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thank you so much for joining us, have a great weekend. see you back here monday. ac 360 with john berman starts right now. good evening, john berman here in for anderson. we begin with breaking news in the crash of egyptair flight 804. smoke warnings and computerized cries of a sick and dying airliner. messages from the automated data link, called acar. ordinarily they're routine. in this case, they're dying. each spells failure, in the lek tal window heater, sensor failure, smoke in the lavatory. smoke in avionics. and most ominously, trouble in the flight control computers that keep airbuses lying. we will talk about equipment failure and sabotage to some bomb or incendiary device.
first, how the day unfolded starting in the search area. day two of intense search and recovery operation over the mediterranean sea. a european space agency satellite may have picked up the biggest clue on flight 804's location so far, a mile long oil slick in the water around the area where the plane dropped off the radar. too early to tell if this is from the missing plane. search crews are investigating. also, possible debris picked up by the egyptian military. personal belongings and aircraft parts, including seats were recovered from the water along with human remains. that's according to egyptian authorities. until the plane is found and blacks boxes recovered, why the plane crashed will remain largely unknown. >> we cannot make any speculation for the time being because there's no evidence of any proof whether this is one thing or the other. >> still, u.s. officials believe
terrorism is the likely cause, though no group has claimed responsibility for bringing down the plane. investigators are looking into what, if any, role the crew may have had in the plane's disappearance. there were ten crew members on board. the captain had a good reputation as a pilot with more than 6,000 flying hours. his co-pilot mohamed mamdouh assem had 2700 hours of flight time. his uncle described him as a kind person with a sense of humor. >> i would say he was the only one throwing smiles -- very much unfortunate. >> at this mosque in cairo, a prayer service for the dead. this grieving man says he lost four relatives on board the flight. 66 people in total were on the plane, the passengers from a
dozen countries around the world, though most are egyptian and french. family members met with egyptair officials who say they're still in the process of notifying next of kin. >> more on the final two or three minutes of messages from the doomed airbus, what they could be saying. we will explore leading theories with our panel of experts in a moment. joining us, cnn's evan perez who is hearing from his sources about exactly that. evan, what are they telling you? >> john, there's not much they can tell just from these messages. it does indicate there was some catastrophic failure, but the fact the plane is at the bottom of the sea in the mediterranean, we already knew that. what they're doing is looking at the messages to see if perhaps they might indicate a bomb. and really, we can't tell that from this. you can't tell whether or not this was sabotage, can't tell whether or not there was a fire caused by something going wrong with the mechanical parts of the aircraft. they really just can't tell from that. >> what about the possibility of
ruling anything out at this point, can they do that? >> no. one of the things that happens, if this was a fire that started from mechanical failure, the belief is that the pilots would have had time to radio in something was wrong on the aircraft. we have seen that in cases where a plane caught fire because of something going wrong inside. fires would tend to burn a little more slowly. at least one of those things, seems less likely. does not mean that something mechanical didn't cause a sudden catastrophic failure, so they're still not ruling that part out, john. >> so many questions. evan perez, thanks so much. we have messages from the acar system and almost real time account of a string of failures on board. they do not by any means tell the entire story and certainly support a wide range of possibilities. let's bring in the panel. cnn aviation analyst miles o'brien, mary schiavo currently
an attorney representing victims of transition accidents, cnn safety analyst, former faa accident investigator, david soucie, and aviation correspondent richard quest. richard, you're far away, i will start with you. what do acar messages tell you? >> they tell us a rough location for whatever was happening, they give indication of the seriousness in the sense that clearly the avionics bay was involved, they put on the table possibility of smoke, that means fire, whether electronics, mechanical or a bomb. we know there was an element of smoke and fire involved. and if you then extrapolate and superimpose that on the time line, you start to see the urgency. throw in the factor that you have no warning from the crew, you can start to say either they were incapacitated because the
radios weren't working or they were overwhelmed. so it tells us nothing about the cause, but these are crucial pieces of the jigsaw that are helping to form the total picture, john, without actually having the black boxes. they're crucial because we are narrowing down those areas of significance. >> raises a provocative range of possibilities for sure. miles, what about the acar data. when you match it up with how we believe it was moving, 90 degree turn to the left, 360 turn to the right. any matchup there? >> what we are seeing is a plane with a lot of problems very quickly, perhaps rapid decompression, perhaps fire, perhaps both. what's the crew suppose to do in that situation, get down from 37,000 feet down to about 10,000 feet where people can breathe
air, which is what happened. you turn off the airway, 90 degrees, which they did. left turn. and down they went. that's standard operating procedure. that's a crew battling, working a problem. one thing this does, it removes any hint of implication of the crew at this point. takes it low down the list that it was a rogue pilot. >> because they're doing what they should be doing. >> what it appears, they had a huge problem and are working the problem. >> david soucie, any possibility, we don't know if there was a fire what caused that fire. what are the range of possibilities it was clearly mechanical. no nefarious activity here. >> there are things make me suspicious it might be that, and the reason is a lot of history with these particular windows with their heat. heat going to the windows, it is a very, very thick window, has a layer of gold inside it, that's the conductor that creates heat and keeps windows from icing up at minus 40 degrees.
some of these windows had problem with delamination, which creates a charge that can build up over time, cause cracks or problems in windows. there's a history of this. not significant history, a safe situation, just sometimes they fail. that makes me suspect, makes me suspect it was just mechanical failure and the fact it started with a sliding window, one of the first reports, then seems to have propagated from that, got worse as time went on, and we will go through that in a bit. i think that indicates that it doesn't rule out nefarious activity started there. >> that's what i was going to ask mary. what in this evidence data that we have now, the data dump, what indicates it could be some type of explosion? >> well, i any what indicates it could be that, not necessarily is that, but could be that, is the speed at which it occurred and it involved more than one system. david is right. there have been so many, every plane has a number of directives
and things can go wrong, overheat, cause problems. here we have a number of systems and things going wrong in a short period of time. at most, three to four minutes before the plane drops from radar, and so much that the pilots could not respond or were not able to get a call out, and i think it looks like in terms of prior accidents or prior crashes or prior bombings, it looks like a case of not pan am 103 or twa 100 which was a fuel tank explosion, not a bombing, but more likely pan am 830 and twa 840 in which it was an incomplete bombing, attempted bombing but didn't blast the plane out of the sky, caused damage and harmed the plane. that would be the scenario for nefarious activity. >> enough to cause damage, start a fire, not instant catastrophe. but mary, had it been an innocent fire, it might have given enough time for pilots to
call in and say what was going on? >> well, it has in other, i go back to other crashes, other activities or incidents or plane disasters. i worked on swiss air 111, which was a fire in the entertainment system, and i worked on value jet 20 years ago almost to the day this month. and in those cases they were able to get out may day calls, tell air traffic controllers they were on fire, in the case of value jet completely on fire, and the fire burned through the control systems, but that then caused a change in laws in aircraft manufacturing. now we have smoke and fire suppression systems. >> stand by. a lot more to talk about. we will look at the airbus which in normal circumstances is an engineering marvel. we will show you up close the pieces and parts so you can see
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breaking news, electronic smoke alerts broadcast from egyptair 804, along with reports that other systems on board were failing. it helps to see what we have been talking about, which is why i am here at the magic wall with david soucie and miles o'brien. talking about the acar system on the airbus 320. where is it located here? >> the aircraft communications addressing and reporting system, acars, all you need to know is it is live streaming important information about systems to the maintenance people. for the pilot's perspective, it is here, these are flight management input systems, the box is beneath it here in the avionics bay. this gives them the acars if they want to see it, typically you don't bother with it because it is there for maintenance. that's not their bailiwick. this is to be sure when it lands, they can turn the plane around. >> hardly look at it in normal circumstances. got five or six data points with acars. explain where each point is on
the aircraft. >> the first warning we see in the report is from the back window. this back window started to get a report saying it is bad. following that, another report saying it wasn't just the anti-ice, it was the window failed, which would imply some breach. the next report we got is in the compartment, the other one behind there where the lavatory system says smoke in the lavatory. final one is smoke in the -- excuse me, wasn't final, the final was this window failed. this is all within a minute and a half. >> basically under here, the avionics bay, electronics under the cockpit is a big area under here where they're all sitting. the lavatory is here. it is all in the same basic area. >> exactly. >> miles, keep seeing the most dire warning, the most dire warning was the last two. yes, smoke in these places but
there's a major failure here as well. >> it is important to know about the airbus system. there are hundreds of computers on here making it fly. the human being is just part of the system. the computers are doing the flying. what happened was the flight control units, and there are several, began to fail. they're in the avionics bay. then we don't know why or how, on the same circuit or bus, one of the spoiler systems, and that's when you land an aircraft, notice the boards come up to slow the aircraft down. that indicated a failure there. how you connect the dots between these things we don't know except to say things were happening very quickly and if you had some sort of explosion or fire in that avionics bay, a lot of systems in different places could be effected. >> can it fail completely and send bad info? >> sure. there's a lot of redundancy, but a lot of stuff clustered in one spot. >> i want to bring in the rest
of the panel. richard, nothing conclusive can be drawn from the acars messages, but i want you to match the initial suspicion, initial theory that it could be terror related. put the idea of terror on the data points. how do they match? >> of course they match in the sense that you have some sort of incendiary device. while we have been talking, my blackberry, still using one of these contraptions, my blackberry is filling up with a 320 pilots and captains what they think the points mean, taking on board what miles has been saying and listening carefully to that. what they're saying is basically the same thing. individually each one of these pieces is not necessarily
significant, the flight computer unit is taken over by fcu 1 with limited degradation. and losing that is not catastrophic, but look at where all of this is. it is in the brains of the aircraft. the ene bay, avionics bay. that's what's significant. you literally have a crisis at the brain of the aircraft, that's why what's happening here, whether terror related or related to mechanical or fire is so significant. could it be terror, absolutely. don't forget, how you get in the ene bay on the 320, you do it externally. there's a hatch outside the aircraft from underneath the aircraft that gives you access to that ene bay. >> sets me up perfectly for my
question for mary schiavo if there was some explosion or device placed on board, how would it get there, when would it get there. richard was saying, you can point to it here, the only way to get to this area as richard explains is from the outside before the flight takes off, correct? >> correct. and but you could get to it at any of the stops the plane made that day if the searches and security sweeps were not thorough and complete, and if they did not do a security sweep in the electronics bay which is not always part of the sweep. not necessarily paris, could have been put on various times, but would have to have a careful triggering device, would have to be a timer in conjunction if not in paris with a more sophisticatedal tim iter. >> are the areas swept, do they sweep in the electronics bay when the plane is on the ground? >> i don't know for a fact. if you're sweeping a plane, that
would be one of the things you would look at, absolutely. >> david soucie, talking about the possibility, but as we said the lavatory is here toward the front. if somehow you were able to get a soda can explosive device, which we saw over sinai, if you set something ablaze there, could something small like that cause all these problems? >> it could. what i'm worried about, what doesn't make sense about this so far in that scenario of terror is that it started with this window. started with the window. didn't start with the smoke alarm. that was a minute later after the window gave the signal that the smoke alarms below and in the lavatory started. >> only raises more questions. we have no answers. we have new data. that will be analyzed in the next few days. panel, thanks so much for being with us. a lot more to talk about ahead, more breaking news, new steps at charles de gaulle airport to tighten security. new details how long egyptair
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tonight's breaking news, newly obtained flight data showing smoke alerts aboard egyptair flight 804 before it crashed into the mediterranean. the new information adds more mystery. and the word that more intelligence officers will be on the ground the charles de gaulle airport, the point of takeoff for the flight bound to cairo. atika shubert joins me with new details. this airport has one of the strictest security systems in place already, and it has been heightened in the last year, heightened again. are you seeing changes since yesterday? >> reporter: exactly. what we often see here are these units of armed soldiers that kind of do these patrols through the terminal. there are increased spot-checks on passengers here, but on top of that airport authorities say
they will be adding 30 intelligence agents in a few weeks, sort of patrol the terminals, that's on top of 5700 security agents already here. so there's a significant step up insecurity, yes. >> i want to be precise. after the november attacks there were dozens of workers that had red badges that provide access to restricted areas, had red badges taken away. only 12 were fired. the rest can still work at the airport, atika? >> yeah, what we need to be careful about is why they had badges revoked. to get a red badge, you need to be cleared by police. what airport authorities did after the charlie hebdo attacks, they went back and said is there anybody that might have sympathy for isis or radical islamist groups. doesn't mean they're a qualified member of any terror organization, it means would
they be vulnerble to influence. anyone considered to be that had their badges revoked. they may have been put in another position that didn't give access to secure areas of the airport. to be sure, this will undergo court review, they couldn't fire people, it had to be reviewed by an independent body. i have to add on top of that, they also rejected 600 from getting security badges because of criminal records, petty crime and so forth. it is a stringent review process, but consider that the service to half million flights that come out of here, there are 80,000 employees that need access to restricted areas. that's a lot of people to screen, john. >> a lot of numbers to discuss. atika shubert. thank you so much. very interesting subject matter. we will talk about it. david soucie is back, joining the conversation, national security analyst and former
secretary julie cayenne, and phil mud, senior official at the fbi and cia. atika was listing out numbers. big one, 80,000 work at charles de gaulle airport. that's a lot of people. you drill down more, 12 people were fired, couldn't get their red badge back. others had their badge removed but still work at the airport. from a security standpoint, is all of this cause for concern? >> look, let's have a reality check. this is not 80 thoirks people, this is belgium, italy, spain. multiply 80,000 by going into north america and north africa. to believe you can undergo valid security checks at some level for that number of people is misleading. when i joined the cia, nine months. polygraph, talked to my family, neighbors, financial records. if you want to undergo a security check beyond doing what we could do simply, look at criminal records, it is not
possible for that volume. one final thought. once you hire somebody, continuous monitoring. are you coming back next year, two years later, look at facebook postings? i don't think we should mislead ourselves to think you should get deep security checks. >> i want you to join the conversation. when you hear what happened at charles de gaulle and people that worked, 600 people that couldn't get clearance that applied for it, do you feel, are you confident they're doing all they can? >> to pick up on what phil said, they're doing everything they can. one, you need functioning airports in major european cities. same would be true in america. secondly as reported about the court order, can't fire people based on they could be radicalized, true in france and true here. they have this challenge, how many people are you going to say
have a propensity toward radicalization that will lead to terrorism. one thing on the security thing, today is a better day than yesterday. they found the airplane, that's good for family members. it is also true that there are a couple of theories we can take off the check list. i am not -- it is not pilot error, they wanted to save the airplane and it is clearly not weather. there are only a limited number of options now. that's a good day for family members. you have to remember that. they need to know what happened. >> good day meaning they want answers. the ideas that all the things went wrong on acars in the same area and perhaps directly responsible for taking the plane down. if someone knows that's a vulnerable area, what fire could do on the flight, is there a way
to design an explosive you can imagine doing all those things? >> i have seen many things adapted to the security systems. security systems and things done to prevent them, it is a game of cat and mouse. we learn something new, we mitigate that problem, they find something else, we mitigate that problem. every security advance we have is driven by a security breach of some type. so that's the nature of how it works. the challenge is how do you get proactive, think smarter, go ahead of that, prevent things before they happen. i don't want to diminish that, because of the fact that thousands of things are mitigated every day when people go through. security people are doing that. i don't want to say we don't have security, we do. and they're doing a fine job. it is anomalies that get through. >> phil, we talked before news of the acars data coming out, you put it the negatives were mounting, things that were not happening were bigger than
things that were happening in the investigation. no claim of responsibility. no matches on the watch list. then late this afternoon, word that this acars data, smoke, smoke in the lavatory, smoke in avionics. catastrophic failure of systems. how does that change the stack of negatives. >> the stack is growing. yesterday might have said 50/50, maybe terrorist event or something else. talking to friends today, slowly through time, tomorrow and sunday, that stack is weighing against terrorism. we talk about what we know. let me talk about what we don't know. we don't know anybody is on board that matched watch lists. what we don't know is if anybody in isis is talking about this. they appear not to be. otherwise you would get a leak from washington saying there's isis chatter. no information suggesting there's anybody in the ground crew yet. you look at this and say in addition to smoke, tells me there wasn't a device that took it down immediately, typically
what you would see from a terror group. you see over time, that's the additional factor, it looks more and more curious. >> crucial weekend to be sure. they'll take a closer look at the acars data the next several days. thanks for being with us. speaking of smoke, mary ski after o after oh mentioned this flight. what it may say about the mystery of 804. and donald trump got a big endorsement from the nra and delivered a speech packed with red meat. what he said about hillary clinton and how it stacks up against the facts coming up. it's true what they say. technology moves faster than ever. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration. or if you're young or old.are if you run everyday, no matter who you are a heart attack can happen
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these are still very early days in the investigation of flight 804. as we are reporting, there's a new clue to factor in. newly obtained flight data shows there were smoke alerts aboard the airliner in the minutes before it crashed, it is not clear exactly what it means. mary ski after oh talked about how dangerous that can be without the problems that struck the airbus.
nearly 18 years ago, smoke was the first time something was terribly wrong on swiss air 111 that took off from new york with 229 people on board. here is randi kaye. >> reporter: the pilots of swiss air flight 111 bound for geneva noticed a strange smell in the cockpit less than an hour after takeoff. then they see small amounts of smoke, concerned, they ask to land at the nearest airport. this is the air traffic control tape from that night, still haunting all these years later. >> 111, declaring pan pan pan. we have smoke in the cockpit. request teef ate, immediate return, to a convenient place. i guess boston. >> 111, turn right to proceed, you say boston you want to go? would you prefer to go into halifax? >> swiss air 111, roger, we
prefer halifax from our position. >> it was a fairly straightforwa straightforward operation. >> the plane reaches nova sco a scotia. >> we need more than 30 miles. >> they're worried about landing with so much fuel on board. >> swiss air 111, could i have the number of souls on board and fuel on board for emergency services. >> roger. fuel on board, 230 tons. we must dumb some fuel. >> at this point there's no sense of panic, the captain goes through the emergency check list. the co-pilot is flying the aircraft. neither has any idea there's a fire above the cockpit. then this. >> we are between 12 and 5,000
feet, we are declaring emergency at 0124. >> in the background i could hear the warning alarm for the auto pilot disconnecting and he told me verbally at the same time that he was flying the plane manually, that auto pilot had disconnected. >> and we are declaring emergency now swiss air. >> that's the last communication. the transponder fails. the plane is close enough that radar can track it as it makes an unexpected turn to the west. >> whether it was a manual input by pilots or what the reasoning was, they flew two to three minutes west and then did a 180 tree turn and headed back. at that point we thought perhaps they had control of the airplane. soon after that they turned again and headed out toward the
ocean and then the aircraft disappeared. >> the plane slams into the atlantic ocean 16 minutes after smoke was first reported. hitting with such force, it explodes into two million pieces. everyone is killed. only one body is recovered intact. the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder reveal the fire caused the pilot's flight screens to go dark, making it nearly impossible to discern up from down. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> jarring to hear the transmissions these years later. coming up. donald trump comes out guns blazing against hillary clinton at an nra meeting saying she wants to abolish the second amendment. see what else he said after getting the nra endorsement, that's next.
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for the record, she's never said that. he said she wants to release violent criminals from jail. she never said that either. trump touted himself as the one to cherish the right to bear arms. before he ran for president, he supported a ban on assault weapons and in favor of waiting periods for those that want to buy them. those issues seem forgiven and for gotten as he addressed thousands in louisville. >> reporter: today, donald trump is capping off a week of wooing conservatives in front of a friendly audience. >> i will not let you down. >> reporter: picking up endorsement at the national rifle association at the annual meeting and picking up red meat as he slammed hillary clinton. >> crooked hillary clinton is the most anti-gun, anti-second amendment candidate ever to run for office, as i said before, she wants to abolish the second
amendment. >> reporter: but clinton has never said that. she called for stricter gun control laws, but never to abolish the second amendment. it sets up a sharp split. clinton labeled the nra an enemy last year in the debate. >> which enemy are you most proud of. >> in addition to the nra, health insurance companies, drug companies, iranians. probably the republicans. >> reporter: the contrast on gun rights is one of the fault lines already emerging ahead of the general election. trump is not waiting for evidence, sticking by his political instincts as he declared crash of the egypt air flight an act of terror. >> i can practically guarantee who blew it up. >> reporter: clinton took a more measured approach. >> it does appear it was an act of terrorism. exactly how of course the investigation will have to determine. >> reporter: and laid out her plans to combat isis.
>> we are going to defeat them on the ground using our air power, equipping, training, supporting arab and kurdish fighters, drive them out of iraq, drive them out of their strong hold in raqqah, syria. >> reporter: in trump style, he offered a blunt description and little specifics. >> i would say knock the hell out of isis. >> reporter: may run up against what critics call his isolationist world view as he continues to blast the obama administration decision to send some u.s. forces into syria. >> i would have stayed out of syria and i wouldn't have fought so much for assad, against assad because that was a whole thing. >> reporter: that puts him to the left of many in his party. >> sarah murray joins us. has the clinton campaign responded to trump's latest claims? >> reporter: they're hitting back. not only call his foreign policy
unhinged, hillary clinton took to twitter to talk guns saying you're wrong, donald trump. we can uphold second amendment rights while preventing senseless gun violence. john, in election year, it is unlikely to see hillary clinton and donald trump finding harmony on this issue. >> probably. thank you so much. joining us, democratic strategist paul begala, advises a hillary clinton super pack, was adviser to bill clinton in the '90s. and kayleigh mcenany. you heard him say hillary clinton wants to apolish the second amendment. mrs. clinton never said that. it is not in fact true. now i know he was playing to an nra audience, an audience that wants red meat. don't the facts matter no matter what audience you play to? >> i think there's a strong case that what he said is true, she doesn't like the second amendment, wants it rolled back
in some capacity. she said she doesn't like the supreme court second amendment jurs prudence. and the supreme court says district of columbia versus heller, the d.c. ban on handguns was unconstitutional because it is in fact a constitutional right to bear arms. they said it is a constitutional right. she says she doesn't like jur is prudence on the second amendment. you could make a strong case that she doesn't like the second amendment as it stands. >> you could make a case she doesn't like the supreme court decision. that doesn't mean, kayleigh, you know this, you will be a great lawyer one day, i have no doubt, but doesn't mean she wants to abolish the second amendment, it is something she simply hasn't said. that doesn't mean, yleigh, that her positions on guns and restricting some gun ownership is not unappealing to the nra. that's certainly the case, correct? isn't that enough? >> i do want to point out though
that just yesterday in one breath hillary clinton oversimplified four of donald trump's policies, saying he is for a complete ban on muslims, praises the north korea dictator, two can play this game. if you want to criticize donald trump for those, then you have to look at her doing that to at least three of his policies yesterday in an interview with chris cuomo. >> we want to be consistent, holding claims up to be tested. paul, the idea of hillary clinton's position on guns, her actual position on guns, they could be a problem in swing states, in that part of pennsylvania, once called alabama, philadelphia, pittsburgh, ohio, virginia, colorado. these could be unpopular in these states which could matter a lot in the election. >> that's right. but she takes those positions anyway. i am not at all convinced it is
a political winner. it is principle. she believes it. it is shocking, we are used to trump who is a con man. don the con man. i think it might cluster votes in pennsylvania. she believes it anyway. she's pursuing something because she believes in it, that's called leadership and political courage. here is mr. trump's issue. he called for a total ban on muslims entering the country until we figure out what's going on. >> non-u.s. citizens. >> excuse me me for talking while you're interrupting. >> he wants to allow anyone on the terrorist watch list to be able to buy a gun. but trump's position, if you're muslim, you can't come into america. that's incoherent, insane. >> he did change it, say it is temporary until we figure it out. >> finally we figure out what
the hell is going on. >> and non-u.s. citizen muslims, this is where the details matter. he sees someone came into the country on a k-1 fiance visa and killed 13 people in california. likewise, 400 isis fighters the ap reports have gotten to europe to perpetrate attacks because of unbridled immigration. the nuances matter. for secretary clinton to say total b on all muslim immigration always, that's not the case. >> she didn't say always. kayleigh, you have to reconcile this, you're a very smart person. how in the world can your guy have a position that says no muslims enter temporarily, no muslims enter, but people that are here already and on the terror watch list can go buy a gun. that's insane. >> kayleigh? >> we know the standards nor getting on the terror watch list are liberal standards.
perfectly lawfully abiding citizens that are political kmen at a timers in the media have been on that terror watch list. it sounds ominous but it is overinclusive. a lot of people that shouldn't be on there are on it. you can't deprive rights because they're on a list that's overinclusive. >> i want to talk about the egyptair crash and donald trump said he is 100% sure it was a bomb, that it was terrorism that brought it down. there's evidence of the acars system and new data. again, we don't know at this point. it is possible it could be a mechanical failure. again, can a president, someone that wants to be president jump to these conclusions so quickly? >> i don't know what information he has to conclude that. i think the evidence is strong it is in fact a terrorist attack. if he has information he thinks that supports that, by all means he should come out and say it. i am more concerned with hillary clinton frying to rationalize the motive of terrorists, saying we americans are victims and
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