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what, the past 30 hours or so, since news that this plane dropped off the radar in the middle of the night thursday morning at around, we believe, between 2:29 and 2:37. so relatives here will be an awful morning for them, an absolutely awful morning. this is what we know. a sign egyptair flight 804 has been found. an egyptian military spokesman says passenger belongings and parts of the aircraft have been located north of the coastal city of alexandria. as the french foreign minister insists that the paris airport from which the airbus 320 departed was completely secure. >> translator: the government strengthened all its measures following the january attacks. everything has been done to reinforce everywhere. >> reporter: u.s. government officials serving as analysts in the investigation are operating under the theory that a bomb
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brought down the missing jet, but they have yet to find any indications of an explosion. >> i'm not aware of any sensors that picked anything up on this. >> reporter: terrorism is current think a suspicion, not based on nany concrete evidence >> translator: we need to give the maximum amount of information in order to gival tru the truth. we owe this to the families. >> reporter: and at 1:48 a.m., not responding to repeated calls just 40 minutes later. after another 2 minutes, completely dropping off radar. egypt aviation referring to this strange pattern it seems more likely to have been a terrorist attack. >> having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical. >> reporter: and greek officials say the plane swerved, then plunged, before apparently
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falling into the mediterranean. u.s. officials say the swerving may just be the pieces of plane in the sky picked up by radar, supporting the here to think was some kind of explosion 37,000 feet in the air. >> the aircraft scheduled maintenance was done on time. there was no snags or anything that were reported. >> reporter: and the egyptian president just in the past hour offering his condolences and regret, and mourning the loss of these people on the plane. clearly, the egyptians believe now that they know what happened, that, in fact, this plane fell out of the sky and hit the water, why that happened, though, remains a mystery at present. it does, though, seem clear, chris that this will now move from a search and rescue operation to a search and recovery operation, being run by the egyptians in conjunction
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with the greeks, the french and british helping out, as are the cypriots and italians. very, very sad day particularly for the friends and family of those 66 people onboard. chris? >> that's right, becky. the situation started with a measure of optimism because it was an airbus 320 and would be less susceptible to massive damage on impact in the water, and the water temperature itself, but those hopes have faded with this extension of time. the argumentsy has also expanded. a lot more countries are involved now in a massive search effort even if it is about recovery as opposed to search. more of the coordination, people got hopes up, debris found only to hear later in the day it was not the debris they were actually looking for from this
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egyptair plane? >> reporter: yes, chris. i think lessons were learned from that to build in caution knowing this is the mediterranean, there are not strong currents that debris kind of stays out there in the sea, debris from other incidents, we know the one of migrants crossing the sea here, a lot of debris out in the mediterranean. so lessons learned. today the greeks have two c-130 aircraft operating out of this island crete and involved in this recovery effort, they have surveillance aircraft out there as well. the united states has a p3 orion surveillance aircraft over the water as well. the british from theirs base in cypress, not many fimiles from here have a vessel out aiding in that search effort. the greeks also on the next island over have two helicopters on standby to go in and assist in the recovery efforts there. we're told italians and scyprios
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also involved in this effort, but looking out of the -- >> we've lost our reporter for a moment to but will get back to him. a major focus, who had access to the plane before it vanished? the plane mace stopped isn't paris and tunis before it was lost off radar. from paris what have you learned? >> reporter: they're not ruling out the idea the plane could have been sabotaged here at charles de gaulle airport. just one of the lines of investigation at this point, i have to mention. when the aircraft arrived here at charles de gaulle there was a full sweep of the aircraft, all passengers got off and none got back on if there was salbotage, possibly it could have happened here. the whole investigation will ramp up another level and a huge
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amount of interest in what could have happened here, obviously, but sat the same time, there's bemusement of the idea that anyone could have put a device on an aircraft here, arguably the most secure airport in the world right now. imagine the paris attacks both you and chris have reported on, you saw levels of security ramped up to unprecedented levels, and even today we've had baggage checks on the entrance to the terminal. it's being ramped up again today. one airport people cannot fathom how would you get a device on to the airplane. having said that, figures that 86,000 people have security clearance to go air side at charles de gaulle and also learned that 85 people have had their passes taken away because of concerns they may have been radicalized or potential, had potential to be radicalized. there's an issue here. they're looking a the it. no big official terror investigations here yet. we're just told by our sources they're calling it verification,
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looking through all the evidence and possible links here and we do know they are liaising, the french intelligence agencies with the american and egyptian agencies as well, alisyn. >> staggering numbers. 86,000 people with those, you know, special access badges and then 85 of them revoked pd thank you for all of that in the update. let's discussion with our panel, mary schiavo, and richard quest and phil mudd and aviation analyst les abend a 777 pilot and contributing eder of "flying" magazine. i can't match an better panel to help figure out where the we are today. phil, more than 24 hours after this incident where are you with what you think happened? >> the kwifirst question, why there's not a claim? back when we had al qaeda conducting operations they would
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have claimed, i think by now, they would have controlled the operation. transition 15 years downed road to isis. more loosely controlled organization, if they did that, stepping back what just happened? are we sure we own this one? i'm not certain we have a terar incident for a variety of reasons. i think this is still an open book. >> les in just following this part of the analysis one more step, because, really it has just as much credence as the other analysis which is it may have been a terror attack. absence seeing the fuselage and all evidence examined this is speculative. intel sources on the french side, still under a state of emergency, so they're very heightened. they say something very similar to phil mudd, saying these guys claim things when they don't do it, let alone when they have any reason to believe they have done it, and they also point to what we're discussing about these swerves isn't the air. they say there is an equal
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chance that that is something falling out of the sky after exploding, as opposed to a pilot maneuver, and they're looking at a equally. do you? >> well, you know, it's hard to say. i mean, we don't really know for sure where we're getting that data. i assume it's greek air traffic control radar. it also could be coming from the transponder of the airplane that broke apart. if it broke apart, the battery still attached at the electronics bay, it still may be coming out with signals that talk about altitude and ternurn. but the turns tell me an airplane out of control by the crew. >> not broken up and falling out of the sky? >> it's hard to say at this point in time. i think, the good news/bad news. good news, we found the debris. bad news, the tank the families have been dreading. at the end of the day, this is going to help us look at the evidence. if it's not, indeed, a terrorist act or to be a mechanical, technical issue or loss of
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control situation as a result of any of these, we may get a little closer to that, in that direction. >> mary, i know you think the lack of responsibility claim by any terror group could be an ominous sign. it could mean that if this were, in fact, a terrorist act of some kind, it was really just a dry run? >> right. there have been two major conspiracies in the past. one, of course, bojinka back in 1995, a first trial run, and the point was to try to see if they would succeed and then the second run would be a dozen airliners over the pacific, and their intent, of course to drop them in the ocean. so that people would not be able to find out, investigators couldn't find out until they had the bigger plot to execute, and then, of course, in 2006 we had what they're calling the british plot, of course, it wasn't the british at all. what it was a plan to take seven
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u.s.-bound flights out of the sky from britain, and that, too, was a terrorist plot, and that is why we have the liquids ban today. they were going to use liquid bombs. it would be very difficult to detect through security. a hydrogen approximaperoxide bo. two recent events where this would be important in the first run. >> richard, not muchcoverage with families, they create a room. looks like they're creating a room, a command center for families to go for comfort and wind up being questioned extensively for hours yesterday. atensably as part of the ain investigation. what do you make of that process and what are the pitfalls? >> well, first, you know, the airline and the governments and everybody involved says that the priority is the families, the care and comfort and making sure that they are okay, and that they are given what they need
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psychologically, physically, medically, even financially, but you're right at the same time. the investigation has to get to grips with whether there's anybody on those flight lists, may not be on a watch list, may not be on a terror list, but by questioning families you find out who these people were and whether they should be a person of interest or a person of suspicion. it's a very difficult balancing act, chris. it's extraordinarily difficult, because you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. but now i think that the plane has been located, or at least we know that it has crashed, i think you're going to see a strong shift and bias towards the sympathetic treatment of the families to make sure that they're given the due concern and consideration that they deserve. >> phil, this plane flew ten miles into egyptian airspace, therefore, egypt is in charge of
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this investigation. does that give you pause? >> absolutely. >> do you think this will be different, phil, because egypt is in charge of the investigation? will the timeline of the conclusion be longer? will the transparency of this investigation be different? we think back to the metro jet explosion that took them a long time to acknowledge that this was a bomb? >> it did. i don't think egypt is in charge of the investigation. an intelligence official a lot of things you're doing regardless whether egyptians are acknowledging terrorism, an accident. for example, we talked about looking at flight manifest. the first indicator for 9/11. known players? bouncing manifests off databases, look the what isis and al qaeda guys are saying on the wires, the communications you're getting. talking to source, syria, libya, is anybody talking about this? >> everybody has access to all of that stuff? not just egypt? >> everybody. and whether they acknowledged something behind the scenes,
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people like me in my old position are doing a lot of work regardless what egyptians say or do. >> and the french component. they've been reaching out for months and months to get more coordination and plenty to plumb just on that side. and mary, your ntsb experience and people wanting to look at the plane, you need the plane. that is does make egypt more relevant because they will are high on the priority list where things get sent. how do you deal with that? >> well, actually, you've made the very good point, because it's going to be the plane, the black boxes and condition of the plane that will probably give the first real hard clues. obviously, it's important. i thought very important, to put terrorism on the table so you start those assets and that investigation rolling. it's much harder if you waited for the plane and then say, oh, it might be terrorism. by then, evidence, witnesses, potential suspects have long gone, but once they get the plane they can check for explosive residue, any human remains would have that, if
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they're near the source of ignition or the explosive materiel. so that's going to be very important and there have been instances where, where the plane came down determined who was in charge of it, at least in charge of the civil air crash investigation. it's different on a criminal investigation, because literally any country can jump into that criminal investigation, and they are. >> okay, panel. stand by, if you would. we're going to call upon you throughout the program this morning. with this new information that they believe they found, debris from flight 804, we'll get into the particulars of exactly why they believe that and give you that information. we also want to talk about the latest developments in the election. there was a big day yesterday. hillary clinton changed her tone with donald trump and with bernie sanders. but it was really the headline with trump where clinton said she believes that trump is not qualified to be president. she said it to "new day," and you'll hear what her thinking is, next. ♪
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divisive, dangerous and not qualified. hillary clinton pulling no punches when it comes to assessing donald trump's ability to lead and protect this nation. we sat down with the democratic front runner and asked her about keeping america safe in the wake of the egyptair crash. here it is. >> well, chris, it does appear that it was an act of terrorism, exactly how, of course, the investigation will have to determine, but once again it shines a very bright light on the threats that we face from organized terror groups. isis, of course, but then there are other networks of terrorists that have to be hunted down and defeated, and i think it reinforces the need for american leadership, for the kind of smart, steady leadership that only america can provide, and working with our allies, our partners in the middle east and elsewhere. >> how do you fight the
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perception we look weak? trump was out hot and early on twitter when this happened saying, looks like another act of terror. more proof that we're weak. we have to be strong. there's a lot of hate and anger out there. he's channeling the perception that a situation like this fuels which is, we are weak. they can take our planes when they want. the russian, the chinese, they can scare our military when they want and america does nothing. how do you answer that? >> well, first of all, he says a lot of things. he says a lot of things that are provocative that actually make the important task of building this coalition, bringing everybody to the table and defeating terrorism more difficult. >> why? >> well, for example when he says, bar all muslims from coming to the united states, that sends a signal to majority muslim nations, many of whom we have to work with in order to defeat terrorism. some of whom are already among our strongest allies in this fight. >> do the americans that message
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resonates with, the attackers do seem to be muslim and coming in here and comey in charge of vetting them says he can't vet them. trump calls for a temporary ban. it seems to make sense to people. does it make sense to you? >> no. not at all. remember what he's called for and sort of break it up. he has said all muslims should be barred from coming into the united states. all muslims. nobel prize winners, entertainers, sports stars, you name it. the new mayor from london. all muslims should be barred. now when confronted with the new mayor from london who, as you know, is the first muslim elected to be marp of london, by the people of london, he says, well, i'll make an exception for him. i mean, the whole approach is just incredibly provocative and wrong-headed, and look what he's done just in the last week. he has attacked our closest ally, great britain. he has praised the reckless dictator in north korea. he has said, we should pull out
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of nato. our strongest military alliance. he has advocated for more countries having nuclear weapons. that kind of unpredictable, dangerous rhetoric and the policies that he throws out there for whatever hope he has to get people to respond to him make us less likely that we're going to be as effective as we need to be going forward in assuages the concerns of people that we want to be working with us to deal with this threat. >> let me ask you, do you think that donald trump is qualified to be president? >> no. i do not. and i think in this past week, whether it's attacking great britain, praising the leader of north korea, a despotic dictator who has nuclear weapons, whether it is saying, pull out of nato, let other countries have nuclear
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weapons -- the kinds of positioning he is stating and the consequences of those positions, and even the consequences of his statements are not just offensive to people, they are potentially dangerous. >> how so? >> well, as i mentioned -- >> politicians talk, madam secretary. they say things, and once they get in office, people believe nothing will be that different. >> well, when you run for president of the united states, the entire world is listening and watching. so when you say we're going to bar all muslims, you are sending a message to the muslim world and also sending a message to the terrorist, because we now do have evidence, we have seen how donald trump is being used to essentially to be a recruiter for more people to join "the cause" of terrorism. so i think if you go through many of his irresponsible, reckless, dangerous comments, it's not just somebody saying
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something off the cuff. we all misstate things. we all may not be as careful in phrasing what we say. this is a pattern. it's a pattern that has gone on now for months, and it's a pattern that adds up. in my opinion, having watched presidents, having seen the incredibly difficult work that they do, and the decisions that they have to make, the thinking that goes in, sitting in the situation room do we go after bin laden or not j? i was part of that. was it a clear, easy choice? of course not. did it have to be carefully parsed and analyzed and we all gave our opinions but it was up to the president to decide. i know how hard this job is, and i know that we need steadiness as well as strength and smarts in it, and i have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the united states. >> you don't think donald trump could make that call in that room about whether or not to go
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after bin laden? >> based on what we know now, he could make it perhaps on evidence that wasn't clear. he could say a lot of things that might have given notice. i mean, you just -- based on the way he has behaved and how he has spoken and the policies he has literally thrown out there, i think can adds up to a very troubling picture. >> all right, chris, you gave us a lot to talk about for the rest of the program, and we will do that, because you just heard from hillary clinton. now donald trump and bernie sanders areifying back to that interview. we'll tell you what they have to say, that's next on "new day." plus, we do have new information about the wreckage of egyptair being found. details coming up. it's true what they say. technology moves faster than ever. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration.
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all right. there's speculation the dynamic of the race is changing and good proof, hillary clinton seemed to take off the gloves against donald trump in a way we hadn't seen her do before this. the question is why?
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is it the right strategy? and what is this going to mean in the battle against the presumptive nominee. let's discuss. mark preston, and trump supporter jeffrey lord. we have to work that description, jeffrey. anden cnn political contributor and hillary clinton supporter hilary rosen. do to you have all here. immediate impact, mark? >> great interview. hillary clinton has gone places she hasn't gone before given every opportunity in weeks before your interview yesterday to go after donald trump, to say was he qualified, and she used yesterday during a time of concern and a time of terror to really go after donald trump, say that he's divisive, that he's unhinged, unmoored and not qualified to be president. >> what did you hear? that hillary clinton thinks he's not qualified to be president.
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she's been telegraph those thoughts. what did you think yesterday? >> i heard something substantive, though. hillary clinton is the no going to be doing the sort of personal insult tour that donald trump seems to campaign on constantly when he attacks her. what she said yesterday was, i'm concerned that he's, you know, criticizing america's greatest ally, i'm concerned that he's promoting a despotic dictator in north korea and wants to give additional weapons to additional countries and is banning muslims at a time when our relationship with the islamic world is so tense. i think what we're hearing from her are substantive objections and based on her own sense of what american values and foreign policy are, doesn't feel like he's qualified to be president. i think that's a -- that's a very different frame they're we're hearing from donald trump which really gets down to an
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insult game that i think the american people are really not very interested in at this point. >> jeffrey, there is contrary evidence to that last proposition. many feel that not responding to the attacks about the past is a way of basically confirming the past. is that the consideration on your side of the fence? >> well, certainly the fact that she doesn't respond, i mean, these -- you know, it's very interesting. this interview with donald trump in which he mentioned the rape word, these accusations are not come from donald trump. they're coming from the woman who were at the center of this. so all we're doing here, she wants to campaign on being, you know, the woman candidate, play the woman card. i would respectfully suggest he's not about women. she's about liberalism, and if you're a woman and you're a conservative then you have a different set of values than hillary clinton then you're not considered. so it's time to have this
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discussion. i think it's a good one, in terms of substance and everything, i found this very interesting in your interview with her, chris. she talked about north korea a few times and how dangerous and all of this kind of thing. north korea has nuclear weapons, because of the agreed framework that president clinton signed with north korea in 1994, and came out and said it, quote it to you exactly. "north korea will freeze and dismantle its nuclear program, and that the united states had got an good deal." well, all of these years later, north korea has nuclear weapons, because of bill clinton. so i really -- am very -- >> oh -- >> let's talk about foreign affairs. yesterday, mark, the tragedy of egyptair put terrorism back on the front burner and back burner of some other things we've been talking about, and hillary clinton basically suggested that donald trump sort of shoots from the hip, and you know, calls it something before he has the information. it turns out that that was actually terrorism it is the way
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many in the intelligence community were leaning. here what donald trump just tweeted in the last hour, i believe. he says, look where the world is today. a total mess, and isis is still running around wild. i can fix it fast. hillary has no chance. that is a message that is very soothing to people who are worried about it. i can fix fast. he doesn't give specifics but maybe that's enough? >> what we've seen now is the politicization of how they're going to address the issue of terror. you know, i went back and looked at our most recent cnn/orc poll to see where hillary clinton stacked up against donald trump when it came to two key issues. foreign policy and terror. issue of foreign policy, she outdistanced 25, 30 points. talk about terror, only about 5 points. the reason being the rhetoric he's using and how he is able to fire up his supporters by saying that he is going to take on the likes of isis, that he's the one that can beat terrorism, i think
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has been very effective for him, but when you talk about the politicization, right at the top, you're absolutely right. we saw donald trump immediately come out yesterday, in this hour basically, 24 hours ago, before we knew anything was happening, that -- that there was -- that the plane was taken down by terrorists and last night at about 9:30, 10:00 at night, chris, hillary clinton took your interview and put it out as a fund-raiser to try to raise money and cast even more doubt against dnt. >> but, hilary, it seems to cut both ways, as alisyn is pointing out here. yes, trump went out early before we knew things, and you knee wh know what else? seemed to be right. his message is very simple. things now are worse, and hillary clinton is part of what made it worse. i asked the secretary that specifically yesterday, and she basically gave a soft answer of, well, look, the world we're working now, we have cooperation now we didn't used to have, we need more leadership, but not a
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straight rebuttal to the proposition that things seemed worse. isn't that the battleground? >> well, it might be, if you're going for a shoot from the hip foreign policy. i think the point is, yeah, he was right but what if he was wrong? do we really want the leader of the free world tweeting out their gut reactions when an issue of national crisis occurred? no, we don't. that's not how we want our leaders to respond. i think what she was saying is, this is complicated. if we're going to have a real conversation about it, my instinct hillary clinton will come out ahead in that conversation because she has more detail, more knowledge and more specific plans. him saying he's going to "fix it" might be comfortable in the moment. but when we get into a long campaign, debates, not incredibly comforting. >> hilary, mark, jeffrey we owe you one. >> that's all right.
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>> thanks for being here. >> there's time. >> absolutely. we'll have more of the exclusive interview with hillary clinton coming up. she wasn't just talking about donald trump. she has another battle on her hands with bernie sanders and talking about that as well. how does she deal with the opposition as well as the unification of her party, next. also much more on our breaking newsish the egyptian military finding debris from that plane that went down some 34 hours ago. we'll look where it turning up and how it can heb investigators figure out what went wrong at 37,000 feet.
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we want to give you the latest in the search for egyptair flight 804. the egyptian military finding wreckage and passenger belongings the passengers in the sea. special investigators arrived in cairo to help determine what brought this plane down. government officials tell cnn its early signs do point to it being a terror attack. search crewing searches for victims, debris and the flight's
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all-important recorders. bringing in a safety analyst and inspector, cnn counterterrorist director and cnn aviation correspondent and analyst is with us. let's look at the map giving context of where they're finding thing. this spot right here where the red dots are on the map, this is 180 miles north of alexandria, egypt, where they found personal belongings. david, what does this spot tell you? >> that at this point there is a lot of juair activity, keeping this in one spot in the ocean. so that is going to keep things together in this one spot. >> so, mary when they find personal belongings in the ocean, how does that help them figure out what happened to this plane? >> well, in many ways. first of all, the belongings and also any human remains may have
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traces of patterns, residue, from a fuel tank explosion, there will be characteristic pitting, depending how long things are in the water possible to get residue traces and then the other important part, which the world learned in following mh-370, where these items are will be very important for what they call float patterns. they have to trace back so they know where to look for those black boxes and hopefully pick u up the sounds of the pinger. this will help a lot in the investigation. >> richard when they find pieces of the wreckage as they are and personal effects of the passengers what then are they doing with them? >> well, your first goal, of course, retrieve anything, as mary says, for investigative purposes and then, of course, you have the very sad but most important task of recovering human remains. the bodies of the loved ones.
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and there you often will -- you will often get a difference of opinion. some people will want their loved ones to be returned to them for proper burials, either religious or otherwise. other people will say, no. this is where they came to rest with 447. everybody was given the opportunity if remains could be found to have them repatriated but many decided, no, that was their place of final resting, and that's where they should remain. i think in this particular case, i mean, 447, they'd been in the water for many years and a certain closure of process. i think in this case you're going to see a lot more recovery. i don't think it's going to be that difficult to find the fuse lodg fusela fuselage. the water is quite deep and it's contained, got there quite quickly. will gets assets under the water to listen for the pings. i'm prepared to be proven wrong, but i'm not expecting this to be
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a particularly onerous or difficult rov rinchts if we look at the map again, phil, we can see all of, whatever they find here, will be taken to cairo for investigation, because as we've discussed this morning, the egyptians are leading the investigation. so what does that mean in terms of they'll be the first people to be analyzing whatever they find on the plane's wreckage? >> if you're looking at this from an intelligence perspect e perspective, think of parallel lines. looking at a location and material from the flight. in the intelligence world a parallel universe going on, looking at the manifest. this is a people business, not a place or plane business. that is who did it? who was on the xblaen wplane? the people in the airport, for example, baggage handlers. and another piece of this. are those individuals who might have been involved in a plies like syria, libya, are they talking? the people in the fbi, national terrorism center, they're trying to figure out who was responsible while the aviation folks are dealing with the location, the flight recorder.
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two parallel investigations going on here. >> while they connect the dots what they know about the plane it made several trips before this ill-fated one. in paris a couple of times the 24 hours prior as well as air trayia and tunous, countries in africa. what does that tell you? > >> tells you it gone from a non-european country to another country. in that exchange it gets to de gaulle, a security sweep gets done. see what's in there. the security sweep is only as people that do it. you get in there, become complacent, the fact you've looked at many, many, many airplanes. one of our biggest vulnerabilities. account human being continually do the same thing over and over and over and do it well? one of the vulnerabilities they'll look at. was the inspected as it was spoded to do and if it did, that's something we need to work on and really makes us vulnerable. >> mary, you called it a
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game-changer, if it turns out this was a pom place ea bomb pl and missed. it there was something that that scan, we know the plane was scanned by security before it took off, but if something were missed, you've called it a game-changer, also? >> it is. because, i mean, a lot of people have talked about how good the security at charles de gaulle is, and i take a different view of that. they knew they had problem before doing security sweeps, found dozens of individuals suspected ties to terrorism or at least had been radicalized in some way or another. even materiels right at the airport. so despite the fact they were on high alert and scrubbing down the airport, if things got through at charles de gaulle and someone was able to put something on the plane or take it through the security checkpoint, despite the best effort something got through that is a very scary proposition. we can assume they can doing all they could do because of the heightened state of alert nap
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would give new greedens to what the u.s. said back in 2014. there were new kinds of bombs or explosives or methods developed that were hard to detect. that's very, very alarming. >> panel, stand by. we will call upon you for the rest of the program, and we will have much more ahead on our breaking news that debris has been found from egyptair flight 804, found in the mediterranean and remember, a broadcast legend. we'll be talking about "60 minutes" correspondent morley safer who has died. what a career. we'll share some of those memories. ♪ in new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. all across the state, the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation
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♪ we do have some breaking news to report. egypt's military now says it found wreckage from egyptair flight 804, passengers' belongings located 180 miles off egypt's northeastern coast. arrival in cairo to help determine what happened. terrorism is a prime concern. egyptair tweeting out condolences to passengers' loved
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ones. and deciding if abortion become as felony in the state of oregon. criminalizing doctors except those who are to save a mother's life. the governor has said whether she supports the measure. this law, pushed in south carolina, may raise constitutional questions and wind up in court. an important update pap second nigerian schoolgirl held since 2014 by boko haram has been rescued. the nigerian army saying she and close to 100 women and kids held hostage freed during a military operation that killed more than 135 boko haram fighters. it is unclear if she was among those missing since 2014. more sad news of a different variety. legendary cbs news news man morally safer is gone. he had been in poor health when
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cbs announced his retirement just last week. sager, of course, a fixture at cbs news. over 50 years. 46 of them on "60 minutes." the show the executive producer says his stories were practically works of art. safer's groundbreaking report g ing on vietnam certainly changed the way americans viewed that war. mor morley safer, 84 years old. >> his death came just after his retirement. last week, sad he was retiring, gotten so used to his lovely demeanor on the show. i guess he was in worse health than we knew. >> that's odd. more interesting with morley safer, one of those guys who was very anxious to nurture. you know? and why he would say, why? every story should be centered around why? why? why? and did it in a form that was
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really like art. the producer was right about that. >> a great description. break to breaking news we're covering this morning. the search for answers is intensifying as the first debris from flight 804 is located in the mediterranean. now begins the task of finding out what happened. we have all of the breaking details for you, next.
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good morning. we want to welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. you are watching "new day," and we begin with breaking
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developments in the crash of egyptair flight 804. the egyptian military confirming they have found wreckage and personal belongings in the mediterranean sea. this discovery coming more than 30 hours after the plane vanished from radar on its way from paris to cairo. >> and we still don't know why and what the families of the 66 onboard care about most. officials operating under a treery a bomb brought the plane down. no confirmation from a terror group, the question, where does this evidence lead? we have the scorer ktory covere as cnn can. we start in cairo with breaking details. >> reporter: are we still with -- a sign egyptair flight 804 has been found. an egyptian military spokesman says passenger belongings and part of the aircraft have been located north of the coastal
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city of alexandria. as the french foreign minister insists the paris airport from which the airbus 320 departed was completely secure. >> translator: the government strengthened all its measured following the january attacks. everything is being done to reinforce everywhere. >> reporter: u.s. government officials serving as analysts in the investigation are operating under the theory a bomb brought down the missing jet, but have yet to find any indications of a an explosion. >> i'm not aware of any sensors that the u.s. military has or deploys that picked anything up on this. >> reporter: the french foreign minister also cautions that terrorism is currently a suspicion, not based on any concrete evidence. >> translator: we need to give the max muppimum amount of information in order to get to the truth. we owe this to the families. >> reporter: the plane last contacting greek traffic controllers at 1:48 a.m., but not responding to repeated calls
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just 40 minutes later. and after another 2 minutes, completely dropping off the radar. egypt aviation pointing to this strange communications pattern says it seems more likely to have been a terrorist act. >> having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical. >> reporter: and greek officials say the plane swerved then plunged before apparently falling into the mediterranean. but u.s. officials say the swerving may just be the pieces of the plane in the sky picked up by the radar, supporting the theory there was some kind of explosion 37,000 feet in the air. >> the schedule of the aircraft was done on time. there's was no snags or anything reported. >> reporter: and just moments from here, egyptair officials have just visited with friends and family who had gathered here over the last 30 hours and what is a makeshift crisis and they
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are hoping for some good news about those people, those 66 people on egyptair flight 804. sadly, egyptair pass on condolences offering support and answers to questions and queries friend and family have and the president offering regret and condolences in a statement to relatives as well. >> so sad, sad, to imagine what they are experiencing. thank you for that. and the number of those helping in the search effort is growing in hopes of locating the plane's recorders. nic robertson live in greece with more. what's happening there, nic? >> reporter: greet authorities operating two military air force cargo c-130 aircraft and part of that sort of surveillance to try to find where the debris field is, how big the debris field is,
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direct some vessels underneath towards where the debris is being recovered. vo, th of course that is absolutely critic crit critical. what caused this plane to go down? signs of explosion, some force from inside the aircraft, ripping and peeling back the fuselage, that, of course, would be huge at this stage, early, early stage of the investigation. it would be a very important pointer. the greeks are in charge of that, surveillance aircraft out over the sea. the united states, orion p-3 air craft, british have a naval vessel in the area as well. greek authorities here on the next large island to this one has two helicopters on standby that can be deployed direct to help those actually lifting material from the water. they're on standby to get involved, and we understand the italians and the kip prcypriots
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also involved in the recovery here. the wind is becoming to pick up. it's going to get stronger through the day, rain through the night and conditions are relatively clear visibility at the moment but actually a quite swell closer to land, much tougher, deeper, bigger swell out to sea further where the recovery is going on. chris? >> obviously, a big concentration and effort in bringing home these victims as well. that's going to be a big part of the coordinated effort. different layers of this investigation. big questions now about airport security. who had access to this plane while it was on the ground in paris? there's also another factor. the jet made several trips in its final 24 hours including to some areas considered hot beds of terrorism. for that part, let's go to cnn's max foster live at charles de gaulle airport in paris. max? >> reporter: chris, the airplane sat on the tarmac here an hour
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and a half before it departed for cairo. previously to tunisia and there was a level of security clearance, a sweep of the aircraft, as it sat here before it departed. all of the passengers that had been on the plane came off and didn't go back on. so the working theory here is, while we try to find out what happened here, try to work out who had access to that aircraft whilst it was standing on the runway, and consider this, chris -- 86,000 people have security clearance to go air-side at this airport. a lot of people to go through. they're poring through video, going to the ground staff, wondering who had access on the ground which airline staff had access to the aircraft and also the passengers as well. so a huge, huge operation, and you've got to think here that it's not a terror investigation yet, because nothing's been recovered. that doesn't actually officially start until you find victims, and the assumption is made it's
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terror prp this could be ramped up to a whole new level. and also consider the people here, the security in this country, saying this is the safest airport in the world, simply because we've had these terror incidents in paris, and also in brussels, and every time it's happened, security levels here have been ramped up a level. even today, they're checking bags going into the terminal. the entrance ramped up again. people find it extraordinary any device could have got on to the plane. having said that french intelligence working with american and egyptian intelligence to try to get whatever information they can, if it does, indeed, turn out to be sabotage. >> max, thank you very much. a lot on the table this morning. let's discuss. miles o'brien, cnn aviation analyst and science correspondent for pbs news hour david souci. cnn safety analyst and a former faa safety inspector and paul crookshank, editor-in-chief of ctc sent natural. miles, starting with you.
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how do you prioritize the different layers of questions here in terms of priority? >> there are layers of access to the aircraft. the passengers. we know the drill, all go through to get on an airplane. the flight crew themselves. we have to trust the bus driver. right? but we have to screen them. then you have the back door of the airport. the people, the caterers and baggage handlers, all have-of-who have tremendous access to the aircraft. when you hear about charles de gaulle, 86,000 people with a clearance you realize the challenge. can all of those people go through the screening we get at the front door of the airport? should they? is that a practical thing? i think we should focus more on the security we don't see more than the so-called security theater. the front door of the airport. >> david, we just heard max fofrter say charles de gaulle airport is the safest in the world. we've 45eheard that since the ps and brussels attack. give us context. is the security think what we
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have, what we experience here in the u.s.? >> how do you measure safety ji that's the core question here. how do you measure safety? what's the safest place in the world? is it safest because they've done more things to improve safety or the safest because what they have is the safest in the world? if you're talking about the first, it's that they've done much more than any other airport, because they've been vulnerable, and had all of these issues go on. they've screened their 87,000 employees and laid off and fired about 12 or 13 they found things in their lockers. >> 85, actually. latest number. we heard 85 of them had some sort of tie to radicalization. >> they did. only a dozen or so of those were actually fired from their positions. the others because of french law remained in positions just access to the tarmac taken away. they're still at the airport. might have different jobs, might be doing different things. >> that's troubling. >> not allowed past that line. that has to be put in context as well, because what was it they found? maybe isis leaflets or something
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like that in their locker. does that mean they're terrorists? not necessarily but puts them suspect. you just can't change the law say you had a leaflet so you go jail. >> miles is making a good point. not just about the people. about the places and things. where they have access to and what they have access to. we remember, like a soda can or something used in one of these events. are all of these objective? and describing of motive of terror to this situation, are you comfortable with that at this point? where should we be in terms of our speculation? >> well, the french foreign minister this morning said there is no theory that has been privileged at this point in respect is no solid evidence pointing to terrorism right now. there's been some speck flatiul from egyptians and frankly american officials as were el. no solid evidence that may now come in the hours ahead, but
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very intriguingly, no credible claim of responsibility whatsoever from any terrorist group, and that includes isis. they've put all out kinds of statements on all sorts of other operations in syria and iraq but a deafening silence on this event that has taken place in the mediterranean, chris. that very interesting indeed, given the fact also that metro jet was bombed out of the sky by ice kniss the sinai peninsulpen took just five hours to put out a statement. from al qaeda, they've taken sometimes longer to put out statements. the al shabaab took 11 days to claim that attack on the somalia airliner over somalia back in february, but that was a failed attack, because the air craft managed to get back on the ground. one extra point here about charles de gaulle airport and european airports in general. the regulations are very strict in europe in terms of airport
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workers and their access to secure areas, sensitive, critical parts of the airport. they have to go through screening machines to get to those areas. you radios are stricter than in the united states where they rely much more on background checks. it would be a very big feat indeed overen for an airport worker to get a bomb on the airline. a huge accomplishment from terrorist point of view. it if you think it's terrorism looking at more likely at some point earlier in the plane's voyage, in the developing world, cairo, tunis, air trayous, to get that bomb on the plane, because security is not that advanced there. >> you and i were talking yesterday about whether or not's there should be concern that egypt is at the helm of this investigation, given sometimes their timeline for conclusion has been slower than certainly
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the u.s. would be, and their transparency. where are you now, 24 hours later, with whether or not they can do this job the way we expect? >> well, since we spoke, and we were talking about egyptair 990, we both covered in 1999. at that time very clear to everyone the ntsb, anybody who listened to the tapes, me flew the simulator, that the second officer dove that plane in a suicide mission. no question about it. >> yes. >> the egyptians, to this day, have not accepted that theory. however, yesterday after we talked in the context of a news conference, the egyptians said, tear sir at the top of our list. maybe there's a shift. >> that was heartening to hear. >> that was. well, i think it's been a long time, and there's been a lot of water that has gone over the dam here. maybe, just maybe, that they've moved on and are willing to look at these things in a more honest way. >> your eyebrows go up. >> a couple of things about that. one, many years ago and, yes, things have changed. a lot of things have changed.
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they have been adopting that, the fi.i.r., me plit little driven things. is it true? that is it terror because of the fact it came from paris? taking the shift of blame away from egypt and the puts it on paris. so that what's happening? i would expect next they're going to ask egypt, going to say, we need to have our own independent security team go to paris and to de gaulle and do our own security analysis and paris can't say no to that. why would they? >> and do an investigation like that, what is involved? >> what type of audit? >> does that help? sending another team. >> it's nothing wrong with doing that. again what it does, takes the shift off egypt, because now egypt is saying, it wasn't us. it had nothing to do with us. we're going to protect our tourism, we're going to blame it on paris. >> panel, thank you very much. great to get your expertise and have you here with were us on "new day." we'll get back to more details of the breaking news
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with the plane momentarily but have to talk about politics. hillary clinton says it is now a done deal. she will be the democratic nominee. that's her take. how does bernie sanders feel than? much more of chris' interview with the democratic front-runner, next. (man) ah i forgot to record that show. (woman) now we have to wait forever to see it. (jon bon jovi) with directv, you don't. ♪ you see, we've got the power to turn back time. ♪ ♪ that show you missed, let's just go back and find. ♪ ♪ and let's go back and choose spicy instead of mild. ♪ ♪ and maybe reconsider having that second child. ♪ ♪ see, that's the power to turn back time. ♪ (vo) get the ultimate all included bundle. call 1-800-directv.
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bernie sanders isn't buying it, but hillary clinton claims the race for the democratic nomination is over and she is a lock to win it. does that help the goal of party unity with sanders still winning primaries and vows to take the fight to the convention? certainly two sides on this. here's clinton's. >> so you get into the general election if you're the nominee for -- >> i will be the nominee for my party, chris. that is -- that is already done in effect. there is no way that i won't be. >> there is a senate from vermont who has a different take on that, says he's going to fight for the end. >> yeah, that's right. >> and there seems to be a change here, as donald trump is trying to galvanize his party, in the democratic party, seems to be going the other way. his supporters getting more
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aggressive feeling the system is rigged against the senator. we saw what happened in nevada. when you saw that did you believe that sanders responded the right way to that situation? >> i was very disturbed what went on there. >> by him or the supporters? >> well what we saw there. >> the supporters? >> what we saw there was disturbing. i have every confidence we will be unified. >> where does that come from. >> in part from my experience. i went all the way against the then senator obama won nine out of the last 12 contests. i won indiana, kentucky, vest virginivest -- west virginia and i know the intense feelings that arise towards supporters when you get to the end. but we both were following the same rules as senator sanders and are following the rules and
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i am confident just as i did with senator obama where i said, you know what? it was really close. much closer -- much closer than it is between me and senator sanders right now. >> vote wise. >> vote wise and delegate wise. i said, you know -- in fact, depends on how you evaluate, more popular vote and fewer delegates. the name of the game, how many delegates you have. right? so when i came out and withdrew and endorsed senator obama, about 40%, according to polls, about 40%, of my supporters said e in would never support him. so i worked really hard to make the case as i'm sure senator sanders will, that whatever differences we might have, they pale in comparison to the presumptive nominee of the republican party, name an issue you care about domestic or international, and clearly we
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are much closer, senator sanders supporters and mine, than either of us is with donald trump. >> why don't you reach out directly to senator sanders and do the work of reunification, of unification for the party, however you want to see it? i ask this because, senator sanders has said to me in the part and to many others, it's not my job to get my supporters to vote for hillary clinton. clinton has to make the case to these supporters, and given what you're seeing with increase in hostility and antagonism with the process on the democratic side, should you reach out to bernie sanders and say, let's start doing it the right way, let me start talking to supporters. have you done that? >> i've said many time what's i've just said to everyone, including his supporters, and i am absolutely committed to doing my part, more than my part, but senator sanders has to do his part. that's why the lesson of 2008, which was a hard, fought
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primary, as you remember, is so pertinent here. because i did my part. but so did senator obama. he made it clear he welcomed people who had supported me. he made it very clear -- we went to unity, new hampshire together, appeared together, spoke together, and made it absolutely obvious that i was supporting him. he was grateful for that support. i was reaching out to my supporters. he was telling his -- >> you nominated senator obama at the convention. >> i didid. >> bernie sanders is saying he'll fight all the way through the convention? >> he said the other day he will do everything possible to defeat donald trump. work seven days a week. i take him at his word. i think the threat that donald trump poses is so dramatic to our country, to our democracy, and our economy, that i certainly expect senator sanders to do what he said he would, and
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he thought, to your making the first move, and reaching out, to make that process happen now as opposed to months from now? >> well, we have -- we've had lots of conversations between people who know me well and support him -- >> but not directly? >> well, he knows exactly what i'm saying, hearing it all the time. i have said the same thing. i respect him. i understand the very passionate advocacy he feels for the issues he's been really pounding away at for years. >> you know what would bring you two together quickly? if bernie sanders become your vice president? what are the chances? >> i'm not getting into that. that's better down the road. >> make some news -- >> what will bring us together is donald trump. i think that's what's brings us together s. he on the list? >> i'm not going to answer that question. good try though, chris. >> a lot of good tries. you don't like that.
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nope. you don't like when you take a stap at it and it doesn't work. after chris' interview the sanders campaign put out a statement responding to all of clinton's comments. in the past three weeks voters in indiana, west virginia and oregon respectfully disagreed with secretary clinton. we expect voters in receipt maining eight contests also will disagree, and with almost every national and state poll showing senator sanders doing much better than secretary clinton against donald trump it is clear millions of americans have growing doubts about the clinton campaign. they're like, please. our obituary is quite premature, they think. >> a fundamental disconnect in logic here. you have a gallup pog, thll, th in-fighting is not a bad thing. >> some think it's the demise of the party to have this fighting. the fact people will get over it and believe they will get over ter is significant. >> how you fight winds up
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matters. different ideas, debate the ideas, together more than apart. this isn't that. this is him saying, no, no, no. i'm actually better. this would be a problem if it's her. that's a tougher weave at the end than it it's being suggested. so that is one part of the interview. please, feel free to weigh in on social media, about what you think about thi this @alisyncamerota, with a y. >> chris hacks into it. >> all responses come from me. tweet her. coming back to breaking news of the day. u.s. officials are working an initial theory saying it looks like a bomb brought down egyptair flight 804. well, why do they think that? what is the idea of how a bomb got put on the plane? are airport employees the vulnerability? we'll take you through it.
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mong the items located north of the egyptian coast. a technical agent from airbus are in cairo to narrow down what happened. of course, tear sir a primary concern and the disaster raising k questions about airport employees and their access. joining us to talk about this, president of new age security solutions and former director of security rafi rhan and cnn contributor michael weiss, woe kanger of "isis: inside the army of terror." and editor of "the daily beast." rafi, start with you, because you dealt with the specter of terrorism every day in your five-year tenure as security at tel aviv's airport. why do you think this was an inside job? >> because i think that the, since 9/11, we have committed ourselves to deal with the
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vulnerabilities that derive from passengers, and we more or less limited ourselves from doing so. i assumed that the overwhelming effect of 9/11. but we have neglected a wide range of other vulnerabilities. one of which is the question of who do we allow into the restricted area of the airport? and how do we control movement of people and goods in and out of the airport? >> yes, and rafi -- that is a big concern and i want to stick with you one second, because we have learned very staggering numbers about that kind of access. 86,000 people have these red badges that allow them more access than other people, and we now know 85 of them were pulled after the paris and brussels terror attacks because of some sort of tie to radicalization. so what do you make of those numbers? >> well, i'm quite concerned
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that 85 had to be pulled out, because they shouldn't have been there to start with. and that is the issue. if 85 people that are not supposed to be there because of security concerns have managed to get red passes that allowed them access to critical parts of the airport, as they are being called in europe, there is a -- it is a very serious vulnerability. >> okay, michael. this is the challenge of our time. >> uh-huh. >> we now know because of these terrible attacks how many people are radicalized, so it would stand to reason they even have somehow managed to sneak into airport employees? >> say this is isis. i've been banging on several weeks there's a new phase this organization is undergoing. it's the europeanization of isis' security structures, its intelligence operations, its foreign operations, the head in isis is a french national born in paris.
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he used to run or own some athletic clubs or gyms. he went over to syria with his wife are and two kids. all of them are french. the wife is pregnant with a third child. this guy speaks fluent french, educated in france. understands the city of paris, understands the west intimately and a former itemsies defector told me knows the strengths and weaknesses of our society. so this is someone who will have had access to what i'm calling the frankofone network. span throughout france and belgium, responsible for the paris and brussels attacks and the numbers of people, alisyn, not just about being active 0 willing to isis but a fellow traveler, it's not the hardest thing in the world find people working at an international airport who may have the islam studiology and not like what's
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happening in the region, turn a blind eye, let somebody in or place a device in the cargo hold or somewhere aboard a plane. >> michael, quickly, yet no claim of responsibility. >> very strange. i mean, look, it is the case al qaeda used to wage operations both military and tear risk and wait days if not weeks to claim credit, because they had to do the postmortem or it, lack of a better word. was this in fact our guys? a lot of autonomy is given to foreign cells but isis claims things for things they don't do. five hours after metrojet, yep, that was us. now over a day, and critics. >> rafi, when you hear michael talk about the challenges now of trying to combat radicalization it is so ubiquitous throughout europe what is the answer? >> well, the answer is, first of all, to adopt a much more comprehensive approach to airport security, analyze the wide spectrum of
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vulnerabilities, rather than limit the angle to passengers as we did before. and use our available resources in a proportional way that will allow us better control over what is going on at the airport. it is possible. >> that is a comforting note end on, raufi. thank you both. we'll talk mob about this throughout the program. chris? a lot of talk whether terror was involved in bringing down egyptair and donald trump was ahead of all of it. he jumped to a conclusion early on, was it too early? we're going to ask former new jersey governor kristine todd whtodd -- kristine todd whitman and this sunday, anthony bourdain is taking us on trip to georgia. not the state, the country, and reuniting with an old friend there. here's a little look for you this friday. >> so we're eating at what's -- >> traditionally, you know,
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there is no shortage of theories about what happened to egyptair flight 804. you don't have the to tell that
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to donald trump, though. he is very certainly about what happened. he actually fired off a tweet hours after the plane vanished. looks like another terrorist attack. airplane departed from paris. when will we get tough, smart and vigilant? this morning he's continuing to fire off tweets. look where the world is today. a total mess, and isis is still running around wild. i can fix it fast. hillary has no chance. let's discuss the implications of this on the election with former new jersey governor kristine todd whitman. the criticism, governor, good to have you with us, he went out too early, but he was right. where everybody is right now, saying it's terrorism, and he's also right that this does reinforce a fear that the world is unstable and america is weak in that instability. your take? >> well, he'll certainly play to that but frankly i think going out as quickly as he did reveals a kind of lack of experience, because even when you're getting
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firsthand reports from people on a scene of any major incident, you know, you learn very fast, that the first few one of those are going to contain inaccuracies and if you're somebody like a president of the united states, want to be careful about what you say. it's great and i think he may be right on this one. this is certainly where people are leerning at this point, but we don't know absolutely, but he's decided it's isis. you don't know it's isis. you have a lot of other groups out there that could potentially be behind this. could he go after -- the minute you say something like that you put pressure on yourself. >> talking about isis in general. not here to defend trump, just to call it the way it is. if it turns out to be terrorism, why is this a criticism of him? why isn't it a nod to him having a good gut a good instinct and is that an asset in a leader? >> well, it is and it isn't. yes, he may be absolutely right. i think a lot of people thought. the a320 is a workhorse, a solid airplane. hard to imagine anything blowing
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up spontaneously in it without a device that encourages that. it's just not going to break apart. it's a logical conclusion of which to come. all i'm saying, you have to be a little careful how fast you go out with conclusions only because the firsthand information you get is going to contain inaccuracies. if you base policy on what you're saying you need all the facts. that's all. >> hillary clinton heard the same tweet that i just read to you. had the same reaction. put it this way -- >> i know how hard this job is, and i know that we need steadiness as well as strength and smarts in it, and i have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the united states. >> now, the headline coming out of the interview or one of them is, oh, clinton says donald trump is not qualified. but he's going to reverse that argument, and i want your take on it. he's going to say, look at the state of the world today. everything seems to be worse,
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since the obama administration started enacting a more cooperative foreign policy. hillary clinton was there for that. she holds blame for that, and that's why trump should be president. your take? >> well, i don't think that means that trump should be president, because one mpt problems you have, you do need a steadiness at the helm and he refuses to give us that. he wants to keep everybody guessing where we are. even friends, our allies, says he and cameron probably won't get on that well. c cameron said, heaven forbid, something not so nice about the trump statements. it's a mixed bag. i don't think higry has all the answers but it is the president that calls the shot and you as a member of cabinet have to carry out what the president tells you to do. not defending this administration in the way it's handled things but we do need our allies. we do need our traditional allies. i agree you want to talk to
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people on the other side, you need some form, whether back channel or not, but you don't want to destable the world, saying we're not going to tell you where we are. that gives those opposed to us, an open opportunity. we got to act first. if ke don't, they'll be after us. probably to me said as much as anything about donald trump's campaign, tweeted if he didn't win this who thing would have ban waste of time and moneyyou want to say really? wasting your time having you come to -- you want to be president of the united states of america. leader of the free world. it's not some game that you're playing. we didn't ask you to do this, you stepped up and spending time, money and spending our time and focus, and you say it could all be a waste of time if you don't get it? that's really dismissing the office. if you don't really care about the office but just about the office are and winning. >> governor of new jersey, give
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us an insight what's going on with new jersey and with governor chris christie and donald trump? what do you makes think of relationship? joking being at a fund-raiser. play footage. there yesterday and donald trump was talking about trade, talking about nabisco and said i'm not eating anymore oreos, joked about it, looked at chris christie and said no more oreos for either of us. people dealing with it an an awkward moment, but who cares about that. what do you make of the relationship between donald trump and chris christie? >> donald trump trusts chris christie. he was the first major person to come out support donald trump and been very loyal. stayed with him. he has defended him, and donald trump appreciates that as much as anyone, and so he is rewarding him. helping him defray his debt from presidential running, happening ought many time. heading him head of transition,
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you could say that's a good move and chris could have a position in this depending on what he wants. symbiotic relationship in a way. >> and making reasonable statements in an election where very little seems to make sense sometimes, christine todd whitman. thank you. >> that approach will never work. meanwhile, in richmond, virginia, nearly 40% of the children there live in extreme poverty, if you can believe it. this week cnn hero has become an unlikely father figure teaching kids in richmond's public housing about mountain bike racing. >> what a lot of people can't see is that our kids have the equivalent of ten suitcases each of baggage that they are carrying on that bike. >> these kids can tell me to piss off at any time.
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direction, and nothing confirmed. nobody has taken responsibility. that's a little surprising. >> and that is unusual. so what do you make of that? >> i don't know. maybe they're not as organized in the terrorist world as we think they are. or they have something else coming, and -- i don't know. it's really hard to say. but i think it's still very high probability that it is terrorists, and a pretty high probability that it is an inside job in the sense that something got put in on the ground, and it could have been soft drink size, it doesn't have to be big, if it's put in the right place. so to search for trying to find out what you're line employees, maintenance workers and so forth might be from the midwest, which is what the french are going through right now, maybe something that we're going to have to do something like that here in this country. >> let's talk about that,
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because we just had raffie ron on. he said exactly the same thing you did, which is he believes that if this was terrorism, it was an inside job, meaning not a passenger, an airport worker. and we have heard that charles de gaulle airport, when they went through this rigorous screening after the terror attacks in brussels and paris, they found 85 people who were -- had special access, who had some evidence of having become radicalized somehow and they had to pull their access. help us understand what that would be like in the u.s. do you think that we are vulnerable here as well? >> i think, yes, we are. the proportion of people who have been radicalized in this country is considerably smaller than in france. they're a lot closer to syria and lebanon, where everything is coming apart. but the company that does the prime contracting for
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maintenance and janitorial services and the like for airports in the u.s., one of the companies, has been firing american companies that do this kind of work, and put anything more and more companies that use immigrant labor in the sense of people who have been fleeing the events and the wars of the middle east. and there is a reasonably good chance that some of them have affiliations to terrorists groups, hopefully not many, but we've got to get into this in detail and look at it. because we're -- we don't have anything else that we can do that might be able to stall something. >> you think that's a real vulnerability. why aren't we looking at that more closely? >> well, the whole focus seems to have been from avoiding terrorist attacks on tsa, and let's add more tsa people
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standing around as we walk through the magnetic detectors. that strikes me as perhaps not front and center of the things one needs to do. the hard thing about many aspects of law enforcement and intelligence is you simply have to get into people's backgrounds, and understand why they might be the radical ones, and the process for doing this, people don't like, sometimes it is done wrong and it would effect, you know, people's privacy. this is a tough, tough thing to do right. >> donald trump came out just a short time after the plane dropped off of radar and said basically that it was terrorism. does that worry you that someone so high profile would make a proclamation before there is solid information? >> i think he was reasonably careful the way he said it. he said it looks like terrorism. and that is probably fine. i think one does want to be careful, just as you suggested,
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incoming to a conclusion early, as particularly a major public official, he is not a public official yet, but he is working to be, and so i think one needs to be cautious certainly as a president in coming to a conclusion. but i think he was within the bounds of what is quite reasonable by just saying it looks like terrorism. >> mr. woolsey, they get the cia security briefings, do you have any concern that if that were to be donald trump, given his pentant for twitter and making bold proclamations that that information might get out? >> i think he would listen carefully to being briefed on why it's important not to do anything that could disclose
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intelligence sources or methods. i don't have any reason to believe that he would not be careful about that. but you're right, it is very important that he is careful about that, and it is important that hillary clinton is careful about it too. >> absolutely. james woolsey, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. first debris found from egyptair found. let's get to it. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." we have breaking developments in the egyptair flight 804 disaster, confirming they have found wreckage and passengers belongin belongings, 180 miles off the coast of egypt. >> they're hoping the debris can answer the question of what sent the plane falling from the sky. no claim of responsibility so far. but u.s. officials are operating under the theory that a bomb was used. we have this story covered the way only cnn can.
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let's begin with becky anderson, live at cairo international airport. becky. >> reporter: more detail we are learning this hour about exactly what has been found in that search, and what was a rescue operation now. clearly moving into what will be a search and recovery phase. a body part and an aircraft seat is what the greek defense ministry's spokesman has told cnn that they have been told by egyptian authorities. those egyptian authorities leading the search and rescue operation, in coordination with the greeks, with the brits, french, italians. this is what we know at this point. a sign egyptair flight 804 has been found, egyptian military spokesman says passenger
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belongings and part of the aircraft have been located north of the coastal city of alexandria. as the french foreign minister insists the paris airport from which the airbus departed was completely secure. >> translator: the government strengthened all the measures f following the january attacks. everything is being reenforced. >> serving as analysts in the investigation, operating under the theory that a bomb brought down the missing jet. but they have yet to find any indications of an explosion. >> i'm not aware of any sensors that the u.s. military has or deploys that picked anything up on this. >> the french foreign minister also cautioning that it is a suspicion not based on any concrete evidence. >> we need to give the maximum amount of information in order to give the truth. we owe this to the families. >> reporter: the plane last contacting greek traffic
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controllers at 1:48 a.m., but not stoppeding to repeated calls just 40 minutes later. after another two minutes, completely dropping off the radar. egypt aviation pointing to this strange communication pattern, says it seems more likely to have been a terrorist act. >> having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical. >> and greek officials say the plane swerved then plunged before apparently falling into the mediterranean. but u.s. officials say the swerving may just be the pieces of the plane in the sky, picked up by the radar. supporting the theory there was some kind of explosion, 37,000 feet in the air. >> the aircraft was done on time, there was no snags or anything that was reported. >> reporter: so it does seem we are beginning to learn more detail on what happened, the fact that this plane that disappeared from the radar in
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the middle of the night on route from charles de gaulle airport to cairo has come out of the sky, and has hit the mediterranean. what we don't, of course, still know, is why that happened. condolences and messages of regret coming in to the friends and family. many of whom gathered here at what was a makeshift crisis center, set up by egyptair over the last 35 hours or so. the president of egypt offering his condolences to the friends and families of the 66 people on board the french baambassador w meeting up with some french people who riefarrived. whatever glimmer of hope the friends and families, relatives of those who were aboard the flight had, now unfortunately being extinguished. >> that's right, becky. thank you for all of that
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reporting. well, several countries are helping in the search effort for more debris and victims, including greece. that's where we find cnn international diplomatic editor, nic robertson with more. nick. >> reporter: hi, alisyn. the latest from the ministry of defense in greece, they have offered their military air base on this island, crete here, to any and all allies that want to assist in the recovery effort and debris search out in the mediterranean. this a large military air base they have here. they're making it available. they're right now running two c 130 transport aircraft over flying the area out there in the mediterranean, about 100 miles or so away from this island. they're over flying, looking for the debrees. you have the british with a naval basis based in cypress, not too far from here. the united states has a p-3, surveillance aircraft helping in the search. the greeks also have a
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surveillance aircraft in the skies. the greeks as well have two helicopters on stand by. the next large island along from this one, they're on stand by waiting to get involved in the recovery effort, and italy and sipe preside cypress too. the seas, you can hear them slapping up against the shore. the waves are getting bigger, the clouds are coming in. there is a small storm front coming. the conditions for the search effort are going to worsen here through the afternoon. notrab not terrible, but not as good as this morning. >> thank you for that. we're talking the debris, that includes not just the plane, but the remains of passengers as well. so important to the families, but also, key in determining whether a bomb brought down the plane or not. also in question, airport security, questions about who
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had access, and not just in france, but also these other stops in middle east and africa. so let's get into that part of the story with max foster. he is live at charles de gaulle airport in paris. what do we know? >> reporter: well, you know, chris, this plane had gone to other places before it arrived here at charles de gaulle airport, but there was a security check on the plane here before any passengers got on. all those passengers that were on the plane got off and none of them got back on. so they're assuming if there was any sort of device, then it could have been put on here and the other theory around that as well is the isis on board an aircraft, the more likely it is to be discovered. there is no terror investigation yet. you can't fully launch one until the victims have been found and there is confirmation from the egyptianss that this was a terror attack. having said that, with no official announcements, our sources are telling us they're going through a verification procedures, which is clearly a
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check of the information that they have. we know from washington that the french intelligence agencies are talking with american intelligence agencies and egyptian intelligence agencies, so they're cross-checking all of the facts here, and particularly, who had access to the aircraft while it spent an hour and a half on the tarmac here. consider this, chris, 86,000 workers here at this airport have security clearance to go air side here. the same consideration, though, that really needs to be given to the fact this is a highly secure airport. one of the most secure in the world when you consider after a spate of european attacks, the levels of security have been ramped up and up here. i just want to finish with one final word. that's on the fact that 85 people, since january last year, have had their clearance taken away because there was concerns about them being radicalized, chris. >> i'll take it, max.
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you've given us a lot of material to analyze. thank you for that reporting. we want to bring in our panel, miles o'brien, david soucie, safety analysis and former faa safety inspector, paul cruickshank and editor in chief of ctc sentinel, and richard quest. thanks for being here. i want to start with something that the former cia director, james woolsey said on the air. he said he believes there is a vulnerability in the security of u.s. airports, because there are big contractors that provide janitorial and other support services that have begun firing american workers, and hiring subcontractors who hire foreign workers from the mid east. he believers they're not being vetted enough, and this a vulnerability. david soucie, do you know anything about this? >> within the last six months, i renewed my airport certification for security, within that, that
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was identified as the number one security vulnerability that we have in the united states, is as you refer to it as the back door. the back door are those employees. there is two levels of screening. screening that happens before you're hired. the background checks, those are those kiercnds of levels. today, as you go into any airport in the united states, the money hasn't been allocated from congress or anyone else to come up with the money necessary to do the screening. it is very expensive. it doesn't always come down to money when it comes to safety. >> that's what we keep hearing about the tsa, coming through the airports yesterday, the lines were heavy, and i was asking questions to the workers there, you know, what do you think it is. it was all about resources, resources. not machines, but human resources. this isn't about it being new, miles, this is about the evolution of the problem and whether or not it has been dealt with. i felt like we've dealt with this in iterations over the years. >> it is amazing how we forget, isn't it. after 9/11, the tsa was created out of this very concern that we
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were subcontracting our safety to people we didn't know. we didn't have a tsa before 9/11. the idea was to professionalize and higher caliber doing their job better. we're heading right back down the direction, bottom line, all about money. are we really going to trade our safety for a few bucks? that's what we're doing. >> paul, we've heard two of our guests, james woolsey, as well as the tel aviv airport that they believe, it will turn out, it is connected to terrorism, and that in fact, it was an inside job, meaning not a passenger, but one of these airport workers who we've been talking about. what have you learned, paul? >> we just don't know that yet. there is no solid evidence yet pointing to terrorism. they haven't privileged terrorism as the cause of this. it is possible that it is something else mechanical, catastrophic failure, or some other cause for this terrible
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tragedy. but you're right. there has been a concern about the insider threats, a concern that we've seen in europe, max foster talking about the 85 employees at charles de gaulle airport to have their security credentials revoked, since the charlie hebdo attacks. but even bigger concern in the developing world, and it is notable that this plane was in t uni es, and great concerns that parts of the developing world have lagged behind in terms of airport security having the latest generations of machines, best training, and rigorous security protocols in place to protect against the insider threat and we've seen a couple of attacks in africa an the middle east, in recent months, where the insider threat has led to bombs getting on planes. notably in october last year, over the sinai peninsula, the isis affiliates in that area
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managed to get a bomb on to a russian metrojet, blew it out of the sky. in february of this year, the al qaeda affiliate, al shabaab, managed to get a sophisticated laptop device on to a plane. they recruited two airport worker fos are that attack and put it on an x-ray belt, got it through that, perhaps because they worked it he airport, they weren't given as much scrutiny, got it on the plane, fortunately it did not take out the aircraft, it managed to land a few minutes later. but not too far away from somalia, another attempt to blow a plane up with a sophisticated laptop bomb just a few weeks later. those are notable data points. >> whether he ever it comes to causation, a chain is only as weak as its weakist link. the more places this plane was, the more chances of
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vulnerability. richard what, would you tell people to focus? >> at the moment, we don't know where or what caused this. so to some extent, you're still scrambling around in the dark. but chris, because of the seriousness of the security question, and as your guests have already made absolutely clear, this deep worry about the weakest link in the airports, clearly, both in paris, tunies, that's where the focus has to be. we can't know about the mechanical side until we find information from the black boxes. we can go in circles on that. the focus of the attention at the moment until we get evidence that tells us it is not security related, when you have the former cia director, and you have the head of security, and people like paul cruickshank and others, all of whom guiding in
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in one direction or another, you are left with very little alternative to say that security and the terrorist option has to be the number one option on the table. >> gentlemen, thank you for your expertise. thanks so much for being with us as we try to work our way through all of the various theories. >> obviously these concepts of terrorism, they are frightening when they happen abroad and they always resonate back here at home. it has been a big issue in the election. he is approxima . especially for donald trump. one of his repeated promises is to deal with threats to the country with big moves, one of them is to build that wall along the mexican border. angered many people, including the man on your screen. former mexican president, vicente fox. has he had a change of heart about donald trump. he joins us next on "new day." recently, a 1954 mercedes-benz grand prix
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pay for the wall. >> thank you for the invitation. i'm not fact for that wall, huh? >> you had a little smile on your face when you were watching this clip, but you got very angry, very quickly. why? >> no, i guess the guy that has a very short, short fuse, it's him. just look at his reaction yesterday about this horrible plane crash or bomb or whatever it was. first message should be of solidarity to the families of the people that was in that plane. that's where you start, always. you don't go to war with everybody. you don't and hate everybody. you don't see everybody as an enemy. we're not enemies of this nation. the whole world is working to working together to build our common home for all of us. this is what compassion and
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leaders work about. >> when people are angry and frustrated, and anxious, and all of that applies in the united states right now, they can often tire of mild responses. >> yes. >> and one of the things that has resonated for trump is strength. he cuts through it. this is terror. i said it before anybody else and i was right. it makes us look weak. we have to be strong. that's why we have to deal with isis a certain way, and that's why we have to deal with mexico a certain way. so far, it is working for him. do you understand why? >> i understand why, because there is fear in this nation, and there is fear that is real. it happened in september 11th. but that's not the world. the world is much more than that. not everybody is enemy of this nation. so what he is creating a phantom, and now he says i'm going to protect you from that phantom. there is problems in the world.
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there is violence in some parts of the world. there is limited in a small violence in mexico. you can walk on the streets at any time of the day. so it is not everybody an enemy. and those guys seem to be looking foreign m enemies under stone and telling u.s. citizen, watch out, i need to build walls. i need to protect you. who he is to protect this great nation. i'm part of this nation. half of this person has -- i love this nation. we love it around the world. we want to build together the common home that we share in this world. 8 billion people. >> what bothered you so much? you've heard plenty of isolationist talk when it comes to mexico. there has been waves of concern about how to deal with illegal immigration for generations here. why did you get so angry at
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trump's recommendation? >> because i was offended, first, as a mexican. as mexicans, we're offended. the bush family was offended. the pope was owe feffended. the evangelicals have been offended. you must love thy neighbor. we're working together to be successful the number one region of the world, north america. >> he says sounds good, but not true. mexico sends us their worst. they push criminals and drug dealers and drugs across the border. they fill up the -- >> short answer, short answer. number one, he claims an tells the american workers they're losing their jobs to mexico. they're losing their jobs because he is importing, ties, underwear shirts that he wares and that he puts his brand name on it. so he is just making money. he is cheating american people. so i say wake up. wake up.
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please, american citizens. i am in a way an american citizen. i love this nation. we in latin america, we learn the hard way to deal with dictators, to deal with these leaders to deal with populous and demagoguery, so we identify the chavez, morales, so we know, this is why a word of caution. wake up, america. please analyze. i'm not saying what you should do. but reflect what you're being towed. >> your tone seemed to change a little bit after your initial outrage at what he said. i'm wondering what that meant to you. you seemed to invite him. come down, let me show you mexico. he interpreted it as you see fox, he is coming around. he knows i'm the man. he should treat me with respect. is that what that was? >> it was the reaction to being
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offended. being offended should take you to forgiveness. and asking for forgiveness. but in that case, i went to say my truth. now he invited me for lunch. he says he is send me a message. come, i invite you for lunch in new york. yes, i would come, if first you apologize to mexico, to mexicans, to mexican people. and number two, you apologize to u.s. workers, because you're not telling them the truth. >> sounds like you don't want to have lunch with donald trump. >> no. >> president fox. >> he controls media here, you know. you know fox news is 24 hours, giving him the push. in mexico, we used to say telavista makes president, in this case, fox news is trying to make a president. that's not the way to go.
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we should be speaking about the challenges we have. we should have a democracy very happy campaigns, there should be music, there should be reasonable messages. democracy is a feast, and here, it seems to be war. a call for war. democracy is not that. freedom is not that. the leadership of this nation is at risk in front of the whole world. i work with all the former presidents, former prime ministers, and we're all astonished. we say it is a nightmare. this cannot be the voice of that great nation. the nation that has led the world. the nation that works intensely for peace and now he is blaming the government, past government, former government that they did not work for peace enough. yeah, we have problems. we have isis, and this, but we must unite together to get rid of them. this is not the way to go. >> so far, the primary in that party, the gop, though, is
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we have been following breaking news this morning in the egyptair flight 804 disaster. the egyptian military has found debris, including human remains, at an airplane seat. the european space agency now reporting a possible oil slick in the area where the plane is believed to have disappeared. french investigators are helping to determine whether a bomb brought down the plane and search crews are still looking for the data recorders and the fuselage deep under water. here to take us through all of the search and what's pop is tim taylor, sea operations and sub
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megs specialist and ceo of tiburian sub sea. let's look at the map. this is the area right here, 180 miles north of alexandria egypt, and this is where they believe the plane went down. can you tell us what the conditions will be like for searching in this area of the mediterranean? >> well, there is not a big heavy current like a big ocean, but there are driven by winds and coastal currents that run the counterclockwise area. so it is going to be local weather conditions. >> how deep is the area? >> this air where is one of the deepest part of the mediterranean, averages about 2,500 meters, 10,000 feet deep, up to 6,000 feet. >> let's talk about that. the challenges of trying to find something in 10,000 feet of water. >> okay. >> where do you even begin? >> first they need to locate the wreckage and they're going to use several different pieces of equipment to do it.
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the pinger is your first. >> the black boxes ee meet a sound, we call it the pinger. they send in a listening device and we have a graphic of what this looks like. here it is. so this -- is that it in. >> this is the rov. it is a tool that once they found the wreckage on the bottom, and identify it, they'll send that down to actually help either bring pieces up, recover loved ones, or film with lights, and actually get right up close to the wreckage and deal with it. >> before they send in the rov, they have to, here, where the black boxes are, so in 10,000 feet of water, can a device hear the pinger through that. >> that's what it is designed for. it in that depth of water, you have to get it receiver, it is kind of a big ears listening for it. you have to lower it down, water is very dense, has lots of
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different layers. sounds can ricochet. you have to lower things down to it. that's your first tool to zero in on an area. once you find the area, you're going to then send down acous c acoustical -- >> i believe we have an illustration of that. so what does that do? >> it's a rapidly deployable system that they can throw on a boat, get out there and start looking in the area that they find, narrow it down with the pinger and takes a big survey map of the area and everything, every geological structure, mountains under water, all the topographical areas, and take even closer pictures of the wreckage. now you have map of what you need to do in either reconstruct the accident or recover with your other tools, which are your rovs.
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>> let's talk about the recovery. if they find the fuselage, if it is at the bottom of the ocean, how do they get it out? >> well, they may not recover everything. they may recover everything that they need to piece it back together. the black boxes are key. recovery remains first, but the black boxes are priority. >> how do they get them out? >> once they map the area and find it, they'll send a robot with a pilot on board the boat and it has arms and can cut and will actually find and excavate, pick it up, put it in a tray and bring it to the top. it is not easy. it is deep water, but quite doable. >> it's great get your expertise. you do this everyday, not for plane crashes, but all sorts of things. it's amazing we have the technology to get this done. thanks so much. we'll have much more coming up, also next, harsh attacks on hillary clinton. what is her game plan for
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fighting back. we have chris's one-on-one with hillary clinton, next.
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donald trump and hillary clinton square off in the general election. i sat down with the former secretary of state, and asked how she plans to handle the incoming fire. here is what she said. >> if you are the nominee and i know you have full confidence you will be, you know where donald trump is going. >> uh-huh. >> he has started early and he has adopted the go ugly early mentality. heavily personal about you and your husband. your response has been i'm not going there. >> right. >> i'm going to stay above it. >> right. >> the risk is that's what jeb bush said. that's what others said. and the stink wound up sticking to them. are you concerned that by ignoring the attacks they become more powerful. >> no, i'm not. people can judge his campaign for what it is. i'm going to run my campaign. i'm not so much running against him, as i am running for the kind of future that i think
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america deserves to have and i believe i'm the best candidate to deliver. that's why i talk about what i will do economically, what i will do on education, on health care, how we're going to bring the country together. of a lot of experience working with republicans, i did it as first lady, senator, secretary of state. i'm very confident that we're going to layout my record of accomplishments, my ideas, my vision for the future, he can say whatever he wants to say. but i think in every election, people want to know, what are you going to do tomorrow. what's the future going to look like if i entrust you with this most solemn responsibility. and that's exactly the kind of campaign i am running, and i intend to keep running. >> but his way is working for him. he took out an entire field. he keeps winning. he has gotten more votes than any republican. >> and i have 2 more than he has. look, he took out a field that couldn't really criticize him on
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issues, because they fundamentally agreed with him. they don't want to raise the minimum wage either. they want to criminal lies abortion. so when he would say these things more dramatically than his counterparts were saying, they were stymied, and then when it got to the personal piece of it, they just tried to respond tit-for-tat. if you pick a fight with, you know, a bully, you know, you're going to be pulled down to their levels. >> at some point, you have to stand up to a bully as well. >> i think that's exactly what i am doing, what this campaign will be doing. it is not so much what he says about me. i'm used to it. i have very thick skin. it is what he says about othpeo. all kinds of women, his offensive comments about immigrants, his mocking someone with a disability. the way he talks about muslims. how, really, un-mored he is when
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he talks about foreign policy. so i'm going after him. i'm going after him exactly on those issues and statements that are divisive and dangerous. >> do you ever feel compelled to defend your honor, the honor of your husband? >> no. >> with statements that he is making that go to the core of the relationship? >> no, not at all. i'm -- i know that that's exactly what he is fishing for, and you know, i'm not going to be responding. >> so as you head forward in this, where do you believe the path forward is from here? what do you think happens within the democratic party going forward? because it does seem to be somewhat of an unknown right now. not the math about the nomination. that's the easy part. >> it is. >> where does the party wind up, and how. >> right. >> and then what do you bring against donald trump, because you know what he is bringing against you? >> well, i think that we are going to come together.
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we will unify. that doesn't mean we won't have some vigorous discussion and debate about issues, about the platform, about all of the process of a convention. i welcome that. i think that's healthy. i think bringing people into the party, giving them a voice at the end is going to help us in the fall. i think as i said, i will certainly do my part and more to reach out and bring in senator sanders supporters, and i have every reason to expect he'll do the same. i think we'll have a great convention in philadelphia. and then we will go out and carry on the campaign against donald trump. and the republicans and i really believe that we're going to have a strong compelling case to make about the choice that the american people will be facing. and i feel very optimistic about how the election will come out,
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and i also feel optimistic about the country. i mean, most of what trump says is pretty negative about america. it's pretty much fear mongerring, if we show leadership, if we bring people together, i think the three big tests any of us have to meet who is running for president, can you produce positive results in people's lives. i have a track record of doing that. can you protect america? can you be commander in chief? can you lead the world towards safety and prosperity. can you unify our country. i think on all three of those, i'm able to go to the american public and say i can meet that test. and i believe on all three of those, donald trump cannot. >> okay, so we've just heard the case that hillary clinton is making. do top republicans think that he is qualified to be commander in chief. we'll ask ari fleischer when he
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he is firing back, as are others in his party. joining us now, former white house press secretary and consultant, ari fleischer. >> good morning, i'm not a republican consultant. >> oh. >> i do no work in politics, other than i used to be in it. >> you look so happy about that. >> we can talk to you about republican politics. >> yes, you can. >> donald trump is not qualified to be president, that's what hillary clinton says. agree, disagree and why? >> i disagree, and typical political thing you say about somebody when you're running against them. bernie sanders says it about hillary. it's meaningless. the voters will decide who is qualified. they both are by virtue of winning their nominations. >> one of the things she has said about him and many of his critics is he doesn't give specifics of his plan of he makes these grandiose statements and plans and doesn't ever say how he'll achieve them. he says that that's because he likes the element of surprise. listen to what he gist said on another morning show this
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morning. >> i met with many, many people, and i have definite ideas. i would rather not tell what those ideas are. brian, i'm so tired of watching these politicians say exactly what they're going to do with isis, and in the meantime, they laugh and go out and prepare for it. you have to hit people with a little surprise. >> is that going to pass muster with voters if you don't say how you're going to beat them. >> it is a donald trump weakness. he has to offer more specifics about what his policies are. people will be rivoted to listen to it. a commander in chief to make the enemy worry what, america going to do, we don't know. >> so when tells people i am going to beat isis, it will be quick. >> trump is taking a gamble. he has a bit inconsistent tense on this. >> look, you ran an operation, you can't not tell the military
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what you think we should do. you can't not tell politicians what you're going to do. at some point, you're going to tell the american people. not from an operational security standpoint, but you have to sell the people on your mandate, and you had to do that in the white house. >> that's what i'm saying, it is an inconsistency, we shouldn't have gone into libya, syria, but i'm going to destroy isis. he doesn't want to go any where, but we're going to destry isis. so it is a bit of inconsistencies. >> things people want to hear. >> the point donald trump would make on this, he doesn't want isis to have any guess what he'll do. he wants them to fear him. in that, he is trying to channel a little bit of ronald reagan. the day ronald reagan was inaugurated, because they feared what he might do. trump is trying to capture that. i'm not saying he is a ronald reagan, but that's what is motivating him. >> what did you think about his
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tweets that it was terrorism? >> and hillary said hours later that it paired to be it terrorism. i went through this on veteran's day, one month after the war in afghanistan began. it crashed out of jfk, all the bridges and manhattan, it took us about five hours it wasn't terrorism, it was mechanical. we had the plane right away. but i didn't as press secretary say a word until i was sure we could report this accurately, and believe me, those five hours were the longest in my life. the press core went nuts. >> i was one of them. it was scary. >> you have to stand back and let the facts develop first. i think they both jumped the gun. >> are you interested from a media standpoint of trump and the media? just this morning, he was on home base this morning. he wast fox, he was on msnbc, and the dynamic of kind of counseling him through
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interviews, when you say this, you know, so you mean like you would just kind of do it this way, are you marvelling how he uses the media? >> you know, donald trump has changed all the rules. first of all, he has made people like me virtually irvel rant. he handles it himself to the profound effect. "the new york times" story about women, he came out front and center, fought it, defeated it and made it go away. >> you believe that, right, because there are two schools of thought on that? the piece still hurt him, the left is saying it still hurt him. >> absolutely not. the piece was thin to begin with and donald trump made it candy and made it go away. but when a staffer does that, the traditional way in politics, you send out your surrogates, your spokesperson, it doesn't have as much impact. he may be overexposing himself, but he is changing the rules. all of us have to get used to what we measured politics on for decades is under change. we're in atmosphere where people are sick of politicians, and
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that's one of the reasons he is winning so far. everything is different the way donald trump does it. i just, i'm not -- i'm self-aware enough to know because we did it my way for years, doesn't mean it's right. >> ari fleischer great to have you. >> continued success outside this field of politics. good to have you. >> thank you. first on the scene of a raking house fi-- raging house fire. seconds to spare, we'll show you how he truly went beyond the call of duty. , but she just can't see it. so excedrin worked with me to show my mom what i experience during a migraine. excedrin relieves my pain and symptoms. but their dedication to migraine sufferers doesn't stop there. oh my god... i'm so sorry, honey, that you go through this. now i finally feel understood. experience more stories at excedrin.com
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so flames break out at a house in massachusetts and a police officer nearby jumps into action. cnn jessica snyder shows us how he went beyond the call of duty. >> the fire is raging and you can hear it. it is very intense heat. >> officer louie lopez didn't know what he was walking into it. he spotted the flames and got into his patrol car and find where it was coming from. no one called 911 yet. he spotted a crowd outside this multi family home. >> as i'm yelling at people to get back, people are yelling back that there are people inside the house. i come into this gate, run to the back door. >> were you feeling the heat of
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this fire when you're in this space here? >> oh, absolutely. you could feel it, the spoke, it's pretty heavy. >> that didn't stop you? >> no, my main concern was to make sure that if anyone was in here, they got out. i remember forcing this door and going in. when i end up in the kitchen, i started looking around and started yelling, boston police, anyone in here. >> no one answered, but officer lopez saw a door close just off the kitchen and forced it open. >> the door flies open, a gentleman is on the bed. i start yelling at him, come on, we've got to go. the house is on fire. he is looking at me startled. >> no one inside new the urgency, the two other people he encountered inside didn't want to leave. >> they wanted to collect their belongings where we only had seconds to spare. >> you had to say no, this is serious. >> we gotta go. >> luckily, there was no one else inside and firefighters had
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finally arrived. >> i always wondered why they went into a burning building, but now i know. it's not something you think about. you just react to the moment. >> a swift reaction, and a big rescue by a 20 year boston police veteran, now with a flair for fire fighting, jessica snyder, cnn boston. >> that's what he does without thinking. but people standing outside ordinary people, the rest of us, we don't do that. that's why they're special and he certainly went beyond the call of duty. >> absolutely. time for the "newsroom" with john berman, always going above the call of duty, j.b. >> i gotta say, the last story, only the best comes from boston, chris cuomo, alisyn, thank you all so much. "newsroom" starts now. good morning, everyone i'm john berman,

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