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thanks so much. all right. that is all for us today on "newsroom." "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. this is cnn breaking news. >> thank you so much, john. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thank you for joining us right now. we are following breaking news in the search for egyptair flight 804. a major discovery at sea. the greek defense minister saying that two plane seats, a suitcase, and tragically a human body part have been found. as searchers comb an area 180 miles off of the coast of alexandria, an oil slick reportedly has been spotted in the eastern mediterranean near where they believe the jet disappeared. also this morning we're seeing pictures of the two pilots for the first time. u.s. and egyptian officials suspect the plane's demise was
the result of a terrorist act. that is the initial theory. that's where things stand at this moment. thus far as we've said, there is no claim of responsibility. we're going to be covering this like only cnn can. our justice correspondent evan perez is covering the story from washington. atika shubert is live in france at charles de gaulle airport where that flight originated and let's begin though with international diplomatic editor nic robertson. he is at an air base in greece where the search is going from. nic, what are you picking up right now? what are you hearing there about the search? >> reporter: well, we're hearing that this aircraft, a military cargo c-130, may be taking off from here shortly to go join that search effort. there is another greek c-130 cargo aircraft in the air at the moment along with a surveillance aircraft. they're helping the egyptian authorities who are on the scene. we also know there is a british naval vessel in the area of that search. we know now as well there are
several united states p-3 orion surveillance aircraft that are joining that search effort. now that some of debris has been found the defense ministry confirming what we heard from egyptian officials, that human remains has been found, two seats from the aircraft have been found, and a suitcase or suitcases have been recovered from the sea. that should aid the search of these aircraft here as they fly over, try to identify what is on the surface of the water. they'll also be using that information that we're now getting from the european space agency saying that their satellites have spotted what appears to be an oil slick on the surface of the water. this area is close to the area that's already the debris has been found in which is just southeast of where the aircraft disappeared off the radar on wednesday night/nurse mornithur morning, and we know from previous crashes that there is a likelihood when a plane goes
down, it will leak hydraulic fluid, it will leak aviation fuel. now, it's not until the aircraft can help get a more pinpoint location that ships on the surface can get to that material that's floating, that they can make a determination whether or not that is from the egyptair 804. >> absolutely, nic, but it sure does -- all indications that you're bringing to us sure do look like they are quickly being able to narrow in, more pinpoint an area where this plane may have come down. much more to follow there. nic in crete for us. nic, thank you so much. so the french interior ministry is also telling cnn right now that it is taking maximum security precautions at charles de gaulle airport. what does that look like? atika shubert is there now. what do the extra security measures look like? >> reporter: the airport has already been on its highest state of alert for several
months now, but we regularly see armed soldiers patrolling inside the terminal. there are random spot checks of passengers with bags, and earlier today there was one bag people weren't sure where it belonged, and so they quickly moved people out of the area to check it. so it is very high security here, but the airport authorities here have said they're going to add even more. in fact, today they announced they will add on an extra 30 extra intelligence officers. they will be deployed as of the beginning of june. that's on top of the 5,700 security agents already inside the terminals patrolling. so this is one of the most secure airports in europe, but nothing is 100%. what they're really focused on here is less on the passengers but more on the backdoor vulnerabilitie vulnerabilities. what about the personnel who have access to restricted areas? >> we know there are 85,000 employees with so-called red badges. this is what gives them access to restricted areas, but in
order to get that red badge, you need to have a police check. you need to be screened again, and then just like you and i might get into an airplane where we are checked for liquids and laptops, they go through those checks too. so it is a pretty tight ship here. >> atika, thank you very much. let's discuss all of this right now with daniel rose, an aviation attorney, phillip mud, miles o'brien, also a pilot, and les abend, a 777 captain. thank you very much for joining me. miles, to the news that we -- it is grim news to be reporting but important news to discuss. the debris they believe they have found, human remains, seats, one or two suitcases. what does that tell you right now? >> well, it's a reminder of what a tragedy this all is first and foremost, but the initial debris
here is as important as anything for helping find the main part of the wreckage beneath the sea. knowing where it is, knowing the drift patterns, and knowing how long it's been in the water, you can backtrack to the point of impact pretty closely, and so without too much time i think, it should be fairly quick before they'll have ships on station at a location that is pretty close to where the impact was, and they can put sonar listening devices in the water to listen for the pinging noise that the black boxes make and that's where the real answers lie. in the meantime, additional wreckage that might surface could offer some clues as well. >> les, yesterday as we were speaking, you were still holding out that this could be technical. the initial theory as they're describing it from u.s. officials and others is that they think it is terror, that the suspicion is it was a bomb on board. what's happened? what have you seen in the last 24 hours that swayed you one way or another on the cause of all this? >> really at this point there's
no information or evidence that would prove or disprove any particular theory, so, you know, i'm still standing by the possibility that maybe it is a mechanical or technical problem that occurred, catastrophic failure as i have discussed before. you know, this is an airplane that was out of control at some point in time and there was a catastrophic event that occurred to get it to that point, but, you know, what got it to that point, you know, it's hard to say and it's anybody's best guess, but all that floating debris may provide us evidence in addition to the gruesome aspect of the human remains may be able to tell if there was an explosive device in lungs and so on and so forth. an autopsy might be able to go there. in addition, there was reference to an oil slick. >> yes. >> that's kind of interesting. it's a fluid slick as far as i'm concerned because is it hydraulic, is it fuel, or is it oil? >> does that matter? >> yeah. and i think it does from the standpoint of if it's oil, there's not a lot of oil in a
modern-day jet engine. it's very little, so you're not going to see a lot. fuel is the biggest quantity out there. if it's not a fuel spill and you don't see -- that would indicate that it broke apart in the air because there wouldn't be a lot of fuel and it just vaporized in flight or broke up in flight so you wouldn't see that. so that might say something right there if you're not seeing fuel and you're seeing maybe hydraulic fluid which is more than oil. >> that's fascinating. phil, leaning on your expertise, if you're in your old post at the cia, what are you doing? >> first, i would go toe to toe with u.s. officials on this. there is no theory if you're sitting in the chair. there are facts. what you're going is checking the flight manifest, the nonot looking tt databases but looking at the postings to say did something happen in terms of their interest and support for a
militant organization. that's looking for the communications you might get out of syria or libya or iraq or some level of isis or even al qaeda in a place like yemen who has been involved in operations like this. that's talking to detainees, folk, from the brussels and paris attacks, going through authorities in belgium and france to say do they know anything about this? there's a lot of work beyond what's going on on the scene to determine whether something happened right now. i don't have a theory, and i find it surprising that u.s. officials say they do. we don't know what happened here. >> i think that's why everyone was -- has been very hesitant and kind of head scratching about this even terminology and initial theory and a suspicion but regardless that is what we're picking up. dan, the families. everyone, of course, thinks of the families after this, but when this news comes out, the grim news that human remains was found, that really drives home the tragedy, the tragic factor of this as miles puts it. what do the families do right now other than wait desperately? what do they need? >> well, what they need is
support. they get that primarily from the families, of course, but the airlines should be there. the countries should be there to support them. they should have that infrastructure to rely on, but they also want answers. i mean, you know, a lot of what we're talking about today here is the same thing going on in their minds and they want to know what happened, why it happened, and, you know, that's going to provide some modicum of closure at some point down the road, but right now, you know, it's really the acceptance phase, trying to deal with denial, and getting them on to the next step. >> a lot more to discuss so stick around with me if you could. much more to discuss on these new details have they have been coming in and will continue to come in throughout the hour. our breaking news continues, debris, personal items, human remains found from egyptair flight 804. two seats, suitcases, as we've discussed and terror remains an early theory. ahead we will speak with senator lindsey graham about what he is hearing about the investigation,
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continue to follow breaking news. debris from egyptair flight 804 has been located according to greek officials, including parts of the aircraft, passenger belongings, and even human remains. this as the u.s. is continuing to offer help and support in this search effort for actually locating the plane and what brought that plane out of the sky. let's bring in cnn's justice correspondent evan perez for much more on this. evan, what are you picking up? how is the u.s. helping in the search right now? >> reporter: we know, for instance, that the u.s. military is now flying p-3 surveillance aircraft over the area to help in the search. they are trying to help find the wreckage and then most importantly to try to find these data boxes because that's really the key here to try to solve this mystery. but behind the scenes there's also a lot of other work being done. we know that the u.s. intelligence community is looking at satellites. they're looking at radar.
they're trying to get images that are being shared perhaps by other countries in the region, the allies like israel, for instance, which has a lot of coverage of this region and behind the scenes here in washington and elsewhere, we have u.s. intelligence analysts who are building dossiers essentially on everybody who had anything to do with this aircraft. we know, for instance, that they already have the names of the people who are on the plane's manifest, the 66 people, including the 56 passengers and the 10 crew members. what they want to do is certainly get to know as much as possible about these people, to see if there's anything recently that might have turned up that will show some association with any islamists or radical groups that would raise the type of concern for investigators. again, this is something that is done routinely in these types of cases. it doesn't mean that they believe that any of these people had anything to do with this, but simply because they don't have the wreckage, this is where you begin, and it's a way for to you make sure that you cross off
all the possibilities if there is a terrorist angle to this crash, kate. >> you can have these investigations going on on parallel tracks. you have to exhaust every possibility as they're trying to figure out what happened and do it urgently. etch, thank y evan, thank you so much. evan will continue to work his sources. let's continue the discussion with paul cruickshank. paul, it's great to see you. as this has all played out over the last 24 hours, i am reminded that you have especially in the recent past talked a lot about the clear desire of terror groups to get bombs on planes. when you see something like this happen, yes, it is early, there's no concrete evidence, but terror is an initial theory that folks are working with. what is the gap right now between the desire for terror groups to get bombs on planes and the state of the art
technology to stop that from happening, the methods that are in place at major airports around the world? >> well, kate, the good news part of the story is the state of the art technology is actually really good at dete detecting bombs. we're talking about multiview x-ray machines with a lot of resolution, talking about etd, those swabs they use at the airport to see if even the minutest amount of explosive residue is on our clothes or bags. there's a layered security system in place in airport in the united states, in europe, in the developed world which is difficult to beat. but at the same time terrorist groups, notably al qaeda in yemen, are constantly innovating trying to come up with new ways to beat these machines. the master bombmaker developing new generation of shoe bombs, underwear devices. the group even experimenting according to recent intelligence with surgically implanting bombs into human beings. so there's this technological
arms race between the terrorists on the one side and people working explosive detection on the other. isis hasn't developed the same kind of sophisticated devices yet that al qaeda has. it's been relying on recruiting insiders at airports, and that's how it managed to take down that russian airliner back in october. >> that's one of the weak links obviously that exist in airports that they're also looking into as a possibility, of course. if it is terror, does it surprise you that there has been no claim of responsibility yet? >> yes, it does surprise me. i mean, we're about 40 hours into this event at this point. to give you a point of comparison, when that metrojet went down over the sinai peninsula in october, an attack which was the responsibility of isis in the sinai, the group claimed that attack within just five hours. isis is very trigger happy when it comes to claiming attacks. in the last 40 hours it's claimed all sorts of other
operations and attacks in the middle east and elsewhere, but there's been a deafening silence from isis on this particular attack, and that certainly is very, very notable for people working in counterterrorism because it's in the interests of these terrorist groups to bask in the, quote, unquote glory of launching these kind of attacks. this would be a big, big break through from isis to down a plane leaving from charles de gaulle airport, one of the airports with the best security anywhere in the world. it would be a huge achievement, and it really would be a warring moment for the west. so we have to wait and see. no solid evidence as you were saying that this is terrorism. there may be some other explanation. it may not be terrorism at all. but one other data point, al qaeda has historically taken a bit longer to claim responsibility for attacks, notably the attempt on that somali airliner. it took 11 days for them to put out a statement but that was a failed attack. for a successful attack, you
would expect something out by now, and we just haven't got that yet. >> it's an important thing to keep in mind. i know that you are. paul, thank you very much. great to see you. thank you. so ahead for us, more on the search for egypt air flight 804 and also -- and, of course, what forced that plane out of the sky. we're going to speak to senator lindsey graham. we're going to talk to him about the investigation, the initial suspicion fm u.s. officials that it was -- that that plane was taken down by a bomb. the initial theory that this was terrorism. we'll get his take coming up. a. the surface pro is very intuitive. i can draw lightly, just like i would with a real pencil. i've been a forensic artist for over 30 years. i do the composite sketches which are the bad guy sketches. you need good resolution, powerful processor because the computer has to start thinking as fast as my brain does. i do this because i want my artwork to help people.
egyptair flight 804. officials in greece have announced investigators found human remains, an airplane seat, luggage, other debris. investigators also discovering what they believe could be a possible oil slick in the area. that coming from the european space agency, but questions surrounding the crash still remain unanswered and the initial theory from u.s. officials, terrorism. joining me now is republican senator lindsey graham who serves on the senate armed services committee. he's also a former republican presidential candidate, of course. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> so egyptair, the flight, what are you hearing? what is your gut? >> well, really, we haven't been briefed, at least intel people but i doubt that the average member of congress has been briefed. i have met with the egyptian ambassador yesterday and passed on my condolences if it is terrorism and nobody knows. there's no use to guess. but the first question i have is who did it and what kind of capability do they bring to the fight because you're no stronger
than your weakest link when it comes to flying and, you know, loading an airplane with luggage and food. but they made multiple stops, so the question i would have is what kind of capability did they possess because this is a fairly sophisticated thing to do. >> and as you said, if it is terrorism, you have got a lot more questions and it has huge implications for the world we live in right now and that is something that you speak directly about all the time, the threat of terrorism and what that means both abroad and here at home. it's something that the next president is going to have to deal with. something that you talked about on the campaign trail very much. you talked recently about isis, about the threat of terror with donald trump when you spoke to him on the phone. even the phone call surprised a lot of people, that you would gets on the phone with him. surprised me. you called it pleasant. with all of this in mind, i wonder, i want to talk about the foreign policy position, but just having the call with him and what you spoke with him about, are you warming to donald trump? >> well, i'll talk to him. i mean, we have major differences when it comes to
immigration and i think he's taken the party down a road that i choose not to go, but he's got a 50/50 chance of being president of the united states. he did an amazing thing. he beat me and 16 other people. the bottom line is he wanted to pick my brain about isil. the threat -- look at isil as a threat to the homeland. look at it as a threat to the region. how do you protect us from isil? the more you can disrupt their operations, the smaller you can make the group. they're large, they're rich, they're entrenched. i want to make them small, poor, and on the run, and i talked about the iranian influence in damascus through assad, that we have two challenges in syria, and syria is the cancer of the middle east. you cannot give damascus to the iranians by keeping assad in power. the arabs won't accept that. and if you don't deal with isil, they're going to hit us here. >> that is a very important point you're making especially right now. it seems while you talked about that with donald trump, he says he disagrees with you on that point. he talked about you just this
morning. he was on "morning joe" and he said specifically on the point of the u.s. approach to isis in syria, he disagrees with you. he would stay out of syriaen. here is what donald trump said. >> we have iran and we hav russia totally on the side of assad, and that's not the reason i stay out necessarily, but certainly it's a complicating factor, but we have them totally on the side of assad. we have to knock the hell out of isis and if we are going after assad and isis and they're fighting each other, people are going to say what the hell are we doing? >> so, senator, this speaks to a broader foreign policy. this speaks to a broader foreign policy view. from what you hear, do you think he is ready to be commander in chief? >> well, we can disagree about, you know, ted cruz said it's okay to leave assad in power. i respectfully disagree. assad is the magnet for
recruitment. he's a proxy of the iranians. the sunni arab states, saudi arabia and others are not going to accept assad staying in power. isil uses assad as a recruiting tool. here is what i would say to mr. trump. if you leave assad in power, then you're expanding the iranian influence, which is not in our interest and the war in syria never ends because the 250,000 people that have been killed have family members. they'll never accept assad staying in power and being president even of a portion of syria. >> but if you completely disagree with what he just said and his approach, what does that say to his readiness in your mind to be commander in chief? as you said, there's a 50/50 shot here. >> but he does make a good point. russia and iran have doubled down for assad. what i would do is look at isil as germany and assad as japan. i would get the arab world to do most of the fighting because it's in your interest to destroy
eye isil as well as ours but we'll have to put military pressure on the assad regime. i don't thinkussia will go to war to keep assad in power. the big mistake obama made was drawing a red line against assad. he crossed it, he used chemical weapons, he's still standing. the russians saw that as weakness and when they intervened, it made syria much more complicated. you will never end the war in syria if you leave assad in power. the syrian people won't accept it. the arabs won't accept it and isil is a direct threat to our homeland. >> this is why i'm pushing you on this because i look back at things you said in the debates and what you said when you came out and you said you will not vote for him as president. you said that -- you've said he clearly doesn't understand the war against isis and how to win it. he said reagan would be rolling over in his grave. you said that he does not have the temper am to serve as commander in chief. do you stick by that? >> well, my criticism has been wide and it's been deep, but we
did have a good conversation. he asked good questions and i think he's reconsidering a little bit about what to do in syria. i don't know if hillary clinton -- what will hillary clinton do different than president obama? president obama has no strategy to destroy isil. >> right now do you think donald trump is more qualified to be commander in chief than hillary clinton? >> well, at the end of the day that's up to the american people. what i see is a failed strategy under president obama that's pretty much been adopted by -- >> senator, you are not a man to mince words. why is it uncomfort when i ask that question? >> it is uncomfortable to say that somebody is not qualified who beat you. so the bottom line is the american people need to choose wisely. what will hillary clinton do different than barack obama? the people we're training in syria will never be able to take raqqah back from isil because they're kurds, they're not arabs. so the strategy to destroy the caliphate inside of syria is a false strategy. it's crippling and hurting isil, but it will not destroy isil, and hillary clinton and barack obama seem to have no strategy
at all when it comes to iran. they basically dominate four arab capitals and the arabs are tired of this. >> what was your gut reaction when you heard that donald trump said he would have no problem talking to kim jong-un. >> big mistake because every other dictator in the world is going to look at you differently. the last thing you want to do is empower this guy in north korea. donald is right to say that china is the key to north korea but i think it would be a mistake for the president of the united states to meet directly with this butcher. i would focus on china, and to mr. trump, you better come up with a strategy in syria. to hillary clinton, you better come up with a strategy different than we have today or we're going to get attacked. this airliner if it is terrorism should be a wake-up call. my big fear is that they're coming here. the longer they stay in power, the more land they control, the more fighters they recruit, the more likely we're going to get
hit, and my goal would be to destroy this caliphate sooner rather than later and i don't see a plan to do it coming from anybody, quite frankly. >> do you think -- you said very clearly you don't know if it's terror yet. >> i don't. >> do you think donald trump and hillary clinton jumped the gun by saying it looks like terror? >> i think if i had to guess it would be terrorism but i don't see where we benefit guessing because this is too important. i just want to get back to my message here. i have always said that we needed more capability on the ground in iraq and syria. 8,000 to 10,000 american troops in iraq helping the iraqis. 8,000 to 10,000 american troops helping a large regional army in syria. we don't have that. >> donald trump says he wouldn't be in iraq either. >> that would be a mistake. iraq is a safe haven for isil. he asked really good questions. i must say he reached out, number one, and i was glad to talk to him. to destroy isil you have to take
the land away from them, and you have to look with who you have to work with. the iraqis do not have the ability by themselves to take mosul back which is a city of almost a million people. to mr. trump and hillary clinton, it is in our national security interests not only to destroy isil but to hold the territory after they're destroyed so they don't come back. that means we have to have some presence over there to keep them from coming here. >> you have a lot more work ahead for you on that front if you want to get donald trump to listen to you, at least it sounds like that today. can you give me your assessment on what's happening on the democratic side? when we talk about vitriol in a primary and it being a bloody and brutal primary, we think of the republican primary that you know so well. when you saw what happened in nevada it convention, barbara boxer coming on saying she feared for her safety, and folks afterwards saying bernie sanders is hurting hillary clinton by staying in the race, do you think that's true? >> i don't know if he's hurting hillary clinton, but if i was a bernie sanders supporter, i would be pretty upset.
there's no excuse for violence. you have to channel your energy in a proper fashion but when you win a primary by 13 and 15 points and you pick up 5 delegat delegates, what kind of system is that? he's going to end up winning 19 of the last 25 contests and he seems to be making no progress toward becoming the nominee. they'll probably come together. i don't know. we've got our problems inside the republican party, but i tell you this division in the democratic party worries me as an american. i can see a version of the tea party being formed in the democratic party from the left going after moderate democrats who won't toe the line toward a socialist agenda and you're going to wind up not being able to do anything. if the democratic party begins to declare war on their more moderate, centrist candidates through the bernie mechanism, then how do you ever solve any problem inside of congress?
that's a real concern of mine and you see that split beginning to emerge. >> senator, it's always great to have you. really, really appreciate it. a lot more to discuss, but senator, we don't have all day so thank you very much for your time. still ahead, family members of the passengers of 804 are in a desperate wait for concrete answers of what happened to their loved ones. their stories ahead. i'm terrible at golf. he is. people say i'm getting better. no one's ever said that. but i'd like to keep being terrible at golf
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grim but important details. let's bring back our panel. everyone is back here with me as well as we have a very important prop but les seems to be hogging it, the black box. speaking of the black box, when are we really going to start getting answers? you have some thoughts on that. >> these investigations incompetent t typically have three stages. when you start to get your first clues, for example a claim, some sort of comment by an isis or al qaeda person, some sort of indication that something happened in the cockpit, information will explode, and then the third phase after that speculative, then the information explosion, you start to center on the real cause. by the end of the weekend we should start to have some indication. if we don't have a claim by then, that's a clue. if we have no indication anybody ever had contact with anybody, that's a clue.
i'd say another 24, 48 hours we should have some idea what happened here. >> miles, when it comes to the insider threat, i think you and others have described it as the weakest link, all the access folks have to the plane. how real is the threat in a major airport of an insider threat like that? >> the reporting this morning is there are 86,000 people who have a security clearance to be on the ramp or on the other side of the security perimeter at charles de gaulle. that's a huge thing to manage, and it's a very -- you know, when you think about that number of people having that kind of access to the ramps -- >> what about the redundancy. the sweeping of the plane every time it lands -- >> that's why we don't have this more often, frankly, because there is a lot of that. but the european airports by all accounts are stricter than the u.s. airports frankly and we've had gun running out of atlanta
hartsfield involving workers. the security we don't see is the security we should be focused on. that's the achilles' heel right now. >> les, you're a 777 captain. if you're flying into cdg today, what's the conversation you're having? >> the conversation we're having is, you know, is safety related normally, doing our job. >> first and foremost. >> end of story there, but related to security, i mean, that's already been provided for us on departure. i feel very comfortable in the states, and honestly in charles de gaulle, i used to fly in and out of paris all the time, that was a safe place. it was the last place in the world that i would think that something could be infiltrated, but, you know, we all talk about the weakest link and, you know, where is that weakest link? but there's a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes and we should be reassuring the public for the most part getting on an airplane is still a safe bet, more so than getting out here on the west side highway. that doesn't necessarily make
people feel any better, but it's statistically the truth. but at the end of the day -- >> miles, you can take that later. don't worry. >> at the end of the day i think we all have to be cognizant of our surroundings and be situationally aware. just as quick example, flight attendants are the best people for security on board the airplane. somebody gets on in the middle of july in miami with a parka, that kind of says something. so, you know, in a way after 9/11, we've become more alert, you know, in that particular venue, but at the same token, you can't cover everything. and what's going on behind the scenes we can only hope, you know, phil can refer to this, there's some type of eye-to-eye contact and other type of behavioral sciences that's being exercised to keep us safe. >> of course, this is a conversation that's all while there still aren't concrete answers, all pieces of the
puzzle that everyone is trying to fit together as we wait to try -- they try to recover the black boxes to really start getting some of those answers. what is the biggest question outlying for you, dan, right now as they are combing the water. they're looking for more debris, looking for black boxes, checking the backgrounds of all these passengers. what's the biggest outlier for you? >> clearly the focus is on what happened. everybody wants to know the answer to that. in terms of what is the outlier, you know, i think that if we don't hear some claim of terrorism or untoward conduct, you know, that becomes more of a focus on a mechanical issue with the aircraft. but there's a lot of explanations that are still in play, and, you know, we're going to have to wait it out. as everybody here says, you know, we're going to get the information sooner rather than later. everything is lined up so that we can. the black box will -- it's orange actually -- will provide
the information and, you know, i'm pretty confident that experts -- >> no matter what the answer is, they will start coming sooner rather than later. gentlemen, thank you very, very much. thanks for walking through it with us right now. so investigators do face the monumental task of attempting to identify and recover crucial crash evidence potentially two miles down in the mediterranean sea.
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efforts. before, when you're looking at the mediterranean sea, i feel like the last time we were on a map together, it was talking on mh 370. zen searching the mediterranean. >> the mediterranean is a smaller body of water and it is heavily trafficked. if you did a great map of this area, there's basically not an area on the mediterranean that a boat doesn't travel within a year of travel. so lots and lots of traffic. it's not a remote location. if you do, it's 300 miles across to greece from egypt. so not thousands and thousands of miles. so a much smaller geographical area to search. >> still challenges though when you look for this. and we were showing on rov is what we popped up on the screen f. you watch the underwater operation, what are you doing? how are you using rov? >> well, the rov is going to go to the bottom and recover items from the bottom. but preliminary, before we can get into the rov, actually
man-driven from the boat with a manipulator arms and cutting tools and whatever pay load you do the work, it's a physically working vehicle. the primary thing is before you can do that, you're going to look for it and map it out. >> that's what we look at here. >> yes. think of it as an archaeological dig. you have to map it out first. >> absolutely. >> it runs a path of survey and takes a picture of everything there and have a topographical map of all the areas and the debris. >> what do you make of this oil slick from the fuel? this kind of liquid that they're reported to have seen. what does that mean for you? >> it happens a lot from boats. so it's not as definitive of a find, but it is a good indicator that it could be possibly from the plane. jet fuel is very light. it's not like bunker oil that comes out. it comes out and evaporates quickly.
they can sample it and tell you if it's jet fuel versus diesel fuel. it will help narrow down the search because it's coming from someplace and it doesn't get far. >> a lot of questions. all kind of leaning on your expertise of what they're going to find in the urgent search for the black boxes. >> you also indicate the drift of the oil will indicate where it's coming from. the wind driven. it's coming from this way and you can follow it back up current. >> thank you very much. i really appreciate it. still ahead for us, officials at charles degal airport, possible insights, threats at europe's second largest airport. we're going to take you there live. my son and i used to watch the red carpet shows on tv
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flight 804 that continues right now with "legal view" with ashleigh banfield. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "legal view." daylight is fading. now in eastern mediterranean. but a long day of searching for the remains of egypt air flight 804. apparently have yielded something. egyptians saying they have found airplane debris. aircraft seats. suitcases and human body parts in those waters that are roughly 180 miles north of alexandria. a military spokesperson saying, quote, searching, sweeping, and retrieval are under way. separately, the european space agency says a satellite image of hearing to show a