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tomorrow on outfront, we're going to talk to "shark tank" star barbara corcoran about donald trump. see you back here tomorrow. ac 360 with anderson cooper begins right now. good evening, thanks for joining us. we have breaking news that only amps up tension in the democratic party. there's new polling showing hillary clinton trailing donald trump in a head to head matchup after leading all spring, and bernie sanders out front, a tie. the trend is significant and not in her favor in itself may not be earth shattering, earth shaking. coupled with that narrow victory in kentucky, loss in oregon, string of defeats, the numbers do little to convince bernie sanders or his supporters to get behind her if as expect she's the nominee. in the nevada state democratic, it doesn't exactly scream party unity. it is raising concerns and the 1968 chaos this summer.
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after months of watching republican candidates tear each other apart, witnessing the gop tear itself apart over donald trump now seems to be the democrats' turn. more on that from jeff zeleny. >> we are in until the last ballot is cast. >> reporter: tonight, the question for bernie sanders is what comes after the ballots are cast. >> the democratic party is going to have to make a very, very profound an important decision. >> reporter: he is frustrated at the democratic party and the mu. it can do the right thing and open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change. >> reporter: a split decision in tuesday's primaries, sanders winning oregon, but narrowly losing kentucky to hillary clinton. democrats, anxious to join forces and take on donald trump suddenly seem more divided than ever.
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>> now some people say we've got a steep hill to climb to do better, and that is absolutely true. >> reporter: this is why. clinton is only 88 delegates away from clinching the nomination. sanders needs nearly 10 times as many delegates and superdelegates. more than are on the table in nine remaining contests, but that hasn't stopped sanders from going hard after clinton. >> before we will have the opportunity to defeat donald trump, we're going to have to defeat secretary clinton. >> reporter: at a rally today in san jose, sanders only had one rival in mind, trump. he made no mention of clinton. >> there are many people who are concerned that donald trump may become president of the united states. that will not happen. >> reporter: the tensions are spilling over across the democratic party. the chaotic scene at the nevada state convention last weekend still reverberating.
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california senator dianne feinstein telling manu raju she worries about violence at the party's convention this summer in philadelphia. >> it worries me a great deal, you know. i don't want to go back to the '68 convention because i worry about what it does to the electorate as a whole, and he should too. >> thank you so much. >> reporter: she and other clinton supporters increasingly calling out sanders for not controlling his supporters. the sanders campaign believes they have been mistreated by the democratic establishment, particularly party chair woman debbie wasserman schultz. >> we could have a long conversation about debbie wasserman schultz and how she has thrown shade on the sanders campaign from the beginning. >> reporter: she was trying to put a good face on it, making clear they need sanders' army in the general election. >> i agree, bernie sanders should stay in the race, that's what i said all along until the last vote is counted. >> reporter: many sanders supporters aren't sure the party will come together.
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>> you think hillary clinton can unite the democratic party? >> i don't think so. >> why not? >> i know a lot of people would, even if she gets the candidacy, would refuse to vote for her because they don't believe in anything she stands for, she's two faced, a liar, and they would rather vote for someone else or do a write in ballot. bernie or bust. >> reporter: jeff zeleny, cnn, california. >> let's bring in some old enough to rather '68. beinart, carl bernstein, and patrick heely, correspondent for "the new york times," and two more kmen at a timers, margaret hoover and christine quinn. and jonathan ka seen ee, sanders surrogate. christine, what do you make of the tension in the democratic
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party? >> first of all, we're the democrats so we argue and feel strongly about things, so i'm not surprised, this is coming to the end of a very emotional, hard fought campaign. >> do you blame sanders for not tam ping things down? >> he should run as long as he thinks he should. if he wants to run until the last ballot is cast, that's his right. it could be better in the general election, folks that want to vote for bernie sanders will have had the opportunity to do that. obviously people need to behave in a dignified and civil fashion regardless of what party they're at and all of the gatherings, but i have no doubt this is typical end of campaign emotion and feeling and that come philadelphia we will be a united party. >> jonathan, do you agree with feinstein about what could happen at the convention?
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>> first thing i want to say, i do remember 1968. forthcoming. i was sitting in detention, which tells you the kind of person i was the morning of the general election. i remember clearly the close election. i was sitting there, i got in big trouble. i remember this very clearly as if it was yesterday. no, i don't think it's going to be like 1968. i think dianne feinstein with all due respect is overheating it. i think we have to dial back the rhetoric a little bit about this. i agree with christine to some extent, and president obama and joe biden said that today in different ways, they said bernie sanders should continue to run the race. obama himself recalled in 2008 and said it is like déjà vu all over again, very familiar. i think there are, though, differences between the two. i think it will be heated, not necessarily divisive or split the party, but there are fundamental differences between the clinton campaign and what we
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view, what we need, the political revolution. it is not like most nominations before, when there are no differences and everybody came together. this is a significant difference about what we think the democratic party should be. there should be healthy debate about that. i think the unifying thing that will bring us out after the convention is two words, donald trump. what bernie sanders said on tv is true. i think he believes it strongly, so does hillary. >> i don't think the democrats are ready quite to move yet to donald trump. from talking to the sanders campaign, they see a point in going to the convention -- >> the way they feel they were treated -- >> bernie sanders could go to the floor and say to his people by acclamation, we are going to fall in line with hillary clinton like she did with barack obama in 2008. just seems like a real stretch. the sanders folks say --
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>> can senator sanders lead all his people to that conclusion? >> not necessarily by next week. we have seen this time and time again. even in primaries where there were clear ideological differences like jesse jackson and michael dukakis. you even see it benefit donald trump. republicans are coming home, democrats are coming home. we are in a highly partisan era in american politics. you saw it with hillary clinton supporters. >> one at a time, go ahead. >> he will exact leverage in terms of the platform, but as we move closer and closer to november, the prospect of a donald trump presidency, i agree, will ultimately bring most of those people back. >> one, we are maybe too much in the cable tv social media whiplash right now about all of this. i think yes, there's real division within the democratic party over two candidates with somewhat different visions who
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will come together. no doubt in my mind. i think one thing we are ignoring, bernie sanders sees the narrow pass that he could win the nomination. let me lay it out. that is she, hillary clinton is not going to have a majority in all likelihood of the pledge delegates going into the convention and she's as polls show increasingly damaged goods as viewed by many democrats. if there were some bombshell, not an indictment, but something coming out of the server investigation, some kind of damaging information, bernie sanders and his people see him as the beneficiary of this and he could still be the nominee. so let's not declare it over. >> there's nothing to indicate that will happen. >> i am not saying, christine, that it is going to happen, i'm saying this is maybe, and i know
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a little bit here, how some of the sanders people view it as game not over. >> i also understand why senator sanders may see it as game not over and i understand why he wants to remain part of the discussion about the platform and you said senator sanders wants something. everyone who is in the position senator sanders is in wants something and he cares about the issues. >> but there's a lot of clinton supporters that hear jeff weaver on air on one hand criticizing the way they were treated in nevada and at the same time saying we don't condone disruptions and things like that. >> i think if you go back eight years ago, there was an enormous number of hillary clinton supporters who were angry, who were unhappy, who didn't like how the campaign was treated, said no way. >> we have to take a break. we are on two hours tonight. a lot to talk about.
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all of this will come up when hillary clinton sits down with chris cuomo at 1:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. up next, naming likely supreme court picks, and jeff toobin joins us, and vladimir putin and calling nato obsolete. how they're being received by the party, public, and national professionals. what drives trump supporters to say it doesn't matter and he transcends everything. fact. there's an advil specially made for fast relief that goes to work in minutes. the only advil with a rapid release formula for rapid relief of tough pain. look for advil film-coated in the white box! relief doesn't get any faster than this.
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we have been talking about turmoil in the democratic party, breaking news may be fallout from it. national polls show donald trump with a slim lead over hillary clinton and bernie sanders is head to head in the contest. trump released a list of supreme court nominees. joining us, jeffrey toobin. first of all, the list trump put out, you know a lot of these folks, who is on it, what does it mean. >> this is a social conservative dream team, very accomplished,
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very intelligent, very conservative judges who if you want the supreme court court to overturn roev wade, if you want them not to recognize gay and transgender rights, these are the justices you want. this is a group ted cruz would be happy to nominate and vote for. >> margaret, as a conservative, what does the list make you think of trump. >> i am a conservative that runs an lgbt organization and helps them navigate those issues, there's a conservative case for individual freedom. this is a dog whistle to social conservatives, to me i think the lesson we learn from this primary is that you don't have to dog whistle value voter issues for the nomination. the conservative movement would have us believe you have to run on values voters issues.
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these are ones you appoint to the supreme court, that's not the case. donald trump won. i don't see why he feels shackled or tied. he needs to win the votes mitt romney plus. so clearly what his advisers are telling him or what reince priebus is reported as saying, you need to do something to shore up conservative voters who may not vote for you. but he is running a general election now. he is running against hillary clinton. social issues are not how you win a general election, if you tap toward the right. >> there are a lot of people, not just conservatives who think it is good to have ideological balance on the supreme court, think it is a good thing to have a scaliaesque figure. these are justices that look like him and would preserve that ideological balance on the supreme court, they're not justices that are going to come on and do something radical in the country. on the contrary, they're text
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ulists, radicalists, that the words on the constitution mean something, not just open free for all interpretation. >> i hope when you say looked a lot like you didn't mean white man. assume you didn't. >> i said ideological makeup. >> but let's be clear, the constitution is about protecting people's rights. the constitution is about saying i'm just as good as you are, my family is just as good as your family, transgender people are as good as anybody else. if you talk about what the constitution is about, that's what it is about, not a group of men and women that seek to divide the country -- >> let's not argue the fundamental difference on how you want the supreme court to go. that's an obvious argument. we are talking about why is trump putting out the list now. >> pandering to conservative republicans, because somebody told him the way to the next step is pander to people you didn't get, whether you believe it or not, what your actual positions are.
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>> hold up. pander is one word, patrick. politicians do this all the time to send a message. >> they didn't put out a list like this. this is really unusual. it goes to how much this guy presented himself as a powerful figure that's not going to take crap from anybody, not going to be told what to do. he is feeling a need to give this list which candidates historically would never do preemptively like this, but remember, he is in unity mode. this goes to two things. first of all, how hard it will be to unite all wings of the party. we've not seen the beginning of that, but also what an unconventional candidate he is. >> definitive list of what trump would want or just suggestions? >> donald trump could change his mind tomorrow. we are asking the wrong questions about the supreme court justices. with a donald trump presidency,
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it is different. he is authoritarian. he will go off on "the washington post" owner, wants to change libel laws, ban muslims from entering the country, one of the allies said he said they should take away krn's sec license. will they stand up to a president who has dictatorial tendencies? >> let me try one other thing. maybe we have been looking at trump, saying he made this terrible error, whether on john mccain or other outrages statements, this maybe a real error. it enables the democrats to make the supreme court the issue in the election. what we know is if roe v wade and social issues that appeal to conservatives become the big issue in the election, the republicans and donald trump are in trouble. i'm very surprised he did it. >> carl makes the point i was going to make, unity is something the democrats will
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hear from the list. >> not just democrats. you make independents, huge banner with these justices, what they're for, some of the questions of unity will quickly disappear. >> there's something about it being a list of conservatism, it is a list about restraining the three branches of government. this is a cryptic list. name one justice you don't like. >> do you believe -- kayleigh, do you believe he wants to con strain the executive? >> i would like people to name which justices you don't like, explain the decisions you don't like. explain one. >> i'm not about -- >> telegraphing what he is doing ahead of time, why did he come forward with -- >> i think it is possible to be too cynical about this. what this tells us is what the
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election is about. we are going to have one supreme court if hillary clinton wins, another supreme court if donald trump wins. this is a good lesson in that. it is good. let's be clear about what the stakes are. >> we have to take another quick break. donald trump's meeting with former secretary of state henry kissinger, we will talk about that after he dropped the latest bombshell about north korea. allergies can distract you. so when your symptoms start... doctors recommend taking non-drowsy claritin every day of your allergy season for continuous relief. with claritin you get powerful non-drowsy relief, 24 hours a day, day after day. and with fewer symptoms to distract you... you can focus on the extraordinary things you do... every single day. live claritin clear. introducing clarispray nasal allergy spray. new from the makers of claritin© with a different ingredient.
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donald trump met with henry kissinger. today's meeting in new york came hours after trump proposed what would be a major shift in u.s. policy to north korea. in an interview with reuters, the republican presumptive nominee said he would have no problem speaking to north korean leader kim jong-un to shut down the nation's nuclear program. he said he would absolutely try to talk sense into the dictator. mr. trump's resume does not include foreign policy experience, he is not a policy professional obviously, but that does not give him pause.
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here is randi kaye. >> our foreign policy is a complete and total disaster. no vision. no purpose. no direction. no strategy. >> reporter: donald trump thinks he can do better as commander in chief on russia. >> some say the russians won't be reasonable. i intend to find out. if we can't make a deal under my administration, then we will quickly walk from the table. >> reporter: russian president vladimir putin called trump bright and talented. trump in response called putin a highly respected man. trump hinted at wanting closer ties with moscow, despite russia's on-going military presence in ukraine. he told cbs's 60 minutes the u.s. can leave it up to russia to take out isis in syria. >> we want to get rid of isis, let them do it, what the hell do
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we care. >> reporter: trump warned isis their days are numbered, though he didn't elaborate, he also said he would blow up the oil fields isis has taken over. >> i would bomb the [bleep] out of them. >> reporter: he dropped this doozy. >> i think nato may be obsolete. >> reporter: he hopes to invest heavily in the military but also wants to stop using the military unless it's necessary. another contradiction, trump said he is not in favor of nation building but also says he wants to promote regional stability. how he plans to deal with the muslim world is also still a bit murky. remember when he said this in december? >> donald j. trump is calling for total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> reporter: earlier this month seemed to walk that back on the radio. >> it is a temporary ban, hasn't been called for yet, nobody has done it, it is just a suggestion
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until we find out what's going on. >> reporter: he has a plan for china though, one of his favorite topics. >> china. >> china. >> china. >> reporter: if elected, he promised to quickly eliminate the trade deficit with china. he said he will end china's currency manipulation. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country. and that's what they're doing. it is the greatest theft in the history of the world. >> reporter: he also has an idea how to deal with north korea, or at least how japan and south korea, two of our strongest allies should do so. his highly criticized plan includes pulling all u.s. troops out of the two countries and letting japan and south korea develop their own nuclear weapons to defend themselves. >> we are better off if japan protects itself against this maniac in north korea. we are better off if south korea is going to start to protect itself. >> saudi arabia have a nuclear weapons? >> absolutely, not nuclear weapons, protect themselves or
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pay us. >> reporter: foreign policy through the eyes of a president donald j. trump. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> before we went on air, i talked to former u.s. congressman mike rogers who serves on the house intelligence committee. chairman, meeting with henry kissinger, a right of passage for any republican candidate, but trump is not the average republican candidate. what do you think he is looking to gain from the meeting? is it to build up his stature? >> i think this is a candidate that's trying to mature into his foreign policy positions and i think a bright first stop for him sends a clear message, henry kissinger, kind of the dean of the thoughtful, engaged republican foreign policy expert, dating all the way back to nixon and ford, and he has been active since then, writing some interesting books on china and other places. i think it was an important thing for that image and really i hope he pauses and listens a
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little. >> trump's foreign policy seems isolationist or hawkish, as randi kaye pointed out, often full of contradictions. >> yeah. sometimes he talks about engagement. clearly saying he wants to be more engaged with putin, that's clearly a diplomat i can engagement strategy. other places says he is going to pull out. i think his team is a little light on foreign policy and national security. i am hoping this is a step for him to say he wants to round that out. i've never been a believer that you can't let a candidate mature on foreign policy and national security because it is something that's normally foreign to everybody that walks in. if this is that step in that process, probably a good thing for him and his campaign. >> it is interesting, kissinger and clinton are seemingly close, she referred to him as a friend, said she relied on his counsel as secretary of state, something bernie sanders went after her for during debates.
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could she and kissinger have more in common than kissinger and trump? >> i'm not sure. i am sure she's matured in her positions are foreign policy from her time as secretary of state and in the u.s. senate. i just don't think trump was there yet. i don't think he had thought through all of those issues. that's why if this is, somebody in his campaign, maybe chris christie saying to round it out, mature our issues, grow a little bit on foreign policy, the great first stop to do that, i think it does send an important message, is henry kissinger because he is so well respected on both sides of the aisle on national security and foreign policy credentials. >> what do you make of trump saying he would talk with north korean leader kim jong-un. is that any different than when candidate obama said he would talk to iran and -- >> probably not. this is a notion of some sense of engagement, is he isolationist or for engagement.
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this case, he is saying i'll talk to the guy. i don't think he promised he would do anything different other than engagement. one thing you have to be very careful, you have a country pursuing nuclear weapons, this is saber rattling, you don't want to give away the best thing right away, don't want to shoot that arrow too soon. that's why presidents are normally cautious about saying i'm going to meet with kim jong-un or talk to him. that's about maturing. i think same instinct obama had, yeah, i'll talk to anybody. when you get over there, foreign policy establishment will say if we're going to do that, let's get something for it. >> chairman rogers, thanks. more to talk about with the pan em, get the take on his latest foreign policy comments and drew griffin asks supporters why trump can seem to do no wrong.
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no shortage of breaking news, whether new national polling showing hillary clinton
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losing her edge on donald trump, and this just in, donald trump, his role in 2008, he helped john mccain pick sarah palin. back with the panel, just got that word in. kayleigh, what do you make of it. seems like for on a day where trump met with henry kissinger, he is trying to broaden the team of people or the depth of people around him. >> no doubt about t releasing this list, naming people to the campaign. he is coalescing the party, doing what he needs to do. it is a great hire. many dismiss sarah palin and laugh at her, but sarah palin did a lot for john mccain's campaign, energized the campaign, his poll numbers went up, she was an asset. this is a smart hire. he needs someone to shake up the ticket. great hire, great pick. >> i understand, every campaign needs researchers and vetters, this is a mechanical position.
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you have a lot of staff that are there doing research, checking boxes, making sure candidates are thoroughly vetted. i wouldn't read too much into it other than the trump campaign is staffing up, they need to do, they're running a national campaign. on foreign policy staff, criticism from republicans of the obama administration has been president obama's policies put our friends in unstable footing put our allies in unstable footing, drawn our enemies near. the idea we would begin to talk to kim jong-un, chairman of the korean workers party goes to every criticism republicans had of democrats, this administration. it is doing exactly that. there's not a single u.s. president that's met with the leader of north korea, and there's a good reason for it. you need this administration in north korea to be good an act on its promises before you promise a one on one meeting with the president of the united states. they are continually in defiance of all things they promised insofar as the nuclear weapons
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program, so the idea, what it does more than anything is it goes to underline the fact that donald trump is enormously ill prepared to be leader of the free world, has very little understanding of what it means when he says he is going to -- >> i want to draw a triangle. you raised it in that interview with mike rogers, it is fascinating to see the connection between henry kissinger, donald trump, and hillary clinton. you've got donald trump is ill prepared to be commander in chief, henry kissinger, falls into the category of reviling him, conducted a war that killed vietnamese and illegal war against cambodia, and hillary clinton that voted for iraq and created crisis and rise of isis in the middle east. if you draw that triangle, you have those three and bernie sanders, who has a completely different view of foreign policy and not only does not call henry
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kissinger his friend but has a completely different view of the world. >> i think making that triangle is unfair and incorrect. >> in what way? >> part of the basis of the triangle is that donald trump is completely unprepared to be commander in chief and lead foreign policy leader in the world. you cannot say that about hillary clinton. she is someone with immense, probably the most qualified person as relates to foreign policy to ever run for the presidency of the united states. >> i want to keep this focused, not going down that road. from a political standpoint, to kayleigh's point, everything donald trump is doing is what a candidate should be doing at this stage of the race. perhaps so notable that donald trump has not done this previously. he has been able to succeed without the traditional campaign structure that all other candidates had. >> he succeeded ten months with five people riding shotgun on the plane from state to state to
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state. this is a large professionalization of the campaign going on, and it is serious. it sends a signal to a lot of those republicans last thing they heard was ben carson would be runnings the vp search. it is this half serious idea that of course ben carson wasn't running the search, donald trump will say things and throw them out. he is a serious figure. hillary clinton is getting her own sort of professional vetters on the d.c. side. i think we will see tightening up. donald trump is throwing out names and numbers but now it is getting serious. >> it will be interesting to see how donald trump exists in a tighter sort of campaign structure. >> what i see is how donald trump in a way, i am 56 years in the business, since i am 16 years old. i have never seen a candidate seizure the attention of the nation of the people of the country, the world or media in the way donald trump has.
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that's what this discussion is a reflection of. eschhe is carrying the debate a controlling what we talk about. what i am concerned about, we're going into two conventions, there's been no serious investigative reporting about bernie sanders, about hillary clinton, about donald trump on any of the television networks, barely any in the old mainstream press. maybe we ought to be doing investigative documentariedocum looking at the records of these three people, where they are in the issues and in their lives, who they really are. >> you don't think people have been asking questions about hillary clinton and bernie sanders? >> here's the point. i wrote a book about hillary clinton, absolutely. if we are to take what's in that book and if we are to take what's known about donald trump and if we are to take what's
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known about bernie sanders and create really good documentaries, put them on television. >> you believe voters have a lack of information about donald trump or hillary clinton or bernie sanders? >> i believe what we are doing so well is to have a granular discussion every night on all the cable channels, online, without a macro of investigation. >> peter? >> i think look, one of the interesting topics would be to do donald trump on foreign policy. i think what he is doing is fascinating. since george w. bush, perhaps since ronald reagan, republicans have equated the size of the american empire with the welfare of ordinary americans. that's the basic equation at the heart of conservative foreign policy. donald trump ripped it up. he is saying i don't care, i don't think it benefits ordinary americans to be necessarily defending poland and estonia and
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south korea much that's revolutionary, it deserves a great deal of discussion. i agree, donald trump is miserably unprepared, but -- >> let him finish. >> but worth noting that conventional establishment foreign policy created a situation where ordinary americans are doing poorly as america's empire expanded, so it is not a crazy thought. more with the panel coming up, and taking the controversies that would rue enmost campaigns. why in their mind the candidate can do no wrong. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day.
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we have been talking about people donald trump is hiring, specifically words he is using. wanted to dig deeper into that. four months agate a rally, donald trump said he could shoot somebody and wouldn't lose voters. not that he tested that, but no denying he fired multiple theoretical shots that might have ended anyone else's campaign during any other campaign year. the understatement of the night, this is not like any other presidential campaign. one of the features, especially to people not supporting donald trump is his ability to say things that are not true or half
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true, not take a hit from supporters. sometimes it seems to strengthen his support. we asked drew griffin to talk to trump supporters about that. >> he really loves this country if he is cutting so much taxes to try to get the poor a fighting chance out of poverty. >> we can either be weak or stronger, even if donald trump is not the first choice and he wasn't, you look at what's left and i think it is clear who the best choice left is. >> our nation is teetering on the brink, and donald trump is manifestation of concern and in some cases fear of the american people that we need strong leadership. >> leah and leo, there will be a lot of people looking at you two in particular, wondering how can you possibly vote and support donald trump, this man we heard
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will do nothing for the people of color in this country. >> kind of got a hip-hop swagger to him, i think people like that. he's all about money and entrepreneurship, there are a lot of people before he was a candidate who were black american and famous and loved him. i think there are a lot of people in the closet who also love him. job competition, job scarcity, he is addressing those issues. that will have black americans and all americans, important to people who feel left on the margins too long. >> leo, that statement that you just said, that whole sh peel, sounded so presidential donald trump makes it sound like this, black people love me, hispanics love me, it is going to be great. >> he is a first time candidate, never been a candidate. he is not the issue. he is getting better as time
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goes on. i don't have to put ear muffs on him. >> i think all of the strategy. >> you think that twitter account is a strategy? >>. >> he came out as relates to terrorism and europe, we should ban all muslims from coming into the united states temporarily. >> do you believe that still? >> saying yes or -- >> he said that to get attention. you can't say all muslims. we wouldn't want another country saying all christians. >> let's talk about the wall. clint? are you for the wall? >> i am for the wall. build the wall, deport 11 million people. that's what he said. >> right. >> as trump supporter, is he or is he not going to build a wall. >> yes. >> is he or is he not going to
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deport 11 million people. >> yes, he is going to build a wall. deporting the 11 million, i believe he is going to absolutely address that. exactly what that looks like i can't tell you. i believe he is going to do that. >> we're not going to get 3,000 buses and run people across the border. >> can i ask you why you believe that? >> i see what he's done as a businessman. >> we gave a vote for barack obama who promised all this hope and change stuff that couldn't manifest, it was trojan horse. >> hype. >> they believed in that, why shouldn't they believe in trump's hope and change. >> he is not perfect. >> can't judge him until he is president. >> that's a big gamble. >> it always is in america. the presidential contest is a gamble. >> let me try one more issue. i covered this last week, had to do with this publicity issue and
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his alter ego, john miller back in the day. he is calling the newspaper reporters. i want to show you a clip from a story i did. >> he really decided he wasn't. >> if that john miller sounds like trump, it is because audio forensic expert tomorrow owen says it is. >> yes, it is my opinion it is donald trump. >> didn't he just lie? >> i heard the tape from my -- to me it didn't sound like him. >> we asked specifically of the trump organization and asked of the trump campaign if these people do exist, if there's any record of them existing, let us know, we'll drop the whole story. we've got nothing from them. >> i think there's bigger issues. i think politicians, let's face it, they lie on a regular basis. i'm more concerned with who is qualified to run this country, to give us the job creation, give us the security we need.
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>> if that's the worst, i'll take him over what we've had with the clintons and the barack obama administration any day of the week, it is a lie, he needs to correct it. >> let's talk about foreign policy. >> i think he is the most qualified to fight terrorism. >> why? >> he made it clear he will hunt down isis and destroy them, kill them all. hillary clinton doesn't tell us has. >> he is not going to fight a politically correct war. >> he is not. he will put together a force and take them out. >> i want america to be great, i want to experience in it, i want a career, raise a family, children and grandchildren that thrive and grow and know. people said back in the reagan years, we want not just to be seen as america, we want to be seen as america, the greatest country on earth. >> i want to be proud again. it's time. it's time. >> sounds like they're willing, one of them said, to take a gamble on trump even though they
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may have questions about his experience. seems like they don't care if he lied, they say all politicians do that. >> yeah. i mean, this was part of a 90 minute discussion on many different issues, anderson. what i came away with, details be damned, they love the guy, they're emotionally invested in what they see as a true outsider with unconventional ways of speaking, acting, dealing with the media. they admit they're taking a chance, it is fair to say this group believes the country has been led downhill by politicians on both sides of the aisle. they want a brand new face and style in the white house, and donald trump is that for them. >> any issue they say they need answers on? do they, for instance, want to see his tax records or is this beyond specific policy? >> i think it is beyond that. the tax records i did ask, it was a nonissue, he should release them, most don't care. don't care if he is backtracking
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on the wall, backtracking on deporting all illegal immigrants, they don't care. it shows trump has won them over, period, and their enthusiasm both for trump and for the country they think trump will us into is impressive and powerful for a campaign. >> drew griffin, thanks very much. it is the kind of chaos usually reserved for trump rallies, chaos may be too strong a word. this time it was a state democratic convention. will the sanders campaign do more to discourage behavior of a small group of supporters? should they? is that there obligation? and new polling shows donald trump and hillary clinton neck in neck for the white house. that and more when we continue. [ upbeat music ] strut past that aisle for the allergy relief that starts working in as little as 30 minutes and contains the best oral decongestant. live claritin clear, with claritin-d. when a moment turns romantic why pause to take a pill?
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