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here we come. june 7th. >> you're not giving up hope yet. thank you, guys. what are you guys going to do after now? >> go to church. >> right across the street. right across the street. thank you very much, everyone. see you soon. our coverage now continues with john vause and isha sesay in los angeles. and, don, thank you very much. we'll let you guys go off to church. >> indeed. thank you, don. welcome to los angeles where we continue our live coverage of the oregon and kentucky primaries. >> well, for the democrats, a split decision. hillary clinton by a nose edging out bernie sanders in kentucky's primary with less than 2,000 votes. a razor thin win, which breaks a string of recent losses. >> sanders does get the win in oregon, though, with 53% of the vote right now. here's the big picture for you. the delegate count. clinton is now 89 shy of locking up the democratic nomination. sanders says he's not done yet.
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>> we won a great victory in the state of washington a few months ago. we just won oregon. and we're going to win california. i am getting to like the west coast. >> meanwhile, let's turn it over to the republican side. donald trump edging closer to the magic number of delegates. the win in oregon with 66% of the vote as of now. john kasich and ted cruz both far behind at 16%. >> trump is now just 62 delegates away from the 1,237 he needs to officially clinch the party's nomination. trump tweeted this message to his supporters. congratulations to the movement. we have just won the great state of oregon. the vote percentage is even higher than anticipated. thank you.
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>> joining us now is cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny, who is traveling with the sanders campaign. jeff, a mixed night for bernie sanders. a win in oregon but a defeat in kentucky. however, judging from senator sanders' comments there in california, tonight's results haven't altered the dynamics of this race and no one should be holting their breath for him to drop out soon. >> reporter: you're absolutely right about that. i mean we heard a defiant bernie sanders tonight. he split the delegates in kentucky. he won in oregon. so he leaves tonight with more delegates than he started. the math hasn't changed, though. hillary clinton still has a commanding lead going into the final month of contests. but bernie sanders indicated that he's going to keep fighting. he's going to keep fighting for california. he's going to keep fighting until every last vote is counted. and i heard a more defiant bernie sanders tonight. he says donald trump needs to be defeated, but he also said hillary clinton needs to be defeated. so there was no unifying this
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democratic party tonight here in california. >> jeff, i'm just curious. we have thousands and thousands of supporters there at that rally there for bernie sanders. and as you mentioned, the math hasn't changed. it's still practically mathematically impossible for sanders to win the nomination. has that registered with those voters, or do they still think that bernie sanders is in there with a chance that he could end up being the democrat nominee? >> reporter: john, it definitely has not registered with him. i think you can say he is not exactly helping them make this register. he is saying that, you know, he will go to the end. and no one is saying that he shouldn't. even the clinton campaign is, you know, saying he has the right to stay in. but i think he can make the argument that he is not exactly leveling with his supporters here about how difficult this is. and it's not just about the super delegates, those party officials we talked so much about. it is actually in pledged delegates. there are not enough pledged delegates remaining in the final month here for him to overtake
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hillary clinton. super delegates would have to change their mind in droves here. so you can make the argument that he's not leveling with his supporters. >> jeff zeleny, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thanks, jeff. well, joining us now, democratic strategist dave jacobson and republican consultant john thomas. the big race tonight. there hasn't been a finish this close in kentucky since grindstone won the derby in a photo finish back in 1996. the clinton campaign, they spent a lot of money. they outspent bernie sanders. hillary clinton spent a lot of time in the state. she won the statement overwhelmingly in 2008. tonight, by .5%. >> bernie sanders is giving her a run for her money. i think it's really a testament to the fact that people are angry. they're frustrated. and his message is continuing to gain momentum. he was here in los angeles this evening. he turned out 11,000 people. you know what that means, john? that means the democrats are not
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done with this race. they want the primary to continue. you've got montana. you've got the dakotas, new mexico, california, new jersey. there's a lot of states coming up, and people want to express their frustration with the system and the fact that he believes that the system is rigged. and he's tying the democratic primary to wall street and what's going on in washington with the status quo being broken. and his message is resonating. >> it means the democratic base isn't in love with hillary clinton. the fact is they can't consolidate behind one candidate and that doesn't bode well because every day that goes by, trump is working day by day to consolidate his base. hillary is still fighting from the left. >> you talk about the issue of unite there in the democratic party, as we know hillary clinton didn't speak tonight. she put out a tweet, and she said this. she said, we just won kentucky. thanks to everyone who turned out. we're always stronger united. the issue of unity being invoked there. that was picked up by the clinton campaign, a statement saying we are confident that the passion and energy from the
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primary will be united in a common purpose to move forward the ideals of our party and keep the white house out of donald trump's hands. now, this invoking of unity of course referencing what we saw in nevada. we saw those ugly scenes in the convention there. they may be calling for unity, but the question is, is that slipping out of reach? i mean i've got to ask you that. >> well, i don't think so. if you go back eight years ago when hillary clinton was campaigning still in may, polls were showing 40% of her supporters said they weren't going to support barack obama. only 25% of bernie sanders' supporters are saying that. so we're in a much better position this time. i do think it is a point of concern that there is violence spurring at some of these bernie sanders rallies. it's not equal to what we saw at donald trump's campaign, but it's something we've got to watch out for. >> part of the big story is if you look at the right direction, wrong track direction of the country, nearly 60% of the people in america think we're on the wrong track and hillary clinton has largely positioned herself as barack obama's third term. that's problematic as we go into
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a general election. >> hillary clinton is staying away from the violence and chaos in nevada. she's leaving the talking to senior democrats, in particular the party chair woman, debbie wasserman schultz, and she was stinging about bernie sanders. listen to this. >> unfortunately, the senator's response was anything but acceptable. it certainly did not condemn his supporters for acting violently or engaging in intimidation tactics and instead added more fuel to the fire. >> so, dave, is patience running out with bernie sanders? i mean is he going to conkey ohty to ralph nato? >> he's fanning the flames. the reality is this was supposed to be a coronation. we're supposed to be done after iowa. hillary clinton is supposed to lock this thing up. now we're going all the way to the convention, right? we're not even just going to california on june 7th. we're going to the d.c. primary the next week. >> what a difference a couple weeks makes because a couple weeks ago, my side was preparing the right gear for their convention. now it's going to be more of a
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beauty pageant than it is on anything. >> the man himself, bernie sanders, as he talks about his determination to stay in this race. take a listen. >> many of the pundits and politicians, they say bernie sanders should drop out. [ booing ] >> the people of california should not have the right to determine who the next president will be. well, let me be as clear as i can be. i agree with you. we are in till the last ballot is cast. >> all right. the question has to be what logic is he operating under right now? i mean we know the math. we say this -- i mean it's been a long time that this race has been set with it looking improbable that he could get the nomination. so what logic is he operating under where he thinks that he could still pull this out of the bag? >> you know, there is an open
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investigation with the fbi, and i'm not just saying that as a partisan hack. there is a theory in which -- you know, there is a theory in which she could be pulled out of this race. he's staying in this as long as he can. and quite frankly the more the wasserman shuttles rallies, it reinforces his message. >> with the fbi investigation, it's like the gift that keeps on giving to the republicans. you've got these warmed over talking points that continue to be repeated. i think it's an issue. i think that's part of the reason why he's staying in the race. i think ultimately he's trying to revolutionize the political process. overall, all across the country on both sides of the aisle but particularly with the democratic process, he's really got an issue with these super delegates and that independents can't participate in the process. he wants to make the democratic party more open and accessible. i think that's what he's going to drive home is changing the process, reforming the super delegates and allowing independents to participate in
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the process. >> while it doesn't look like sanders is going to be the nominee and it is scary to republicans that a socialist could be our president, all of our republicans are high-fiving each other going berne, baby, berne. the longer this stretches out -- >> listening to bernie sanders, and maybe i'm reading way too much into this because i've listened to so many speeches by bernie sanders. but in that sound bite we just heard, he finished by saying until the last ballot is cast or counted. i mean he always used to say until the conventions. i mean are we now looking at a situation where he is just going to the last primary and then he's done? we're not going to have any problems at the convention? >> it's possible. there was a story actually this week that came out in politico that said that some people within the bernie sanders campaign, actual staffers and volunteers and supporters said he needs to dismantle his campaign immediate after the voting is over and figure out how he can best help the democrats prevent donald trump from winning in november. there's talk, but we haven't seen anything concrete yet. >> you're also seeing some staff defections in different parts of the sanders campaign. i think the rosie picture looks
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great for tv. internally, i imagine these campaigns are in a much different situation. >> we've got to talk about the long-awaited interview between donald trump and megyn kelly that aired tonight on the fox network. finally sitting down and, you know, a lot of interest in how this would play out, the dynamics and what would emerge. one of the things that was striking about the interview is donald trump expressing some level of regret, if you will, about statements he's made regarding women including heidi cruz and carly fiorina. take a listen to a little bit of that. >> let me just give you a list of a couple and tell me whether you have any regrets on it. the comment about john mccain. you prefer people who weren't captured. the comment about carly fiorina's face. but do you regretny of those comments? >> yeah, i guess so. but you have to go forward. you make a mistake, you go forward, and you -- you know, you can correct the mistake. but to look back and say, gee, whiz, i wish i didn't do this or that, i don't think that's good.
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i don't even think in a certain way, i don't think that's healthy. >> do you know what this is like? this is like arthur fonzarelli. i was wr-wr-wr. >> just a smidgen of regret. >> just say it. i was wrong. >> this is as close to an apology as we're ever going to see from donald trump, and quite frankly, kudos to him. he's making leaps and bounds in this process. >> okay. we also have -- >> look, he's come a long way. from a guy who wouldn't even apologize to his mother, now he's saying he regrets a thing or two. >> on the issue of women, donald trump's got a long way to go to make up for his high negatives with women. so he did have an endorsement of sorts from his wife, melania. she did an interview with du jour magazine. this is what she said. we know the truth. he's not hitler. he wants to help america. he wants to unite people. they think he doesn't, but he does. even with the muslims, it's temporary.
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okay. so out of this, what? he's not hitler? you know, this is not exactly the kind of ringing endorsement you need, is it? >> he has been called a tyrant, but -- >> right. but the fact even his wife is recognizing he has ground to make up. and i think his wife and his daughters are going to be excellent surrogates as we go through this process. but we're starting to see it. he sat down with megyn kelly tonight. we're going to see he's got to make up ground because he's going to win this election because he turns out angry white men at the end of the day. but he can't hemorrhage women like is happening today. >> take a step back and think about the moment where your party's perspective nominee has been compared to hitler. >> by his wife. >> and you are having to -- louis c.k., the comedian -- >> maybe our own spouses are a different thing, but we're used to that treatment, yeah. >> we'll see you next hour. thanks for being with us. >> a short break here. when we come back, bernie sanders says he wants a
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welcome back, everybody. an easy win for the presumptive republican nominee in oregon. donald trump got 66% of the vote. even though they've suspended their campaigns, john kasich followed in second place. ted cruz in third. >> and a razor thin win for hillary clinton in kentucky's democratic primary. clinton beat sanders by less than 2,000 votes. bernie sanders was the winner in oregon with 53% of the vote right now. >> let's talk more about this megyn kelly interview. it was really hyped. everybody was looking forward to it, i guess. >> you weren't? >> okay. so one of the key crucial questions in this interview was all about how this feud began
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with that question from megyn kelly to donald trump in the fox news debate. >> i thought it was a fair question. why didn't you? >> i thought it was unfair. i thought -- first of all, i didn't think it was really a question. i thought it was more of a statement. that's the first question that i've ever been asked during a debate and i've never debated before. my whole life is a debate, but i've never actually debated before. i'm saying to myself, man, what a question. then you have brett doing his thing. i'm saying to myself, i've got two hours of this? i don't really blame you because you're doing your thing. but from my standpoint, i don't have to like it. >> a softer, kinder, gentler, more, you know, nicer donald trump. i mean it was kind of a love fest. >> a softer, kinder, gentler donald trump, and also a softer, kinder, gentler megyn kelly. i think that what megyn kelly is in a debate where she's questioning these candidates is different than what she does on her fox news show is different
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than what she's trying to do here. and what she's trying to do here, as she stated herself is create this sort of barbara walters, oprah winfrey type atmosphere where she can have these really sort of powerful groundbreaking one-on-one interviews. the problem is the expectation going into this was a continuation of this feud, which has really defined what donald trump's relationship with the media has been about for the last nine or ten months. and if you were looking for that, you weren't going to find it in this interview. >> that being said, as you bring up the names barbara walters and oprah winfrey, you were expecting some revelation. you were expecting to learn something new. did we get that here because, i mean, did we get anything new from this? >> no, i don't think so. you know, some people look and see donald trump sort of saying, well, i regret, you know, maybe i regret saying one or two things, and we think we're getting a closer look at his personality. we're really not. what we're seeing trump do is charging ahead through whatever controversy happens, through whatever question gets asked and
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just sort of progressing. this is really interesting because megyn kelly is trying to get at donald trump's temper nlt. this "new york times" piece is trying to get at who is the real donald trump? what is donald trump's temperament? we have spent ten months with this guy and we still don't have a theory of the case about who he is or what he's about or what drives him. the most we can say is he wants to win. we're not even sure he got into this election to win it. i think the media right now, now that we're pivoting toward the general election, now that we're accepting he's going to be the republican candidate, we're trying to answer that fundamental question. who is he underneath this whole bravado? >> it was interesting because after the interview was done, trump tweeted this photograph out, all smiles, and he wrote this. well, that is it. well done, megyn, and they all lived happily ever after. now let us all see how the movement does in oregon tonight. some people have made the
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observation that, you know, this alleged feud between megyn kelly and donald trump is just a con job. >> do you see it that way? >> i think it's hard to say that ten months ago, roger ailes, the chief of fox news, and donald trump and megyn kelly sat down in a room and said, all right, let's see how we can further all of our careers. now, that said, everyone has benefited from this. i don't think megyn kelly particularly enjoys the amount of, you know, like threats she's received from donald trump's core supporters. but her career has skyrocketed. she's in a position now where she can be angling for a barbara walters or oprah winfrey type position, and donald trump has benefited because he's going to be the nominee of the republican party. so it's sort of hard to -- i'll tell you this as a media reporter to have been covering this for nine or ten months and every time donald trump sends out a tweet or fox news responds, the feud is kicking up again when really they're playing off each other and
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building each other up. >> trump was asked effectively what this all would mean if indeed he didn't go ahead and win this race. i want you to take a listen to what he said because i thought it was interesting. >> if i don't go all the way and if i don't win, i will consider it to be a total and complete waste of time, energy, and money. >> what do you make of that considering some people said he never got into this thinking he could win anyway? >> i think if you were going -- you see it in sports all the time. if you are going to get in the game, you have to believe you're going to win and say you're going to win. anything less -- donald trump is a winner, or at least he broadcasts himself as a winner. you have to convince the american people. you have to leave no doubt that you are in this for real. you know, it's not totally dissimilar from what ted cruz
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has said when he was on his heels from iowa to later states when he had to say, look, if we don't win here, everything we've worked for is gone. he will be singing a different tune if he loses the election. >> just as you said, for megyn kelly, there have been up sides. there would be upsides for donald trump even if this didn't go his way. >> huge upsides. if you look at what president obama said at the white house correspondents' dinner when he was sort of needling the press, he said all this guy wanted to do was boost his hotel brand, and you guys gave him nine or ten months of free coverage. there's been no question this has been great for trump's brand with no however many million voters who have voted for him. >> dylan, good to see you. short break. when we come back, a big win in oregon and a tight finish in kentucky. despite the odds, bernie sanders says he's not giving up. his message to his supporters is just ahead. >> plus he's facing pressure to rein them in after an ugly weekend in nevada. what his campaign manager says about that. do stay with us.
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hello, everyone. donald trump adds to his delegate count with a predictable win in oregon. he came away with 66% of the vote. john kasich and ted cruz follow with 16%. >> donald trump just 62 delegates away from officially clinching the republican nomination. kentucky's neck and neck democratic primary ends with a cliff-hanger victory for hillary clinton. she won the state by almost half a percentage point. a win is a win, slowing bernie sanders' momentum. >> on the delegate count, clinton is now 89 shy of locking up the democratic nomination. well, more fallout from that ugly scene in nevada when sanders' supporters shut down the state democratic party convention. they thought they didn't get the
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delegates they deserved, and they were outraged. >> so the nevada party has filed a formal complaint and democratic leaders are worried they will see chaos like this at their national convention in july. >> no, no, no, no. >> jefr weaver, campaign manager for bernie sanders, joins us now from burlington, vermont. thanks for being with us. there's a lot of pressure on senator sanders from senior democrats for him to rein in his supporters after the violence in nevada. why hasn't he done that yet. >> i think it's an overstatement to say there was violence in nevada. there was obviously a lot of chaos at the nevada state convention. bernie sanders has said categorically he condemns any kind of violence or threats that were made against anybody. but people have to understand what went on in nevada. there was a process that was put in place that was clearly geared to sort of create a one-sided
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outcome. there were voiced votes on the floor which were overruled by the chair, and it became -- it sort of broke down. once it became very clear, i think, to people that there was not going to be fairness at that convention. >> look, no one would ever question the right of people to, you know, to ask about the rules, to argue about process. this is politics. but you did mention the democrat chair woman for nevada, her name is roberta lang. she says she's received vile, abusive voicemail and text messages. this is what she said to cnn earlier today. >> i get threats every one to two seconds on my phone, on my e-mail, on twitter, on facebook. it is endless. in fact, it has gotten worse as time goes on, and it -- you know, it's awful. they've attacked my work. >> i also want to play for you one of those voicemail messages because many of the others just aren't suitable for air. listen to this. >> this is a citizen in the united states of america and i
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just wanted to let you know that people like you should be hung in a public execution to show this world that we won't stand for this sort of corruption. i don't know what kind of money they're paying you, but i don't know how you sleep at night. you are a sick, twisted, piece of [ bleep ], and i hope you burn for this. cowardly [ bleep ], running off the stage. i hope people find you. >> i imagine the sanders campaign would at least condemn that type of behavior. i'm wondering if anybody has -- >> of course, categorically. we categorically reject and find unacceptable any kind of behavior like that, whether it's vie lens or threats of vie loens or full gerrit that you heard in that phone call. that's absolutely unacceptable in any context. so i don't think there's any disagreement about that certainly. >> do you think someone from the sanders campaign should reach out to roberta lange and apologize for the sanders supporters have been doing to her because there's been a lot
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of threats and a lot of text messages. >> well, we certainly -- as i said, we condemn it. the senator has said he condemns it 100%. what we are concerned about obviously is to make sure this type of thing does not happen or continue to happen. in addition to that, we want to make sure that we -- people are aware of what happened in nevada at the state democratic party. there was a horrendous breakdown in the process where the leadership there in nevada hijacked the process on the floor, created a tremendous amount of angst among people who were there attending the convention, who were supporters of senator sanders, by ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do. it was -- in terms of a democratic exercise, it was pretty much a disaster. >> one last thing about the nevada caucus. your national delegates director seemed to be encouraging supporters to take over that event before it started. this is what she said to them. >> you should not leave.
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i'm going to repeat that. unless you are told by somebody from the campaign, i.e probably me or david, that you can leave, you should not leave. i don't care if the chair is up there herself or whoever the chair is and whoever becomes the chair, you should not leave. >> so in hindsight, was that perhaps not the best thing to do? >> in fact, that conclusion that you came to, that that somehow is taking over the convention, apparently you aren't as familiar with how these caucuses work. that is a very standard part of the process. what you don't want your people to do is leave prematurely because often there are recounts during these caucuses, and if your people leave and first you're winning and then you're losing. that is a very standard instruction that are given to delegates at caucuses, to not leave until the campaign says it's okay to go. it has nothing to do with taking over the convention. you know, that kind of
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conclusion about what that means, i think would only come from somebody who is not all that familiar with how this whole process works. so that is a very standard sort of instruction that's give to delegates at a caucus. don't leave because votes are taken and there are often revotes. of course if your people leave, you lose the revotes. >> finally there was a poll out today showing sanders a clear favorite among democrats to be hillary clinton's running mate. assuming of course that mr. sanders doesn't win the nomination. if bernie sanders is asked, would he accept? >> i think he's running for the top spot at the moment. so i think that's what the goal is and that's what the focus is right now. >> with that, we wish you good luck. thanks for being with us, jeff. >> thank you, sir. >> very interesting interview. >> no apology. >> notably. all right. time for a quick break. donald trump and the rnc have a new partnership on fund-raising. we'll talk about what it means for the future of the republican party. also ahead, trump sits down with fox news' megyn kelly.
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♪ yeah, you'll just have to miss it! ♪ ♪ we can't let you download... uh, no thanks. i have x1 from xfinity so... don't fall for directv. xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. i used to like that song. welcome back, everyone. hillary clinton picks up a hard fought win in the u.s. presidential race, narrowly defeating bernie sanders in kentucky's democratic primary by half a percentage point. >> sanders did get the win in oregon with 53% of the vote.
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>> john kasich and ted cruz follow, though they both dropped out of the race, of course. joining us here in l.a. is james lacy, the author of ""taxifornia"" and a trump supporter. >> and republican strategist bob stutzman with the stop trump campaign. the trump campaign put out a statement that says it's now working with the party to actually start raising money. this is what they said. by working together with the rnc to raise support for republicans everywhere, we are going to defeat hillary clinton, keep republican majorities in congress and in the states, and make america great again. does that essentially signal the surrender of the republican national committee to the trump campaign? >> what a relief to hear all that. well, look, the committee has surrendered several weeks ago after the indiana primary. and i don't find a lot of fault with chairman priebus doing what essentially he's been elected to do, which is to put the apparatus to the party for use for the nominee of the party. and that's what he's doing.
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obviously, though, throughout the republican world, there remains a lot of hesitation, apprehension, if not outright defiance if trump is the nominee. >> so let me ask you this. and, james, to you, does this now send a signal to major gop donors that it's time to open up their checkbooks. >> i think it does, but i don't think that's anything unusual. i mean republican donors are just biting at the bit for the opportunity to get involved in this race. >> big donors have been sitting it out. >> i think sherman adelson, who is a big donor in las vegas, said the other day he was willing to put up $100 million to help donald trump get elected president. >> do the koch brothers now get involve involved? >> the donors are going to be coming in. what i find more amazing is that rob stutzman is still with the stop hillary campaign. it must be pretty clonelonely u there in sacramento. look, the california republican party is filing in behind trump, as is the rest of the nation, and i do think that the
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fund-raising agreement that was signed today shows donald trump's commitment to the republican party. we're all in the same boat is what he's saying. >> rob, just to pick up on something that james just said, is it time to think the unthinkable and actually go out there and vote for a democrat, hillary clinton? >> well, no, i won't be. i think there's some republicans who are considering that. i think this is truly an election where you have two unsuitable choices for president leading the two major parties. and i'm not alone. i think there's a lot of us that are saying it's perfectly okay for republicans. the party of lincoln and reagan and eisenhower to be concerned that someone who is not fit to be president of the united states is going to be the nominee of our party. that also is taking policy positions that are absolutely ant they cal to why most of us are republicans. so, look, this isn't going to go away. we're not trying to get hillary clinton elected either, but there is certainly a principaled
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position for republicans to settle into for the future of our party to not participate in this. >> james i want to put this to you, because a lot of republicans especially on the foreign policy side, they are the ones especially worried about donald trump, especially when he says things that are off the cuff like he said to the reuters news agency, that if he was president, he would actually go out and talk to the north koreans. >> i would speak to him. i would have no problem speaking to him. at the same time, i would put a lot of pressure on china because economically we have tremendous power over china. people don't realize that. >> you say you would talk to kim? >> i would speak to him. i have no problem with speaking to him. >> talking to kim jong-un would be rolling back decades of foreign policy. >> but our foreign policy has been a complete disaster, and it's been a complete disaster under the democrats. when jimmy carter ran for president in 1976, one of his campaign planks was to remove u.s. troops from south korea.
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then when clinton was elected, who did he appoint to go and negotiate a nuclear disarment treaty with north korea? jimmy carter. he went to korea, he negotiated with the north koreans, and what happened? he came back with a nuclear disarm ament agreement that allowed the north koreans to have all the nukes they need to have. the democrats have screwed up this policy. i don't think donald trump could do worse. in fact, i think donald trump could bring something fresh to this relationship and maybe get something done on it. but the democrats have been the disaster on north korea. >> jim, do you agree on disbanding nato? should we disband nato? >> no, it's not -- it's not dismantling nato, and you greatly misstate his positions on these issues. what trump has said -- >> which is? >> is that nato -- can i talk? you asked me a question. let me respond. what trump has said is that nato has come to a point where it has
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outlived its usefulness as the old nato because nato's a creation of a cold war era that's done. there is no communist government that's in charge in western europe. the only communist government is in china. that doesn't affect nato. the problem that we have now is security. we have all of these problems with international terrorism and with radical islamic terrorism in western europe. he wants to look into an international organization that not only has nato's capabilities but that focuses on the real problems. >> okay. >> we'll have to leave that. we didn't get to the question which embarrassed donald trump, but we'll get to it last hour. >> i think we'll call this rountd a draw between you two. i think it's like round 15 between you and rob. >> rob, come back next hour. we'll take a short break. bill clinton campaigning for hillary clinton, but one question that seems to follow him and it dates back to the 1990s. plus a woman in virginia wasn't happy in either presidential candidate.
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welcome back, everybody. we want to take a look now at the matchup for the general election between donald trump and hillary clinton. joining us now for more on that, democratic strategist -- >> welcome. >> thanks for joining the late, late, late show. donald trump tweeted this out today. quote, i look so forward to debating crooked hillary clinton. democratic primaries are rigged. e-mail investigation is rigged. time to get it on. matt, out of all the 17 republicans who began this race, is donald trump the one who is most likely to get under clinton's skin? >> as for getting under her skin, yes, definitely. that one, i'll say yes. i don't think that his twitter strategy is going to be as effective as it was in the primary. there are about six times as many voters in the general election as there was in the primary and i think trump is going to have a tougher time. he's going to enjoy himself and send out these tweets. >> did you have concerns about
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that, a nominee who seems to focus on the fireworks as opposed to detailed policy discussions? >> it's playing into this presidential cycle just perfectly. he seems to be playing the game really well right now. >> as someone who worked for ronald reagan and all these comparisons with donald trump and ronald reagan, how does that sit with you? >> you know, certainly there are so many things that are different about them. but i believe that they're both talking right to the people. they're not talking above them or beneath them. they're talking right to them and something about their message is resonating. and ronald reagan in 1976 and 1980 both was seen as an outsider and would not have been who the party would have chosen. >> will it be enough to focus just on the insults? i mean going into -- >> and the angry white man. >> going into november? >> i don't think that's going to be enough, but i think that people are very captivated by the insults and the tweet and i think we as a nation need to move past that on both sides of the party. i think there's more that unites than divides as a party and a nation. >> let me speak to that for one second. you worked for ronald reagan,
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and i remember my wife was -- i think she lived in panama when ronald reagan was president. one of the things she talked about is the very positive message that ronald reagan provided that made her love the united states just hearing ronald reagan talk. donald trump is like the opposite of that. and that is something that i think is going to lead to his losing in this campaign. but i think his message is the opposite. i think as a reagan person, you'd be very distressed hearing donald trump's message. >> one thing i'm wondering because bernie sanders is still in the race here. he's still attacking hillary clinton, and donald trump is using a lot of what bernie sanders is saying to also go after hillary clinton. as an independent voter, when you hear one side of the political spectrum say one thing and the complete opposite say the same thing, doesn't that tend to stick? is this bernie sanders you know causing damage for hillary clinton? >> i think at this point i'm not too thrilled with the bernie sanders message at this point. i think it's -- this idea that
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the votes are being taken away from them, which donald trump mentions in his tweet, is ridiculous. i mean hillary is beating him by millions of votes. and i think that bernie sanders has to tell his people that this is not rigged. he's losing, and he's going to lose fair and square. that's the way it goes, and he's going to lose. there aren't new rules for the democratic primary, but he wasn't a democrat until now. maybe he didn't know the rules. but i think you had weaver on before. i think their message at this point is off. i do think they are harming hillary to an extent, and they need to -- look, i understand bernie sanders has a lot of money and a lot of supporters. why would he want to go back to the senate and hang back with lindsey graham and ted cruz? i understand. at this point, this party has to come together and bernie brings to bring the party together. >> he's given no indication that he plans to drop out or change any of his messaging. how does the clinton campaign minimize the damage that's being done? >> listen, we have a few more primaries to go. we've got california on the 7th,
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and hillary does need to at some point reach out to the bernie supporters and reach out to bernie and bring them into the fold. it is incumbent on bernie to talk to his supporters, to get them in. it's also incumbent on hillary to talk to the bernie supporters and get them in. she needs the bernie supporters. >> hillary clinton called bill clinton her not so secret weapon on the campaign trail. take a look at this. this was the former president campaigning in puerto rico today. >> mr. president, do you want to respond to donald trump today calling you one of the worst political leaders in u.s. history? >> i think people are smart enough to figure this out. >> so, peggy, do you think donald trump has effectively neutralized bill clinton now because everywhere he goes, he's going to be asked are you the worst president for women ever? >> well, women are not seen as a voting bloc, i don't think. i think there's a lot of women who support donald trump. there's a lot of women who don't
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support hillary clinton. so to categorize us and speak for women in general, either side of the story is not going to be effective, i don't think. >> do you think anything should be off limits in this race? i mean as donald trump brings up the indiscretions of former president clinton? is that fair game in your view as someone who's worked in this business? >> well, if he's going to be out on the campaign trail speaking on behalf of his wife, then i think he's fair game. if he chose to sit on the sidelines, maybe we'd be having a different conversation. but in the world of social media, truly everything's on the record. >> very quickly, megyn kelly spoke to donald trump tonight and she specifically asked him about, you know, being called a bimbo. listen to this. >> you would be amazed at the ones i don't re-tweet. >> bimbo? >> well, that was a re-tweet, yeah. did i say that? >> many time. >> oh, okay. excuse me. >> what do you think with -- >> not the most horrible thing.
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again, politically, not the most -- over your life, megyn, you've been called a lot worst. >> you've been called a lot worst. >> i don't know how much worse she's been called. let's remember that donald trump has a 70% unfavorable amongst women. the thing he says about heidi cruz, the things he said about megyn kelly. he yelled at a woman for breast-feeding in front of him. he talks about wanting to date his daughter. i don't think numbers among women are going to be going up very much. >> we need to be talking about our national security. we need to be talking about the sovereignty of our borders. we need to be talking about jobs and the possibilities for the future. so i think there's more agree upon than we disagree on. >> we'll see, peggy and matt, thanks for being with us. here's proof that some people don't like any of this year's presidential candidates. this yard sign, everybody sucks 2016, is getting a lot of attention. >> the homeowners in kansas say it started as a joke. people are honking.
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>> a virginia woman devieded to voice her political opinions from beyond the gram. her obituary says that when faced with the choice of donald trump or hillary clinton, she chose death. >> nolan's husband says the obituary was meant as a joke and a way to continue his wife's sense of humor. >> that's a pretty good joke. >> thanks for watching our special coverage of the oregon and kentucky primaries. i'm isha sesay. >> i'm john vause. we'll be back with another hour of live news from los angeles. you're watching cnn. like hampton, doubletree, hilton garden inn, and waldorf astoria so stop clicking around. book direct at hilton.com now that's satisfaction.
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hello, everybody. great to have you with us. we'd like to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm john vause. >> and i'm isha sesay. thank you for joining us. hillary clinton is back in the win column in the u.s. presidential race after a nail-biter in kentucky's democratic primary. clinton edged out bernie sanders by just half a percentage point. she breaks a string of recent losses to her rival. >> sanders does pick up the win in oregon with 53% of the vote, but clinton still has a sizeable delegate lead. 89 shy of clinching the
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democratic nomination. >> speaking tuesday night at a rally here in southern california, bernie sanders says he is still optimistic about his chances despite the delegate math. >> we won a great victory in the state of washington a few months ago. we just won oregon. and we're going to win california. i am getting to like the west coast. >> donald trump adds to his big delegate lead with a win in oregon. the last republican in the race with a commanding 66% of the vote. that's right now. john kasich, ted cruz still on the ballot, not campaigning. trailing far hingd. >> trump's delegate total is now 1175. that is 62 short of the number he needs to officially win the
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nomination. >> as the votes came in, a highly anticipated interview went to air between trump and his one-time adversary megyn kelly. the fox news host steered clear of policy questions but did ask donald trump about any campaign regrets. >> let me just give you a list of a couple and tell me whether you have any regrets on it. the comment about john mccain. you prefer people who weren't captured. the comment about carly fiorina's face. but do you regret any of those comments? >> yeah, i guess so. but you have to go forward. you make a mistake, you go forward, and you -- you know, you can correct the mistake. but to look back and say, gee whiz, i wish i didn't do this or that, i don't think that's good. i don't even think in a certain way, i don't even think that's healthy. >> joining us now, republican consultant john thomas and democratic strategist dave jacobson, the wise men as they're known around here. what did you make of that interview with megyn kelly,
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especially that little bite he played there? he couldn't even, you know, cross the line to admitting full regret? >> you know, regret is as close as we're ever going to get to an apology from donald trump. i think it was a big step, but, look, donald trump's brand is that he won't apologize. in fact he's made the case that america is apologizing too much. so should he have apologized for that? absolutely. am i waiting up at night for him to -- no, it's never going to happen. >> let's talk about the campaign, the race, especially the kentucky. clinton, she needs this win, she spent money that she didn't want to spend. she spent time in kentucky that she didn't want to spend time there. she sent bill clinton out on the campaign. she carried it in 2008. tonight, less than half a percentage point. to you, this is not exactly the result they're looking for but at the end of the day, a win is a win? >> i guess. all these states are proportional. she just has to move forward
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through this process. she's less than 100 votes away from locking up the critical number to become the presumptive democratic nominee. i think one thing people aren't talking enough about is she was polling 13 points ahead of bernie sanders just days ago in oregon, and he had a blowout victory there. i think that's a testament to the fact that he actually helped to register, i think it was reported by the l.a. times, around 92,000 new voters as democrats for that election. i think that's a really big deal. >> oregon is also kind of ground zero for a lot of bernie sanders national campaign as well. they have a lot of young people working for sanders. even though that poll had her ahead, it wasn't entirely unexpected he would win oregon? >> it was also next door to washington where e had a huge victory. >> bernie sanders is not going to be the nominee on the democratic side but tonight is more -- hillary has a problem with her base. they're fractured. they're not in love with her. every single day that goes by that the base does not consolidate and hillary clinton
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cannot pivot to a general election gives donald trump time to heal wounds with megyn kelly, with leadership. the democrats are going to need all the time they can get. >> she show not to speak this evening after her win in kentucky. instead she put out a tweet. let's put that up for our viewers. she said, we just won kentucky. thanks to everyone who turned out. we're always stronger united. that was followed up by a statement put out by the clinton campaign. they go on to say we're confident that the passion and energy from the primary will be united in a common purpose to move forward the ideals of our party and keep the white house out of donald trump's hands. they've got to be talking about unity, especially after what we saw in nevada on saturday with those angry scenes involving sanders supporters. the question is, you know, has this just gone on for so long, are they past the point of no return in terms of unifying this party, dave? >> i don't think so. i think it underscores there is sort of a fracturing, a splintering in the party for
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sure. but it's nothing like what we saw in the republican contest, character insults, bare knuckle tactics in the primary. you're seeing some of that on the democratic side but not nearly -- if you look at polting in 2008, 40% of supporters said they would never support barack obama. >> this is a different moment, though. even you would acknowledge that. what they're tapping into is different from 2008. >>. absolutely, but only 25% of bernie sanders supporters say they won't ultimately support hillary clinton. if you look at the base vote that sort of compromised barack obama's coalition that propelled him to the white house, women, minorities, older voters, those folks are coalescing around hillary clinton, and i think ultimately that's what's going to propel her to the white house. >> hillary has a larger problem, a rasmussen tracker poll came out this week asking the right track, wrong track question for the direction of the country. 60% of americans say we're on the wrong track. hillary clinton, to get through this democratic primary, has hugged barack obama's legacy and essentially is running as a third term. >> that 40% versus the 25% of
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bernie supporters who say they won't vote for hillary, back in 2008, hillary clinton actively campaigned for barack obama once the primary process was all over and told everyone to fall in line and didn't demand any concessions from obama. is that going to happen this time with bernie sanders? >> well, look, i think ultimately he'll get there but i think he's going to want some concessions. he's already saying i want issues like social justice reforms, $15 an hour minimum wage, singer payer reforming the primary process to open it up to independents and people who don't normally participate in the process. so i think he's going to try to sort of latch onto that platform and fundamentally overhaul it in some meaningful way. it's just a question of how and how much he's going to get and what the clinton campaign is willing to do moving forward. >> the problem in 2008 is barack obama was an inspirational figure that motivated his base. hillary clinton is no barack obama. >> it's interesting because clinton is staying away from the chaos in nevada. she doesn't want to offend, i guess, the bernie sanders supporters. but she is leaving the talking to other officials, in
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particular, the party chair woman, debbie wasserman schultz. >> unfortunately the senator's response was anything but acceptable. it certainly did not condemn his supporters for acting violently or engaging in intimidation tactics, and instead added more fuel to the fire. >> you know, dnc party leaders obviously getting irritated with sanders. and, you know, publicly coming out and rebuking him. what impact is that going to have on sanders? is he just going to zig his heels in even further? >> i think if you saw his speech tonight in california, he definitely is. he's going all the way. he's continuing to criticize the party and the party processing. it's a rigged system. he's tying it to, you know, the gridlock in washington, the corrupt system that he calls it at least with wall street. i think the reality is he's going to continue to carry that message, but i don't know if he's going to carry it beyond, you know, when people stop casting votes. you've got california coming up, new jersey on june 7th, and you've got washington, d.c. and
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then there's almost a month before the convention. so the real question is what is he going to do after people stop voting? >> this is a trump-like strategy. you think that his dnc establishment would learn by now what happened to the republican side. if the establishment slams him, it rallies bernie's supporters. >> and bernie sanders is out there on the campaign just a few hours ago telling people he's not going anywhere. >> many of the pundits and politicians, they say bernie sanders should drop out. [ booing ] >> the people of california should not have the right to determine who the next will be. [ booing ] >> well, let me be as clear as i can be. i agree with you. we are in to the last ballot is cast. >> a think a lot of people it's
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hard to run for president. it's a lot harder to stop running for president. >> i'm going to start calling bernie sanders don quijote, he is dream dreaming the impossible dream, chasing windmills day after day. >> to the point, dave, he's not leveling with his supporters. irmean he's kind of leading them on this fantasy that at least as the math stands right now, that he can still win this thing. >> he keeps saying there is a very narrow path. that narrow path means he needs to win all the pledged delegates. he's got to get more than two-thirds of the vote moving forward, and then he's got to switch the super delegates, right if that's the whole play. and unfortunately those folks are locked in with the clinton campaign. i just don't see it happening. >> the very big interview tonight, between megyn kelly and donald trump. dylan buyers, let's bring him into the conversation. >> dylan, you had a quick look at this interview with donald trump and megyn kelly. i want to play one more sound bite because this was how donald
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trump talked about that question back at the very first fox news debate from megyn kelly which sparked their feud. >> i thought it was a fair question. why didn't you? >> i thought it was unfair. i thought -- first of all, i didn't think it was really a question. i thought it was more of a statement. that's the first question that i've ever been asked during a debate, and i've never debated before. i mean my whole life is a debate but i've never actually debated before. i'm saying to myself, man, what a question. then of course you have brett doing his thing. i'm saying to myself, i got two hours of this? i don't really blame you because you're doing your thing. but from my standpoint, i don't have to like it. >> dylan, there was so much hype leading up to this interview. did it live up to it? >> no, it didn't live up to it, and i don't think that it could have. i think the expectation going into this interview was we were going to get a rematch of megyn kelly v. donald trump that we had seen on the debate stage in august and then seen again at
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the later fox news debate that donald trump actually showed up to. this was not megyn kelly's prerogative going in. she was trying to do something different. she's trying to sort of create a new space for herself as sort of the next barbara walters or the next oprah winfrey. she wanted the sort of groundbreaking interviews that people felt that, you know, that the entire nation has to come to, to watch. she didn't want a contentious interview that was going to alienate a lot of donald trump supporters and sort of take her out of the running for that position. i will say that's fair. these are two different sorts of interviews. but if you're going into this thinking that you're going to get, you know, fist cuffs, obviously that didn't happen. >> yeah, and dylan, megyn kelly had signs posted that her intention was this interview was to get at donald trump's temperament and try to get to understand his inner workings. i thought it was interesting that it came out of the interview that donald trump said the way he has conducted himself throughout this campaign has worked for him, his directness,
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that has been a winning formula. i would see this as something i guess somewhat worrying for the likes of paul ryan and reince priebus because basically what he said in this interview is he's not not for changing. he's going to keep on being how he's been to date. >> even in that interview, you saw him trying to strike a more sort of conciliatory tone. he's trying to have it both ways at once. he's going to continue to be donald, i say what i say, i do what i do, but he's also sitting down with megyn kelly. he's trying to reach out and extend the olive branch in some regard. but, you know, you talk about megyn kelly trying to get at donald trump's temperament with this interview. i don't know if she succeeded. but, again, you know, donald trump has been out there as the republican front-runner, now the presumptive republican nominee, for almost a year at this point. and no one has really answered the question of what makes donald trump tick. what is his temperament? that's what megyn kelly was trying to achieve tonight. i don't know if she pulled it off.
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>> dylan, there was, i guess, one admission from trump which i thought was a little surprising about whether or not if he wins this election and how he'll be impacted by all of that. listen to this. >> if i don't go all the way and if i don't win, i will consider it to be a total and complete waste of time, energy, and money. >> i guess, dylan, as the saying goes, winning isn't everything. it's the only thing. >> yeah, indeed. and of course donald trump has to broadcast the idea that he's in this to become the president of the united states. look, when this election is over, if donald trump does not become the president of the united states, he will have boosted his brand immeasurably. of course there will be plenty of people out there who will never want to look at donald trump's face again much less read one of his tweets or listen to one of his phone calls into a news show. but that core group of supporters, those tens of millions of voters who have turned out to vote for donald trump and who really believe
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that he is the face of the antiestablishment movement, those people are going to be buying into the donald trump brand for a long time. and in a way, for a guy whose sort of tenure of the host of the apprentice was coming to an end and who didn't really have a new business strategy, he certainly found one by running for president of the united states and upending all of the media's expectations about what he could actually achieve. >> dylan, let's put that to the wise men in the studio. john, what do you make of that? donald trump saying it will be all for naught if he doesn't win? >> he's right. he wants to be a winner. he wants to make america win again. if you're not first, you're last. >> oh, stop. you're saying there are no upsides to this for him if he does lose? >> well, look, his brand is better off. but i do think to his core, he feels he's running now to represent a perspective in the american public and it's his duty to win. if he doesn't win, america loses. i think he's sincere in this effort. >> i think he's running to be the next mike huckabee.
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[ laughter ] >> okay. dave jacobson, john thomas, and of course dylan byers in our newsroom upstairs, thanks to you all. much more of our coverage of the u.s. election ahead, including donald trump admitting he'd have no problem speaking to an enemy of the united states. >> plus, we'll ask bernie sanders' campaign manager who's to blame for the convention chaos in nevada? burning, pins-and-needles of beforediabetic nerve pain, these feet played shortstop in high school, learned the horn from my dad and played gigs from new york to miami. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain.
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hello, everyone. a close finish in kentucky's democratic primary with hillary clinton winning by a wafer thin margin. >> clinton squeaked by, beating sanders winning streak. >> it isn't a close contest on the republican side. presumptive nominee donald trump comes away with 66% of the vote as of now. >> former candidates john kasich and ted cruz' is names were still on the ballot. 16% apiece for them in oregon. >> joining us here in l.a.,
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james lacy, the author of "taxifornia," and from sacramento, california, republican strategist rob stutzman with the stop trump campaign. gentlemen, good to have you with us once again. robert, if i could start with you, the trump campaign a short time ago putting out a statement announcing that the rnc and the trump campaign will now be forming a fund-raising partnership which would see the prospective nominee raise funds. part of the statement is up on the screen and it reads that by working with together with the rnc to raise support for republicans everywhere, we are going to defeat hillary clinton, keep republican majorities in congress and in the states, and make america great again. given the well publicized concern among some republicans about trump's impact on those down state ballots, if you're in the battle for your seat, say, in a purple state, how would you feel about this? is this something you're going to run towards? >> well, it's good news in that if, you know, part of the
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obligation of the nominee is to raise money to fund infrastructure in states throughout the country. and this is now what this arrangement will enable that to happen. so this is good news for republican candidates throughout the country. so, you know, even someone like me is in a predicament here where i still want to see fund-raising go very well for the infrastructure of the party. we're way behind on this because donald trump hasn't been raising money. he's been telling everyone he is going to self-fund and now, you know, surprise, he can't self-fund. and as the clinton super pac goes on the air today against him in key states, he's way, way behind. but this is good news for republican candidates throughout the country. >> so, james, it is a flip-flop because one of the talking points, one of the selling points of donald trump earlier on is he's paying for his own campaign. nobody owns hip. but now suddenly sheldon adelson is putting up $100 million. isn't the argument here he'll be bought just like everybody else? >> well, it might be a
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flip-flop, but it's not a substantive flip-flop. i think that what voters care about are the issues that he's been articulating and the reason he's racking up these big margins, 66% tonight, more votes than any other candidate has ever received for president from the republican party is about his issues. it's been voters being angry. what's not given enough focus is that donald trump has been very frugal and probably one of the best spenders per vote of any presidential candidate ever. you know, he only spent $900,000 to win that critical indiana primary where there was $9 million spent against him for cruz. you know, i think whatever money is put into the race that trump helps to raise will be spent very well, and i agree with rob. it's a good thing. >> rob, do you -- i mean you just heard james say it's not a substantive flip flof. do you feel that way?
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>> it's substantive. this is part of his appeal that he's completely independent of special interests. so, you know, there should be a concern that he's now going back on his word on this, and he has g begun to go back on his word on other strong statements he's made such at banning muslims from the country which is now apparently just a suggestion. so there's a broader pool of voters here. you go from the 28 million who have voted so far in republican primaries to about 130 million who are going to vote nationally in the general electorate in november. they're trying to figure out what to do, and he's not going to make progress with those voters when he keeps flip-flopping on elements that are central to the narrative of his candidacy. >> we're also seeing -- >> he's bragging today about his wealth. sell a hotel, and let's go elect republicans across the country. >> i don't think that's going to affect one vote. i think that far more substantive is the pay to play of the clinton foundation and the fact that hillary clinton received $300,000 to give a
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speech to this special interest or that special interest. the fact that foreign countries have paid to play with the clintons in terms of policy. so, you know, it seems to me that that's an issue. somebody is going to have to pay to communicate with the voters in this election, and it seems to me that this agreement is going to be a good one. >> one of the issues that many of the stop trump people have had is the language he's used, his tweets, especially using the word bimbo. that came up with megyn kelly on fox news. this was a moment where donald trump almost seemed embarrassed. >> you would be amazed at the ones i don't re-tweet. >> bimbo? >> uh, well, that was a re-tweet, yeah. did i say that. >> many times. >> oh, okay. excuse me. >> what do you think with -- >> not the most horrible thing. again, politically, not the most -- over your life, megyn, you've been called a lot worse.
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>> so, james, if donald trump is embarrassed by that kind of stuff, can you at least understand why some within the party are horrified by that kind of stuff? >> well, you have to look at what the voter attitudes are. now, if you look at florida, for example, in the recent quinn e quinnipiac poll, you see donald trump has a lead in florida, important swing state, among men, among seniors, and among white voters. hillary clinton has a little bit of a less lead among women. when you look at the full picture, trump frankly has upward momentum with his base vote of seniors who have been priced out of medicare, of disaffected white voters that he can move up with, and male voters. i'm sorry that sounds politically incorrect, but he has upward momentum. hillary is the person who has a male voter problem, and i think
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today with megyn kelly, you saw a more humble donald trump, who understands he's got to work on the women vote and who is going to be doing that. >> but we heard from donald trump saying that's not the worst thing you've been called. i mean is that presidential? put aside the policy and the upward trajectory with the base. is it presidential? >> i honestly think people will feel that it is what a neighbor would say. i think it's refreshing. i think that it shows a genuine attitude. well, my neighbor might not have the skills that donald trump has, but certainly to build up the business that he's built up qualifies him to be president. i think that it's just his personality. his personality. he's a cultural icon, and this is so different from anything that we've had in the past. >> let's get to some foreign policy stuff here because this is one of the areas that many in the republican party are concerned with, that donald trump tends to say a lot of things off the cuff, doesn't have a complete grasp of the issues. he was talking about north korea and the fact that he would actually hold talks with the north koreans.
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>> i would -- i would speak to him. i would have no problem speaking to him. at the same time, i would put a lot of pressure on china because economically we have tremendous power over china. people don't realize that. >> but you say you would talk to kim? >> the one -- i would speak to him. i have no problem with speaking to him. >> rob, when you hear that, does that just reinforce everything you're terrified about? >> yeah. he doesn't know what he's doing. he doesn't understand what that projects around the world. the same way when he talks about that he'll take a serious look at scuttling nato. what that tells our allies for the last half century in that part of the world, there's huge ramifications to this. he off the cuff says he wants to rearm japan with nuclear weapons. nuclear proliferation. i mean that's the platform of the republican nominee for president? it just continues to demonstrate he doesn't have a grasp of this, which means he's unfit to have those codes to the weaponry of
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this country. >> okay. james? >> you could have said the same thing about barack obama. i think seven years ago, barack obama said he'd meet with the ayatollah if it was necessary. and where did that get him, huh? >> okay. james. >> my excuse is this. donald trump's a real person. he's not a phony politician. >> all right, gentlemen. >> with that, we're going to say good night to you both. rob stutzman as always, and james lacy here in los angeles. we appreciate it, guys, thank you very much. a short break. political passions at feever pitch. democratic leaders say bernie sanders needs to get a grip on his supporters. we'll tell you what the sanders campaign is saying next.
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welcome back, everybody. donald trump is moving closer to officially clinching the republican presidential nomination. his latest win comes in oregon with 66% of the vote. >> john kasich and ted cruz, who are no longer campaigning, trail with 16%. >> bernie sanders took the democratic primary in oregon with 54% of the vote. >> and in kentucky, hillary clinton won a nail-biter, beating sanders by less than 2,000 votes. >> sanders' victory in oregon is not enough to overcome clinton's lead in the delegate count, but sanders not giving up. >> i want to thank you all for coming out because this is, in a
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sense, the beginning of the final push to win california. >> los angeles supporters set up alarms among party leaders when they shut down the democrats. >> sanders supporters shouted her down when she tried to speak in favor of clinton. [ crowd booing ] >> jeff weaver, campaign manager for bernie sanders, joins us now from burlington, vermont. thanks for being with us. there's a lot of pressure on senator sanders by senior democrats for him to rein in his supporters after the violence in nevada. why hasn't he done that yet? >> well, i think it's an overstate to say it was violence in nevada. there was obviously a lot of chaos at the nevada state
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convention. bernie sanders has said categorically that he condemns any kind of violence or threats that were made against anybody. but people have to understand what went on in nevada. there was a process that was put in place that was clearly geared to sort of create a one-sided outcome. there were voiced votes on the floor which were overruled by the chair, and it became -- it sort of broke down once it became very clear, i think, to people that there was not going to be fairness at that convention. >> look, no one would ever question the right of people to, you know, to ask about the rules, to argue about process. this is politics. but you did mention the democrat chair woman for nevada. her name is roberta lange. she says she's been inundated with death threats. she's received abusive voicemail and text messages. this is what she said to cnn earlier today. >> i get threats every one to two seconds on my phone, on my e-mail, on twitter, on facebook.
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it is endless. in fact, it has gotten worse as time goes on, and it -- you know, it's awful. they've attacked my work. >> i also want to play for you one of those voicemail messages because many of the others just aren't suitable for air. listen to this. >> this is a citizen of the united states of america, and i just wanted to let you know that people like you should be hung in public execution to show this world we won't stand for this sort of corruption. i don't know what kind of money they're paying to you, but i don't know you sleep at night. you are a sick, twisted piece of [ bleep ] and i hope you burn for this, cowardly [ bleep ] running off the stage. i hope people find you. >> i imagine the sanders campaign would at least condemn that type of behavior, and i'm wondering has anybody from the campaign actually managed to reach out and apologize? >> well, we categorically reject and find unacceptable any kind of behavior like that, whether it's violence or threats of violence or vulgarity that you
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heard in that phone call, that's absolutely unacceptable in any context. so i don't think there's any disagreement about that certainly. >> do you think someone from the sanders campaign should reach out to roberta lange and apologize for what, you know, the sanders supporters have been doing to her because there's been a lot of threats. there's been a lot of text messages. >> well, we certainly -- we certainly -- as i said, we condemn it. the senator has said he condemns it 100%. what we are concerned about obviously is to make sure this type of thing does not happen or continue to happen. in addition to that, we want to make sure that we -- people are aware of what happened in nevada at the state democratic party. there was a horrendous breakdown in the process where the leadership there in nevada hijacked the process on the floor, created a tremendous amount of angst among people who were there attending the convention, who were supporters of senator sanders. by ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do.
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it was in terms of a democratic exercise, it was pretty much a disaster. >> one last thing about the nevada caucus. joan kato seemed to be encouraging supporters to take over that event before it started. this is what she said to them. >> you should not leave. i'm going to repeat that. unless you are told by somebody from the campaign, i.e., probably me or david that you can leave, you should not leave. i don't care if the chair is up there herself or whoever the chair is and whoever becomes the chair, you should not leave. >> so in hindsight, was that perhaps not the best thing to do? >> no. in fact, that conclusion that you came to that that somehow is taking over the convention, apparently you aren't as familiar with how these caucuses work. that is a very standard part of the process. what you don't want your people to do is leave prematurely
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because often there are recounts during these caucuses. and when your people leave, first you're winning and then you're losing. so that is a very standard instruction that are given to delegates at caucuses to not leave until the campaign says it's okay to go. it has nothing to do with taking over the convention. you know, that kind of conclusion about what that means, i think would only come from somebody who is not all that familiar with how this whole process works. that is a very standard instruction that's give to delegates at a caucus. don't leave because votes are taken and there are often revotes. if your people leave, you lose the revotes. >> there was a poll out today. it shows senator sanders a clear favorite among democrats to be hillary clinton's running mate, assuming of course that mr. sanders doesn't win the nomination. if bernie sanders is asked, would he accept? >> i think he's running for the top spot at the moment. so i think that's -- that's what the goal is, and that's what the focus is right now. >> and with that, we wish you good luck. thanks for being with us, jeff. >> thank you, sir.
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>> yeah, he wasn't biting on that last one. >> maybe a little early for that. >> might be. time for a quick break now. still to come, more on donald trump's head to head interview with fox news host megyn kelly. we'll look back at where the feud between the two all began. and i'm nina dos santos here on the factory floor of siemens operations. after the break, i'm going to be telling you what big business and small business in britain and beyond makes of the potential impact of the so-called brexit.
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welcome back, everybody. 12:43 here in los angeles, and britain's queen elizabeth, will formally open parliament in the coming hours. >> this year, history will be made when british voters decide on june 23rd whether or not to stay in the european union. >> as that referendum gets
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closer, the rhetoric ramps up. >> david cameron raised some eyebrows on tuesday when he said britain leaving the eu would please the leaders of russia and isis. >> it is worth asking the question which -- you know, who would be happy if we left? putin might be happy. i suspect al baghdadi might be happy. >> london's former mayor is among those leading the campaign for britain to leave the european union. in a recent interview, boris johnson suggested the eu is pursuing similar goals to hitler by creating a powerful super state. >> here's the quote. napoleon, hitler, various people tried this out, and it ends tragically. as you might imagine, these comments aren't sitting well with many eu leaders. >> what i hear is eu being compared to the plans and project of adolf hitler, i cannot remain silent. such absurd arguments should be
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completely ignored if they hadn't been formulated by one of the most influential politicians of the ruling party. >> u.s. politicians are also weighing in. donald trump says if he was president, britain would not be at a disadvantage in trade talks. >> if you become president and we've come out of european union, what would your view be about where britain should sit in priority terms with trade deals with the united states? >> i don't think they'll be heard at all. they're have to make their own deal. >> would they be back of the queue? would they be front of the queue? >> britain's been such a great ally that they went into things that they haven't have gone into, like as an example, going into iraq. with me, they'll always be treated fantastically. >> would we be front of the queue? >> i don't want to say freofnt r
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anything else. >> we wouldn't be back of the queue? trade? >> you would certainly not be back of the queue. that i can tell you. >> live now to the u.k. nina dos santos. >> and max foster is live outside parliament. max, let's start with you. the queen's opening of parliament taking place a short time from now. as always, it's accompanied by a great deal of pomp and pageantry. >> yeah, the queen will be arriving at the entrance behind me. only she is allowed to go through that entrance. so that really describes the pomp and ceremony we've got today. she'll arrive in a carriage, and she'll have her crown on, and she'll read a speech written by the government, which outlines the legislative agenda for the next year. this is the agenda that david cameron wants to push through, various laws about prisons and about health and various other things he wants to get through. and interestingly, brexit or the eu referendum does come into this because what he wants to do is address one of the big concerns that people have, and that is that the european court
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of rights over in the european union, away from here in london, has control over a lot of what is allowed here in the u.k. so he wants to bring some of that power back. he wants to remain part of the system, the legal system, in europe, but he wants british judges to have the final say on human rights, for example. so that's where the referendum comes into this, where politics comes into this, where he wants to convince people by staying in the european union that actually it will be okay. you can address some of those concerns about the european union, but there's the broader question, isha, which is whether or not he'll be in power to push these laws through. that's because if he loses the referendum, there's going to be a question about his leadership whether or not he'll be in power even in a couple of months. >> it's a big day, the beginning of an important couple of weeks there in the u.k. >> nina dos santos is following how the referendum would impact businesses large and small.
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nina, this is like going down the rabbit hole for every story you read about economic doom, there seems to be another one that says brexit would be great for business. what's the bottom line? >> reporter: yeah, well the bottom line is it depends on how big your bottom line really is. that's the exact way of summing it up. if you're a really big business, you're exporting an awful lot to europe, obviously you're going to be more exposed to europe, and you're probably going to want to trade with what is the biggest single market anywhere on the planet. far more, if you're a british owned business that doesn't trade a lot with europe, you're perhaps more tempted by the views of independents cutting all of that kind of red tape. what we're also going to be talking about here is foreign direct investments into the u.k. so the u.k. is a big recipient of foreign investment from companies like, for instance, the german manufacturer siemens which employs 14,000 staff here across the u.k. i'm on one of their factory floors that makes these.
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these are what we call relays. they go into signal boxes for trains. this is the exact embodiment of what the eu means to big companies like these. these are designed in the u.k. manufactured inside the u.k., and they've been exported not just to other european countries but to 90 other countries around the world, specifically from the u.k. what we've heard repeatedly from big businesses that have invested their operations inside the u.k. but from outside this particular country is they've said, well, britain's future really should be best off inside the european union because it gives it access to so much more free trade to sell goods like this onto the biggest single common market that there is anywhere on the planet. 500 million consumers, and you wouldn't want to miss out on that opportunity. so big business very much in favor of staying inside the eu. smaller business, a little bit more vocal but overwhelmingly also still in favor of staying with the status quo. >> okay.
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ni nina dose san toez, breaking it down there. >> max, appreciate it. thanks to you both. a lot more just ahead. stay with us. we'll be right back.
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welcome back, everybody. hillary clinton closer to the democratic presidential nomination after a neck and neck contest in kentucky. >> she narrowly won the state's primary beating bernie sanders by less than 2,000 votes. sanders did pick up another win tuesday, beating clinton in oregon's primary with 54% of the vote. >> it's a definitive win for donald trump in oregon. the presumptive republican nominee has 66% of the vote. >> former rivals john kasich and ted cruz are far back as you see there with 16%. >> not bad. they didn't campaign there. >> former republican rival jeb bush is slamming donald trump over his controversial cinco de mayo tweet. you may recall this image from trump with the caption, the best taco bowls are made in trump tower grill. i love hispanics. >> jeb bush told a dutch news out let that trump's message was insensitive. he compared to eating a watermelon and saying, i love
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african-americans. >> moving on, actor bryan cranston says he strongly disagrees with donald trump's policies, but he did admit that about the likely republican nominee. >> i believe donald trump loves this country. i truly believe that, and i know he does. it's just that his approach to how to remedy america's problems differ greatly from what i think should happen. >> bryan cranston stars as former president lyndon b. johnson in the upcoming hbo drama "all the way" but he's probably best known for his role as a high school math teacher turned drug kingpin in "breaking bad," walter white. >> never could watch that. >> best show on television. ruined me for tv for life. >> you were ruined way before that. moving on now, a virginia woman is voicing her political opinions from beyond the grave. mary ann nolan's obit wear
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published monday states when faced with a choice of either donald trump or hillary clinton, she choice to path into the eternal love of god. >> in case you didn't work it out, death. nolan's husband says the obituary was meant as a joke and a way to continue on with his wife's sense of humor. a lot of people feel the same way, i think. >> all right. well, that's all we have time for this hour. i'm isha sesay. >> and i'm john vause. for our viewers in the united states, a lot more election coverage next in "early start". >> for those of you watching internationally, "cnn newsroom" with max foster starts after the break. ♪ approaching medicare eligibility? you may think you can put off checking out your medicare options until you're sixty-five, but now is a good time to get the ball rolling.
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breaking overnight, split decision. bernie sanders takes oregon, hillary clinton wins kentucky, as a new war ignites inside the democratic party. plus, donald trump closer to officially clinching the republican nomination and then offering an olive branch to north korea. we're live to explain. nothing really surprises us anymore, does it? good morning and welcome to "early start." >> so nice to see you. it's wednesday, may 18th. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. breaking news this morning, war brewing in the democratic race for president. hillary clinton barely edging past bernie sanders to win victory in the kentucky primary. sanders takes oregon by aid

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