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>> oh, my gosh, get out of here. >> gonzalez is now usc's oldest grat wait. >> that is wonderful. gre great. time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> it took half the time for costello to graduate. >> i'm not sure if that's okay, whatever you say. thank you, you guys have a great day. "newsroom" starts right now. and good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you for joining me. bluegrass, red state. polls open across kentucky, including this voting site in louisville. but today's primary in the republican leading state only features democrats. hillary clinton and bernie sanders. they're fighting for 55 delegates, and clinton has invested heavily in winning that state. she needs to stop sanders' recent surge, and he is expected to do well in oregon.
the first polls opening there this very minute. sanders need a big win to chip away at clinton's delegate lead. no such drama for donald trump. the last republican standing, each delegate nudges him closer to the nomination, but knocked off message by an unflattering news article that could wind up in court. let's begin with brynn, live in louisville. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. so far, polls have been opened for three hours. no problems to speak of just yet. actually a pretty good turnout at this location here in louisville. 300 people have voted so far, and i want to bring in one of those people. summer, a business owner here in louisville and someone who was agonizing for service months about who you were going to cast your ballot for today and you settled on hillary clinton. >> even when i got to the polling place this morning, i knew who i was going to vote for for all of the other contests on
the ballot. with the presidential, i didn't know what i was going to do. i almost chose uncommitted, but i also like bernie as well. >> what were you weighing throughout the process of five months, trying to figure this out? >> well, i love all of like the young energy that is behind the bernie sanders campaign, and i love that ptioptimism and i probably align more with the environmental and justice issues, but i'm almost a small business owner, and the $15 minimum wage is really scary to me. so i'm not sure how that would really affect our economy, and so that was really probably the thing that got me more into the hillary camp. but i've always liked hillary too. >> hillary making a strong push today. >> bernie has been here twice, so i think that they both have present and my facebook news feed has been full of everything
political. >> thank you so much for joining us this morning. carol, the polls will stay open until 6:00 tonight so we'll see how they do. back to you. >> all right, we'll check back. thanks so much. donald trump is revealing another shift in strategy, as his campaign focuses more intently on november. trump has hired a top pollster as a strategist, a move he has scoffed at for months. latest sign he is trying to widen his appeal and tam p down the lingering doubts. cnn phil mattingly is here with morning. hi, phil. >> no doubt that the donald trump campaign recognizes that they've entered a new stage. evolution, the campaign is expanding in new parts of the team, new fundraising apparatus. a lot of different issues that the kpanl is confronting. they don't have to worry about counting votes on primary night any more, but this a primary tuesday, and still plenty of work going on behind the scenes, setting up for a general election fight hoping he'll have
the entire republican party behind him. donald trump, changing his tone from bombastic -- >> i went to the wharton school of finance. i built a fortune. >> to everyday american. >> i view myself as a person. that like everybody else is fighting for survival. that's all i view myself as. and i really view myself now as somewhat of a messenger. >> as the anti-trump movement is struggling to find a figure head. unable to entice a candidate to join the fray with a third party run. >> a third party candidacy would be viewed as kind of a silly thing. i don't think it's appropriate. >> john kasich, the ohio governor and former presidential candidate telling cnn he won't take the plunge. >> i gave it my best where i am. and i just think running third party doesn't feel right. i think it's not constructive. >> billionaire mark cuban, also contacted about a possible run. also, in the no column. >> it's im important fpossible .
the hurdles are too great. ridiculous effort, so i passed. >> bill kristol, a very real effort with a small window to get it off the ground. they need a candidate. donor commitments, and a legal pathway. one that includes tens of thousands of signatures, just to qualify for ballot access. all as deadlines loom, or in the case of texas, have already passed. meanwhile, trump is battling with "the new york times" via twitter over their front page article, about his inappropriate behavior with women. trump's attorney, leaving the door open to filing suit. >> i think that's a distinct possibility. >> the "times" standing their story. >> pull back and how does he interact in the office with someone he is dating or trying to date. that's the purpose of the story. >> and carol, at least one of the woman featured in the story,
backing away from the perspective. barbara res, former chief construction officer, telling cnn this. >> would you say he is obsessed with looks? >> yes, to a degree, absolutely. >> explain that to me. >> i mean, he would criticize, for as long as i've known him, he has had comments on people's appearances and you know, primarily weight. male and female. i think people liked to go into an office and see nicely dressed, nicely groomed people, whether they have to be models is something else. he used to literally have models. >> and carol, this is simply an issue that is not going away. most interesting, watch donald trump react to it. a lot of candidates would run away, do their best to get it off the front pages. he is attacking this story relentlessly, and it is the most read story over the course of the last year.
>> phil, thanks so much. with me now to talk about this, cnn commentator, errol louis, and patricia murphy, a columnist for "the daily beast." welcome to all of you. before we dive into the woman thing. let's talk about john kasich for a bit. john kasich told anderson cooper he is not prepared to endorse mr. trump, and here is why. >> so just for the record, you're undecided whether you would endorse donald trump? >> yeah, i am. undecided. >> are you undecided whether you're going to vote for him? >> you know, at the end of the day, endorsing means a lot, and frankly, my wife and my daughters have watched this. if i were to turn around today and endorse him, they would be like why, dad. and that matters to me. >> okay, so errol, i saed i wasn't going to go jump into the woman thing, but john kasich did it for me. so should mr. trump worry? >> i think what john kasich did is what so many of the
republican leadership could or may be should have done for months now. which is simply to say, you know, not sort of a heavy handed approach, but just to say i'm not going to be with you if you act in a way i think is unworthy of a republican nominee, a president of the united states. john kasich has a soft touch when he makes that clear. that's the kind of thing trump should worry about. john kasich is a special case, we're going to be paying attention to him. there are other leader whose have big political organizations in key states. if they just sort of pull back, you know, they don't have to go out and pay for an ad or denounce him on television or blow up his phone with complaints, all they have to do is put out 75% effort instead of 95%, and he does have a problem. >> interesting. so of course, the democrats, hillary clinton's super pac, already capitalizing on what donald trump has said about women in the past. in fact, they just dropped a $6 million ad campaign, and patricia, i would like you to
watch this one. >> you know,
you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her, where ever. >> does sheaf a good body, no. do does she have a fat ass, absolutely. >> if ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps i would be dating her. you can tell them to go [ bleeping ] themselves. >> okay, so patricia, donald trump has already tweeted back against that ad. he tweeted out, quote, the pathetic new hit ad against me misrepresents the final line, quote, you can tell them to go blank themselves was about china and not women. but i guess everything else was true, patricia? >> well, yeah, and i think this is the problem that donald trump is going to run into again and again and again. he will continue to be held accountable for the things that he says and does. if that's something he can't handle, that's going to be a real problem for him. this is exactly like an ad that
they ran in the republican primary. it didn't work though, and that's because this is a notion that is reenforcing a concept about donald trump, among many women who already believe this. that essexist, he judges women by their looks. this man has run a beauty pageant. i don't think that's a surprise to anybody. a more serious problem, especially among independent women is his perception that he is unstable. that he would be a dangerous leader, he doesn't have the temperament to be commander in chief. that's where i think that democrats will be wise to go. saying donald trump is a sexist and that he says bad things about women is no news to anybody. but saying he is not fit to be commander in chief, you can't trust him with your children's future, i think that's where the fertile ground will be for democratic ifs they go there. >> kaley, ron brownstein brought that up yesterday. he said a lot of whip object to donald trump because of that tough guy image that he has, that maybe his tactic that violence at his protests are
okay if they're deserved, and women really aren't into that. >> well, here is the thing. he dismissed it many times when he saw violence at his protests. he went on don lemon's time, just in the interview 10 or 11 times. >> the perception is there. >> no secret donald trump's achille's heel is women. it is what could end his election. hillary clinton's is honesty. donald trump is women. he needs to remedy this. he needs to distance himself from some of the statements he made in the 1990s should he apologize for them. >> for the howard stern show, yes. he would really benefit from saying this is not me. i am a different man today than i was then. this is why republican women trusted me and voted for me in 18 states. this is why i've raised a daughter, to lead my company. i have many women that i'm empowered in my organization. but yes, he would benefit -- >> he doesn't apologize about anything. >> he doesn't, but i think he
should on this. >> he has never asked from forgiveness from god. >> he did once he said when cursing to his mother he said. >> i want to read another tweet along those lines. he is fighting back by counter punching, which is what he claims that he is, errol. so he is talking about hillary clinton, and if you could put the other tweet up. he says this morning, amazing that crooked hillary can do a hit ad on me concerning women when her husband is the worst abuser of women in u.s. political history. . he also calls hillary clinton an enabler. is that line of attack effective, errol? >> for certain kinds of voters, and i put myself in this category, i dismiss it entirely. because he is talking about tactics. she hit me, i'll a hit her. it is only slightly above the level of schoolyard taunting, and that's not how we can pick a president of the united states. i want to hear about nuclear policy, tax policy, i want to hear about the wage gap. i want him to talk about supreme
court appointments, that sort of thing. the back and forth about what he plans to do by way of insulting somebody about something that happened 20 years ago is of no concern. and i think much of the news media should probably just move beyond that. because it doesn't -- >> oh, no, it won't. >> but we should, i think we should try to make a stand here and sort of say that the fact that he wants to -- and look, if nothing else, you could certainly by way of analysis say he wants to talk about 20 years ago, because you can't talk to him about what he plans to do, because in a lot of cases, there is no plan, or it is not a plan that he is conversant with or a plan that he is prepared to defend. that's important. not just for hillary clinton, that's, you know, how she gets into that is her problem, but for the media, we need to let voters know, this is somebody obsessed with talking about anything, except the issues of the day. >> patricia, do you agree? >> you know, i want to agree with errol. i do think it would be wonderful
if we could stick stto the issu. but his demeanor is just as important as what he is saying. when he is out tweeting about elizabeth warren, calling her pocchonas in an interview, is this a normal person, a stable human being. what kind of man is tweeting at 2:00 in the morning about other people's lives. it is not normal behavior. it undercuts the message he is trying to send that he is a strong leader, ale he put america first. women in particular have concerns not with what he says about hillary clinton, but the way the personable destructive. >> sadly, i know women's husbands who have cheated on them, and it upsets them, because you're blaming them for their husband's cheating. >> sure. >> that's just kind of weird. >> we can you will empathize
with hillary clinton on that level, as anyone hurt by a male. but you know, i think what he is getting at and it is a very important point, she took those instances, after she knew about the cheating, she actively, according to linda tripp, demonized on the part of her husband. >> that may be true, and i want to ask you about that. your first instinct as a woman has been cheated on, i'm just generalizing here, would be to lash out on the woman who is committing adultery with your husband. >> if he has been cheating for decades, you're responsible who may have viable sexual assault claims. donald trump would be very wise to get some of the women. juanita broderick did, that would nullify the ad on the super pac. if he could get the victims of the sexual assaults and speak on his behalf.
>> errol, would that work? >> it would be an interesting approach. then we would end up re-litigating all of the things. you say juanita broderick, there are a lot of people that don't know who that is. the distraction from where we are now. there are a lot of people hurting now and looking for answers now. if this is where the campaign ends up, so be it. if that's what people want to hear about it, if that's where the candidates wants to take it, the news media should be constantly steering people back to the issues of the day. >> i'll leave it there. kaley, patricia, errol, thanks so much. should donald trump apologize for calling women dogs and pigs, and rating their bodies on their bust size? would it matter? i write about that this morning, trump calls the times, "the new york times" article a hit piece, some of his supporters do too. others also say mr. trump deserves forgiveness because
times have changed. psychologist, dr. gayle salts told me we haven't decided how we moral we want him to be. whether he or smhe believes in god, but you get the drift. check out the rest on cnn.c cnn./opinion. i welcome and thank you for your comments. still to come in the newsroom, the democratic race shifts to kentucky, as hillary clinton tries to stop bernie sanders' momentum. can hillary clinton shake off the coal controversy and get working class voters. dog person.en a my name is barbara and i make dog chow natural in davenport, iowa. now that i work there and see all of the care and the ingredients that go into it. i value the food even more. i feed yoshi dog chow natural because there's no artificial colors, preservatives and it's made with real chicken.
she trotted out a new line of attack against donald trump, impersonating his trademark style. >> so what is your plan to create jobs? his answer is, i'm going to create them, they're going to be great. i know how to do it. but i'm not telling you what it is i'm going to do. >> but what are kentucky voters views on jobs and the economy. christine romans joins me now. >> hillary clinton making a real investment in kentucky just a couple of weeks after narrowly losing indiana, and it looks more like indiana than they do west virginia. let's look at what some of the numbers are behind kentucky voters are feeling. they have after rain jobless rate, 5.6%. lower home price than the rest of the country.
manufacturing jobs have been slowly coming back here. here is why. you've got a diverse manufacturing base in kentucky and a lot of auto man knaoughta. a lot of different cars are built or assembled there. you've got a lot of other exports from kentucky, including aircraft engines and parts. i've talked about autos and urban whiskey, 90% of the bourbon comes from here. coal jobs has seen a resure jensz gence. white working class voters in particular here, in kentucky as she heads to the polls. she has made the investment, remember, kentucky was favorable ground for bill clinton.
she beat barack obama there in 2008. so clearly, they're hoping to flip the script on ken tuckdy. douglas brinkley, franklin d roosevelt and the land of america. thanks for stopping by. >> thanks for having me. >> you heard what christine said. bill won in kentucky, yet she is campaigning like mad. why. >> she can't afford to lose both tonight. she has a narrative that she is is not able to close and she keeps losing, until mid june, she might get the nomination, but something seems wrong. an enthusiasm problem. if she can win kentucky by one vote, it makes her look like she has momentum, it sort of flattens the narrative of bernie sanders. >> you know, and bernie sanders has been campaigning in kentucky too. he has drown huge crowds, hillary clinton has a couple of hundred people. you're right, there is quite the
enthusiasm gap there. is it because of her speaking style? does she -- i mean, doesn't she focus on -- what is it? >> i think her big problem in kentucky was her comment about coal. i mean, coal is pretty popular there. natural resources, and she wants to be the environmentalist there and it didn't quite work. she has brought bill clinton in to be he'll promise to help revitalize coal country. but she had to bring in bill clinton, the first time she threw the big card down, that's how much she wants to do well there tonight. the clinton campaign feels it is not do or die. she's going to get the nomination no matter what, but she needs momentum, and this would give her a big boost. >> let's talk about bill clinton. she throughout the term economic szar, but a former sitting president being part of the sitting president's -- that's just strange. >> it is going to be strange.
i think we should ban the word czar. i don't think americans like the czar any more. it was big in the 1980s and '90s. bill clinton had the largest peace time economic in history. she wants to showcase that. bill clinton left the country, balanced the budget and we had a surplus. that's great. on the other side, he signed nafta into law. it used to look like nafta was a big success, but you see donald trump shattering nafta saying it is the worst thing for america. so there are two sides of bill clinton, nafta, but the economic recovery. they're going to focus that he can bring the jobs back to these towns by attracting some kind of manufacturing like some of the auto industries to a state like kentucky. >> the other thing she brought up is obama care in kentucky. it is not called obama care in kentucky, it's working, but they elected a republican governor, who wants to repeal the whole
thing. so it seems like the state of kentucky is conflicted about obama care, even though it is working for that state. >> it is conflicted, but i'll tell you what works in hillary clinton's favor, because i was in lexington recently. it is a wonderful town. amazing city. a lot of people are starting to retire to kentucky. milder climates, you can buy a house for a relatively good price. a lot of them want quality health care. these are middle class people. obama care has popularity, but also protecting social security and medicare, traditional democratic issues. so i think hillary clinton has a chance to do well in louisville and lexington with some of the older demographics, while bernie sanders does well as always on the college campuses. >> the thing she has going is it is a closed primary. only democrats can vote. that kind of shuts down bernie sanders independents, right? >> exactly. that's big. that gives her a possibility here tonight. so i'm really excited to watch
it. i think, if you put money on it, i would call it a draw right now. i can't tell who will win there. but we know bernie sanders looks like he'll win oregon. you had so many mail-in ballots. it is a perfect demographic for bernie sanders. >> it could be a blow out there. >> nationally, kentucky is republican, it is a red state come the fall. >> douglas, thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom, deadly explosions rocking iraq's capital. we'll have the latest from baghdad, next. automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as "gunnery sergeant" when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and i'm a usaa member for life. usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. headache?
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cnn joe is in iman, jordan. hi, jimanin. >> reporter: hi, carol. as you mentioned, three suicide bombers. isis has claimed responsibility for one of the attacks, for a market in northeastern baghdad, saying it was carried out by a suicide bomber, who threw gr granades, another deadly attack, the deadliest of today's attacks in sodder city, the scene of a devastating attacks, where scores of women and children killed in another market bombing. today, at least 14 people killed, more than 50 others wounded. isis, there has been no claim of responsibility for the other two
taxe ta attacks, the real concern is the latest of a series of attacks, we've seen for more than two weeks now, some of them complex, some of them coordinated in and around baghdad, really raising concerns about what isis is doing here, and are we seeing a shift in tactics with isis attacking more civilian targets, especially in the capital. so a lot of concern about that, and we're also, it is coming at the same time we're hearing from u.s. and iraqi officials that isis has lost a lot of territory in iraq with more than 45% of the territory once controlled according to u.s. officials, but clearly, carol, after this campaign, violence that we've seen these past couple of weeks, isis has not lost the ability to carry out these sort of devastating attacks. >> thanks so much. the u.s. and other allies may soon be sending weapons to libya. they need arms and training to keep up the fight against
militant extremists. john kerry says the u.s. is open to the idea, with conditions. isis is gaining ground in libya, with thousands of fighters in the country. cnn's nick paton walsh just got back from lib yeah. he -- libya. >> reporter: carol, what's important to point out, john kerry is talking about maybe lifting the broad u.s. sanctions against arms being shipped to libya for the case of what he calls the got here. that itself is a complicated idea, because the newly installed government there, backed by the u.n., by america, by the western general and europe, that is one of three particular administrations claiming they have the right to run libya. now, they've inserted themselves, they're having a pretty slow job about getting to grips of power in the country, and left a lot of confusion by inserting themselves into the capital tr capital tripoli. the effort john kerry is putting
forward, a legitimate request from a legitimate government, they will supply those weapons, as will many other world power, gulf states ale w desperately needed, i have to say, because isis right now are on the move. they have a tenth of libya's coastline, a coastline that is right on to europe, where there is a large migrant crisis across the mediterranean sea as we speak. isis are advancing in some areas too. many of them fighting, low on ammunition, we saw ourselves, they have little to stop isis advancing down a main highway just last week. the key question being, if the government does make that question, what mia malitia, tha been the long question. no change here in libya. the problem is, libya is fast collapsing, a huge threat, that collapse to europe and frankly, the wt has done little now for well over a year to slow that
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juarez. before donald trump made it big on reality tv. he was a student at the wharton school in pennsylvania. he was a very different donald than the one we see today. >> so i went to the wharton school of finance, which is considered the best business school. >> it is the education donald trump boasts about repeatedly, on the campaign trail. >> i was really a good student at the greatest school, the wharton school of finance. i went to the wharton school of finance. i was a great student. a built a for ture. >> fortune. >> he had the ambition and drive, and he made that obvious from the beginning, comparing himself to one of the most successful and wealthiest in manhatt manhattan. he said i'm going to be the next bill zecendorf. i remember, i could see the expression on my classmates faces, and thinking who does he
think he is. >> fall in the 1966, 20-year-old just transferred to the wharton school of finance from fordham. he took six real estate classes with trump, and he noticed early, trump's knack for marketing. >> donald had good concept in the beginning. >> the last time he saw trump was on graduation day, 1968. >> he was a very friendly guy. he never really bragged about money or power. >> his trump tales are at the for front, but not a lot of talk on campus. >> never have his name come up. rarely. probably once, and i've been here for a year. >> trump's name isn't branded like it is on the streets of manhattan, instead, they're named after other rich donors, like john huntsman senior.
van pelt library, thanks the class of 1968 for their donations to the seminar room. wharton wouldn't provide any information on trump's financial donations. >> like the donald, you know, they refer to him as more of like an entity. >> it is a disgrace. >> the donald's bravado is -- >> three of his children followed in his footsteps, donald, jr. and ivanka graduated from wharton, while daughter tiffany took classes there while attending the university of pennsylvania. and while he often praises the school in his education, donald trump took a bit of a different take in his 1986 book, "the art of the deal." he wrote in his opinion, the wharton degree doesn't prove of. he also said it didn't take him long to realize that there was nothing particularly exceptional or awesome about his fellow students. >> jessica snyder reporting,
authorities now say the engineer running the amtrak train that derailed in philadelphia could not remember the moments prior to the accident in pennsylvania last year or moments before hitting a curve at just over 100 miles an hour. that's double the speed he should have been going. the ntsb is announcing its findings on the crash that left
eight people dead and more than 200 others injured. cnn's rene marsh has more on this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. you're looking at live pictures right there as the ntsb is giving information on their investigation. they have concluded that amtrak 188, the train's engineer was distracted by radio conversations between other trains and dispatchers about trains which were being hit by projectiles. investigators say they found no evidence that the amtrak engineer was using alcohol, drugs, or a cell phone. they also say that he was not fatigued. the ride from the train station in philadelphia to the site of the derailment was about 11 minutes and investigators say 7 to 9 of those minutes the engineer was listening and participating in radio conversations regarding those other trains which had reported being hit by a rock. now, safety advocates had been
pushing for speed control technology. they say had that been installed on that section of railroad tracks, that deadly derailment would not have happened. we do know, carol, that amtrak has since installed that technology which essentially sends a warning to the engineer if the train is speeding and if the engineer does not respond, that technology applies the brakes for him or her. carol? >> so what might happen to this engineer? >> reporter: well, at this point we're not seeing anything that would lead to any criminal charges. remember, police had been involved in this investigation as well. what we will possibly see come out of this is, number one, ntsb will make recommendations to companies like amtrak to help them help their employees essentially better multitask when in control of a train. i mean, it wasn't in violation that he was listening or participating with those radio
transmissions. that wasn't a problem. the thing is that he lost his what they call situational awareness. he lost track of where he was, and so training will need to be stepped up in that regard, but as far as any criminal action, no word of that because they just have not found anything that points blame. again, no drugs, no alcohol. >> rene marsh reporting live for us this morning. thank you. if you're heading to the airport anytime soon get ready to wait in line. some passengers in chicago at o'hare say wait times reached three hours. lines were so bad that some travelers missed their connections. >> we were just in security for almost two hours and ran to our gate and it was three minutes shy of the door closing. so we got a hotel and are back and hopefully we'll make this flight. >> i got here about 2 1/2 hours early and it still wasn't enough time, and i had to go back to my friend's place and try it again
this morning. >> wow. the tsa is planning to hire more personnel and use more bomb-sniffing dogs to reduce wait times, and it hopes to have that all in place by summertime. it's expected to be a record travel season with 222 million people expected to fly. some airports like san diego international are hiring entertainment to keep passengers happy, including clowns. yes, clowns, stilt walkers and even little tiny horses because if you miss your flight, a little tiny horse will bring a smile to your face. still to come in the "newsroom," an ancient roman shipwreck is found off israel. so what was on board? ies. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion. no other nasal allergy spray can say that. go ahead, embrace those beautiful moments. flonase changes everything.
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store. the pastor said they quote did nothing wrong. whole foods is dropping it's countersuit against brown. the senate votes today on a funding package aimed at fighting the zika virus. it causes microseke s microceph. the president requested nearly $2 billion. house republicans suggested a total less than half that amount. then a senate group proposed a $1.1 billion compromise. all right. we've got to talk about the detroit tigers because, yes, brad ausmus had this epic fight and took his shirt off and covered home plate but the tigers blew an eight-run lead to the minnesota twins. i don't care about the tirade brad. i can't even say his name i'm so
upset. let's talk about this roman shipwreck. it's a 1600-year-old roman shipwreck found off the coast of israel in the mediterranean sea buried in the sand. ancient roman coins and metal statues. the statues are even more rare than the coins because in ancient times the metal was often melted down and reused. the ship may have been taking the statue to be recycled. the ship sank in the middle of a storm but, wow, that is fascinating. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" starts now. and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. voters in kentucky and oregon heading to the polls for today's primaries. polls across kentucky now open including this voting site in louisville. it's a republican-leaning state but today's primary only features democrats, hillary clinton and bernie sanders. they're fighting for 55 delegates and clinton has invested heavily in winning the state. she needs to stop sanders' recent surge, and he's expected to do well today in oregon's
primary. the last polls are opening there this very minute. sanders needs a big win to chip away at clinton's delegate lead. no such drama for donald trump. the last republican standing. each delegate nudges him closer to the nomination but it's been knocked off message by an unflattering news article that could wind up in court. there's a lot to cover this morning. our correspondents and guests are here to break it down with us. let's begin with the democrats in kentucky and brynn gingras is live in louisville. good morning. >> reporter: hi, carol. good morning. you know, we checked in with the secretary of state's office who predicts 20% turnout for today's primary which is low but this particular precinct is very active with voters. we've seen more than several hundred come through this morning in just the four hours polls have been open. i want to bring in one of those voters this morning. ann hager is a retired teacher, retired real estate agent. come closer to me, ann. we were just chatting, and i think you have a feeling a lot of people feel, frustration,
with this primary, with the election ahead in november. tell me why you're frustrated. >> well, i'm not sure whether hillary or whether trump really are the best choice of candidates that represent our country, but they are -- it looks like that's the choice. i mean, i like bernie, but i think he's too -- i don't want to use the word socialism but some of his policies i don't think they'll be accepted by the american public. i'm not sure that all of hillary's will, but when i look at her record, she has handled some things. i do think you need someone with confidence and someone who can compromise, someone -- yes, we all make mistakes. she's made some mistakes, but my other choice of trump who he is just so i feel him unpredictable. i feel him unreliable, so i vote for hillary like a forced choice. >> reporter: so your decision today was to go with hillary because you look ahead to november. that's what it came down to. >> it came down to that and i
don't like voting that way. i don't like voting that way, but it looks like that's the way i think a lot of us are voting, and i think the election is turning people off. i worry about in november, this is one of the most active precincts. i hope that the lines will be here, but, you know, i hear from my grandchildren that they don't think they're going to vote because they're so unhappy about the choices, and that shouldn't happen in america. >> reporter: absolutely. ann, thank you so much for joining us this morning. carol, we'll send it back to you. >> interesting. brynn gingras, thanks so much. donald trump reversing course and revealing a shift to the general election in november. trump has hired a top pollster as a campaign strategist, a move he scoffed at for months. it's the latest sign truch is trying to widen his appeal and tamp down the lingering doubts within his own party. one former rival, ohio governor john kasich, says trump must tone down his attacks. >> one question is will you endorse donald trump? >> i don't know. i told you about this two paths. if i feel -- you know, i read
some stuff recently -- well, i'm not glued to this, i have read some other stuff that to me is too negative. so i'm undecided. >> what sort of stuff? >> well, i don't think i need to get into specifics, but, you know, people that are, you know, attacking. i don't like when he's attacking, putting people down. learn to take it a little bit. you know, the idea at least initially of, you know, well maybe paul ryan shouldn't be at the convention. i mean, come on, man, you won. be magnanimous in victory. >> cnn's phil mattingly is here with more on what john kasich had to say. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. and, carol, look, it's not new that a republican leader would be reluctant to back donald trump, right? but there's an important point here from john kasich. obviously a former rival coming out of a tough primary. it makes sense that he might have some problems. trump attacked him as mr. 1 for 37 or 1 for 41 mocking that he'd only won one primary contest, but it was the state of ohio, a
state donald trump will have to win to win the presidency. let's look at what john kasich has done in ohio. in his re-election he won 86 of the 88 counties. he beat donald trump by more than 11 points. that is an individual you want on your side if you're running in a general election. this isn't to say that john kasich will at some point won't come over to donald trump at one pint or another, but, carol, this is a problem going forward. that said, one thing donald trump has dodged on the kasich front, a third-party run. take a listen to what he said about that to anderson. >> has mitt romney reached out to you? have you had -- >> i don't want to get into who -- i have had a phone call with somebody that wanted me to run, consider running as a third-party candidate. >> are you considering running? >> no, i'm not going to do that. >> why? >> well, i think that i gave it my best where i am, and i just think running third party doesn't feel right.
i think it's not constructive. >> reporter: carol, john kasich throwing cold water on that idea. just the latest in a series of top republican figures who have done just that. and for the conservatives who are trying to mount a third-party candidacy or some effort to derail donald trump, they're facing a major issue right now, and that's time. they have a very limited window to find a candidate, find the money to finance the candidate, and then get that candidate on to the ballot. time running out quickly. bill kristol saying on cnn this morning they plan to continue that evident. ju just one thing we know for sure, it will not include john kasich. mr. trump is fighting chargeshe is sexist by threatening a suit against "the new york times." >> you know,
you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. does she have a good body in? does she have a fat ass?
absolutely. you like girls that come up to 5'1", they come up to you know where. a woman who is flat chested is very hard to be a ten. you can tell them to go bleep themselves. >> donald trump already fighting back tweeting this this morning. quote, amazing that crooked hillary can do a hit on me
concerning women when her husband was the worst abuser of women in u.s. political history. with me now cnn political common tater and op-ed columnist for "the new york times" ross dau fit. senior policy analyst for the independent women's forum hadley heath manning, and cnn media analyst bill carter. welcome to all of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> thank you. >> hadley, how should donald trump respond to those ads? >> i'll tell you how he should respond and then i'll tell you how i think he will respond. i think trump needs to focus on an economic agenda that's going to have broad appeal, especially with women. women do a lot of household budgeting. they know their budgets are
stretched in terms of health care expenses, education. he needs to meet some of these conversation points from the clinton campaign about equal pay and paid leave head on. but instead i'm afraid what we'll see in this campaign cycle is more negative ads. of course, just as the clinton camp can take some of trump's own words and use then against him, there also can be the same play against the clinton campaign. i'm afraid trump's response is going to be more negative ads against secretary clinton. although we don't like negative ads, they're very effective. >> yes, that's true. a lot of analysts say that. ross, some suggest trump should respond by giving interviews to news stations, not through negative ads. it's cheaper and, of course, it's worked for him in the past. >> yeah. i mean, i think one of the lessons of this cycle at least has been the relative ineffectiveness of negative ads, including negative ads against donald trump in the republican primary, and i think trump's strategy all along has been to essentially dominate the free media landscape and his
perspective is, you know, that he can basically get the same amount of coverage that an ad gets just by going on tv or in this case just by tweeting. and saunz and, you know, i think there's something to that. it's clear that trump's response to being accused of sexism will be to attack hillary clinton for enabling her husband's history of misbehavior with women. and i think he can get that message out fairly effectively whether he does it through twitter, television, or any other medium. the question is i'm very doubtful that that message will be enough to win him the election but that does seem to be the message he's running with and i don't think the media will be shy about covering it. >> no, you're right about that. so, bill, trump is threatening to sue "the new york times" but only one of the nine women quoted in the article says she was misrepresented. trump's former executive barbara rez did an interview on cnn. she said the article was accurate and that trump is an angry man.
listen. >> he would criticize for as long as i know him he always had comments on people's appearances and primarily weight, male and female. i ran into him at a funeral and he was kind of nasty to me, but i would say good luck with life, donald, but i don't think that you should be president. >> still, bill, did "the new york times" only create sympathy for donald trump? >> well, it gave him the opportunity to attack, which is what he wants to do. that's his general mode is to come at any story that's in any way critical by attacking back instead of answering the actual story, and, you know, there was this woman who says she was misrepresented in the tone of the story, not really misquoted, but the idea that he would sue is kind of laughable. the guy has tried to sue -- threatened to sue everybody. he never goes through with that. i don't think anybody is taking that seriously, but i think when you do any piece on him, you have to dot your "i"s very carefully because any opportunity that he has to question that, he's going to
throw that back and attacking the media is very, very effective for him. >> absolutely. you know, one effect that donald trump's complaints about that "new york times" article has had, ross, it's become the most read story -- i don't know. yeah, the most read story. >> i am very pleased with that statistic. >> you are? >> should i not be pleased that my newspaper's stories are being read all around the world? i think i should be. >> you are a loyal employee. >> i'm actually -- i mean, i'm being a little bit tongue in cheek, but, in fact, i'm being perfectly sincere. i think it was a story that accurately captured what we know about trump and his relationships to women, and i think it deserves a wide readership. i do think that there was not a sort of smoking gun in the piece on the scale of, say, you know, again the kind of paula juanita.
but as a portrait of how he's been with women i thought it was a good piece and deserved a weiss readership. i'll leave it there. >> interesting. i want to turn the conversation to john kasich for just a minute. you heard phil mattingly's report, right, hadley. he said he won't endorse trump at this time. trump needs ohio. kasich will maybe think about it if trump softens his tone, but is that likely to happen? >> i don't think it's likely to happen, and more importantly, this is the landscape that trump has created. he's created a win/win for himself. it doesn't matter if it's "the new york times" or john kasich, but if kasich comes out in support of trump, that's a win for trump. if he comes out and opposes trump, that's a win for truch because then mr. trump will say look at another establishment republican who is opposing me. just in the same way he's responded to this "new york times" article by saying look at how this mainstream media has a liberal bias and they're attacking me. he's calling it a hit piece. that's the way he responds to
anyone who sides with him or against him. he tries to make it into a win/win, and i think he's been pretty successful at that. >> i will say, bill, there are reports out there that mr. trump will meet with henry kissinger maybe tomorrow and talk about foreign policy. so that's something else for newspapers like "the new york times" to write about, and then it can turn its attention to serious issues, right? >> i guess, but i also think that anytime he deals with substance, it tends to expose the fact that he doesn't really know that much about foreign policy. so it's always a risk for him, and just meeting with kissinger doesn't really accomplish anything. i think one of the most interesting things from kasich was that he questioned whether his wife and daughters would back him if he endorsed trump because he feels like that -- the women issue even hits in his own family. >> right. >> and the women issue is a very real issue. i mean, again, at the risk of defending my paper too far, that piece captured an essential part of why donald trump is going to have a difficult time being
elected president, and it went to the heart of questions about -- not about sort of his capabilities to run foreign policy, though those obviously matter a great deal but about his basic fitness to hold the most prestigious office in our government, so i don't think again the fact that people are talking about these stories and that trump can blame it on the liberal media, maybe it's a win/win for him but if millions of people are reading that story, i'm not sure that that's what gets trump the extra 5% to 10% of the vote that he needs to bet hillary clinton. it might be quite the reverse. >> so hadley -- >> i don't think it hurts him either. >> well, if donald trump wants to change the subject and wants to talk about his meeting with henry kissinger and talk about his ideas for foreign policy but everybody is like concentrating on his problems with women, how can he turn the tide? >> well, he's certainly a very talented messenger, a very talented marketer. he does have a lot of media exposure. he does have the opportunity to change the conversation.
he brags about how he goes directly to the people bypassing the media and talking to them through social media, means such as twitter. he can change the subject if he wants to. i don't know that mr. trump wants to have a substantive policy discussion. he wants to stay on the talking points about his personality, about how he presents himself as a person of straent, a leader of strength. rather than getting into details because i agree that's where he appears weak. i'm just getting word that one of trump's attorneys is now calling for a retraction. is that right? i'm talking to michelle, my ep. bill, i will pose that question to you. one of mr. trump's attorneys is calling for a retraction from "the new york times." think he'll get one? >> no. i think calling for retraction, okay. they're not even printing a correction because the quotes they're saying are accurate. you know, what she's complaining about is the characterization of it, and i don't know how you can retract that. clarify that. i mean, they're not going to apologize for retracted.
i would be really surprised. >> well, how do you expect "the new york times" might react, ross? >> i agree with bill. i mean, i think that as far as i can tell the complaint is that one of the women, the lead anecdote in the story, said her quotes were accurate but it made her seem i guess more hostile to trump than she actually was. so the stories were real and the story was about her when they first met taking her into a room and having her try on a bathing suit and so on. but she wanted to make it clear that she had had a good time overall with trump and still really liked him. which is, you know, a valid issue to raise but does not rise to the level of printing a retraction because the story is accurate and the quotes are accurate, and, again, it's a story made up of many overlapping voices over a long period of time, and the fact that one of the women quoted still likes donald trump doesn't really undercut the thrust of the piece. >> all right. you have to leave it there. ross, hadley -- >> the rest of the piece might
have been the wrong way of putting it but you take my meaning. >> thanks, ross. thanks to you, hadley heath manning and bill carter. should donald trump apologize for calling women dogs and pigs and rating their bodies on their bust size? would it matter? i write on it. trump calls the times article a hit piece although others say mr. trump deserves forgiveness for disparaging comments about women because sometimes have changed. psychology dr. gail saltz told me we haven't decided how moral we want our leader to be. you get the drift. check out the rest on c cnn.com/opinion. you can also find it on my facebook page or on twitter at carolcnn. as always, i welcome and thank you for your comments. still to come in the "newsroom," hillary clinton tries to put kentucky in the win
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a fight to the finish for democrats in kentucky today. here is a live look at a polling station in louisville. hillary clinton making a last-minute push to get all the delegates in kentucky, even as recent controversy over the coal industry has followed her into the state. can she pull out a win and put bernie sanders away? cnn's joe johns joins me now from washington with more. hi, joe. >> reporter: hi, carol. hillary clinton is looking for a win tonight in kentucky, at least for a couple reasons. while she's ahead in overall delegates, she's lost to bernie sanders in multiple primaries and caucuses so she needs to show some strength at this point and she could really use a win in coal country after losing big to bernie sanders in west virginia. she's floated the idea of a $30 billion plan to revitalized communities in appalachia that have been hurt by the decline of the coal industry.
it's critical to make a statement because donald trump seems to have connected to those voters so listen to how hillary clinton has been talking about coal country economy. >> we do have to transition, but we need to take coal country and coal miners and their families with us and not leave them behind. i am not turning my back on manufacturing in kentucky or anywhere else in america. and it takes a partnership between the government and business. that's what i believe in. >> reporter: one of the problems for hillary clinton is a comment she made on cnn in march suggesting that, quote, we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, which has hurt her campaigning in the region where coal mining is ingrained as a part of life. what could help her in kentucky is the fact that her husband, the former president, has won before in the bluegrass state, and so the campaign has been leaning on his name to try to get a win there.
bernie sanders has also been in kentucky, but tonight his campaign is hoping to pull off a victory in the state of oregon which has responded well to progressive candidates before. sanders will wrap up though with an election night rally in los angeles county focusing on california and the primary on june 7th. carol? >> all right, joe johns reporting live for us this morning. thank you. joining me now from louisville, kentucky, joe girth, a political reporter for "the courier journal." welcome. >> hi, carol. how are you? >> i'm fine. nice to have you here. bernie sanders has been drawing large crowds in kentucky. is it possible he could pull an upset? >> it certainly is, and, you know, the one thing we have not seen in a long time here is polling information. the last poll was released by ppp back about a week before hillary clinton made those comments on cnn in march with the coal industry, and so we've really not seen any indication of how those -- how those remarks hurt her.
basically, we've just got some anecdotal evidence in talking to miners and their families in eastern kentucky that shows us that this is going to be some sort of pushback on that. >> interesting. tell me about the differences between bernie sanders' crowds and the number of people hillary clinton is attracting to her rallies. >> clinton has had more events here in kentucky than bernie sanders has. they've -- the largest one i have been to, there were about 1,500 people at. smallest there maybe were 400 people at. bernie sanders has drawn anywhere from 1,900 to 7 tho,00 people in kentucky. so he has been getting the bigger crowds. the thing about that is though i don't know how much that translates. i mean, it could very well, but back in 2008 barack obama came to kentucky and he drew close to 10,000 people at an event and hillary clinton again was doing the smaller events, and she actually destroyed him in that
primary election. so it's hard to tell how much that really matters in the long run, but it does seem like he does have some enthusiasm behind him here that maybe the clinton campaign doesn't. >> interesting. i know that donald trump has been trying to woo democrats in states like kentucky and also independents. he's called for eliminating nafta. he's hinted at raising the minimum wage. he's attacking clinton for her wall street speeches. is that resonating with kentucky voters? >> you know, it seems to be to some degree. kentucky is a very conservative state and the democratic party here is a pretty conservative party when you get outside of louisville and lexington and some of the bigger cities, and i think what you're doing to see is a lot like what you saw in west virginia where bernie sanders won but a large segment of the vote for bernie sanders were saying that in november we're going to go vote for donald trump. and i think you're likely to
have that here. kentucky is going to be a republican state in november, and, you know, you need democrats to win elections here in kentucky because the registration definitely favors democrats even though it is a republican-performing state. >> interesting. joe gerth, thanks so much for your insight. i appreciate it. still to come in the "newsroom," clinton taking aim at trump delivering her best impression of a future debate. will it resonate though? (vo) whatever your perfect temperature...
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. hillary clinton turning her attention to the general election and taking a stab at her own donald trump impression. >> and when you finally get into a debate and you're asked, well, what is your plan to make sure we have enough good jobs with rising incomes because americans deserve a raise? and if one answer is i'm going to do it, i know how to do it, i'll get it done. but i'm not going to tell you what i'm going to do. you know, i kind of think a lot of folks, republicans, democrats, independents, a lot of folks are going to be thinking what's he talking about? >> but will giving trump a taste of his own medicine backfire. with me to talk about that is charles blow, a "new york times" columnist and ed lee, the executive director of debate at emory university. welcome, gentlemen. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks for being here.
so, ed, is clinton right when she says she'll clean donald trump's clock on that debate stage? >> well, i think that the way in which we probably want to process this is to think about it as a long game. she's ultimately trying to establish a cultural meme when he attacks her personality, ultimately we start to think he has no policies in order to institute. that when he says crooked hillary, the audience actually thinks donald trump has no policies, and no one will be shocked when this debate breaks down to hillary clinton talking about policies and donald trump is talking about personalities, and she's trying to structure the way in which we understand each side of that equation. >> interesting. but, charles, i read your column the other day. you paint a grim picture for hillary clinton. you say fighting trump with facts and plans don't matter. why? >> well, it doesn't matter to some people, right? so there are -- with any candidate there are hard core supporters, soft supporters, and then what you don't want to have
is the people who say i could never, right? so among the hard core supporters it's really not going to matter. what the research has shown and which i was quoting in the piece and from 2005, 2006 university of michigan is when you confronted highly partisan people with facts about misinformation, it didn't actually change their minds, it actually hardened their positions and their beliefs, right? what those facts can help for people who are kind of on the softer side. these are the people who are more likely to be kind of undecided or late deciders or what have you. so, yes, you can have some effect there. the idea, however, of fighting trump on his own ground, you know, it's like throwing brer rabbit in the briar patch. he wants you to do that. if you go into his zone of comfort, which is to go as low as you can go, to be as debased
as you can be, and to have a debate on those grounds, then i do believe that you lose. conversely, as it relates to debates, you can overplay your hand the way that gore did with george w. bush, the way that i think that vice president biden did with sarah palin. because the other person there is so low expectations for the other person to perform well on policy, you know you have the upper hand and you overplay that upper hand to such a degree that it comes off a little bit schoolmarmish rather than coming off as polished and professional and a person who is versed on policy. >> i hear you. >> it's really a tricky thing. >> it is a tricky thing, and this is just an example of why it might be tricky. this is from trump because you know we're debating in real time these days. if hillary clinton stands on that stage and presents her economic plan, donald trump could respond like he did in this tweet. quote, crooked hillary said her husband is going to be in charge
of the economy. if so, he should run, not her. will he bring the energizer to d.c.? so, see, he won't come back, for example, with his own plan. he will just say, you know what? you just said your husband knew how to handle the economy and you're going to put him in charge so what do you know? >> i think charles blow is absolutely correct on the way he's framing this conversation. when we think about policy, we also need to understand that he has also issued a set of policy suggestions that have potentially alienated some of our allies, some people have interpreted as violations of civil liberties, so the ways in which he can have conversations about policies aren't just from a policy wonkish perspective of talking about the economy but also attempting to frame the way that we nds as a public what his policies are and what negative consequences those hold. i don't think it is just sort of her positing a control over a particular set of esoteric numbers or policy suggestions but framing the way we understand what actions he has
proposed and that's a productive way to enter into this conversation for her. >> i know one thing for sure, charles, people will be eager to watch the first debate between -- if the nominee is going to be hillary clinton and donald trump because everybody keeps saying this is going to be such a nasty campaign and it's bound to be nasty on stage, but will it get nasty on stage do you think when all is said and done? >> well, i mean, there's the other ingredient there is obviously moderators, and they can push. so you've seen debates where, you know, they let them kind of wander off onto their own and there have been debates where people have kind of pushed an agitation. and you'll probably get some of both depending on who is moderating. i don't know if it will descend to what we see now on twitter or what we see on the campaign trails or what we even see with the kind of commercials already that the pacs are producing.
i don't think it will descend to that. i think there will probably be a few character swipes, but in general, you know, i have kind of watched trump in the other debates. he's not that confrontational in those debates. he is a bit more -- he's defensive, but he's not that confrontational. it's almost as if he's waiting for them to be over so he can get back to twitter where he really wants to have fun. >> but the only thing is it's down to two people. he doesn't have the cover of 16 people. >> it wasn't cover. it wasn't cover. he was standing center stage and there were debates where every single person on the stage was firing in his direction. so it didn't matter if it was one person or three people on the stage or 16, they were firing at him, and basically his strategy on stage at least was to kind of duck and cover and to say, no, no, no, no, no. and he would wait and get off stage and go to twitter or go
onto his campaign stage where he was alone and do his attacking there. >> i do think that the danger for hillary clinton is to get sucked into the question of ad hominem attacks around personal debates about character and this is marco rubio that ultimately his demise was attempting to play the game that donald trump established and is perfect at playing, and so what she needs to do is figure out how does she establish her personality, some control over the debate space that she's participating in without getting sucked into a question of what the characteristics are, who her husband is, or the ways in which personality plays and informs these particular choices that we're making. >> but i would say marco was a kid at the grown-up table. hillary clinton is a grown-up, right? so hillary clinton has been -- this is not her first time at the rodeo. she has been attacked -- she's right about this point. she makes this point very often. she's been attacked for 30 years. she knows how to deal with that, and one really great example of that was the benghazi hearings
where she showed up in person, i don't know, what was it 12, 14 hours, whatever it was, and you saw how savvy she could be being under attack, being grilled, learning how to play with that a little bit to make -- to have humorous moments, to have serious moments, to outwit people, to kind of have more facts than the person who was attacking her had. you see there's a talent there because she's experienced at being attacked. >> okay. i got to leave it there. all i can say is it's going to be interesting. charles blow, ed lee, thanks to you both. still to come in the "newsroom," a year after a biker shootout in texas, we're learning more about what went down that day. ♪ [crowd cheering] i could get used to this. now you can. when you lease the 2016 es 350 for $329 a month for 36 months. see your lexus dealer.
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it looks like an old west shootout right in the middle of a texas restaurant. it happened a year ago today when two rival biker gangs started fighting. when the shooting stopped, nine people were dead, nearly 20 others wounded. 200 people were placed under arrest. the big question out there is why did this happen at all? we're finally getting answers thanks to cnn's fine reporting and ed lavandera. he joins me now. this is just a fascinating look, it really is a great story. >> and we've gotten the new images and video angles from the fight that really kind of help explain what happened and how the fight started, and we heard from two rival bikers that were in the center of the melee. >> reporter: by 11:00, they are sipping beers and shooting the breeze. seen here in surveillance video obtained by cnn. outside the restaurant police dashcams capture the scene in the parking lot as a line of
banditos bikers roll up. >> i was the first one to pull in there. >> reporter: including jake carzel who was riding in with his dad and uncle and looking for a place to park. >> as we turn in the bike parking, i see 50, 60, 70 cossacks there. it caught me off guard. as soon as we pulled up, i back in and they were surrounding my bike. >> reporter: john wilson, the president of cossacks waco chapter was sitting on the twin peaks patio with his son. >> i was watching, and he deliberately steered in one of our prospects and hit him. he wasn't going real fast but he deliberately ran into him with a motorcycle, enough to knock him down. >> reporter: carazel says not quite. >> i didn't run over anyone's foot. i think they come up with different scenarios to justify what happened. >> reporter: what was that mission? >> i know without a doubt they were there to confront us.
>> reporter: clifford pierce, the prospect assigned to guard the cossacks' bikes in the lot is caught in the middle. >> anyhow, squabbling went on about them blocking the bikes in. >> reporter: that's pearce talking to investigators. >> you got your foot run over. >> i didn't get my foot run over, but i was in the way out there. i didn't get out of the way fast enough. >> it wasn't really a fight at that point, it was just some shouting back and forth. >> reporter: as the shouting match quickly escalates, you see carazel with the yellow helmet in the middle of it. he said a cossack threw the first punch. >> we were hit so quick i didn't have time to take my gloves off nor my helmet. >> reporter: fists are flying, then far worse. >> i heard a gunshot, so i just hit the dirt. >> i remember yelling for my dad because i knew he was there somewhere. i have never been that scared in nigh life. >> reporter: carazel is taken to
the ground. he's in an all-out brawl with several cossacks. he doesn't realize it then, but you can see a biker emerging from the chaos pointing a gun and looking for a target. but suddenly the biker's head snaps back and he drops to the ground. >> you hear the shots -- >> i hear the shots going off whizzing by me. >> reporter: he stumbles and looks for cover as another biker takes aim. >> you actually see four plumes of smoke come out from him and he's pointed right at you. >> yeah. >> reporter: boom, boom, boom. you didn't get hit? >> no. it looks like a cop may have taken him out. >> reporter: he drops after he fired four times. >> yeah. >> reporter: wow. >> so it sounds like some very small infraction happened and then it just went out of control. >> we heard from one of the cossacks bikers later in the
show and asked him what was all this about? what did your brothers, your club members die for? and he simply said pride, stupidity. you know, i think a lot of people are still scratching their heads how something -- obviously there was a lot building up to that day, but it was -- you know, you look at it and you wonder, were they going to fight about just anything? >> it didn't matter? >> you almost get the sense that it didn't matter. there was going to be a fight that day whether it was about parking spaces or but how someone drank their beer that morning. >> so people are under indictment. when will they go court? >> exactly a year ago 154 of them have been indicted. they're all out of jail on bond but they don't know when they're going to go to trial and if they're going to go to trial. there are a number of defense lawyers who believe some of these cases will ever see the inside of a waco courtroom. we'll see. prosecutors aren't talking. >> ed lavandera, thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," are you taking a flight today? well, make sure you're planning on arriving early, and i mean
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as the price of oil rises, so does the cost of jet fuel and guess what that might mean? higher fair fares. delta says it may have to be the first airline to raise ticket prices. fuel prices are lower than a year ago but they've gone up 60% from their lowest point earlier this year. it higher ticket prices don't fik you off, maybe this will, longer lines. chicago's o'hare and the tsa telling passengers to arrive three hours early. passengers across the country have been complaining about security wait times for months. cnn's rene marsh has more for you. >> reporter: tsa heard the call from passengers, airlines, and airports. they must do better. this summer air travel is expected to rise to the highest level ever with 222 million
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hello, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. kentucky, oregon, you, my friends, are on the clock. s >> democrats in the bluegrass state and both parties in the beaver state are at the poll this is morning with donald trump now running first in a one-man race. all the drama is on the democratic side. bernie sanders hoping to keep his two-state winning streak alive and chip away at hillary clinton's delegate lead. >> at the very same time, clinton is fending off bernie sanders she is also trying to shift into full general election mode with her sights first set on donald trump, but first before that, she's got to get past kentucky. let's get over to cnn's brynn gingras. she's in louisville, kentucky, right now where the polls are open. what are you seeing, brynn? >> reporter: good morning. it's wet, it's soggy outside here in louisville, but it's really not stopping voters from coming to this particular poling precinct