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celebrity dancer. >> thank you so much for being us with on this wednesday. have a great rest of the day. hello, everyone. we begin with breaking news which will no doubt play big on the campaign trail today. hillary clinton did not comply with state department rules when it comes to her use of a private e-mail server at the state department. this from a brand-new report from the state department's own inspector general. >> here it is, 86-page report, the analysis critical of clinton's handling of her e-mail practices during her time running the state department. let's bring in the justice correspondent evan peres, you have seen the report and have the report. what does it say? >> the big finding from this report is one that's frankly not
surprising, that says at a minimum secretary clinton should have surrendered all of her e-mails dealing with the department business before leaving the government services. she used this private server in her home in new york. that's what she used exclusively for all of her business as secretary of state and that violated the state department's rules. now the report goes on to say that when she left, she should have at least turned over those records and said that she was able to provide them when she was asked for it. she turned over 55,000 pages, 30,000 e-mails that she had sent while she was in the state department. but the report does also say that there was -- even though she turned over 55,000 pages, there was still some things missing from those -- from those e-mails, including e-mails to david petraeus, who is the former cia director and e-mails to sid blumenthal, a friend and
confidant of hers looking to do business in libya. it is brought up regarding benghazi and her use of this public server. this doesn't end the controversy over this private server because we still have an fbi investigation ongoing. we expect at some point in the next couple of weeks she might get a call from the fbi asking her to sit down for an interview before that investigation is wrapped up. >> evan, reading the press accounts of this, it says among other things that the clinton team at the state department said that their use of the private e-mail server passed legal muster while they were doing it yet the ig's report said it found no evidence that a lawyer was consulted. >> the way this inspector general went about this was looking not only at hillary clinton's use of this private server but looking at all state -- all recent secretaries
ever state and they found that essentially what she was doing was something that frankly has not been done by anybody else. it appears that other secretaries ever state have used private e-mails in some parts of their work but this is the first time any of secretary of state have used a private server to do all of their business. it's not clear how -- who approved all of this. obviously she was the boss at the state department. she could order this be done and it appears that's exactly how it happened. >> evan peres, looking through this analysis, this review, much more to come on that. thanks so much for bringing that to us. >> we want to bring in our chief political correspondent dana bash and barry bennett, senior adviser to the trump campaign and amanda carpenter, former spokesperson for ted cruz and former hillary clinton presidential campaign manager and bill press, a bernie sanders supporter. dana bash, chief political
genius for us. this is going to play in politics, basically immediately, donald trump has already been calling hillary clinton crooked hillary and hillary clinton by the way still running in a primary against bernie sanders. >> as a sports enthusiast, i'll use a term you appreciate, unforced error. this is something that hillary clinton, many people who i talked to who support her just wring their hands and say what were you thinking? this feeds directly into the narrative that her opponent, bernie sanders on the democratic side and ultimately republican led by donald trump in a general election will be hammering her on. and in politics, it is the existing narrative and ability by opponents to feed into that. that is the most damaging. we've seen that time and time again. and the narrative of course
is -- you're hearing donald trump do it in only a weigh he does, calling her crooked hillary. the fact she didn't comply with the rules and appears to have been doing things that were not -- maybe she thought she was above the rules or she's different from the way everybody else should be. now, she has lots of explanations, lots of ways she's trying to say that she did what she thought was right, but at the end of the day when you have an independent investigation going on within the department that she ran saying that she shouldn't have done several things including taking her documents and then not giving them back for almost two years after she left, that's going to help her opponents in a big way. >> one of her supporters is here with us, patti solis doyle,
patty, unforced error, how would you describe what we're now seeing? >> it was a mistake, admit d it was a mistake, shouldn't have done it. there's going -- she's going to pay a political price for it. but i haven't read the report. it just came out. it seems though from what i have read is that there was systemic problems within the state department dealing with other secretaries of states in terms of e-mails and production of e-mails for the press. it was a mistake, but we have to see what the fbi comes up with. right now we have seen reporting that there's no criminal -- >> that just keeps us going. >> this is only the first -- >> the fbi comes out and says there's no criminal and nobody -- not only of her but any of her aids and i think a lot of this goes away. >> bill press, the guy you
support for president, bernie sanders said i'm sick and tired of hearing about these damned e-mails. well, the primaries are not over. what do you expect bernie sanders to say about it now? do you think he should bring it up now that there is this official report that says hillary clinton did not comply with the rules? >> i have not talked to senator sanders about it but i doubt he will. i don't think he should. i think -- >> i think he reflects what the american people feel about this. first of all, let's not kid everybody, this is a real problem for hillary clinton. it's not going to go away. it's going to drag out through november. and we have to wonder why people who are so smart do things that are so dumb at the same time, she released 30,000 e-mails, no bombshells in any one of those e-mails, what we see is a sloppy
record keeping and no illegal activity. there's no -- bernie won't go there. >> i'm pretty darned sure that -- >> already raising his hand, i'll go there now. barry? >> the most damaging part of the report where it says the inspector general, an independent body says she did violate the rules of the state department. those rules were enacted to guarantee compliance with the federal records act. social security it is not a leap of logic to say she broke the law. if that's where the fbi goes, then this is no longer a political problem, it becomes a courtroom problem. >> it doesn't have to be criminal to be untej cal. >> you don't -- it doesn't have to real the level of crimin criminality. >> for her to be guilty in the court of public opinion, absolutely not.
whether she asked the state department for permission, the fact she set up a private e-mail server to conduct public work for the purpose of convenience and avoiding public records keeping laws. she put herself above the law. that is the beginning and end of it. there's no reason to make it any more complicated than that. >> and timing, dana, the timing is very, very interesting -- >> and tough. >> it is tough for hillary clinton. today may have been a good news day. maybe she would have won a news cycle on the issue what he said about the housing crisis in the mid-2000s. now it's about e-mails and it isn't the last day we'll be talking about it because there's this -- >> there is eventually going to be a report coming out from capitol hill on broader issue of benghazi, which kind of is obviously a different issue but
related in many ways. this is the kind of thing that team clinton knew was going to be an issue for a long time and it's the kind of thing they have to try to it's just damage control as much as they can. the problem is and patti is exactly right, this report does talk about systemic problems, even secretary kerry, the current secretary of state is talking about how to remedy these problems. john kerry isn't currently running for president and neither is colin powell or condoleezza rice or anybody else who had problems at the state department. they didn't have their own servers. it is a different situation and purely political and i can't underscore enough, it feeds straight into the narrative that hillary clinton is just like the rest of them. she's above it all. doesn't comply with the rules and that is very difficult thing
to beat back. >> the waiting game to hear what hillary clinton says and how she responds to it, right? >> you notice as we were checking our e-mails waiting for an official response from the clinton campaign or team which has not happened yet. all of you stick around, there's a lot more to discuss. just moments ago, donald trump called pro testers in new mexico thugs. the chaotic scene ahead. >> also just ahead, too toxic? that is what some democrats are wandering about the head of the democratic party. debbie wasserman schultz, will they try to push her out now? bernie sanders campaign manager will join us that i'm 26% native american. i had no idea. it's opened up a whole new world for me. all the other guys are talking about these days is how good their coverage is. but only one network is giving you more than just great coverage. t-mobile! only t-mobile's lets you stream video and music - for free!
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part of the award-winning golf family. zbls donald trump was drooling over the idea of a housing meltdown. >> he actually said he was hoping for the crash. >> i'm a businessman, that's what i'm supposed to do. >> a group of anti-donald trump protesters clashed with police. now lots of protesters are throwing rocks. this is now descended into chaos. >> all right, this morning in politics, plenty of room at the hotel california and for the remaining presidential candidates, this could be heaven or could be hell. but for donald trump, he can't
quite check any time he likes because he's dealing with new mexico for which there is no known song. protesters stormed their way into the convention center throwing bottles, stomping on police cars. several officers had to be treated after being hit with rocks. at least one person was arrested. >> trump tweeting a short time ago the pro testers in new mexico were thugs flying mexican flag and the rally inside was beautiful and outside criminals. david, let's talk about what happened inside that big rally. donald trump took on hillary clinton and took on elizabeth warren pretty strongly, responding to the attacks they've been leveling against him, david. >> he did indeed. we're seeing this general election battlelines drawn. i'm disappointed john couldn't write a new mexico song on the fly there. i do think that what you saw from donald trump last night was
actually a clear indication that hillary clinton's line of attack is stinging him. this notion that she's out there saying that he is a businessman who is callous in his approach to see how it impacts middle class americans is something she plans to prosecute from now until november. he is starting to embrace that attack by pointing to the fact that listen, two things, i wasn't a politician, i was a businessman and two, i was doing things that were successful. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm a businessman, when the housing market goes down, i guess what she'd like to do, i'd like if it goes down, it goes down. i feel badly for everybody, i'm in business. never thought i was going to run
for office. he gets to double down on being the outsider and wears it as a feather in his cap, he was doing things that was going to benefit his business. that's called success and he wants to apply it to all of america, his argument back to secretary clinton. >> this was fascinating, not only did he take on hillary clinton and elizabeth warren, both democrats but the sitting republican governor of new mexico, martinez, not yet endorsed donald trump. but he went after her as he might say, bigly. >> we have to get your governor to get going, she's got to do a better job, okay? she has got to do a better job, she's not doing the job. hey, maybe i'll run for governor of new mexico? i'll get this place going. >> this looks like a remarkable minute long rift against a
governor popular in new mexico and nationally as well. >> if you go back to 2012 and re-reince priebus and rnc, what republicans need to improve to win the white house, susanna martinez fits that description. >> checks almost every box. >> more approachable to women, more approachable to hispanics. here she is this star inside the republican party for some time where she is the head of the republican governor's association. she was the one surrogate nationally chris christie brought into new jersey to be a validator and campaign for him in 2013. this is the model of the kind of outreach that republicans had hoped to do in order to win the white house and donald trump is clearly offendsed she hasn't supported him yet. goes on the attack and does a complete takedown for somebody as you were saying checks all of the boxes what he needs to be
wooing, not pushing away. >> david, thanks so much. >> here to discuss now is senior adviser to the trump campaign and senior commentator amanda carpenter for ted cruz and patti solis doyle and bill press, bernie sanders supporter and just a general all-around good-bye but sometimes a bit of a kru mud gen. paul manafort goes to capitol hill and he understands behind closed doors he says we won't hold a grudge if you guys need to run -- distance yourselves from us and don't want us to touch on topics that could be bad for you for your re-election and then takes on susanna martinez. why? >> well, i think that she's been more than just not talking about trump, she's been pretty vehemently against trump the
whole time. i think there was an attempt to try to sit down with her and that was refused. >> you reached out to her and she refused? >> that's what i'm told. but you know, i don't know who's giving her political advice, but i don't think she's getting good advice. >> you think this is smart for donald trump? you think this is still okay for donald trump? >> i wish none of this had happened. i wish she would endorse the nominee of our party like everybody else. >> this is remarkable. we're told again and again that donald trump is a counter puncher. she landed no blow -- as far as i can see -- >> that is not true. >> didn't show up at the rally and kiss his ring and punch punch punch. >> there's video of it. >> okay. >> what did she say? >> she didn't like the wall, she called it unrealistic, doesn't like the way he talks about immigrants. >> she spoke at an rga event in the last 30 days and trashed him. >> and then he will trash her in a public way saying she's not
doing a job and he should take over her job. >> it was 40 seconds of an hour town hall. >> sitting republican governor and chair of the rga at a time when he's trying to unify the republican party, amanda, how does this unify the republican party? >> it doesn't. it helps donald trump maybe in some way. i'm not sure how. seems to get a rise off of stoking people and bashing people at every turn he can. he gives note to protesters always there, clearly he sees that picking jobs with people, keeps them in the media and keeps them on offense, it doesn't make sense to many of us who think he should have a woman like the new mexico governor at his side. but he's not in it for the party, he's in for himself. >> what paul manafort told rpz republicans on hill, does that still stand? is the campaign still saying it's okay if you want to distance yourself from us, it's okay? >> if you attack donald trump,
you can expect a counter punch. >> distance from a point. >> counter attack is different from distancing yourself. >> the primary is over, right, it's over. you can either not vote for him or go out and conduct a campaign against him. >> otherwise he's going to come to your state and bash you in the public forum. that's what's to be expected. >> if you want to attack our nominee as a republican, yes, that's wrong. >> yes, let's go on. >> then you will be attacked. let's talk about hillary clinton and donald trump. they are both attacking. donald trump responding to hillary clinton and hillary clinton put out this video talking about donald trump's sound from the 2000s, talking about the housing crisis and be an opportunity to buy low and trump responded last night. elizabeth warren piling on as well. trump says i'm a businessman, you heard david talking about it before, this is his selling point to the american people. >> there's a difference between
buying low and making money and rooting for the housing market to fail and rooting for the american people to suffer. there's a big difference there. will it stick? i don't know because so few things stick to donald trump but these attacks are fair. he has no record. never taken a vote on anything. his record is his business record. is it fair to attack on business practices and bankruptcies and tax returns, which we still have not seen? absolutely. and that's what he's -- that's what this race is going to be about for him, his business record. >> bill, do you see -- you've got hillary clinton and elizabeth warren not endorsed is fond of your guy of bernie sanders. do you think this is an area attacking donald trump's business record that you see sanders and hillary clinton and their supporters uniting? >> well, i hate to sound like a crudmugeon. a quick point what amanda said,
i think donald trump has gotten this far by insulting people and humiliating people and now going after even a woman that he should be praising, the republican governor of new mexico, can he insult his way to the white house? i don't think so. i think that's a test of this election. but back on this donald trump approach, i disagree a little bit. i think this is very damaging for donald trump. he didn't just say i'm a successful businessman and know how to make money. he really exposed himself as a businessman who doesn't care about people. that's all he cares about is making money himself. he doesn't care these people suffer if they lose their homes and can't pay their mortgages and kids can't get into college. i think he typifies the greed of wall street which undercuts the economic populism message that he has been trying i believe untruthfully to ride. this exposes him i think just as a greedy billionaire, it's very
damaging. >> i can see sanders people more enthusiastic about this attack than any i've seen so far. >> this will be the line of attack coming. you get two seconds. >> guess whose record is vying for closed houses and flipping them for a profit? elizabeth warren. talk about hypocrite. >> there was a story today. >> we'll look into that. we're unclear what barry is talking about there. >> we'll figure it out in the break. >> barry, you did do it in three seconds. i asked. thank you very much. >> is the head of the democratic party too toxic? that's what some democrats are wondering now about the head of the dnc after her public dust-up with bernie sanders? is she going to get pushed out? bernie sanders campaign manager joins us next. oh. henry!
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i used to like that song. first it was sanders campaign saying the head of the dnc was throwing shade. now other democrats on capitol hill have started quietly discussing whether debbie wasserman schultz have you been removed from her post. sources tell cnn there's about no formal effort to oust her but some senators fear she's becoming too toxic. >> manu raju right in the middle of this reporting and details. >> these discussions really have started to intensify over the last few days, this is not a coordinated or formal effort but happening behind the scenes among certain members worried about what they are seeing in their party after that nevada aftermath and sanders supporters
really took it to party leaders and led to a chaotic scene, folks are worried come philadelphia the july convention, maybe that will replay itself and whether debbie wasserman schultz accused as someone not being fair and quietly siding with hillary clinton could actually tamp down that chaos. even some hillary clinton supporters seem to be unnerved about debbie wasserman schultz. i just had a chance to talk to claire mccaskill, a leading hillary clinton supporter about debbie wasserman schultz's rule and did not call on her to step aside but came right up to it. >> i think this will get worked out over time. the role of dnc chair is always a supportive role, not a starring role and i think because of what has occurred, it's hard for her to avoid a
starring role. and so i hope it will all get worked out. i understand that fair or unfair, she has seen by many in the sanders camp as a representative of the problem and you know, it may not be completely fair to her but it's a reality. >> so sort of a gentle nudging from clair mcccaskill there. some said she may be too toxic come july. there are others that do support debbie wasserman schultz, nancy pelosi supports her staying in that role and other senators have suggested that as well. of course members of congress don't make that decision, hillary clinton's campaign would make that decision assuming she gets that nomination. so we'll see how this flaz out but clearly part of that larger concern within the party about
uniting ahead of the july convention, something that's really intensified over the last several days. >> and pretty amazing that not only that folks are not just talking about it but going on camera and on the record with you that senator claire mccaskill did, that says something, manu. >> that goes without saying. thanks, manu. let's discuss this and much more. let's bring in bejeff weaver fr vermont. thank you so much for joining us. we'll get to the conversation hopefully about debbie wasserman schultz in a moment. first we want to talk about the breaking news that hillary clinton did not comply with the rules with regard to her e-mail practices -- during her time as head of state department. bernie sanders said we don't care about your damneed e-mails in that debate. does this change that?
>> it's still an ongoing process and this is part of the process. we should let the process play itself out. this is one piece of a bigger process and as the senator said as you pointsed out back as early as november, this is not something that needs to be kicked around in the political arena but something -- there's a process for, let it play out. >> but jeff, this part of the process is done. this is the official inspector general report from the state department. state department says she did not comply with the rules there. are you saying that i have no reaction at all to this report? >> well, i think the report speaks for itself. this is an area where the senator has chosen not to goxt he tried to keep this campaign on the issues like minimum wage and health care and trade policy and making college affordable. and that's why he's doing so well in this campaign because he's talking about these substantive issues and people can make their own judgments about what is reported about the other issues.
>> bern mee sanie sanders will speaking about this. >> i don't anticipate he will, yes -- no. >> depends on what he's asked, why everyone would like to -- >> debbie wasserman schultz, you heard manu's report, maybe she's not the best person to lead the party and unify the party. do you want her out, jeff? >> i think what the party needs and the senator spoke about this the other day on sunday television, what the party needs is a person at the end of the dnc who can help unify the party and bring the various factions of the party together. we have had good relations with many people at the dnc, i and others talked with senior dnc people on a regular basis. but there has been -- debbie wasserman schultz has been unfair in many respects going back as early as the scheduling of the debates and scheduling on weekends and scheduling only a few cutting off the sanders data right before iowa in a move that
was at least privately denounced by many people at the dnc. she came out aefand tried to pu gasoline on the whole nevada thing. if there's been a pattern of conduct which calls into question whether she can really be the kind of unifying force we need in the democratic party. >> do you want to see her go? >> well, i think someone else could play a more positive role. >> that's one way of saying yes, jeff? >> i'm trying to be diplomatic. >> and diplomatic you are. one more thing to ask you about, you said to jeff -- you're jeff. you said to john just last night that senator barbara boxer when she said at the nevada democratic convention that she feared for her safety, you seem to suggest that she was lying about the fact because she was blowing kisses as she left the stage and she was walking off, you said it was incongruous, the
fact she feared for her safety. that's what you said. but she said that to me, that she feared for her safety. you stick by that? you seem to think that she was lying, yes? >> no, that was not my word. that was john's word. i never used that word. would not use that word. but it does seem incongruous that someone would be fearing for their life and what you see in the video of the blowing of the kisses -- >> she didn't say she was fearing for her life. she said she feared for her safety. does that distinction make a difference? >> no, she said she feared for her safety and she is in a video that's widely available online, shown shown blowing kisses at the sanders people who are obviously upset during the whole process. it does not seem to match up. that's all i said. it was john's word. >> i did use -- i asked you if
you thought she was lying last night when you told it was incongruous her actions and what she was saying, does that mean she's saying something and doing another? saying something she does not believe to be true? >> i have no idea what in the senator's head, all i'm saying she said one thing to kate and if you watch the video and put the two together, they don't seem to line up. >> you don't know what's in her head but it's possible she was fearing for her safety, correct? >> i think people can make their own judgments, john. jo think my opinion is necessarily all that important. people will listen to the interview and watch the video, they can come to their own conclusions. >> jeff weaver, thanks so much. we really appreciate it. >> i'm always glad to be here. nice talking to both of you. >> thank you very much. we just spoke with jeff weaver about this incident in nevada. was does barbara boxer have to say about all of it? she's going to be joining us
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for music? you lived it. >> mtv was everything. i remember just being an avid fan of mtv and i'd stay home just to watch the world premieres of these incredible videos from michael jackson to you name it, prince. i was fortunate later in life to work with two of these legends, music videos were everything back then. >> you have to collaborate with just about everybody. name names now. i don't want you to be diplomatic about it. who was your absolute favorite? >> i have lots of favorites but i'm most grateful to janet jackson and the jacksons were basically discovering me. when i was humble little laker girl and i went on to choreography the likes of george michael, aretha franklin, zz top, duran duran, even tom hanks an dan aykroyd and the oscars.
incredible times and of course coming to america and jerry mcguire, i transformed val kilmer to become jim morrison in the doors movie. >> i did not know about "coming to america." now you're even more of a star in my mind. >> we're showing video of it for our viewers on the side of the screen. let's talk about what you were doing at the white house. you're there to bring attention to something that is an issue that is very important to both john and i. we were talking about it just this morning, bringing high quality arts programs to schools and children to school age kids across the country. understandable why this is near and dear to your heart. but what are you hoping to do? >> there are over 6 million youth students that don't get to experience any arts education in their schools and thanks so much to the first lady's support and initiative, turnaround arts is doing just that. and i adopted a school in
brooklyn, ps165, and i've been working with these incredible kids. and you know, needless to say what arts does, it's so important that people forget, it's the first time that a young child gets to find and align themselves with passion. that passion drives them forward. it creates amazing self-esteem, great comradery and dance as well. dance is the mother of all languages, you don't have to dance in french or greek. you just dance and that's a visual medium and it transcends all language barriers. i've seen so much improvement not only with their self-esteem but also happiness and their attendance in school raises. it's so important. i can't imagine having grown up without the love finding my passion. >> and too many kids are having to go through the school system, thank you for your work. we've got to get kids in schools
getting exposed to the arts of all time. >> thanks for having fun with us too. >> thank you so much. >> don't forget to tune into cnn tomorrow night for an all new episode of the '80s, 9:00 eastern tomorrow night only on cnn. the bernie sanders campaign manager hitting back at senator barbara boxer for saying that supporters made her fear for her safety. senator boxer will be joining us to respond and discuss ahead.
>> so just what happened at the nevada democratic state convention earlier this month? state party officials blasted the sanders campaign for what they saw is a flow tepid response to the chaos that played out. hillary clinton supporter barbara boxer came on our program and said she was there. she was speaking before them and trying to calm the crowd. she was booed off the stage and said she feared for her safety at that convention. >> bernie sanders jeff weaver said a few minutes ago, he has issues with the senator's version of what happened because of this video looking at right now looking at the senator blowing kisses to the crowd there. barbara boxer joining us now. thank you so much for being with us. we get to the back and forth in just a moment but first, to the
breaking news. we just learned the state department's inspector general for his review of the whole e-mail issue has determined that hillary clinton did not comply with the state department rules when it comes to her use of a private e-mail server at the state department. your reaction to this report? >> reporter: what you're reading out of that is the state department's stating in its conclusion that every single secretary of state did the same thing. and i have it here. i'm not reading it. i want to show your viewers. this is the conclusion. they don't even mention hillary's name. they basically say the department of state and the office of the secretary since colin powell did not follow the exact rules of preserving the electronic communications. i think that's the key here for hillary. i'm feeling. >> the others are not running for president. >> let me finish the point. we know this has been a systemic problem period all through since colin powell and people could take that to heart.
hillary stated looking back on it, she should have done things differently. she did hand over 55,000 e-mails, which by the way, her predecessors destroyed all their personal e-mails. so yeah. i mean, i think at the end of the day when people read the conclusion of what they'll find out is that the department of state and the office of the secretary of state going back to colin powell did not keep and retain these records. print at the mails and keep them in a file and going forward, they will do so. >> this does not concern and definitely will be an issue her opponents will bring up. let's get to -- >> let me put this way. they try to tear down hillary clinton. i could tell you after reading the entire report and focusing on it, this is what i said in the beginning. a baloney sandwich because they all did the wrong thing. she was the only one and she apologized for it.
>> it was more critical of hillary clinton's use of the private e-mails server than any other secretary of state. >> that's well and good, but the bottom line is the bottom line. we live in a world that has a lot of issues in it. and when you read a conclusion of a taxpayer-funded report and it doesn't even mention secretary by name, i think you can gather that this is a systemic problem and, by the way, it's a problem. hillary has stated as she looked back so i'm sure now secretary kerry is retaining any and all personal e-mails if using them. >> jeff weaver was on here on the program and said you feared for your safety. he questioned that. in several different ways. john last night, and again this morning, said the fact that you say you fear for your safety and then contest were blowing kisses as leaving the stage, that doesn't match up.
>> i don't know why mr. weaver, whom i don't know, wants to pick a fight with me. i'm a really good friend of bernie and i call bernie on the phone and we had a very warm conversation. and i told bernie 50 to 100 of his supporters were out of control. they were six feet from me. i think i described it to you when we did the interview and it was extremely intimidating and it was a frightening situation and i feared for my safety because frankly, they were so close to me, i don't know what they could have done. could they have thrown something or rushed the stage? i didn't know what was going to happen. but here's the thing. i want to set the stage because it's critical. before i spoke, i walked into the room and it was out of control. and a very nice state senator tried to calm things down. he was introducing me to no avail. and then they even called up the bernie sanders supporter to try and get the people to move back and to be quiet. that didn't work.
now at that point, i could have walked away. but you know, i'm tough and i don't do that. i thought, i can get this under control. i tried. i said, look, i'm a friend of bernie's. bernie asked for civility. while i was on that stage, remember, i was there to represent hillary clinton and they had thousands of people in that room who i couldn't really hear and i said a few nice things about my candidate, hillary clinton, the fact that she has won nevada fair and square, that made them even worse and finally, remember, there were obscene things being shouted at me which i think on the tape, unfortunately, and obscene gestures. at that point, the security escorted me down off the stage. i no longer fear for my safety. i was headed to the exit and they were following me with more of these vile comments. i used a sense of humor and blew them kisses. and if he doesn't have a sense of humor, i don't know.
i just try to diffuse it any way i could. let me be clear. i did not diffuse the situation. so where are we now? why are we looking back i say to mr. weaver? we try to win the election to unify, not go back and pick fights with one another and i'm not picking a fight with him. he wasn't there, you know? >> senator, there's some senators suggesting on capitol hill that debbie wasserman-schultz is not the best pick to continue to lead the democratic party heading into the convention. jeff weaver, moments ago, told us perhaps a different person would be better. your reaction? >> my reaction is who are these senators? who are they? >> clair mccaskill did not give a full defense. >> you said there are senators calling for her to resign. i haven't heard of that. i'm with my colleagues. no one said it and in all the
meetings i've been in in terms of looking forward, the senators hope to do a presentation, like they usually do at the convention, wherever debbie or her staff has been, they have been so fair to both sides and i've marvelled that they've been really good so i don't see what the problem is with debbie. i really don't. and i don't know why we would. she's in a difficult situation, you know? she's the chair. >> a senator say she may be getting too toxic. you do not agree? >> what senator? >> manu raju speaking to senators on the hill. he's a fabulous reporter. i'm speaking to him in confidence and i know you know manu raju is a very good reporter. >> after 40 years in election, if you believe something, look in the camera and say it. don't do some anonymous, don't quote me. because that's wrong. if somebody has a problem, chapter, verse, what is it? i watched her handle a very
difficult primary and one of the problems in life is everybody says, it's all this one's fault. it's that one's fault. or that one is contemptcontempt. we're all trying to make the best which is why, i know i have to stop, thank you. >> senator, thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you, senator. >> thank you also for joining us at this hour. >> "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts now. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." could a messy situation in new mexico lead to chaos in california? donald trump set to hold a rally in anaheim where protests are, again, expected. the police are hoping there won't be a repeat of the melee that was last night. and this is what i'm talking about. the pictures on your screen tell the story. anti-trump demonstrators in new mexico lighting