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donald trump releasing the short list for what could be the biggest hire of his life. "the lead" starts right now. breaking news, donald trump releasing a list of possible supreme court nominees. will it please all those passionate conservative supporters who got him this far? the underdog gunning for a bruising fight in rocky's home town after another nail-biting primary night, bernie sanders telling party bosses that he's going to take his fight all the way to philadelphia. and president obama standing with the saudi royal family against the families of the 9/11 victims. while the senate votes unanimously to allow victims and
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families the right to sue saudi arabia, what's the reason for the president's position? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. donald trump giving 11 answers to one of the biggest question marks of this campaign thus far? minutes ago, trump published a list of 11 names and the judicial agenda for potentially decades. the issue of filling scalia's seat supercharged the republican primary. senator ted cruz ran this ad during the primary saying trump could not be trusted with the responsibility of nominating a justice who would likely help decide cases dealing with abortion rights, same-sex marriage, the president's health care law, immigration, basically, every single hot button issue in the country. we have no indication right now whether this list of potential
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list is comprehensive. he could very well consider someone not on the list released today but he did release this list. let's bring in legal analyst jeffrey toobin. what do you think of these names? >> they are a conservative dream team. this is a list that is designed to appeal to the cruz wing of the party. i think if president cruz were to have taken office and these are very respectful eminent judges. and it's a list of very conservative, very accomplished judges. >> and the response on capitol hill has been very positive from republicans, senator john cornyn, the senate called the list reassuring. do you think that those conservatives out there, who
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have been skeptical of donald trump and his actual conservative bona fides will find this reassuring as well? >> on this issue, absolutely. this is a list that would please any serious conservative because and this is not a list of moderates designed to appeal to the base. this is not a john roberts list. this is a samuel alito, clarence thomas, antonin scalia list. >> previously tweeting this, "who would the donald name to scotus, supreme court of the united states, the mind reel, weeps can't tweet." he's done other tweets critical of mr. trump. either they didn't vet or they didn't care. >> i think the argument is they didn't care. it's an interesting list. there are people there who have
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different background. diane sykes is married to charlie sykes, a very big radio show host in milwaukee who was critical of donald trump. a big ted cruz backer. judge thomas lee on the supreme court of utah is the brother of senator mike lee who is ted cruz's closest ally in the senate. i mean, each name has an appeal to the base of the republican party and i have to believe they are going to be pleased. >> and then also, it does say something, one would think positive, about his attempts to unify the party if he's bringing in people who have been critical of him or are connected to people who have been critical of him. >> well, yes, but not to the moderates in the party, to the extent they still exist. they, i don't think, will be pleased by this list but certainly the conservatives who have been a big problem for donald trump, you know, the --
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that's where the third-party talk has been most loud, they will be pleased by this list and it's going to be, i think, part of the consolidating that he's trying to do with the party. >> fascinating. jeffrey toobin, thank you so much. really appreciate it. trump's supreme court list comes as they try to reach out to party establishment figures on foreign policy. he just arrived with former secretary of state henry kissinger. he arrived at kissinger's home in manhattan about an hour ago. it was only four months ago when kissinger criticized trump's idea to ban muslims from entering the united states until we, quote, figure out what the hell is going on. is trump now, right now, this minute, getting advice? you're seeing mr. trump, i think, walking out. there he is, waving to the cameras. this is live, leaving henry kissinger's house. is this an example of him trying to mend a relationship, only a fly on the wall knows the true conversation that just happened in this private meeting. it comes as trump is raising
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more eyebrows after saying he would like to meet with north korean leader kim jong-un. one could only know what kissinger thought about that. currently not committed to endorsing the presumptive republican nominee, not yet, anyway, that's where he is -- congressm congressm congressman kinsinger, thank you for joining me. you say it will make our enemies fear us less. today he's meeting with kissinger and he met with former secretary of state james baker. do you think he's getting the kind of advice that he needs and realizing people like you may have a point to make when it comes to his foreign policy approach? >> i hope so. i can tell you, if he gave henry kissinger an opportunity to speak, he's going to hear about
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how the world works. my concern has been with the outlandish statements. so just a couple of days ago he says we're not going to have a great relationship with david cameron and walked that back and then he says we're going to have a great relationship with the russians and vladimir putin. i've been critical of president obama saying that our enemies don't fear us and our allies don't trust us. that's exactly what donald trump is advocating, the same mistrust and lack of fear. i want to support the republican nominee but i've been out here fighting for strong american values for six years and i'm not about to give that up. >> what did you make of his willingness expressed in an interview with reuters yesterday to meet with kim jong-un? >> look, i just -- you know, a populism -- he's a populist. it may work and maybe it's beneficial. you don't meet with a dictator like kim jong-un. all you do is feed into him at that point, you strengthen him.
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you put him in a better position. this is why i'm hoping donald trump is meeting with smart people on foreign policy who say, the reality is, donald, you may have good intentions, i don't know, but you don't meet with dictators who are talking about wanting to nuke the united states. that's ludicrous. and so, look, at the end of the day, hopefully these meetings work. i want to see a guy worthy of abraham lincoln and ronald reagan. >> you wrote in a cnn op-ed today, simply put, a narcissistic foreign policy that sees our role in the world as of that an aloof merconary nation rather than a leader is both dangerous and misguided. do you think that's possible? >> i think it's possible. this is on donald trump. he's the one that has to unite the party now. he's running for president. he has to get to 51% of the votes. it's on him. i have legitimate concerns.
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look, the idea that the only way we're going to defend people in the world is if they pay us to do it. we're not a mersanary unit. we don't extort you for money or we leave. the reality is being in the world is to our benefit as well. there's a reason we have troops in south korea. there's a reason we're a member of nato. we never could have taken down the soviet union without it. so are there ways we can look at alliances we have? sure. this idea that you're either going to pay us or we're going to go home makes good politics. it makes for cheering crowds but it's dangerous and the next generation of americans are going to have to put on a uniform to clean up this mess. >> you recently got back from a trip to the middle east. the world leaders and the local leaders that you spoke with, what did they say, if anything, about donald trump? >> well, first off, they were very upset with this current administration. they feel like the president, you know, is making deals with iran and turning their backs on
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traditional allies. they were also very worried about trump's comments. again, it may make great politics but just a couple weeks ago, saudi arabia dealt a huge blow to al qaeda in the arabian peninsula who have attacked americans. that's now work that americans don't have to do. we have to use these moderate muslim friends as among our best allies in the war on terror because we can't do this alone and comments like that are hurtful to those alliances. >> congressman adam kinzinger, thank you. >> thank you, jake. claims that the candidate is misleading supporters, we're not talking about the republicans. think again. this is the race for the democrat nomination. stay with us.
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having the nomination stolen and the campaign has answered these charges by blaming the national party for trying to rig the process. if i was saying this a few weeks ago, would you think that i was talking about donald trump but actually i'm talking about the other new yorker running for president, the one clamoring for a forefight in philadelphia, senator bernie sanders who said this last night. >> i say to the leadership of the democratic party, open the doors, let the people in. >> jeff zeleny is in san jose covering the sanders campaign. sanders last night after winning the oregon primary by nine points, he seems to be suggesting that nominating him would be letting the people in and opening doors to the democratic party and nominating hillary clinton would be pursing a, quote, sad and tragic option. >> reporter: jake, that gets to the heart of this all.
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it's important to keep in mind, bernie sanders is a new democrat. he joined the party simply to run for president. many of his supporters are not keen on following these old tried and true rules of the system. you can see the crowd behind me, they are waiting for him to take the stage. he's taking the stage and this is what is at stake. >> we are in until the last ballot is cast! >> reporter: tonight, the question for bernie sanders is what comes after the ballots are cast. >> the democratic party is going to have to make a very, very profound and important decision. >> reporter: he's frustrated at the democratic party and the feeling is mutual. >> it can do the right thing and open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. >> reporter: a split decision in
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tuesday's primaries, sandsers winning oregon but narrowly losing to hillary clinton and democrats taking on donald trump suddenly seem more divided than ever. >> now, some people say that we've got a steep hill to climb to do that and that is absolutely true. >> reporter: this is why. clinton is only 88 delegates away from clinching the nomination. sanders needs nearly ten times as many delegates and superdelegates, more than are on the table in the remaining contests but that hasn't stopped sanders from going hard after clinton. >> before we have the opportunity to defeat donald trump, we're going to have to defeat secretary clinton. >> reporter: he's loudly challenging her on one issue after another, particularly how she raises money. >> secretary clinton has a number of super pacs. >> reporter: the tensions are spilling over across the
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democratic party. the chaotic scene last weekend still reverberating. dianne feinstein telling cnn's manu raju today that she worries about violence at the party's convention in philadelphia this summer. >> tl worries me a great deal. i don't want to go back to the '68 convention because i worry about what it does to the electorate as a whole and he should, too. >> reporter: she and other clinton supporters increasingly calling out sanders for not controlling his supporters. the sanders campaign believes they have been mistreated by the chairman, specifically by debbie wasserman schultz. >> she's been throwing shade on the sanders campaign since the very beginning. >> reporter: wasserman tried to make clear bernie sanders should stay in the race. >> i agree. he should stay in the race until the last vote is counted. >> reporter: but many of the
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sanders supporters are not sure that the party will come together. >> do you think hillary clinton can unite the party? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: why not? >> i know a lot of poo em who would, even if she gets the candidacy, would refuse to vote for her because they don't believe in anything that she stands for, they think she's two-faced, a liar, and would rather do a write-in ballot, they say bernie or buff. >> reporter: jake, you can hear the crowd behind me right now chanting for bernie sanders. he's counting on the 475 delegates in california on june 7th to give a final message to democrats that he should be taken seriously. the question is what he does next when the math simply doesn't work out for him as it doesn't look like it will. jake? >> jeff zeleny in california, thank you so much. joining me is bernie sanders' campaign manager jeff weaver. thank you for joining me. >> happy to be here.
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>> we've seen the pictures of chaos and we've heard the condemnation of rhetoric. what provoked that reaction? what happened? >> reporter: well, what happened, jake, is that the chairwoman and the party establishment in nevada, a strong arm to process, they started off the convention by passing a set of temporary rules that aren't normally in place over the objections of the people and there was a voice vote which they lost. they proceeded anyway. senator nina turner, a supporter of our campaign, was actually in the room. her accounts of what went on were pretty incredible and very undemocratic with a process going on there, a lot of strong arming. people got very frustrated. >> i want to you take a listen to what cnn political commentator van jones had to say a few minutes ago about dnc chair beb bee wasserman schultz.
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take a listen to van jones. >> debbie, who should be the umpire, the marriage counselor, is coming in harder for hillary clinton than she is for herself. that is malpractice. i wish reince priebus was my party chair. i'm ashamed to say that. >> i assume you agree? >> i would say amen to that. van jones has it exactly right. the role of the party chair -- there's going to be disagreements and sometimes it's going to get a little sharp elbows and the duty of the party chair is to really, as he said, to be the umpire, to look out for the greater good of the party and not to come into the situation and skirt gasoline all over the flames. >> what do you make of your critics in the democratic party who say that the tone and the t tenor and anger coming from your
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supporters and some of the accusations and in their view things that sound like threats make bernie sanders supporters in this day and age seem like trump supporters? >> well, obviously there were a few people who engaged in conduct which we absolutely condemn, the snaenators condemn it. it's not acceptable to use threats or vulgarities but there's a tremendous amount of frustration out there and people want to have a fair process. that's what they are asking for in nevada. allow their motions on the floor to be offered, have votes on them. if they inwith, they win. if they lose, they lose. when you shut down the process so you can strong arm it, it creates frustration, particularly from people in nevada who have seen a series of these types of things happening, including at the clark county convention recently where the
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party almost had its own credentials chair arrested for being too fair to the bernie people. so this is a history there. it's not just to one incident. all anybody is asking for is fairness, have an open process. if you win you win, if you lose, you lose. let's have a fair process. let's not put our fingers on the scale, like debbie wasserman schultz has. let's let the people decide. >> what do you make of the people who say senator sanders message in his press statement last night and in his actual statement last night should have been more uniformly focused on condemning violence and threats and ugly rhetoric instead of saying i condemn that but the people have a right to be angry and going on and on about that. there are those who say that that mixed message is a problem. >> well, it's not mixed at all. people have a right to be angry. i know many people from cnn have heard bernie sanders across the country and people are angry. they are losing their jobs, can't afford to send their kids
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to college and can't afford their health care and lost their job in the great recession. there are angry people out there. people want real change. what they want is a fair process. people say, look, on substance, you're going to create anger in people. what went on in nevada, obviously the booing and the cat calling, a lot of that was uncalled for. but these claims of violence, i don't see any violence that happened. no violence occurred when nina turner was there. there are reports of chairs being thrown. there is no video of that anywhere which there would be. "the new york times" certainly erroneously poi erroneously printed it. this is good fodder for media coverage but it's divorced from reality. >> you're saying that there are individuals who say they feared for their life or felt threatened, that they are making
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it up? >> no. look, if you received -- if people received phone calls that were inappropriate, we absolutely condemn that 100%. the senator has condemned it. i've condemned it. the whole campaign condemns it. but in that room, you know, if you talk to -- i was not in the room. senator nina turner was in the room. she said no one went on the stage, no one had a right to feel threatened. when you rig the process and get an angry crowd, they are not used to that. what happened is, a lot of new people have come into the process which is a healthy thing for the democratic party to have a lot of new people, young people coming into the process, independents coming into the process. some of these party leaders are used to dealing with the same old group of people who go along to get along. the new people are motivated it by change and don't feel right when ex clcluded in that way. >> jeff weaver from the sanders campaign, thank you. >> thanks, jake. appreciate it. donald trump talking about
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dodging taxes in a book published by his allegedly shady university. could that be the reason that trump will not show us his tax returns? then, a 9/11 widow talking about president obama vetoing families of the victims to sue for that horrible day. romaine, mandarin, pineapple, blueberry, strawberry, strawberry... strawberry... salad with chicken. at panera. food as it should be.
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for a start, they are tired of working for 79 cents on the dollar. >> live pictures of bernie sanders right now in san jose, california, he's holding on to the longshot chance that he can
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win the majority of primary votes. the math shows a very close race. hillary clinton has 1,774 pledged votes from delegates and bernie sanders has 1,482. when you factor in the super delegates, those party insiders, oh how the math changes. clinton is only 88 delegates shy of hitting 2,233. one question that we've continually been asked is why the democrats have this system anyway with proportional delegates and superdelegates. how did this happen? well, this is how. both sanders and clinton supporters throughout these primaries have questioned this tumultuous process but it's working exactly as the democratic party planned it. >> as long as she keeps winning,
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she'll keep the superdelegates. >> reporter: here's how we got here. against the backdrop of the anti-war protests in chicago, the 1968 convention was secured by hubert and did so by appealing to insiders and not having competed in one single democratic primary. after humphrey lost to nixon, senator george mcgovern set up a commission to rethink the rules. >> to rely on primaries rather than party insiders to select the delegates. mcgovern mastered the rules so well that he mastered them in 1972. >> i accept your nomination. >> reporter: but two embarrassing followed. mcgovern clobbered nixon and reagan in 1982. so the democratic party
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reconsidered the rules again in 1982 creating superdelegates. >> there was a desire among party leaders to in effect i think create a check on the possibility that a movement candidate would surge into the nomination without support from the party mainstay. >> reporter: superdelegates helped walter mondale eek out the nomination despite local protests by the outsider candidate reverend jesse jackson. >> in cincinnati, we have 27% of the vote and no delegates because 30% threshold. >> reporter: in exchange for his support, jackson demanded delegates reflect the votes of the people more directly. >> what jesse jackson did in 1994 but especially after 1988 was win changes in the rules that essentially ended any winner takes all features in the democratic primaries. what that meant was the democratic party went to a fully
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proportional system. >> reporter: except, of course, there are also still these super delegates, ones that then senator obama questioned in 2008. >> i think it would be problematic if either senator clinton or myself came in with having won the most support from voters and that was somehow overturned by party insiders. >> reporter: though super delegates that year followed the will of the people. >> jesse jackson can plausibly claim that the rules that he helped engineer helped barack obama win in 2008 and helped to extend the race this year. >> so what there is now is a democratic casserole of party bosses and proportional representation. how will it work out this year? joining me to talk about the democratic casserole, political commentators, margaret hoover,
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kayleigh mcenany. does sanders have any point when he talks about the need to bring more people into the process. he tends to do well where independents can vote in the primary. >> senator sanders take on donald trump in november. we need every single vote possible. the 120,000 votes that went missing in new york, someone should go to jail for that. what happened in arizona, that's a travesty and mischarge of justice. i do think that will are ways that we can change this. one way is same-day registration. if you are independent and want to vote for hillary clinton or
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bernie sanders, you'll have the ability to. this comes out of bernie sanders' movement. am i afraid that this is going to be 1968? no. the backdrop was the death of king, robert f. kennedy and a massacre. we don't have that going on today. is it going to be exciting and contentious? it can be. >> donald trump wrote a book published by the illustrious trump university. you went to harvard. sorry you couldn't get in to trump. among the chapters in the book is "the greatest tax shelter in the world," owning your own business. it's a numbers game made from real estate. doesn't this even add more fuel to the fire as to why he should release his returns so the public can see has he been paying his fair share? >> i don't think so. trump has said he's tried to take advantage of the system in every way possible.
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he's personally advocated for the closing of loopholes and deductions. he doesn't think it's fair but to be competitive you have to take advantage of it. if trump was doing something so wrong and unethical, he's been audited more than anyone in the city and i think it would have come out in the audit. he's taking advantage as any businessman would do of the tax system but advocating for change because he doesn't think it's right. >> margaret, people are trying to get going, whether it's mitt romney or bill crystal or others. it looks like they are giving up, that -- at least mitt romney is. where do the people who are republicans and have yet to embrace donald trump or maybe even are never trump, what do they do? they have to come up with a decision between hillary clinton and donald trump. don't they? >> there's a long time between now and november. a lot of people have time to make up their minds there. are people who won't simply vote for donald trump but there's a lot of time to see what happens in this election and decide where to go. as you know more than anybody,
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this election is going to be decided based on variables and outside events that will shape the course of this event that we can't even predict right now, the same way we couldn't predict that donald trump would lock up his nomination before hillary clinton. back to kayleigh's point, on the taxes, it's not about legality. i think the question is simply transparency is what this is about. it's about, is he paying the kind of marginal tax rate that people think is fair? is he actually giving to charity? is he actually writing off business expenses to pay for his lavish lifestyle? he does have a whole chapter of depreciation and so it's just that -- the transparency and the tale on the character of the person.
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>> i want to change the subject to one quick thing. ed rendell, former governor of pennsylvania, admitted clinton could lose voters because of trump's working-class appeal but then he said this. "for every one vote, trump will lose 1.5, 2 republican women. trump's comments like, you can't be a ten if you're flat-chested, that will come back to haunt him. there are probably more ugly women in america than attractive women. people take that stuff personally." i understand you didn't say that. >> no. i'm a democrat. i'm a 31-year-old african-american and i don't know ed rendell. i know of him. but that was stupid. i mean, that was just outright stupid, asinine and ignorant. >> there are more ugly women in america than attractive women? >> i think they are all beautiful. >> they are all beautiful.
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pentagon correspondent barbara starr is joining us and filed this report. >> reporter: cnn is the only crew onboard this flight to the middle east with general joseph otell, the head of central command. general otell now oversees all military operations in the middle east and war against isis in syria and iraq. otell is very interesting in his military background. he's a long-time special operations soldier himself. so when he goes to the middle east, he will be meeting with troops and his commanders to see how that activity is going. syrian moderate rebels are ready to retake raqqa and especially
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the security situation in baghdad, a refueling stop a short time ago, general botell talked about his concerns about what is happening in baghdad and how the iraqi government, a partner for the u.s., may have to respond. >> this is not addressed quickly and could cause them to have to take action and divert forces and political focus on that as opposed to things like mosul and finishing up their activities out in anbar. i think there's a little bit of concern about that. >> reporter: the security situation in iraq and seyria remains votel's tomorrow concern and we'll bring all of our viewers those reports. jake? >> barbara starr traveling with the head of command. thank you. we now have more than just
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proof of life in a video, one of more than 200 nigerian schoolgirls kidnapped by boko haram militants two years ago has been found alive and brought to safety. this girl, amina ali, was found last night along with her 4-month-old baby and this man who claims to be her husband, nigerian officials suspect that he may be a boko haram terrorist. now, she was found by a civilian search group in the forest about 50 miles away from where she and other girls were abducted. you remember it was on april 14th, 2014, when as many as 276 girls were kidnapped at gunpoint from their boarding school in nigeria. at least 57 girls were able to escape soon after the abduction but more than 200 remain missing today. #notwithstanding. president obama standing in the way of 9/11 families who want to sue saudi arabia.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we may learn more about the perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. the obama administration is reportedly in the final stages of signing off on the release of a classified section of the so-called 28 pages which uncovered possible evidence of saudi arabian government ties to the worst terrorist attack on american soil. but those 28 pages are just a small part of a much broader effort of some familiar he looks
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of 9/11 victims to try to hold the saudi arabia government accountable in court. it may have been nearly 15 years ago, but for families that lost loved ones on september 11th, 2001, the need for answers feels just as urgent today. >> this is not like different than any other murder case. you want the people that murdered your loved one behind bars or you want them to pay for the crime that they committed and stop them from ever doing it again. >> reporter: terry's husband tom was working on the 104th floor when the planes hit. the couple had welcomed their third child just four days before. now she's among those fighting for the right to sue saudi arabia over the death of her loved one. >> yes, there is a compensation part to the lawsuit but for the families, mostly what we are trying to accomplish is holding them accountable.
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>> reporter: allegations that the government of or officials in saudi arabia played some role in the 9/11 attacks have been raised since the towers fell, allegations the saudis have denied. >> justice, justice, justice. >> reporter: but the u.s. senate this week unanimously passed legislation that would allow 9/11 families to take the kingdom to court and try to get answers. even if it's next passed by the house, president obama has threatened to veto the legislation. >> this legislation doesn't say that any person, charity or governmental entity is libel. it only says they can't hide from the truth. >> reporter: why would a u.s. president oppose the wishes of the survivors of the worst mass murder in american history? the white house says the president stripping sovereignty would be disastrous. >> there are serious concerns that this legislation would make
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the united states vulnerable and other court systems around the world. >> reporter: but advocates say that's not true, that the bill's language protects from retaliatory suits. >> the administration does a very dangerous thing and that is to suggest that our activities, in fighting terrorism, are the equivalent are equivalent to financing it. >> reporter: though in comments largely overlooked from a recent podcast interview with david axelrod, deputy national security adviser ben rhodes alleged may have come from within individuals operating and trying to get to do their own
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thing. >> within the government? >> within the government or family members. >> the saudis insist that the report exonerated them. >> there is no room for discussing court matters now. >> reporter: if this bill becomes law, allowing the lawsuit to move forward. donald trump says he would talk to north korea's kim jong-un but can the gop get behind that idea? that story, next. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us,
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happening now, battle lines, tempers are flaring as bernie sanders says he's in the race all of the way and supporters erupt at a democratic state gathering. there are fears that the national convention could slide