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and a late night tweet, trump slammed hillary clinton's criticism on his position saying this, quote, crooked hillary said i want guns brought into the school classroom. wrong. then just a few hours later, he shifted his tone. >> i don't want to have guns in classrooms, although in some cases teachers should have guns in classrooms frankly. because teachers -- things that are going on in our schools are unbelievable. you look at some of our schools, unbelievable what's going on. i'm not advocating guns in classrooms. in some cases, trained teachers should be able to have guns in classrooms. >> this all comes on the heels of the nra's endorsement of trump. >> parents, teachers, and schools should have the right to keep guns out of classrooms.
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just like donald trump does at many of his hotels, by the way. this is someone running to be president of the united states of america. unlike donald trump, i will not pander to the gun lobby and we will not be silenced and we will not be intimidated. as long as children anywhere are being killed by gun violence, we will keep fighting for our kids because they deserve a president who stands up for them and stands with the mothers here. >> let's talk more about this with brian morganstern, good to see all of you. brian, you first, how do you explain this? his choice of words and what seems to be a change in sentiment? >> yeah, well, classic trump, i suppose.
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he changes his positions not just month to month or day to day, but minute to minute sometimes. that's just kind of how he rolls. there's a big endorsement from the nra so talking about guns and mobilizing the tens of millions of americans for whom the second amendment is a huge issue is not the worst play in the world. for the democrats, gun control is a big issue on their side. it's an emotional hot button on both ends of the spectrum. in terms of trump, though, kind of losing his trustworthiness on the position, that's risky. >> you're not a supporter of donald trump. you backed other republican candidates. but overall for the party leading into the general election, very damaging in your view or not? >> probably not based on his track record. i mean, there's obviously so
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much time left before the election, he can clean up this mess very easily. so it's -- you know, this is the time to make those mistakes and then get the message hammered out as we get closer to the general. it's a little bit damaging. takes a little chink out of his credibility. >> ellis, do you see hillary clinton seizing on this opportunity? >> we just saw the seizing right there, and rather effectively. 70 or 80% of americans actually agree with her on background checks and on the no-fly zones and a bunch of other issues. listen, it's almost impossible today to placate the extreme leadership at the nra. what's next? i mean, do you want to have -- bring your gun zones in airplanes or in church? you know, it's sunday in america, the preacher's waiting,
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you better get your ar-15. >> jeffrey, what is going on? you are a big supporter of donald trump. who is he trying to appeal to? because it almost seems like -- you tell me, but it almost seems like he's trying to appeal to different audiences, by now all the wires are getting crossed. >> i don't see that at all. students in the classroom on the one hand and armed security guards on the other. i think the extremists are hillary clinton and her friends. these are the folks who keep wanting more and more gun control. they forget that there's a black market out there for guns. they could get any kind of gun control they want. in fact, in california, after there was a shooting in santa barbara, i took a check and the brady handgun control folks had pit out a thing saying california had the best gun control laws in the country and it was a terrific place.
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and then one of these incidents occurs. we're not going to be able to stop all crazy people. if you want to take a look at how this works, this is the responsibility of people like the mayor of chicago or the mayor of new york or the mayor of los angeles and they're not doing a very good job here. they keep blaming this on wayne la pierre. politically speaking, particularly in a state like pennsylvania where we have a lot of gun owners, this issue will count in the fall. >> so hillary clinton is seizing on this saying, you know, the language that donald trump has been using particularly within the last few hours really does demonstrate immediate dangers in her view to the nation. listen to what she had to say today on "meet the press". >> i do not want americans and, you know, good-thinking republicans as well as democrats and independents to start to believe that this is a normal
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candidacy. it isn't. what he is advocating -- look what he's done this past week. attacking our closest ally, england. heaping praise on a dangerous dictator in north korea. reiterating his call to pull out of nato, our strong military alliance. talking about letting other countries have nuclear weapons. advocating a return to torture and even murdering the families of suspected terrorists. that is beyond the pale. and it poses immediate dangers. >> so ellis, she's talking about trust, she's talking about using language and words responsibly and talking about where we are on the world stage. how does she continue on this or do you see her continuing on this to try to best serve herself when she, too, you know, when you look at that "washington post" polling today, she has unfavorability numbers that are in line, in step with
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donald trump's? >> listen, you got to do both obviously. the presidency is a job for grown g grownups. it's a rough political situation. she's not making the mistake that brian's candidate marco rubio and all those other republicans did of holding back direct criticism. she's coming right out at the beginning, which you goto do to beat an opponent like that. >> brian, you want to respond real quick? >> sure. here's the essence of this election, though, you have millry saying i'm measured, experienced, which is the same old system everybody's fed up with. this is a choice between the no and rolling the dice with trump. a lot of people are picking the dice. she can accurately describe all those things that trump said, which oftentimes send shivers
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down a reasonable voter's mind. people aren't buying it. they're saying hillary's more of the same. they want different. >> real quick, jeffrey, i heard bernie sanders today saying the lesser of two evils is that what this process, this election season is all about? >> well, she -- she talks for example about her experience. and what donald trump is talking about, she may have the quote, unquote experience, but how has that affected her judgment. whether it's benghazi or the russian reset which has failed miserably, whether it's the disaster in iraq pulling out the troops there when victory was at hand. she's got experience all right and it's turned out to be really seriously bad judgment. which is why we got an ambassador killed, which is why we have all these problems. you can have all the experience in the world, if you don't know how to use it, which she clearly
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does not, that's not a help. >> nobody's going to have the experience once they've get in the white house when they're there for the first time anyway. thank you so much, appreciate it. >> thanks, fred. next hour, democrat presidential candidate bernie sanders holding a rally in california. he's pushing the idea of getting rid of super delegates. he trails clinton in the super delegate count, 42 to her 522. this morning he told our jake tapper, the super delegate process is undemocratic. however, he plans on trying to woo the super delegates away from clinton. >> should the candidate with the most pledge delegates at the end of the process, june 7th after new jersey and california, the last contests, should the person with the most pledged delegates be the democratic nominee? >> well, i think if that was the only criteria, then you get rid of all the super delegates, which may not be a bad idea.
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but you do have super delegates. you've got 700 super delegates. their job is to take an objective look at reality. i think the reality is that we are the stronger candidate. >> so you actually think -- you would be okay for the pledge delegates, the majority of democratic voters to pick one candidate and then the super delegates to actually go with a different candidate? you're not suggesting that? >> it's very funny that you ask me that question when you had 400 pledge delegates come on board clinton's campaign before anyone else was in the race. that's called the establishment talking. this is who we want to be president. >> but the process -- >> we are where we are right now, jake. and where we are is we are fighting to win the pledge delegates. before i can answer your question, let's see what's going to happen. if your argument is let's get
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rid of all the super delegates, that may not be a bad idea. >> will bernie sanders will talking anymore about super delegates at that rally in california? we'll take you there next hour. meantime, the hunt for answers over the downing of egyptair f is underwater now. now a submarine is scouring the mediterranean sea for the black boxes. your finger tips.ike pure powert like the power to earn allstate reward points, every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car... i see you car! and i got the power to know who's coming and when if i break down. must be gerry. hey... in means getting more from your car insurance with the all-powerful drivewise app. it's good to be in, good hands.
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eve in 2004. eventually, the city was handed over to the iraqi government, but it fell to al qaeda before long leaving many, including u.s. soldiers, feeling like american blood was spilled for no reason. let's talk about it with spider marks. i'm glad you're able to be with me. >> thank you, fred. >> are the iraqi forces prepared to retake fallujah? >> this has been a long time coming, fred. united states presence in iraq over the course of the last few years since the u.s. departed in late 2011 has been exclusively focused on the training and preparation of iraqi forces. granted there have been fits and starts. we've seen some -- we've had some major disappointments in terms of their readiness levels and we've seen some great successes. clearly, those successes are
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because of the leadership of the iraqi forces on the ground, but also because the united states has been a very close partner. clearly, we could increase the level of that partnership if we would choose to do that. and in some cases, we have. but it's important for us to remember that this success that we hope will occur in fallujah must be an iraqi security force led effort and that's exactly what's happening. long time in coming, lots of training in preparation, very deliberate in its efforts. we can only hope that the united states will remain a partner of iraq going forward as necessary. >> the taliban confirming their top leader was killed on saturday. here's secretary of state john kerry explaining exactly why he was targeted. >> mansour posed a continuing
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imminent threat to u.s. personnel in afghanistan, to afghan civilians, afghan security forces, and resolute support coalition members across the country. >> so as it pertains to afghanistan, do you believe that the death of mansour will, you know, curb the imminent threat of the taliban even? >> well, frankly, no, fred. and that's -- clearly, it's a chilling effect on the organization whenever senior leadership is taken out, but they are very resilient. they've demonstrated their grittiness over the course of the years. they have next level of leadership ready to -- ready to step up. so that by itself is insufficient. it's necessary, but it's insufficient. there needs to be a continuous pressure on the taliban. and also bear in mind, the
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united states tried to establish some pretty aggressive communications with the taliban going forward to try to find a confluence of interest. mansour has been a tremendous impediment toward making that happen. so everything the secretary said is absolutely spot on, but he's also been an impediment in terms of efforts that might be in place to try to find some interests in common with the taliban which is a very, very tough thing to do. >> major general "spider" marks, thanks so much. still ahead, a submarine has been deployed to the bottom of the mediterranean sea in search of the flight recorders of that downed egyptair plane. details on that next. hello? what time's the flight? no one asked us to go.
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welcome back. tighter security measures are going into effect at paris' charles de gaulle airport as the investigation widens into what
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happened to egyptair flight 804. the flight took off from paris late wednesday night before disappearing over the mediterranean late thursday morning. questions have swirled about security measures at that airport and who may have had access to that plane before it took off. congressman peter king talked about airport security this morning with jake tapper. >> what it does show, jake, is the extent of the islamist threat at the airports from insiders. it also showed the anger toward general sisi, plus, the isis movement and the fact that the insiders at the airport all over the world, but especially in countries like egypt, that is to me a greater threat to us than passengers bringing bombs onto a plane. it's people behind the scenes, the airport workers, cleaners, scrubbers, anyone who gets --
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does not face the same scrutiny as passengers do. that is the real threat here. >> joining me right now, justin green. so the congressman was also talking about the graffiti reportedly scrawled on some of the airplanes, whether it was allah akbar or it was "this plane will go down." so do you have grave concerns about the people who have access to these planes and the screening that takes place and if it turns out that there are people, you know, who are culpable for those things what happens to them next beyond just firing them? >> well, i think anyone would have major concerns if someone who has access, one of those red badges that lets them have access to an airplane, would do something like that. as a lawyer representing families, you have to consider relevance. this is gra feety that
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apparently goes back a couple of years. we don't at this point know what kind of investigation was done, whether those individuals were still working at the egyptian airport. and also remember that this airplane left from the paris airport. so it -- you know, generally concerns me in a significant way, but specifically regarding this, it doesn't jump out to me as a likely cause. >> every airport is different. and isn't that part of the concern that some have, too, because there may not be universal type of screening or security measures? it really does depend on each country, each jurisdiction, each city. >> that's right. every country basically has control of their own airports. what's scary -- and by the way, i should mention that we're still in the beginning phases of this investigation. a lot of people came out right away going down the terror path.
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now couple days later, we have the acars data and there seemed to be a pullback a little bit. if this is a terror attack, what's scary to me is that paris airport is one of the most secure airports. if this can happen at paris, this can happen at pretty much any airport. >> you talk about the acars system, the signals being sent from that aircraft, the smoke coming out of the cockpit. there's that direction of the investigation potentially that there was a mechanical problem, et cetera. what more do you discern from those four things cited in the signals from acars the message is sent? >> what's clear to anyone, there's only been a couple pieces of what i would call direct evidence. the radar data is direct evidence of what the airplane
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did. the turns it did, the descent it took. the acars data is also direct evidence of what happened on the airplane, but it's not sufficient. what it does show us is a much -- not much, but a slower moving, cascading effect than what you might expect from a large explosion. from a fire, it's actually pretty quickly. so it doesn't really answer the question. the answers to that question unfortunately are still at the bottom of the mediterranean sea. >> justin green, thank you so much. >>ty. stay with cnn for our continued coverage of egyptair. ed royce says this was most likely a terror attack. all right, a rigged system. that's what bernie sanders keeps calling the presidential nominating process. our jake tapper pressed him on the issue this morning. >> should the party do away with super delegates?
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very uphill fight to go from 46%, where we are today, to 50% in the nine remaining contests. i got that. and we're going to try. california obviously is the big race that remains. we think we have a chance to do very well in california and new jersey, et cetera. what i also believe, it's incumbent upon some of these super delegates, people who came on clinton's campaign before anyone else was in the race to take an objective look at which candidate is stronger. democrats and progressives win when there is a large voter turnout. republicans win when people are demoralized and don't come out to vote. any objective assessment will conclude we have the energy, we have the excitement, we have the young people, we have the working people, we can drive a large voter turnout to not only win the white house, retain control of the senate, win
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governors chairs up and down the line. >> sunlen serfaty is in vista, california right now. does he feel fairly confident about winning in california? >> reporter: it's interesting, fred. some of the latest polls out here in california all show clinton with a lead. and i do think you can read a lot into bernie sanders' mind set by just looking at the urgency that he is bringing to the campaign trail in this final stretch. he's starting this weekend has started a five-day barnstorm of the state of california. from the campaign's perspective, they're wanting to bring a lot of momentum when they reach june 7th here in california. sanders this morning admitted it will be an uphill climb. i think he's very aware that the pressure will be mounting even more so after the contest end here. it was notable this morning in jake tapper's interview that
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sanders refused to say yes or no, whether he thinks that the person with the most pledge delegates at the end of the contest should go onto be the nominee. i think that speaks volumes. >> sunlen, thanks so much. we'll check back with you to see what he has to say. appreciate it. sanders also advanced the feud between his campaign and dnc chairperson debbie wasserman schultz by announcing his support for her congressional challenger in florida's upcoming primary race. he is a democrat, tim canova. >> i welcome senator sanders' support for this kpcampaign. he's been right on an awful lot of issues. i'm a progressive in the tradition of franklin roosevelt.
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there are people in this wing of the party that want the same kind of progressive reforms. >> so you're not gunning for debbie wasserman schultz's dnc chairwoman job, but by gunning for this congressional position, if you were to unseat her, it would certainly undermine her authority, undermine her leadership ability as a dnc chair, right? >> that's probably true. and i'm not running to be the dnc chair. i think the voters in our district have not been well served. representing people in the house of representatives is a full-time job. i don't think anybody could do both effectively and arguably, my opponent's not doing either one quite effectively. >> the dnc chairwoman issued this statement, even though senator sanders has endorsed my opponent, i remain as i have been from the beginning neutral
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community may be nearing the end of its fight with the federal government. >> this is uncomfortable for me. >> reporter: at home in cleveland, mississippi, a father and son have a conversation that's been 50 years in the making. >> we're doing what we think is right. not just for black folks, but for white folks and for everybody. >> reporter: this week, a federal judge ordered the cleveland school district to integrate. the reverend edward duvall advocated for the move. his son ed jr. isn't so sure about the impending change. >> i think it's where the parent wants the child to go not where the child wants to go. >> i don't expect you to agree with me. >> reporter: population 12,000. cleveland mississippi has 11 schools. to the east, east side high school. it's 99% black.
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to the west, its enrollment has been majority white. the department of justice took exception with that and pushed to change it. >> i thought we were doing pretty well. >> reporter: this attorney represents the school district. for the last 50 years she says, the district has complied with federal orders to integrate. >> what the court said it wasn't intensive enough and effective enough. we think that with the constitution and the law of the supreme court says is you don't have to have a racial quota that is required in every school, in every district. you have to have made a good faith effort and we think our district as a whole is desegregat desegregated. >> reporter: since 2013, cleveland school district has allowed open enrollment. jack says that system of choice
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proves segregation does not exist. no one we spoke to at east side high's graduation seemed to disagree with that. in fact, most said they like the way things are. >> that's they choice to go to east side and not cleveland high. >> it shouldn't make a difference because we see each other every day. >> reporter: but die value wants to see change because it's good for the entire community, he says, because it provides equal opportunity for all. >> we trying to make our community better. not for tomorrow or the next few years, but for your child. >> reporter: nick va leps ya, cnn, cleveland, mississippi. >> joining me right now, richard her man. yes, you're usually with me on saturday. we had you change things around. we appreciate you guys are
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willing to do that for us and with us. so richard, you first. because this is really a unique situation, is it not, because you're talking about a representative of the school district who says it is desegregated but we're talking about an issue of where people live and that is what helps support the reality for them which is you have predominantly white schools and predominantly black schools because of where people live. at what point should the court be stepping into say we want to see everyone reintegrated. is it bussing, encouraging people to leave the area that they live in for the sake of better integrating schools? >> well, fred, after 62 years from brown v board of ed which outlawed segregated schools and provide add constitutional right
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for a student to go and have an integrated education, after some 51 years after litigation in cleveland and after three failed plans presented by local school officials, it's time for the government and the department of justice to step in. there are some 3,600 students enrolled in schools in cleveland. of 11 of the schools, some four of them have 90% population of black. whether you have the right to choose, that's not the factor here, fred. it's an integrated education. that's the constitutional right here, and that's what the schools need. there is a train track that separates white from black in this town. it's a time warp. you know, the time has come, it has to stop. >> so avery, you're shaking your head. why? >> well, listen, first of all, that's cleveland, mississippi, not cleveland, ohio.
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u.s. district judge deborah brown wrote a 96-page opinion, 96 pages, that the school district is not integrated. if you're black and you exercise freedom of choice, you either go to a black or a white school. that means the black school winds up literally almost 100% one race. that's what the lawsuit by the department of justice is about. i think the federal district judge isn't kidding around here. we're going to see -- by the way, she directed the board of education and the department of justice to get their plans in by june 2nd and whatever has happened in the past -- and again, 47 years since the first order, this federal judge means business. we're not going to have 100% black or 100% white schools at this point going forward. >> isn't the issue, though, not
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just about race? that somebody sees something wrong with all white students, all black students. but brown versus board of education, at issue was resources. that if you're going to have separation like this or if you're going to have schools where a majority white, majority black, there is a balancing act of resources. do they equally have resources, money, you know, teachers with the same kind of qualifications. is that part of the argument here, richard? >> there is. and it goes beyond that, fred. there is a stigma in cleveland, mississippi, avery, there is a stigma there that the white school -- white schools are better -- get a better education in a white school than a black skeel. and the students going to the black schools, they don't want to change because that's how their parents did it, that's how their grandparents did it,
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that's the way it's supposed to be. there is a distinction that white education in cleveland, mississippi, is better than the black. that's a fact. there are more resources and that stigma has to change. these students are equal and they deserve an integrated education. >> is that the argument that's being made? less about simply black and white, but more about resources, making sure everyone is on a level playing feel as it pertains to education? >> i don't agree with that. brown versus board said that segregation is inequal, that means resources, opportunities, extracurricular, enrichment courses. bottom line, it is racial. and it's time to change and this federal district judge is going to make sure it happens. >> thank you so much. always good to see you. even on a sunday. extra bonus. we'll be right back.
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♪uh oh. oh. henry! oh my. good, you're good. back, back, back. (vo) according to kelley blue book, subaru has the highest resale value of any brand. again. you might find that comforting. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. each week, we recognize someone who goes above and beyond as a cnn hero. this week's hero is a semi-pro cyclist who has become an
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unlikely father figure teaching some of the most at-risk kids about mountain bike racing. >> what a lot of people can't see is that our kids have the equivalent of ten suitcases each of baggage that they are carrying on that bike. these kids can tell me to piss off at any time. this is a war to me. it's me against the circumstances that these kids live in. >> to see how craig is fighting that war, visit to watch his full story. president obama has arrived in vietnam to begin his trip to asia. he's getting sleep before a formal arrival ceremony. air force one took a wide route around the south china sea avoiding flying over areas contested by china and other asian countries. >> reporter: the courthouse is calling this visit the first of
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its kind. president obama's really the first u.s. president to spend time here, three days, to try to deepen and strengthen ties with vietnam. he's going to be talking about trade, the transpacific partnership, but also security and defense and one of the issues hanging over this trip is whether the u.s. will indeed fully lift the arms embargo that affected sales of arms to vietnam. that would have been unheard of decades ago. it was lifted partially two years ago. one issue that could affect that, though, is human rights here in vietnam. human rights says it's dire in all areas. just today, bbc was ordered by the vietnamese government to stop reporting from here. whatever the u.s. does in this part of the world, it's directly affected by and affects the relationship with china. china and vietnam have a dispute over islands in the south china sea. the u.s. tries to counter china's influence in this region
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by helping the u.s.'s other allies including vietnam. china doesn't always follow the rules. we saw just this past week, chinese planes do this unsafe intercept of a u.s. plane, flying within 50 feet of it. when the president arrived here in hanoi, they took a route that avoided the south china sea altogether. the influence of china is always an issue that overshadows any presidential trip to asia. "saturday night live" getting lots of laughs over the battle between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. that's next. >> what can i get for you two? >> i'll have a beer. a new brand that people are flocking to. something refreshing and revolutionary. something that draws huge crowds. >> i'll have whatever beer no
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all right. before we go, we have to indulge in a little "saturday night live" and the battle between bernie sanders and hillary clinton. >> remember when i told everyone to stop talking about your damn e-mails? what a schmuck. so stupid!
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so stupid! >> i know. i do not like humor, but that was funny. >> oh, no. all right. thanks so much for being with us. so much more straight ahead from the "newsroom" with jim sciutto. thank you, fred. you are live in the cnn "newsroom." i'm jim sciutto in washington. we begin with the increasingly bitter back and forth between hillary clinton and donald trump. this time on the issue of guns. not only is clinton accusing trump of being in the pocket of the gun lobby, she says he wants to allow guns in schools and it would mean more kids at rick for violence and bigotry. >> parents, teachers, and schools should have the right to keep guns out of classrooms. just like donald trump does at many of his hotels, by the


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