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these kids can tell me to piss off at any time, what can i do? there's connections being made. it's war to me. it's me against the circumstances the kids live in. ♪ you are in the cnn news room, we are live today from washington, and coming up this hour, what one aviation expert calls the scandal at the heart of the egyptair crash. search teams looking for the wreckage crippled by technology dating back to the 1960s. more on that question later, but, first, a major development in the search for egyptair. we have the first images of debris from that missing jet. mangled seats. you can see them there. suitcases, shoes, even an unwrapped life vest. cnn can now also play for you the first audio transmissions from inside the cockpit, the pilot speaking to air traffic
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control in switzerland. this is not long before the plane went down. let's have a listen. >> hello -- >> thank you so much. good night. >> sounds of what started, of course, such a routine flight. focus shifting to the plane's system, an electronic communication system that sends signals to the ground about how the aircraft is functioning. well, just minutes after entering egyptian airspace at cruising altitude at 37,000 feet, flight 804 started firing off several warning signals in quick succession indicating something was very long. >> a small detector went off.
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also at the same time, the forward laboratory smoke detector went off, and then here is the key, the flight director system, the fds, went completely dead, and the aircraft seized transmitting signals on the transponder. >> well, egyptian officials are focusing on terror as the likely cause of the crash, but as of yet, no terror group claimed responsibility. that is unusual. beginning with that first audio release from the egyptair flight who at the time, a cheerful pilot relaying simple, routine information to the air traffic control. let's talk with our panel, david susi, bob behr, and boeing 777 commercial airline pilot, contributing editor of "flying" magazine.
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lest, this e first hard informan of what was happening in the plane as it began to crash to the earth and disappear from radar. you hear those signals there. you have smoke detected in the laboratory at the front of the plane. you have smoke detected in the avionics bay below the cockpit. a small that a window was open in the cockpit. when you see signals delivered like that in two and three minutes, how do you interpret that? >> well, jim, the way i interpret it is the standpoint this airplane was shutting itself down. how it was shutting itself down or what caused it to shut down is hard to say at this point. but the sliding window being open, i have difficulty with that because with the differential pressure between the inside air and outside air, it's almost impossible to open any exit albeit a sliding window.
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you might be able to unlatch the latch, but that gives me pause for consideration there. beyond that, it's a simple basis, could that window have started its own fire because of the internal guts of it, in other words, a grid of electrical wires running through there to keep the window heated, very possible. dave can address that. we sort of disagree on that, but i think it's very simple from the standpoint that electronics bay basically something happened whether it was a device or something in the electronics bay created a fire situation causing smoke and shut off all the flight control systems that are electronic to the airplane. >> david, a lot of experience in this space, too. tell me your interpretation. >> well, first of all, jim, it's important to clarify that the warning that came from the system did not indicate the window had been open, but that the window failed. that could be a number of things, not necessarily it was
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open. in fact, after that was another indication that the solid or the stationary window failed as well. it doesn't necessarily mean it was open, but the order in which these things happened is a little askew because of the fact that when there's a report, there's a batch report. if you look at the actually report itself, the minutes go from 26 to 27 to 28, but then they go back to 26 because it's a batch, so it's the order in which this actually happened was that the window sent a signal failure first. the sliding window, and antiice system failed subsequent to that, the window failed, the back window, and the smoke in the lab, and then in the lower area. the order in which they occur mean a great deal to me as to what started and finished this event. >> bob, egyptian authorities were quick, unusually quick in this case, to point to terrorism as the likely cause for the loss
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of this plane, really within hours of when it went down. that's unusual. since then, we've seen more circ circ circumsection saying they have not ruled out any particular cause. you look at the data from the plane, move you closer to or further away to terrorism as the cause? >> well, just by my formation, i'd say it looks more like terrorism to me, but i'm not exactly objectedive on this. i look at egyptians had three security people on the plane. they were searching cleaning crew, unconfirmed reports, you have both problems at charles and cairo airport. mount things up and the quickness of the fire and just also the possibility of putting a small explosive in the cockpit, i -- i'm not capable of interpreting data, but, you know, these are two countries that are under attack, france and egypt, and also, this plane, a couple years ago, marked with
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grafetti according to unconfirmed reports promising to bring it down. there's no significance egyptians put into that, but, clearly, the egyptians probably have information that we don't, and when they said terrorism so early on, it's unusual for the egyptians, so i put a lot of weight in the statement. >> bob, you're saying you've seen information this plane had grafetti on it, how long ago? >> awhile ago. had to do with the overthrow of the muslim brotherhood. egyptians according to the press reports dismissed it as, you know, people just desending the regime. they didn't think it was a special threat. it probably wasn't. you add up all the suspicion of terrorism, and it's an angle we have to look into, and, again, back to the egyptians, the fact they said so early suggests to
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me they had some sort of indication there was going dob to be an attack on one of their airplanes. it's speculation. again, we have to have the black box. >> no question. david, bob, les, we'll rely on you to help with it. thanks very much. the crash of egyptair 804 and prevailing theory a bomb brought it down raise new questions about airplane security, not just in paris, but across the world. renee marsh is digging into this security at the paris airport where the plane departed from. >> reporter: the potential that a bomb brought down egyptair flight 804 led investigators to question whether a device may have been planted on the plane while parked at paris' airport. >> if it happened where they have had very terrible, recent terrorist attacks, and they were on heightened alert, it certainly can happen anywhere.
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>> reporter: the airport was already on high alert with armed soldiers on patrol following three terror attacks in paris over the last year and a half. now the airport will ramp up efforts more, including adding 30 intelligence officers. >> translator: this was the not on the assumption of failure, but a way to make sure our citizens are safe. >> reporter: 86,000 people who work at the airport have what's called red badges giving them access to secure areas, that includes mechanics, cleaning crews, food service workers, and back damage handlers. since january of last year, 85 workers had their security clearance revoked for allegedly having ties to extremists and 600 have been denied secure access for having criminal records. french officials assure all airport workers with security clearances are under continued review. >> if looking back, we identify
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that somebody did bring a bomb on to this airplane, but that there's no threat, no risk looking at this person's background, you would never expect the person to do that, then you get to the point as to what could you have done? >> reporter: before the flight arrived in paris, it stopped in countries known to have weaker airport security including tunisia. a sweep of the plane was done before departing paris. concerns over airport security came under sharp focus after a series of recent incidents. terrorists detonated two bombs in brussels airport in march. a bomb smuggled aboard a russian passenger plane last october. and a bomb built into a lab top got through x-ray machines in somalia earlier this year. >> thanks very much. and coming up weather a concern in the search for the wreckage of the e egyptair jet.
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crews are now scouring the eastern mediterranean for search of egyptair, and so far, only small amounts of debris have been found, but now the majority will be at the bottom of the sea. our meteorologist has more on the task at hand and how weather conditions are going to impact that operation. >> jim, weather conditions are already beginning to deteriorate across the area where the crash site is believed to be, but that's not only going to impact
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the above portion of the search, but also underwater. let's take a closer look at what we have to deal with here. now, underneath me, you can see this is where the crash site is believed to be, where they have already begun to pick up some of the debris. as of now, we are starting to see the beginning waves of the next system begin to make their way in bringing showers and some thunderstorms. that first begins to hinder the above area search. the ones that would be done from the helicopters. it makes their visibility poor when trying to look down, and, again, help the search and rescue effort, but it's not just above. we also have to be concerned about the search that's taking place underwater. that's where the winds come in. notice all of the winds beginning to pick back up over the next couple days. think of it like this, the white caps you typically see on top of the ocean or the sea, those will become more frequent as winds pick back up and the sea becomes quite choppy. in turn, that makes visibility underwater very poor, which
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hinders them trying to find the stuff that would be located under the surface of the sea. so for a lot of the boats that are out there going searching, the average depth they look at for the search area is between 8,000 and 11,000 feet. one perk is the pinger located can work up to depths up to 20,000 feet, but the weather conditions are not going to make it easy. in addition to the clouds, the showers, the thunderstorms, and the winds, it's not just a short term impact. jim, we are expecting not just one day, but multiple days of bad weather to, unfortunately, hinder the search and rescue efforts. >> alison, incredible challenges there. to talk about the search and why finding clues like fliegtd data and voice recorders is difficult, i'm joined by author of "jumbo, making of the 747," and a contributor for the daily beast. clive, a new article that you wrote for the daily beast about
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this. you said, if you can watch netflix, why won't jets stream precious data so it doesn't sink to the bottom of the sea in the event of a crash. once again, we are witnessing deplorable failure to e quip modern jets with equally modern emergency technology. you know, it's interesting. we talked about this two years ago now. why so little and such antiquated data comes from these planes, i mean, you raised a question i did not think about. you know, you can conceivably stream all the data from the recorder in a second, i imagine, or a minute, from the plane rather than just recording it on an old piece of tape. is it a cost issue? is that why it doesn't happen? >> i was angry when i wrote the piece. if i had hair, my hair would have been on fire. i witnessed this for years now, since the crash in 2009, and we do have the technology to do this, and when you think about
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it basically, go wind yourself back to what we're actually involved in doing now, we're assuming the information lies at the bottom of the ocean. what a crazy idea, you leave a situation, dive down for monthings, sometimes for years, to find information when the same information that is stored in the flight data recorder, the same parameters, the same essential picture of the health of the plane and what was going wrong with it could be streamed live so you would actually have the same information instantly available that's already in the flight recorder, and you wouldn't be involved in a torturous and very painful session. that's one issue i raise. >> why not now? planes -- so much attention is paid to technological advances for the reasons of safety, but also comfort. i think in half the planes i get on now have wifi, you can --
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there's loads of movies and entertainment, et cetera, why not invest in something that strikes me as fairly simple of streaming the flight data? >> costs millions of dollars to refit cabins of the planes because they frequently upgrade the entertainment system and introduce beds and more fittings, stuff like that, but the number varies what it costs, and there should be a priority to first of all those planes that fly long distances over oceans because that's where the greatest need occurs. i heard numbers like $50,000 to $100,000 per plane. when you think of the utility of that, it -- and saving the millions and millions of dollars that have now -- it's cost $180 million so far to look for the malaysia plane and have not found it after more than two years. there's the question of the string pinging device on the dada recorder. this is a 1960's idea and
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considerably upgraded then, and there's significant tape recorders now, but the pinger itself that goes down with the flight data recorder on which we depend to locate not just the recorder itself, but it's actually acting as the way we locate the main part of a wreck, which in a case like the egyptian crash, becomes essential to find to exactly explain what happened. that pinger runs out after 30 days. the battery only runs for 30 days, and you have to be under a mile range to even pick it up, and the sea conditions, you saw what the sea conditions are like in the mediterranean, can greatly distort signals so it gives a misreading of where the thing is. in the case of airfrance 447, it took two years to find the wreck, and now this is a familiar case of the data line, the ticking clock syndrome where people say there's 27 days, 26
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days to find it. it's absurd. >> it is. listen, there's a reason you need the data to discover what brought planes down to prevent it from happening again. >> yes. you've got to know what happened and whether it can happen again. that's essential. >> no question. we have this da from that came from the plane, a sliding window sensor, smoke in the lavatory and avionics bay. you know about planes. looking at this, what does that tell you? >> well, i'd hate to read too much into it, but i think the significant thing here is that there was no may day call from the pilots. i think we should remember that. i think the indications of an explosion, some kind of instant december mags of the plane, the pilots had no chance to make a may day call. under normal conditions, pilots put on the smoke masks, and
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within that, there's a microphone to send a may day message, and the positioning of this, where this fire or explosion, whatever it was originated is very significant. it's behind a very thin bulk head either in the left hand toilet behind where the pilot sits or in the gally alongside, and carefully designed bomb wouldn't have to be that powerful to penetrate that bulk head. also, it's right above where the main avionics systems are, so the one thing i think i feel sure about on the scant of information from the data is that this happened very, very quickly, and so quickly that the pilots were unable to say anything. in fact, the pilots may have been killed or in some way disabled instantly themselves. what happens happened after they were all out of action. >> clive, thank you for joining us today. the crash of egyptair has some questioning airport security here in the united states. coming up, a look at changes
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this is cnn breaking news. a u.s. air strike targeted the leader of the taliban in a remote area near the border of
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afghanistan and pakistan. the pentagon says that he was actively involved in planning attacks against facilities in kabul and across afghanistan presenting a threat to afghan civilians and security forces. our personnel statement says and coalition partners. i want to bring in now lieutenant colonel frank, long time intelligence officer in the u.s. military. a leader of the taliban, he, of course, the successor to omar, that our viewers were familiar with, the leader of the taliban during the time of 9/11. the pentagon in the statement blaming omar rather since assumption of the leadership for the the deaths of tens of thousands of afghan civilians as well as many coalition personnel. from what you node, bob, tell me how important he was to the taliban as a whole. >> well, he was the new leadership and, actually, the
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taliban was on a resurgence under him. we saw a large increase that leaked out, and resilience of the organization to come back. after they suffered heavily at the hands of the u.s. military, they have really been resurging, especially down in that area along the pakistani border. this will be a big blow, but, you know, we've had this conversation before, jim, that every time we lose one of the leaders, another leader steps up to take his place. that leader generally is not as capable as the one who just left. he was different because he was more capable than omar. >> this statistic is striking to me and viewers as well. tens of thousands of deaths of afghan civilians in a series of attacks over months and years including many of the attacks we've seen in kabul, horrible attacks on soft targets in kabul. when you compare that to what isis has been blamed for, really, a fraction of that, at least in that part of the
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country, that part of the world, afghanistan, pakistan, but tens of thousands, place the taliban, which i think many people forget about, relate its csignificance to the group of the taliban today. are they still a more significant threat and problem? >> taliban is a large threat to afghanistan, but we don't see them going into large exterritorial things. of course, they have a relationship with isis, so if you're talking isis, you have a larger organization, taliban is considered part of that. look at the taliban, itself operations in afghanistan and pakistan, they are a threat to that region and those countries whereas isis looks to be a much more international threat. we see isis expanding from the power bases in iraq and syria into libya, into yemen and africa, a much more fluid and much more expanding operations, so two different real threats. they are both threats and dangerous, but i would put the
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taliban as a regional threat and isis as a more regional and international threat. >> stay there. i want to bring in our security analyst, long time cia operative in the middle east. when you look at this, bob, what strikes me is over the course of the last several months, there's been several successful u.s. drone strikes, not just in afghan and pakistan, but iraq and syria against isis targets, in yemen against al qaeda targets and somalia as well. real successes from an intelligence standpoint. what's that tell you? is u.s. intelligence getting better on the ground in these countries? >> well, we've been at this for years. we're good at intercepting phone calls, analyzing met that data, and if they go up in the air with a telephone, you get it eventually. problem is with all these organizations, the islamic state or the taliban as they are able to regenerate their leadership.
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and there are some leaders, for instance, in the taliban, that are more dangerous, and that's the haqqani network. they were trained by the cia in the '80s, and they don't get on the phone and they don't spike, and they've carried out a lot of the suicide bombings in afghanistan, and they remain a very big threat. the problem is you can't hit them with drones because most of the leadership is in pakistan, and there's too much collateral damage to go after the haqqanis. >> we have, and we've seen brutal attacks on children, worse than they were in the past. for the sake of the viewers, and you made this point, rick. the taliban is essentially a regional threat. its goals there in afghanistan and pakistan, but, of course, as
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our viewers remember, it provided sanctuary to al qaeda before 9/11. it has relationships with isis, and how key is that for groups with aspirations to attack americans abroad as well? >> seen it in the past and seeing it again. piggy backing on a point bob made and you brought up was the threat in afghanistan and pakistan, and it's pakistan that provides that haven for them, and although we are conducting operations with the pakistanis in pakistan, all those operations have to be approved by the pakistanis, so we're not able to go after what we call the u.s. list. we have to go after the pakistan u.s. list, so that political sanctuary still is in tact for the taliban, so they are able to use that to their advantage, so i think it's probably going to be still a problem, but when
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we're able to score successes like this, and, of course, we go after the people using telephones and things like that that we can actually find, but this is a major event, but as bob said, and i think we need to remember, these guys are very resill yept. we've been at this for a long time because they are resilient and have the capability to continue on in, you know, after facing these kinds of losses. >> bob, lieutenant, thank you very much. for the viewers, i just want to repeat the breaking news. we've just learned from the pentagon the u.s. has targeted taliban leader in a remote area of the afghanistan-pakistan border. to be clear here, the pentagon says they are still assessing the results of this strike, which is to say they have not confirmed that he's, indeed, dead, but they conducted a strike, and he was the target. this is a story we're going to continue to follow throughout the afternoon. we'll be right back app this break. hmmmmmm.....
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welcome back, and we have new details regarding breaking news story, news of the u.s. drone strike in afghanistan, pakistan, and that targeted this man, he is the leader of the taliban, and we are learning now from a u.s. official that the u.s. believes that he was likely killed in this strike, so more details, it took place at 6:00 eastern time, u.s. time this morning, and a second adult male traveling with him was also likely killed. i should say the u.s. says it's still assessing the results, but that is its initial assessment, dma mullah, the leader of the taliban, was killed in the strike, and for our viewers' sake who might remember omar, the long time leerpd of the taliban including during the time when the taliban provided shelter to al qaeda during the
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attacks of 9/11, it was this man who replaced him, and during his leadership of the taliban, the u.s. says the taliban is responsible for attacks that kims some tens of thousands of afghan civilians and security forces as well as numerous u.s. and coalition forces. i want to bring back in, again, bob and frank. bob, beginning with you, you've been in the cia when a number of leaders of terrorist groups like this have been killed. how important is it when a leader is taken out as rick noted earlier, that the leaders are quickly replaced. >> you know, at the end of the day, we are facing a political problem in the middle east, and you need political solutions. yes, we are getting good, jim, at drone strikes and getting the right people, cutting back on the collateral damage, but he
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will quickly be replaced, and there will be new military leaders as long as there's not a political solution in afghanistan and as long as the pakistanis continue to support the taliban, it's with us for a long time, but look from the administration's point of view, that you cannot let a hostile government set up in kabul and launch attacks in the united states, whether directly involved or simply providing a rear base. you can't do that politically in the united states, and until at least people come to terms that they can't support international terrorism, we're going to have to hit them over and over again. >> rick, there's been a lot of don't going back to whether over the course of time president obama reduced the u.s. military presence in afghanistan. in fact, it was meant to go down quickly, and they put a pause on reductions keeping something like u.s. forces there. officially, there's not a combat
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mission, thaw they have carried out combat operations there against high value targets. in your view, is the u.s. military presence in afghanistan sufficient today to fight the threats from the taliban and other groups? >> well, we're seeing resurgence of the taliban directly due to the constant withdraw of american forces. we have stopped that. the new u.s. commander in afghanistan has been able to convince the president we need this level, if not more. he wants 40,000 to take these people on. it's going to be a problem, though. the administration doesn't want to hear that. >> hard to see that decision being made in the final months of president obama's administration. i want to bring in tim, who is live at the airport in paris. tim, the taliban, of course, a long relationship with al qaeda going back to the months and years leading up to 9/11. what's the taliban's relationship with isis?
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>> reporter: very good, to be honest with you, jim. in fact, the al qaeda leader has pledged his loyalty, his oath of allegiance to the islamic emirate of afghanistan, what the taliban likes to call itself. isis has been trying to muscle in on the territory, trying to establish presence in parts of afghanistan so isis is perfectly happy to see the leader of the taliban targeted or perhaps killed, but it would make the general disarray in afghanistan go away overnight by any stretch of the imagination. they've been targeting regional capitals, you can say, presence across afghanistan is stronger now than in recent years at a time when we see a withdraw of military forces as well. a potential strike, what they have happened as with the succession, there's a good deal of dissension in taliban who
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becomes the new leader, and that would not be bad for the united states to see the taliban, which has got internal divisions, start fighting amongst themselves as to who should succeed. >> it might be comforting to the viewers to know there's infighting among the groups, but the downside, bob, that this competition you see, whether it be between isis, al qaeda or isis and the taliban, we know it's led to something of a competition, right? to show relevance by carrying out acts of violation. >> exactly. and this is a very difficult group to get inside of. his succession, it took a couple years to be announced. there was in-fooigting before. the problem is was he the spiritual leader of the taliban or the military commander? frankly, we just don't know. it's very difficult to get sources inside these groups and their politics, they do not discuss over the phone. again, i go back and, you know,
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the things are getting worse in afghanistan. they are on the offensive. we're going to see a summer offensive. they are going to try to overrun some towns, and the government in kabul is simply not capable, as rick was saying, of taking this movement on, and, you know, we could send more u.s. troops, but for how long? ten years, 20? no answer to the question. >> rick, you look at this, and i i spoke to you as intelligence officials, and they constantly speak about just the constant surveillance capability that the u.s. has over war zones, certainly like iraq and syria where asis is, but also on that key afghanistan-pakistan border, talking about drones, satellite coverage, planes, and other forms of surveillance. with are we seeing, in effect, the results of that, benefit of that, they pick up these guys as they move around and carry out a strike like this? >> you know, i think a lot of that is overplayed, jim. we do have a lot of coverage and
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platforms up there at any begin moment, great capability, but this is very, very difficult terrain. it's easy to hide. it's easy to just go where the satellites can't see you. it's very, vey ifficult, and so you have to have more than just the airborne assets doing this, and you have to have, eventually, human assets on the ground either to observe or infiltrate, and boeft ath are v very difficult to do. in the case of the taliban, not impossible because it's such a close knit group, so -- >> if -- >> it's not as good as it should be. >> if you're joining us now, for the sake of the viewers, i want to recap the breaking news story that the u.s. military tells cnn that a drone strike was carried out in the afghan-pakistan border region targeting the leader of the taliban, and a u.s. official telling cnn that the u.s. believes he was, quote, likely killed in this strike along with another man who was traveling with him. they are still assessing the results, but that is their
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initial assessment, likely killed in the streak, the leader of the taliban here. i mean, rick, you speak to the difficulty of carrying out strikes like this successfully. bob, how has the u.s. managed to be so successfully, not just in this area, afghanistan and pakist pakistan, but other strikes against isis and syria, and not to mention somalia, yemen, and elsewhere, syria, place described as a u.s. intelligence black hole, but they get significant leaders this as well. how is the u.s. managing that success, a strange of successes? >> because these people, jim, don't have encrypted communications. you know, we have data analytics can track the people down, amazing algorithms show where they are, position them, and even when they are on the move, u.s. intelligence can now track telegram and these encrypted apps, and the rest of it, so we are staying ahead of them
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technologically, and the one people we can't get to are the ones, of course, who figured out don't ever pick up a cell phone. don't ever get on a land line, and stay out of the view of satellites, and, you know, we are holding them back with our technology, but these people, as rick said, are true believers and closely knit. when i was in the cia, i tried to get inside the islamic group, and i'm here to tell you, it's very, very difficult, if not impossible because of their believes. >> hold that thought, bob. i believe you said the u.s. found a way to break encrypted communications. i want to hear about that. please stay with us. stay with us as well, oh viewers here, we'll continue to cover breaking news story, the u.s. likely killing, says the pentagon, tleader of the taliba in a drone strike. more after this break.
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we are back with breaking news. u.s. officials telling cnn that a drone strike targeting the leader of the taliban mullah likely killed him. he was actively involved in planning attacks, not just against afghan security forces, but u.s. and coalition forces. u.s. blames him for the death of tens of afghans, security forces, and troops as realm. nick, you know the taliban well, and talk to us about the violence that ball ban carried out under his leadership.
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>> that came after the eventual recognition that omar, being in charge of the taliban for the entirety of the u.s. presence within afghanistan had, in fact, died in 2012. there was a leadership struggle, and then he took the reigns, which i must confess, internal dissent there. we've seen in the last year a lot of violence to try to consolidate his position. they believe he's closer linked with al qaeda. his main deputy is a man considered to be one of the main facilitators in afghanistan, and moved to significantly speed up taliban operations in afghanistan, those two radical moves aimed at trying to consolidate the position as being a man able to monday the taliban. so much of the u.s. is slow to
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withdrawal itself from afghanistan, trying to be about encouraging peace talks and political settlements. that failed. the taliban were not disturbed, and now, he is out of the way, and there's an if there because that may enable some moderate movement to step through, and that's a huge question. big question now is of course he is dead, and and he was the target of the strike likely killed, but it occurred 6:00 your time, jim, and a second male killed, this happened to prove to person they they think
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killed, and in it was successful, anyone related to any way, you have to keep mind the mess of the dance. for years, we believed he was in charge of the taliban, and now there is potentially doubts over the world being him, and that will potentially damage his ability to lead. they are fractured that is the taliban. they are, i have to say, doing pretty good on the battlefield now against afghan security forces causing 5,000 casualties in total last year, a record number there, and a lot of afghans have been killed too. jim? >> a drone strike conducted in the remote area, border between afghanistan and pakistan killed this man that you're seeing on the screen there now, the leader of the taliban, he replaced omar, who was the leader of the
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in washington. i'd like to welcome international viewers from around the world as well, and we have breaking news. on a u.s. operation targeting the leader of the taliban. u.s. officials telling cnn a drone strike aimed at mulla mullah munsor likely killing him. the pentagon says he was actively involved with planning attacks against fits in kabul and across afghanistan, presenting a threat, not only to afghan civilians, but to security forces as well as u.s. and coalition personnel. the drone strike occurred at 6:00 a.m. this morning eastern time. it targeted two men in a remote area of pakistan near the border with afghanistan. u.s. officials say they are still assessing the results of this strike, but their initial assessment is that both men were likely killed in today's operation. i want to bring in our cnn senior international correspondent, nick peyton walsh on the

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