving them a negative story. now, you read it for yourself and anybody else that's read it has come back to me and said, you know, why the negative undertone. and i said, it wasn't me. >> but there are others who thought, you know, that they had a -- they felt that donald trump were humiliated by him. what's your reaction to those stories? >> i wasn't part of those stories, i don't know. if they felt like they were humiliated by donald, that's between donald and them. my experience with donald trump is absolutely just straight-up. he was a gentleman. he was thoughtful. he was kind, he was generous. he was a gentleman, you know? and he and i had a lot of fun together. i didn't have a negative experience. >> do you think this comes as a surprise that a man who was
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going through a divorce would try to woo a woman? do you think that's a surprise to most people? >> no, i don't think it's a surprise. i mean, he happened to have a lot of money and that's, you know, we can't be mad at him for that. he happened to have a lot of money and, you know, he's a human being. he wanted companionship. we had a great conversation. we had a good time. we started, you know, getting to know each other there. he did seem a little more smitten with me. i have thought about it and said that i actually was a little bit older than some of the other models that were there. i was 26 and some of the other models that were there were a bit younger. so we probably had more in common, you know, and we had a lot of same things in common. so we did walk around and talk and got involved in a conversation that others weren't involved in. and when we were going back to the party, he asked me if i had a swimsuit. i had not. it wasn't a big deal. no, i don't think that he did anything wrong.
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i don't think either one of us did. i think what was wrong was having it made a big deal out of and acted like he was treating me like a piece of meat or something. >> our time is running short. i hate to cut you off, but he is saying that it was a hit piece. we had "the new york times" reporters on our air. they're basically standing by their article. what do you say to them? >> shame on you. you told me, many, many times that it was not going to have a negative connotation, that it was not a hit piece, over and over again, and that was basically -- i was lied to. >> would you be comfortable with him as president? >> i would support donald trump as president, yes. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all right. >> hey, let's bring in now barba barbara ress, you were also part of that story. and she's also the author of "all alone on the 68th floor: how one woman changed the face of construction."
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thanks for joining us. what was your experience with donald trump? was it what was portrayed in this "new york times" article? >> it was a lot more than what was portrayed in the article, but the article pretty much quoted me the way i spoke it. >> did you think it was negative? do you think there was an agenda attached to it? >> it's hard to say, you know, i think that you would probably come away with a negative feeling about trump, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there was an agenda to make it that way, maybe that the facts make it that way. >> so here's what the article shows trump in a couple of different lights. it said, some women found him gracious and encouraging. he promoted several to the loftiest heights of his company, a daring move for a major real estate developer at that time. he simultaneously nurtured women's careers and mocked their physical appearance. you like your candy, he told an overrate female executive who oversaw the construction of his headquarters in midtown manhattan.
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he could be lewd one moment and genuine the next. that was you. how did you feel? >> i was hurt. i had heard him make that comment. it wasn't exactly, you like your candy. i can't remember exactly what it was. i didn't want like the fact that he would say that to me, but it wasn't a big deal to me. >> would you say he's obsessed with looks? >> yes. to a degree, absolutely. >> explain that to me. how so? >> well, he would criticize -- for as long as i know him, he's always had comments on people's appearances, primarily weight. male and female. >> do you think that has helped or hurt him? quite honestly, one of the observations i had when i visited trump towers several times to do interviews with him, everyone is attract, attractively dressed, the building is very clean and efficient. do you think that has worked for him? is that a business attribute? or do you think that is a detriment to him in some way? >> it's certainly not a detriment. i don't know that it would work
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for him -- i think that people like to go into an office and see nicely dressed, nicely groomed people. whether they have to be models is something else. he used to literally have models. >> yeah, yeah. there was a point in the article where the article quotes that you detailing a meeting with donald trump and an architect and he said that women in california take care of their asses. where did that come from? >> it came out of nowhere. he said, i hear the women in marina del rey, you know, do that and i was very surprised, and the architect was surprised and it came and went. >> so did you ever say anything? >> no, i didn't say anything to him. this was in a period of time when i saw him changing. i worked for him for a long time. and on several projects. and we were very close at one point. and it was a small company, only about ten people. and he was very different then. and i saw him change over time.
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>> so you think he evolved? >> oh, absolutely,. >> when it came to these issues. >> was it a little bit over time these things happened? >> initially, he was extremely respectful to everyone and his mother was alive then and he had ivana and she was very important in the business and he had a lot of very strong women working for him. over time, he started talking about women, especially when he got involved with marla. >> so in your estimation, he devolved instead of evolved? >> i guess, devolved, yes. >> so he was gentlemanly. you think his mother played a role in that? >> i think his mother was a big influence of his wife, and ivana, sure. >> he says he loved women. polls don't necessarily show that. in a recent poll, 64% of women have an unfavorable rue soft him. are you surprised by that? >> not at all. especially with the comments that have come out now on howard stern and some of the things that he said in his book that people weren't paying attention to. >> are you grateful for the opportunity he ies he gave you? >> absolutely.
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and i think he's grateful he took a chance on me and i worked out very well for him. >> what would you say to him? do you still talk to him? >> i think he got a little annoyed at me about my book. i ran into him at a funeral and he was kind of nasty to me. but i would say, good luck with life, donald, you i don't think that you're, you know, should be president. >> you're supporting hillary clinton. >> i am supporting hillary. she's right on the women's issues and that's what's important to me. >> thank you, barbara. i appreciate it. it was a pleasure meeting you. >> you too. when we come right back, hillary clinton mocks donald trump. why she says she is looking forward to debating him. don't go anywhere. almost. intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪ because my teeth are yellow. these photos? why don,t you use a whitening toothpaste? i'm afraid it,s bad for my teeth. try crest 3d white. crest 3d white diamond strong toothpaste and rinse...
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donald trump's battle with "the new york times" getting a lot of attention tonight, but his reel achilles heel may be something else. joining me now to discuss is hilary rosen, kevin madden, and kayl kayleigh mcenany. so the trump campaign has hired tony debresio. i want to know your reaction. i believe you and hillary both know him and may have worked
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with him. what's your reaction? >> he is a very highly regarded and very experienced operative. i think one of the signs that, one of the signals that sends to the hillary clinton camp is that donald trump is professionalizing his operation. i think one of the criticisms you've seen from both republicans and democrats is that donald trump is not really running a real campaign and that he's winging it. i think someone like tony febresio, he'll bring a certain level of discipline to the campaign that is much-needed. and if you look at who he's worked for in the past, folks like rick scott and matt bevin. both candidates who worked as outsiders, who were previously businessmen who shook up the status quo. that's exactly the kind of persona donald trump is trying to bring to the presidential race. >> i see you, hillary, nodding in agreement. i won't even ask your response,
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because you were nodding in agreement. so what's the bigger problem for donald trump? the issue he may or may not have here? is it with women or not releasing the taxes? >> well, look, i think when you're looking at numbers as high as they ever with the unfavorableties among women, that is going to be a very difficult challenge to overcome. 70% overall, but within the subset of republican women, as he looks to consolidate his base, he's facing a significant challenge. and in order for donald trump to win, he'll have to turn states that barack obama won in 2012 from blue to red. one of the keys to doing that is independents. places like columbus, ohio, philadelphia, think the suburbs of philadelphia and pennsylvania, or the suburbs of denver in colorado. independent women are key to winning those areas. so one of the problems he has
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with women is he's very high on unfavorabilities among those independent women. that is a significant challenge he'll have to overcome in the coming months. >> and hilary, he did not say that taxes were an issue, so dudo you think -- what's the bigger issue? or will both be issues? >> i don't think those are our only two choices. >> those are the ones in the news. >> and you made some news here tonight, don. all day long, donald trump has been saying that this "new york times" article about his relationships with women was a load of bull, because this ex-girlfriend who he dated for five or six months actually really liked him, even though she came across in the story as having been, you know, the victim of some lechry on his part. but then you had a woman who really knows him, who worked with him for many many, many years in the trump organization,
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who helped to build his company, and she said, well, of course, it was all true and she's horribly -- she's disappointed with him. and she's with hillary. so i think someone who worked with him for all those years trumps a short-term girlfriend who appreciated his generosity. i think when you look at the things that will matter to women, who kevin is correct, who are the swing voters, you know, their economic security, their national security, those things will matter the most. >> and i think there's a lot of food for thought in some of the ways that trump is suggesting he's going to deal with people on those -- >> let kayleigh get in. >> i agree, we should look to people in his company to see what they say about donald trump. and just a few hours ago on "outfront," we had the employment lawyer for donald trump's organization, who was also quoted in the article come out and say, the article was bogus, it was very negative,
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many people were taken out of conte context. >> well, she's currently on his payroll. she's on his payroll! >> but if they really want to show this article as credible, for them to come out and say it's positive and negative when the title of the article is "crossed the line," and they put 12 highlights in the article, which are all negative. ra perhaps you should make your highlights more than just negative highlights. it's completely bogus to say this is anything more than a hit piece. >> if you think of it this way, is anyone surprised that someone who has as much money as donald trump, who was a single man, or in the middle of a divorce, or what have you, would be trying to woo a good-looking -- that shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. but to people who work for him, that's more of an important issue than trying to woo some mod model. >> so, look, the reason thing
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the article is somewhat of a nothing burger, people assume he's somewhat of a misogynist, that hee likes to owning the miss universe pageant, because he spent a lot of time being interested in younger women. he's been through multiple divorces. i don't think that this is a huge surprise to people. the idea that he is freaking out over his all day long is kind of amusing to me. i think it's really in some respects a distraction. >> can i just -- we're going to come back, kevin, before we go to break, do you want to say anything about this? >> i think the big differentiator here is the volume. there are anecdotes where there are defenders of donald trump. the bigger problem here over the period of 20 to 25 years, there have been a whole host of people who have come out and criticized him for his treatment of women or things he's said.
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and i think that bigger volume is what's at risk of shaping women voters' opinions about him overall. and that's something he'll have to deal with very directly right now over the next coming months. >> kayleigh, quickly. >> his frustration with "the new york times," it's more than just this. they've made a concerted effort, "the washington post" has 20 investigative reporters on donald trump. they were asked if they had 20 on hillary. >> i thought they said virtually the same amount of people. >> he completely punted the question. and last week, "the washington post" did a hit post on donald trump supporters, i was included in that. a hit piece on this latest scandal, basically, where he posed as a representative. why don't they do this to hillary clinton supporters? why has no one talked about how the kkk grand dragon endorsed hillary in california. why don't they come out and talk about how disn'tful she was.
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why are "the new york times" and "washington post" not touching that? >> welcome to presidential politics. >> can i just say that i think it's laughable that we have somebody suggesting that hillary clinton has been, you know, the recipient of favorable press over the last number of years. give me a break. there's nobody who's been more scrutinized, who's been undressed and more dressed than hillary clinton. >> we'll continue this conversation and talk about mark cuban who says he'll vote for the candidate he calls the devil you know. we'll be right back. wanna drink more water?
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[ bleep ] themselves. >> does donald trump really speak for you? priorities usa is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> kevin, it's interesting to watch. he says a counterpuncher might -- i wonder if he'll hit back and go after bill clinton again? >> i think that's one of the big challenges hillary clinton will face. i think one of the things the clinton campaign will want to do is align themselves with women voters on the issues and try to draw contrasts where they think maybe donald trump has been too extreme or has turned off a lot of women voters. but one of the challenges they're going to continue to face is donald trump is so unpredictable. as soon as hillary clinton tries to make this an issue-based campaign, he's going to make it a stylistic campaign. and one of the things he's been -- he has done tremendously well in the primary, much to the bain of his opponents, was be able to shift the entire story line, so that we're talking about insults.
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or we're going over what the latest tweet of the day was. and when that happens, donald trump has the ability to dominate the conversation and have that conversation and that debate on his terms. that will be one of the key advantages that he has running against hillary clinton. and also, with that ability to cancel out some of the attacks on him, by elevating some of hillary clinton's past transgressions, when she was part of the team that was prosecuted some of bill clinton's accusers. >> i'm short on time. i want to get hilary in. what do you think of that? >> i think it's true when you go and try to trade insults for insults, he's going to win, just because he's a, you know, a master insulter. i think, you know, that the -- you know, this ad is really interesting. i'm sure it's been focused group and people love it. so they decided to run it. but i actually believe with independent voters and particularly independent women, you know, the idea that trump is not for the little guy, when it
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comes to economic security. you know, and that has to be so much of hillary clinton's argument. that, you know, he says that he cares about student debt, but yet, you know, he had a scam at trump university for years, where he, you know, took people's money. he says he cares about workers, but yet in bankrupt companies, it's the construction guys that don't get paid. those are the issues that really have to end up resonating with people. >> i want kayleigh to get in here. kayleigh, mark cuban was on today and he said, it's the devil you know. and he thinks that, to her point, hillary clinton's policies are better and there's more to know about her than him. >> yeah, i think that his predictions, i saw his clips a little earlier, were very cryptic. he doesn't know where donald trump stands. i firmly know where he stands. i think most americans know where he stands on trade. that he is free market and for lower taxes. but on the edges of those policies, we have to have nuance and the ability to negotiate and hillary clinton doesn't have that. she'll change the second 50% of america becomes for one side of
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the policy, she'll completely change her viewpoint. donald trump's willing to budge ton edges, he's not going to budge o on principle like hillary clinton has repeatedly time and time again. >> kevin, hilary, kayleigh, appreciate it. thank you. we'll be right back. we're out of ink. ink. not ink. getting ink doesn't have to be painful. staples just cut ink and toner prices. add in our 110% price match guarantee and our prices are unbeatable. staples. make more happen. a♪ should i stay or should i go? travel season fo♪ nothing. this summer at choice hotels the more you go the better. now get a free $50 gift card for staying just 2 times. so go. book now at you always have a choice. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries
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that's tomorrow. and we'll be here at a very special time tomorrow with more. tomorrow at midnight. that'll be fun. get your sleep now and stay up and join us. "a.c. 360" starts right now. good evening and thanks for joining us. tonight, breaking news in a "360" exclusive, the first interview with donald trump's last rival. for one brief moment, ohio governor john kasich was the last man standing between donald trump and the republican presidential nomination. trump had just won the indian primary, ted cruz had just left the race, and kasich woke up getting what he wanted, to go one on one with trump and prevail at the convention in cleveland. instead, that same day, governor kasich decided to end his run. then there's the speculation about him being drafted to run as an independent, his name being floated as a vice presidential pick and whether or not he'll throw his support behind donald trump.


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