tv CNN Tonight With Don Lemon CNN May 23, 2016 8:00pm-9:01pm PDT
you heard what donald trump says about muslims but wait till you hear why some support him. this is cnn tonight i'm don lemon. the conventional wisdom that trump and muslims could never agree on a ban of muslims coming into the u.s. this time the conventionem wisdom, say it with me, is wrong. the campaign is reportedly reaching out to muslim voters and in just a moment you are going to meet the man behind the group muslims for trump. the search intensifies for the
black boxes of egyptair flight 804, was it terrorism, or a tragic accident? >> let's get to the man behind the muslims for trump. i have had you on a number of times for vice on hbo, good to have you both on. >> why do you support donald trump? >> first of all, let me say thank you for having me on your show. there are several reasons first of all that radical islam i believe is not only -- it's a the first time the first candidate who has brought it on the table looked it eye to eye and said i'm america first. safety of first. we are american muslims and it is very important for us as well
and -- >> how are your muslim friends reacting to this? >> in the beginning it was hard but now frankly speaking they are joining, coming listening to his message and to think he is the only one who can save america in the future, but not only this several times he has said that i wanted to understand why the muslims here -- what are the grassroots situation, and like i told you education, opportunity and a lot of other things, right now we currently don't have any foreign policy, he's looking forward to change, bring change for different angles on foreign policy and islam. >> i was going to say because he's so experienced when it comes to foreign policy with all the years he spent in political office. you talk about donald trump saving america and my question is saving america from what? muslims, that trump is going to save america from muslims?
the message is so problem attat. i'm quite surprised to see not in terms of supporting trump, but trump is a man of many kind of persuasions, me in many ways is a race -- bigot, a pro vocate provocate provocateur. >> that's not what matters, not whether he implements this crazy policy, what matters is that he's been able to surprise people in a lot of media circles and clinched the nomination and he's done it by being an anti-en muslim fascist, by suggesting that all muslims should aware i.d. cards, if you look at this in historical context i don't
know what to do but laugh, he reminds you of another man that had another very weird cut on his face. >> hitler. >> hitler. >> look at this called "why they hate us." she said this about islamist attacks. listen. >> next time a bombing or beheading occurs and god knows it will, the first thing you will hear from the mouth of a so-called moderate muslim is no, no, no please don't misunderstand, islam has nothing to do with this, but they do because they actually site versus from the quran. >> do they acknowledge the connection? >> yeah, modern muslims are ak
knowledging the connection, but i think the problem is far beyond donald trump. he -- this is all preceded donald trump. people are surprised that he's managed to win by breaking all the rules and being a bigot and saying things that are not only politically correct and the reason he's been able to do this is there's been all this time with fear mongering. it's news and political circles, it's not surprising that his message is sadly resonating with americans, i'm just surprised that ilts resonating with american muslimmuslims. >> i'm surprised by the media the way they have been twisting and i have seen the war against donald trump from different
angles. when he meant the banning of muslims, there was an issue of immigration going on. there were people coming from syria and instead of staying there and fighting for their fights, they wanted to come here and we don't have any system to vet them, people are coming on the -- >> that's just not a true -- there's a very, very laborious system that requires multiple systems in the government to have refugees file asylum. >> why the muslims want to come here, why don't they go to other countries to practice their religion, that's a question and then another thing is this right now we have a program from the europe coming here and we cannot control them, plus, this is written on the wall that radical islam is a threat, most of the
countries look at them, we don't want to see this country, the middle east or france or belgium, we have to take precaution and the person who has brought it on the table, we are calling him bigot, i think we need to appreciate his looking -- he has brought that suggest on the table and take precautions. that's america first. >> aren't you a muslim immigrant to this country? how can you say that you can come in and no one else can? >> no, i came here legally. >> he's talking about legal -- >> i have to interject. he's talking about muslim immigrants who could come here legally and he wants a ban on all muslims. >> until we find out why they're coming here, this is a temporary situation. >> my question is what if there had been a ban on you you may not have been able to come to this country, take advantage of the american educational system
or american way of life, what if there had been a ban when you tried to come to the country. >> i came here legally and going through the screening and crediting system that can make a satisfaction i don't have any problem with it. and why they want to use other channels, we don't want to see this country going on with chaos like belgium and -- they hardly use the name radicalism, it's an on goigoing issue. >> hang on, listen. it's not just donald trump because you're saying that it's donald trump. 43% are for it. 45% oppose the ban, he's not alone about the ban on the muslims in the country. >> and trump's success really
reveals to all muslims, particularly young muslims who were born here, raised here, very disturbing truth that millions of other americans actually agree with him. he's just managed to tap into this yup, this racism and this fear and the suspicion of all things that are muslim which is been perpetuated for decades. what's really troubling, it's not just the question of the ban, he said to anderson cooper on this very network. let me get it verbatim for you because i wrote it down. we were all focussed he said i think islam hates us. we have a presidential candidate who is actually now the republican nominee for all intensetive purposes, he is saying i think islam hates us to anderson cooper, that's not only equating 1.6 billion people that's incompatible with the
west i would ask your guest and you are free to question whoever you want, at what class maybe you like him because of his economic policies, immigration or he wants to lower taxes for private business owner, but at what cost, not just the human cost, but at the cost of america which has afforded you the right you have. >> my answer to that -- i'm an american, i have kids americans, and the safety of america is my number one issue at the time. every muslim is not terrorist, but ever terrorist is muslim. >> why do you think islam hates us as your candidate clacims? >> most of the countries ruled by the king, they have no opportunities, educational
system, they have a huge unemployed population, the youth is desperate, they are mislead by the imams. >> let me ask you this question, do you think islam hates america? >> how it is possible in the name of religion islam and peace -- >> but that's what the candidate said on cnn to anderson cooper and he said it in many other -- an it is irresponsible. >> let him go ahead. >> okay. >> he has said several times he has muslim friends an he is willing to understand -- >> i have american friends and japanese friends but i would never suggest that any of those people should not be allowed into this country especially when he doesn't done anything
the implement this policy. i think it is irreparable because we have now a conversation about whether or not we should ban all muslims as if that would even be a constructive policy system. you have had homelands security leaders all sorts of foreign policy leaders, they think it is ludicrous. >> i have to wrap it up. i'll give you the last word. >> we were just talking about the political correctness, that people don't like it, the leaders don't like it but the thing is we have to take the steps for the safety of america and you know we have to -- and that's the beauty of donald trump, he's not just for the political correctness. he wants to resolve the issues, most of the things he brought up during the debates. >> thank you. interesting conversation. to be continued. i really appreciate both of youf coming on. hillary clinton says donald trump is afraid to release his
but what if he's not as rich as he says. >> thanks to my guests for coming. we have the cochair of donald trump's new york campaign. donald trump is tweeting tonight about veterans and money raised at an event in iowa when he didn't attend a fox news debate. he says he raised $5 million, that corey lewandowski, that left him $6 million that was raised here. >> he raised whether it be four or three or even 2 million it doesn't matter. the focus should be on -- look, again -- >> of course it matters -- >> whether he raised $5 million
or $6 million if he's supporting veterans. >> no one is saying he isn't supporting veterans what i'm saying is what is the truth. is it 6 million or we just want to truth. >> i'll go with what was just pointed out. >> then you should never say the truth doesn't matter. >> someone with his own wallet has put up money for supporting veterans. we shouldn't be ba raiding him. >> we shouldn't be painting a different light when he raised 5 million. >> does the truth not matter in this election cycle as we have said so many times? >> no, and what we are trying to do right now is nail jell-o to a
wall. we are playing the old politics where logic matters, where logic matters, those things don't matter at least not when donald trump is the candidate. the rules are changing. i think the only way hillary clinton can do this is to mock donald trump, you can't do it with logic or facts. i think she has to do it in ways that so far only barack obama has been able to do. where people can't answer questions and don't deal in facts it's not about proving someone is wrong it's about showing the absurdity of it. >> donald trump was on yesterday. >> there's nothing about his background that is praise wor y worthy? >> we will find out. >> you don't field like you know that. >> i don't think the country knows it. >> do you?
>> i think that we are beginning to find out but i don't think we know enough and that's why he should release his tax returns so that he actually has the level of success he claims to have. >> what she's saying is below all the hype, again, what is the truth behind, do you agree with her? >> i think you can see with donald trump's 102 or 101 page document, you can look to that and find out the answer. >> maria same question to you. >> yes, the truth matters, while this is somebody who has completely changed the rules, this is a different electorate that he is facing. i think hillary clinton needs to under score in a different manner, and clearly she is doing
that as we can see by the late night tweets. whether he is worth as much as he is and you know that is something that absolutely gets to the heart of his ego and he can't stand it but number two does he pay anything in taxes? the late 70s show he paid zero in taxes. i think that would be a big deal for the american people for somebody who says he's worth $10 billion is worth something to know. they are going to make him wear like suits that are made by the child labor -- >> but making the trump is not as rich as he says he is argument, why that? >> i think again the rules of the game has changed and he has been in the headlines for decades. his name is on all kind of
buildings and you go into any small diner in america, like name me three people of who you think sf -- of is rich, donald trump is one of those names. it is a brand he has created. i feel at this point haves very hard to erode 30 some years worth of brand building. i think if democrats can actually prove that donald trump is not as rich as he says he is it would be devastating but it's going to be a very hard case for him to make tax returns or not because he has 30 system years -- 30 some years of equity. that's why he's able to be competitive on the road. >> what about this statement he made back in 2011 listen to this? >> i have a great company, i've done a great job, which if i run it you will see from full disclosure from finances.
>> you have tax returns? >> maybe i'm going to do the tax returns when obama does his birth certificate. >> maria? >> kristen is right that he does have a brand, so i think if democrats can then make the connection. look, we all know his rich, maybe it doesn't matter if it's 1 billion or 10 billion, but if people find out like in 78 or 79 that he paid zero taxes when you have firefighters and single moms that are paying taxes -- >> but did he do it because he said if the president would release his birth certificate, so should he release his taxes? >> well, donald trump -- yeah, so point well made, but here is the problem maria, that trump
will just say of course i didn't pay any taxes. i have smart people who figured out -- but that's because the system is rigged that's why you need to elect me to be president so that other people can't rig the system. it doesn't matter. i think everyone is still thinking about this is the way politics used to be played. it either doesn't work anymore or it doesn't work for trump. >> stand by everyone. hold on. we'll be right back and continue the conversation don't go anywhere.
the primaries just days away, this is a big one, matt louis, maria dor del lis and joseph. you say there are two more weeks. >> if hillary clinton doesn't win the nomination with the required number of delegates being pledged delegates i think it might be longer than two weeks because he's going to cause her this inconvenience up until the convention in not up straight through. we see her behind in poles
trending down and this is going to continue the next two weeks. >> bernie sanders says he's not going anywhere until the last vote is counted for the primaries at least until the convention if secretary clinton wins california do you think bernie sanders will bow out then? >> i think his goal is to go all the way to the convention if not to actually be the nominee but to have a lot of influence over the agenda of the democrats, the message that they carry through november, if i'm bernie sanders i don't go down without a fight or simply pack up my toys and go home. bernie sanders has as a lot of moment momentum, he has the case to make he's the more electable than the two. it makes more the reason for him not to say well i'll step down. >> i think he's going to have to come to that conclusion unless he wants to see donald trump in
the white house, but i take jeff weaver at his word that bernie sanders will come out and endorse hillary clinton if she will be the nominee, the question is if she will, and she will be the nominee, her numbers were not as robust, but i am fully confident the way it happened in 2008 and you have percentages more percentages of bernie sanders supporters who say they will support hillary clinton than what you had hillary clinton supporters say they would support barack obama in 2008 and that turned out to be a fantastic election for the democratic party, we are unified. >> bernie sanders does poll better than hillary clinton up against clinton in a poll. >> that tells me nothing, you guys know that. come on.
ask president romney, president mccain if those polls mean anything. >> they mean something but not that much. and hillary yesterday said well, but bernie hasn't had any attack ads, but not much, bernie has basically been unscathed and a lot of people like him but how would he hold you have in a withering general election campaign, maybe not as well as he has so far. >> that is exactly right. >> go ahead kristen. >> i will say this in hillary clinton defense, when you look at the polls the reason why bernie sanders does so well it isn't because they really dislike hillary clinton it's because they really like bernie sanders. i think there are certainly a handful of local bernie sanders supporters who say they're never hillary, but i do think we are likely to see the democratic
party unify. >> the counselman says two more weeks. >> but my question is david gergen says that a movement behind him has gone to his head. maria what do you think of that? do you agree? >> it has to be intoxicating to go on a stage and see tens of thousands of people screaming your name and that's not going to be something that is easy to give up. i understand that. but when it comes down to it bernie sanders really does believe in this movement as do his supporters, and when they have a choice to have donald trump to have your progressive values 150% evis lated by this man by the working class and middle class families versus hillary clinton -- in common
with -- >> in some ways trump and sanders -- >> today for example, we saw and we have actually heard this before that donald trump pocketed money from the 9/11 fund that was supposed to go to help small businesses revitalize. we also have seen him various times now having a quote about he was giddy about the ongoing or housing crisis in 2007 because he could make money out of it. he paid zero taxes in 78 and 79. he's a free loader. >> i don't even know what a free loader means. >> look it up. >> right now the republican party is coming together like a
battleship and as you can see the democrats are in row boats and kancan't even figure out hoo row. i'm looking forward to the next two weeks. >> it's amazing that donald trump wrapped up his primary weeks or months before hillary clinton could. like i said before, if most americans right now are unhappy with the direction of the country, hillary clinton represents the establishment, the status quo, donald trump represents a change, a change and a disrupter, that alone makes this race very competitive. >> kristen last word. i have to let kristen get in. >> everybody needs to buckle up, because in an election where people dislike candidates so much this is going to be a really volatile campaign, imagine what they might look like in the debates, this is
going to be one in the history books. they are ininstructive. >> i don't know if it makes my job harder or easier when i have to go okay, you go, you stop. >> she always wants the last word. >> thank you maria. maria likes to get the last word. but she stayed up late. >> the latest investigation of egyptair flight -- can
air transportation michael white and david gallo. i watched all of you this weekend all weekend long. great information this weekend. let's talk about the new stuff. officials are at odds now about this evening about what happened during the final moments of egyptair flight 804. officials say the plane did not swerve or loose altitude before losing radar. they fell to 10,000 feet. why the discrepancies? >> well i think the early reports can often be wrong or conflicting because it's hard to te what you are seeing on those radar tracings and if you are actually reading them correctly so i think the reading i think is based on -- the only hard data we have is the acar
messages, but that's really the only hard data we have right now plus the fact that it missed it's reporting to report over to the air traffic control change, so that's problem causing people to rethink the initial thoughts of terrorism. >> we also have the audio of the pilot making his last call. >> thank you so much. good day, good night. >> it appears to be routine, it is standard. does this bring any clues or anything, david? >> not that audio. it is routine, what could have been said there, there's nothing you could gleen out of it from what i hear. >> french officials confirmed that the flight data confirmed smoke from the cockpit minutes before the crash.
>> it certainly could and a bunch of is hit the books over the weekend and there have been similar situations or warnings with other air bus aircraft and of course by getting some acars messages you have got the warnings from the windows on the right hand side in the cockpit the copilot seat we call it and we had those warnings first before the other warns on the acars message, the other warning was there had been a message of depresuresation if one would have a bomb that had blown a hole in the side of the plane. >> it is pretty common if you look at australian atsb which is like our ntsb actually investigated this and they had
found 19 instances on airus planes where that right window assembly had shorted out, caused fires, had difficult with wiring and the wiring harness and insulation in the window and it happened 37 to 39,000 feet, so a short in the wiring, a problem with the wiring insulation overheating, the controller modules, electronics bay, you have a lot of different mechanical things that could cause it. >> let me go to gadavid gallo, many things have been found, parts of life vests and body parts, but they have not found the plane yet. >> objects don't float that fast
on the water surface, so they have a big jump ahead of air france 447, so somewhere they need to draw a bulls eye and start looking to see if they can find the body of that wreckage. >> it's 350 square miles they are searching, how dig big is i >> that's big, but you're talking about months of survey. >> if you can get it down to a 10-mile circle radius they might be able to get it done in a month. >> officials were saying it looked like terrorism initially, no one has taken responsibility. >> no it is bizarre, there was this long awaited audio, the
spokesman, everybody thought it was going to be a message from himself saying yeah, we did this one and not a word, president obama, not much chatter, look, there have been cases in the past where a terrorist operation has been cared out and days, weeks months go by before al qaeda takes credit for it. but an operation as sensitive as this which would have required them to have an inside man, a technician, smuggling a bomb into the nerve center of the plane, this is something isis should have known about in advance and they would have been right out of the gate to claim edit for it. now i wouldn't call it a lone wolf in this case, but could be a guy who are really trying to stick it to the egyptian regime, it's not uncommon in egyptian
regime for jihadi sympathyizers to do it. >> is it unusual for them to not find the clues yet? >> i would defer to the specialists on the panel. if it was a passenger, who would have been on board, nothing is there that i can tell, there would have been cabin depressurersation and again the fire started in a part of the plane that you could not access from being inside the cabin or inside the passenger. >> so isis wouldn't take responsibility for it just to get people scared. >> well, they used to take credit for taking reign in syria, but look, they're leaning
back with me now david, and david gallo, and maria, we have been talking about who this could be? >> this is a guy who told me he trained two french foreign fighters who went back to france weeks before the pairs attacks and he has informants inside the organization and i asked if it was isis an he said i have no idea. so there are people in alepo who don't know about it if it is.
>> they want better signals, intelligence or i should say better communication security. >> we were talking about this new york times thing, this ch g chilling message, "we will bring this plane down "it was written on this under side of this plane two years ago. what do you think? >> again, working for institutions like an international airport it's not uncommon to have shiympathyizer if you told me an air france plane had that written on it i would be much more worried about it and that would be more likely for transport hubs. >> we talked about in the beginning seems to be the leading theory at first, very
little physical evidence as michael pointed out, at this point, is any theory still possible right now, could it have been a mechanical failure? >> you know, don, we talked for years, the last couple of years since mh 370 wouldn't it be great if we have live streaming, in this case we do, telling us exactly what happened. the first thing was the anti-ice system failed which we have a history of, and mary went through that history as well. the second thing was another window failed that overheated, the other thing was smoke in the lavatory, and then another window failed and then other things started to fail from that point forward, to me it is simply laid out for us here, the only evidence we have points to a mechanical failure, as michael pointed out if there was a bomb
involved here it would have had to have been smuggled not only into the airport, not only into the airplane but into the cockpit, if i was going to take the airplane down it wouldn't select the three inches thick window in the cockpit. >> when we said you know about streaming data, right? we were talking about that during the break, there were so many things that can be done when it comes to aviation that aren't being done david gallo. >> when you think about the number of people that are flying and are at risk and the humanitarian thing as well. the answers are at the bottom of the mediterranean. >> someone in the studio one to have four directors said why not have floating black boxes? something that will float to the
surface? >> right. there's all sorts of things that you can make in the modern age. >> the easiest of all would be to modify the black boxes which are 50-year-old technology to have the continuous streaming, you could always have continuous streaming video, you could have many other ways instead of searching at the bottom of the ocean as we have done now so many times over the last two years, the technology is there an it could stream almost continuously. >> is that what the military does, david soucie? they have transmitters that float so when it hits the water, the elt senses the drop, ejects it and floets out on top of the