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visit cnn.com/thelead for more information. follow me on facebook and twitt twitter @jaketapper. now it's time for wolf blitzer and "the situation room." the first verdict in the freddie gray custody case. what does it mean for the other five officers awaiting trial? >> technical or terror? an urgent search in the mediterranean for the black boxes for egyptair air flight 804. new questions about whether it was brought down by terrorism or a technical problem. could thousands of other airliners be at risk. dead heat. donald trump pulls ahead of hillary clinton in two new polls. could clinton be facing a much tougher race than she expected?
and secret soldiers. in a television exclusive, cnn's barbara starr goes on a secret trip to syria to see how u.s. troops are training militia fighters to battle isis. can they succeed where they have failed before? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." all counts relating to the custody of eddie gray, edward nero, one of six officers charged in the case and the second to be tried. gray's led to widespread rioting and tensions have been high surrounding the case. the hunt is being stepped up, meanwhile, for the crucial black boxes which could help explain what happened to egyptair flight 804 and the search in the eastern mediterranean is now going under water.
an automated system on the airliner sent messages about smoke in the front of the aircraft just before it plunged into the sea. but there are new questions about whether the plane was brought down by terrorism or a technical problem. two new polls suggest hillary clinton has lost what was once a big lead over donald trump and is now in a dead heat for the white house. the polls also indicate that the two rivals are as close as possible when it comes to favorability. our correspondents, analysts and guests all have full coverage of the day's top stories but let's begin with a baltimore police officer not found guilty in the arrest and death of freddie gray. let's go to miguel marquez in baltimore. what happens in it?
>> reporter: when the judge read the verdict "not guilt," he was in shock and just began to sob. an incredibly emotional time in that courtroom. shortly there after, edward nero's brother left and was thronged by protesters out there, presumably thinking it was edward nero leaving the courtroom and then he left under very, very heavy security. nero's lawyer issued the following statement. "the state's attorney rushed to charge him as well as the other five officers completely disregarding the facts of the case and the applicable law. his hope is the state's attorney will re-evaluate the other five cases and dismiss their charges. this case resolved around whether or not the arrests of freddie gray was legal or not. prosecutors arguing that the detention, the initial detention of freddie gray was lawful but at some point, as gray was
arrested, it became illegal. in that video you're watching right now, officer nero is the officer who takes freddie gray from the ground and into the van and he failed to put on a seat belt and that's why he was also charged. the judge was not buying it, saying the prosecution did not make its case in either case, that the seat belt and arrest, both of those were perfectly fine for an officer to do. this is the second officer to be tried and the next trial is of the van driver, which will be a contentious trial. >> so far, the state's attorney was 0-2. the first trial was a mistrial, a hung jury so what does it look
like going forward? >> the defense is going to be rallying about what they heard today. this was a bench trial as well. he's the one who made this verdict and made the acquittal today. so they may have a hard time on several of these trials. >> miguel mar kequez, thank you. the urgent search being stepped up in the mediterranean for egyptair flight 804. the black boxes could provide clues. brian todd is joining us. what are you learning? >> we're now five days into the search for egyptair flight 804. time is critical. search teams have about 25 days to find the signals from those
black boxes. a key question tonight, do they have the right equipment in place to find those signals? >> reporter: the french patrolship scours the mediterranean searching for the fuselage for flight 804. the vessel has a small submarine and acoustic system specializing in finding pings. >> it's critical for the investigators to get those devices in the water and start searching. the batteries in the pingers are only good for 30 days. >> reporter: searchers call it the acoustic clock, when the batteries run out, it will be much harder to find the flight recorders and black boxes. experts say the ability to find the plane is limited. the water is almost two miles deep in some parts of the search area. veteran searchers tell cnn it's critical to get listening devices like the pinger locators
into the water. >> if these devices are not towed, it's kind of like looking in the grand canyon at night with a flashlight for a dime. >> reporter: meantime, chilling audio has been released. the pilot of flight 804 making his last calls to air traffic control as he speaks to a controller in zurich, the conversation is routine, nothing to indicate anything is wrong on board. >> thank you so much. good night. >> reporter: a short time later, the plane is lost on radar. there are also new questions tonight about automated messages transmitted by the plane. they indicated multiple spoke alerts in the front of the aircraft minutes before the crash. those transmissions also show there were problems with a heated window and a sliding window in the cockpit. records show that there have been electrical problems in airbus 320s. it's not clear if egyptair followed a directive from the faa 13 years ago to replace windshields flown by american
carriers. are the thousands of airbus 320s in the sky at any given time safe? >> one takes off anywhere around the world every 2 1/2 seconds. it's the workhorse of the countr country. >> there's a haunting coincidence surrounding this plane. the very same egyptair jet that crashed was the target of vandals about two years ago. "the times" says a message was written on the underside which said, "we will bring this plane down." so a few days after the crash, the task of investigators seems to have gotten more difficult. so far, no group has claimed responsibility for taking down this jet. officials have found nothing implicating the flight crew or security officials or passengers
on board. they must find the fuselage in the black boxes and it's only grown more intense. >> it certainly has. brian todd, thank you. i want to bring in our aviation expert richard quest. the clock is ticking. how much time do they have? >> well, 30 days is the warranty. you start the watch from the time it went into the water last thursday. the real disgrace, wolf, is that we're searching. and that's just sort of one of those things that aviation has not yet got a grip on. the reality tonight is that, once again, as we were with mh-370, we are scrambling around, this time on the bottom of the mediterranean sea, trying to find the fuselage, listening
for these pings and hoping to hear them before they run out. i'm more confident here than i was with 370. here, at least, it's a fairly controlled environment. yes, it's deep but they know what they are doing and where they are doing it. >> the acars system shows smoke was detected in the laboratory up front right before the plane began to descend. so what could that suggest? >> one of two things, wolf. this graphic shows that something has gone wrong. you have the lavatory and, now, to the next obvious question, as a result of nefarious activity, terrorists, what i find
particularly interesting about it, a three or four-minute gap from the number one there is no mayday and that's a long time for pilots to be flying a plane in heavily trafficked area and where they are going to be diverting from the airways and not pushing the button and saying mayday, we've got a fire on board. >> what could be the explanation that there was no mayday from the cockpit? >> first of all, they are overwhelmed and dealing with the crisis and in that case they are literally focus, focus, focus. i think there's another explanation and that is initially they are dealing with a crisis but perhaps if you look again, one of the fire is in the avionics bay, that's where all of the radios are. at that point you have to wonder whether they were able to get the mayday out. had the communication tools by
that point failed and they couldn't get a mayday out. the core message from what we've heard so far is that anyone who says that it was a bomb or a terrorist or mechanical is simply they don't know. everything on the table now, wolf. and i mean a lot. >> richard, stay with us. i want to bring in other experts, the former fbi assistant director, senior law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and peter goelz, managing director of ntsb and miles o'brien. miles, does this indicate a progressive chain of events rather than a single, catastrophic incident? >> it's kind of both, wolf it could be a singular incident which launches off dominos as a chain of events. if a singular event has only a singular consequence, generally
speaking you're going to live to tell that story. once the dominos start falling, we get the chain of events which lead to an accident. you take out any one link of that chain and you probably don't have a cataclysmic event. a bomb that is not big enough to blow it out of the sky could have launched this chain of events. >> preeter, what do you think? >> i agree. we don't know yet. we really don't know what the time frame is. it could have started some time before. remember, the pilots did not respond to the air traffic control message some three minutes before the event actually began. the hints towards terrorism
given out on the first day was probably inappropriate. >> well, you know, it's interesting because "the new york times," tom, had this story over the weekend saying this airbus, this particular plane that disappeared over the mediterranean and went down into the sea, there was arabic language written on the plane two years ago and the message was written in arabic, "we will bring this plane down." now, do you believe in coincidences or do you believe this potentially is related to this plane going down? >> i think it's pretty remote that it was related to that exact aircraft. to put something like that down and two years later you know this plane is here and now it's ready for us to put a bomb or put some device and now when you're talking about the acars system, what level of sophistication does it take to sabotage that system and cause it to be a terrorist crash by
means of mechanical failure. i don't put complete stock in that. >> by the time they wrote the graffiti, the plane's registration, the last two letters were cc and that's why they started that plane because they hated the president and they said, "we will bring this plane down." obviously, if you're an investigator, you have to look at the possibility. >> the other question is we. where are they now? why aren't they taking credit? where is isis that took credit within four hours. >> that was isis that took four hours. >> that's right. >> but isis in general, general isis took much longer to take credit for that. >> yeah, but the isis now, if this big of an event happens, they want to take credit as soon as possible. if it was aq --
>> right. >> if it was them, they are in competition with isis. they would quickly want to take credit. >> those are good points. stand by. much more to discuss. let's take a quick break. we'll resume our conversation right after this. recently, a 1954 mercedes-benz grand prix race car made history when it sold for a record price of just under $30 million. and now, another mercedes-benz makes history selling at just over $30,000. ♪ and to think this one actually has a surround-sound stereo. the 2016 cla. lease the cla250 for $299 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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happen if the two black boxes are never discovered? >> wow. i think a lot hinges on them, wolf. that's a shame. as richard was saying at the top, there's no reason we shouldn't know right now what happened on that aircraft and, frankly, if there's a fundamental mechanical problem, we need to know right away. if there's a security flaw in the system, we need to know these things instead of fishing around two miles beneath the sea. i think we won't get a final answer until the black boxes are found. i do know that we know where to look and when we get them it's a digital flight recorder which was pioneered. it's got lots and lots of data about what the machine was doing and the cockpit voice recorder and what the crew was contending with and noises in the cockpit. it's a shame we don't have access to the information in realtime. >> what about the debris that's
been found floating in the sea? to help us better understand what might have happened? >> from the amount that we've seen so far, not enough. you would be looking for residue of explosives on bodies and debris. you're also looking for compression points and seeing how it was twisted off the aircraft. from what i'm seeing, compared to previous incidents where you get large pieces of the fuselage or the tail fin or galley carts, these are very small pieces. there's a lot more debris that needs to be recovered because, of course, we don't know how the plane went into the water. i would suggest that it went in
largely in tact but we don't know that yet because we don't have the data. >> how much confidence do you have in their ability to find out the truth? >> well, they approach it in a professional way. they have a team of experts helping them from the uk and france. the question of technical skill is not really up in the air. the question is the political will and the investigation is tied into their politics and if the investigation is leading in a direction that they find politically unpalatable or unacceptable, then there's going to be questions raised. it took them an awful long time to admit that there was a bomb coming out of sharm el-sheikh, the russian airliner. they never accepted be a issue with the co-pilot in 990 and the
investigation is intertwined with the politics. >> and the egyptians, i would assume, would get access to the cockpit voice recorder if it's recovered, they'd have the first chance to read through all of the data. is that right? >> well, probably, yes. but this seems to be a ball of confusion as to who is in charge. >> who's in charge? >> i don't know. >> it's an egyptian airliner. >> and egyptian territory that should be the egyptians. >> an egyptian air space, not necessarily territorial waters. it's in the mediterranean, in mediterranean waters. >> that's right. the egyptians have taken the point and not seeded the responsibility to anyone else. >> let richard quest weigh in on that sensitive subject. go ahead. >> yeah. whatever the air space or international waters, something known as the flight information
region, f.i.r., if a plane goes down somewhere, there's always somebody responsible for air navigation services and always somebody for leading off where the search and rescue is. for example, that is why australia has been lumbered with the 370 search, even though it's 2,000 miles off the western coast of australia because it's in australia's flight information region. here there is no doubt, as far as i can see, this is egypted investigation and that's why the french decided to confirm these acars, automatic satellite messages. this is the providence of the egyptians to make it and i was very surprised that the bea of france decided to break protocol in quite that way. >> all right, guys.
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lead vanished, both she and donald trump are unpopular with the voters. our sara murray is live. what is donald trump doing to improve his standing with voters and fellow republicans? >> reporter: well, wolf, donald trump has made a number of attempts to try to consolidate the base behind him. of course, we know last week he released a list of possible scotus picks and today met with senator bob corker, a leading republican in the senate and in his own right a bit of foreign policy and this comes as he appears to defy expectations and may be looking at a tighter general election race than we expected. ♪ >> reporter: skeptics predicted a donald trump ticket would mean a blowout victory for hillary clinton. >> now i'm going to start focusing on hillary. that's going to be so easy. >> reporter: but there's a race that is rapidly tightening. a "wall street journal"/nbc poll
puts clinton at 46 compared to trump's 43%. her lead down from just a month ago. a new poll also shows a dead heat, with trump at 46% support and clinton at 44%. as speculation whirls over who trump may choose for a vp, the billionaire businessman met privately with senator bob corker today who brushed aside questions about joining the ticket. >> i have no reason whatsoever to believe that i'm being considered for a position like that. you know, i'll say that until i'm blue in the face. again, this was a meeting between a few people who didn't know each other except over phone calls. >> reporter: trump's allies say corker could be an asset even if he doesn't make the short list. >> foreign policy, domestic issues that matter a great deal.
>> reporter: meanwhile, trump is still aiming to consolidate his conservative base. and he's turning to a potent issue, the second amendment to rally voters. >> i don't want to have guns in classrooms although in some cases, teachers should have guns in classrooms. >> reporter: he's delivering a model message, saying he doesn't want to see guns in classrooms. >> i'm not advocating guns in classrooms. >> reporter: and in the next breath saying that teachers should be able to be armed. >> trained teachers should be able to have guns in classrooms. >> reporter: all as clinton took trump to task. >> now, we know that gun lobby is powerful. it's the most powerful lobby in washington and we know that some candidates will say or do anything to keep them happy. unlike donald trump, lee not pander to the gun lobby and we will not be silenced and we will not be intimidated. >> reporter: and trump the
candidate mocks the concept of climate change on the trail. >> so obama is talking about all of this with the global warming. a lot of it is a hoax. >> reporter: but trump the businessman isn't so dubious. according to politico, trump's company applied for a permit to build coastal protection for a seaside golf support because of other effects of climate change. now, wolf, you saw senator corker dismissing the idea that he's in the running for vp and told reporters that this is more of a way for him to meet donald trump and have him get more comfortable with him. it's who does he feel comfortable with and who does he feel he has the experience with? if you start to see these guys popping up together more and more frequently on the campaign trail, that could be a better indication that trump may be nearing a pick. wolf? >> sara murray reporting, thank you. the new polls showing her tied with donald trump creating
fresh urgency for hillary clinton asking democrats to unite. sunlen serfaty is in california where the senator has a rally later tonight. are there any signs that he's ready to make peace with hillary or with the democratic establishment? >> reporter: well, not at all yet, wolf. it's very much the opposite. bernie sanders is out picking new fights with the democratic leadership and also suggesting that voters see hillary clinton as a lesser of two evils against donald trump. >> hillary rodham clinton! >> reporter: seeing her lead evaporating, tonight she's escalating her attacks on the presumptive gop nominee. >> trump economics will cause fewer jobs and he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. >> reporter: hillary clinton suggesting that trump is
refusing to release his tax returns because he's not as successful as he claims. >> i mean, ask yourself, how can anybody lose money running a casino? really? >> reporter: adding to the pile-on, bill clinton blasting trump's campaign slogan. >> make america great again is, hey, i'll make it the way it used to be. you'll be better off and if not you'll have somebody to look down on. it will not work. >> reporter: clinton is still facing headwinds for being unable to close out the democratic primary. a new nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows one in five sanders supporters would back trump instead of clinton and the poll also finds that 41% of sanders supporters view her negatively compared with 38% who see her positively. it's a potential warning sign for clinton as she tries to unify the democratic party
heading towards november. >> stop donald trump! >> reporter: all of this as bernie sanders is digging in more. and deepening his feud with the chair of the democratic national committee. >> if elected president, she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. >> reporter: endorsing the challenger to bdebbie wasserman schultz for her florida house seat. >> clearly i prefer her opponent as debbie wasserman schultz's. >> if we can win big here, we're going to have the momentum taking us into the democratic convention to win the nomination. >> reporter: that pledge becoming fodder for late-night laughs. >> senator sanders, i'm sorry, but the night is over. >> no! no, it's not over!
it's not over until i say it's over! >> oh, hello, bernie. i didn't see you sitting behind me, so far behind me you can never catch up. >> reporter: and the dnc announced an agreement today between the sanders and clinton campaign that would give sanders supporters one-third of the seats on the platform committee certainly seen an inclusive move and getting him considerably more influence over the readying of a platform. >> sunlen serfaty in california, thank you. coming up, u.s. troops fought in fallujah. now, a new offensive has begun to try to dive isis out of the city. what role will american troops play. and cnn joins a top u.s. military commander on a secret trip into syria where u.s. troops are training rebels for a military offensive against isis.
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kabul. when the strike was carried out over the weekend, the taliban targeted u.s. personnel, continued to pose a threat to u.s. personnel but this is the first time that the pentagon is saying that this strike took place in a part of pakistan that the u.s. has never struck before much further south from the tribal areas where the strikes have been carried out. >> and i take it the pakistani government is not happy that they violated the air space to go in there with these drones. it was a decision that the president of the united states personally made to authorize this kill? >> absolutely. what is also different about it, it's the cia that keir rees these out in pakistan. this strike was carried out by
the u.s. military. now, in fallujah, there's a battle right now that the iraqi military is trying to get rid of isis there, take over. here's the question, what is the u.s. military role in this offensive? >> i'm told by u.s. officials that the role is purely in the air. you've had a number of strikes, in fact, 21 strikes over the last six days by fighter jets and drones against isis targets there but i have asked if any of the u.s. military advisers, of which there are hundreds now, supporting these forces and advising these forces as they go in. they say no they are not. this is shia militias involved and you know the tension that that causes. >> i think there are nearly 5,000 u.s. troops in iraq overall including the advisers. jim sciutto, thank you very much. coming up, a television
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isis is claiming responsibility for devastating bombings killing dozens of people in the heartland of the syrian regime, that comes as u.s. special operations forces are on the ground trying to urgently put together coalition groups to take over raqqah. barbara starr went inside syria with the central in command. barbara joins us from jordan.
barbara, this is exclusive television reporting you had. tell us what you saw. >> reporter: we are here in ayman, jordan after leaving syria. general joe votel wanted to see this particular front line here in syria for himself. these are the first images ever shown publicly from a u.s. special operations training camp in northern syria. cnn was the only television network here with general joseph votel on his secret trip there to meet kurdish and arab commanders fighting isis, just as isis launched attacks against strongholds. >> my purpose is to meet with syrian democratic leadership in multiple locations. >> reporter: it comes as the u.s. tries for a second time to stand up a fighting force. the first attempt crumbled with
just a handful of rebels who stayed in the fight. now a dangerous trip, votel felt he had to make. >> i have responsibility for the mission, i have responsibility for the people that we put here, so it is imperative for me to come and see what they're dealing with, to share the risks that they are absorbing on a day-to-day basis. >> reporter: from here and other secret nearby locations, the u.s. military is racing time to train enough local syrian forces so they can push south toward raqqah, isis' delayerclared cap. we have been asked not to reveals on details how we got here, but he considers this part of the war top priority. he is here to meet with the u.s. military advisers that are helping some of the local troops
that you see work to defeat isis. this spokesman is critical. he says his group urgently needs ammunition and weapons beyond what the u.s. delivered. the u.s. is working to possibly provide more. >> translator: we have been given a limited number of old rifles. >> reporter: due to security concerns, we are not allowed to show details of the base, our cameras are restricted. security is so high here the u.s. advisers want their faces shielded, but they do want to talk about the training. you're a military adviser here. what do you do here? >> we are here training the syrian democratic forces, when i say training, generally that's consisting of basic level weapons training, shooting ak-47s and shooting charger
machine guns. >> female fighters train alongside the men, even as lookouts patrol surrounding fields and stand watch getting ready for what their future holds. and that future may still be sometime off. votel is pragmatic about all of this, warning it is going to take a long time for this new army, if you will, in northern syria to really take hold to be able to push isis back out of key areas. it is a young, inexperienced force that u.s. special operations is trying to work with. wolf? >> how extraordinary that the head of the central command risks a trip inside syria? >> reporter: well, i'll tell you during the years of, of course, the major conflict in afghanistan and iraq, we saw top officials, top four star
generals travel the battlefield because they have generally a big commitment, they won't send troops if they're not willing to go themselves, so they do make that effort, but in recent years, especially since the war on isis began, we haven't seen this kind of thing, wolf. >> certainly. we will check back tomorrow. donald trump pulls neck and neck with hillary clinton in two national polls. could clinton be facing a tougher race than expected? an urgent search in the mediterranean for the black boxes from egyptair flight 804. new questions about whether the airliner was brought down by terrorism or some technical problem. could thousands of other similar planes be at risk? real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue.
happening now. trump surges. we are digging deeper into new polls that shows the all but certain republican nominee is in a dead heat with hillary clinton. tonight the democratic for an update is hitting back harder than ever. throwing the election? new evidence that bernie sanders is hurting clinton's campaign. will his supporters stay home in fall or vote for trump? racing to find the black boxes from egyptair flight 804. desperate for clues why the jet vanished over the mediterranean. getting new information about the plane's final moments. terrorists killed. the united states confirms they took out the taliban leader because of imminent threat to u.s. forces. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."
tonight, donald trump appears to be more competitive than ever with hillary clinton, based on polls that show him in a dead heat with the democratic for an update. just released numbers thrive on weakness for trump, voters say they're uncomfortable with lack of experience and government or in the military. and a while ago, the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee said trump is finessing global policy views. republican bob corker met with donald trump today, he insists he is not angling to be trump's running mate. tonight, egypt says the plane was spotted on radar for one minute, one minute before it crashed, but there was no communication with the jet. the safety of thousands of other airbus a-320s is in question with no clear evidence with
flight 804 went down. i will ask the top democratic on the house intelligence committee what he's learning, congressman adam schiff is standing by, along with our correspondents and analysts covering all of the news that's breaking now. up first, let's go to cnn national correspondent jason carroll in new york covering the trump campaign. jason, what's the latest? >> reporter: well, wolf, as you know trump said many times in the past he doesn't put much stock in terms of polls, but he is paying close attention to new polls which show him that he has closed the gap between himself and hillary clinton, but having said that, wolf, the two candidates just as unpopular as ever. tonight donald trump and hillary clinton are deadlocked in a pair of new national polls. clinton leads trump 46% to 43% in a new nbc news "the wall street journal" poll, while trump runs ahead of clinton, 46% to 44% in the latest abc news "the washington post" survey,
and 11 point swing in trump's favor since march. for both polls, the difference is within the margin of error. today trump is focusing on outreach within the republican party, meeting with senate foreign relations committee chairman bob corker. >> we talked bigger picture really relative to foreign policy, domestic issues. how the campaign will unfold. it was more of we had never talked other than on the phone, more of a get to know each other kind of meeting. >> reporter: corker dismissed questions of whether trump might consider the tennessee republican as a potential running mate. >> i have no reason whatsoever to believe that i am being considered for a position like that. i'll say that until i'm blue in the face. >> reporter: as the race between trump and clinton tightens, the attacks between the two are intensifying. clinton is calling out trump for
favoring guns in schools. >> parents, teachers, schools should have the right to keep guns out of classrooms. just like donald trump does at many of his hotels, by the way. >> reporter: trump pushing back tweeting crooked hillary says i want guns brought into the school classroom. wrong. but when pressed on the issue during an interview, he contradicted himself. >> i don't want to have guns in classrooms, but in some cases teachers should have guns in classes, teachers, things going on in the schools are unbelievable. >> reporter: it is not the only issue where trump is seemingly at odds with his own statements. >> how many people here believe in global warming? do you believe in global warming? >> reporter: despite referring to climate change as bs and a hoax, politico purports his company trump international golf links is applying for a permit to build a sea wall to protect a golf course he owns in ireland
citing global warming and its effects for erosion there. back to the polls, it shows trump has gotten members of the gop to rally behind him and shows clinton still has a lot of work to do to get bernie sanders supporters to rally behind her. wolf? >> jason carroll in new york, thank you. tonight hillary clinton is ratcheting up her two front battle against donald trump and relentless primary challenger bernie sanders. she's vowing to unite her divided party against the presumptive nominee republican nominee. let's go to senior washington krontd jeff zeleny joining us from southern california now, where sanders is campaigning. clinton is headed there tonight to raise more money. new polls show how it could be hurting her chances in the fall. what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf, that's true among independents. they have not warmed to hillary clinton. olive branches are plentiful
from across the party, including the democratic national committee that says sanders can select one-third of the seats on the platform committee. it is all an effort to help him go quietly. but don't expect that any time soon. he is fighting hard for the two week push to the california primary. hillary clinton is still trying to shake bernie sanders. >> we are coming to the end of the democratic primaries. >> reporter: when the primaries do end, the bigger question is whether his supporters will come aboard. at a speech in detroit today, clinton extending her hand, stopping just short of thanking sanders for shaping the race. >> i applaud senator sanders and his supporters for challenging us and we are going to unify the democratic party and stop donald trump! >> reporter: but speaking to union workers, clinton making clear she's pivoted to trump. >> the only standing between donald trump and the oval office
is all of us. >> reporter: and sanders is focused on trump, too, campaigning today in california. >> the democrats want to be certain as we must be that donald trump never becomes president, our campaign is the strongest campaign. >> reporter: a string of new polls show a tight clinton, trump race fuels sanders' argument that he is the stronger general election candidate. >> every poll that i have seen in the last couple months, including the poll just yesterday, have us way, way ahead. >> reporter: the democratic race mathematically speaking seems over, with clinton holding an insurmountable lead in pledge and superdelegates. >> we are going to win in november! >> reporter: but she's underwater with sanders supporters. 41% view her in a negative light, while only 38% view her positively according to "the wall street journal" nbc poll.
only two-thirds of sanders supporters say they would vote for her against trump compared to 88 of clinton supporters that say they would back sanders. the odd couple relationship a punch line on "saturday night live." >> do you mind if i have one drink with my old, very dangerously old friend bernie? >> i'll have a beer, a new brand that people are flocking to. >> i'll have whatever beer no one likes but gets the job done. >> reporter: on the campaign trail trail, clinton was focused on trump. >> he will bankrupt america like he bankrupted his companies. how can anybody lose money running a casino, really. >> reporter: bill clinton is taking aim at trump's signature slogan. >> what make america great means, i'll make it the way it used to be, you'll be better off, if not you'll have somebody else to look down on. >> reporter: bill clinton is a key player in all this, trying
to block and tackle particularly on trump as the rest of the clinton campaign focuses on bernie sanders for the next two weeks. wolf, the california primary contest with 475 delegates at stake, so important. bernie sanders believes he can win, gives him juice going into the convention, but the math is still on clinton's side. >> two weeks from tomorrow, june 7th. we will be watching closely. joining me, congressman adam schiff from california. a hillary clinton supporter. thanks for joining us. is the drawn out primary battle between bernie sanders and hillary clinton hurting the democrats' chances in november? >> i don't think so, and i think the party will come together quickly after the primary season is over. the same questions were raised during the primary campaign between secretary clinton and president obama back eight years ago, but i am confident we will overcome these differences. look, i feel strongly that the gop nomination of donald trump to be the leader of the free
world is the single most irresponsible act of that party in modern history. staggering to contemplate. i think democrats as well as independents and a few republicans will unite around that concern for november. so i feel confident. >> but not one but two national polls have come out showing it is virtually tied nationally between hillary clinton and donald trump. you must be shocked by that. >> i'm not shocked of it. this snapshot where things are now is taken at a time when the republican party has more or less unified around trump and we still have a democratic primary continuing, so you would expect the support to consolidate after our nomination contest is over. that hasn't happened yet. i think when that does happen, when the last primaries take place, then i think you'll see secretary clinton moving well ahead of donald trump. >> have the democrats
underestimated donald trump? >> i think the republicans certainly underestimated him, no one thought he would emerge from the republican primary. democrats are not underestimating him, he is a human wrecking ball and there's no telling which way that ball swings, what damage he might do or the unpredictable character of this election. it definitely scrambles things. but at the same time, we have underlying confidence in the marriage of secretary clinton, probably the best qualified person running for president in a generation, but also we have great confidence the american people will see it would be reckless and dangerous for this country to entrust its leadership to someone that not only has ideas in terms of national security, deeply at odds with our own interests, but brags about the fact that these views are so malleable. it is a sense of pride for him, it is extraordinary. the comments about having no regrets about saying john mccain
isn't a hero because it drove his poll numbers up. who can respect that. i think the more americans come to see that in donald trump, the fewer that will ultimately support him. >> congressman, how important is it for hillary clinton to win over the bernie sanders supporters in a general election? i ask the question because in exit polls we discovered there's a significant number of people that voted for bernie sanders in the democratic primaries who say they're going to vote for donald trump in the general election. >> you know, i think they were similarly significant number of people after the clinton, obama primary that said the same thing, but ultimately they did come around and support the democratic nominee. i think that's what we will see here, both again because in the general election campaign when secretary clinton goes against donald trump in my view, you're going to see her strengths as a candidate. you're going to see his weaknesses. you'll see the danger of the idea of him in the white house, and that i think will propel unity among democrats and result in crossover support for
secretary clinton. >> you're from california. how will bernie sanders do in the california democratic primary two weeks from tomorrow, june 7th. 475 delegates are at stake. >> i think secretary clinton has the advantage in california but it could be very competitive and it is nothing that anyone should take for granted. i think both campaigns are going to be working very hard and california has a reputation for being somewhat unpredictable state, but a lot of inherent characteristics benefit secretary clinton with its diverse population, with very strong history with the clintons, so i think she comes in with strong advantages, but nothing to be taken for granted. >> congressman, i want you to stand by. you're the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, i want to get your assessment of what happened in the egyptair aircraft, why it went down over the mediterranean. new information coming into "the situation room." we'll be right back.
tonight we are following the urgent search for more wreckage from egyptair flight 804. we are back with congressman adam schiff, top democrat of the house intelligence committee. the search continues for the black boxes from flight 804. early hours of thursday morning. is the leading theory that what brought down the plane, is the
leading theory still an act of terror? >> you know, i'm not sure there is a leading theory. that was everyone's initial suspicion and it is still very possible that it was. here we are four to five days after the crash. there's still no claim of responsibility by isil, which could mean that isil headquarters was not in demand and control of the operation, you could have had people sympathetic to isil carry out the bombing, if it was a bombing. you would think though even if it were people not acting under the control of isis central, they would have left behind some message because they would want credit to be conferred to isil. so you would think if aqap trained people to get nonmetallic explosives on board, they would have taken credit by now. we've had more days to go through the passenger manifest to look for any overhead images, to look at airport and airplane
employees that had access to the plane, and there's no hard evidence yet that this is terrorism. at this point it is equally plausible it was terrorism or mechanical failure, fire or some other cause brought down that airplane. >> you saw the report over the weekend in "the new york times" that this specific aircraft, the plane that went down over the mediterranean, showing pictures of it, was actually vandalized a couple years ago in egypt, a message written, graffiti message in arabic which said we will bring this plane down. what can you tell us about that "the new york times" report? >> as far as i can tell, that's a very credible report, that did happen some years ago, and i'm not sure it was necessarily an indication that there was a plot afoot vis-a-vis that aircraft. you could probably find a lot of that graffiti, anti-al see see, graffiti written in a lot of
places in egypt given the strong crackdown they made against not only isis but secular opposition in egypt, so i'm not sure the graffiti is really connected with the crash of the plane, but it is part of the reason why things like that, the background of this crash, the fact that you have a russian aircraft blown up that left from sharm el sheikh. that background is more why the initial suspicions are terrorism than any corroborating evidence we have been able to find. >> that plane's registration number which was written on the plane was sugcc. the last two letters, cc. president elsie see was unpopular. president more see was removed, and they also read we will bring this plane down. also according to "the new york times" wrote the words traitor and murderer.
is it coincidence this plane was brought down or based on words written a couple of years ago? >> it could be just a coincidence that it was this plane. this is what's so nerve wracking about trying to figure this out. you remember that russian aircraft that left from sharm el sheikh had structural issues, that hard landing that may have damaged the plane and caused many people to speculate it was a structural problem with the plane that brought it down. that was a prominent theory until we found that in fact it was isis affiliate in the sinai that brought down with a soda can sized explosive, so you have these coincidences that you agonize, is it really a coincidence, but at this point i don't think we have any clear direction as to what brought that plane down. we know a lot about last moments now, but may not be until we get the black boxes, if we are lucky enough to find them, that we get real answers, particularly if
there's no claim of responsibility. >> that's mysterious why there's no claim of responsibility five days into this. on another issue, jim sciutto is reporting that the taliban under leadership of mansour was killed in pakistan, that he was planning new attacks against u.s. targets in kabul and afghanistan. what can you tell us? >> they have been planning attacks from top of the leadership of the taliban, people like mull a monday sewer, and hakani, one of the cheap deputies has been one of the most lethal that has planned against targets in western afghanistan. this i hope will be disrupted, although i don't think anyone expects it will put on indefinitely any plots that may be moving toward fruition. we and the rest of coalition
forces and afghan partners have to maintain a high sense of alert, but i think this could be very disruptive to the taliban. won't stop plots from maturinma but fights for succession, we don't know who will emerge. several candidates are moving forward, but i wouldn't be surprised if there's a protected period of infighting as we saw when it was acknowledged moolah mow march had died. >> we know that president obama personally authorized the mosul strike that killed this new taliban leader. congressman, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. more on that razor close matchup between hillary clinton and donald trump. how will bernie sanders impact their battle going forward. plus, our aviation experts analyze the newest information
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clint clinton. dana bash and mark preston join me. statistical dead heat between trump and clinton. is she in trouble? >> i think they're both in trouble. look, this is stating the blatantly obvious, call me captain obvious, each has a fifth ee fif 50/50 chance of being the president. that's a fact of the matter right now. it is a very split nation. and these two candidates and polls that we see, which is a snapshot in time right now reflect that big time. particularly the fact that they're both so disliked,
equally so, by so many people in this country is even more alarming. >> a lot of people are surprised it is at tight as it is now, a lot of people thought it would tighten closer to the election. she was ahead a month ago, two months ago. >> sure, but we will see it a lot of times. a number of voters say they're voting against someone rather than voting for someone. these people are both not well liked, they're polarizing political figures, lots of republicans that don't like donald trump, they're going to vote for him because they like hillary clinton even less and vice versa. >> she needs to bring the bernie sanders supporters, assuming she gets the nomination, to bring them on board. >> certainly does. there's a lot of talk that in fact they're not going to go to hillary clinton, that they're going to sit out the election or go to donald trump. i think that's a fictitious line of thought. it is a fairy tale. cnn did a poll, came out about two weeks ago that showed that
86% of bernie sanders voters, given opportunity to vote for hillary clinton or donald trump, they voted for hillary clinton. these are liberals. hillary clinton is more liberal than donald trump will ever be. >> when bernie sanders says picking between bernie sanders and hillary clinton are picking the lesser of two evils. >> that's how he says the people feel. >> yes, the lesser of two evils. that doesn't necessarily inspire confidence he will go out and work effectively, assuming he doesn't get the nomination. >> he's already talked about donald trump and he's already said he wants to see donald trump defeated. but he hasn't given up. bernie sanders is going all the way, as hillary clinton said in her interview with chris cuomo, she went all the way to california. she expects bernie sanders to do that. just got five seats today on the platform committee. he is going to have a lot of
influence on the platform committee, influence at the convention. i assume in fliens on issues that hillary clinton runs on. but the fact that he is running so hard, so late when statistically, mathematically i should say it is going to be hard for him to be the nominee, it is and should be quite alarming to hillary clinton and her campaign, specifically, wolf, because of what she told cnn last week, that not only it is done, but more importantly she worked pretty hard after it was said and done to get her supporters behind barack obama back in 2008 when she lost. and she's clearly worried that bernie sanders is not going to do the same, and that could be a very big problem. >> on the republican side, donald trump seems to be bringing a lot of republicans on
board. lindsey graham told some supporters out there, go ahead, support donald trump, this after during the campaign. i want to play a clip. this is what lindsey graham used to say about donald trump. >> if donald trump was sitting here instead of me, what would you tell him. >> just shut the hell up, he is shallow, ill prepared to be commander in chief. he thits putin is a good guy. says the worst things about immigrants and women and is a complete idiot. you know how you make america great again, tell donald trump to go to hell. >> had a phone conversation, apparently went well, now he is saying to supporters, you better go ahead and support him, apparently. >> right. i just got off the phone with him, i knew you were going to be asking about this. what he just told me was that he absolutely did not and has not encouraged donors to go give money to donald trump. what he said, he said in a private fundraiser a couple of
days was, and these are people that gathered to help him retire his own debt from his own presidential run, was that he is not going to publicly trash him like he did in those clips and many others that we can play. he is not going to do that any more. he is going to stay back, stay out of the fray. but he's standing by what he told us when he made his decision after donald trump became the effective nominee, which is he is not going to vote for donald trump, he is not going to vote for hillary clinton. he stands by that and insists he never encouraged donors -- >> you know, i think lindsey graham and other republicans are doing, trying to give senate candidates some running room here because they have to run their own race and decide whether they're for donald trump, going to appear with donald trump, whether they're going to back away from donald trump, and i think there has to be some sense of let the people
make their own decisions. lindsey graham is saying i am not going to vote for him but i am not going to go after others who do. >> he is not shy, he is trying to step back big time. this is the reason for it. >> we invite him all the time to come on the show. welcome him back any time. guys, thanks very much. just ahead, the latest on the search for the egyptair jet that plunged into the mediterranean. search crews are racing against time to find those black boxes. a taliban leader killed in an air strike. while president obama calls it a milestone. the big hilton
we're following the search for egyptair flight 804 in the mediterranean and the growing mystery surrounding the crash that killed 66 people. investigators don't know what caused that plane to plunge into the sea, and the latest clues raise more questions. our aviation correspondent rene marsh joins us. the search is increasing every day. >> reporter: the black box could
hold a wealth of information, it captures everything from pilot conversations and stats from the cockpit to how the plane systems were working. tonight it is a race against time to find them before the batteries expire. tonight a frantic search for clues or hard evidence that could reveal why one of the world's most advanced passenger jets seemingly fell out of the sky, as surveillance planes scour the ocean surface, egyptian and french submarines are searching the floor 200 miles off the coast of alexandria, egypt. nearly 10,000 feet deep, it is a complex operation. search crew found life vests, personal belongings and human remains but have not located the fuselage, the main body of the aircraft or the critical black boxes located in the tail. >> the investigators are up against the clock. if they don't find the black boxes within the next 30 days,
the job of finding them will be much harder because the black boxes may no longer send out a sonar ping which would help them identify it. >> reporter: meantime, on land investigators are pouring over data and recordings from the plane in minutes and hours before it disappeared. egyptian radar spotted the plane for one minute before it crashed after it entered egyptian air space, according to egypt's air navigation services. cnn obtained this recording of egyptair 804's pilot speaking with air traffic control about two and a half hours before all contact was lost. the recording suggests calm in the cockpit and a normal start to the flight. >> good night. >> reporter: there's no clear theory of what brought down the plane and its 66 people on board. "the new york times" reports political vandals scribbled the words we will bring this plane down in arabic on the fuselage
two years ago. >> the airplane is secured as per security procedures of airports, whether people write anything on it, and i am not aware of that, by the way. >> reporter: while the egyptian authorities say they believe terrorists may be to blame, no group claimed responsibilities. investigators are considering mechanical problems as a cause, after discovering the plane sent out maintenance alerts, indicating smoke near the cockpit minutes before the crash. experts say that could mean a fire, but it could also mean the plane systems were failing. there are more than 6700 of this type of aircraft flying worldwide. if there is a mechanical problem, that's a major concern. airbus 320 had electrical problems with window heaters in the past. in 2003, the faa required a fix, but egyptair could not say whether those fixes were made to this particular plane. >> thanks very much.
rene marsh reporting. let's get more, joining us, cnn aviation analyst peter goelz, tom fuentes, saved analyst david soucie with us as well. david, that acar data alert system shows that there was smoke in the front of the egyptair a 320 shortly before it went down. is it concerning that there are thousands of these in the sky right now? >> well, it certainly does, wolf, and before the smoke came through the acar system, it said that the window had failed, too, the heat, the anti-ice on the window, which as rene mentioned, they had problems with that as well before. that aviation bulletin didn't fix that problem and it still exists, then we have a substantial issue to be dealt with right now.
>> shouldn't take long to figure out whether or not they took care of that problem. peter, if there was some mechanical fire on board, why wasn't there a may day call from the cockpit to ground control. >> that's part of the mystery, wolf, because they had at least three or four minutes where they could have sent a message, once the acar system started transmitting. they also missed the discussion with the air traffic control, and that could have been simply an oversight or the event could have been started, so that really is mysterious. >> what's your analysis. you're a former fbi official, that there's no claim from any terror group five days into this. >> i am surprised if it was a terrorist act if it was. these groups want to take credit for the biggest, worst attacks they can pull off. if isis was able to pull something like this off, they would want to claim credit for it. if al qaeda in the arabian
peninsula and yemen whose goal has been to bring down planes, the underwear bomber equipped by them, they would want to show they're competitive with isis in terms of carrying out a major terror attack. i am surprised, if it turns out to be terrorism, i would be very surprised they waited. >> the sonar pinger that goes off on the black boxes that are orange like this one, if it only has 25 more days to go, they have to hear that. they need the pinger locaters right now. do they have that in the region, egyptian submarines, french submarines that are there? >> they have listening devices and rescue vessels are probably on station or almost on station, but the clock is ticking. 25 days, it is an outrage that black boxes have not been retrofitted with batteries that extend beyond 30 days. that's not a weight issue or technical issue, it ought to be
ordered by the aviation authorities as an emergency fix. >> david, what can we learn from debris found floating on the mediterranean? >> what i've seen on the debris, wolf, from these pictures is that there are pieces torn, it is clear that the aircraft came apart, whether it came apart in the air or on the ground, too early to tell, but it's proof positive that the aircraft is broken into pieces and under the ocean. >> in an investigation like this, does the fbi have a role, tom? >> probably not. probably not in this case. >> why? >> it is not an american aircraft, don't have american victims. >> the engines are u.s. made. >> yeah, but if americans get involved in this, it will be ntsb and people from the engine manufacturer, and the egyptians already had a point of contention with the fbi and ntsb over the crash where the pilot committed suicide and killed everybody on the plane off the
coast of new york. they're not going to be involved. >> the mystery continues. thanks very much. another story, the death of the leader mansour killed in a drone strike in pakistan. senior u.s. military official tells cnn the taliban were actively planning new attacks against u.s. forces at the time of mansour's death, which president obama calls a milestone. listen. >> it has been confirmed that he is dead. and he is an individual who as head of the taliban was specifically targeting u.s. personnel and troops inside of afghanistan as part of the mission i set to be able to maintain a counterterrorism platform and provide our global affairs,
correspondent elise labott. now we know why the president personally authorized the drone strike to kill that taliban later. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. and jim sciutto just reporting from his military sources the taliban, led by mansour, was actively planning targets against -- attacks against u.s. targets in kabul. and this shows why the u.s. was willing to make such a bold move in striking in this tribal area of pakistan. this is not a covert cia strike. the u.s. won't talk about, wolf. this is a u.s. military by passing the pakistani government, and striking in a very sensitive area. under mansour's leadership, we have seen a dramatic increase in violence against the u.s. troops. he was resisting efforts to bring the taliban to peace talks. so the u.s. had a good intelligence, took the target of opportunity. but wolf, i think it's too early to know what the u.s. actually achieved by taking out the leadership. the -- you heard from the president, and he hopes this
will bring the taliban to the table. but it could have the opposite effect. we're months from a succession of mansour's replacement, some of the names being heard could be even more deadly, and this could lead to a splinter of the taliban. and this also may further antagonize pakistan, who by all accounts hasn't done enough to crack down on the taliban but was trying to pressure the taliban and mansour in particular to come to the table. so a lot of open questions about what this means for the next president about the plan withdrawal of u.s. troops from afghanistan, those peace talks and the important relationship with pakistan, wolf. >> >> the government of pakistan condemned this strike, killing mansour. >> reporter: they say what they always say, this was a violation of their sovereignty, they're against the attacks, but kind of a muted response. and that does reflect they were also very frustrated by the taliban's reluctance to come to the table.
so they may try to be, you know, nodding in the u.s. direction, but certainly never come out and say they approved of the attack, that they knew about it beforehand. their official line is they didn't know anything, and this is a violation of their sovereignty. >> elise, thanks very much. elise labott reporting. just ahead, more on the search for egyptair flight 804. can searchers locate those two black boxes before they go silent? ♪
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question. why do islamic terrorists hate america, france, finland. fareed zakaria investigates tonight at 9:00 p.m. it's called "why they hate us." fareed zakaria went straight to the source for answers. a man awaiting trial on charges of supporting isis. he and fareed had a heated exchange over what he hates about us. watch this excerpt from the documentary. >> we call upon muslims around the world to ban the constitution, to ban the american flag. >> reporter: he comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. clou he has been charged with supporting isis. >> you're hypocrites. you don't have principles. >> reporter: he's awaiting trial in london. >> i personally hate the american regime. >> reporter: he faces prison for his support of isis, but he is
unrelenting in that support. never mind the kidnappings, the beheadings, the sex slaves to child rape. the islamic state is paradise. >> there is peace, there is no corruption, there is no bribery, there is no usury, alcohol, gambling. all of the vices you're used to in america, don't exist over there. this idea they're raping people. why don't you listen to what the muslims are saying? they will deny these things. >> because, they kill journalists. that's why. >> and they're raping people in islamic. >> they kill journalists. >> joining us now is fareed, "gps." tell us more about this documentary, why they hate us, fareed. >> what i tried to do, if you remember, wolf, at one point, donald trump said we better -- we've got to ban all muslims from coming in, because islam hates america. and anderson asked him in an interview, anderson cooper, is it all of islam or is it some?
and he said, well, that's what you've got to figure out. what we tried to do is, we've tried to figure that out. we tried to and and answer that question. how do you describe the kind of radical hatred that you see of the west of america. where does it come from? we went back into the roots and history, looked at saudi arabia, we looked at what clerics are saying. we also looked at communities in america. muslim communities, and how they are integrating and what their challenges are. so we really tried to look at the history, the past, but also look at the present. >> fareed, thanks very much. and to our viewers, you can watch fareed's really important documentary, "why they hate us," later tonight. 9:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. and tomorrow here in "the situation room," part two, barbara starr's reporting, central commander, syria, in iraq. that report coming up tomorrow
in the "the situation room." that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. don't forget to tweet me at wolf blitzer, at cnn sit room. see you in the situation room tomorrow. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next. hillary clinton's new attack. the target, donald trump's wealth. is he not as rich as he claims and why does this issue hit such a nerve. and donald trump surging past hillary clinton in a new poll. now the slim lead in a general election match-up. can he win it all. and new details on egyptair flight 804 and the chilling final goodbye from the cockpit tonight. let's go "outfront." and good evening to all. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, clinton on the attack. hillary clinton's harshest words yet against donald trump, going after words of what matters most to him. his business re