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this next item got lost in the headlines today and the person in the center may have been okay with that. the legendary newsman morely safer uncomfortable on camera, but his face was a calling card because of the warmth of the voice and the face with the truth. and today, tv lost one of their best champions, morley safer died today at age 84. this is cnn tonight, and i'm don lemon. the plane takes off at 11:00 p.m. wednesday from charles de
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gaulle airport with 66 people on board and due to arrive this in cairo some 3 1/2 hours later, and the air comptroller spoke to the pilot. everything seems normal. at 2:27 a.m., shortly before the plane should be exiting greek air space, controllers try to reach the pilot, but there is no response. the plane passes into egyptian air space two minutes later. after 40 seconds more, the radar contact is lost according to the hoe linic civil aviation agency. the early theory, this is a terror attack, and possibly a bomb, but no indication of an explosion. meanwhile, the candidates are going head-to-head on the politics of terror. and hillary clinton saying this. >> it does appear that it was an act of terrorism, and exactly
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how, the investigation will have to determine, but it is once again shining a bright light on the threat that we face from organized terror groups. >> donald trump saying this, ask hillary who blew up the plane last night. another terrible but prevent arable tragedy, and she has bad judgment and unfit to serve as president at this delicate and difficult time in our history. cnn is fol e e log every single of this story. richard quest is in london, and arwa damon in egypt, and so we don't know for sure it is terror, and so walk us through it, richard in bay jieijing. >> well, your beginning description said it all.
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the greeks describe the pilot as cheerful, and then you have a 30-minute gap and a transfer of from one aircraft or from one air traffic controller to another, and that does not happen because the plane does not respond, and then the plane seems to have fallen out of the sky. if you are looking at the radar data, it little rally just comes to a stop. also though, the greeks say that there is a weird radar track are where the plane appears to swer tov the left and then go 360 degrees around. and now putting it all together, d don, and we have talked about the plane incidents on many occasion, and you have heard me say before, the planes don't fall out of the sky at 37,000 feet for no obvious or apparent reas reason. and there are really only two things here, that you are talking about bomb and terrorist nefarious activity or mechanical failure which may be compounded by pilot error. at the moment, at the moment in the absence of any other evidence, people are leaning,
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the security forces are leaning towards the security situation, the security solution. we just don't know. but in this situation, we are going to have to wait for black boxes. >> and evan perez in washington now, and u.s. officials were quick to say that the likely cause of the 804 crash was terror and likely downed by a bomb, and how did they come to that conclusion so fast? >> well, don, those are the only operating theories at this point. i don't believe they have made any conclusions, and they have not ruled out the mechanical possibilities that richard just talked about, and one of the things that is stuck out about this incident is that simply, we are talking about a modern sophisticated aircraft and from all appearances, a well maintained aircraft, and from talking to the officials, they believe that there was something wrong going won the mechanical functions of this aircraft. there are redundancies built into the aircraft to allow these pilots to radio for a distress signal and something going wr g
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wrong. if there is even somebody trying to break into the cockpit or the hijacking attempt, there were three security officials on the aircraft who perhaps would have been given time for the mayday situation, and these are theories, because they have not recovered the wreckage and they have not recovered the black boxes, but right now, one of the things they are doing is to focusing on the people on the plane, and not for any other reason, simply because they want to know more about them, because that is where this investigation begins. >> arwa damon in cairo, the plane was headed where you are, and a massive search is under way for the flight 804 wreckage, and what can you tell us about it? >> well, there is quite a bit of conflicting information throughout the entire day, don. at one point, we actually thought that the wreckage had been found after the vice president of egyptair said that
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they had located at least a portion of it. then he retracted that statement, and apologized for the misinformation. what we do understand though is that the area where the plane went down is about 120 or 130 nautical miles to the north of the egyptian coast. we do believe at some stage in the day, some debris had been spotted, but it is unclear as to whether or not that debris was part of the aircraft, and there is a fairly intense search effort that is under way. the egyptians are taking part, and the fwreeks are helping out, and some assistance coming in from other nations as well. but as reported throughout the entire day, time is of the essence here, and the longer it goes on, the more difficult to be to find the wreckage and of course, without the wreckage, one is not able to get any of the crucial and critical answers, don. >> and so, it was leaving paris, and that is where where atika shubert is. it had stopped in paanother pla
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before it came to paris, and it was swept. the country is on a state of alert which means that persons in that area have to be checked by police, and they have the personal walkers randomly check and swept so it is tight security here. what they are looking at is to see whether or not there were any weak links, and if in fact, there was a bomb on boarders was it somehow placed by somebody in the airport vicinity, and this is what the investigators are looking at, and so far, don, no red flags. richard quest, can we discount mechanical failures or issues? >> no, we most certainly can't.
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i am glad you asked me that, don, because it allows me to redress to some extent the preponderance of bomb and terrorist possibilities. there are a number of scenarios where you have the plane suffering either a major catastrophic structural failure are or you have an avionics failure which is then compounded by the way that the plane may be being flown by the pilots. in this regard, we have two very good examples. air france 449 years ago and airasia over to the java see two years ago. and in both of the cases the plane falls out of the sky, and you wonder what happened, but then you pin it on two issues, first the jubs and the circuit breakers, and in both cases, the pilots were overwhelmed by a
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mechanical failure, and the way that the plane was flown led it to stall. what i am look g fing for in th next day or so is any form of data or acars information from the satellite that tells us what was happening on the plane. we can learn a lot from that just at this particular stage. secondly, further radar tracks. so far all we have had are the greeks talking about this swerve to the left, and 360 to the right, but we have not had that confirmed by anybody else. was that a movement by the aircraft or was it the aircraft falling out of the sky? don, do not discount mechanical just yet, please. >> and evan perez, i have to ask you because the security at charles de gaulle airport has been under skrcrutiny and dozen of airport employees were fired because of suspected ties to extremists groups, and does that point to the an inside job?
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>> well, the french authorities will tell you that they know that they have a big problem, and speak ing ing to the french intelligence officials a couple of weeks ago in a meeting in london, they said they know that this summer is one they are on the high alert. they know that there sis a even in france where they will have their hands full with islamic extremists, and in belgium more recently, don, but they have said that they think that they have done a lot to redress the security addresses at orley or charles de gaulle, and the question is whether they can comb through the people who were with access before it left france and see if they can find a clue. >> and now, there were three people who perished on the flight, arwa, and what can you tell us about them? >> well, of the 66, you did have
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the three children there, and that is especially difficult. although, it has been phenomenally challenging emotionally and understandably so for the families of those who did die. and now, of the 66, 56 were passengers of the other ten, three were security officers. and now, you will always have at least one security officer on board, but in this particular case, there were three, and we don't know exactly why at this stage there were so many security officers on board, and then of course, you had the seven crew members. the families were gathered at the airport in cairo at least those who were in egypt at the time of the crash, and many of them when they first arrived this morning were quite shocked, but then as the day wore on and as they were leaving the facility, that there were, they had been initially brought to various hotels, they were in
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many instances overcome with emotions, and some of them quite angry at the egyptian intelligence and information distribution mechanisms, and wanting to know at lot more about what had happened and of course, the big question that everyone is asking, why it happened. we actually spoke to one of the journalists, the members of the press corps who was saying that a friend of his had seven family members who had died all at once in this particular crash. the actual passenger list, the manifest has not yet been made official at this stage. >> arwa damon and atika shubert and richard quest and evan perez, thank you to all of you. and as the question intensifies, the biggest question of all, where is egypt flight 804?
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egypt air flight 804 vanish and so far no trace of the plane or the 66 people including the three people on board. and joining me is chairman jim hall, and aviation analyst les abend, and jim, we want to start
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with you, both the u.s. and the egyptians are saying it is terror, and as an experienced investigator when you look at the evidence right now, what does it tell you? >> right now, the evidence is 3,000 feet deep in the mediterranean. until we have the black boxes which is the most important piece of information, and pieces of the aircraft, everything to this point is just speculation. >> if it was a catastrophic mechanical issue, how would the evidence be different? would it be different right now? >> well, unfortunately, the thing that i have been talking about for some time now is using the deployable flight recorders on the aircraft, and you nknow, running the risk every time these events happens, of a huge misunderstanding of international event, because we don't know what happened. this occurs time and time again,
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and they are deployable flight recorders that are used in the military and used for decades which is floating on the water, and we could have begun the investigation now, and now we have to go again down 3,000 feet to try to find the recorders before we can really start getting meaningful answers. >> and you have an issue with the microphone there, jim, and we will will come back to you when we get that fixed. and les abend, the pilot spoke to the air traffic controller and he said that, this is a quote, he was cheerful, and then no response and the plane plunged from the radar, and what do you have here? >> well sh, the expanse of time and something happened. my gut is the catastrophic pilot, and something that just
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ov overwhelmed the crew, and if the data is correct with the turns and the disseescent that we are surmising and first of all, where is that data coming from? a radar target or fall apart, but it tells me that the crew is not in control anymore but why not? was it because an event was occurred that they weren't handling that was mechanical or was it possible that there was an explosive device on the plane. >> and very experienced crew, and no distress call, and why wouldn't they -- and i know the answer to this, because we talked about it in 370, and if you are overwhelmed you don't have the time to raise the distress call. >> yes, and we have talked about aviate, navigate and communicate. and this is what we are the only ones on board to solve the problem, and the air traffic controller folks will do the best to help us, but at the end of the day, we can do it, and we can't get right to the problem f. we have to assess the problem first and we don't know the
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problem and it is not on the can checklist, we don't know what to communicate. so we have to work some of this out first. or maybe they did try to get a distress call, and the electrical system was shutting down and there was no way to communicate. >> and so, is there a delay, and one agency takes control or one agent is si when they hand it off, you are have to pan yulely switch signals or communication, and could that have been a problem or issue? >> no, they have to verbally communicate into egypt's air space, and they knew that the frequency change was coming up, and as a matter of fact, that is why the greek air traffic control folks were trying to get a hold of the pilots on board to say, hey, here is the frequency change, and contact the egypt air traffic controllers. >> and they would be in contact at all points. >> yes. >> and now, they said that the search would resume at first light, and how do you do the operation, and hunt for debris
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here? >> well, the frik is whether it is on the surface or beneath the sea is to be methodical about it, and you want to cover every square foot of the ocean and the sea and square foot of eventually every square foot of the sea floor, so it is going to be taking coordination, and knowledge of what sensors are out there and what platforms they are on and having, and it is like inviting people to come mow your lawn and if everybody shows up with a different lawnmowers and ideas of what the yard is going to be looking like, you will have a mess, so it takes an awful lot of coordinati coordination. >> what is that area like? >> well, the e sea is fairly smooth and calm, and that is good news, and the sea floor is deep. the average dep is 2 to 2 1/2 miles so it is 3,000, 4,000 meters deep. the b the bottom, muds and sediment from the nile river, and so it is a fairly smooth and flat c e
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compared to some of the things that we have had to deal with in the past where we were looking at underwater mountains. >> talking about 370, and that is a vast remote area, and this is not the same. this is heavily trafficked or at least more traffic in this than in 370? >> yes, more ship traffic, don, but it is not a lot. i took a look at it as soon as i heard about the tragedy this morning and took a look at the ships in the area, and there were a handful and most of them container ships on the way, and tr transiting back and forth, but, the one advantage that you have here is that it is fairly close to land as compared to two or three or four or five days just to get out to the search site, so they are close to land >> and jim, you said more information from the black boxes, but how quickly could they determine if it is terror once they recover that, and that is the first part to recover that. >> i am sure that they will probably go to the phrfrench laboratories and be read out
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right away. of course, there is some information are from the air traffic control, but the important information given the circumstances that you all have been describing is going to be on the black boxes, and that information is so critical, and it is so frustrating that we don't have it. >> and jim hall, and les abend and david gallo, thank you. when we come back, the early official's thoughts, it is terr terrorism, and who might have been responsible, and should you worry about your next flight? because you can't beat zero heartburn! i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.
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the early theory among the u.s. officials is is that e egypt flight 804 is taken down by a bomb, but no claim of responsibility. and joining me is the former director of security and also ambassador woolsey, and some are believing it is a bomb, but what are you thinking? >> well, it looks that way,
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because some of the theories are excluded due to the dialogue, but some type of mechanical malfunction is possible, and maybe it is an 80/20 proposition that it is a bomb. but the 20% possibility that it is something else does exist. >> and rafael, you believe that will there should be emphasis on the flight crew when so many people have access to the planes at the airport? >> well, first of all, i think that, in the middle east, there is a history of involvement of people that what we describe as the insooiders, and the acts of terrorism, and the example of sharm el sheikh was very typi l typical. we also remember the egypt air incident some years ago when the pilot took the plane down. but i have to say that as the
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more e details are coming out, i would hesitate to the rule out the possibility that what happen s sometimes on the ground. what i do like to play down the possibility that it is one of the passengers in this case. because as far as passengers are concerned, i think that the standards are still relatively high, but as far as the rest of it, including airport employees and crew members, the situation is not as good. >> and is so, just to pin you down here, and you think that it is an inside job, because you said so many people involved? you think it is an inside job? >> yes, i believe it is. >> and this why i asked, because charles de gaulle stepped up security after attacks in paris and belgium, and they fired employees over fears of radicalization, and the biggest areas of vulnerability, and how
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would someone get a bomb on board, rafi? >> well, taking in consideration an airport like charles de gaulle has 80,000 so-called red tags that allow 80,000 people access to the area where the airplanes are already indicates to the difficulty of controlling the who and what is moving into that area. keeping adding to this the difficulty to control the perm the ter, and in other aspects from the maintenance facilities to catering and others, to the add to the result that we cannot say at any level that delivering the bomb into the so-called protected area is impossible at this time. >> ambassador, we know that the plane stopped in tunisia and
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cairo before going to paris, and getting to paris, and we know that the plane had people on board from a whole host of countries including belgium, and iraq and sudan and kuwait and others, and does any of this give you pause? >> well, it is all interesting, but i really agree with rafi, that the probability of an inside job of some sort, and not necessarily insooide of the plat at all, but inside of the facility, and after all, planting a bomb here or planting something potentially the size of a coke bottle, and it has to go in specific places in the aircraft if you want to take it down and not just blow a hole in something. but it is far more likely that someone who worked in one of the facilities or at one of the airports was able to get something into the plane. >> rafi, to you again, when a plane goes through multiple countries like that, it is supposed to be swept each time,
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correct? >> correct. but just imagine that you have to swept an aircraft, and it is almost impossible, because the aircraft is such a complicated construction, that getting to every little possibility, and keeping in mind that the size of the bomb that can take off the airplane is about the size of two or three cigarette packages, it is extremely difficult to detect a well concealed device on the aircraft. i do suspect that the quality of the searchers and the swipes that are done at airports, between flights and even when we have an overnight stay, they do not meet the challenge. >> yeah. >> and rafi, i have to ask you of the 66 people on board, three of them were security, and that seems like a lot, but not sure if it is atypical, but is it
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typical? >> well, the fact that there are three security personnel on board, the three air marshals on board is nothing special in the middle east. i am familiar with the cases that on the regular basis, are there are more air marshals on board. but it is a good indication that if this was, and if there was ant attempt to hijack the airplane, i would assume that the three air marshals were sudd suddenly capable of handling it at least slowing it down to the point that they would allow the pilots to report about an event on the board. so i would certainly rule out this possibility. the possibility that the all three air marshals might be involved in such an attack is also not realistic. as far as the air marshals and what is happening in the cabin, i don't believe that this should
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be the focus. if anything happened, that led to the overwhelming of the cockpit crew, that is something that happened in the cockpit. it did not happen in the cabin. >> and that is what i asked before the break, should people be concerned here about the next flight, and what does it mean for our security here at home? are we safe? >> i believe it is a real vulnerability that we have. we have a large overseas company that has been substituting subcontracker or thes with a lot of foreign workers in them for companies that have to work in the maintenance and janitorial service, and so forth, and substituting those for companies that tend to employ more american workers, and it is not that we don't want people who come from the mideast and here legally to have a job, but we have to be make sure that people are vetted extremely carefully.
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that part of the world, the mideast, is a part of the world where passports are easily sold for $100 and so forth. so, yes, we have a vulnerability among the air crew, the jab torl service ares, and the maintenance people, and the people who have access to hangars, but are not of able as rafi said a num bber of red tag to get them through the security is substantial. we haven't paid much at the tension to this, and instead, we have decided apparently, the president is in the process of deciding that there were some decisions maybe today that we are going to the let in 100,000 folks from the middle east, and mainly from syria, and a fair chunk of those might well go to work in airports withouting having had really a thorough and
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effective verification of who they are. >> yes. >> and ambassador woolsey, thank y you, and rafi, appreciate it as well. and to politics, donald trump and hillary clinton are going head-to-head in how to the protect america. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing: a crash. the 2016 e-class. lease the e350 for $499 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. i think when people hear about i think it's important for, everyone to know that there is so much more to memory support than the stigmas you hearabout. that these residents still have lives and their lives still matter and that they are still living their lives.
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welcome back, everyone, and still a lot more questions and answers about that missing egypt airplane and the 66 people on board, but the candidates are losing no time to make ut a issue on the campaign trail, and joining me now, bob beckle cnn political commentator and john fill lips with a commentator with knbc and mark fphillips executive editor offal politics. and now, john, you first, just before 6:27 this morning, donald trump tweeted this, and he said looks like another terrorist attack, and airplane departed from paris, and when are we going to be get tough and vigila vigilant? and that is a fast conclusion to come to the plane had only crashed a few hours earlier, and is that what a president obama will do? >> well, the first thing that we
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know about the airbus 820s is that they are safe planes and they have a great safety record, and they don't just fall out of the sky, and the experts that i am watching on cnn is leaning toward towards terrorism, so it is prudent to be honest about thing, and we should not give people a false sense that there is something mechanically false about these planes when they buy a ticket to go on vacation, so the fact that he is calling it terrorism is a prudent thing the do. >> what's the rush though? >> and why should we bend over backward backwards to say it is everything other than terrorism, and if you go back to look at what happened in san bernardino, and we knew that it was an attack of terrorism long before the government came out to publicly acknowledge it, and if you look at fort hood, texas, they said it is workplace violence before terrorism is acknowledged and so there is a frustration out there among the trump supporters and the country as a whole that we do too much bending over backwards to try to give them the benefit of the doubt. >> and mark, i am trying to
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understand what john is saying here, but i don't understand the rush to say it is a horrible situation, and i think that, listen, many americans may agree with him h, but what is the rush? do we know that sitter errorism automatically. >> and the question is not that he came out to say it, and we have seep it from hillary clinton, and our experts here. >> and you want me to rephrase the question here, and then you can respond, because this is hillary clinton at 1:45 this afternoon, and this is our chris cuomo. >> it does appear that it was an act of terrorism, and exactly how, the investigation will have to determine. but it is once again shines a bright light on the threats that we face from the organized terror groups, isis of course, but then there are other network s of terrorists that have to be hunted down and defeated. so we have to really go along with the kind of plan that i have been outlining for months which is that we will defeat
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them on the ground using our air power, and the equipping and training and supporting the arab are and kurdish fighters to drive them out of their stronghold in raqqah, syria, and intensify the cooperation among the nations which have a direct stake which i argue is just about every nation right now, but principally the european and middle eastern and take them online and intensify our intelligence and law enforcement cooperation. >> okay. so they are very different responses, mark. >> very different responses, and at the core they believe it is terrorism, but it is the timing. and what it does, is that it is not so egregious that donald trump did it today, but it gives the enemies an opportunity to come out to question his judgment, and hillary clinton did that today. >> are and yes, you said that the timing is the timing of this is important. >> no fe kw, he came out
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immediately before we had any idea what is going on, but again, it allowing the detractors to use it against him. >> and bob beckle, the back and forth did not end there, and let's listen to more of the interview of hillary clinton with chris cuomo. >> when you run for president of the united states, the entire world is listening and watching and when you say that you are going to borrow muslims, you are sending a message to the muslim world and also to the terrorists because we have evidence that is what we have seen as donald trump is being used to es is sn shally be a recruiter for more people to join the cause of terrorism. i uno how hard this this job is -- i know how hard this job is, and i know that we need steadiness and strength and smarts in it. i have concluded that he is not qualified to be president of the united states. >> and all right. happening on, bob, because i want to play this trump at a rally in new jersey. and i will get your are response. >> bernie -- crooked hillary.
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i love this crowd. this is great. this is my people. this is my people. bernie sanders said that hillary is not really essentially fit to be president, and she is not qualified to be president, and you know why? he said because she suffers from bad judgment. so today, we had a terrible tragedy, and she came up and she said that donald trump talked about radical islamic terrorism which she does not want to use, and she uses a different term, because she does not want to use that term, and she are refuses to use that term, and i am saying to myself, it is a terrible thing and he essentially should not be running for office, and he does not have the are right to run for office, and i am saying, what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky, and if anything, and if
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anybody believes it is was not blown out of the sky, you are 100% wrong, folks. >> there you are, bob, take it away. >> well, let me be a trump detractor here, and first of all, let me say this, trump tweets at 6:42 in the morning, and does the guy ever sleep? and two, who made him an expert on the air traffic safety and terrorism, and he says that hillary clinton is not qualified to be president, and who is he kidding? he is barely qualified to build the building, and here is another thing that i want to point out that hillary did and it is good and tough and she said that trump is a recruiter for isis, and i don't know if people paid attention to that, but that is a line she used and it is a tough statement, and he better get used to having people saying tough statements back to him, because he cannot defend them. >> and john, we discussed donald trump's response, and what did you think of hillary clinton's response? >> well, she essentially said the same thing hours later, and she came to the same conclusion
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that sitter errorism, and the same conclusion of all of the experts on cnn, because it is obvious and she is admitting the obvious. >> a tweet would have suffice and been helpful for you if she had tweeted earlier. >> well, look it does not matter how, on twitter or television, but acknowledging that it is terrorism is a good step in the right direction. >> and mark -- >> you are not -- >> well, go ahead, bob. >> i was going the say, you are not going to have a major event like this happen in major president hall politics where oo either or both are not going to be grabbing a hold of it and not try to make political hay on it. hillary took him on and he took her on, and so when a major stories breaks, both of them are going to be grabbing a hold of it and try to turn it against the other one. >> and mark, we will get in the next segment of what donald trump said about hillary clinton's cnn interview earlier
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back now with bob beckle and
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john preston and john wall, and earlier tonight, he released a statement that said hillary who believes it is a muslim ban, and in quotes, and it proves that bernie sanders is correct when he said she is not qualifyied. look at the carnage, in paris, san bernardino, and brus ssels d a number of places. she and the totally ignorant president won't use the term radical islamic president, and by the way, ask hillary who blew up the plane last night? she has terrible judgment, and she is not qualified to be the president there in the most delicate and difficult time in our country's history. i think he was hedging there. that is a joke. and now, is he blaming her on
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that? >> no, it is a litany of frustrations, and legitimate frustrations that the american people have with the administration in regard to the terrorism, and if you are looking at any reasonable acts that trump supporters or people who want more restrictions on say immigration, and people coming here as refugees when we don't have background systems at check, or how about linking up the databases of isis and local law enforcement when we know that the 9/11 hijackers were picked up on traffic infraction, and so none of that has occurred a when you don't take the efforts to mitigate terrorism in the eyes of trump and trump supporters then you will see the frustrations bubble up. >> bob, what is your reaction. >> well, the reaction is that first of all, if you want to guarantee terrorist attacks in the united states, follow the lead to ban muslims from coming into the united states, and it is the most ridiculous, and sophomoric and unintellectual
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thing in the world. and when he talks like that, hillary is correct, he a recruiting tool. if you think that there sis a bn of muslims in the country, that would not have happened last night, and any of the rest of it would not have happened? no, more of it will have happened, and that is the problem donald trump is encouraging terrorism by banning muslims. >> and now, the clinton campaign e-mail e-mailed the supporters this, and i believe you have a copy of this, mark preston, and i don't want the read it all, but maybe i will, and it said, friend, today in the interview, i was asked if donald trump was qualified to be president, and this week alone, he has alienated great britain one of our most close allies, and a qualified nominee would not ever suggest that we ban all muslims from coming into the country, and deepening the divide between our allies, and so no, donald
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trump is not qualified to be president. but if we don't work as hard as we can everyday from now until november 8th, and he'll be the next president of the united states. and if you chip in, she is going to be sending you a sticker and send you all of the way to the white house. >> wow, a sticker. well, that is what beckle said, the bottom line is that you are taking a serious situation, and both politicizing it to the point that -- >> raising funds off of it. >> and she is trying to raise money off of it and he is trying to detroy her off of ita and she is trying to detroy him off of it, and there is a definitely, a reason for these two to discuss major issues such as terrorism, and for them to debate it, but it is unfortunate, and it are will never change that it comes down to politicizing it, and that what we have seen in the last 12 or 15 hours.
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>> mark, john, bob, thanks. appreciate it. >> thanks. >> when we come right back, it is before dawn in cairo, and we will have the latest on the investigation, and here at home, hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling for the nomination, and what will it take to bring the democrats together? behr's most advanced paint. get the best paint for any budget and save 10 or 40 bucks. only at the home depot.
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top of the hour, where it is the investigation of egypt flight 804 is into day two. i'm don lemon, and this is cnn tonight. the search is intensifying as the officials are concerned that the plane was taken down by a bomb. meanwhile, the candidates are battling over the politics off terror. >> we have seen how donald trump is being used to essentially be a recruiter for more people to join the cause of terrorism. so i think that if you go through many of his ir responsible, reckless, ap dangerous comments, it is not just somebody saying something off of the cuff. >> today, we had a terrible tragedy, and she came up, and she said that donald trump talked about radical islamic r terrorism which she does not want to the use. she uses a different term, because she does not want to use that term, and she refuses

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