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stories of sex and dirty secrets are new again in a new ad, and has a new ad as well saying trump wants to air all the dirty laundry except his own, says clinton. and clinton also taking heat from bernie sanders who is fighting on to the final super tuesday, two weeks from today. sanders predicting the democratic convention could be "messy" all this as clinton declines to debate sanders. we have the race covered only the way cnn can. we begin with phil mattingly. what do you have? >> reporter: republicans on both sides of the aisle agree on an exceedingly important time to set the scene for the general election that looms, this is when you define your oepponent. wee searing it with attacks from donald trump, attacks from hillary clinton. everybody trying to figure out how to set the tone for the next months ahead. >> we are going to unify the
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democratic party and stop donald trump. >> reporter: this morning, hillary clinton taking a new line of attack against donald trump. her campaign painting trump as a greedy billionaire, and in a new ad. >> i sort of hope that happens, because then people like me would go in and buy. >> reporter: harkening back to trump's controversy comments before the 2008 housing market collapse. >> if there is a bubble burst, as they call it, you know, you can make a lot of money. >> reporter: clinton swiping at the presumptive nominee on multiple fronts before a union crowd on monday issuing a warning about trump's four bankruptcy surrounding his casino holdings. >> he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. >> reporter: and sticking with another tried and true assault, trump's temperament. >> the last thing we need is a bully in the pulpit. >> reporter: all as the billionaire continues to hound bill clinton's past infidelity, sending one of his top advisors
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to swipe at hillary clinton. >> she overregulates, she overtaxes, she overpromises and doesn't deliver. >> reporter: the hoss titility presidenting with both candidates, sending high negatives in the most recent polls, but trump is getting new support from capitol hill in the form of tennessee senator bob corker. >> his approach to foreign policy is something i want to hear more about. i heard more about it today, and i appreciated that. >> reporter: though corker is still downplaying talk that he may be high on trump's vp list. >> i'm not angling for any job. i think the best way to not end up in a position like those is to angle for it, but i have no indication whatsoever that i was even being considered. >> guys, still plenty inkrieg w -- intrigue who donald trump's running mate will be. you'll see a lot of this ahead in the especially clinton
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campaign. trying to get something to stick. up to this point, nobody the succeeded with that. >> phil, stay with us, if you would. we bring in the rest of the our panel pshgs host of the david gregory show podcast, david gregory and washington bureau chief jackie kucinich. jackie, start with you. phil pointed out both candidates are going back in time to find attacks against each other. so hillary clinton has found this 2006 episode where donald trump said that the housing market crash would be great for him and then, of course, the housing market did crash. and as we know, donald trump for weeks now has been going back in time to allegations of sexual assault by bill clinton. both campaigns must have researched, right, this will be effective with voters? otherwise, why would they do this? >> it's very true. they're both angling for different parts of the electorate at this point. trump trying to erode hillary clinton's support with women and hoping these allegations might cause women to take pause.
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we live in a culture, in "the daily beast," sean hannity had several of the women who accused bill clinton of rape on yesterday. they tend to believe the victim. there isn't a skepticism there may have been, you know, 30, 40 years ago. so the trump campaign is hoping to use that in order to get a new generation sort of taking another look at what hillary clinton's record. on the trump side, they are really trying to appeal to these blue collar voters who haven't really take an shine to hillary clinton at all. they're saying, look what trump did. you lost your home. he would have benefitted from that. so, you know, we'll see if either sticks with these parts of the electorate that both need in order to win. >> david, how worried are you about this? that the people are going to be lost in this conversation? and i don't mean it in some idealistic way. i'm saying there's a good chance that this narrative can certainly maintain for months. i cannot tell you how many phone calls i've gotten in the last 30
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hours from people who did business with trump, who know trump, wrote books about trump, mob ties and what happened with the casinos and what happened with women. how worried are you that this is the road we're going to go down. even if we don't want to go down it, they're going to go down it with their own campaigns? >> when you have candidates this unpopular and this negative, it's going to be nasty, and some of it's going to feel unfamiliar. some of it feel very familiar. the attacks on trump that clinton is doing is really reminiscent, to me, of what the obama team did against romney in 2012. when they really went after his time at bayne capital, as a forerunner of creating call centers in india and china, and outsourcing jobs. and that was not just a hit against him as a successful businessman, it was also an economic values argument about the kind of business that bayne did. that was the attack that was made back then. it was effective, and redefined
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romney's biggest qualifications being a successful businessman. and here with trump too. if his greatest qualification he's going to make great deals on behalf of america, if you argue, if you're the clinton team, that he's not that success, he's been personally bankrupt, rooting for a housing collapse. you see where this is going. i think as jackie says, on the clinton side of this, with past infidelities by bill clinton and so forth, this is a pitch to a new generation. i think most of the electorate made a decision about the clintons here but are trying to reach younger voters, in particular younger women who may have a different view of it, and may be hearing tab in a different way for the first time. >> okay. so, phil, let's dispense with the attacks on each other that they're doing. let's try to talk about the issues. donald trump made some news in which he's been talking about guns, and an issue so important to americans, and some people are confused about where he stands now on gun-free zones. let me play you some of the conflicting worry. listen to this.
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>> we're getting rid of gun-free zones. okay? i can tell you. >> i don't want to have guns in classrooms, although in some cases, teachers should have guns in classrooms, frankly, but i'm not advocating guns in classrooms but, remember in some cases and a lot of people 345id this case, teachers should be able to have gunned. trained teachers should be able to have guns in classrooms. >> that left people confused. he said i don't want guns in classrooms but frankly, teachers should have guns in classroomed and talked to one of our cnn producers and said i would end gun-free zones in some cases. people would be properly trained, the way clinton said it, it meant every student should be sitting there carrying guns. is it clear now where he standards? >> no, not really. but this is how he benefits, benefited throughout the entire process. he lays out a position, people scratch their head and then he said, no, no. i meant this -- he can reviseit.
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he believes some gun-free zones should be done away with, well-trained people in schools, teachers, security officers, or otherwise, should carry guns. whether or not that position maintains for the next 24 hours becomes an open question. this is the difficulty the clinton campaign has. they want to stick him on one particular issue. they don't want to attack him on shifting positions. they want to continue to hit him on the first position. he tries to diffuse that in later interviews. you want guns in all classrooms, whether or not that sticks because of trump's agility becomes a big question. >> that's a good word. phil's word is agility. that's not the word you'll hear from the clinton campaign. you'll hear the word vacillation. you're going to hear language about his, you know, flip in respe respect -- flip-flop, maybe, but that shows reckoning they're not going to ascribe to him.
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they're going to say the guy just says whatever comes out of his head in that moment. that's not leadership. is that too subtle a case? >> it's hard to say, because as the -- the clip you just played, trur trump is sort of all over the place and that's why you saw some nra members upset with the fact he was endorsed the other day. because they don't know where he stands on these various issues. now, it just doesn't -- consistency should be an argument against donald trump for all intents and purposes in a normal political system. this isn't a normal candidate, and we don't know yet if these attacks are going to work. you know, as we said at the beginning of this conversation, they're sort of throwing things up and just seeing you know what is actually going to have an impact on donald trump. >> this is so clear that donald trump is not thinking through these areas. a number of positions trump is clearly talking off the top of his head. that is not new. he's been doing it throughout
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this campaign. there's a hidden strength in that to some voters who see him at os an ideologue, not having fixed positions, willing to deal, somebody who will go in that direction. both partisans within the party, nra members, conservatives, no, no. we want him to know that he's on position. >> that's what you do. cobble together a group of special interests, not that use that as a pejorative, but your issue is here, here, here, on abortion, on guns. what they're hoping for. to people have enough of a threshold of integrity. >> right, but clinton wants to have trump be part of a larger conservative narrative. whether it's abortion or guns, she wants him to fit into that narrative and that's where he's trying to wiggle away. but i think it's quite clear and we've seen it now for months, there are a number of issues where trump, because he does so many interviews, is kind of thinking off the top of his head. he hasn't studied these issues or getting particular briefings
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on some of these issues. he's speaking extemporaneously. >> he's watching us that is actually a good decision, but i also think it reflects where the american voters are. and certainly his supporters are. which is, not doctrineaire. maybe they don't work. maybe a trained teacher in a classroom who knows how to handle a gun would be helpful. he's speaking to something that people have felt, rather than sticking on one position. phil, do you think that that's what's working with voters? >> one of best parts of his candidacy throughout this point. if you talk to his supporters, that's exactly what appeals to them. that he's not a cookie cutter version of a quote/unquote conservative. or not an ideologue. it's that he says what people are thinking. i hear that every trump rally i've been to. somebody will say, he says what i talk about at my dinner table within the confines of my own
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home. they're not so up concerned about, wait. that's not the traditional position for a republican. that's not a traditional position for an nra member. they think, that tracks kind of with how i feel, and i think that's what's appealing up to this point. it's very difficult to attack, and it's totally different from what we've seen in every cycle leading up to now. >> panel, thank you very much. stick around. we have much more to talk to with you about shortly. for hillary clinton this is certainly still a two-front war on the democratic side. she is up to it to her neck with bernie sanders. he has a new warns. here it is. the democratic convention in philadelphia this summer could be "moes "messy." meanwhile, hillary clinton declining to debate bernie sanders keeping her focus on donald trump instead. what are the implications? cnn correspondent joe johns live in washington with more. >> reporter: good morning, chris. bernie sanders giving establishment democrats who want unity even more to worry about
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this morning. it was in an interview with the associated press responding to a question about the potential for a messy democratic convention. sanders basically says that if it happens, so be it. >> see what? democracy is messy. i have, every day of my life is messy, but if you want everything to be quiet and orderly and allow just things to proceed without vigorous debate, that is not what democracy is about. >> the sanders campaign also attacking hillary clinton for not agreeing to participate in a debate in advance of the california primary suggesting it's an insult to the voters of the state. the democratic party continuing to try to get some sort of a peace deal between the two campaigns allowing sanders to appoint roughly one-third of the people to serve on the party's platform committee. the clinton campaign looking more and more like it's all-in on the effort to focus on donald trump and the general election, though the former secretary of state is expected to compete hard in the remaining primary states, especially california.
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"the washington post" reporting she's have surrogates on a media blitz today hammering trump in battleground states on his business record when the housing bubble burst. alisyn? >> okay, joe, thank you very much for that. we do have breaking news to bring you right now, because there you are in questions about what may have brought down egyptair flight 804. forensic officials in egypt examining human remains for clues, and the search for the black boxes is intensifying. cnn's nic robertson is live in alexandria, egypt with all the breaking details. what have you learned, nic? >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. forensic officials in cairo are sifting through what they say are 15 bags of human remains that have been brought and recovered from the debris field. they're trying to piece together those items. they say that all of the pieces that have been recovered so far are small. of course, the absolutely critical question is what can they learn from these forensic
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tests that they're doing that can tell everyone about what happened onboard that aircraft? and right now, they are saying that it is too soon to say whether the plane was brought down by an explosion. they're really at the beginning of this process. too soon to say whether or not it was brought down by an explosion. the race out at sea continues. there are two submarines 0 ut there now. the sea is still relatively choppy. they are still searching for the black boxes onboard one of the ships out there. we know an acoustic detection device that should be able to be used to detect the pings coming from the transmitters that are on those black boxes, a race against time. as we all know, those pingers, those transmitters, the batteries expire after about a month. chris? >> nic, so many competing pressures. we have the timing of the alerts that you're pointing out, and also the urgency of getting answers for the families, but also giving them the right
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conclusions. so there are a lot of different pressures at play here. thank you for staying on the story for us. we'll check back with you soon. back to the election. bernie sanders is simply digging in. he believes that he matters in this race until the end. and he just got a huge concession from the democratic party. he is still saying it could get messy at the convention, but wait until you hear what happened and what's going to be the deal in philadelphia. ♪
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so bernie sanders has relentlessly been pushing a progressive agenda, saying that this is about his ideas, that this is about the message, and he's making in-roads. his supporters are going have a big say in what the democratic party platform is at this convention. now, this is all done in the context of bernie sanders saying it's going to get messy at the convention in philadelphia this summer, but what does he really mean by that in light of this big news that we have? let's bring back our panel to discuss. david gregory, jackie kucinich,
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phil mattingly. phil, the news is, as you know, party platform, used to be everything, by the way. back in my day the party platform -- now it's really about the candidates more. however, take us through how it could work in terms of who has control, but what's going to happen this time? >> this is a big deal in the sense it's unprecedented. traditionally the democratic national chair gets to choose all 15 seats on the platform committee. why does the platform committee matt matter? it essentially writes what the democratic party will stand by. it's not binding but it's always an important debate. with debbie wasserman schultz the nemesis of bernie sanders, did as an olive branch, allowed bernie sanders to select five of the seats on the platform. hillary clinton will get six. debbie wasserman schultz will select four. a significant concession, an olive branch of sorts saying to your point, chris, if bernie sanders cares about the ideas, if bernie sanders wants his policies to be considered, now
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he's got an unprecedented seat, or five of them, at the table. >> david, why, then, will it get messy at the convention as sanders is predicting, since he's gotten some, a large portion, of what he has always said he wanted? >> i think he really wants that big influence over the platform, which he has a good shot of getting. still, he represents a lot of supporters who want to keep this campaign going, and he wants to do the same. he's making very strong arguments about how it's a system that is rigged to help the insider within the party, and he's right about that. but those are the rules that he understood when he got into this race, and he's far behind when it comes to both the pledge delegates and, of course, the super delegates as well. so he's going to play this out. i think we should remember that hillary clinton played this out as well going to california back in 2008. but the difference here is that this fight, this lack of unity, the fight with the party chair and the system itself, seems to
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be more deeply rooted, which presents a bigger challenge, i think, for hillary clinton to win over his supporters. and that's the real test here. she is in more negative territory in terms of her approval with sanders supporters than was barack obama with hillary clinton supporters back in 2008, and be the other irony to all of this, at a time when the democrats really need unity. you have the president of the united states sitting at about 51% personal approval. that's a huge deal. that helps hillary clinton and the demming tremendously in this election year, provided she can provide that bridge to get sanders supporters over to her side. >> well, look. we're just starting to see, jackie, what the evolution of the next phase of this will be. what will a biden do? what will obama do? how much will they own this process? you know? what is the independent flank, you know, of the electorate this year. there's a lot of unknowns, but this is a big deal. this is a big crossroads for bernie sanders. is it not? because he's always been about
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the message and about making sure that his ideas don't get lost. this is the biggest capitulation of that kind we've seen from the democratic party in the modern age. now if he keeps pressing with the same argumentsy, does it start to sound different, that it's about him and not the message? >> i don't think with bernie sanders supporters that's possible. he has a very loyal base of people who will go on the convention floor and fight with him. he's still talking about flipping super delegates. even though they offered an olive branch, doesn't feel like sanders is ready to start the healing yet. >> fight for what? we want health care for all. well, you got just as many seats, almost, as clinton. >> sanders has done very little to tamp down the believe among his supporters that he can make a go of this. that he might be able to fight on the convention floor and become the party nominee.
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he hasn't backed down from that. so if you're going for the whole crown, why would you say, oh, gee, thanks for the crumbs from the platform. which is sort of this insidery thing. yeah, it's a really big deal in the big scheme of things, but when talking at the sanders supporters, they want their guy at the top of the ticket, and nothing less will do. >> and sanders predicting it could be messy, phil, and doesn't think that would be a bad thing. listen to how he explained what might hab at the convention. >> it's going to be messy. you know? democracy is not always nice and quiet and gentle. but that is where the democratic party should go. >> so you think that the convention could be messy? >> for what? democracy is messy. every day of my life is messy, but if you want everything to be quiet and orderly, and allow, you know, just things to proceed without vigorous debate, that is not what democracy is about. >> such a dangerous question, the reporter asked it in shadow. >> so sanders likes messy.
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>> the answer wasn't wrong on several levels from maybe his fashion and appearance to democracy itself. look, i think the difference between why people kind of were taken aback by this comment is, what bernie sanders is talking about is having a vigorous debate on the floor about ideas. what bernie sanders supporters might take from that comment may be something entirely different. i think what i'm struck by is, again, this interview came after the dnc concession. he hasn't toned it down in any way. what are the levers you pull if you're national democrats if you're hillary clinton's team to get him onboard? there are traditional levers, as we said, unpresident dented with the congressional committee. that you'll go back to the senate and nobody will care about you? your democratic colleagues won't pay attention to you, won't let you do anything in the senate. doesn't seem he cares much about that. he was always alone in the senate as well. what are the levers to pull that would work with bernie sanders? as of now, no answer to that. >> panel, thank you for the
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the pentagon says taliban leader mullah mansour was hatching plans to attack americans. hours after president obama confirmed he was taken out by a u.s. drone strike in pakistan, u.s. officials were saying that mansour was orchestrating what they call specific and imminent assaults on the u.s. and coalition forces in afghanistan. senior members of the taliban have begun the process already of choosing a successor. the head of security operations of the tsa has been removed from his position amid congressional scrutiny. just last month kelly hoggan was
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blasted as a house oversight committee hearing over why he received a $90,000 bonus even though security lines at the nation's airports were getting much longer under his watch. facebook answering its conservative critics. the social network says the result of an internal investigation found both liberal and conservative stories were equally featured in its "trending topics." facebook announcing it will revamp its trending topics, however, to counter charges of bias, including no longer using outside sites to determine if a trending story is relevant. okay. up next -- >> what do you think? hold on. hold on! >> it's interesting. >> you facebook crony. >> just glossing over that. >> don't you run away from the news. >> it's interesting that they sap they found nothing was going on. that they were equally represented but they're re-doing their process. >> what does that tell you? >> i don't know. what does it tell you? chris cuomo what -- i ask the questions. >> you did it very well.
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>> see how slippery he is? not answering. >> i don't know the answer, to be honest. >> i figured that out. up next, a cnn exclusive to tell you about. you're going to go inside the green zone in baghdad. this is the most heavily fortified region of the iraqi capital, as you know, but is it still vulnerable to isis? this is reporting that you will not see anywhere else. that's next. e what they say. technology moves faster than ever. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration.
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this is a very important cnn exclusive for you. the top u.s. commander leading the charge against isis in iraq takes cnn inside the war in iraq. the commander in question is general joseph votel, and he is revealing the state of u.s. training efforts and his concerns about iraqi forces protecting baghdad just as they launch a major offensive to reclaim fallujah from isis. cnn's barbara starr is live in amman, jordan, after this trip. again, this reporting, barbara, thanks to you, and your team, you're the only television camera to go in on this mission, which was once very dangerous for you, but so important for
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people to see. >> reporter: well, you know, chris, good morning from amman. general votel making it very clear he wanted to take a very small group of reporters with him. he talks about the fact, there's nothing to hide. he feels it's important. he says, getting the word out about was the u.s. military is doing. votel's priority in iraq that we saw firsthand and we traveled with him is to make sure the iraqi military, the iraqi government doesn't get distracted. they get trained, get equipped and get their army out there fighting. isis, very much posing a challenge to that. >> protestors invade baghdad's green zone for the second time. violence rising as oh piigs to the iraqi government grows. the top commander running the war against isis is watching carefully for the stress mounting on the iraqi military even now as it tries to
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recapture the key city of fallujah. >> they're having to make decisions in terms of where they're force is going, where their priorities are. >> reporter: but in baghdad, with the u.s. embassy and military headquarters inside the heavily fortified green zone, does the u.s. have enough security on hand? >> yes, i do think we have the right security forces on ground, on the ground, from a u.s. perspective, to take care of ourselves there. >> reporter: cnn was the only network with general joseph votel, the u.s. commander in charge of the war against isis, as he traveled in iraq getting the latest assessments on security and the readiness of iraqi forces. this base about one hour north of baghdad is one of the front lines in the effort to train, advise and assist iraqi forces. but they have at least temporarily seen some iraqi forces being called back to baghdad for a few weeks to deal with the security situation there in the wake of the rising attacks by isis.
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votel is trying to convention iraqi military to station enough troops around the country and not flood baghdad with security forces as the government tries to confront the latest violence in the capital. >> they are attempting to create chaos in the capital. they're attempting to divert attention away from other areas where the coalition forces and the iraqis are having success. >> reporter: this military warehouse just to the south in kuwait brimming with more than 25,000 weapons for those iraqi forces. all are being shipped out as more iraqis show up for u.s.-led training. >> all right, barbara, let's pull back the curtain if we can. for many years you know i've relied on you as an insightful voice what the war is in these major theaters. now that you are back in iraq and in the zone seeing what's going on, what is your take on the stability of the area?
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>> reporter: well, i think it does begin with baghdad, because the concern for the obama administration is, you know, baghdad security. you've got to be all-in. there is no other option. baghdad must remain secure and it's very difficult, a huge city. isis can still drive in from the suburbs, stage a bomb attack and drive out. you can't seal baghdad and make it perfect. so what the u.s. is focusing on is making sure that they can convince the iraqis, yes, put forces in baghdad. secure the city. but don't do it to the neglect of the rest of the country. this operation now unfolding in fallujah to the west of baghdad, all-important, because that takes you on the road to isis strongholds. getting ready to move on mosul, north of baghdad, all-important. because that is a major isis stronghold, iraq's second largest city. they just have to get the iraqis
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to be able to deal with more than one thing at once. >> barbara starr, thank you for taking the time, taking the risk and bringing us the reporting. appreciate it, as always. alisyn? >> thanks. there was a scary moment during a baseball game to show you. a pittsburgh pirates' player. oh, my gosh. hit in the eye with a pitch and then rushed by ambulance to the hospital. the latest on ryan vogelsong's injury and his prognosis, when "new day" continues. [ guitar playing ] ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies.
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illeg illegal. it plans to cooperate. no other explanations. and a family elated after a judge found him not guilty on all counts in the death of freddie gray. nero sobbing in court when a judge ruled there was no evidence to support the charges again him. afterwards his father called it a victory for all police officers. the gray family says it respects the judge's verdict. their attorney joins us live on "new day" in the next hour. a scary moment on the baseball diamond in pittsburgh. take a look at this. pirates pitcher brian vogelsong hit in the face by a pitch. it's not clear if he lost consciousness. he was carted off the field, taken by ambulance to a local hospital. treated for an injury to his left eye. it's not specific yet whether it's literally his eye or the bone and tissue around it. that is a big and meaningful difference. there will be an update on his condition later this morning. 0 obviously, you don't have to
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be an expert on sports to know a pitcher's eyes are everything. especially because of the need for depth perception and location, and just his ability to live his life. a very important piece of reporting. i have averted my own eyes during that segment, it's so disturbing. >> he seemed like he was okay. i watched several times. i don't know if his eye is okay. his general health seemed okay, but we'll stay on that. meanwhile, it's continuing to be ugly between donald trump and hillary clinton. which will stick, which are fair? getting more personal. we will break it down with our pa panel, ahead. you don't let anything keep you sidelined.
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trump economics is a recipe for lower wage it's, more debt. he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. i mean, ask yourself -- how can anybody lose money running a casino? really. >> that was hillary clinton taking direct aim at donald trump's business record. highlighting trump's past bankruptcy, four of them with his businesses, as a warning about how he would handle the economy. while trump goes amp bill clinton's past sexual controversies with a salacious web video. let's discuss with our guests margaret hoover, cnn political commentator and former george w.
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bush staffer and editor-in-chief of the "daily beast." great to have you here. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> talk us through what we are seeing. we have to talk about what attacks are fair? i guess it's the kitchen sink campaign? right? so everything is being thrown at each other. let's start with what donald trump has been doing, and that is bringing up bill clinton's, the accusations from women that are still out there about bill clinton having perpetrated sexual assault in the past. fair? unfair? >> well, it's inevitable. i don't know how you grade it ethically, because trump obviously is also partially deflecting attention against accusations made against him in the past, and just a complicated relationship with women and extramarital relationships. it's a degree of deflection. this election will be the big ugly. it's going to be everything. there is nothing that's too low, and this is just a sign of things to come, folks. you know, first you played the
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woman card against hillary, then the rape card against bubba and it's only going to get worse from here. >> we are discussing this round in an effort to shortcut it and have it end quickly, because none of us believes that this is what this election should be about. >> correct. >> fair? fair? >> yes. >> fair, just we don't get to decide what this is about. >> right. >> margaret -- >> you make choices, about how much you do and what aspects of it you cover. i mean, i don't want to do a point-by-point comparison of bill clinton's worst points in his personal life and see how similar they are to donald trump. >> the worst of the '90s. no thank you. >> one of the things that got trump in trouble in the '90s was his being an open apologist for bill clinton. he supported bill clinton said linda tripp was the worst in the world, i don't understand it now. >> here's the thing.
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>> a looking glass. >> this election is no longer about the republican primary base that truly would have forgiven trump if he had shot somebody on fifth avenue, right? now we are shifting to a race that is the general election. by the way, hillary clinton seems to have gotten the memo, donald trump doesn't. this is going to be about independent voters in 35 counties in 7 or 8 states. that's who swings elections in very tight elections and this may not be a tight election but that's who they need to train their focus on. hillary clinton is testing a message of sort of economic competency and that donald trump won't be able to hit it, very clever. ahows her to tap into the economic unrest on the left, while attacking donald trump, because she hasn't been able to have a strong economic message. dnts d donald trump is attacking to the right. going to the nra. picking supreme court justices that are hyperconservative. he isn't going thwart the general election which frankly puts him in a disadvantage.
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>> interesting. in terms of the economy, an interesting poll. "washington post," abc news poll finds who would you trust more to handle the economy? the answer completely split, but hillary clinton gets 47%. donald trump 46%. that's interesting t. is. actually one of the things beneath the hillary clinton strategy we played at the top of that speech is to go at one of dnt's perceived strengths. smart campaign strategists do this. not at their weakness early go at theirs strength and turn it into a net negative. donald trump has a reputation, a celebrity demagogue being a good businessman, four bankruptcy, in fact this isn't good for the economy and has an edge on her in two areas. a tightly split poll. the economy and tear original. she needs to go after those areas. >> and will that resonate with independent voters in 35 counties in these 7 swing states. >> using that, is he going after her perceived strength? she's a woman. so plant the seed. >> bingo. >> there's a checkered past.
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>> bingo. >> in terms of women. what he's didn't trying to do. go? >> and, yes, he has incredibly high unfavorability ratings amongst, women. right? if you really want to go at her, go at her supposed experience on the job, and then hit at the credibility of her job as secretary of state. >> too hard. >> yeah. too complicated. >> this is easier. i will say this, i think it's an open call. maybe this is unfair. i got to think how much -- all right. i have a pretty easy day today. i'll take some heat. >> that's not a process. >> more of a mention because i think this is more weighted towards hillary clinton than donald trump this thing. i think independent voters i don't think. we know independent voters are more resonant to message than partisan voters. okay? that you can get a pass with the partisan part of the way. independents, no the so much. the one who wins with the independents is the one who makes the better case about themselves. i believe that the research is still pretty solid on it now. >> and you can -- >> i think that hillary clinton
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would be well served. donald trump, too, maybe clinton more, because trump is the manifestation of the people's rejection of the status quo. she is not that. >> yes. >> to say here's why i'm better. here's what he doesn't get. here's how you know i do get it. i think if it comes down to these people in 35 counties that if you win ohio you win everything, that's something to remember. >> you have to stand for something affirmative certainly, but can't tell me negative campaigning doesn't work because all of us in politics know it works. >> i'm saying with this select slice. >> it's not a select slice. 45% of electorate is independent voters. many are we are suedable and will make a decision based on who would be more effective and break through the dysfunction. fascinating is this. bernie sanders and donald trump attracted voters, open primaries, railing against a rigged system driven by special interests and big money. right? hillary clinton is uniquely ill-suited to argue she can be
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an agent of change against special interests and big money in politics. that doesn't mean trump will win independents although they move right as a cohort. does mean hillary clinton that to fashion an appeal that can connect with their concerns and say donald trump is railing about dysfunction in washington but would double down and that's the difference. >> go ahead, margaret? >> i hate to agree. i thit agree with my husbands, sometimes he has a good point. >> we get it. fantastic. margaret, john, thank you. great to have you here. what's your take on all of these issues we just discussed? tweet us at "new day" or post your comments on facebook, cnn.com/newday. a lot of reports from around the world and big interviews. so let's get right to it. we're going to win the whole thing. >> trump economics is a recipe for lower wages, fewer jobs, more debt. >> talk to me before the election. i'll release it. >> we are going to unify and
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stop donald trump. >> democracy is not always nice and quiet. it's going to be messy. >> forensic officials sifting through bags of human remains. >> new questions about what may have brought down egyptair flight 804. >> the race out at sea continues. >> it may not be until we get those black boxes that we get real answers. >> this is what i say, no justice, no peace. >> baltimore police officer edward nero found not guilty on all charges. >> we got five more cases. wait and see what happens. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." donald trump and hillary clinton attacking, taking their attacks to new levels. clinton taking aim at trump's business record. releases a new ad framing him as a greedy developer. trump, meanwhile, targeting bill clinton in a new instagram video calling him out for past sexual assault allegations. it all just gets a big
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"yuck". doesn't it? now also a situation for hillary clinton coming from the left, within her own party. bernie sanders says the democratic convention could be messy. this, as he is pushing the party to adopt a more progressive agenda. well, he just got a huge break, and a huge setback. we're going to tell you about them both this morning. we have the 20916 race covered the way only cnn can. we begin with phil mattingly joining us now. phil? >> reporter: chris, this is a crucial moment for both the clinton and trump campaigns and campaign advisers are willing to acknowledge it. this is the time when you define your opponent in the race. it's what barack obama did so effectively in 2012. it's what hillary clinton and donald trump are trying to do with their respective attacks now. before those attacks, they're looking to the past. >> we are going to unify the democratic party and stop donald trump. >> reporter: this morning, hillary clinton taking a new line of attack against donald trump. her campaign painting trump at a
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greedy billionaire, in a new ad. >> i sort of hope that happens, because then people like me would go in and buy. >> reporter: harkening back to trump's controversy comments before the 2008 housing market collapse. >> if there is a bubble burst, as they call it, you know, you can make a lot of money. >> reporter: clinton swiping at the presumptive nominee on multiple fronts before a union crowd monday, issues a warning about trump's four bankruptcy surrounding his casino holdings. >> he could bankrupt america like he's bankrupted his companies. >> reporter: and sticking with another tried and true assault, trump's temperament. >> the last thing we need is a bully in the pulpit. >> reporter: all as the billionaire continues to hound bill clinton's past infidelity, sending one of his top advisors to swipe at hillary clinton. >> she overregulates, she overtaxes, she overpromises and doesn't deliver. >> reporter: the hostility
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spreading with both candidates, facing high negatives in the most recent polls, but trump is getting new support from capitol hill in the form of tennessee senator bob corker. >> his approach to foreign policy is something i want to hear more about. i heard more about it today, and i appreciated that. >> reporter: though corker is still downplaying talk that he may be high on trump's vp list. >> i'm not angling for any job. i think the best way to not end up in a position like those is to angle for it, but i have no indication whatsoever that i was even being considered. >> reporter: so the intrigue continues over who donald trump's running mate may be and donald trump heading back on the campaign trail today targeting new mexico. a west coast swing, even those he's already the presumptive nominee, trump and his advisers maintaining he is going to stay on the trail in the weeks ahead. >> phil, appreciate it. if you like your conventions nice and tidy, bernie sanders has a message for you. when democrats gather in
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philadelphia this summer, things could be "messy." meantime, hillary clinton rejecting an offer to debate sanders before the final super tuesday primaries in two weeks. what will that mean to the electorate in california and beyond? cnn's senior washington correspondent joe johns live in d.c. with more. good morning, joe. >> reporter: good morning, chris. bernie sanders really giving establishment democrats who want unity even more to worry about this morning. it was in an interview with the associated press, responding to a question about the potential for a messy democratic convention. sanders basically saying if that happens, so be it. >> so what? democracy is messy. every day of my life is messy, were ut if you want everything to be quiet and orderly and allows just things to proceed without vigorous debate that is not what democracy is about. >> reporter: the sanders campaign also attacking hillary clinton for not agreeing to participate in a debate in
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advance of the california primary, suggesting it's an insult to the voters of the state. the democratic party continuing to try to get some kind of a peace deal between the two campaigns, allowing sanders to appoint roughly one-third of the people to serve on the party's platform committee. now, the clinton campaign is clearly looking more and more like it's all-in on the effort to focus on donald trump and the general election. though the former secretary of state is expected to compete hard in the remaining primary states, especially california. cnn reporting last night that she'll have surrogates on a media blitz today, hammering trump in battleground states on his business record when the housing bubble burst. we want to talk about that now with our next guest, bernie sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. good morning, jeff. >> good morning. how are you? >> doing well. when senator sanders predicts that the convention on the democratic side could be "messy"
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what does he mean? >> well, i think what he means, a number of votes taken at the convention, if we can't get the platform planks that the senator supports in the platform during the committee process, if we can't get the electoral reform the senator is advocating, then, of course, those things would have to go to the floor for votes during the convention. >> and if that were to happen, the scenario you lay out, and you say things get messy, do you fear that that could be misinterpreted somehow by sanders supporters as sort of condoning an aggressive action of any kind? >> no. absolutely not. look, there's a process that goes on at the democratic convention. there's a committee process, and then if you don't prevail in the committee process you can go to the floor. in many cases, have the delegates as a whole vote on your proposals, and that's just the way the process works. so i think -- what the senator was referring to is, he intends to press his case for a prossive
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agenda within the democratic party, for electoral reform bringing many more into the democratic party and makes the party stronger and there's a process for doing that at the convention. >> i'm asking if it doesn't go his way what does messy look like to you? >> i think just votes. just votes on the floor of the convention. that's all. >> okay. >> they'll be debate and votes. which is not -- you don't often see that anymore in modern conventions. in fact, that's really what conventions are about. for parties to do the business of the party. >> let's talk about the unprecedented concession that senator sanders has gotten from the dnc chair, debbie wasserman schultz hawas who has given him seats at the drafting platform table. is that a victory? >> it absolutely is a victory, alisyn. millions of people supported senator sanders and his call for transforming america to deal with this rigged economy and a corrupt campaign finance system, and it is gratifying to know that the voices of those millions of people are being
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heard, within, by some of at democratic party and that they're adopting a much more inclusive attitude towards senator sanders and his millions and millions of supporters. >> so now that you have those seats at the table, beyond winning the presidency, which, of course, is senator sander's goal, what easy does senator sanders want? >> in addition, we want as progressive a platform as possible for the democratic party going forward. so that the message that senator sanders has articulated during this campaign which has resonated with so many people, young people, with independents, with working-class people, that that becomes the position of the democratic party. we also want to ensure that in the future, for future contests, we open up the nominating process with more open primaries. with more same-day registration and other changes that will make it more likely that more people will participate. that's what we want. we want to open up the democratic party for new people, new blood, new ideas, new energy, and create a much bigger and more successful party.
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>> secretary clinton is now 82 delegates shy of the democratic magic number of 2,383. it looks like she's going to be able to get there. i know that senator sanders has been saying that he believes that he might still be able to get more pledged delegates, but when you look at that 82 number, what do you think his chances are? >> well, the problem with the 82 number, alisyn that includes super dell guilt. super delegates haven't voted yet. they don't vote until the convention. essentially you're making an extrapolation based on a poll of super dell guilt. just like taking a poll in california today and said x number will vote for this candidate or that candidate and assign delegates on your chart. no different intellectually. we'll see how they vote when we get to the convention. >> interesting, they are polled frequently. it wasn't that they made a decision ten months ago and have to stick by it. their polled -- their temperature is taken regularly
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and it doesn't seem -- you're flipping? >> so do people in california. polls taken. quite a few taken in california. believe me. up-to-date information. cnn doesn't use those polls to put up projections of pledged however they seem comfortable doing it with super delegates. >> are you suggesting that california is going to go for bernie? >> he's working very hard out there. i think we're fighting to win in california, no doubt about it. >> even when you take out the super delegates, i don't know if we have a graphic of this, but she's still far ahead in the pledged delegates. i mean, she's at, i believe, 1,776. he's at 1,491. you're saying he's going to close that gap? >> absolutely the gap could be closed. 475 delegates are in california alone. a number of other states that are coming up, the district of columbia, puerto rico, the virgin islands. a lot of delegates out there still, alisyn, and the senator is fighting for every single one of them, and he is going to
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close the gap substantially on the secretary. >> okay. if he closes the gap. take mu through the scenario. closes the gap, i don't are scenario, optimistic scenario and he gets more pledges. then what happens? >> we go to the convention and make the case. even if he doesn't surpass the secretary, but substantially closes the margin, all of the polling is consistent now. bernie sanders is a much stronger candidate against donald trump than is secretary clinton. that's at this point almost unrefuted in terms of credible polling. >> the polls say that, sure. even if he doesn't surpass her, then at the convention, still a fight? if she's won super delegates and pledged delegates? >> i wouldn't describe it as a fight. there are super delegatdelegate. they are part of the process. their job is to make an independent assessment which candidate can best take on the republicans in the fall. that's their role in the current, under the current rules. like i said, we can debate
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whether those rules should are changed, there's room nor the ru -- for the rules to be changed. the secretary is not going to get the votes by the time we get to the convention. she will not have 2,383 pledged delegates nor will senator sanders. it's up to the super delegates to make a decision who is best able to take on donald trump and the republicans in the fall. >> we'll watch every day. thanks for being on. >> glad to be here. new questions surfaces about what may have caused egyptair flight 804 to crash. forensic officials examining human remains as clues at the underwater search for the black boxes ramps up. cnn's nic robertson is live in egypt with the breaking details. nic? >> reporter: yeah, chris. what we have from officials at the morgue is they've now received 15 bags, they say, containing human remains. they describe these pieces as
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all being small. they're trying to put them together. they're also -- they also have the families of the victims right now providing dna samples for identification of all of the people onboard the aircraft to figure out precisely who they have recovered so far. it is a different process. when asked this question, has this provided any information about what brought this plane down? and official at the morgue said it is too soon to say whether an explosion brought down the plane. that's what officials at the morgue are saying from what they're table to examine at the moment. we know that pressure is on out at sea to recover the black boxes, to locate the black boxes, even. the recovery effort of debris and human remains continues, but most important for the investigation will be getting to those black boxes, and on site out there is a french ship that has a, an acoustic detector which should be able to pick up the pings emitted from the
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transmitter that are on the black boxes that help locate the black boxes on the seafloor and we're beginning to get more details about how deep the sea is out there, about 3,000 meters. that's what we're beginning to learn right now. alisyn? >> we certainly hope they can detect those, that pinging soon. nic, thank you for the update. long lines at the nation's airports leading to a shake-up at the tsa. the agency's top security chief, kelly hoggan removed from his position. he faced blistering crist simple as a congressional hearing last month. lawmakers questioning a $90,000 bonus received even though security checkpoint lines at airports were getting longer on his watch. bill cosby heads back to court in hours for a key hearing in a criminal sexual assault case involving a former temple university employee. a case attorneys for the comedian desperately tried to have thrown out. this morning he could be face to face with his accuser.
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live outside the courthouse in norristown, pennsylvania. >> reporter: good morning, chris. there are cases around the country now against bill cosby, but this one is different, because those cases are civil, and the resolution can be money, paid out to accusers. but this is a criminal court, and if found guilty, bill cosby faces prison. now, this is a really important hearing today, because it is a preliminary hearing. it binds the case over for a trial or not. and bill cosby is required to attend, according to pennsylvania law and the most important piece of evidence is going to be the statement in 2005 of the accuser, andrea constand, she told police back then in january or february of 2004, when she was director of operations at the women's basketball team at temple university, bill cosby was her mentor, and he invited her to his home to talk about her career, when she got there, she said she told him she couldn't sleep at night, was restless. he went upstairs, came down.
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she says he brought two blue pills with him. told her to drink wine. take the pills. they would relax her. at that point she said she became wobbling and, you know, controllable. she said she knew what was happening but couldn't stop bill cosby, when she says he then sexually assaulted her. second piece of evidence today important, bill cosby's statement to police from 2005. he says that any contact between he and andrea constand was consensual and finally the new evidence should be brought in today. that 2005 deposition in the civil case which bill cosby admits having seven prescriptions for quaaludes for women he wanted to have sex with. and alisyn, the big question is, will andrea constand be here? we've never seen her before. we've seen pictures of her, but will she be here to testify and confront bill cosby? alisyn? >> we'll be watching that case closely as well. thank you for the update. well, veterans affairs sent bob mcdonald taking heat after comparing wait times at va
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hospitals to wait times at disney theme parks saying the amount of time you wait is not what's most important. one veterans group points out "people don't die waiting to go on space mountain." a recent government report found more than half of new veterans could not access care because vmplt a staff failed to properly schedule appointments. >> i don't know what the point of that statement is, there is absolutely no question that delays in treatment and appointments had adverse effects on veterans' health. i don't know why the va and the government keeps doing this, that instead of saying, here's what we've done to fix the problems are as you say, we're going through it. they defend the status quo, and it, woulds against them and against the veterans every damn time. >> and you know, analogies like that just scream lack of sensitivity, which is not what all the veterans want and need. >> they do what all institutions do. whether treating veterans or prisoners. they protect themselves when they are attacked instead of thinking about what they're real
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donald trump and hillary clinton locked in a dead heat in two new national polls. perhaps the most critical question now facing republicans is whether trump can get the party's most conservative members behind him and unite the gop. how is he doing? seems like he's making some headway. let's discuss what we've seen recently with ohio congressman jim jordan. chairman of the house freedom caucus and member of the house judiciary committee. the second committee maybe even more important today, congressman, because of what's going on with the irs head i want to talk to you about, the case for impeachment. first a little politics in play. where is your head right now? are you more against clinton or for trump?
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>> i think it's both. i think donald trump is starting to unify the party which is exactly what we have to do. i've said all along i'm nor the nominee, for mr. trump, but we also have to remember when you compare mr. trump's positions with secretary clinton's, there's a big difference. we saw it last week on the second amendment. mr. trump at the nra, big difference on the second amendment and the life issue between mr. trump and secretary clinton. the most telling, when you think about secretary clinton, her record on libya and what she told the american people after four americans gave their life serving their country, the false information, the false narrative she told the american people where we learned last fall she said one thing to her family, one thing to the egyptian prime minister, but yet told the taxpayers and citizens and probably more importantly the families of those individuals who died for our country that night a completely different story, and that right there, i think should disqualify her from being commander in chief. >> congressman, why do you refuse to accept what came out
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the intelligence committee about the different stories being a difference of different intelligence delivered at different times? >> the ill intelligence may have changed but her story did. at the night of the attack, some this vicious behavior inflammatory material on the internet. highlighting the official statement of our government. less than an hour later tells her daughter that terrorists killed two of our people that night and the next day tells the egyptian prime minister we know. not we think. we know -- let me finish. the next day the egyptian prime minister, she said we know the video had nothing to can do with it. a planned attack not a protest. privately her story didn't change, you're right. publicly didn't change either but a completely different message, and when she said to the families of the people who gave they're life we're going to get the guy who made this video attributing the motive to a video-inspired process, completely wrong. i've seen the evidence firsthand
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serving on the benghazi committee. that is so wrong and such a contrast, when you think about this election and why we're supporting mr. trump. >> important point to make, although, again, it seems as though you're saying you're supporting trump because of what you feel about hillary clinton. and that's fine. you should be behind your party's nominee. i get it. >> always two people running for office are and the choice is between two people. >> usually you endorse this person and say i'm for this person. >> i v. have you endorsed trump? i thought you set support him, haven't endorsed him? >> i've said all along i support the republican nominee, mr. trump, that's who he's up against, hillary clinton. that's the choice. i've said that all along. >> your official endorsement to keep the -- >> i've said forever. whoever wins this primary we should be for the republican. >> good. >> look at secretary clinton, the one on the other side. as simple at it gets. >> just want to keep it clear for the record. we keep a tally of those who endorse trump within the party
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to make case for his case and galvanizing the party. are you comfortable, you mentioned the second amendment, where donald trump is whether or not there's should be guns in schools? do you think you know his position? >> i don't know his position on that. what i know is that he got the endorsement from a pretty good organization last week. what i know is his record on the second amendment is stronger than hers. >> the endorsement of the nra is enough? >> what i care about is the second amendment. >> right. >> part of our bill of rights, part of our constitution what i care about. he's much better on that issue than she s. you're not giving concern about him going back and forth whether he's for gun-free zones, whether or not teachers or certain administrators in schools should have guns or not? he's gone back and forth. you're okay with that? >> chris, there's never a candidate i agree with entirely throughout their entire career. back to ronald reagan, my first
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election i participated in, 1994, before i agreed with just about everything. that's always the case. there is going to be some concerns, but the point is he is much stronger on issues acare about and helping this country back on the path it needs to get back on. >> make the case why the head of the irs should be impeached. >> two subpoenas, he allows documents to be destroyed. 422 backup tapes containing potentially 24,000 low lois lerner e-mails, he allows them to be destroyed with two subpoenas in place and knew about the problem with lerner's hard drive four months before he told congress and had ample time in between there where he actually testified in front of congress and told us, i will get you all of her e-mails, already knowing, already knowing that there was trouble with her hard drive and with her computer and waiting four months to tell us. any private citizen who's being audited by the irs and allows documents to be destroyed and
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then waits months to tell the -- they're in big trouble. somehow it's okay if it's john koskinen, okay if the guy brought in by the president to clean up the irs when he's not done that in any way, shape or form. >> mr. koskinen says he hasn't had time to prepare. we'll wait and see what happens on that hearing. one thing we know absolutely, while all of this is going on, that irs isn't looking into any dark money from either party right now. we're waiting for this to end so they can get back to their job are making sure money is clean in politics. congressman, as always, a pleasure. thank you for making the case on issues that matter. >> thank you. take care. alisyn? chris, important iraq news. the offensive to rhetake fallujh with the u.s. launches air strikes. an update and military perspective on how it's going, next.
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the iraqi prime minister is warning thousands of civilians to flee their homes as the push for recapture fallujah from isis intensifies. americans are involved in this fight from the sky. joining us to discuss is retired general wesley clark, former nato supreme allied commander and senior fellow at the center for international relations. general, thanks so much for being here. >> sure. >> why is fluallujah so criticay important? >> a big symbol. the second city to be taken back. key strategic location. you know, we lost 100 americans fighting for fallujah in 2004. it's a sunni city. and the forces going against it are mostly shia. the iraqi military and the iraqi militias are mostly shia. a few sunni fighters in there, and this is going to be a big test for the government. can it keep its force together, and how does it handle the
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challenges in fallujah? because fallujah the only got about 60,000 civilians left. it was a town of about 300,000. mosul is the big prize. we've been talking about taking mosul for months and months and months. it's three times the size. probably has still several thousands of ams there. this is a warm-up. >> a warm-up. okay. it sounds like it could be a catastrophe waiting to happen when you talk about the civilians. the military dropped leaflets warning civilians to flee. easier said than done. isis is not letting them leave. so now what? >> i mean, they're going to have to pick their way through this. the first thing that you get in trouble with, is the use of heavy fire. when you fire mortars and artillery and drop bombs, the air force is indiscriminate. you send in the ground troops
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and they have to pick they're way through this. isis uses civilians as human fields. it's likely to happen again. >> they are outnumbering the isis fighters by a lot. >> it's numbers, fire power. it should be intelligence, but this fight will be an urban fight. so there will be improvised explosive devices, mines, grenades, boobytraps, all kinds of problems, and what the isis fighters would like to do is cause casualties. delay, demoralize the iraqi forces. they'll be suicide bombers employed by the isis fighters. that's their tactic. >> so what's the u.s. role in all this? >> encouraging them behind the scenes, doing training for the iraqi military. of course, we provided some equipment there, as of now, there are no u.s. combat advisers going forward. we can provide air support. but ultimately, this is a fight the iraqis have to win themselves on the ground with their forces, and they've got to
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do this to be able to move on to mosul. >> i want to ask about what happened with the taliban over the weekend. the u.s. took out a taliban leader way drone strike. >> that's right. >> over pakistan. pakistan is not happy about this and have expressed their displeasure to the u.s. how does this work? >> we've had this -- it's a game with pakistan. we know that the taliban get their support from the pakistani intelligence. pakistani intelligence with help from the united states back in the 1980s created the jihadis to fight the soviets, and after we left in 1990, pakistanis maintained their relationship. they like to have the idea afghanistan is their strategic depth against possible attack from india. so we've never been able to really confront this directly. what that drone strike shows is that president obama's patience is running out. you can't succeed in afghanistan if there's a sanctuary for the
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taliban across the border in pakistan. we've known it for years. we've lost several thousand troops in there who spent billions of dollars, we've never actually been able to grip this issue, and i'm glad it looks like we're starting to. >> let's talk about a battle of a different kind, and that is a political battle waged back here at home. your a hillary clinton supporter, of course. are you comfortable with, at the moment it seems like both campaigns, donald trump and hillary clinton, are going back in time to dredge up sort of old comments and controversies. is that how this is going to -- is that a valuable fight? >> well, look, the problem is that no one really knows what donald trump stands for. i mean, he's made very clear he'll say anything to get publicity and to get elected and no one knows what it means. when i travel around the world people ask me what does he mean? is he going to keep all muslims out? i go to people in the middle east. no, no.
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people told us he didn't really mean it. >> what do you say? >> i say it's a very dangerous thing for a president of the united states not to stand for anything, because people all over the world, they rely on america for consistency. they want us to be a reliable partner. they don't want us to be a bargainer. they don't want us to come in and say, okay. how about this for an idea? and argue back and forth about. it i was in eastern europe two weeks and, of course, people in eastern europe are quite afraid. mr. trump indicated he'll go make a deal with putin and they call it yalta 2. when voes vet and churchill mistakenly gave away areas to stalin. even nato members are concerned under a trump presidency things might fall apart. hillary clinton is known for her reliability. people around the world know
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what she stands for, and one thing to remember, and this is hard for the american people to understand, perhaps, but when you're president of the united states, you don't have that much control over the economy. you actually can't create jobs. you can have ideas and stuff, but unless you're just expanding government, you're not creating jobs. >> they say that you're creating an environment that is job-friendly. >> i know, but the big thing the president of the united states does is foreign policy. he has real control over -- or she has, real control over foreign policy. that's something the american people have to look at. forget about all the dirty stuff in the past, because this is really about picking a president to take america forward, and we need someone, our allies are asking us, our friends, even our adversaries are asking to just -- tell us what you stand for and be reliable. >> general wesley clark, thanks so much. always great to have your perspective on all of this. thanks for being here. to chris. different story. very important. so far prosecutors in
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baltimore's freddie gray case are 0 for 2. will any police officers be 4e8d criminally responsible for freddie gray's death. next the lawyer for freddie gray's family has surprising reaction for yesterday's not guilty verdict. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.
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counselor, good to see you. somewhat of a surprising reaction from you, mr. murphy, in the wake of this verdict. you said that you applauded judge williams saying he did not bend to that pressure to convict the officer as an emotional response to gray's death. now, as counselor for the victim's family ordinarily hearing that an officer wasn't convicted would be upsetting, but here you respect the rule of law as conveyed by this judge. true? >> i think the whole point is my reaction was to convey to the public that at this critical time, and for good and sound and decent reasons, we have to respect judge williams' opinion, because it was the result of an obviously fair process. both sides gave full vent to the evidence in the case, and they theft to judge williams' sound judgment. and he delivered a well-reasoned
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opinion. now that doesn't mean that i agree with it and i'm not in a position to either agree or disagree because i, like 99% of the public, did not hear all of the evidence in the case, but it was the process that i was concerned about, and that the freddie gray family is concerned about. >> so -- >> they have said all along, they are not wishing for either a guilty or not guilty verdict. they're looking for just is. because the process was fair, and because the judge has an excellent reputation for probity and being an aggressive  prosecutor for many years being appointed of police misconduct cases for the federal government. that gives us confidence that our designated representative of the community, judge barry williams did a credible job. that's all we wanted out of the process. >> well, but you know that there's criticism, right? that these officers being charged, they're being homicide
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charges in this situation, were charges that exceeded the understanding of the facts, and that this prosecutor had overreached, and that that was a perversion of the process to give more weight to the racial issues involved than the legal issues involved. what do you think of that assertion? >> well, the nero case was unexpectedly complex, because of a decision that the judge made about immunity and the prosecutors decision to go after one of the officers to make him testify. and there were a host of other very nuanced legal issues that could have been decided in many different ways. and so both sides, even though both sides were completely prepared it is a factor in trial work that you're nerve are going to be 100% certain how things are going to turn out, because the unknown plays a substantial factor in the resolution of any case. so both sides went in with a
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good faith belief that they would prevail, and because of a lot of the complex issues in the case, one side won and the other side lost and it wasn't as predicted. >> right, but i'm saying to you -- >> again, we can't put our finger on the scale of justice here by advocating a result different than the one which happened. >> no. i understand, counsel. what i'm asking about -- >> a superior position to see t. i'm asking about prosecutor mosby's charges. do you feel there is credibility to the claim there was an overreach on homicide charges in this situation? >> no, no. because there are five cases left to go. let's see what the overarching pattern is, because the conversation may be entirely different if she gets five convictions from this point out. >> right. but -- again, of course, you have to watch how they all go. that's about the fairness of the process, but i'm saying, that when you look at the circumstances and facts of this case, you say, what freddie gray
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family wanted was justice. they wanted fairness under law. and from what you know of the situation, which is more than most, do you think the prosecution either, you know, overreached or that now they need to change their approach in order to get verdicts that are convictions which is supposed to be the bar under which they charge in the first place. they charge because they think they can win a conviction. >> well, each one of these cases is differ. and we can't draw any conclusion about overreaching just on one case out of the six. >> two, really. right? two. two cases. >> well, no. the first case -- >> was a mistrial. >> take a close look at that first -- here's the problem with the press' view of the first case. the press has this habit, i'm not blaming you for this. >> good. >> the press has a habit of concentrating on what they think is the most important charge. well, i've always thought and many commentators agree that the
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most important charge was the dereliction of duty charge. the failure to take adequate action in response to the death. >> right. >> and on that count, the officer who had a hung jury, porter, was within two votes of being convicted. according to the juror who came forward, the vote was 10-2 on misconducts. and misconduct is punishable by life imprisonment. so if i was porter's lawyer i'd be very, very concerned that the prosecution was a hair's breath away from getting unanimous jury in that case. so -- it's not as simple as that. >> no. i totally understand, counselor. we've known each other a long time. i have a lot of respect for your opinions, you know that. dereliction of duty is a big deal. takes were 12, haven't gotten 12. to see how the process unfolds. you're right. we have to watch the process and give equal attention to every case and after each of these
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outcomes i'll come back to you your poor spur spective as always. thank you for being with us. >> thank very much, very much, back to politics. just how nasty a trump/clinton general match up could get. perspective from the clinton campaign, next. mobility is very important to me. that's why i use e*trade mobile. it's on all my mobile devices, so it suits my mobile lifestyle. and it keeps my investments fully mobile... even when i'm on the move. sign up at etrade.com and get up to six hundred dollars.
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the general election campaign has yet to begin, but already, things are getting ugly between donald trump and hillary clinton. trump tweeting moments ago, crooked hillary clinton over regulates, overtaxes and does not care about jobs. most importantly, she suffers from plain old bad judgment. let's bring from brian fallon. i see you smiling. you can't enjoy this. >> that's a mild tweet for donald trump. that's nothing. i mean, if you look at the ta tactics, even bill o'reilly called him out for some of the personal style attacks he has been launching against hillary and bill clinton. i think the reason he is doing it, his own record is coming under scrutiny. in just the last few days, we've learned two things. number one, in two of the years we've seen some of his records in terms of the taxes he paid, he paid zero tdollars in taxes.
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in 2006, 2007, he was rooting for the housing bubble to burst. these two things together tell you that when he goes out there and tries to position himself as a champion of working class americans, he is conning them. he doesn't care about average people. >> i see what you're doing, brian, and i have seen this with others on the campaign. and i know that you all think it's effective, and it may be. any time something comes up about the past or bill clinton's past sexual history, you pivot over to donald trump's taxes or donald trump on the economy. i'm just wondering if you could just share the conversations that are happening inside campaign headquarters over at clinton campaign. are you ever planning to respond to what he is, all of this stuff, since he is not backing down, he continues day after day to talk about and dredge up the accusations of sexual assault. are you planning to address those? >> well, he has telegraphed his
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move for the last several months. we're clear about the fact that he is going to be refreshing these allegations from now until november. these are old allegations that were litigated decades ago, and i just don't think they're going to work, even republicans are advising him against this. rick wilson, who is a republican consultant, who is no fan of hillary clinton, has said that on behalf of a client he was working for earlier this cycle, they tested these lines of attack, and found they alienated independent voters, including women. as i mentioned, bill o'reilly is suggesting don't go down this road. if he wants to keep talking about these old allegations, it will deprive him of the opportunity to make the gains he needs to with critical voting blocks, including female voters, who he is doing so poorly with. >> you don't have any plans to return in kind attacks, you know, obviously he's well has had dubious past at times with women, but you guys are not going to go there? >> we're not interested in
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waging this campaign in the gutter. the issues are too important to ignore. competing approaches, who can do most to improve the economy. hillary clinton has real plans to lift wages. donald trump is going around pretendsing he cares about working class americans, when his record shows the opposite. >> both donald trump and hillary clinton have historically unfavorably high percentages, as well as the abc news poll. why do you think that is? >> i think people are equating their numbers, and i don't think they're the same. number one, his are worst. >> his are at 60 and 58%. they're in the 50s for both of them. >> well, in terms of -- i'm not going to argue the numbers. if you look at the nbc poll, on net, his are about nine or ten points worst. our larger point, i don't think they're the same. number one, the reason he has such high negatives is because of things that have come out of his own mouth. he has gone around insulting
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huge groups of americans. he has earned them the hard way. for hillary clinton's part, she has been the subject of an unprecedented level of attacks. i would rather be in -- hillary clinton stories are false. >> so you think it is just the attacks that are having that, nothing she is doing, her style, it is just the attacks, she is is taking incoming. >> if you go on the fave and unfave numbers, and the attributes measured, hillary clinton has huge advantages in terms of what factors in voters minds. who represents the middle class, who has the temperament to be president. who do you trust to be commander in chief. she has huge advantages on all these attributes, so i think that tells you that even as people are paying attention to this, below the surface, people
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view donald trump as objectively unqualified to be president. >> bernie sanders was just on another morning show in a taped interview in which he repeated his prediction that the democratic convention will be messy. let me play that for you. >> authtarian country, people decent. the context of that was that the democracy is messy. that people will have vigorous debate on the issues. >> will the convention be messy? >> well, of course it will be, but everything, that's what democracy is about. >> he says of course it will be messy. do you think the democratic convention will be messy? >> that's a long time between now and the convention. in that time, the party will come together and unite. you've seen how quickly it happened on the republican side. think of all the issues they've had over the last several months. so given the relative lack of differences on policy that we have compared to the republicans, i think that this process will be a lot less messy
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than a lot of people are suggesting. if you looked just yesterday, we had a huge step in the right direction in terms of the set-up of the flat fplatform, the offi approximation of the democratic party. a third of the seats went to sanders supporters. that's a d he significance that we supported, because we want to have a diversity view. >> brian fallon, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> thanks for having me. we're following a lot of news, including we're going to speak to donald trump's campaign manager. so let's get right to it. donald trump is a disaster waiting to happen. you learn very little from a tax return. he could bankrupt america like he has bankrupted his companies. we believe in an old-fashioned concept called democracy. bill cosby and his accuser could come face-to-face this morning. if found guilty, bill cosby
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faces prison. >> mr. cosby deserves a fair trial, but so does andrea consta constand. fuallujah from isis. >> opposition to the iraqi government grows. >> inside the war in iraq. >>announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. welcome, it is tuesday, may 24, 8:00 in the east. attacks escalating between hillary clinton and donald trump. on one side, you've got a new ad from clinton, targeting trump as agreedy developer, and there is a new instagram, spotlighting bill clinton's allegations. taking heat from bernie sanders, who is committed to fight through the final super tuesday contest in two weeks. he is warning the july convention could be quote, messy, if the party does not adopt a more progressive platform. we have the 2016 race covered
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the way only cnn can. let's begin be phil mattingly. for donald trump and hillary clinton's campaigns, this is a critical moment. this is the time where you essentially define your opponent, or at least try to. that's why we're seeing the attacks, coming fast and heavy. they're relying heavily on the past. we are going to unify the democratic party and stop donald trump. >> this morning, hillary clinton taking a new line of attack against donald trump. her campaign painting trump as a greedy billionaire in a new ad. >> i hope that happens, because people like me would go in and buy. >> hearkening back to controversial comments before the 2008 housing market collapse. >> if there a bubble burst as they call it, you know, you could make a lot of money. >> clinton, swiping at the nominee on multiple fronts before a union crowd monday, issuing a warning about trump's
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four bankruptcies surrounding his casino holings. >> he could bankrupt marng like he has his companies. >> sticking with another tried and true assault, trump's temperament. >> the last thing we need is a bully in the pulpit. >> all, as the billionaire continues to hound bill clinton's past infidelity, sending one of his top advisors to swipe at hillary clinton. >> she over regulates, overtaxes, overpromises and doesn't deliver. >> the hostility, spreading, with both candidates facing record high negatives in the most recent polls. but trump is getting new support from capitol hill. the form of tennessee senator, bob corker. >> his approach to foreign policy, that's something i want to hear more about it. i heard more about it today, and i appreciated that. >> though corker is down-playing talk that he may be high on trump's vp list. >> i'm not anningling for any
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job. i think the best position is not to angle for it. i have no indication whatsoever that i would even be considered. >> so the intrigue of who will be donald trump's running mate, that's going to continue likely until july at the republican national convention, but it is really important to notoriety n -- note right now, chris, out west today, the attacks expected to continue. look back to 2012 to recognize how important defining your opponent s that's why president obama is likely still in the white house. chris. >> all right, phil, appreciate the reporting. let's discuss these goings on in the campaign with michael cohen, executive vice-president of the trump organization, special counsel to donald trump. counselor, as always, pleasure. i want to deal with a bit of business i know matters to the organization first. the money for the vets, okay, everybody remembers the history, donald trump skipped the debates, instead i'm going to run money for the vets, $6 million. since then, we've been asking
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questions. he has put out tweets about it today. whichever one they put up first, i'll read first. i want to put up the one first about how he blames me for this. blames the media for what's going on the with the vet money. put up the tweets from this morning, if we can. well, whatever. he's been saying under no obligation to do, so i've raised between 5 and $6 million, including $1 million from me for our veterans. nice. much of the money i've raised for the veterans has been distributed to go shortly to over veteran groups, despite all the money i've raised for veterans, i get nothing but bad publici publicity. >> how sad is that. donald trump, who goes ahead and raises, whether it is four, five, $6 million, whatever the number is, a guy who has clearly shown himself who is interested and cares very deeply for our american veterans, going back when he saved the veteran's day
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parade. he cares deeply about veterans, cares deeply about people who have put their lives on the line. right now it is four or five million. whatever the exact number may be. that's a lot of money for one person to raise, which he did, as a result of electing to skip a debate that he knew was going toen unfair to him. so if he blame the the liberal media, he is justified. >> but he is not justified, and here is why, okay. forget about the tax returns and charitable donations. >> we'll get into that. >> that's a separate issue, okay. he said $6 million. now he says between five and six. the campaign said we're not sure, their numbers, we didn't play with the numbers. all we've asked for is where is the money. that's it. no disparaging. no -- >> and he -- whatever money has come in as a result of mr. trump's request to people for the donations for the veterans, he has distributed.
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>> that's not what the campaign says. the campaign says we're getting it out. it's sloppy because some people pledged but didn't come through with the money. >> assaye i said, this isn't li clinton foundation, where they take the money in and they don't pay it out, like whatever happened to the $100 million that was supposed to go to the haitian hospital that was never built. this is whatever money came in, donald trump has distributed to worthy causes. and by the way, there is also a process where you have to vet these causes to make sure that they're legitimate. >> that's fine. but what i'm saying don't blame us for this. we've been asking the question. you're not doing it, but this is trump and you speak for him. >> i do blame you. >> i know, but you're wrong to blame me. i ask you where is the money. who did you give it to. you can't tell me. that's my fought? >> we do tell you, but it's not enough. that's the problem. they want more. >> no, no, no. >> there is always more. >> nobody wants more. it is how much did you take in. how much did you give out and to
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whom. these are simple questions. simple. this isn't unfair reporting. >> it is. >> he is not a victim. >> he is the victim. because what -- you're right. he is never a victim, right. he went ahead and raised millions of dollars for veterans and veteran causes, but unfortunately, people have not sent in their pledges yet. maybe it has to do with their taxes, will are the. >> whatever it is. whatever it is. you said you raised the money, and i ask where it is and you blame me. come on. >> all i'm saying is asking these questions, this is not unfair. the fact that you gave money in the past doesn't make this -- it is not irrelevant. >> they're tacking him on a cause that he has done something great and they're trying to diminish it. >> but prove what you did. that's all. you said it was a certain amount of money. now you say it's less. you said you gave it out. you can't show you gave it out. that's not on us. that's on you. >> that's not true. i know that the media has gone out and they have actually called many of the various
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entities that we've sent checks to. >> right. >> they've confirmed that the money has been received. >> half the money we couldn't account for. that's why we're asking the question. listen, all we want is for the money to be distributed. this is not a gotcha game. i don't understand why he is playing the victim. he said he is going to make sure it is going out to various veterans groups. by the way, iavi, noted media, who was most upset about it. let's put this to the side. bill clinton, why go after bill clinton, isn't that bad for donald trump? >> why? why is it bad for mr. trump? what he is doing is he is exposing, not just bill clinton for what he was and what he had done, but it's the same as it relates to hillary. she attacked mr. trump as being a sexist, misogynist, and he is not any of those things. they're trying to portray him as
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such so they can turn the women against mr. trump, when in fact, the women seem to be turning against hillary clinton for being the enabler in chief. >> if you are not a sexist, what you usually say is i'm not a sexist, here are the things that prove that i'm not, the beautiful women in my life. >> which mr. trump has done many times. >> i call you a sexist, oi call you a sexist. >> they're deflecting. she is the enabler in chief and he happens to be the sexist. so instead, she needs to win the women's vote. that's what she needs. she is not going to win the men's vote. she needs to go after the women's vote. she is not going to be able to do that if donald trump is not portrayed by the clinton campaign as a sexist. so she is deflecting -- >> his numbers were not good before she said anything like that. >> his numbers are good. they're getting better each and everyday across the board. >> which ones? >> with women, hispanics,
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muslims. >> here are my two reasons i think it is bad for him. one, hypocrite, two, glass houses. he defended bill clinton for years. he said the same allegations that you guys are talking about now, were a waste of time, were wrong, were hallow, that bill clinton was a terrific guy. that he was a great president. that the impeachment was wrong, that it was a baes waste of tim >> and hillary clinton said donald trump was one of the smartest businessmen in the united states. now she is is tacking him on these ads. >> so she is bad, too. isn't he bad for going after him? >> all he is doing is giving the facts. >> no, no, no. he knew the facts then in the '90s when this was happening. >> he was a private citizen who was friendly with the clintons, and he was trying to protect a friend, all right. now, it's a different game. it's 2016, he is the presidential -- >> michael. >> if you decide to run for
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office and people say you knew cuomo, you used to say -- now i'm running against him, he is a bum, that makes it okay. >> absolutely. >> come on. michael, please. >> if i was telling the truth -- >> so he was lying, then? >> he was not lying. he was protecting a friend. >> what's the difficult arense? >> he was being a true friend. it didn't matter to him. >> he would be friends with a guy that he thought was a piece of crap basically. >> his relationship with his wife is between the two of them. now it's different. they're tacking mr. trump on a daily basis. hundreds of millions of dollars spent in attack ads, i see cnn and others talking about the ads going against one another. mr. trump spent $250 on his ad and no expense in terms of getting it out and she probably spent millions. >> what it's worth, why is he
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going after stuff that -- he called paula jones a loser. >> do you know what the difference is? the ad that he put out against the clintons is legitimate. the one she put out against him is inaccurate. >> he says it llegitimate. he said linda tripp was a lying loser. the per s . >> we're not going to talk about 1990 when he was defending bill clinton because it didn't matter. >> why would i trust you if you say all the things you said then were false? >> he was a private individual -- >> so you tell the truth when you're politician about lie when you're private individual. >> he had no obligation to say anything to anybody. >> he said plenty. >> so what? he is donald trump. >> that's the record of what you believe. >> no, no, no. it was -- he was standing up for a man who he considered to be a friend at the time. >> so he was saying things that he knew was untrue at the time? >> no. >> did he believe them to be true at the time. >> i don't think he knew the answer. he was standing up for a friend.
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>> he called paula jones, linda tripp, the personification of evil. paula jones is a loser and may be responsible for bringing down the president indirectly. did he know it or did not know it? >> you'll have to ask him that question. >> mike -- michael, that's a nice -- very well done on that. that's what i'm saying, the hip p hypocrite part, you're bringing all the same attacks, it's different, i'm running for office. that sounds like a hypocrite. >> the first time i came on the show, donald trump is a counter puncher. had she not turned around and brought out the issue where she is referring to him as a sexist and misogynist, the ad would have never come out. what will be worst, shehere is
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little hint for them. donald trump is this uber billionaire real estate developer, possibly the greatest negotiator in the history of this planet. he'll never come out with his first offer, right, in real estate right off the bat. mean fg she thinks this is bad, right, this is nothing. he is not coming out with his strong, right, from day number one. >> how far can he go? >> how far? you're going back to 1970s, 1980s, 1990s you guys feel it is okay to go back as far as you want in order to take a snip pit, whereas -- >> 25 years ago, when he first -- he pretended to be a pr guy on tape. >> that's your opinion. >> you're saying it wasn't him on the tape still? he admitted it in the past. >> i'm not so sure he admitted anything. >> you're lawyer and very good one. not everyone wants to litigate these things. another problem, hypocrite, glass houses. back then, when he was defending
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clinton, kind of a joke, but kind of wasn't. you know what his real problem, he answered the questions. he should have refused. he shouldn't have been honest with the american people. >> what's the joke aboutle the allegations. >> he made fun about the women. i'll tell you. >> ruined women's lives and then had his wife go after them. >> women that donald trump said were losers, were terrible, were liars, and were ugly. that's why this was an issue. much kennedy had marylyn monroe. people would have been more for giving if he had an affair with someone like that. >> you know mr. trump, and he has a sense of humor, whether you like the humor or not. he was making a statement that was -- because marylin was a beautiful woman. >> we're starting to vet in real okay, both sides. >> chris, you have -- you have
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two candidates right now. actually, you really only have one. republican pro sumtiv -- presumptive nominee. it's interesting hillary has taken the position that she is the presumptive nominee for the democratic party. she has been taken to task by bernie sanders. >> that's an issue. >> wait until donald trump comes in. >> assuming -- like how much dirt can you go with? >> so much, every year of the -- >> why do you want the election to be about that? isn't it about making america great or the worst election ever? >> how is it making america great. >> file gate, china gate, let's talk about the clinton foundation. you and i should go into businesses buying gates. >> what am i supposed to do, go through donald's scalp surgery, it made him crazy and physically
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abusive. are we supposed to do mob stories, what the castelenoa have been saying. >> what is that? >> i've been hearing those stories about what kind of concrete he bought. >> the same concrete that the city of new york bought. >> did he pay for the same price. >> because the city of new york -- >> who did he hang out with. >> he bought the concrete from the same people, because it was the city that gave the license to only a handful of people to sell concrete. >> you know that as -- >> one of them shut down as the mob. >> of course, because you had this young turk out there making great moves, he was this young billionaire. >> with the mob? >> nothing to do with the mob. you know, if you go ahead and have waste going backpre pre-gu >> is that what you want this election to be about?
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there are plenty of stories with as much behind them. >> not even close. not even close. in order to make the country great again, women, hispanics, african-americans, whites, everybody wants the same thing. we want fix the economy. >> yes. >> you cannot exist with a $19 trillion debt. >> the only thing -- >> let him speak about it. >> you just put out this video about this. >> it's in response to an inaccurate video put out by the clinton campaign that they spent millions of dollars on. >> he could respond any way he wants. shake my hand. >> always. >> you and i are going at it on the commercial. i love having you on here. you deal with the issues at hand. >> you lose that argument too. >> i do. i lose most of them. you're smarter than i am. michael cohen, thank you for being on "new day" as always. i went out for breakfast, but i'm back. warning the convention could be messy if they do promote a
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progressive platform. what will it keep to sanders happy. a take on that, as well as what you just saw from david axelrod, next.
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i hope you didn't miss what happened moments ago. >> you said you went for breakfast. >> i did. we spoke with the special counsel to donald trump, and he strongly tried to defend trump's attacks on bill clinton's past and vowed this is just the beginning. here to discuss this and so much more, cnn political commentator, david axelrod. hi, david. >> hey, alisyn, i'm exhausted i don't know if i can go on here. >> i mean, it was a rowdy, raucous interview that chris just had, and there are lots of things to dive in, but one, basically cohen said you haven't seen anything yet. the attacks they've unleashed on hillary clinton and bill clinton's past, nothing yet. what do you think? >> i don't think that's shocking. i mean, we've seen donald trump
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throughout the course of the campaign, and he has no reverse in his gear shift. he is just straight ahead, right at you. and i expect to see more of it. the question is, does -- do all these attacks on bill clinton hurt hillary or not. >> what's the answer? >> i think there is an element, we've heard all of this stuff for 20 years. if they can make the connection to hillary, you know, they're trying to make the enabler argument, but the bill clinton stuff is so luminescent, and people may look at it and say come on, man, it's 2016, we know about all this stuff. we knew about it -- >> all right, michael cohen -- censorship. >> this is the point that we have to make on the other side of him. he is right? do you say, oh, i remember this? i remember this? what if you're 25. >> absolutely. that's the point. >> what if you're new voter. axe, you can't get away that easy.
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you don't get to just skip out and kill the feed. we remember it, but are they going for these largely independent younger voters, who did not live through it, where a lot of it is fresh tales? >> yeah, i don't know. maybe so. but i think a lot ofthese young kids are interested in, you know, climate change. they're interested in human rights. they're interested in a lot of things that have nothing to do with this. i think a lot of them may look at it and say, i don't know about this. you know, talk about the stuff that i care about. and i think that's, you know, i'm not sure if this is an appeal to young people, i think that they're way off track. i think what it is, an appeal to women, maybe older women, to try to knock some of those folks away from hillary, because right now, he is getting - there is a huge gender gap. >> i think he has a two headed beast doing this.
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one is the hypocrite. he was a friend of bill clinton in the '90s. i don't know how compelling that is. but there is the second one, i'm more concerned about as a journalist covering this. his stuff, books have been written, magazine articles, sexual assault allegations and suits that were then, you know, dismissed. >> one, right? we're talking about it was recan'ted. >> other allegations. one lawsuit where the lady recounted and he settled the contract suit. there is mob stuff. i'm not saying it is real, but if it is brought up, it becomes real, just like they're doing with the clintons. is that what this election going to be? >> it is a tough one, absolutely. to get mired, it is tough to figure out what thread you want to follow that's fair. >> yeah, look, i think the hypocrite thing is real. but you know, there are so many areas in which he has contradicted himself and gotten
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away with it so far. we'll see if that hurts him. but for sure, what we're looking at is a race like we've never seen before. there is going to be a lot of paint scraped off on the walls before we get to november. it will be a really wrenching, unpleasant affair. i think that's pretty clear. unfortunate. i think what you saw there is a preview of what we're going to see. when donald trump is attacked, he hits back. i think what the clintons have learned from the republican primary is if you let donald trump play on your side of the field the whole game, you're going to lose. so they're going to punch back at him. i think that's the reality of what we're facing here. we are not going to have an he elevated discussion. mr. cohen said we want to talk about debt. i don't think they really want to talk about debt, because the tax foundation said his tax plan added $10.5 trillion to the debt. >> just a suggestion. >> this is the race we're going to see. >> it was just a suggestion.
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it wasn't a plan. it was a suggestion. >> david, let's talk about bernie sanders. he continues to duke it out, obviously against hillary clinton in the primary. and he has predicted again this morning in a taped interview that the democratic convention will be messy. how do you interpret that? >> well, i think -- first of all, the question is what is bernie's intention? i mean, after the -- he also said in the same interview, i saw it, he said that he thought that he would finish ahead on pledged delegates or could finish ahead. i just saw a poll where he was well behind there. i don't know if that is an accurate poll, but clearly, he is not going finish way ahead to the point where he would be leading in pledged delegates. so you get to after california, you're behind in pledged delegates, you are behind in popular votes and delegates, so you're left with little argument. so then it becomes, what do you intend to do. are you going to go to the convention and have a scorched
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earth convention over a series of issues, a messy convention that hobbles the candidate or not, or are you going to turn your guns on donald trump. that's the choice that bernie sanders is going to have to make. >> david axelrod, great to talk to you. thanks so much. >> the axe. co >> cool off there, chris. >> i was fine. this is what this is about. one of the reasons i love having cohen on the show, he is completely authentic to the cause there, which is good. two, he knows how to make the case. that's what's going on here. it is not about the depth of conviction. that's what he said about trump. in the '90s, he was his friend and so was saying those things. now he is running for political office, you have to judge whether you like that explanation. the guy comes and is willing to make the case. i think that's the best thing we can offer. >> he is more than willing to mix it up with you. >> and we shake hands because i like him. we're making the case and i'm testing it. that's what we do. one of the things we didn't get
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to with cohen was what's going on with releasing his taxes. it is a big deal for hillary clinton. what does that really mean, though? we're going to ask a conservative radio host named glenn beck. you may know him. >> i've heard of him. >> what does he make of the taxes and what does he make of what we just heard from the trump campaign on the state of play and going forward? at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time. the microsoft cloud helped us to bring banking to ten million people in just two years. it's transforming our world.
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critical question facing republicans is whether donald trump can get the party's most conservative members behind him and unite the gop, as it takes an ugly turn. let's talk about with the founder of the blaze, glenn beck. good morning, glenn. >> good morning, how are you? >> i'm doing well. nice to see you. you had obviously supported ted cruz. you had campaigned for him on the campaign trail. you had called donald trump a pathological narcissistic sews yo path and i'm wondering where you're at today now that he is the gop presumptive nominee. >> i guess unlike some politicians, i say what i mean
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and mean what i say. so i'm not suddenly in love with donald trump, nor as a supporter of donald trump. >> so where does that leave you, glenn, and other conservatives? where does that leave you? obviously i don't want to speak for you. there is probably hillary clinton, and donald trump. so what does that mean for you in november? >> i don't know. i am a never hillary, never donald. i am not for progressive politician, and i also find it very difficult to stand behind somebody who doesn't hold the same principles. i can vote for somebody who doesn't necessarily have the same policies, but the same principles are really important to me. but i'm not endorsing anybody. ted cruz is the first person ever i've endorsed. my vote is my vote. and everybody else can make their own decision. they've done that already. so that's the great thing about america. >> well, you say that donald trump doesn't hold the same principles, you know, he says that he is a conservative and
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that he believes in conservative principles, and here are the people who have come around. former texas governor rick perry, bobby jindal, past opponents of his, senator or ren hatch, sheldon adelson, bob corker. the list goes on. what do they see that you don't? >> i don't know. you would have to ask them. here's what i see. i see a guy that i don't believe is a -- is trustworthy. i don't believe that he is humble. i don't believe that he actually -- be careful on this. i think at times, when he says things, i believe he actually believes what he is saying at the time. but he is, for in starnstance, e talking about his stance on guns, and he said, i'm quoting, i absolutely many not advocating
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for guns in the classroom, but cases where there should beguns in the classroom. well, which is it? i don't know. i think he believes both of those. but that again is for the individual to decide. i don't hold it against anybody who, especially the progressives, who believe in big government, who believe in an all serving state. i don't hold it against them for having a different point of view. i also don't hold it against anybody who just wants to win. >> how have you been surprised, glenn, have you been surprised by how quickly the republican party or even conservative leaders have seem to sort of coalesced or at least say they support donald trump now? >> i think if anybody said on any angle from any side that they weren't surprised by everything that they have seen in this election, i think they would be lying to you. i'm surprised daily. yesterday, we were just saying in a joking fashion, because the first thing, this is going to be a highly entertaining race, the
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first ad that comes out, he calls bill clinton a rapist, and we were joking on the air yesterday, how long before he gets to the list of the people that -- the clintons have killed. well, yesterday, he started with convince foste vince foster. i will tell you this. the secret behind donald trump, because i have been wrong about donald trump every step of the way. i just didn't think that this would work. i just didn't think people would take him seriously. i thought people would have a problem with some of the things that he said. but they haven't. and when you see that the bernie sanders people are now saying a quarter of them in some polls are saying that they will come over to donald trump, it's not about marxism, it is not about capitalism, it is not about policy, it is about destroying the system that has been lying to us on both sides for as long
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as i've lived. the parties are completely out of control. and completely out of touch. hillary clinton doesn't realize that the game has entirely changed. she is playing the old main line politician that will say whatever they have to say to get elected. donald trump, i think also says whatever he says to say to get elected, but in a completely different way. it is not about what he is saying, as much as it is how he is saying it. >> and just to be clear, vince foster committed suicide. there are conspiracy theories, i know you were using a shorthand there. >> i'm not -- we were joking about how long it -- we've talked about that list of i don't even know what it is, 40 people that they killed in a joking fashion. >> that's the conspiracy theory. glenn, should donald trump release his taxes? >> yeah, i think he should.
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but i don't think he will. but and it's not for anything nefarious. it is exactly the same thing that happened with his fund-raiser for the veterans. he said he raised $6 million. $2.5 million fund-raiser for veterans is great. somehow or another, i don't think he felt that that was big enough for donald trump, so he said that it was $6 million. then they strangely lied about it for months, until they released and said well we didn't raise the $6 million. it's only because he inflating numbers to make himself look bigger. and i think the same thing with taxes. it's not anything nefarious, i don't think, going on in his tax. it is all about he is not as rich that he wants everybody to believe he is. let's say he doesn't have $10 million. i don't know, he is still success fulfill with $250 million but not to him. >> glenn, great to get your perspective. thanks for being on "new day." >> you bet.
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we have exclusive cnn reporting to share with you now. the top u.s. commander leading the charge against isis, takes us inside the battle for iraq, just as iraqi soldiers major offensive to reclaim fallujah. barbara starr live. share it with us, barbara. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn, we traveled through iraq as he met with iraqi and u.s. commanders trying to get a sense of the security situation to see what else is needed in the war. right now, fallujah and baghdad, on the road to baghdad, the security of both cities, vital now. protesters invade baghdad's green zone for the second time.
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violent rising as opposition to the iraqi government grows. the top u.s. commander running the war against isis is watching carefully for the stress mounting on the iraqi military even now as it tries to recapture the key city of fallujah. >> they're having to make decisions in terms of where their forces are going, where the priorities are. >> reporter: but in baghdad, with the u.s. embassy and military headquarters inside the heavily fortified green zone, does the u.s. have enough security on hand. >> yes, i think we have the right security forces on the ground from a u.s. perspective to take care of ourselves there. >> reporter: cnn was the only network with general joseph otel, the u.s. commander in charge of the war in isis, as he traveled in iraq, getting the latest assessments on security, and the readiness of iraqi forces. this base, about one hour north of baghdad, one of the frontlines in the effort to train, advise and assist iraqi
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forces. but they have at least temporarily seen some iraqi forces being called back to baghdad for a few weeks to deal with the security situation there in the wake of the rising attacks by isis. votel is trying to convince iraqi's military to station enough troops around the country and not flood baghdad with security forces as they try to confront the latest violence in the capital. >> they are attempting to create chaos. they're attempting to difficult divert attention, where the iraqis are having success. >> reporter: this military warehouse just to the west in kuwait, brimming with more than 25,000 weapons for those iraq kae forces, all are being shipped out as more iraqis show up for u.s.-led training. even if fallujah and baghdad could be completely secured,
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there is still mosul that lies ahead, much of the efforts getting the iraqis ready to retake that city as well. >> barbara, thank you for making the effort. it bears repeating, thank you for taking the risk and effort with your team to go there and show us something we need to see. appreciate it. please get home safe, my friend. so america's sons an daughters coming home from war, and barbara starr's piece, what happens when they come home? how much do we really support the troops. how difficult is it for them. journalist, filmmaker, best selling author, sebastian younger is here. taking on ptsd and the loss of community in what we call a society in his new book. next.
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the number of american veterans living with posttraumatic stress disorder is staggering. in fact, it is hard to calculate, because there are so many that aren't aware they have a problems, so many others don't get treatment for the problem. you have so many veterans, literally tens an tens of thousands coming back from iraq
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and afghanistan, and we haven't figured out how to help them reintegrate into society. who is to blame. best selling author tackles this issue in his new book, called "tribe on homecoming and belonging." great to have you here. something i've never done before, crit sidicize criticize. this should be three books. there is so much we need to understand, from your experience out in the field, spending so much close contact time with these men and women. and yet, these overlays. how do we function as a society? what works for us and what doesn't. why. what do you want people to take way from this book? >> the last section is about veterans and ptsd, but more p d broadly, we're really drawn to close cohesive tribal society. we have a phase, going native,
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right. people are drawn to communal exist tans that is close with other people. one thing i was fascinated by, the blitz in london, the authorities were prepared for, people contracted, people living soldier to soldier in the tube station, and what happened, was admissions to psychiatric wards went down. they improved during the bombing. >> because? >> because people were cohesive. they had to come together. what you had with the american solders at the end of the book, they live a cohesive close existence in combat, basically reproduces our he haevolutionar past, inter relying on each other. that's what we evolve to live for. they come back to a modern society, if you come back after a tribal society, people get over their trauma quite quickly. modern society, it is almost
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impossible, because you're coming back which is so individualistic, you don't have the comfort of the commune al bonds. >> they're at a disadvantage but also systemic problems that come along with their injuries unseen. what do you see? what do you identify as the root causes of why we haven't been able to help these men and women enough? >> well, humans evolve the deal with trauma and stress, and almost everyone has short-term ptsd if they've suffered a trauma. only about 20% of people end up with long-term chronic ptsd. so when soldiers come back from combat, 10% of the military only fires their weapons. so the vast majority, the significant majority of veterans who come home and have psychological issues actually weren't traumatized, they're experiencing something else, and that is, the transition to alienating society. i think it's hard for society to
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help them with the transition, because we ourselves are struggling. as wealth goes up, the suicide goes up, depression goes up, after 9/11, conversely, when you collapse society, when this there a problem, things improve. suicide went down, murder rate went down. >> what do you see that as a reflection of raw extensional, what matters, if you have money, you get caught up in the eternal quest for more, you're never satisfied, but when you strip it down to what you need in the here and now, you're happier. >> i'm not arguing for poverty, obviously, we're very blessed to live in a wealthy society as we do. but we have to understand the consequences of it. the consequences are psychological and they effect vulnerable populations like veterans. we have to identify the fact that in the beginning of our country, in the 1700s, benjamin
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franklin wrote a letter saying thousands of colonists have run off to join the indians. what are they looking for. i think they're looking for the community that they get overseas. >> it's interesting. he wound up being a fan of the native populations, that he adapted their councils to what the constitution is about. a lot in here. sebastian, thank you. the book is "tribe." when we come back, "newsroom" will pick up with the stories of the day. so guess what, i met them at the zoo. service that fits your schedule. that's another safelite advantage. ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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