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starr. and cosby on trial. he was an iconic comedian, television pate tree affirmative action, now a judge rules he'll stand sexual assault charges. one of dozen of allegations against him. i'm wolf blitzer you're in "the situation room." weeks away from the respective conventions, nobody's been nominated yet but the donald trump and hillary clinton campaigns are already at war. it's already getting pretty nasty. in speeches, interviews and campaign ads, trump is slinging mud and digging up decades-old unsubstantiated allegations and rehashing a conspiracy theory about a suicide of the friend of the clintons. the trump camp suggests retaliation for pro-clinton ads which attacks trump's treatment of women.
clinton's campaign is hammering trump on his business dealings. amidst urgent search for wreckage and the black boxes from egypt air flight 804, conflicting accounts of the plane's final moments. initial reports from greek authorities said the airliner swerved sharply before it disappeared from radar. an egyptian official now says the plane did not swerve or lose a altitude before vanishing. as far as an explosion on board, it's too soon to determine that based on organizations of remains. i'm talk to trump campaign national spokeswoman katrina pierson standing by live and correspondents, analysts and guests will have full coverage of the day's top stories. it's not even officially under way but the campaign between donald trump and hillary clinton is getting dirty. we begin with jim acosta. this looks like it will be a no-holds barred fight. >> reporter: it is down and dirty early, wolf.
donald trump will hold a rally hooer in albuquerque, new mexico later on. but donald trump is running two campaigns, one to organize and rally the gop behind him. the other to tear down the clintons' early and often but donald trump says it's all in the name of self-defense. advisers to donald trump say, why not? if the clinton machine is attacking the presumptive gop nominee on his past treatment of women, trump is going to hit back hard. it's a line of attack that's been in the making for weeks. >> i mean, have you ever read what hillary clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with? and they're going after me with women? give me a break, folks! >> reporter: in just the past week, trump went further, drudging up old, unproven allegations that former. president bill clinton once sexually assaulted a woman, claims attorneys have denied. >> vincent foster jr. committed
suicide. >> reporter: a friend of the clintons who investigators concluded committed suicide in the early '90s but unfounded conspiracy theories that foster was murdered have lingers. trump told "the washington post" in an interview on monday, it's one thing, whether it's whitewater or vince fost or benghazi, it's always a mess with hillary. >> does she have a good body? no, does she have a fat ass, absolutely. >> reporter: trump's advise ofs say it's payback for this ad going after the real estate tycoon's past dealings with women. >> what he's doing is exposing not just bill clinton for what he was, what he had done, but it's the same as it relates to hillary. she attacked mr. trump as being a sexist 15 modge ni isist 15 m. >> reporter: he's defended against the same character assaults in the past. >> look at trouble bill clinton
got into with something that was totally unimportant and tried to impeach him, which was nonsense and bush got us into this horrible war with lies saying they had weapons of mass destruction, all sorts of things that turns out not to be true. >> reporter: the clintons have been down this road before. the former president saw his approval numbers soar after the public determined the gop adversaries overreached in the '90s. history, he says, is repeating itse itself. >> they accused me of murder. our memories are short. it's what they do. >> reporter: but hillary clinton made it clear to cnn's chris cuomo, she won't engage. >> i know that that's exactly what he is fishing for and, you know, i'm not going to be responding. >> reporter: instead, her campaign is now hitting trump on his business record, like his web video featuring past comments on the housing collapse during the financial crisis.
>> if there is a bubble bust, as they call it, you know, you can make a lot of money. >> reporter: donald trump, just the last few minutes, released a statement on the comments that he made back in the mid-2000s on the housing crisis and it says, quote, i'm a businessman and i've made a lot of money in down markets in such cases as much as i've made when markets are good. this is the kind of thinking our country needs. that statement released by donald trump. as for the rally later on, here in albuquerque, he's not going to have the top republican in the state, government martinez, by his said. she told reporters here in new mexico that she is too busy to be at this rally later on. recall, she has had critical comments about trump's comments on immigration in the past and one thing we should note, wolf, donald trump is holding his first joint fund-raiser with the rnc here in new mexico, in albuquerque, later on this evening, an hour before the rally starts. so much for donald trump's past comments about how he's running
a self-funded campaign. that is no longer the case, wolf. >> clearly, no longer the case. jim acosta. let's get more perspective why donald trump is dredging up scandals, conspiracy theories. dana bash, why is trump doing this? why now? >> well, first and foremost, jim hit the nail on the head, i'm told from trump source that will it was, in many ways, trump being trump. reacting the way he has time and time again when people go after him and this particular case it was reacting to one of the pro-clinton super pacs, using sole of his words against him, against things he has said about women derogatory, language, that's why he's gone full bore on this issue. the fact that he has gone with his gut, trump sources think this could resonate with a
sector of voters, particularly younger, younger female voter whose didn't live through the 1990s, the clinton administration, who might hear this and say, i don't really know about this very much. do it'll and say, oh, wow. so they are hoping, inside trump world, that they can sow seeds of doubt with voters in particular much of this is quite new. >> he's dredging up old allegations about her husband's behavior. he does say that hillary clinton was an enabler. what what's the clinton campaign strategy in dealing with this? >> hillary clinton has said she is not going to kind of go down into the gutter on this. people who i talked to who are familiar with her strategy say that they do not want her to take the bait, that they want her to continue to go after him on a more issues-based level. you heard jim reporting about
the idea that she's going after him for business practices. now that is going back in time, no question about it, but it's more about kind of his version of his records, since he's never been a politician, not so much a personal issue. but, wolf, i have to say i've spoken to other democrats who very much want hillary clinton to win who say perhaps she's missing an opportunity here, that, yes, she has thick skin, and this is how she's learned to cope with the publicity around all of this, and has for decades but she's missing an opportunity to show her human side, that she's not just somebody running for president and trying to cut a stay on the issue but she is a woman who had maybe her heart broken and this was a very tough thing for her to deal with and maybe expressing that would make her feel -- appeal more empathetic. >> dana bash, stick around. you'll be coming back. thanks very much. joining us now, katrina pierson, national spokeswoman for the trump campaign.
thanks for joining us. donald trump, presumptive republican nominee, why is he dredging up all of these old allegations instead of dealing with the most important domestic policy issues, national security issues, why does he need to bring back stuff that happened 25 years ago? >> mr. trump isn't drudging up anything. these are issues a lot of the reporting talking about the latest -- hillary clinton running on women's issues, running and calling, frankly, donald trump a sexist and amisogynist and he's responding to that. >> don't you think as presumptive nominee, other surrogates of his, supporters of his, shouldn't he be above the level, for example, bringing up sordid allegations? >> that's the political way to do things. hillary clinton will go in front of cameras and say i'm not going to respond in kind, i'm going to talk about the issues and stick her super pacs on the trump campaign and the staff.
>> he's got a super pac now, he didn't during primaries but now he's got a super pac. >> he's doing a joint effort -- we see this -- you're asking me the question because donald trump is defending himself. super pac will get out there as well. mr. trump will defend himself. this is something we have not seen in a long time. >> these are attacks against bill clinton when president of the united states going back to early 1990s. that's not defending himself. that's attacking him. >> these are attacks against hillary clinton and her behavior and her response during bill clinton, as someone in elected office, who did things with a young woman while in office. these are very important things. this is the same person we're talking about putting back into the white house. he was impeached, by the way. >> does he need -- donald trump -- to revive unfounded conspiracy theories at this point n. his campaign? why his he doing that?
>> he was asked a question and responded. i believe talking about this suspicious death of foster. he said he didn't know enough about it to make a judgment. other people had questions. >> you're talking -- you're talking -- >> hold on, wolf. there were five federal investigations launched. so obviously somebody thought something somewhere. mr. trump simply said, i'm not going to bring that up because i don't know enough about it. >> talking vince foster suicide, white house counsel in 1993, when he killed himself. five separate investigations all concluded he was depressed, he was taking antidepressants put a gun in his mouth and killed himself, ken starr concluded all of that. why is he raising the possibility that all of those congressional investigations, federal investigations, park police investigations, going back to 1993 when this occurred why is he reviving that. >> he didn't. >> yes, he did. in "the washington post" he said -- he's the one -- >> no. i don't know enough -- >> he's the one who spoke about
the vince foster, he's the one who raises the vince foster issue. >> he says i don't know enough about it to make a judgment on that. so it wasn't -- >> you accept all of these investigations, right? including cnn's investigation back in 1994, i was the white house correspondent for cnn in 1993, i remember all of that very vividly, a sad, sad moment for everyone involved, especially vince foster's family. and now, for the republican presidential presumptive nominee to revive all of that at this stage, that seems beneath donald trump. no, he made an observation. he says i don't know enough about that to make an observation, however -- >> does donald trump believe he committed suicide. >> he said he didn't know enough about the information and i'm sure he will learn enough about the information if he's asked but he said he didn't know to make that judgment. >> you yourself said there were five investigations. >> exactly. >> all which concluded he committed suicide. >> look at "daily mail" in 2008.
>> what else does he need to know about unsubstantiated rumors on the internet. if ken starr the prosecutor, if he concluded it was suicide, if there were other investigations the park police in 193, independent counsel robert fiske investigated two congressional reviews in 1994 and 1995, 1994 cnn did a lengthy review, everyone concluded it was suicide. >> yes, right. we should believe everything the media and the government says. mr. trump simply said he did not have -- >> you believe in that -- you believe in that conspiracy theory? >> i haven't read enough about it. i have the same response mr. trump has, i don't know enough to draw a conclusion. >> why are you raising this. >> he was asked a question. >> you would think, you would think, with all due respect, a sensitive subject like this, before you come on the air and start saying i don't know enough about it, you would have done research and learned something about it. >> no, when you're in an
interview, now know this, someone's asking you a question, mr. trump's not a politician, he's not going to skirt around the answer, he's going it have a conversation with you and that's how this came up. he said i don't know enough to make my own judgement about that. >> you think it's going to help him politically. >> mr. trump's being honest. when he's sitting down with the media, with "the washington post" or yourself, he's being honest and people respect that. >> let me play something for you. an interview i did with donald trump, this was back in 2007, 2008, when hillary clinton was running for president of the united states against then-senator barack obama, september 24, 2007. listen to what he said to me. >> i know her very well. she's very talented and she has a husband i also like very much. i think she's going to get the nomination remember easily. >> look at trouble bill clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant and they
tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. >> which was nonsense, effort to impeach. that's when he said then. now he's flip-flopped on the issue, right. >> as a private citizen, when talking about someone you know, and you were a friend with, that's something you would say. >> at that time, he said it was nonsense, the whole impeachment process. you know else what else he said? the then-president of the united states, george w. bush, should be impeached for getting the u.s. involved in the war in iraq. >> you and i know, as a private citizen you're not privy to the information you might be as a journalist or sitting politician. >> all of the information we knew then in 2007 we've known that, we've known what happened in 1993, in '94. >> you don't know what mr. trump knew at that time. you can project that on to him but not everybody watches cable news 24/7 either. >> in 2007, when i interviewed him he said they tried to impeach him which was nonsense. does he still believe that? that it was nonsense to try to impeach the then-president of
the united states. >> he bring that will up and mentions that bill clinton was impeached because that's important because it's the same individual that we're talking about ut abouting back into the white house. >> what is his position now? appropriate to impeach him? >> back then, according to the information then, as a friend, he thought it was nonsense. at this point in time, yes, he lied. >> in 2007, when he said that we knew what happened during the impeachment process we knew what happened -- >> also a friend and a private citizen, just defending a friend. >> it seeps to me that in 2007 he knew what happened in 1998, 1999, during the impeachment process, right? the whole world was watching it live on tv. i was on the north lawn of the white house reporting all of that stuff, so i remember it vividly. it's not as if anything knew came out between 1998, 1999, and 2007. >> but the fact remains he was a private citizen as well as i friend defending a friend. that doesn't change, no matter what happened either prior to
'the 7 or after. today he acknowledges, yes, this was a problem and we're looking at putting the same back into the white house. >> the information doesn't change if you're a private citizen saying something in 20 -- >> but the response -- >> wait a second. wait he responded? >> if you're a friend -- >> did he not mean it? did he not mean it in 2007 when impeachment was nonsense. >> they were friends. >> it wasn't nonsense, because he's a politician now, he says something different -- >> he's being honest. he's being honest. >> when in 2007 when he said it was nonsense? >> when you're a friend and a private citizen, when you're a friend and private citizen you defend your friend, that's what he did. today it is a problem because bill clinton was impeached for lying under oath, doing things inappropriately with an intern at the white house. this is the same person we're going to put in the white house again? i don't think so.
the criticism is there, it's simple. at that time, he was -- >> which time? >> at the beginning, he was a friend defending his friend. this is different. now he's talking about we have to look at this, you have hillary clinton who is going to turn everything over back to her husband. this is what she's campaigning on. >> he will have a role to decide about economic issues. she said he's going to play a role in that. during the eight year of the clinton administration, once again i covered those eight years the economy -- >> thank you, house speaker gingrich. >> newt gingrich played an important role as well. there was bipartisan cooperation. >> after bill clinton, economic reform and shut the government down. >> can you stick around? >> absolutely. >> a quick break. more after this.
2016 presidential campaign takes increasingly personal and nasty tone. today hillary clinton is accusing donald trump of hoping for the housing market crash so he could make some money for himself. back with katrina pierson, national spokeswoman for the trump campaign. this is the ad that the hillary clinton campaign put out, a clip of it. listen to this. >> i sort of hope that happens because then people like me would go in and buy. if there is a bubble burst, as they call it, you know, you can make a lot of money. >> you want to respond to that, because a lot of people lost their homes, lost their livelihoods, lost a lot of money as a result of that housing bubble burst. >> you know, a lot -- a good
business man knows how to win when the markets are down and up and that's the thinking we need at the top of the country. someone who has been successful all around, he was just stating the facts and i think it's important to note that difference there when you have someone like hillary clinton who has not been -- >> it's one thing to say you can make money in a down market. it's another thing to say, i sort of hope that happens. >> well, again, he's just saying, if this type of thing happens, people like me will make money, we'll go in and buy. >> that's understandable. but you don't necessarily hope the economy goes down. >> he didn't say he hoped the economy -- >> he said i sort of hope that happens. referring to the housing bubble. >> the housing bubble not the entire economy. >> that's a big part of the economy. >> let's make share we have that. health care is a big part of the economy. >> here's another thing hillary clinton said today about donald trump. >> and he has experience in
bankruptcy. right? so you know, i don't know if that's one of the qualifications for running for president. but i kind of doubt it. he's bankrupted companies. i said yesterday, i don't know how you lose money running casinos. >> all right. you want to respond to hillary clinton? >> absolutely, wolf. a perfect example of how disconnected hillary clinton is from the working clasp 80% of small businesses fail. and to make those charges on four to five out of 500 companies that mr. trump has participated in, i think really goes to show she has no idea what she's talking about. when it comes to creating jobs, when it comes to growing the economy, or even listening to the working man. this is a perfect example of that because even though mr. trump has tried so many different things, by the way, creating so many different jobs, he's been tremendously
successful in 500 entities and she's pointing out the smaller ones that failed which millions of americans also tried. >> some of the failures, casinos, a lot of jobs lost as a result of the bankruptcy. >> how many job has hillary clinton created? >> that's another story. she's not in the business world as donald trump has beenen it's not just hillary clinton. it's bernie sanders now escalating his rhetoric against donald trump. listen to this -- >> the american people will not support a president who insults mexicans and latinos, who insults muslims, who insults women, who insults african-americans and veterans. >> who do you fear more? hillary clinton or bernie sanders? >> i fear neither of them, actually. you know, bernie sanders, he has these great ideas. he's romanticized europe and
socialism, not realizing they've been able to do because of unfair trade. now that the subsaharan african people are taking back their own jobs, that's why europe is failing today. but bernie seems to have missed that one piece of his puzzle. at the same time, those are all lies. donald trump hasn't insauled any particular group. he stated the facts. i never heard him say anything about african-americans. >> we're out of time. we can continue this conversation down the road. thanks for coming in. katrina pierson from the donald trump campaign. coming up -- the latest and now conflicting reports in the last minutes of the doomed egyptian airliner. are officials closer to figuring out what happened?
donald trump and hillary clinton are getting more personal in their back and forth attacks. how nasty will the presidential campaign be by november? joining us new york nia-malika henderson, gloria borger, cnn political commentator ryan lizza, the "new yorker" magazine's washington correspondent, and our senior washington correspondent, jeff zeleny, in california covering hillary clinton's campaign right now. gloria, new attacks going back and forth, how much nastier can it actually get? >> i think we're going to see, wolf. this is going to be a scorched earth kind of campaign and it hasn't started yet and it's already started the trump people argued, you heard it before, hillary clinton attacked donald trump on his qualifications and his temperament and that he's counterpunching. but what he's counterpunching on, i think it's risky. i'm not saying it won't work for
him, with his base of support, but it's risky because it could alienate women voters. he's on the record having supported bill clinton at this particular time. and you know, he's somebody who criticizes press for scrutinizing him 25 years ago. so i think these are all things that could -- that could come back and hurt him on this line of attack. however, however, what he is also doing is reminding younger voters who didn't -- don't remember the '90s, that this all occurred and they don't have clinton fatigue. >> some experts, nia, think this is going backfire on donald trump. >> yeah, because we sort of -- i mean if you group up in the '90s, you cover the this stuff it didn't work then. on the idea it will work now, you'll have to see. if you look at hillary clinton's approval ratings during the scandal she saw a bounce because
he people sympathized with her plight. surprising we're bringing up vince foster at this point, that it's gone this way so quickly. i mean, it's like where else does he go from here? and in terms of younger voters, you know, they will google this stuff, they will see that a lot of the stuff is conspiracy theories that have been unproven and they're flat-out false. i think hillary clinton, obviously, not wanting to engage because she thinks this isn't where she needs to be in terms of the -- >> how much lower can they go right now, bringing up the whole vince foster case? i remember covering it and there were so many investigations, everyone, including the republicans, all concluded he killed himself. >> look, this -- not to put too fine a point on it but these are insane conspiracy theorys from the fever swamps of the far, far right that have been out there for decades. and i think this is a real testing point for other republicans in the party. the last three weeks have shown
a lot of elected officials jump on the trump train. michael gersen, a conservative writer for "the washington post" who worked for george w. bush who does not support trump said, you buy into trump you own everything. and this is what those conservatives who are worried about trump are talking about. if you're an elected official you're going come on "the situation room" and ask him about vince foster. you think the guys in the senate and government want to talk about vince foster who as sympathy to his family he suffered from depression, committed suicide, probably one of the most investigated suicides in american history, everyone that looked at it declared suicide. this idea it was a murder is insane. so i don't know if this is some strategic genius behind this. with trump he stumbles into thing that's tend to work. so politically, will this work for him? i don't think so. i doubt it. >> let me get jeff zeleny in. on the democratic side, bernie sanders says the democratic convention in philadelphia could get messy and he's not backing down from saying he's staying in
this race until the convention irrespective of what happens in california two weeks from i do or district of columbia a week later, the final contest. how can all of this play out? >> wolf, the campaign is already messy, it's not surprising that convention would be messy as well. he did go back to clarify that saying, look, he's not talking about violent, he's not talking about any misbehaving there, but it is just a reflection of the reality here of how raw these feelings are inside the democratic party. wolf, he's trying to finish strong, go across the final two-plus weeks here, strong with a lot of wins, a lot of delegates. if he would happen to win in california, 475 overall delegates at stake on the democratic side, that would give him a lot more of a bigger, more compelling argument here. if he does not win, though, if he does not win in new jersey, also on june 7th, some other states, democrats are going to tell him to take a seat, move to the side here, it is time to get on with things here.
so bernie sanders, to keep making this argument, to get to philadelphia, and even, you know, continue the fight that he's had, has to win here at the end. at the end of the day, here, though, this race is effectively over. they are putting ads up on the air here in california. but for the first time the sanders campaign is all about out of money, wolf. they have set one fund-raising record after another but only have $5 million, $6 million in the bank. it costs that much a week to advertise, if you want to break through. the sanders campaign is hoping for a win, cam inpainting aggressively. we'll see if they get one. we know where the race is heading. >> gloria, you're getting new reporting on the strategy from the sanders campaign heading towards the convention. >> it's along the lines of what jeff is saying, they want to get as close to 50/50 in pledged delegates as they possibly can because it gives them leverage. what they're going to do, they've got five seats on the platform committee and they're going to push issues in the
platform committee. if they don't get what they want, they're going to write minority reports, i'm told and bring it to the floor of the convention. so i was told by a senior sanders adviser, if we don't agree with hillary clinton beforehand that you want to raise minimum wage to $15, we'll take it to a vote on the floor. they're hoping -- and they think they'll win -- hoping it could be worked out with hillary clinton beforehand. but they're ready to take these things to votes if they have to. >> could get messy on the floor of the convention. a voice vote, maybe a dispute the voice vote if you recall what happened -- >> yeah. >> -- not that long ago. stand by. the latest developments in the egyptair crash mystery. they're are now conflicting reports on the plane's last minutes in the air. (vo) on the trane test range, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so reliable. if there's a breaking point, we'll find it.
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there are sharply differing versions of egyptair flight 804 over the mediterranean as an urgent search stepped up to the plane's crucial black boxes which could provide answers as to what happened. brian todd digging into all of this. tonight, egyptian officials are disputing accounts by greek authorities over what happened to the plane. egyptian officials are contradicting each other whether there was an explosion on board, conflicting accounts regarding two critical parts of the investigation as authorities raced to fint the fuselage and the black boxes. >> reporter: conflicting
accounts of the final moments of egyptair flight 804, deepening the mystery over the plane's fate. still unknown, whether there was an explosion on board. the initial answer may come from the bodies and official at the cairo morgue tells cnn more than 15 bags of human remains have been delivered to the morgue. the official says those remains are small in size. egyptair's vice chairman refuting remarks from some egyptian officials small body parts indicate an explosion on board. immapact leads to defragmentatis and this is not indicative of what caused the accident. this is all speculation. >> reporter: body recovery is critical. detailed examination of the bodies could reveal important clues. >> you x-ray the bodies to look for fragments of bomb blasts and things like that, that may give information. >> reporter: egyptian officials say relatives of those on board
have been giving dna samples to what's been found of victims. so far pieces of debris recovered, luggage, life vests, pence nal belongings. no major parts of the fuselage located. another point of contention, did egyptair flight 804 make a dramatic swerve before it vanished? after the crash, radar indicated the plane swerved 90 degrees left, then 360 degrees right before it plummeted. a but top egyptian aviation official denies that saying the aircraft did not swerve or make a precipitous drop in altitude before it disappeared. a veteran controller and radar expert says, it's possible neither official is wrong. that they're saying simply what their own respective radars picked up. he says because the plane had just flown over greece before it vanished, greek controllers may have gotten a more detailed picture of its track. the greeks had potentially multiple surveillance radars tracking the airplane, a plane
just flown over their airspace, in relatively close proximity. they would have been able to have a higher resolution on what the airplane was doing. >> now the egyptian radars may have been further away when the e-egyptair flight came into their airspace. they only tracked it for a minute before it disappeared. >> brian todd, thank you. let's bring in experts, former fbi assistant director, tom fuentes, aviation analyst, peter goles and miles o'brien. peter in 1999, you investigated the egyptair crash off the coast of nantucket, worked with the egyptians, there's conflicting information coming out now between greek investigators, egyptian investigators. what do you make of that? who do you -- who do you tend to believe? >> well, this is unusual. usually the fog of war, as they say in these kinds ofccidents, occurs during the first couple of days. we're now almost five, six days
into this and it seems to be getting worse. and i think it -- i think right now the egyptians have got to take a deep breath and take control of this investigation and take control of the information flow. they haven't yet. and they been contradicting each other and it's not helpful. >> there's also conflicting claims about the human remains, tom that have been found, whether -- can you determine from the human remains that may have been floating on the mediterranean whether the result was some sort of explosion, a weaponized explosion or some sort of mechanical problem? >> well, if you had a passenger, wolf, holding a laptop and that laptop had the explosive and went off and blew him apart, yes, from him or her at that point. but for the most part, you probably would not be aibl to. secondly, not to be gruesome, i've seen hundreds of human remains from explosions and you normally can't, they're blown apart, there's pieces you try to put it together.
their main focus is trying to identify who the pieces were, who they belong to. now, it was reported they had 63 pieces from human remains. are those pieces one person, ten people, or 63 different people? when they get those matches they can go to the manifest of the flight and try to put together where people were sitting to end up in that condition. so there's a lot that can be learned in the long run. but it's too soon for that right now. >> miles, so far no parts of the fuselage have been located. how important is finding that? obviously finding the black boxes will be critical. >> well, it's kind of related, wolf. the pieces themselves that they find floating in the ocean will in fact carry their own evidence in some cases. how did they fail? did they fail in a way that reveals an explosion? were they bent outward? is there residue of explosive material on it? did they actually fail on the way down as the aircraft exceeded its aerodynamic
capabilities? sort of gives the effect of bending a paperclip back and forth. or was it impact that would reflect striking the water? all of that is evidence however perhaps the most important thing is they're breadcrumbs to the wreckage itself. if you find the wreckage and the drift patterns it will take you to the spot where the wreckage is beneath the sea and where the answers lie in those black boxes. we don't know where they are and haven't heard any reports of pinging just yet. >> if they do find the black boxes, will the u.s. investigators have access to the information there? they belong to the egyptians i understand. >> the u.s. probably not have access to them right away. the egyptians will probably ask the french, perhaps the british,
all three of together will access and download the information. the u.s. will most likely not be at that session in the beginning. they may get access to the data later in the investigation. >> still no claim of responsibility from anyone, right? >> none that i'm aware. the iraqi military is trying to recapture a major city. but are u.s. troops vulnerable to attack. we've been traveling with the head of u.s. military's central command and she got an inside look at military operations inside iraq right now. are iraqi forces up to the job? >> reporter: it depends what the job is. right now they are very busy defending bagdad, getting ready for an attack against mozul.
you have troops trying to fight isis. the question is can all of these forces that the u.s. is training and equipping really get the job done. iraqi forces moving in on falluja trying to take back a crucial city from isis's grip. fears isis could use civilians as human shields. >> we have security safe outlets to let displaced faemmilies get out of the city. >> reporter: thousands remain trapped complicating the battle. the top u.s. commander running the war against isis is watching carefully for the stress on the iraqi military as it struggles on multiple fronts. >> they're having to make decisions in terms of where the forces are going and where the priorities are. >> reporter: trouble brewing in
bagdad. suicide attacks are a constant problem raising questions about security inside the green zone where the u.s. embassy and military headquarters are located. >> i do think we have the right security forces on the ground from a u.s. perspective to take care of ourselves there. >> reporter: cnn was the only network where the u.s. commander in charge of the war against isis as he traveled in iraq getting the latest assessments on security. this base about one hour north of bagdad is one of the front lines in the effort to train and assist iraqi forces but they have seen some iraqi forces being called back to bagdad for a few weeks to deal with the security situation there in the wake of the rising attacks by isis. they are trying to strike a balance and convince iraq's military to be sure to station enough troops around the country
rather than flood bagdad with security forces falling into isis's trap and removing troops from the battlefield. >> they are attempting to create chaos in the capital. they're attempting to divert attention from other areas where the iraqis are having success. >> reporter: this u.s. military warehouse brimming with more than 25,000 weapons for those iraqi forces. everything is being shipped out as more iraqis show up for u.s. training. getting isis out of mozul remains the ultimate goal and if iraqi forces can focus on that, it is here at the rarely seen coalition operation center in bagdad that the attack will be attacked. >> when the fight begins you want to be sure there's no unexpected fighting as a result down here. >> reporter: we can't allow this
to destablize down here. tonight everybody watching raqqah where groups in the north there say they're making their move against raqqah. the u.s. also is trying to train and equip. >> very quickly, u.s. backed groups in syria have launched an offensive to try to take t territo territory. what can you tell us. >> reporter: we were with them a few days ago. they are young and inexperienced and they are highly motivated. they're announcing they're making their move. i don't think anybody thinks they're going to go all the way to raqqah, that's a very tall order, but clearly they are getting ready to try to extend their reach and move through some of those towns and villages in northern syria where isis still it trying to push that front line out there. >> barbara starr doing exclusive
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happening now trump's tactics, the presumptive republican presidential nominee is going to new lengths to try to hurt hillary clinton by going after her husband and his past. tonight he's giving the nation flashbacks. messy convention bernie sanders warns there will be fall out when the democrats gather in philadelphia. vanished there are conflicting reports about the
final moments of egyptair flight. did the plane swerve before it disappeared? was there an explosion. we'll tell you what we're learning tonight. america's top diplomat is warning about the danger posed by north korea dictator, this as kim jong-un weighs in on the possibility of talking with donald trump. we want to welcome our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer and you're in the situation room. right now both donald trump and bill clinton are preparing to make appearances in new merxico as trump escalates his attack on the former president. voters are getting an early taste of trump's expected general battle with hillary clinton. also tonight clinton is launching a new line of attack against donald trump. she's citing his past comments
about the housing market and suggesting he rooted for it to crash so he could make a profit and this as bernie sanders offers new proof that he's wagging his fight against hillary clinton to the bitter end. sanders has been granted his request for a recanvass of the kentucky primary vote that clinton won by a slim margin. and tonight we're following the egyptair search and investigation. investigators analyze the victims' remain and it's too early to say if there was an explosion on the plane. officials are denying reports that the plane swerved before it fell. we'll talk to a prominent bernie sanders supporter. and guests are standing by as we cover today's top stories. let's begin with our chief
political correspondent dana bash. ya you've been looking at trump's attacks on the clintons. >> these are from the 1990s, allegations you're familiar with, but in the '90s there was barely an internet much less social media which trump is aggressively using right now to revive kocontroversies from the clintons' past. it's warfare. >> hillary clinton's husband abused women. >> reporter: a source familiar with donald trump's campaign strategy tells cnn that trump digging up allegations about clinton's past is not based on groups. >> she's married to a man who hurt many women. >> reporter: this is vintage trump going from his gut and shooting from the hip after
attacks about his own past statements about women like this ad from a pro-clinton super pac. >> does she have a good body, no. >> she attacked mr. trump and that's inaccurate. donald trump's not any of those things. >> reporter: a challenge for trump in attacking bill clinton an anti-women and tagging hillary as an enabler his own past statements of support. like in 1998 in the midst of bill clinton's scandal. >> could you imagine how controversial that would be. >> reporter: even ten years later in 2008. >> look at the trouble bill clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant and they tried to impeach him which was nonsense. >> reporter: here's how a long time trump confident explains it. >> he was friendly with the clintons and he was trying to protect a friend.
now it's a different game. >> reporter: then there are conspiracy theories like the false charge that bill clinton's white house council was murdered despite investigations ruling it a suicide. trump told "the washington post" foster's death was fishy but said i will say there are people who continue to bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. i don't do that because i don't think it's fair. even that feeds the 2016 campaign conversation which bill clinton himself clearly saw coming saying this just last week. >> you think what he said about her is bad? they accused me of murder. our memories are short. it's what they do. >> reporter: as for hillary clinton so far she's letting others do the responding which the first female house speaker said is the way go. >> don't stoop to that level. >> reporter: some sources close to clinton are urging here not to take what they call trump's bait.
>> i know that's what he is fishing for and i'm not going to be responding. >> reporter: a veteran clinton supporter told me today if she engages she will simply be agreeing to turn the campaign into an insultfest but other democrats i speak with worry that hillary clinton isn't showing her human side here that maybe if she explained how she reacted in private how most people would if she was furious and angry at her husband things could be different but as for trump sources they told me today that the kind of voter that they think this all could resonate the most with are younger voters, especially women sowing seeds of doubt about hillary clinton especially again with people who did not live through this. tonight hillary clinton and bernie sanders are both campaigning in california in advance of the primary on june 7th. many democrats are reading between the lines of sanders new warning that the party's convention in philadelphia in
july could get in his word messy. sanders is make ing it harder f clinton to focus on donald trump right now because there's a serious exchange going on between them. >> reporter: that's right. we've seen really hillary clinton unable to fully pivot towards a general election because she's still having to deal with bernie sanders and his campaign who today officially requested a recanvass of the kentucky primary results where they lost last week but only 1,900 votes. all this underscoring how the sanders campaign is pursuing each and every avenue to gain traction. bernie sanders firing off a fresh warning. >> it's going to be messy. >> reporter: telling the associated press that he thinks the democratic convention could get messy if party leaders do not adopt a more progressive agenda. >> for what. her democracy is messy. every day of my life is messy
but if you want everything to be quiet and orderly and allow just things to proceed without vigorous debate that's not what democracy is about. >> reporter: sanders making it clear that he condemns any and all forms of violence. >> the media often takes words out of context. the context of that was that democracy is messy. that people will have vigorous debate on the issues. >> reporter: as hillary clinton attempts to unite democrats for the general election sanders is remaining defiant, vowing to carry on to the convention. >> if i do not win the nomination i'm going to fight as hard as i can to win it because i believe i'm a stronger candidate against trump than secretary clinton is. >> reporter: clinton though already has her sights focussed on the general election deciding she will not debate bernie sanders again and the clinton campaign saying her time right now is best spent campaigning and meeting with voters across
california and preparing for a general election campaign. sanders responding with a stinging rebuke. >> i think it is a little bit insulting to the people of california, our largest state, that she is not prepared to have a discussion with me about how she will help the californians address the major crisis that we face. >> reporter: clinton is focusing her fire on donald trump. >> he has experience in bankruptcy. i don't know if that's one of the qualifications for running for president but i kind of doubt it. he's bankrupted companies. >> reporter: her campaign is unleashing a full force strategy against the presumptive gop nominee heeding his business record. >> if there is a bubble verse as they call it you can make a lot of money. >> reporter: and highlighting his past comments on the
collapse of the housing market. >> he said he was hoping for the crash that caused hard working families in california and across america to lose their homes all because he thought he could take advantage of it to make some money for himself. >> reporter: donald trump has fired back to that charge from hillary clinton saying i am a businessman and i have made a lot of money in down markets. in some cases as much as you've made when markets are good. frankly this is the kind of thinking our country needs, understanding how to get a good result out of a very bad and sad situation. all this is a very small preview of a big argument that the clinton campaign intends to bring against donald trump. >> it's just starting and it's going to get more heated. thanks very much. joining us now here in "the situation room" one of senator sanders supporters congresswoman of hawaii. thanks for joining us.
he's being criticized for using the word messy that the democratic convention in philadelphia could get messy. i suspect he'd like to take that word back if you could. you heard his explanation. >> i haven't spoken to bernie about his use of that word but i don't think he would take it back because what's he's talking about is a livelily conversation. he's talking about a lively dialogue and the platform that his campaign has created for people all across this country to talk about the issues that are important to them. i know that that's what he is committed to doing as he goes and continues with the remaining states on the convention. >> remember, the violence that we saw in nevada that occurred, there was a fear at that time that if it escalates there could be violence as there was in 1968 at the democratic convention in chicago in july. so the word messy had some sort of context there that raised fears of that even though he's now backing away from it. >> i think i was not at the nevada convention so i can't
speak from firsthand experience. there were different accounts. those who i talked to who were there said a chair was picked up and put down and people were lively but when you're talking about violence you're talking about physical violence and i'm not aware of that occurring at all at the nevada convention and bernie's denounced any kind of violence from anyone. >> there were threats of death. >> which is wrong. >> against the chair of the democratic party there. >> absolutely wrong. >> she received hundreds of phone calls threatening her. >> unacceptable regardless of who they came from or who they were directed at. that is unacceptable behavior. i know what bernie is talking about and the reason why he's continuing on in this campaign is because of these important issues. issues like income inequality and stopping regime change wars and breaking up the big banks and looking forward and this path towards peace and prosperity for our country and making sure the american people
have the opportunity to make sure they're voices are heard. >> you're a former advice chair of the democratic national committee. you resigned to endorse bernie sanders. bernie sanders has endorsed the opponent running in the democratic primary against the chair of the dnc. basically suggesting he has no confidence in the leadership of the democratic party. was that smart? >> i think bernie's endorsed a few different candidates who are running for congress and in state offices and state legislators, people who reflect the values and issues he has raised in his campaign and so many people have stood up against. if you look at the candidate -- >> the leadership of the democratic national committee in a sensitive moment would you go that far? have you endorsed the opponent. >> i have not made that endorsement. i think what bernie has talked about is raising these issues and i know her opponent has raised the same issues that bernie is raising. >> you've worked with her.
i don't know how well you know the opponent. >> haven't met him yet. >> but you're staying neutral on that. >> i'm staying you neutral. >> at what point does he have to concede? let's say after california and after new jersey on june 7th she has more pledged delegates forget about the super delegates more pledged delegates does he continue the fight to philadelphia or does he say enough is enough i'm going to do now what hillary clinton did in june back of 2008 when she realized that then senator barack obama was going to be the nominee. >> i can't speak for bernie but from all that i've heard from him, i think that he plans to remain committed to his word that he will carry not just his voice, this has never been about bernie sanders it's about carrying the voices of so many people who have been energized and getting involved with politics for the first time and care about these issues to make sure there are real changes being made not just the the
convention, this is bigger than a party platform that no one really follows. there's not been any presidential candidate that's followed the party platform on either side. it's about making sure changes are brought about. >> you don't anticipate some sort of concession that he would concede the nomination after california? >> not that i know of. >> irrespective of what happens he's going to continue. the problem is you worry about this could help donald trump in the long run if the democrats aren't united. >> i know what i'm worried about and what bernie is worried about is how do we help the american people and by continuing to push these issues to the forefront of the conversation both for people running for president as well the media and american people then we're on a good path. >> all right. we have more to discuss. i want you to stick around. we're going to talk about national security issues, what's going on in iraq right now as well. much more after this. introducing bai.
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hawaii. it's pretty painful. you received in iraq. to see what's going on right now do you have confidence the iraqi military can get the job done in falluja. >> it's moving in the right direction. it looks like they're beginning to show some early signs of success. i think that the obama administration secretary carter there are taking seriously and taking the fight to isis by using our special forces in a very smart way as well working with the kurds, the sunni trouble leaders. >> do you have a problem that they're using malitia to take back this operation. >> they have been shown in the past to owe press and persecute the sunni people in iraq and this has created the oxygen for isis to come in in the first
place because they have shown that their persecution is persisti persisting. as this goes on we have to make sure the sunni leaders are able to govern so we can take away this oxygen from isis. >> you would like to see a partition of iraq. >> yes. >> that was a position the vice president took many years ago. this is personal for you, an iraq war veteran right now. what should the u.s. role -- the u.s. was involved in air strikes but should the u.s. get more involved on the ground to liberate a city like falluja but then go into mosul. >> i think the strategy the administration is using is the right one with limited targeted use of special forces on the ground to go after isis and al
qaeda, working with local forces on the ground like i just mentioned the sunnis, the kurds, the iraqi security forces but i think it's important overall whether you're looking at iraq or syria in this fight against isis and al qaeda and these other jihadist groups you could go in and kill all the fighters right now but unless the united states addresses this issue of saudi arabia and turkey and they're fueling terrorist organizations as well as this spread of this radicalism in schools and mosques around the world we're going to see this indoctrination of new terrorists that will join these groups. >> these elements are being trained by the u.s. and syria. there are u.s. special operations forces training them. they're planning a move on raqqah, the isis capital in syria right now.
would you support an escalated u.s. military involvement. >> you said the u.s. is training forces in syria against assad. i have been a vocal critic of that. i think that is a war that we should not be engaged in. we should not be trying to overthrow the syrian government of assad because this helps isis, helps al qaeda and other jihadist groups to take over all of syria and it's worsening the refugee crisis, it's increasing human suffering and chaos in syria. what we should be doing is having the special forces continue the work with the kurds, with these southern arabs to go in and take places like raqqah back and focus our resources and energy on that fight. >> most of these rebels hate isis but they hate the regime more. >> that may be true for some but
they have ingrated themselves so deeply within the syrian community because the united states has not been targeted al qaeda. we've only been targeting isis in syria and taking our eye off the ball of the enemy that attacked us on 9/11. ahead, will donald trump's dive into bill clinton's past affect hillary clinton's future. we'll talk about her fight to clench the democratic nomination. our aviation experts are pouring over new reports right now about the final moments of the egyptair flight. we'll get the latest on whether terror or technical problems seem more likely. a dramatic turn in the bill cosby scandal, he's now been ordered to stand trial. fight heartburn fast. with tums chewy delights. the mouthwatering soft chew that goes to work in seconds to conquer heartburn fast. tum tum tum tum. chewy delights. only from tums.
tonight it's back to the future in the presidential race with donald trump dredging up some old lines of attack against bill and hillary clinton. dana bash is back with us along with our david challengen and mark preston and senior politic analyst ron brownstein. the fact that donald trump is reviving these old accusations against bill clinton, does he expect that's going to bring him support out there, new supporters are going to come to him because of this?
>> i think his hope is that people who are kind of on the edge about whether to support hillary clinton will say i'm not going to do it but truthfully this -- my understanding is that this whole thing started with him just kind of being donald trump, being really upset about the fact that the clinton super pacs were immediately running ads against him using his own words about women and he said wait a minute, you want to talk about women, let's go there on women and as he did so many times in the primaries and as he likes to say he hit back ten times harder than he was hit in the first place. he was hit by a super pac and trump is going directly after hillary clinton and bill clinton in their personal lives but whether or not this is going to help, we'll see. it could help with the people who didn't know from this, didn't live through this.
this is what trump sources say they hope but it started out with trump just being angry. >> two weeks from today the california primary. what could be the impact of all of this on secretary clinton's efforts to finally see bernie sanders go away for all practical purposes. >> i don't think it has any impact, certainly not in the primary. >> trump attacking hillary clinton does that weaken her against bernie sanders let's say in california. >> i don't think so. i think it might weaken her heading into a general election although i'm skeptical about that as well. i think heading into california the fact is that the clinton campaign is res lut of focusing on donald trump and on the issues and allowing bernie sanders to do what bernie sanders says he's going to do and then they want to move on. i don't think it is going to hurt her in california, let alone would it even matter if it did hurt her a little bit. >> did the fact that years ago, including in interviews with me, donald trump said the impeachment of bill clinton was nonsense and not important and
what was important if you want to impeach somebody impeach george w. bush. now he's flipped on that. do you think that has an impact on this contest that he's gone from one side to the other side. >> both things can't be true. you can't call it nonsense and then say it's important to the exa character of his wife. you pressed her and she didn't have an answer for how that could be. it doesn't hold water to say he had one thought as a private citizen and now he can have a thought as a candidate for president and donald trump is going to need to square this in some way because the narrative that you're building against your opponent if you want it to stick it needs to feed into everything you're communicating, both the positive message and the negative frame that you're building. this is why obama was successful against romney they built that negative frame.
if this is the avenue that donald trump wants to go down he has to connect it to what he's offering to the american people for it to be successful. >> you heard hillary clinton say she's not going to go down in the gutter and respond to these allegations from donald trump but is that a smart strategy if you will to say i'm going to focus on policy and the issues? >> i think a lot of this is about controlling the campaign dialogue. the republican primary we went through an entire primary and i don't think any of us sitting here could tell you the detail difference between the tax plan of jeb bush and donald trump. historically those are the kind of things that the republican primaries turned on. he made the republican primary about a set of attacks, insults back and forth and really had the entire debate on his terrain. i don't think hillary clinton wants to debate on personal insults back and forth. she wants to focus on a series of contrast that play to the
democratic kcoalition. to the extent that donald trump is able to be back and forth about their personal failings and weakens, i think that part would be a mistake for lk. it didn't work out for the other raek republicans who were never able to best him. >> that's why she's not doing that. she's why she said -- he's fishing and she's not going to take the bait. some people think maybe she should have at least one moment that is more human. she understandably says and i think she does have a thick skin because she went through so much but other democrats are saying maybe she should be a little bit more human and maybe that would put it to rest but one thing i want to add to what you were saying about what he said now versus what he said to you and others back in 2007 and 2008
when he was defending the clintons, one of his long time confidants said this morning that back then he was a friend and he was defending them as a friend and now it's different, it's politics. the one thing i would say if i'm watching that and i'm a donald trump supporter and like him because he's different that makes me think he's like everybody else. >> that's what katrina said here in "the situation room" as well. stand by. i want to alert our viewers out there please join us later tonight. our political team for a cnn election special on the intensifying general election battle, the primary fight that's still unfolding. our special coverage, 10:00 p.m. eastern later tonight. ahead, conflicting reports deepening the mystery surrounding the crash of that egyptair plane. what happened during its final moments. also north korea responding to donald trump's willingness to meet with kim jong-un.
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about what happened in the final moments before it crashed into the mediterranean sea killing all 66 people on board. renee crews have recovered some remains and debris but they're still searching afor the black boxes. >> they're searching for the remains and there are conflicting reports about the plane's final moments but whether there was an explosion that brought this plane down. tonight cnn has learned that flight 804 passed its inspection before takeoff and no technical problems were found. tonight as search and rescue crews pull more human remains and debris from the mediterranean sea there are conflicting reports about whether there was an explosion on board. some news agencies have reported the small size of the body parts recovered indicate an explosion took place but airline officials
tell cnn that's speculation. >> these speculation and theories most of the time come out very early and it's down through the sudden shock phase when everyone is very anxious. >> reporter: some experts agree. >> it's been described that none of the pieces of human remains were bigger than the size of a human hand. you cannot tell from that. >> reporter: egyptian officials are working to match dna samples from the victims' families with the remains recovered. another major question, did egyptair flight 804 make a dramatic swerve in its final moments. greece's defense minister says the aircraft served 90 degrees and then 360 degrees before plunging dramatically but air navigation services refutes that saying the plane did not swerve or lose altitude.
>> their radar was likely at the utter limits of effectiveness. my guess is the egyptians have more than one radar track on this plane. >> reporter: meantime the clock is ticking for investigators to find the plane's black boxes. the batteries are expected to expire in a matter of weeks. the two recorders could hold a treasure trove of information that would explain exactly what happened and how the pilots' responded. the victims families say they do not trust egyptian authorities to investigate the crash in part because of the way they handled the bombing of the russian jet liner. the fear is that they will put their national interests before the accident investigation but egypt is promising full transparency. >> let's hope. thanks very much. let's get more on all of this. joining us the former pilot and aviation consultant and our
consider law enforcement analyst and consider contributor of the earth observatory and former ntsb peter goals. why is there a diskrepensy between greek and egyptian authorities on the final movements of this flight? >> it's possible that the aircraft was at the extreme range of the egyptian radar maybe less so for the creek radar. the greeks had been in contact with the aircraft and the aircraft entered the flight information region for egypt. that might explain part of it. the other thing is the aircraft can only disappear on radar when it has descended because any metal object will reflect back. there of course is a transponder so there are electronic returns as well although that might have been cut off and we don't know
quite what happened whether it was mechanical or an explosion. but either of which could make the electronic system fail. >> there's a lot of debris that seems to be collected. what can the debris tell us about what happened. >> the first thing it will tell us is depending on the size of the debris field is it spread out over hundreds of miles that would indicate the plane did explode in midair. if it's in a more confined area on the ocean surface it could be more like air france when it crashed in one piece into the atlantic and then the impact broke it up. also depending on the piece of debris it can say where you have compression damage to the metal, did it come apart in midair so the debris can tell a lot. from what we've seen of the small pieces it may not be enough yet. >> they haven't found the fuselage that would be critical. how long will it take experts to test the debris and human
remains for any trace of explosives. >> i'm sure they're doing that already, at least i hope so. but i think they're probably going to keep collecting and hopefully find larger pieces. they've got small bits to work with so they need to find larger chunks of that aircraft. >> they do. if this was terrorism, why hasn't any group claimed responsibility at least the silence on this part of the story is clearly potentially significant. >> that's the question isn't it. that throws the whole theory of terrorism into a big question mark because there has been no claim of responsibility and on something this broadly covered this devastating a group should have claimed. >> the french authorities, they're trying to learn if there's any possible security flaws at the charles d gall airport. are there lessons to be learned for international protocols
right now? how do you strengthen security to make sure bad people don't get access to a plane like this shall we say even on the ground. >> from what i understand from previous incidents is it's more a question of intelligence services rather than just using metal detect ors. if you look at airport security before you enter the airport environment you're already questioned and maybe pulled aside, the security operatives are highly trained and there are several levels of security. nobody can get anywhere near an airport terminal until that you have been through several of these layers. it may be impractical to do something like at a major airport but perhaps that ought to be the way of the future. we must also recognize this aircraft had been doing a w pattern, flying to different destinations in africa but it went to paris so if we are
talking about a bomb on board, that could have been loaded at any one of these other destinations and of course there's always the weakest link and this airport is probably not the weakest link in this case. >> there were earlier stops for this plane. david, let's say the black boxes, the flight data recorder, the cockpit voice recorder are at the bottom of the mediterranean right now, are they going to find those two boxes. >> they essenticertainly are fi. they need the right tools and they need to mount a full-scale deep ocean exploration program and that means the ruight tools and game plan. >> do they have those tools available to them over there.
the clock is day six. >> i feel frustrated because i don't know for sure what's there. i hear there's a french robot on the way and a greek submarine but i don't know which ones those are. >> what are you hearing peter? >> my understanding is the same as david but as he said with the right equipment they'll find the boxes and i think they'll find them relatively quickly. >> this is one of those similar to this one a flight data recorder as we point out it's orange. the egyptians will get first crack at this right. will the ntsb, experts on the data that's included there will they get access to it. >> my guess is egyptians will call on the french as they have in the past to download the data. whether the u.s. gets access at that point is up to the egyptians and i would guess unless if there was a problem they might call on us.
people on that plane, the crew members and everyone who may have had access on the ground to that plane. >> the french authorities would have provided them not just passage and crew, baggage handlers, any wide variety so the fbi could go through its files. they may be using the fbi for background checks on individuals. i doubt if any of them are ever going to be called to work on the actual investigation on the ocean or interviewing people in those countries. >> all right, guys, thanks very much. just ahead, bill cosby now facing a trial on felony sex assault charges. tonight the lawyer is slamming the judge's decision. why north korea is now dissing donald trump accusing him of propaganda and nonsense. you know when i first started out,
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globally. >> this after donald trump told reuters he's ready to be the first sitting american president to sit down with the reclusive north korean leader to try and stop his nuclear program. >> i would speak to him. i would have no problem speaking to him. >> now north korea is responding, the country's envoy flatly denouncing the suggestion, calling it nonsense and propaganda. >> he wiped out the uncle, this one, that one. i mean, this guy doesn't play games and we can't play games with him. >> a confident kim was just bragging about his regime's nuclear progress at the country's first workers party congress in 36 years. his ambassador to the u.n. in geneva, who attended the event, said his boss would decide whether to meet with trump if he is elected but called his offer to talk insincere, part of the campaign bluster.
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>> a serious issue they should debate at least. thanks very much for that report. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. please be sure to join us right here in the situation room tomorrow. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> all out war tonight, donald trump escalating attacks against bill clinton and hillary clinton firing back slamming trump over his money and business news. and breaking news in egyptair flight 804 tonight. we have news about the pilot moments before he took off. >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. donald trump hoping to get right to the finish line tonight as voters in washington state are still casting ballots at this moment. at stake for trump, 44