tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN May 23, 2016 11:00am-1:01pm PDT
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double-digit lead against donald trump. both new polls also confirm that these two front runners are most liked candidates to run for the white house in the history of these kinds of favorability surveys. and as the gap between the front-runners is tightening, brauns is hardening the stance to stay in the democratic race. more on senator sanders in just a moment. but first let's get straight to tom foreman to walk through the polls and so, so important especially seeing the difference between trump and clinton so close. >> these are numbers, brooke, that many democrats and republicans just a couple of months ago thought they would never see. "the washington post"/abc news poll. trump up. clinton up over trump 46-44. both within the sampling error but this is undeniable. look at the trend lines here. back in april, trump was at only
39%. now he's at 43% in the aggregate. she was at 50%. she is now at 46%. this is the undeniable part. her numbers are inching down. his are inching up. this can all change. this is not definitive. and the bernie sanders factor's still in there as a candidate. but look at how this is breaking down. the big number here, unfavorable. that's what you're talking about, brooke. we have not seen numbers this bad for the two front running candidates for the parties in forever. this is really an astonishing indictment of both party that is they produce candidates so disliked at this point in time and there's another number similar to it. very big unfavorables there. look who likes these people. trump is getting support from whites, whopping advantage there over clinton. seen yores, really substantial advantage. men and independent voters.
this is where trump will probably focus effort to get even more of that number because these can be deciders and right now they're liking what they see in him keeping them tipping that way. what about for her? she is winning in a dazzling fashion. look at this, 88-9. latinos. women and the young. she might benefit down here and young voters going for bernie sanders. if she becomes the nominee, may be able to pick them up. >> thank you. we'll begin with the numbers and heads up to you. senator sanders slated to speak in east l.a. momentarily and more than likely talking about a poll number reaffirmed that he in a hip thet call against donald trump fares better than hillary clinton. in fact, sanders has the best favorability numbers among all three of them. however, hillary clinton down played the results when she was on "meet the press." >> polls this far out mean
nothing. they certainly mean nothing to me and i think if people go back and look, they really mean nothing in terms of analyzing when's going to happen in the fall. >> you think this lead for sanders is an illusion? >> i'll let others speak to. that i think i'm in a much stronger position, have been and the voters who have turned out an given me 3 million more votes believe that, as well. >> let's go to cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny in los angeles ahead of the sanders reve s event and ob hillary clinton took note of the numbers. he said he and his revolution are in it for the long haul. >> brooke, that is right and that is what's giving democrats some pause here particularly in the final really couple of weeks of this democratic primary fight. it's been a long fight and the end is in sight. the primary out here in california june 7th 445
delegates, no important. bernie sanders trying hard to win the primary. he believes that will be sort of a final argument here to show democrats that, look, he is the stronger of the two candidates. but all polls are not created equally here. you have to point out the fact that bernie sanders is so much newer on the stage and not had, you know, year after year after year of criticism against him and likely up against trump and no doubt the clinton campaign doesn't like to see it with an air of legitimacy to the argument. i was struck by the words you said earlier. lesser of two evils at bernie sanders said yesterday. >> we need a campaign, an election, coming up which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked. i don't want to see the american people voting for the lesser of two evils. >> is that how you would describe hillary clinton against donald trump, the lesser of two evils? >> well, if you look, no, i
wouldn't describe it. that's what the american people are saying. >> wow. >> of course, bernie sanders there saying he's hot calling it that but other people are calling it that. brooke, the reality remains this. hillary clinton still has such a strong lead among pledged and super delegates. something just, you know, ginormous would have to happen to switch over. that's unlikely to happen. the question is how much bernie sanders goes hard after her in the final weeks before california. brooke? >> we''ll see what he says next hour. thank you. david chalian and dana bash, awesome to see both of you. david, the rise of trump and, you know, clinton lowering in numbers and how close they are, do you think it's hillary's bernie problem? do you think it's the big mo from trump? or some other x-factor here?
>> i think what we are seeing is the result of one nomination party race done, complete, able to consolidate in donald trump his own party after a bruising nomination season and focus exclusively on the general election. versus somebody who still has a lingering nomination race and though it's mathematically completed, she still clearly has to deal with the sanders factor wooing his supporters is going to be probably her most important mission over the next couple of months once these contests are done. i mean, these polls show anywhere between 17% and 20% of his support earls, brooke, say that they're going to vote for donald trump in the fall. she's got to -- >> yes. >> -- bring that number down and bring the folks back home and probably able to do so and why we're seeing the tightening of the national race. >> dana? >> just to add so that. that's why what bernie sanders
says soon when he is going to speak in california and over the next several weeks is so important. and there's a reason why hillary clinton underscored when she talked to chris cuomo how hard she worked in 2008 to get her supporters in the camp bernie sanders are right now to say, you know what? we have to go behind obama. if bernie sanders doesn't do that, and if he continues to say things like lesser of two evils or, you know, it's a little bit of a different drama, but say that he is so angry at the democratic party that he's going to support the democratic national committee chair's primary opponent ear house district in florida, you know, those -- all of those things send signals to already upset and energized supporters. if he doesn't start to change that rhetoric, when and if the
time comes, that's a big problem for hillary clinton and she obviously knows this. >> to that point, there may not be a unity new hampshire moment for them looking ahead as she so explained with cuomo. and then the issue is when you look at, i think as long as a poll is done on the unfavorability rating of a candidate, no one had high numbers, especially both of them, trump and clinton, you know, have the negatives on that side. dana, staying with you. like half of the country, so highly polarizing. half of the country loves them, half of the country, not so much. >> to quote sarah palin, that hopey changey thing is not present right now. or i should say to borrow from her. look. it's true. these are two incredibly polarizing figures who are
running probably we should say for the democratic side and yet on the republican side. running in an incredibly polarized country. so, you know, they are reflecting the anger on both sides. no question about that. and in some ways, the unfavorability kind of cancels each other out and in the past we have had, you know, just, for example, barack obama against john mccain. john mccain was taking on the anger towards george w. bush who at the time obviously was in the white house. and barack obama was able to present this whole new point of view and this optimism. and neither of these candidates right now at this snapshot in time are appearing to do that. >> also today, david chalian, dana, thank you. we are playing the vp guessing game just as we have seen senator bob corker, tennessee republican, you know, finish
visiting with mr. trump at trump tower. senator corker, you know, to cameras after the fact sort of down played any talk of his being vetted. nevertheless, here's what he did say. >> i was up here last monday meeting with henry kissinger. i'm in new york a good deal. i think it's worthwhile to sit down and get to know the nominee in a little bit different way. we did that today. but let me again, i said this when this all came up a couple of weeks ago. i have no reason whatsoever to believe that i'm being considered for a position like that. you know? i'll say that until i'm blue in my face. it is just again this was a meeting between two people who didn't know each other except for phone calls. >> david chalian, you know, is this a moment and you know somebody sends you a compliment like no, no, no yes, yes, yes, yes. don't stop. he's going all the way to trump tower which is unusual.
is it not? >> yes. but let me just say there is a sort of an art form here of how politicians answer the vp question. >> okay. >> does corker know that he is on a speculative list and that maybe at some point in the few cher he may be under consideration? sure. he says there's no reason to believe right now he's under consideration. he is the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee and donald trump is trying to shore up on affairs and taking on the role of portraying himself as a potential commander in chief who understands completely where the -- where the united states fits in the global structure, somebody -- talking to somebody like bob corker is a really important for donald trump to talk to and not crazy they would have a conversation that doesn't include the vp nomination and yet if you listen to donald trump describing what he's looking for in a vp, bob corker
fits the description. >> thank you. dana bash, thank you, as well. we'll come back to politics and need to baltimore today. breaking news, one of the officers charged in freddie gray's death is cleared of all charges. hear the decision the defense made that could have made the difference. the mystery of the egyptair flight that disappeared and crews search and we are getting word today smoke alerts went off near the cockpit moments before the crash. we'll talk to richard quest. and tragedy on mt. everest. four people in four days dying on the world's tallest peak. we'll talk to a climber about what could be behind this. cancer...
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protesters, though, you can see them speaking to cameras after the fact visibly upset that yet another trial ended without a guilty verdict. cnn's miguel marquez was in baltimore through it all and back there in the wake of this decision from this judge and you had quite a fascinating conversation, miguel marquez, with billy murphy. that's in a moment. what has nero's attorney said? >> reporter: well, look. this was an incredible relief for nero. i think going in to today he had a good idea to get off on most if not all the charges. when that judge said, not guilty on all charges, edward nero standing put his head back, took in a deep breath and put it forward and just began to sob. his lawyer has just released a statement saying the officer, wife and family elated this nightmare is over. the attorney for baltimore city rushed to charge him and the
other five officers, completely disregarding the facts of the case and apliplicable law and thanks the judge and said the state's attorney should drop the case against the other officers. the lawyer for freddie gray's family, he was in there, as well, to hear that. when he here's what he had to say about the judge's acquittal. >> i found no problem with the judge's reasoning. of course, the outcome about how he weighed the evidence is up to him and not to us. i commend judge williams because he's one of the rare judges that disregarded public opinion. it was enormous pressure from the african-american community to get a conviction. >> reporter: an african-american judge we should say. >> yes. and he did not bend to that pressure. and so, i think that the family's going to respect that opinion and await the outcome of the rest of the cases. >> so thank you.
let's bring in charles coleman jr., a former prosecutor and trial attorney. nice to see you back. >> good to see you. >> on that exchange, that's the man representing freddie gray's family and saying -- i was like wow. i commend him, talking about this judge in this case. couldn't ask for a fairer minded judge. thoughts on how he described him? >> at first it was a little bit surprising but he could be doing a little bit of gamesmanship in as much as this is a trial to go to civil trial and the world is watching how he and the family responds and he is mindful of the idea of playing quote/unquote the race card or labeled as playing the race card. now an african-american judge, you have a victim who's a young, african-american boy and talks about how he felt this judge was fair, even minded and conscious of justice and how he litigated this case and coming to the civil trial, now with respect to
litigating the civil case, he is not baited as he's a -- labeled as a race baiter seeing an example of him saying basically, hey, this was fair, done appropriately. this was in the interest of justice and the civil trial he has a little bit of room to play with and could have been a factor in terms of how he went about that. >> reminding everyone six officers all implicated in this death. first trial ended with a hung jury. second we just saw it was bench, meaning judge only there. no jury involved. acquitting him. on to the next several officers, the next who was, you know, it's also important the roles the different officers played. the next is goodson driving the van, right. and so, who decides whether they want just a judge? >> that's going to be the decision that the defendants will make. they can wave their right to a jury trial. as you all know, you have a constitutional right to a trial by a jury of your peers and you can wave that right if you're a
defendant and it puts the case squarely in front of the judge as a bench trial and then a question of law and not fact. jurors are fact determiners. they determine the facts from each side. but when you put it in front of a judge, you are conceding the facts and asking for the judge to make a ruling specifically on the law. and in the case like this, where public opinion and pressure weighs so heavily, making it about black and white better law, it gives the defendants more of a fighting chance. this is a strategic move and would not surprise me to see any one of the four defendants opt for a bench trial, as well. >> we could see very different outcomes because the roles the different officers played, vary depending on the day. correct? >> absolutely. when it comes to liable or criminally liable, a civil trial or a criminal trial, because everyone had a level of responsibility that differed from the next, because everyone had different actions that differed from the next officer
that was sporm for doing whatever it was in terms of transporting freddie gray and keeping him in custody, you absolutely could see different outcomes and right now it appears that the state's case is in trouble. >> thank you so much. we'll talk again. next one is a big one. appreciate it. next city under siege. more than two years after the iraqi city of fallujah fell into isis hands, right now the battle to take it back. we have exclusive new video in to cnn taking you to the front lines. that's next. also, four climbers, four, killed in four days on mt. everest. what went so terribly wrong? we'll talk to someone that attempted it four times. made it to the summit once. what does he think, coming up. u. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you don't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies.
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we're back with breaking news in the fight against isis. bombs hailing down on the iraqi city of fallujah, a city u.s. soldiers fought and died to liberate. now the flashpoint of a violent assault against isis. these are the brand new pictures believed to show a battle to retake the stronghold and just like in 2004, americans are again involved in the fight. mostly from the sky. the iraqi prime minister talking to national tv today making the announcement telling all citizens in the city to flee. to get out. let's talk about that with lieutenant colonel scott mann,
welcome back. >> hey, brooke. thank you for having me on. >> straight to it. fallujah. isis took control january 14. the assault now why and remind us why it's so strategically important. >> well, i mean, first of all, fallujah's a critical city in terms of infrastructure to iraq. it's an extremely large city. and it's also home to a lot of marginalized sunnis and so taking this town back is critical to overall iraqi stability. i think it's a good idea, obviously, too root them out of here but i'm concerned, brooke, how many times have we swept through the cities in the last 15 years? i don't think it's the singular strategy that it's enough. >> hmm. we were just talking on tv last week about baghdad and baghdad you had dozens who were killed in a wave of bombings at outdoor markets and restaurants there. and so, you know, now the new
attempt to retake fallujah. i know you have said it's time to change the game by going local. tell me what you mean by that. >> well, absolutely. i mean, you know, during the iraqi surge in 2006, our coalition forces worked with many of those same marginalized sunni tribes that isis is leveraging as safe haven. we did the same thing in afghanistan as i talk about in the book "game changer." those are the folks that we have to work with. those are the folks exploited by isis, the sunnis right now if we don't work with them from the bottom up, the shia-based military and the iranian-backed shia militias are simply going to drive a wedge between those sunnis and the iraqi state an makes it so easy for isis to tell the narrative that the iraqi government and our forces are out to get those sunnis. >> i know we are talking isis now and big news over the
weekend with taliban. the highest ranking officer was killed in an airstrike. president obama calling it an important milestone. you know, already the taliban is selecting a new leader. manzur was against peace talks. what about the successor? what do you know about that? >> well, what i know is this, brooke, is that i don't want to minimize, you know, taking a guy like manz ru out, it's a milestone. how many milestones in this war under both administrations? you know, what our nonprofit is pushing out to all of our political candidates right now on both sides of the aisle is, this taking the head off the snake, manzur, bin laden, it does not win the war. we have to have a broader strategy to help local populations push back and fight back from the bottom up. until we do that, we can play whack-a-mole all day long and
will have a short-term effect. >> it is a success. >> they know it. >> whack-a-mole or not it's significant. >> absolutely. it is a success but we have had a lot of tactical and even strategic successes over the year. if we don't change the game at the grassroots level, where these guys embed themselves and mobilize locals against the government it's just a short-term win and we keep expending blood and treasure for strategic gain on their part and feeds their narrative and in the end i'm not sure it's a strategic a win as we like to think it is. >> thank you as always. a reminder to you tonight fareed zakaria with a special on terror, "why they hit us" 9:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. next, paul ryan suggesting you should vote for a party and not necessarily a candidate. hmm. we'll talk to former republican governor and three-term senator of new hampshire judd gregg.
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welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. listen. a lot of republicans deeply divided over whether or not to support their presumptive nominee donald trump but if the gop comes together trump could become -- absolutely could become the next president, that's the word from speaker of the house paul ryan, very blunt about the differences with mr. trump, made peace with him earlier this month, met face 0 face with him and tells politico
the priority of the republican party should be recapturing the white house. >> i think if we get our party unified and do the work we need to do to be at full strength and offer the country a clear and compelling agenda that it is inspiring, inclusive, that fixes problems, that is solutions based and based on good principles, then, yes, i think we can win but i think that this is a we. not just one person but a we. >> joining me now to talk about this, former republican governor 'three-term senator of new hampshire, judd gregg. he's a ranking member of the senate budget committee. he originally endorsed jeb bush in the presidential race. senator, wonderful to have you. >> thank you, brooke. thank you for having me. >> so, let me just -- you know, pull the band-aid off and now that mr. trump is presumptive nominee, will you support him and vote for him in november? >> i'll take the ryan aprech and listen.
i think it's important to have policies to turn this country around. how we continue to create jobs and how we'll continue to keep america safe. and i think donald trump really needs to come out and be fair think specific in those areas and as he evolves and gets specific i expect he'll nominate the party behind him. at this time i'm not joining him. >> voting for the party and not the candidate, is that what you agree with beyond the specifics? >> voting for the party as long as it stands for what speaker ryan just outlined which is a very definitive, creative, upbeat agenda of creating jobs and making our nation safe. that's what we want and as a party and presenting as the face of the party. >> let's get your reaction of polls showing trump and clinton in a statistical dead heat and "the washington post"/abc with trump 2-point lead over
secretary clinton. nbc/"wall street journal" clinton leads by 3 points. what do you attribute that to? is it clinton's bernie problem? is it trump's momentum? something else? >> i think there are two things here. first, democratic party has a very structural, big structural problem, much more so than oir party. our party is a flamboyant nominee erratic on occasion and believes in the american capitalist market system, he believes in keeping america strong. their party is going aggressively to the left and you have in bernie sanders a person who's running as a socialist and that would take our nation in an entirely different direction than we had. it would be sort of a french solution how you govern and hillary is basically trying to out-bernie bernie on issues and losing the support of middle of america and a center right
populati population. i think donald trump is starting to mod late the message. today he met with bob corker, probably the leader authority in the senate on foreign policy and thoughtful person in the senate and that shows me he's going to try to get himself together on issues that are critical to our nation by listening to thoughtful people. >> it's significant, thank you, because where i'm going next, senator, we know that senator corker came to new york and met with mr. trump at trump tower. if there's a bob corker on the ticket, senator, would that sweeten the deal for you as far as saying yes to trump? >> i'd vote for donald trump if bob corker were on the ticket. >> wow. >> he is one of the best members of the senate and one of the reasons is because he goes places, he goes and meets foreign leaders, the people of various countries, all over the world and goes to places you would never want to go to and nice places and totally
understands our position in the world vis-a-vis our allies and enemies and one of the strongest voices in the senate on foreign policy. >> all right. that is significant. noted. moving on. you almost foresaw the second headline of the numbers here. i know you wrote a piece for "the hill" of how clinton and trump two sides of the same coin. let me, you know, prove your point with these numbers that we know according to polls, more than 50% of potential voters view hillary clinton and donald trump unfavorably. talking about the presidency, no matter which party, first 100 days, a grace period. right? people give you the benefit of the doubt and looking at those numbers, basically half the country, they're so polarizing, half the country don't like either of them. this is a first, sir. >> it's very serious to our culture in my opinion. that was the point of my piece because our culture always gives a new president the benefit of
the doubt and great optimism no matter which party the person's from but that's not the case this time because literally half the people either dislike or distrust whoever wins the presidency and first 100 days when the president can move their agenda, that probably won't occur. immediate opposition and our culture of optimism at the core of america, which makes us so different than the rest of the world is eroded by a negative atmosphere created by the two candidates running in the negative. >> that is a major problem. that is a major problem. >> it is a major problem. >> either of them elected to further your point, what then happens? >> well, i think they have to work much harder than most new presidents do to be inclusive and bring people in the process who clearly are not comfortable with them. secondly, they have to have an upbeat, positive agenda. can't be structured in the
negative. so much of the campaign on both sides of the aisle has been very, very negative about america. it's been running down our nation in very specific ways. for example, the class warfare of president obama carried forward by bernie sanders and by hillary clinton. or this everything is rigged theory that donald trump espouses which is again in the negative. this country is a great nation. and it gives our people more opportunity than any country in the history of the world to give its people and talk about that and not the negatives all the time. >> i like your optimism, sir. let me ask you, though. i would be remiss not to ask you, you know, back in 2009 you were nominated to be president obama's commerce secretary. you withdrew citing ir resolvable conflicts with the newly elected president and then republicans, you know, people who came and said that you, you know, contributed to the hyper partisanship of the obama era. how would you respond to critics
for saying that? >> i would respond to them i made a mistake. that i should have seen very early before it became public that the president's policy on spending which was really my expertise, i was chairman of the budget committee, and mine were very much at odds. as you know, in the cabinet, number one job of the cabinet member is 100% in the president 100% of the time. would have been impossible for me. i knew that looking at the stimulus package, not appropriately allocated and i sensed it would get more serious going down the road. honestly, it was my mistake. i should have seen it earlier and not accepted the job. i always felt badly about it in the sense that i put the president in an uncomfortable position but he -- to his credit, very fair and decent about the fact that i did not proceed with the job and i respect him very much for that. >> all right. former new hampshire governor, senator, judd gregg, thank you so much. >> thank you, brooke. pleasure.
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this plane. richard quest is with me. cnn aviation correspondent and also author of "the vanishing of flight mh370." on that note, with the smoke detection, the acars and what that indicates. >> acars is basically a glori glorified communication tool communicating between the satellite and the ground. it sends all sorts of information, everything from flight planning to something might be going wrong with the aircraft for maintenance and the gate arriving at to tell passengers. it's nothing more than a glorified information exchange from the aircraft to the ground. >> so what about the smoke? >> we have got warnings of sensors on the windows, warning of sensors of smoke in the lavatory. and warning of smoke in the avionics bay under beneath the cockpit. we don't -- we know these messages received. we don't know if they're valid or real smoke or a failure of
the system. more importantly, we have no idea what the cause of that smoke might be. we can speculate to heart's content of an incendiary device and mechanical failure. >> the ping, ping -- that's what it is? >> more of a click noise it makes. >> how long? >> 30 days. >> okay. >> what the manufacturers guarantee for the batteries. maybe a bit more. could be a bit more in good order. now we're really back to looking at the bottom of the mediterranean sea and hoping to find and listen for that ping. you have got about a mile or so where you can hear it. maybe just a bit less. so you've got to get as close as you can, scour as much of the area as you can and listening for that ping, a particular frequency and only that frequen frequency. if you hear it, you try and late and move in on it. what would help greatly is
locating the main buttilk of th fuselage. >> hopefully the answer for the families. richard quest, thank you so much as always. just in to cnn, ahead of veterans affairs facing criticism for the experience of waiting in line at disneyland? you will hear the comment and the immediate reaction next. you pay your car insurance
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this is a deadly week on mt. everest. four people died in four days while climbing the world's highest peak and learning more about the two. 36-year-old eric arnold of the netherlands died friday night after a successful summit. a heart attack is suspected there and then saturday maria died after altitude sickness.
the 34-year-old climbing with her husband. this is the first climbing season by the way in two and a half years after the deadly avalanche in 2014. follow bd i the catastrophic earthquake in nepal last year putting climbing to a total halt and joining me is a man that knows mt. everest quite well. attempted summit four times. reached the summit in 2011. a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you, brooke, for having me. >> let's get to it. you have a window every year, april, may, when lots of folks flock to everest for an experience that you have had. when you hear four deaths in four days, alan, does that seem high to you? >> you know, sadly, it does not. if you go back to 2000 to 2015 and i consider to be modern times, there's an average of seven deaths every single year from a low of 1 in 2006 to a high of 22 last year as you
referenced from the earthquake. >> you know, as pointed this year is the deaths aren't avalanches. it's more altitude sickness and leading to searches over, you know, bottlenecks, so many people all up there at the same time and perhaps people not able to climb, you know, groups are lowering rates, therefore perhaps not up to par equipment, sherpa concerns. can you weigh in on that? >> yeah. there's two or three issues here. you know, mt. everest is a huge mountain and can accommodate a lot of people at one time but at this point we're having -- this year we will have somewhere around 500 people to summit just from the nepal side and 200 probably from the tibet side and may 19th close to 200 people summited in one day and one of the issues on that particular day was that you had a very large team of about 40 climbers on one team and they were going extremely slowly and so other
climb earls got stuck behind them and very difficult to pass somebody on mt. everest using a single nylon rope as a safety line and you're clipped in to it. you put yourself at danger to unclip and stuck behind slow people and then over time potentially you run out of oxygen and go slow and develop fatigue, cold and frostbite. certainly crowds are an issue. >> alan arnette, we're out of time. thank you so much for weighing in. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, brooke. all right. let's continue on. you are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. top of the hour here. he's one of the highest ranking republicans to meet with donald trump on trump's own turf. moments ago, republican senator bob corker, a leader on the
senate foreign relations committee, finished meeting mr. trump here at trump tower in new york and feeding the talk that he is a potential vp pick. let's go to sarah murray she is there at trump tower. tell me what did senator corker and donald trump, what exactly did they discuss? do we know? >> well, brooke, senator corker was careful to come out and say i have no reason to think i'm being considered for donald trump's vp. he said he would say it until he's blue in the face and said it's a get to know you meeting and talk about issues at the 10,000-foot level and dig in a little bit on foreign policy issues and corker's expertise. take a listen to what he told reporters coming out of the meeting. >> you know, we talked more about china, russia, you know, i will tell you what's interesting. i met my counterpart this last
week from china. the fact that he's challenging some of the status quo, it is causing these countries to think a little bit differently about u.s. -- the u.s. and i say that in a positive way. >> reporter: now, brooke, i can tell you in talking to trump allies today they say even if corker is not on trump's vp short list, even if he doesn't end up under consideration, this is still someone to help donald trump get a better grasp on a number of foreign policy issues, adds gravitas and could be helpful if trump does win. >> there's the senator corker visit. that's a huge deal today. talk to me about the polls showing mr. trump rising and gaining on secretary clinton. >> reporter: well, these are polls that have the trump campaign very happy because there was a lot of conventional
wisdom whirling around that if it was a donald trump versus hillary clinton general election and she would win in a blowout and still early. new national polls show a race that's tightening significantly, brooke. if you look at "the new york post"/abc poll, clinton at 44%. donald trump at 46%. a dead heat there and "wall street journal"/nbc polls shows essentially the same thing. hillary clinton at 46%. donald trump at 43%. what that says is this point predicting a blowout, this could be a much closer, bloodier general election battle than we may have been anticipating, brooke. >> thank you. at trump tower. moments ago, hillary clinton hit donald trump on what is considered to be his forte, the economy. listen to what she said to a major labor group, the services employees international union. >> if he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies.
[ applause ] i mean, ask yourself, how can anybody lose money running a casino. really. >> with me now, joe barelli, co-chair of trump's new york campaign. and cnn political contributor, bob beckel. bankrupting america? >> i don't know what secretary clinton knows about the economy. she's never created a job in her life. donald trump has. you know? she's free to say what she wants, pandering to the friends in the labor movement there. i'm not terribly concerned. i think she is doing everything to avoid the conversation about today's and this weekend's poll results. >> a quick response, first of all, when i summited everest, nobody gave me credit for that. the thing about trump is trump, yeah, he's got people to work on
the buildings and a lot of them immigrants coming over and done their job and gone back over. here's a guy, the champion of keeping illegal immigrants out and yet when they build his buildings he finds over half the workers are not americans. >> okay. i'm going to come back to you on everest offline, sir. >> please, please. >> let me ask you, bob, with regard to the polls, mr. trump has to be thrilled at seeing, you know, the big mo on his side gaining on secretary clinton. i have to ask how shaken are liberals here? >> not much. i'm through seven presidential campaigns and getting through this stage, the polls are useful. they'll change. but it reflects two things. trump after being the nominee, the presumptive nominee, the republicans rallied around him and hillary clinton has not had the support of the democrats because a lot of bernie sanders people are not saying in polls they're going to vote for her. they will. easy thing to organize is going
to be donald trump. >> noteworthy, though, looking at the polls and you say they don't matter, interesting different days people say they do and they don't. 20% of sanders supporters will go toward trump which is something that secretary clinton is going to need to -- that's what they say. i'm just saying -- >> that's what they say. i have done a lot of polls. that's fine. let them believe that. that's like going to the wizard of oz and asking for support. sanders supporter going with donald trump? won't happen. may not vote. >> let's get to the issues. chuck the polls. specifically on guns, we are doing the show live and saw the nra officially endorsing mr. trump but then there was the flip flop on his stance on guns. joe, i'm coming to you. here's the sound. >> i don't want to have guns in classrooms although in some cases teachers should have guns in classrooms, frankly. but i'm not advocating guns in
classroom but remember in some cases and a lot of people have made this case, teachers should have guns, trained teachers should be able to have guns in classrooms. >> shouldn't have guns, here's who should have guns. flip flops and one thing to evolve over time or something happens and another like 20 seconds later. point number one. point number two on climate change, politico unearthed a permit application in ireland trying to build a seawall to protect from global warming an the effects. he had said it wasn't a thing. how do you explain that? >> take the gun issue first. donald trump's position on the second amendment is fairly clear from the start and made somewhat of an unclear statement there regarding teachers and whether there should be armed personnel in schools and the opposition to, you know, second argument or restrictive second amendment policies is 2013 and even here in new york outspoken against the new york gun law.
as far as climate change, you know, you can't blame someone. we don't know the full details of scotland. we don't know the scottish law. i won't hypothesize and even he was responsible for putting that line in that application. but i just want to point out to bob, it is funny how bob mentioned time and time again or cited the polls and now the polls don't matter and not showing his preferred candidate winning. >> i don't cite polls. i think they're a waste of time. i think trump's statement about teachers, some teachers might have guns is a reasonable position to take mu he got the nra endorsement and caused a big rift in the nra so he's running a fine line here trying to have it both ways and with the nra you don't get it both ways. >> let me move on. bill clinton, bill clinton just said this. roll the sound. >> we're going to grow this economy and put every american on an escalator to a brighter future.
make america great again really means, hey, i'll make it the way it used to be. you will be better off f. you're not, at least you will have someone else to look down on. it's a dumb idea. it will not work. >> all right. so, you know, make america great again, the slogan for the trump campaign and so now you have critics asking trump saying pick a year. when was america last great? what is your answer to is that? >> what's your answer? it is identifying this notion that many americans have that eight years of barack obama, prior administrations, whether they're democrat or republicans led the country in a misguided way. and trump has done a successful job in sort of channelling that by his message. it's been consistent from day one and now we see that once he's -- secured the republican nomination, more people gravitating towards it and former president making hey out
of nothing and trying to grasp at straws and sounded off speaking there. >> bob? >> listen. president clinton was president in the greatest economic expansion in history. more jobs created, wages went up and has some standing to be talking about. i wonder what donald trump's standing is. he talks about the economy. what? one of these days. brooke had a good point. where was it not great? what will you do to make it greater? sbe specifically. >> question on a date and time. thank you, gentlemen, very much. this, news just in to us. the head of the veterans affairs under fire for comparing the time of medical treatment wait to wait times at disneyland.
veterans affairs secretary macdonald down playing the fact that veterans died waiting for appointments. speaking with reporters at a breakfast, he claimed his agency should not use wait times as a measure of success because disney doesn't either. with that, drew griffin, give me some context. senior investigative correspondent. you broke the story on the deadly va wait list. what exactly did he say, first of all? >> this came up in a conversation of a reporter at the christian science monitor breakfast trying to kind of nail down what we have been trying to nail down for years now, i must say, years. how the va measures wait times and the va says it's better and it's an issue of a create date and when asked about it, this is what the va secretary said. >> what really counts is how does the veteran feel about their encounter with the va? we go to disney.
do they measure the number of hours you wait in line? or the number -- you know, when's important? what's important is what you's your satisfaction with the experience? >> what has outraged a lot of people about that statement is that many people and the statistics show that wait times still a pretty big problem at the va and these are people waiting in line for medical care, not people waiting in line to ride a dumbo ride or something like that. just last month, the government accounting office said that new recruit, newly enrolled people in the va system, half of them they surveyed are not getting timely care at the va and when's worse, the gao confirmed what we have been reporting, it is so convoluted and complex of how the va measures the wait times, brooke, i don't think the va know what is their wait times are. >> wow. who has, drew, spoken out since the comments at this breakfast? i understand donald trump is one of the voices.
>> almost immediately in terms of a tweet and donald trump tweeted out this. the obama's va secretary said we shouldn't wait times. hillary says it's not widespread problems. i'll take care of the vets. reince priebus, the chairman of the republican committee also put out a statement. he was criticizing this. talking about the fact that, you know, hundreds of thousands of veterans reportedly died waiting for care due to mismanagement. that is not entirely accurate. you get the gist. i think the most thoughtful comment from the house chairman jeff miller tried to run that committee in a bipartisan fashion, brooke. and he released a statement later this afternoon and he said unfortunately nearly two years after macdonald took over the department's wait time rhetoric doesn't match up with the reality of experiences. atempbs of department officials to down play the significance of wait times for va medical care will only further erode the
trust of the veterans, the department is charged with serving. it may have been some ill advised comments made by the va secretary but the underlying belief among many republicans now is that the va administration still is denying and defending the practices and not living up to the reality which is vets are still waiting, brooke. still waiting for care. >> keep digging, drew agriculture. thank you so much to you and your team. thank you for pointing that out and us getting that on. i appreciate that. just ahead, he once told donald trump to go to hell. and now, senator graham is privately telling republican donors back this guy. we'll talk with the fund-raiser of an event where that was said. and two actors, one idea that could change the entire democratic race. hear who woody harrelson and mark ruffle lo think should be running mates of donald trump. an officer charged in the freddie gray death is cleared of all charges.
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breaking news today out of baltimore. the second police officer to stand trial in last year's high-profile death of freddie gray is acquitted on all charges, edward nero. opted for a bench trial, only a judge to ultimately decide his case instead of a jury. and for him, it paid off. nero one of the three bike officers involved in the initial arrest and encounter with freddie gray. gray ultimately died of a fatal spinal injury after he wasn't restrained inside a police van and the judge here in baltimore said essentially there's no acts in evidence to show the death. his attorney said he's glad the nightmare is over and protesters visibly upset. yet another trial ended without a guilty verdict. remember the first, a hung jury.
today the attorney for gray's family praising the judge's decision. >> i found no problem with the judge's reasoning. and of course, the outcome about how he weighed the evidence is up to him and not to us. i commend judge williams because he's one of the rare judges that disregarded public opinion. there was enormous pressure from the african-american community. >> an african-american judge we should say. >> yes. he did not bend to that pressure. and so, i think that the family's going to respect that opinion and await the outcome of the rest of the cases. >> let me bring in cnn legal analyst and defense attorney danny savalo sen and an activist. gentlemen, thank you so much for being with me. and first just on the legal side, danny, beginning with you, we have point out, nero one of the six officers charged in this case. the second to stand trial.
the judge finding he cannot be blamed for gray's death. can you explain that? >> sure. causation. with multiple defendants here, the prosecution has a challenge in making a proof that any one of them caused the death. as we understand, legal causation to mean. there are also legal challenges the prosecution had here. was the initial stop lawful under existing case law? was the initial arrest also lawful and finally did this officer have the legal privilege to reasonably rely on his brother officer's determination to make that initial arrest? what you have here with this defendant is in this group of defendants who are being charged and tried separately his relative culpability was certainly on the lower end of the spectrum. which is something of a risk when the prosecution charges him individually. they have to essentially say he is a piece of a larger pie and the piece that this defendant contributed to was enough to
cause a death. >> deray, before we get to the next trial of the officer driving the van, i want your thought. when you heard the news of the acquittal today in baltimore, what were you thinking? >> disappointed but not unexpected. we know this is one of six trials. this is only acquittal. the trial before this ended up with the hung jury and again what came out of today wasn't that -- the judge didn't say he was not involved in freddie's death but did not meet a legal standard. the work continues that the law enforcement officer bill of rights essentially protects the officers at all costs in the state of maryland so there are a host of the things that the activist community and people across the city continue to work for thinking about police and this is one of six cases and people will be vigilant about working towards the other cases, as well. >> delay, i'm curious of the interview of miguel marquez and billy murphy praising that judge today pointing out that he's african-american, really, you know, holding up in a very high
regard, respecting the decision he made. thoughts on that? >> yeah. so, billy murphy's an incredible lawyer in the city and we agree that freddie gray should be alive today. we agree he would be alive today. i respect his legal opinion around the judge's decision and i know that if this officer hadn't intervened freddie would be here and we're looking forward to the next five trials to see the outcomes there and somebody who's held responsible for his death. >> deray, do you think had this decision involved a jury instead of just a judge, do you think there would have been a different outcome? >> i do think that public has a different way of understanding the facts, especially when it involves a police and could have been powerful alternative. we look at the first your that led to a hung jury so we don't know. i'm hopeful about the rest of the cases. the one with the driver should
be different. we know that all six officers played very different roles with regard to the death and see how it plays out but again we are in this for the long haul and one setback does not mean we're not focused on the end results. >> the final point the next trial. i think the date is june 6th. i believe that's officer goodson driving the van. talk about his role beyond that and how it could have a different outcome. >> well, with all of these defendants, now that you're increasingly a mistrial on the first one, an acquittal, the prosecution is going to have a mounting challenge because this acquittal, the news is going to get around. you could potentially taint a jury pool an may have defense attorneys opting for a bench only trial. which normally people say is bad for defendants. but in a case where you have issues of law that a jury might not be as able to grasp of an issue of judge and arrest and the privilege to arrest and
stop, those might be issues better suited for a judge. but as a general rule, a bench only trial is viewed as a gambit, as a risky proposition. now tested, you may see defendants opting for that. >> early june, all eyes on baltimore. danny and deray, thank you both for your time. i appreciate that. we'll pick it up in a couple of weeks in the next trial. meantime, next, the top commander of u.s. troops goes on a top secret trip to syria to visit special forces training the rebels there and our pentagon correspondent barbara starr was the only tv journalist invited along and joins us live with the exclusive reporting from syria. your finger tips.wer at like the power to earn allstate reward points, every time i drive. ...want my number? and cash back for driving safe. and the power to automatically find your car... i see you car! and i got the power to know who's coming
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organizations to join him. a long-time special operations soldier himself, wanted to lay his own eyeballs on the efforts there and see how things were progressing. these are the first images ever shown publicly from a u.s. special operations training camp in northern syria. from here and other secret nearby locations, the u.s. military is racing time to train enough local syrian forces so they can push south towards raqqah, isis' declared capital. cnn was the only television network with general joseph otel on a secret day long trip to syria. he overseas the war against isis. >> my principle purpose was to meet with some of the syrian democratic force leadership and multiple locations and also to meet with our adviser. >> reporter: general votel has
come to northern syria under extraordinary security conditions, in fact, we have been asked not to reveal a number of details on how we all got here. but votel considers this part of the war a top priority and here to meet with the advisers helping the local troops you see work to defeat isis. volunta he went to multiple locations we've been asked not to disclose. meeting with key leaders. and an umbrella organization overseeing many of the young arab fighters the u.s. is training. a spokesman being trained here is critical of u.s. efforts. he says his group urgently needs more ammunition and weapons. beyond the few ammunition supplies he says the u.s. has delivered. >> translator: we have been given a number of old rifles.
>> reporter: we are not allowed to show details of the base, our cameras are restricted. security is so high here the u.s. advisers want their faces shielded but they do want to talk about the training. you're a military adviser here. what do you do here? >> we are here training the syrian democratic forces. now, when i say training, generally, that's consisting of basic level weapons training, shooting ak-47s and large machine guns. >> reporter: the four-star general taking an extraordinary step to see it all firsthand. >> have responsibility for this mission, responsibility for the people that we put here so it's imperative for me to come and see what they're dealing with, to share the risk they're absorbing on a day-to-day basis. >> reporter: even as the arab fighters here patrol the surrounding fields, and stand watch getting ready for whatever
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all kinds of speculation still. listen. just may. talking about potential vice presidents for donald trump or for hillary clinton. but i can tell you that there was a significant meeting happened in trump tower today. senator bob corker, chairs the senate foreign relations committee in new york just a bit ago. met with the presumptive republican nominee at trump tower. he says they discussed foreign policy, domestic issues and senator corker, of course, when asked, down played any speculation that trump would be
considering him on the ticket. here he is. >> i have no reason whatsoever to believe that i'm being considered for a position like that. you know? i'll say that until i'm blue in my face. it is just, again, this was a meeting between two people who didn't know each other except over phone calls. getting to know each other and that's it. >> let me bring in gloria borger. gloria, i had three-time senator and new hampshire -- former new hampshire governor judd gregg on the show last hour and was i don't know about mr. trump and likes paul ryan and what he said thus far and if bob corker is on the ticket he is in. >> bob corker's a very popular guy. he is -- he is not too far to the right of the party. not too far to the left. he's got a 63% rating by the american conservative yung. that's 63 out of 100. he's somebody when's worked alo across the aisle.
he's the chair of the foreign relations committee. he knows how to work with people in congress which, after all, one of the qualifications that donald trump spoken about. by the way, i'd also add that he's quite wealthy in his own right. and had something to do with real estate. he was in the construction business a while back. so he and trump may have that in common. >> hmm. hmm. >> yeah. >> we continue to wonder what could happen there. from republicans to democrats, over the weekend at a movie junket woody harrellson and mark rufalo, stopped talking hollywood for a minute and started talking politics. here they were. >> you want party unity? hillary, pick bernie. >> that would be a hell of a ticket. >> a hell of a ticket. >> you heard it here. >> party unity, pick bernie. >> first of all, i just love they're at a junket and totally start talking politics.
secondly, would pigs fly before secretary clinton would choose bernie sanders? >> yeah. i don't think that's going to happen. everyone talking about barack obama to pick hillary clinton, too. do you remember that? >> sure. >> i don't think bernie sanders wants to be a number two to hillary clinton, first of all. secondly, if you want to attract independents, i think bernie sanders on the ticket is not the way to do it. and i think that while bernie sanders does test well against donald trump in his own right, he would be in the number two slot and so he's had a lot of pronounced differences with hillary clinton. and i don't think bernie sanders is the kind of candidate who would suddenly say, never mind. you know? he spent a lifetime fighting for a lot of issues and i think the way he has more impact, quite frankly, right now is on the platform of the democratic party. he's now gotten five seats on that platform committee.
we have just learned. and that's important for him. but i really don't see, you know, those people who had fought for the nomination, like he has tooth and nail, not giving in, continuing to california saying oh, by the way, i would be happy to be number two and i don't see her doing it. >> you took the words out of my mouth. i don't know if he would be and so glad you reported this on the platform. part of the leverage. gloria borger, thank you so much as always. >> sure, sure. next, he called donald trump every name in the book. and now, senator lindsey graham quietly urging republican donors to get behind the republican front-runner. we'll talk live with someone part of a closed door meeting who has some scoop. o. live in tokyo. when you airbnb, you have your own home. so, live there. even if it's just for a night.
over the weekend. senator graham reportedly told those in attendance it was time to unite between -- behind, rather, trump's campaign. pretty remarkable considering what the south carolina senator has said about trump in the past. >> if donald trump was sitting right here instead of me, what would you tell him? >> shut the hell up. shallow. ill prepared to be commander in chief. he's a religious by got. he thinks putin's a good guy. he said the worst things possible about immigrants and women and a complete idiot. you know how you make america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. >> well, changing his tune. senator graham spokesperson confirmed the senator was indeed at the florida fund-raiser on saturday. would not confirm senator graham's specific remarks on trump. for that, we turn to someone that organized the event in the room. teresa daly, a prominent florida republican fund-raiser. nice to have you on and give me
the scoop. what did senator graham say about mr. trump? >> hi, brooke. you know, it was really encouraging. you know, i think a lot of us in palm beach have just seen donald from a personal standpoint and we know his heart and how charitable he is, what a great man he is on a personal level and i think a lot of fear has come into the establishment over the past couple of months and just afraid to have somebody out of the box come into the fold. but obviously, he's doing exactly what he promised to do. he said he would unite the party and he is doing that. senator graham i guess is a good example of donald doing that now. >> what did he say, exactly? >> well, you know, his position hasn't changed. but, you know, as he said many times, he's had several conversations with donald. they've been very good. he's asking the right questions. senator graham is very pleased and impressed with the list of supreme court justices that
donald has chosen and, you know, it's to be seen. he's unifying the party by reaching out to people who have called him names and hurt it shows not only that he holds a lot of grace and this man has a heart that is just gold and wants to do the right thing for this country no matter what anybody has said about him. and i think the establishment is seeing that and one of the things that senator graham made very clear was that we cannot have hillary clinton as our next president. it cannot happen. so whatever we need to do, we need to make sure that we support the party and he never said -- i just want to be clear, he never said get behind donald trump exactly. what he did say is that we need to get behind the party and support the party and do what we need to do to raise the funds necessary to make sure that donald j. trump -- >> real quickly, since we're
talking about the pennies, nickels and dimes, "the new york times" interviewed 50 high-profile donors and it's been a bit of a mix of reaction. i'm curious, what do you think they are waiting for to support mr. trump? >> i think what they are waiting for is, number one, a green light from donald trump and the rnc, the joint fundraising committee that they have set up. number two, i think they are waiting for leaders like senator graham, senator corker, who is from the state that i actually do reside in half the time of the year, tennessee. he is wonderful and has an open ear to hear what donald trump has to say. i think they are saying, hey, we've got to unify and come together. we can not continue to divide. the bible says, a house divided will not stand. we hear that over and over
again. if we as the republican party start to divide, it's not going to happen. we're going to fall. and donald trump is determined and has the ability and motivation and the character and the heart to make sure that we as americans come together and we are first. america first. and i think they are ready. they are ready. donors are ready. as soon as we give them the green light, we'll raise the money that we need to do to make sure that the job is done. >> teresa, thank you so much, republican fund-raiser, trump supporter, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> you're so welcome. thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, veterans have been protesting outside of trump tower after news that donald trump did not raise quite as much as he advertised. we'll talk to one of the protest advertisers about what they want from donald trump.
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some veterans are taking on donald trump outside of trump tower today. they want a number of things. including for him to apologize for him claiming that he donated $6 million. the campaign claims he only raised half of that amount. well, this is part of a continuing pattern. he makes these broad claims of how he supports veterans and things that he will stand for and he's showing that he's fundamentally unreliable. >> joining me now, specialist kerry o'brien who served as a medic in afghanistan and is a bernie sanders supporter. nice to meet you. welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> is this more than the money
that they say, more than just the money that they say they raised? >> certainly. this missing money or money that never existed is really just part of a longer -- very long running and deeply disturbing pattern of donald trump using -- really exploiting political props to further his own agenda. >> can we, though, give the trump folks the benefit of the doubt? they said they had big dollar donors who committed to x. they pulled out. whether it's 3.1 or 4.5 million, whoever you are listening to, that's still a chunk of change for the veteran community. >> sure. absolutely. if there were anything in donald trump's history that suggested that he was in any way emotionally invested in supporting veterans and their family members other than when he decided to run for president, i think veterans would extend that benefit of the doubt. given the nature of the spectacle, it raises a lot of
questions. >> let me ask you, the vets versus this movement. you were with muslims. what is that bigger picture? what is this all about for you? >> i think more many veterans that i know, the moment of outrage with donald trump was usually something that he said about a particular group. i served as a medic with muslim interpreters. i worked with a lot of women who, unlike donald trump, donned the uniform and served their country. donald trump seems only interested in serving donald trump. for a lot of us we believe that as commander in chief trump would be dangerous and reckless and put american lives at risk and we can't afford to have a reckless bigot representing the most powerful military on earth. >> a lot of veterans would
disagree with you. but i appreciate your perspective, especially as a bernie sanders supporter, i want to hear from all different perspectives and supporters. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. we're going to send it to washington. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks, brooke. new polls show that if you're still doubting donald trump, you've got to stop. "the lead" starts now. bernie sanders digs in. saying that he's taking the fight against hillary clinton all the way to the convention no matter what. should donald trump be thanking him? vp buzz. today, donald trump meets with a guy who has lots of foreign policy experience on the back of his baseball card. could trump tell senator bob corker, you're hired? plus, was it terror? was it mechanical? a submarine now searching for egyptair 804's black boxes in the mediterranean sea as