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good evening again. john berman in for anderson. the search for answers in missing flight 804, that and the
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theory that officials in egypt and elsewhere have about what brought it down. early assessment, and should point out it is just that, early indication that it is terror. 66 men, women and children were on the flight from paris to cairo in the early morning over the eastern mediterranean. look at all of the angles in the hour ahead, starting with evan perez. you have been on the phone all day. the latest on the investigation. what are you learning? >> reporter: john, even at this hour, we know officials in washington are working, focusing on the flight manifest of the aircraft. they want to know everything they can about people that were on board this plane, that includes the 56 passengers and the 10 crew members. 3 security members and pilots. nothing had been ruled out at this point, there still could be signs of mechanical failure. they haven't recovered the wreckage, certainly haven't recovered black boxes which could supply a lot of
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information and data on what happened, especially the last few moments of the flight. one of the things missing is one reason why officials were focusing on the initial theory of a terrorist attack. that's the fact that there was no may day. this is a sophisticated aircraft, redundant systems that give them time, if there was something going wrong with the aircraft to get out some distress call. nothing like that happened. if there was even an attempt for a hijacking, three security officials on board, and we know they would likely have time to issue some kind of distress call. these are reasons why officials are focusing on something happening on the plane, something terrorist related, and again focusing first on who is on the plane and anybody else that might have had access to the aircraft at charles de gaulle airport before it took off. >> i understand security is tightened in paris and egypt? >> reporter: that's right. there's been tightening of security in france and in egypt because of the recent incidents.
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last year we had a terrorist attack in sharm el sheikh or terrorist attack that brought down a russian airliner. in light of what happened in brussels and paris last few months, john, there's been a tightening of standards. we know the french have recently let go a number of workers at charles de gaulle and other airports because they found signs these people were affiliated with or had links to extremists. that's something very much in the mind of u.s. officials and french officials. they know it is a summer in which they keep an eye on possibility of isis and other terrorist groups trying to carry out attacks in western europe. >> evan, you mention something that i have been hearing all day, three security officials were on the flight. four hour flight with just 66 people on board. three security officials. that seems like an awful lot. any word why? >> well, we are told this is
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quite standard, especially for egyptian carriers and other carriers in the middle east, they're very much concerned about the security picture there, john. even though this is a flight original ating in western europe, they make sure there are what their equivalent of air marshals are on the flights. that's something we're going to look into. the authorities are looking into who these people are, whether there's any reason to be concerned. >> evan perez, great reporting. appreciate your time. joining us security analyst julie kiem, and aviation correspondent richard quest. underwater search specialist, david gallo, and cnn analyst les aven. julia, start with you. we have no concrete answers now, but that doesn't mean there aren't limiting factors here. you say there are few explanations for why a plane like this, airbus a320 would
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fallout of the sky from 37,000 feet. >> right. the theories we are going with, a limited number of theories, mechanical failure, pilot error, and third, deliberate action, call it terrorism, but some deliberate action. don't know if it was a passenger, luggage, something else, but something catastrophically brought the plane down. over the course of this day there are pieces of evidence to suggest that this last theory is the working one. that's what the united states is saying, it is the working theory. the reason why, there's no sos, not bad weather going on, the flight tipping and moving around at the end all suggests the pilots were out of control for reasons that are not explained by any other theory. but the reason i am not there yet is simply first, no one has taken credit for it, we might
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anticipate they would have relatively quickly, and at least reported by some news organizations like reuters, there's no evidence of an explosion in the air. we have geo spacial monitoring. those are two things i would expect in a terrorism incident. just to viewers, there's a lot of evidence coming out, limited number of theories, and we are leaning toward one for the reasons i stated. >> les, she brought up the no sos, no may day. something evan perez brought up as well. why or why not might that be significant? >> well, i've said very often that you're trained in three basic things. we all heard this before. pilots aviate navigate, communicate. if i am work on a problem, there are three of toys hand tell. folks on the ground assist us,
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but we take care of it. i may not have time to say i have a problem, nor do i know what the problem is. if i have to assess it, if it is something abnormal not in my checklist, i am going through it to try to evaluate so i can communicate that i have some problem. was it maybe another possibility that the radios didn't function, they tried to get out a call? it is hard to say. >> richard, there was a gap in communication, right, of at least 40 minutes. they communicated, the ground did, with the air over greek air space. everything was fine, the pilot seems happy, then there's a long time before they checked in with them again. why is that significant? >> it is significant in the sense that nothing is happening with the flight, it is continuing its altitude of around 37,000 feet, speed marginally increases, but not
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dramatically. so we don't know from the last check in to when they try to call the kwauft again, we don't know in that window whether everything is normal or something has gone wrong, but we can pinpoint when they do try to check in 28, 29 minutes past, don't get a reply, the plane flies into egyptian air space and then we have a so-called swerve or this sharp descent. this is important because it pins down times when you know everything is okay, when you know there could be a problem, and when you know there definitely is a problem. but of course so much for being clever on the time line, it doesn't tell you what the problem actually is. i think, though, because the plane continues to fly and there's no indication of anything wrong, you are looking at around somewhere in that 30
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minute gap for the incident to have taken place. >> for those of us that don't understand, is 30 minutes a long time or brief time in terms of unknown period when you deal with an air disaster? >> oh, no, the plane is on course during all of this. the pilots have given check in, they're well into radar coverage, it is over the mediterranean, so the next call would be from the next air traffic controller to say contact egypt control on whatever frequency. so everything is normal from check in and to when the next call would be, now contact egypt air traffic control. it is somewhere in that parameter where whatever happened is taking place. is it a struggle? unlikely at the moment. is it a bomb? probably not, at that point the plane is flying normally. is it mechanical and they're overwhelmed.
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again, we don't see anything changing in the flight profile of the radar until the plane crosses into egyptian air space. i'll be honest with you, john, we are looking at a could nun drum of circumstances that does not lead itself at this point to easy options. >> which is why the flight data recorder and voice pit recorder are important to locate. today there was word from egyptian officials, officials mind you, that debris had been sighted. turned out not to be the case. why does a mistake like that happen? how frustrating for people like you involved with the search and how do you get it right tomorrow? >> it is incredibly frustrating. more importantly, horrific for families and loved ones and victims of the flight to go through this. it is shades of where you go to
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bed with a set of facts and wake up in the morning and they're all different. it is a horrible way to treat bits of information. but they do need to get it right. it is just appalling, here we are nine years after air france 447 went into the south atlantic ocean, still not streaming data. have to go through medieval almost task of finding two recorders to bring them to the surface. it is nuts. >> guys, thanks so much. stick around. just ahead, political upheave in the middle of a presidential campaign that had terrorism as a central focus. what donald trump said and what hillary clinton told new day's chris cuomo and their exclusive conversation. that's next.
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whanchts brought down egyptair flight 804 took 66 lives, happened in a climate of global terrorism and backdrop of a u.s. presidential campaign. today both leading candidates weighed in. hillary clinton speaking out in her exclusive conversation with chris cuomo. showed you that last hour. now we want to give you some time. here it is. >> secretary clinton, good to have you as always. >> thank you. welcome to my hometown, chris. >> thank you very much. very warm reception here.
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you've come home. yet the problems of the world are upon us. >> that's true. >> you see in the headline this morning, egyptair, they're finding debris in greek waters, greek authorities, egyptian authorities all saying that they believe this was terror as much as anything else. not there yet, but somehow the loss in the battle against terror, what's your message and what do you believe the response should be to make something like this less likely? >> well, chris, it does appear it was an act of terrorism exactly how, of course the investigation will have to determine, but it once again shines a bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups, isis of course and other networks of terrorists that have to be hunted down and defeated, and i think it reinforces the need for american leadership, for the
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kind of smart, steady leadership that only america can provide working with our allies, our partners, our friends in europe, the middle east and elsewhere. because we have to have a concerted effort that brings to bear both domestic resources, sharing of intelligence, take a hard look at airport security one more time, whatever needs to be done must be done. world depends on air travel. we can't allow it to be interrupted or people be intimidated. and to continue to take the fight, although it needs to be even more intensified against isis from where it is running its operations in syria and iraq, so we have to really go along with the kind of plan that i've been outlining for months, which is we will defeat them on the ground using our air power, equipping, training, supporting arab and kurdish fighters, drive them out of iraq, drive them out
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of their strong hold in raqqah, syria. we are going to intensify cooperation among nations with a direct stake, which i argue is just about every nation now, principally european, arab, middle eastern. we will take them online, and we're going to intensify intelligence and law enforcement cooperation. >> how do you fight the perception that we look weak? trump this morning was out hot and early on twitter when this happened saying looks like another act of terror. more proof that we're weak. we have to be strong. there's a lot of hate and anger out there. he is channeling the perception that a situation like this fuels, which is that we are weak. the russians, chinese can scare our military, and america does nothing. how do you answer that. >> first of all he says a
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lot of things, he says a lot of things that are provocative that actually make the important task of building this coalition, bringing everybody to the table and defeating terrorism more difficult. >> why? >> for example, when he says bar all muslims from coming to the united states, that sends a signal to majority muslim nations, many of whom we have to work with in order to defeat terrorism, some of whom are among our strongest allies in this fight. it sends a message of disrespect and it sends a message that makes the situation inside those countries more difficult for them to go all in the way we need them to go all in. >> to the americans, that message resonates where they say the attackers always do seem to be muslim, they're coming in here, comey in charge of vetting them says he can't vet them. trump calls for a temporary ban. it seems to make sense to people. does it make sense to you? >> not at all. let's remember what he called for and to break it up. he has said all muslims should be barred from coming to the united states, all muslims. nobel prize winners,
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entertainers, sports stars, you name it, the new mayor from london, all muslims should be barred. when confronted with the new mayor from london who as you know is the first muslim elected to be mayor of london by the people of london, he says i'll make an exception for him. the whole approach is just incredibly provocative and wrong headed. and look what he has done in the last week. he has attacked our closest ally, great britain. praising the leader of north korea, a despotic leader, whether it is saying pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear weapons, the kinds of positions he is stating and consequences of those positions, >> it makes us less likely to be
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as effective as we need to be going forward in aswajing concerns of people that we want to work with us to deal with the threat. we have been effective in beginning to kill off the leadership of isis, to go after their funding sources, to make it very clear that we're going to keep training the iraqi army, they've taken back ramadi, we will be supporting them to take back other parts of the territory, most importantly mosul that isis has seized, so we are making progress. our biggest concern and i think if this turns out to be an act of terror with a flight coming from paris, our biggest concern is what's going on in europe and that is something that we do have to address and deal with, with all our partners, and that
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requires more cooperation. >> do you think donald trump is qualified to be president? >> hear secretary clinton's answer to that next. an answer she had not given before. and why she says trump's message is playing into the hands of terrorists. >> we have seen how donald trump is being used to essentially be a recruiter for more people to join the cause of terrorism. network in america. i know what you're thinking, they all claim stuff like that. yeah, but some of them stretch the truth a little bit. like this. faster, more reliable and better coverage than ever. and it shows the coverage there. uh, oh, hold on. oh! map is not a depiction of coverage! well, then what's the point? i'm speechless. only verizon has the largest 4g lte network in america. and now if you buy a samsung galaxy s7 edge, you get one free. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis
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more on chris cuomo's exclusive interview. hillary clinton talks about why his message is playing into the hands of terrorist recruiters. she also has answers to the most fundamental question of them all. watch. >> let me ask you. do you think that donald trump is qualified to be president? >> no, i do not. and i think in this past week whether it is attacking great britain, praising the leader of north korea, a despotic leader, whether it is saying pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear weapons, the kinds of positions he is stating and consequences of those positions, and even the consequences of his statements are not just offensive to people, they're
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potentially dangerous. >> how so? politicians talk, madam secretary. they say things, but once they get in office, people believe nothing will be that different. >> well, when you run for president of the united states, the entire world is listening and watching. when you say we're going to bar all muslims, you're sending a message to the muslim world and also sending a message to the terrorists because we now do have evidence, we have seen how donald trump is being used as a recruiter for more people to join the cause of terrorism, so i think if you go through many of his irresponsible, reckless, dangerous comments, it is not just somebody saying something off the cuff. we all misstate things, we all may not be as careful in phrasing what we say. this is a pattern. it is a pattern that has gone on
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now for months and it is a pattern that adds up in my opinion having watched presidents, having seen the incredibly difficult work that they do and the decisions that they have to make, the thinking that goes in, sitting in the situation room, do we go after bin laden or not. way part of -- i was part of that. was it a clear, easy choice? of course not, did it have to be carefully parsed and analyzed, and we all gave our opinions but it was up to the president to decide. i know how hard this job is and i know that we need steadiness as well as strength and smarts in it and i have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the united states. >> you don't think donald trump could make that call whether or not to go after bin laden? >> based on what we know now, he could make it based on evidence that wasn't clear, say a lot of
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things that might have given notice. i mean, based on the way he has behaved, how he has spoken and the policies he has literally thrown out there, i think it adds up to a troubling picture. >> we will have much more on chris cuomo's interview ahead. joining me, adviser to four presidents, david gergen, gloria borger, and cnn political commentator, errol lewis. obviously hillary clinton doesn't want donald trump to be president. but she was asked two weeks ago if you think donald trump is qualified to be president and she did not answer, did not say no. she said voters have to decide. i am going to talk about my own qualifications. today a world of difference in her answer. why? >> welcome to the general election. she's taken a turn to the general election. she understands who she's up against. he's been calling her names, crooked hillary, attacking her
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husband and herself and she's decided, you know, the way to attack him is to let people know that he is a risk and that he is dangerous and we live in dangerous times and that's the best argument she believes, according to her staff, that she can make against him. so if you were to do a word cloud over everything she was saying to chris cuomo, the words are offensive, dangerous, unpredictable, not qualified, fear mongering, provocative, right? and i think that these are words you're going to hear over and over again because she's just going to say this is too dangerous a choice for americans to make. >> it is clearly at a different level. however, it is the same basic decision as the 3:00 a.m. phone call she tried to barack obama when they ran against each other in 2008. she said he is not ready for the 3:00 a.m. phone call, i am.
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again, different tone in this, but she tried this once and it didn't work. >> let's remember back in 2008 then senator barack obama was a bit of a blank slate. we've got donald trump making all kinds of statements, anything but a blank slate. he is promising every single day to build this wall with mexico and have mexico pay for it. he is threatening or promising every day to deport people. 11 million people. he is threatening, talking about every day reorganizing our relationship to nato and to all of the other major alliances we have, not to mention trade deals. so when hillary clinton keeps honing in and saying things like risky choice, i hear her trying to talk to undecided voters. there are quite a few of them that are out there. i hear her trying to talk to independents, trying to define him and put him in a box. it is a little more traditional, the way politicians usually do it. she's trying in a subtle way to appeal to this block of voters.
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>> subtle? >> well, subtle compared to donald trump, right? >> loose cannon, not so subtle. >> and to try to sort of place him and define him in people's minds before too much more time goes on, her hope, this is what her husband did in 1996, her hope is by the time donald trump tries to respond effectively, it has already been baked in with key constituency that they'll both be competing for in swing states. >> david, it is interesting. donald trump says he doesn't care hillary clinton is saying this, he likes to say this is ridiculous, he says she's unqualified. yet donald trump met with henry kissinger, considered an eminent figure in foreign policy. clearly he is doing that for a reason, to give a sense that he is qualified, that he is talking to adults.
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is this effective? >> i think we've seen just the beginning of it. but i believe if he were to do it over time, if he were to become more presidential to, quote, grow, as they might say in washington, i think it will help him. what i think we see in hillary clinton is very, very interesting. i believe it is a strategic decision by her campaign and by democrats more generally that the way for her to win is to be the anti-trump person, to convince people that he is totally unqualified, unacceptable in office, dangerous in the office, rather than trying to convince people that she has a great plan for the future, she's going to make all of the changes. i think we will see something like this with the trump campaign, vote for me, i am not hillary. hillary is vote for me, i am not trump, i am not dangerous. and instead of trying to drive up approval, she's trying to drive up disapprovals. if she gets high enough, that
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may be the path to victory. >> gloria, we will see a nasty campaign. >> we are. >> absolutely. >> and these are both unpopular candidates historically, and i think if david is right, i believe he is, what hillary clinton is trying to do is say look, you may have problems with me and i know you've got problems with him, but i'm not dangerous, okay? i'm the choice that will not into war, i am the choice won't get you worse. much more ahead. chris cuomo's interview with hillary clinton, what she says about bernie sanders staying in the race, how he and supporters caused chaos at the state democratic convention. . whoa, whoa, i got this. just gotta get the check. almost there.
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more of chris cuomo's interview with hillary clinton. bernie sanders says he is staying in the race until all votes are counted. hillary clinton addresses that and the big picture issue of bringing the democratic party together while there are unhappy sanders supporters out there. watch. >> you get to the general election if you're the nominee. >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is already done in effect. there's no way that i won't be.
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>> there's a senator from vermont who has a different take on that. he says he is going to fight to the end. >> yes. >> there seems to be a change here, as donald trump is trying to galvanize his party, the democratic party seems to be going the other way. his supporters have become more aggressive, feeling that the system is rigged against the senator. we saw what happened in nevada. when you saw that, did you believe that sanders responded the right way to the situation? >> i was very disturbed by what went on there but i am confident. >> with him or the supporters. >> with what we saw. >> the supporters. >> what we saw was disturbing. i have every confidence we're going to be unified. >> where does that confidence come from? >> in part from my own experience. i went all the way to the end against then senator obama. i won nine out of the last 12 contests back in '08, i won indiana, kentucky, west
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virginia, so i know the intense feelings that arise, particularly among your supporters as you go toward the end. but we both were following the same rules just as both senator sanders and i are following the same rules and i am 3 million votes ahead of him and i have an insurmountable lead in pledge delegates and i am confident that just as i did with senator obama where i said you know what, it was really close, much closer, much closer than it is between me and senator sanders now. vote wise and delegate wise. i said in fact, depends how you evaluate it, i had more popular vote but fewer delegates and the name of the game is how many delegates you have, right? so when i came out and withdrew and endorsed senator obama, about 40% according to polls, about 40% of my supporters said they would never support him.
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so i work really hard to make the case as i am sure senator sanders will that whatever differences we might have, they pale in comparison to the presumptive nominee of the republican party, name an issue you care about, domestic or international, and clearly we are much closer, senator sanders' supporters and mine than either of us is with donald trump. >> why don't you reach out directly to senator sanders and do the work of reunification, of unification of the party, however you want to see it. i ask this because senator sanders said to me in the past and to many others, it is not my job to get my supporters to vote for hillary clinton. clinton has to make the case to the supporters. given what you see with increase in hostility and antagonism toward the process with the primaries on the democratic side, should you reach out to bernie sanders and say let's start doing this the right way.
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let me start talking, from your perspective, have you done that? >> i've said many times what i've just said to everyone, including his supporters, and i am absolutely committed to doing my part, more than my part. senator sanders has to do his part. that's why the lesson of 2008 which was a hard fought primary as you remember was so pertinent here because i did my part, but so did senator obama. >> and he -- any thought to making that process happen now as opposed to months from now? >> we've had lots of conversations between people that know me well and support him he knows what i am saying, i respect him, i understand, passionate for the issues he is
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pounding at for years. >> what would bring you two together quickly, if bernie sanders became the vice president, is there any chance of that. >> i am not getting into that. that's something down the road. >> you're in your hometown, make it in a historic place. >> even considerations on the list. >> good try, i am not answering that question. >> nice try. secretary clinton is not ready to anticipates questions about her potential running mates. what about questions about her husband. hear what she says about trump's attack on their personal lives, bill clinton's in particular. that's next.
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if indeed it is hillary clinton versus donald trump in the general election which all signs are pointing to, there is a big question of strategy. does clinton take the high road or try to fight donald trump nickname for nickname and insult for insult and it has not worked with anybody so far. here is more of chris cuomo's exclusive interview with hillary clinton. >> you have full confidence in being the nominee, and you know where donald trump is, and where he will go and the adopted it early the ugly attacks about you
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and your husband and your response is i am above it and i won't go there. and the risk is that is what jeb bush said, and others said, and the stink ended up sticking to them. are you concerned that by ignoring the attacks they become more powerful? with are no, i am not. because people can judge his campaign for what it is. i am going to run my campaign and i'm not so much running against him as i am running for the future that america deserves to have and i believe that i'm the best candidate to deliver. so that is why i talk about i will do economically and on education and health care and how we are going to bring the country together and i have experience working across the isle, and i have had experience as first lady and senator and secretary of state. i am certain that we will lay out the confidence about the
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visions for the future. he can say whatever he wants to say, but in every election people want to know what are you going to do tomorrow, and what is the future going to be looking like if i trust you with the most solemn responsibility, and that is the exactly kind of campaign that i am running and continue to keep running. >> do you feel compelled to defend the honor of you and your husband with the statements that he is making that go to the core of the relationship? >> no, not at all. i know that's exactly what he is fishing for, and, you nknow, i' not going to be responding. >> all right. hillary clinton there, and you can hear her talking about her h husband and talked about donald trump at lot, and talk about bernie sanders. and back now with david gergen and gloria borger and errol louis, and the language that she used talking about the sanders' campaign is something we have never heard before, and she has said about this campaign, it is done. no way i won't be the nominee, she said.
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>> i was quite frankly stunned when she did it, and i realize two things in the sbe view, one, she dismissed donald trump as not being qualified to be president, and secondly, she dismissed bernie sanders to say it is over. this race is over. she said i have an insurmountable lead and by the way, i was closer to president obama than he is to me, and 40% of my supporters said that they would never support president obama, and i, hillary clinton, managed to get them to enthusiastically support obama, and i suspect that is what bernie sanders is going to do for me, and she is sending a direct signal to him which is shut this down. i mean, she said, oh, he has every right to stay in, but she is clearly getting a little ticked off here. >> ander roll the questi er roe
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saying, come on, ber nishgs get the -- come on, bernie, get it done. shut it down. >> and there is a plain political reality that both the media and a lot of to political establishment i think that they the really sort of ought to just embrace rather than just humoring the bernie sanders' supporters. here is the math. will there is 940 delegates left, and if bernie sanders can get 850 of them, and some how stop her from getting 92, he will have beat her in pledge delegates, but i don't see any scenario where that can happen and bernie sanders does not either, and at a time of a minimum, and secretary clinton wants what she wants, but at a minimum, it is time for bernie sanders to talk internally to his own people about what they might want other than the nomination, because there are a lot of other things, and perfectly good reasons to push for a party platform planks, to
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change for the delegate rules and other things going forward, but we have not heard that from him, and that is what is getting hillary clinton a little bit frustrated. >> and david gergen, if erroll's math is right, and the explanation is right, why are we hearing from the sanders' campaign a statement which is downright dlij rent when hillary clinton says it is done, and he put out a statement that said that is not what the voters in virginia, and indiana and oregon say, and besides that, the statement said that millions of americans have growing doubts about the clinton campaign. millions of americans have growing doubts about the clinton campaign, and that is not sounding like a candidate who is about to concede or get the supporters to line up behind hillary clinton. >> he not done. i think that this is all about california. he wants to carry this race on, and be seen as a, you know, he has not pulled back, and not talked about the platform changes that he wants. he wants to go all out to
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prese present himself to the public as somebody who has a shot, and to go vote for him in california. if he wins in california and gets a large share of the delegates in california, he is going ing the go into the convention with power and leverage to then look at the platform. i think it is too early to expect them or any of them to make concessions, because california is out there, and what i do think is that the democrats can ask of sanders is don't, you know, stay in the race, and run a gentleman's race, but don't go out there to attack hillary in ways that will haunt her in the general election, and if you truly care about the democratic party and the future of the democratic party, and you are truly fearful of trump, then you owe it to her not to harm her in the next few weeks. >> and three weeks is the time if he stands by it going to california. thank you, david, gloria and aerroll, and we will be back. pet moments are beautiful,
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this next item got lost in the headlines today and the person in the center may have been okay with that. the legendary newsman morely safer uncomfortable on camera, but his face was a calling card because of the warmth of the voice and the face with the truth. and today, tv lost one of their best champions, morley safer died today at age 84. this is cnn tonight, and i'm don lemon. the plane takes off at 11:00 p.m. wednesday from charles de gaulle airport with 66 people on

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