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costello, i welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. a big break for investigators and heart break for the families of all those on board. egyptian military says it has found debris, located about 180 miles offer the coast of alexandria. this, as executives met with relatives of the victims, company leaders offered their help and briefed the families on the investigation. but the biggest question, what caused the crash that remains unanswered. terror does remain the leading suspicion. we're hearing that from officials here in the united states as well as egypt. charles de gaulle airport where the flight began its journey is bolstering its security with 30 more intelligence officers, the government not clarifying the reason. security had already been increased after the paris attacks last november. we're going to bring you all the
latest developments with our aviation experts. cnn nic robertson live on the phone from the island of crete. nick, what can you tell us this morning? >> well, the very latest we have john comes from the greek ministry of defense confirming what we're also hearing from egyptian officials, and that is some debris has been found, specifically this of course, the tragic news for the families. they have found some of the remains of a passenger. they have found a part of a seat. they have pinpoint in the map, in this large body of water, the med t mediterranean, and it will help in the recover remissions. the greek government is basing their assistance in crete, for the egyptians, basing and flying two c-130 aircraft out of the
military base. they're also offering the military base to allies, for them to base it, base aircraft, if they want to get involved in this effort. this a multi national effort. the united states are running surveillance aircraft, greek surveillance involved, the british navy has a a vessel, they've gone to the area of the debris field and aiding in the discovery efforts. greek an italian, cypress is also making efforts. some of the debris has been found, tragic details that we now know that the parts of remains are beginning to be found. of course, the plane as expected has gone to the bottom of the ocean. that's where the voice recorder data recorder will be. but the biggest lead in the biggest clue that could come and we have to stress this, could come, would be the discovery of a piece of fuselage that shows
some kind of blast that perhaps could be tested for residue that might indicate an explosive. that would be the quickest way that investigators might get an early lead on what brought the aircraft down. but at the moment, all bets are off. no one is able to pinpoint precisely what happened yet, john. >> any sense of the size of the debris field or the number of pieces that we're talking about here? >> it sounds so far, john, limited number of pieces. that's what we have information about so far. and the actual size of the debris field, that is still not clear to us. the early indications are that debris was a little distance away from where the aircraft was last spotted on radar. we know about 180 miles off the coast of egypt, about 130 miles off the coast of the nearest large greek island. the size of the debris field, we understand because of currents in the mediterranean, it won't
spread out as much as it might in a larger ocean, larger body of water, john. >> nic, one other piece of information this morning. the european satellite agency is telling us that it spotted an oil slick in that same area where they believe the plane did go down. any information you can give us on that? >> we don't have information on that additionally yet. it's not clear if that oil slick is associated with the aircraft coming down. we do know that that would be typical of such a crash in water, that either hydraulic fluid or aviation fuel can leak out of the aircraft. that can leave a visible trace. obviously, all of it will be a great help for the greeks flying there, air reconnaissance for the united states p-3 aircraft in the air above the debris field. >> all right, nic robertson headed to the maun taiountains s
being used for the recovery operation. nic, thanks so much. we'll check back in with you in a little bit. moments ago, the family of the co-pilot spoke with cnn. live at cairo international airport with what they had to say. hello, ian. >> hi, john, yes, today being friday, the egyptians muslims gathered for friday prayer. that's where i met a lot of the family members of the crew that were on that plane. some of them didn't show up, because they still have yet to believe that their loved ones are gone, but those i was able to talk to described the co-pilot as being someone who was full of life. a loving person. one uncle said that he basically helped raise the co-pilot after his mother died. take a listen to more of what he had to say.
>> can you tell me about your nephew. give me some words. what kind of a man was he? >> again, he was absolutely very kind person, and never see a guy in his age in his humanity and sense of humor. i would say he was the only one that was really -- he said so. really very much unfortunate, and there is not big incident for only us as a family, but as you can see, the entire country is really sad about it. >> and john, i talked to another
uncle as well. and he expressed frustration. basically that people are assuming or maybe throwing out the theory that it could have been the pilot or co-pilot. they said that couldn't be further from the truth. that these men were honorable men. they were loved men. there was a great, large gathering of people coming out to support their families, they said they have many friends and family, and that the theory that it could have been the pilot or co-pilot bringing down a plane is basically insulting. they were also wanting to know why with this plane originating from paris, why hasn't there been more focus on paris and what is happening there. really, the families and friends, we're trying to come to grips of actually what happened, and again, some of the family members didn't even show up, even though they were praying for their souls. some of the family members are still in disbelief that they're dead, waiting be against all
odds to hear and hope that their loved ones could be found. but as it looks like now, it doesn't seem like anyone will be found alive. >> ian lee for us in cairo. thanks so much. he was just saying what about paris. what about the last location where this plane took off from charles de gaulle airport, a lot of focus on that site this morning. there with the very latest, atika, investigators pouring through anyone on the plane, anyone who worked on the plane, anyone who worked at the airport in general. >> reporter: absolutely. what they've done, investigators already started interviewing anybody who might have had access to the plane that includes baggage land handlers, caterers, what we do know is that the plane was checked before it left. that means people went through checkpoint, anything may have been left behind.
investigators are going back over that to see if anything was missed. now, charles de gaulle airport has some of the most stringent security in europe. anybody who wants to access those restricted areas that has to go through screening. not just passengers, the checks you and i go through for liquids or laptops. all the employees have to go through there to get a red badge to get into the area. as has been pointed out, airport authorities admit, nothing is ever 100% water tight. anything at all might have been missed. >> going over everything is a huge task, atika, more than 80,000 workers have some kind of clearance at charles de gaulle airport? >> reporter: exactly. 85,000 exactly have in charles de gaulle airport, and they have access to those restricted areas. so it is a tremendous task to screen all of those people. remember, in order to just get that badge, you need to have police screening, you need to have another check as well.
and then there are sort of the rand random pe random period cal checks, and in december, actually and over the last few months they have been doing reviews of personnel here, and they have in fact revoked the security badges of some 85 people for fears that they may have had links or may have been security risks linked to radical islamists. >> atika, we'll check back with you throughout the day as the investigation continues there. as search crews retrieve the wreckage, how quickly will authority be be able to fickgur out what happened. let's speak to mary schiavo, bob barry, and and miles o'brien here in new york. mary, i want to start with you, a two-part operation going on now, trying to retrieve and locate the wreckage and then
once you have it, to analyze it. what are the first thing you can tell from pieces of debris and wreckage after you find it? >> well, generally three kinds of things. first and foremost, the human remains. that's important for two reasons. one, for rirning eturning to th families for proper memorials, but the injuries on the body, any residue, any kind of injuries to the bodies, if it was blunt force, burning, et cetera. and then second, for the aircraft parts, that's very, very important, both to rule in and to rule out terrorism. flight 587, november 2001, it was very important to find the tail pieces of the plane to rule out terrorism and then they will use the parts to track back on the flow pattern to find the all important black boxes, probably
at the point of entry into the water. >> miles o'brien, nic robertson told us there is a limited number of pieces of debris they found so far, possibly a chair, personalin personal belongsing, they spotted an oil slick near the location where they believe the flight went down. anything you can determine by these first pieces of evidence that are being identified? >> well, it seems like the usual things you would see. things that float, oil sliks, all predictable. the stuff that is of -- that's interesting on its own right, because you can take that location, and reverse engineer the drift patterns, and that should take you to the point of impact and that's the first place you would be listening for the pings, where the real answers lie. meanwhile, control surfaces, in air france 447, the vertical tab r stabilizer floated and so pieces like that can actually
rise to the surface. while we're waiting to find the black boxes, those pieces of wreckage can provide valuable data. did they bend outward, indicating an explosion. aerodynamic, more of impact type of failure when it hit the surface of the water. >> let's bring you into the discussion, bob. in terms of trying to connect this to terrorism, if there is a connection, there has been no evidence that we have seen so far. no concrete evidence. no claim of responsibility. nothing turning up on the passenger manifest. no clues having to do with the flight crew. what does that tell you? >> well, it's too early. first of all, we all agree, explosive residue or the effect of a blast, that will take a couple of weeks, get to the black box. but you know, actually going through the passenger lists, i mean, it's not, you know, they're not absolutely certain that somebody wasn't related to
al qaeda or the islamic state. i mean, these -- going through these lists is very superficial. and then you have to go through paris airport, the simplest place to put on a bomb with a timer. but somebody making these things could have put it in cairo or tunisia, a previous stop. we're a long way away from determining what happened to the airplane. >> 30 intelligence officers added to charles de gaulle airport today, they'll be put in place over the next several days. 30 doesn't seem like an awful lot. it seems perhaps more like a token move there. but can that make a difference at that airport if there are legitimate concerns there? >> certainly, especially if they put the security agents in the air side or the nonpublic parts of the airport. if it's suspected that perhaps some of these -- some persons with alleged terrorist ties, the person stripped of their
security badges, persons within the airports or recruits will be very important for the security agents to focus on the workers rather than the passengers. and after september 11th, 2001, we're always looking at passengers. the biggest loophole and the biggest shortages in security are the airport workers themselves. that would help to focus on them. >> miles, about the location of the debris field, the debris as exists in the mediterranean, about where they believe the plane disappeared from the radar, look, obviously mh flight 370 is the one in everyone's minds. they were looking for the wreckage thousands of miles away. the pieces showed up where you thought they might. >> a black swan, mh-370 was. the last known position, you go out and look, and in short order in this case, you find debris
and backtrack there to the wreckage at the bottom of the ocean. so hopefully before too long, certainly within the 30 day window that pinging noise will be emitted by the black boxes well within the period of time we'll be able to get on-site and into the boxes. >> bob, last question. what do you think the current u.s. involvement is in terms of this investigation right now with being led i assume by the egyptians and by the greeks, but the french involvement as well, since that's the airport. what do you suspect as far as u.s. involvement? >> oh, the u.s. is all over this, because if the bomb was put on in paris, that means american airplanes are vulnerable. anything that goes across the atlantic. and we, you know, working closely with the french to figure out if they have a problem in the airport, because if they do, we clearly have a problem. >> major european transportation hubs, if there is a problem at charles de gaulle airport, richard quest has been saying, it changes the entire ball game here. all right, mary, brian, miles,
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clash between countries over what might have caused the crash of egyptair flight 804. the egypt minister says it is more likely to be terror, but french officials are down-playing that, and so far, no terror group has stepped forward to claim responsibility for the class. cnn terror expert, paul cruicksha cruickshank. you have people all over, particularly in europe. what are they telling you? >> reporter: well, john, it's really unclear whether this was terrorism at this point. there is no solid evidence that this is terrorism, by solid evidence, you're looking at
forensic examination of the wreckage for some kind of sign of explosion or flash signature picked up by satellites. explosion, we've had no claim of responsibility, more than 36 hours after that event. it is indeed puzzling, because isis has been very trigger-happy when it comes to putting out claims of responsibility. metrojet in october, it took them five hours to put out a claim of responsibility. they claimed all sorts of operations of attacks in the middle east in the time since this plane went down. but deaf en deafenning silence. al qaeda, but it would be surprising for al qaeda to at thattic th-- this day over
telegram channels and so on and so forth. so that is definitely puzzling, counterterrorism analysts. it may be an indication that perhaps it isn't terrorism after all. what is the point of bringing down a plane from a it terrorist, if you aren't going to bask in the glory of such an act. this is the holy grail for terrorist groups. this would be one of the biggest accomplishments in the history of terrorism. >> these are the reasons it keeps being asked. paul, there is a desire by isis and al qaeda to target the aviation community and air flights all over europe. again, with the flight originating in paris, headed to cairo, those are two nations that have been targeted. >> reporter: absolutely right. both from al qaeda and isis, a desire to bring down commercial aircraft passenger jets.
it gives a huge impact global headlines and impacts on the economy. but it has been al qaeda that has led the way trying to develop sophisticated devices to try to beat airport security, particularly yemen, their master bomb maker developing new underwear devices, shoe bombs, even experimenting with surgically implanting bombs inside human beings, concern that that group in yemen has shared this technology with its affiliates in syria and somalia, and this is ago interesting accident in february of this year. the al qaeda affiliate, al shabaab, got a sophisticated laptop bomb on into a passenger jet leaving from the airport. they recruited two airport workers in the operation, who managed to get a device through an x-ray machine, because they hid it inside a laptop. they handed it and there is cctv
footage to a third operative who brought it onto the plane. fortunately, it only blew a hole in the fuselage, blew it onto the ground below. but the airline itself managed to land safely. a few weeks later, there was another attempt in somal. ia, using another laptop bomb. one of the countries thegypt in the 24 hours before the crash, eritrea, it was quite near somalia. you're looking at where the plane was in the 24 hours before the attack. i think from counterterrorism point of view, the bigger vulnerability in places like eritrea, in the 24 hours before
the incident, rather than in paris, where there is much tighter security, very strict protocols for people working at the airport, but not so much strict protocols in the middle east and africa. that is the achille's heel right now in terms of bringing in state-of-the-art technology, training, and these protocols to protect against the insider. >> you understand the complication and the breadth of this investigation. paul, thanks for being with us, still to come, comin'ing for clues beneath the surface. as they hunt for the wreckage of egyptair flight 804. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds
you can see on the map right there. it includes belongings from some of the passengers and ten crew on board. an aircraft seat and human remains. the u.s. greece and france are among those helping with the search efforts right now, all this as the european space agency says it has detected an oil slick in the mediterranean, not far from where they suspect the flight went down. with me to talk more about the recovery effort, tim taylor, a sea operations and specialist for tiburion. we're also joined by cnn aviation analyst, managing director, peter goelz. welcome to you. what do you know about this area of the mediterranean, about 100 miles north of alexandria right now? this area where they found debris, what are searchers facing now? >> depth first of all. you've got upwards of 2,000 meters, or 10,000 feet of water to deal with. so when they say they found
wreckage, off he got to be careful how you use the terminology. they found debris, if you're classifying wreckage as the full ship, that's probably on the bottom someplace that's going to be searched for over a long period of time before they find it. it is not going to happen fast. >> that means they have to get all those devices that we learned about there, they have to get the submersiblesubmersib >> the oil slick is a great indicator. jet fuel is light so it comes up and evaporates fast. world war ii, there was slicks 70 years later. it is a good indicator. get the pinger in the area and start scanning with sonar and sound. >> peter, based on your experiences, once you identify pieces of debris, which apparently have been identified in the mediterranean sea, what is the timeline after that? >> well, as tim mentioned,
we'riwe're looking at weeks if not months, recovered stuff beneath the ocean, it is not easy and it is very difficult. they are going to have a tough time over the next week even just identifying where the main wreckage field is. and as tim mentioned, this is 9,000 feet deep. and i jagged ocean floor apparently. the vessel searching for the pi pingers will almost have to be on top of them to get a solid fix. now, they're going to look at the wreckage floating. it may or may not tell you anything, because really, in this kind of investigation, if it was an observatiexplosive de the explosion takes place is the most important. and that will be further down the flight path. so they're going to have to not only search where the main wreckage is, but trace it back
along the flight path, account for drift, and start searching for the first pieces off the plane. >> math is clearly a big part of this, tracing back mathematically where it had been before once you do see the pieces. peter, talk to me about the flight data recorder and voice recorder. the timeline, how long do they have to locate the devices? >> well, the clock is ticking. some of the older recorders have a 30 day battery, some of the newer recorders have a 90 day battery. egyptair should be able to tell us immediately what kind of batteries are on those devices. so the clock is ticking. >> tim, go ahead. >> yeah, peter is right. the sound is a major issue there, it is very rocky terrain. it is tricky under water, it can ricochet like echoes, and kind of echo out and different
directions, so you don't necessarily have the ability to narrow down precisely where it is with the pinger. it could be a general area, if they find it at all. and again, it's easy to find it in flat terrain, higher profile terrain makes it a little difficult. >> what about the mediterranean in general. it's busy. it is shipping lanes there. does it make it harder to work under water? >> not really. as much as you see the shipping traffic and lane, it is a big ocean. you're running past boats, not like a highway. trafficcongests. generally, a ship doing submersible operations let's everyone know in the area and give them a wide birth. even the mediterranean is seemingly a small ocean, it is a big, big place to look, too. so there is a lot of area to cover. >> obviously, peter, a multi
national effort right now, which complicates things. you have the egyptians who theoretically leading the investigation, the french, because it talk off from charles de gaulle airport, you have greece because it happened, the plane lost contact over greek airspace right now. your experience dealing with specifically these countries, if you have experience, what is in store? >> well, i think, you know, there is always a certain amount of missteps during the opening phases of an accident. we saw that yesterday, where greece announced they found wreckage or seen wreckage. it appears as though this effort is getting better coordinated by the hour. and you know, in malaysia flight 370, we saw the chinese reported that they had picked up the sound of a pinger which was not true. this will be far better coordinated. they're working towards that. the french, the british and the egyptians have worked together
before on accident investigations. i don't think you're going to see those kinds of missteps going forward. >> it does indeed seem now that debris has been found, and progress is being made, which is good for the investigation, but very difficult news for the families. peter goelz, tim taylor, thank you for being with us. still to come, what we're learning about the 66 people on board egyptair flight 804, that's next. you know when i first started out, it was all pencil and paper. the surface pro is very intuitive. i can draw lightly, just like i would with a real pencil. i've been a forensic artist for over 30 years. i do the composite sketches which are the bad guy sketches. you need good resolution, powerful processor because the computer has to start thinking as fast as my brain does.
right now, top executives from egyptair, including the company's ceo are meeting with the victims. the airline is offering its condolences, this as we learn more about the people on board. brynn, what do you know. >> 66 passengers, all different ages, two children, infants. and they come from different
countries, primarily egypt. we're learning about some of their names, people, family members, and through social media. ahmed was working at proctor and gamble in paris, he was on the flight. we also learned this morning about marwa hanny, and living in cairo, thee go to school there. the school confirmed about her being on the flight. they said she was a devoted and loving mother on their facebook site. they said she was greatly appreciated by everyone who had the chance to deal with her, and they said she was always offering a helping hand. another one, richard osman was from whales. he just had a baby, 14 months old. two daughters in all. his wife is the one who realized on the news, the plane went down. she knew her husband was on it, and itv news spoke with his
brother. >> richard was a very kind person, loving person, very focused. he was a work ahollic, never deated fr deated from the straight path. a lot of people admired him for his strength and values. >> just hearbreaking to hear from these families who are still in shock. not releasing the entire list of names of everyone on the flight because they're still get anything touch with the next of kin, but that same brother, he just said these terrorists don't realize, these are family members. they have kids, lives, and it is just devastating. >> 66 stories. i was speaking to a friend last night, and mara, a mother to 3 but a devoted mother, and she is
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our cover averaage of the e air crash will continue. but first, donald trump will address the annual convention for the biggest gun rights group in the nation this afternoon. this is the latest move to try to bring his party together. phil mattingly joins us now. what is donald trump going to do today? >> i think what you will see him do is what you've seen him do
over the course of the last week, which is to reach out to specific segments of the republican party. you have the nra where donald trump over the course of his entire campaign has made clear, quote, nobody will protect the second aemenmendment like me ore donald trump. that's a shift and he's acknowledged his views have evolved. if you look back at a book he wrote in 2000, he said he supported the assault weapons bans, he supported longer waiting periods. he's shifted those positions, an evolution he's described repeatedly but this is an important segment of the republican party. you saw him try to list one with the list of 11 judges he put out earlier in the week and now he's shifting to gun owners. you see a who's who of republican lawmakers and top gop officials will be speaking and no question about it, donald trump is the premiere speaker as his effort continues to unify the party. i think it's really interesting as we watch this process play out over the course of the last week, week and a half, really since paul ryan set the republican party on fire declining to endorse donald
trump, the work that trump and his team have done behind the scenes to try and secure endorsements and the work that the republican party has done publicly to start to move in his direction. that never trump movement, while certain people are very much still involved in that movement, mitt romney being one of them, the efforts for a third-party candidate still out there but also starting to wither. i want to read a republican official who served in george w. bush's administration and was very much in the never trump camp. he said we all spent the last couple months counting the reasons why we can't support trump. now we're all in the process of just trying to find one reason to support him. and i think that's one of the reasons that you have seen over the last ten days. trump trying to give them that reason and those people finding the reason and starting to shift behind him. >> money starting to go his way and in the polls too. we've seen a few of them from fox news and "the new york times" and cbs news where you see donald trump starting to consolidate. no all the way yet but the trend is moving in that direction. phil mattingly, thanks so much. donald trump is facing
increasely sharper attacks from hillary clinton as the two inch closer to a general election showdown. hillary clinton gave her bluntest assessment yet of donald trump's candidacy to chris cuomo. >> do you think that donald trump is qualified to be president? >> no, i do not. i think if you go through many of his irresponsible, reckless, dangerous comments, it's not just somebody saying something off the cuff. we all misstate things. we all, you know, may not be as careful in phrasing what we say. this is a pattern. it's a pattern that has gone on now for months. >> donald trump fired back using the words of hillary clinton's democratic rival against her. >> bernie sanders said that hillary really isn't -- essentially not fit to be president. she's not qualified to be president. he said unqualified, and he said that she suffers from bad
judgment, and she does. >> joining me now is larry sabado. there were two big shifts from hillary clinton in that interview with chris cuomo. she was asked is donald trump qualified to be president. her answer now is no. that wasn't her answer two weeks ago. two weeks ago she demured. she said i'm going to let the people decide. now definitively she says no. why the shift do you imagine? >> well, she's decided that the voters need some help in reaching that conclusion since the polls have been tightening, at least some polls have been tightening. look, hillary clinton and her advisers i'm sure recognize that they can't make the same mistake that the 16 republicans who were vanquished by donald trump made during the primary season which was basically to leave him alone, to assume that the voters
would conclude that he was way off in orbit with outrageous charges, and that doesn't necessarily happen. you have to fight back, and she's going to have to fight back either directly, and some of it will be direct, or through affiliated super pacs or the democratic party. >> and the affiliated pac is up with ads. $6 million worth of ads over the next two weeks in key swing states. so for them the fight is very much on even while hillary clinton is still in the middle of a primary, larry, and that was the other very interesting thing, the other big shift we saw from hillary clinton yesterday. she flat out told chris cuomo it's done. i'm going to be the democratic nominee. she seemed no longer willing for lack of a better word to humor bernie sanders. less concerned about alienating his supporters than she has been to date. >> you know, john, we're at the point where she actually can't
afford in terms of money, time, and energy to fight a two-front war. amazing looking back to what we all thought last summer, the republicans with 17 candidates have wrapped up their season early. they've got a nominee, and as you noted before, republicans are coalescing behind that nominee. the leadership maybe not, but the rank and file is, and here the democrats only started with five candidates and have had two for most of the season, they're still fighting pretty viciously. so she has got to shift and pivot to donald trump, and she's trying to send that message to bernie sanders. i don't think he's receiving it, but she's sending the message. >> no, she flat out says it's on him. it's on him at this point to get his supporters to move her way. although we should point out, larry, in closing that she's doing better with bernie sanders supporters than barack obama was doing with hillary clinton supporters in 2008.
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all right. good morning. i'm john berman in for carol costello today. we just got some new information in the investigation into missing egyptianaire flight 804. this coming from greek officials. they tell us now they have found body parts, human remains, as they search for debris in the mediterranean. also two seats, two seats and one other item, what was the one other item they found? also a suitcase. so this is adding to the information we're getting about the debris.
they are finding two seats now, a suitcase, as well as human remains. these will be key as they try to piece together what happened to that flight egyptair flight 804 now crashed more than 36 hours ago in the mediterranean. this debris, the initial debris, was found about 180 miles north of alexandria in egypt. as you can see, we have vessels from egypt and greece, many nations now involved in that search that's been going virtually around the clock, and they are finding out more. also, an oil slick found in the mediterranean by the european space agency. their satellites finding some oil there around the site where they believe that that flight went down. this comes as executives from egyptair meet with the families of now the victims trying to console them, offering their condolences. charles de gaulle airport, where the flight began, is bolstering security. we understand that 30 more
intelligence officers will be placed in that airport. the government not officially saying the reason for the increase. security had already been up there after the paris attacks last november. we'll bring you all the latest developments with our correspondents and aviation experts across the globe. want to begin with cnn's nic robertson. we're just getting this new information from greek officials. you are on crete. characterizing the nature of some of the debris that they are only now just recovering. >> reporter: john, that's right. and behind me is one of the greek c-130 military cargo transport aircraft that is involved in that recovery and search effort. the other one is off this military air base at the moment flying in that recovery effort. what we've learned from greek officials, human body parts have been found. two seats have been found. a suitcase or suitcases have been discovered. this debris field is southeast
of where -- just southeast of where the aircraft egypt 804 disappeared off the radar in the early hours of thursday morning. it is north of that debris field that was found earlier on thursday mistaken for parts of the wreckage from this particular aircraft, but we are learning other debris fields are being spotted by other search and recovery efforts in the area. it's not clear yet if those debris fields are linked to the missing egyptair aircraft at the moment, but now they have this one location. this should help begin to pinpoint and focus what has been a wide-scale search at the moment. we know that there's a united states orion p-3 surveillance aircraft involved, a british naval vessel is involved in the search. the greek authorities also have a surveillance aircraft in the air over the area as well as well as two helicopters on a
neighboring island to crete ready to join the recovery mission as they are needed in that effort, john. >> all right. two seats, a suitcase, as well as human remains. we're just getting a sense now of what is being located, and we presume recovered, in the mediterranean. we're also getting word from the european space agency. they have some pictures of an oil slick around the area where they suspect that this plane went down. >> reporter: yeah. this is going to be very useful information for the c-130 pilots, for the other air crews and naval vessels in that area searching. again, it focuses them in on the area. not clear yet whether this oil slick that's been spotted is associated with the egyptair aircraft. what would be expected is when an aircraft like this crashes into the sea, you can expect a release of hydraulic fluids that will come up and float up to the surface. you can also expect aviation
fuel which may evaporate to some degree but you can expect that to come to the surface as well. this may be what is being picked up by this european space agency satellite that's monitoring this specific area of the mediterranean sea. again, once they get teams on site, can physically get close to that, they can begin to make a technical analysis of the type of oil, the nature of the oil, how long they might think it's been out there, how long it's been oxidized. they can gather a lot of information and that, again, all important working with the tidal charts there and the currents, knowing those currents there, it will again pinpoint precisely where this aircraft may have actually hit the water, john. >> and they're working every angle right now pulling on every thread, and more threads are emerging. as we indicated, greek officials telling us two seats have been recovered, human remains, as well as a suitcase or suitcases. they offer the possibility that it is plural as well. nic robertson on crete where so much of this search is being headquartered. thanks so much, nic. we're also hearing from family members of the 66 people on board.
victims' families gathering in friday prayer outside the crisis center at cairo international airport. it was there that ian lee spoke with the uncle of co-pilot. listen. >> reporter: can you just tell me about your nephew? just give me some words. what kind of man was he? >> again, he was absolutely very kind person. you never see a guy his age in his humanity and sense of humor. i would say he was the only one that was really drawing smiles on our faces. really very much unfortunate, and it is not a big accident for only us as a family, but as you can seed the entire country is really sad about this. >> i want to go live to cairo international airport. arwa damon is there. families who are gathered there, we know from past experiences,
families just want answers. that does not mean that when the answers come as they are now beginning to, that they're easy to hear. >> reporter: they're not easy to hear, and this is such an unspeakably difficult time for all those who have lost loved ones. ian at that mosque also spoke to a number of the colleagues of the crew members who perished in this plane going missing and now having crashed into the mediterranean, and a lot of them were very angry and irritated at this notion that perhaps somehow the crew was responsible, whether it's technical failure or terrorism, that somehow the crew could have been involved. all of them were describing the crew members as being very loving, very professional individuals, and there is this sense that perhaps egypt and egyptair are being wrongfully blamed. there have also been a number of prayers being held throughout the entire country, but also here in cairo for those who have
gone missing at this stage in that plane, but interestingly, some family members actually not attending those prayers because they are trying to hold out hope that perhaps their loved ones may still be alive. it is so difficult to lose someone who you care about, to lose a family member, to be a child who has lost their parent or vice versa, that coping with that loss, often one of the initial coping mechanisms is to try to perhaps deny what has taken place and cling to the hope that maybe, just maybe, your loved one is alive. there's also been a lot of frustration with the lack of flow of information. people want answers. they want that critical question, why did this happen to us? why did this happen to someone who we care about, who we love, to be among the first that are answered so that they can begin that difficult process of coping with all of these losses. but, again, at this stage we do have very little answers as to exactly why it is that flight 804 went down.
>> just unspeakable pain and obviously our thoughts go out to those families there waiting for more answers. arwa damon in cairo. thanks so much. with me now to talk about this, contributing editor for "flying magazine" les abend and we are joined by miles o'brien. miles, i want to start with the news that we got in just a few minutes ago. identifying more pieces of the debris now being located in the mediterranean. two seats, a suitcase or suitcases, and human remains. >> yeah. it's grim, isn't it? it's worth for a moment pausing to remember the human toll here. the stuff that they're finding is the stuff you would expect to find initially. things that float, and that's useful primarily to help them identify where the wreckage at the bottom of the sea might be. locating it, knowing how long it's been since it's been in the water, and knowing the currents,
you can literally backtrack to the point where the plane might be, and it begins that location of looking for the black boxes under the sea which will ping for at least 30 days. so that's crucial. there's also some pieces that could rise to the surface which in and of themselves which will have evidence that could help investigators. how did they fail? >> by definition, if you're finding suitcases, if you're finding seats and seat cushions that were inside the plane, that tells you that there was some kind of breakup either in the air or upon impact, correct? >> yeah. i don't think many people who know much about aviation would think this would have remained intact. i think people imagine -- the airbus a-320 that landed on the hudson river with sully at the controls, but that was a deliberate ditching. we're not talking about that. >> obviously not at this point. >> les abend, with he have this flight data recorder in front of you. we know there are two black boxes they will be searching for and they can trace back when
they look at the debris, it gives them a better sense of how to hone in on one specific area but it doesn't make the search easy. it records all sounds and communications inside the cockpit. the flight data recorder records what, les? >> the cockpit voice recorder also records all the transmit transmissions between air-traffic control. so they will by theory get two hours of those transmissions and two hours of what you said, all the conversations within the cockpit. this, the digital flight data recorder, records all sorts of parameters of the airplane. thousands of them, as a matter of fact, from engine parameters right down to g loads on the airplane, specific things that accident investigators will use to say, hey, did we have an explosion, do we have a structural issue that originated from somewhere m tin the airpla or did something else occur.
all those parameters are through the black box. an airbus is a very sophisticated airplane so it's got a lot of -- >> and it's matching the cockpit voice reporter to the data recorder if and when they find both, what the pilots are saying as what is happening to the plane is going on. >> there's a program in the ntsb to coordinate this information with the cockpit voice recorder so you have the transcripts and then also you have what was happening with the airplane in specific terms. >> and, miles, in this case since it does record two hours of conversations between what's going on -- the people in the cockpit and the ground, this will have everything of value if it is found there. and there are a limited number of possibilities for why this plane went down, miles, yes? >> yes. i think les may quibble with this one, but airplanes don't fall out of the clear blue sky, so the idea there was a loss of control event that caused this i think is very low on the list, and i'll let les quibble with that if he'd like to.
that puts us into the category, the umbrella what be a deliberate act. was it a bomb that was placed on there? we've been talking a lot about that this morning. or was this aircraft, and the evidence still supports this, was it commandeered either by passengers or a member of the crew, and what we saw was in the nonresponse from air-traffic control and subsequent to that perhaps some signs of struggle in the cockpit, all of that kind of information, cockpit voice recorder will be very crucial in this one but both will help. >> the reasons that some suggest that perhaps there was no hostile takeover or struggle in the cockpit is there were three security officers on board that flight that we know of who could have perhaps, you know, gotten themselves in the way of an attempt in the cockpit, correct? >> and that's exactly what i was going to talk about. i don't see that happening unless these people were sympathizers with whatever movement, whatever terrorist -- >> way out in front of the evidence right now. >> but at the end of the day
there was indications maybe they were just dead heading home as we do as crew members, but if they were on the airplane, they're going to participate in defending that cockpit and so will the paeges in this day and age. >> miles? >> i'd love to hear what les says about this. one of the big vulnerabilities in all these aircraft is on a long flight in particular when the flight crew and the flight deck has to use the restroom. that is outside the security perimeter beyond the secured door, and i know if you've been on a plane, you have seen it. the flight attendant will roll the cart out in front to try to offer an obstacle but that's really a determined person could certainly get beyond that. this is something that should be addressed. it's an achilles' heel of security. the pilots should be able to relief themselves without causing a security breach. >> a known vulnerability? >> absolutely. and we've developed a complacency with it at times. at the end of the day what we're there to do if we do to, you know, go and relieve ourselves
is to make sure that door is not open for a great period of time and some of that, you know, is being in a way compensated by the fact that we're getting a little lax with that. i think crews are getting back into that motion again, but, you know, at the end of the day bringing that cart out is sometimes -- i have mixed feelings about it. it's an announcement that the crew is about to come out, and, you know, at the end of the day if somebody really know what is they're doing, they're going to get past that cart quickly. >> these are just questions that are being asked at this point in the absence of evidence. a lot of questions about what happened to egyptair flight 804. there are now some pieces of evidence being retrieved, literally pieces of evidence. we understand two seats, a suitcase or suitcases, and now human remains from the mediterranean about 180 miles north of alexandria. that information just coming in from greek officials. thanks so much. we continue to follow the latest on the investigation into what maybe caused egyptair
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egyptian military as well as greek officials now say that debris has been found from flight 804, and an oil slick from the plane may also have been spotted by the european space agency in the mediterranean. so much of the focus now on the cause of the crash and whether u.s. travelers should be worried. is there a connection to terrorism? to help us answer that question georgia congressman lynn westmoreland joins us now. a member of the house permanent select committee on intelligence. congressman, thank you so much for being with us. have you been briefed on this incident? >> the only thing we can really comment on is the open source information that is out there, but we have been receiving some
information periodically about it. >> sources have been telling cnn over the last 24 hours that the initial suspicion, the initial theory, the initial belief among u.s. officials is that terrorism was likely involved. this is based mostly on the circumstances, not hard evidence at this point, but is that the sense you're getting as well? >> well, you know, from a common sense standpoint, you know, if something is going wrong with your car, whether it's the brakes or, you know, transmission or whatever, you have a little bit of warning. we had no communications from the pilots about anything, so it does make me think that it was a catastrophic event, that nothing, you know, was heard from the pilots. but the thing that concerns us the most is this is a radical islamic terror groups and whether it's daesh or al qaeda
or whoever it is, they've been pretty good at trade craft as far as infiltrating organizations and companies, and so europeans especially, they don't know how many people have gone to syria or iraq to join these groups and then come back home. the europeans i'm sure have surveillance or at least suspicions of some of those, but the ones that they don't know that have come back is what concerns me and the fact that they are getting so good at infiltrating and establishing a good tradecraft and we have to be on our toes when it comes to that. i think we do a fairly good job, a fairly good job with our tsa, but what we've got to worry about because we have hundreds if not thousands of flights coming from europe in here, and that seems to be kind of the
m.o. of what's happened with some of these planes that are disappearing and crashing, especially over water. because being over water, it does erase a lot of the fingerprints that could be on there because, you know, when we get one on the ground such as the one that crashed in the sinai in egypt, we were able to reconstruct that. >> congressman -- >> yes. >> have you seen any evidence at this point? you raise the speculation that maybe charles de gaulle airport in paris, there had been some level of infiltration there. is there any evidence that's the case? >> there's not any evidence of that, but i'm sure they're running every person to ground that had anything to do with that airplane and probably the previous two or three legs of what that trip had. >> congressman, are you concerned that there are vulnerabilities -- or the same
vulnerabilities you're talking about in europe at u.s. airports? >> well, i do think that since a lot of the airlines have gone to contracting whether it's their bag service, the food service, the cleaning of the plane, some of those things that i just hope that our airlines are making clear that when security checks are done on these people, that they're carried out properly, and as you know, the last check we had, we had some criminals that were working at some of these facilities. even the tsa. so i think we have to do a little bit better on the background checks of these people that actually have contact with the planes that we're getting on and flying every day. we owe that to the flying public and to the crew members. >> no question about that. vigilance is required all across the board here. congressman lynn westmoreland, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, sir. u.s. forces are helping in
the search for debris from the crashed egyptair flight. just today two more u.s. navy planes took off to assist in the search. this is in addition to yesterday's flight. right now i'm joined on the phone by lieutenant commander brian blashkey, he was the pilot of yesterday's flight. commander, thanks so much for being with us. these p-3 orion flights, tell us about your mission, what you saw, and what you did. >> good morning. well, yesterday we left naval air station in close coordination with the armed forces. we conducted a search in international waters looking for indications or anything that could help pinpoint the location of this missing aircraft. >> and while you were there, while you were flying, did you see anything from your flight. >> we did not. we turned up no results during our mission yesterday. >> we're just getting word over the last few minutes from greek officials via the egyptians who are also heavily involved in
this search now that they have spotted two seats, human remains, as well as a suitcase or suitcases. this area that we're told is about 180 miles north of alexandria. is that the rough area where you were searching as well? >> we were operating in the central mediterranean and the general vicinity of that area. >> how difficult is it, these missions? how difficult is it to see or to spot things on the sea's surface? >> the difficulty is very dependent mission to mission. there are so many numerous fact i don't k factors that go into it, the sea conditions, the air conditions, and the altitude. our aircraft allows us to go low which optimizes our ability to search. we had fairly good visibility on station and fairly low sea. so visual search is our primary means for something like this. >> now that debris has been
spotted and we believe definitively identified, how much easier will that make the search? will you be able to put greater focus on future missions later today and tomorrow? >> well, i would have to defer to kind of the mission planning experts that provide search and rescue mission planning services. however, anytime you're able to narrow down a search area, that improves your probability of detection. >> how much coordination, direct coordination, are you having now with other nations? again you have egypt involved, greece involved, you're taking off from italy, france heavily involved. >> i was have to refer you back to the public affairs to talk about those topics. >> how long was your mission? how long were you in the air flying over the mediterranean last night? >> we flew just under ten hours last night of which we spent just about six hours actually searching the ocean. >> wow. that's a ten-hour mission, six hours on the ocean.
again, your mission last night did not turn up anything but there is now word that debris has been spotted, including two seats, some suitcases, and some human remains as well. lieutenant commander brian blaschke, appreciate your time and appreciate your work. >> my pleasure. still to come, families of those on board face a difficult reality. we'll take a closer look at the lives lost. wrely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. here, there, everywhere. united states postal service priority: you are those made with all-beef, karen? yeah, they're hebrew national. but unlike yours, they're also kosher. only certain cuts of kosher beef meet their strict standards.
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today. a big break for investigators and heart break for the families of all those on board. the egyptian military says it has found debris from egyptair flight 804. the debris includes human remains and plane wreckage. atika shubert has more on the 66 people on board. she is in paris at charles de gaulle airport. what are you learning? >> reporter: we're learning more about the people aboard. there were 66 people on board, 56 of them passengers, 3 were children. we know a little bit more as well about the pilot and co-pilot. the pilot had 6,000 flying miles and was described as being very well trained, very disciplined. his co-pilot had about 2,000 miles as well on the same plane. so very experienced crew. as for the passengers on board, we have now got confirmation from family and from government
sources. ahmed halal was one of those on board. he was actually working in -- >> we appear to have lost atika shubert. she is at charles de gaulle talking about the 66 souls on board that flight, egyptair flight 804 that took off from paris headed to cairo and now we understand crashed in the mediterranean. i believe we have atika back. atika? >> reporter: my ifb just dropped. >> we will re-establish atika -- communication with atika when we can. we'll be right back. only t-mobile's lets you stream video and music - for free! and we doubled our lte coverage in the last year. the other guys can't say that! we got you covered. unless you have allergies. flonase is the first and only nasal spray approved to relieve both itchy, watery eyes and congestion.
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being recovered. two seats, suitcase or suitcases as well as human remains being found in the mediterranean, this from egyptian officials as well as greek officials involved with this search. this could be key in accelerating the investigation into what caused this crash. is there a connection to terrorism at this point? joining me now from washington, cnn justice correspondent evan perez. evan, obviously trying to trace who had access to this plane will be a key part of this investigation. >> reporter: that's right, john. this is a natural place for investigators to begin. we've known for some time and certainly national security officials here and in europe have known that this so-called insider threat is a major, major hole in our security system in how we secure the international aviation system. the former cia director was on "new day" this morning and he touched on this. take a listen to what he said. >> the whole focus seems to have been from avoiding terrorist
attacks on tsa and let's add more tsa people standing around as we walk through the magnetic detectors. that strikes me as perhaps not front and center of the things one needs to do. the hard thing about many aspects of law enforcement and intelligence is that you simply have to get into people's backgrounds. >> reporter: and, john, the french authorities say that there are about 85,000 people who have access to secure areas of this airport where this flight took off from, and they've been doing some work in the last few months to try to review the backgrounds of some of those people to make sure that people who have extremist backgrounds aren't able to access secure areas, so we'll see what this turned up in another review that they're going to be doing as a result of this crash. >> evan perez in washington. thanks so much. joining me now allen deal, former accident investigator and michael weiss, cnn contributor and co-author of "isis: inside
the army of terror." gentlemen, welcome to you both. as we sit here more than 36 hours after, still no claim of responsibility. still no official claim of responsibility. you have insight into that. >> well, look, it's bizarre. i have said before isis tends to claim credit for things they haven't done and after metrojet, that took about four hours for them to say, yeah, we did it and there was some confusion as to how they did it. some speculation it might have been a missile and now according to their propaganda and investigateses that have taken place we know it was a soda can bomb installed in the fuel line. look, i don't know. it could well be a different organization. it could be al qaeda in the arabian peninsula who has been working assiduously to learn how to infiltrate these international airports and build bombs that can take down airliners. you will recall when the u.s. went to war in syria purportedly just against isis we were also bombing the khorasan group which is an affiliate of al qaeda from
central asia. the reason we went after them is they were plotting to smuggle chemically laden clothing, shirts that could be detonated, ignite on board a commercial airliner to do exactly what may have happened to this plane. there's another phenomenon here as well. i keep talking about the europeanization of isis. their security structure is increasingly being led and commanded by native sons of europe. the head of their foreign intel branch is a french guy born in paris, educated in france. his wife and two kids are all french citizens. they came over to syria. he presented the plan for the paris attacks to al baghdadi and his promotion was to lead what is isis' cia. now, that is terrifying and it also is unprecedented in the history of this organization. it has always been ararab-more than bomen. people inside the west not making the migration over to the so-called caliphate but being
recruited and radicalized in their home cities. when we talk about, you know, who are the extremists who might have been working at charles de gaul gaulle, they might not have been extremists when they got hired for this job. this has been a four or five-year civil war in syria. it's brainwashed and changed the outlook of so many people, including non-muslims, frankly. many of whom are driven into the isis fold just because they're attracted to the ultra violence and the geopolitical breakdown of the middle east. >> and allen, we heard from james woolsey. he speculates this could be an inside job. listen to what wolsey said. >> i think it's still a very high probability that it is terrorists and a pretty high probability that it is an inside job in the sense that something got put in on the ground and it
could have been soft drink sized. doesn't have to be big if it's put in the right place, so the search for trying to find out what airline employees, maintenance workers, and so forth might be from the mideast, which is what the french are going through, might be something we're going to have to do something like that here in this country. >> so, allen, tell me about the levels of security involved to keep that from happening, you know, not just in paris at charles de gaulle, but here in the united states. >> well, obviously michael and the administrator are much more expert at that than i am, but we know that there's human intelligence, electronic intelligence, listening for chatter and also the preventative measures, looking at backgrounds of people boarding the aircraft, more sniffer dogs. i don't know if there were a lot
of those at paris, but there are multiple levels, and, of course, we know the reisraelis are the experts at this and we may want to visit with them to learn more about what we should be doing here in the west. >> alan, we're getting the first word of the pieces of debris being found right now in the mediterranean. two seats, a suitcase or suitcases, human remains. you've been involved in these investigations. what do these initial findings tell you? >> well, of course, the good news is they're finding the debris and the remains. bad news is that it looks like this may have broken up. suitcases came from the cargo compartment, a high likelihood. obviously the seats were in the passenger compartment. we may have a very disrupted wreckage scene on the bottom. there's also another possibility that could complicate this. if the aircraft broke up at altitude, we know about the 15,000 feet seems to be where they lost the electronic signals, those two black boxes,
recorders, are in the tail of the aircraft and if that came off, we may have multiple debris fields and, of course, the pingers are where the black boxes are, so we may be able to recover the tail section with the black boxes more quickly, but we'll still have to recover the rest of the wreckage to know if, in fact, it was either mechanical or terrorism. the black boxes will give us a large clue to that, of course. they can hear explosives. voice recorder can actually pick up explosive -- supersonic explosive waves, so good news and bad news, john. >> they now at least have a starting point having recovered the initial few pieces of debris. alan and michael, thanks so much for being with us. i appreciate it. up next, flight 804 took off from charles de gaulle airport in paris before crashing into the mediterranean. now the french interior ministry says it is time to reinforce airport security. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis,
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procedures and personnel at charles de gaulle airport in paris are under heavy scrutiny. cnn's jim bittermann just spoke with an official at the french interior ministry. jim joins me now with more. jim, what are they saying? >> reporter: well, john, they're saying basically that they're not going to wait around for the results of the investigation that's going on, that's at least started now that they've found some debris from the flight. they're not going to wait around until some cause has been established. they're going to go through the security procedures and the personnel at the airport that were in contact -- the people who were in contact with the flight before it took off just to make sure that the problem was not one of terrorists planting some kind of bomb while the plane was here in paris. there are 86,000 employees at the airport. last year they lifted 85 passes, security passes, of some of those employees because they felt they were security risks, and it's the kind of thing
they've been concerned about for some time. so the spokesman for the interior ministers told us earlier in the day that this is just a precaution they're taking, but they are going through all the records and talking to as many people as possible even before there's any determination of what was the cause of the crash. here is what he said. >> translator: of course we must take a maximum amount of precautionary measures straightaway without even waiting for the conclusions of the international investigation and without even being sure of what actually happened. we can still conduct other investigations and continue to reinforce security measures on our side. this is not only a necessity but a principle of precautionary measures. this is not a judgment nor an assumption there was a failure, but it's a way to continue as we always have done to make sure our citizens are safe. >> reporter: and, john, one other thing i should say is the french are really concerned about this image that's being
generated by the idea that the airport might have been responsible for the crash of that plane because of the fact they've got so many big sporting events coming up here, including the euro cup and the tour de france and others, and if there's still a cloud hanging over the airport and its security procedures when these events take place, it could drive away spectators and tourists. >> they're trying to get out ahead of the investigation into this crash. thanks so much. still to come, the war of words between hillary clinton and donald trump. it gets even hotter as he strikes back hard at her claim that he isn't fit to be president. cancer...
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republicans? he's showing no sign of backing down from his potential rival, hillary clinton. a lot of attacks going back and forth. >> no matter what they're talking about, attacking one another never far from the surface but the most interesting thing has been using the response to the downing of the egyptian aircraft as a window into two views that track almost identically with how they want their campaigns to be run. it's an interesting thing. hillary clinton using this to fit very nicely into her narrative that donald trump is simply not ready to be president. take a listen to what she told cnn's chris duomo. . >> i know how hard this job is and i know we need steadiness and strength and smarts in it, and i have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the united states. >> and donald trump wasting very little time firing back pointing out that hillary clinton's lack of willingness to call this terrorism, to even really weigh
in heavily on the flight before investigators come to conclusions shows weakness on her part. take a listen. >> and it's a terrible, and he sem shouldn't essentially shouldn't be running for office. i'm saying to myself what just happened about 12 hours ago? a plane got blown out of the sky. if anybody think it is wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100% wrong, folks, okay? >> john, what this really shows here is really the two views on foreign policy. donald trump willing to be quick to the trigger, get out in front, attack immediately, say what everybody was probably thinking when they saw it. hillary clinton sitting back, letting the investigators, the foreign policy hands handle things before she's willing to cast judgment. clinton's team thinks this makes her look good. you don't want to get over your skis on issues of foreign policies but it tracks with how donald trump has operated. >> this is a fight both campaigns think they're winning. phil mattingly, great to have you here with us.
thanks so much. all right. that is all for us today on "newsroom." "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> thank you so much, john. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining us right now. we are following breaking news in the search for egyptair flight 804. a major discovery at sea. the greek defense minister saying that two plane seats, a suitcase, and tragically a human body part have been found. as searchers comb an area 180 miles off of the coast of alexandria, an oil slick reportedly has been spotted in the eastern mediterranean near where they believe the jet disappeared. also this morning we're seeing pictures of the two pilots for the first time. u.s. and egyptian officials suspect the