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a lot of breaking news we're continuing to follow tonight. the continuing fallout from violence at trump campaign events, the possibility of a paul ryan endorsement and more. stay tuned to cnn for all of it. that does it for us, thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. california dreaming but donald trump and hillary clinton take the gloves off in the golden state. this is "cnn tonight." to get to the white house you have to go through california and both candidates are r campaigning there today. trump telling supporters he has a great relationship with latino voters and warning of a clinton victory in november. >> if she wins -- and i hope she doesn't -- but if she wins you better get used to it because you'll have nothing but turmoil and nothing but four more years of obama and you can't take that. >> clinton slamming trump for his plan to throw undocumented immigrants out of the u.s.
>> pay attention to what donald trump says because he's telling you what he wants to do. he does want to have a deportation force to round up 11 million people to deport them. >> it seems to get worse everyday, that's because it does. let's begin with jim acosta covering the campaign for us. how did trump respond to that state department inspector general report about secretary clinton's use of a private e-mail server? >> well, don, as expected he went right on offense and according to trump campaign sources i've talked to, this is what they're hoping to bring up throughout the course of this general election campaign, that every time hillary clinton has a scandal it reminds the american people that this is what went on during the '90s when her husband was president, that it's always something the clintons. and you heard donald trump going in that direction in an event in anaheim here outside of los angeles earlier this evening. here's what donald trump had to say earlier today.
>> crooked hillary. she's as crooked as they come. she had a little bad news today, as you know, from some reports came down weren't so good. but the inspector general's report not good. but i want to run against hillary. not -- i just want to run against her. >> we should point out hillary clinton has been talking about donald trump's activities during the housing crisis and his comments that he liked to go in and buy real estate on the cheap and make money. i'm told by a trump campaign showers that if hillary clinton continues to go down that road they're going to bring up the whitewater affair from the 1990s. so, yes, we're going back to the 1990s.
the trump campaign put out a statement saying he has left the campaign but i'm told by sources this was not a voluntary departure. there were grumblings he was not getting the job done and donald trump was fielding calls of complaints about this particular staffer. the other thing we should mention, donald trump and paul ryan, the speaker of the house, are scheduled to have a phone conversation tonight to talk about a whole other matter and that is whether or not the speaker will eventually endorse donald trump. i'm told they'll give the speaker as much time as he needs. >> let's get back to the housing crisis thing because donald trump went after elizabeth warren, though, who has been taking him on, jim. >> that's right. he did. and elizabeth warren savaged donald trump last night where she said he was small and money grubbing.
he has been on a rampage going after elizabeth warren in recent weeks. poking fun at comments she's made in the past claiming she's made of native american heritage. donald trump went right back at that today in anaheim. here's what he had to say. >> i was being hit by the republicans, by pocahontas. pocahontas. that's this elizabeth warren. i call her goofy. she is -- no, no, goofy. she gets nothing done in the united states senate, nothing passed, she has a big mouth and that's it. >> i'm not sure donald trump will admit this but elizabeth warren has managed to do something amazing. we saw donald trump go through 16 different republican candidates. not many of them got under his
skin but elizabeth warren seems to have gotten under his skin and she enjoy this is fight. she has been tweeting relentless relentlessly in almost the same style he uses, she tweeted he was unqualified to be president of the united states. this will go on for some time and raise speculation as to whether or not elizabeth warren might be the ticket when it comes to hillary clinton's running mate because she has been a very useful attack dog as vice presidential running mates usually are. >> and she has nothing to lose right now. advice from my mother, don't mess with someone who has less to lose than you do. that's why she is enjoying this. thank you, appreciate that. >> good advice. >> jim acosta. cnn's jeff zeleny is in california and you have some reporting on elizabeth warren that trump viewed. what's the latest? >> well, there's no question the clinton campaign is loving every minute of this. every tweet elizabeth warren sends out. everything that she says about
donald trump. their messages are somewhat in coordination here but it really represents a warming of something of a freeze between hillary clinton and elizabeth warren. elizabeth warren is one of four u.s. senators, only four, who has not endorsed anyone in this race. she still hasn't endorsed either side but by going after donald trump so aggressively the clinton campaign finally believes she's coming to their side and they believe she could play a pivotal role here in bridging this divide between bernie sanders supporters, progressives and the clinton campaign know on the running mate thing, no one has any idea what hillary clinton is thinking about this. she will be considered i'm told because she's a very prominent, popular democrat who's a good communicator and has a big following. there's drawbacks, though, here as well, politically speaking
from massachusetts, the governor is a republican, if she was on the ticket her replacement in the senate would be a republican that would affect the balance of power so they have different styles but probably too early to say if she's on the short list for sure but they're enjoying everything she has to say, don. >> i'm sure they are. let's get back to the business of this ig report today did the secretary address the report that raised questions about her e-mail server? >> she did not directly address this. she was campaigning here in california at a couple stops. reporters tried to ask her all afternoon she didn't answer any of those questions. her campaign spokesman is saying and her aides are saying she's complied with everything, there's nothing new here, all this is old information but the reality is, don, it's not. she has said repeatedly for the last year or so that she is just
following the president of other secretaries of state. well, this report was quite scathing in terms of saying she did not ask permission to have a private server. if she had she would have been told no she did not agree to talk to anyone in the inspector general's office at the state departme department. so here you have president obama's state department today saying hillary clinton was not doing all this on the up and up. that's a problem for her because of trust the one thing the clinton campaign is trying to work thing, the one thing they're trying to bridge among undecided independent moderate voters, what have you, is trust, she has a trust deficit and this deepens that. >> jeff zeleny in los angeles. thank you, jeff. i want to bring in dennis prager, nationally syndicated talk show host and cnn political commentator bob beckel. unleash the talking heads. can i say talking heads? i guess i can. good evening to both of you.
dennis, what about that state department secretary general report say. it says "at a minimum secretary clinton should have surrendered all e-mails before leaving public service and because she did not do so she did not comply with the department's policies implemented in accordance with the federal records act." right now this rule, this rule breaking is not criminal behavior but do you expect to see this go further? >> in terms of an indictment, only god knows and perhaps the head of the fbi or the department of justice specifically. but in terms of politically, it has to go on. if i may take the big picture, we don't have wonderful candidates. i say this with terrible sadness as an american who loves his country. the characters of both are very flawed. the one great difference is that she truly has put her own fortunes above that of her
country. you can't say that about trump. he has just put his fortunes as primary in his life. but she as secretary of state and before and after has put the country second to her fortunes and if that is not a political issue than i don't know what is. >> bob, what do you think? >> i don't agree on that. i don't think she put her country second in anything. but here's the problem. the big issue for her will be what the fbi decides, obviously, and we don't know that yet. but the inspector general's report, the problem is as your reporter said, the trust factor for hillary clinton has been looming over her from the very beginning. it's one of the reasons her unfavorables are as high as they are and that is because of a collection of issues that happened in the '90s that have stuck. i don't think people care about e-mail servers. it's the cumulative part of this. so right now she needs to get
this behind her, as soon as she sits down with the fbi the better as far as i'm concerned. as for donald trump, donald trump's got plenty of things he's got to answer for that haven't been put before him yet and when they are we'll see whether he'll answer. >> let's talk to the issue of trust dennis is talking about. the issue of trust and transparency. bob, according to the report, clinton and several staff members declined to be interviewed. why would she decline? does s that to limit liability and just talk to the fbi because she would have to talk to them? she doesn't have to talk to the ig? >> i can't answer that for you. i would assume there were two parallel investigations going on and she didn't want to say one thing in one and then at least on the edge of another. i think she wanted to let the fbi go forward. she's talked to the inspector general's office and filed an answer to a series of questions in writing but look it's still not an issue that will knock her out of the race unless she gets indicted. even if she is she could beat
donald trump. trump is at the best of times right now. the only good time he'll have after this is when he accepts his party's nomination. because he has not been hit hard. look what happened with elizabeth warren. goes after him, he can't stand it. he's got such a thin skin, which is amazing to me that he blew up the way he did and he continue control that. people said he got beat up by the people on the republican stage in the debates. that's wrong. they agreed on where they were in the issues. >> do you think donald trump is a bully, bob? >> absolutely. one of the worst i've seen. >> if i believe he's a bully, bullies are typically thin skinned. >> that's correct. >> don, if i may -- yeah, go ahead. may i ask bob a question? i don't know if this is allowed. >> it's awe allowed but you have 20 seconds. >> all right, maybe he'll answer afterwards then.
does bob, whom i really do like and i want him on hi show for his fine autobiography. i'm letting the listeners know. >> ten seconds. >> but bob i want to know, do you really believe she did not put herself above her country with her own server while she was secretary of state? >> bob, don't answer that. that's a perfect tease. thank you, dennis. don't answer that, we'll answer it after the break, don't go anywhere. the e-class has 11 intelligent driver-assist systems. it recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and radar detect dangers you don't. and it can even stop by itself. so in this crash test, one thing's missing: a crash. the 2016 e-class. lease the e350 for $499 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. world saleilton is on honors members save up to 25% on brands like
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>> back with me now dennis prager and bob beckel. debs any was asking bob before the break did he really believe secretary clinton put herself before her country. >> well, the answer to that is no. unless somebody can show me a specific leak of an e-mail that caused national security damage to the united states, i don't think that you could say she put her country at risk. was it a smart move? no. has it come back to haunt her. >> why did she do it, bob? bob, why did she do it? >> i'll take her at her word, it was easier for her to deal with it at one place than scattered places, i don't know. >> there was a note in -- in the inspector general's report there is a message saying that once when the server went down that she didn't want to send e-mails because she didn't want personal e-mails getting out so that has nothing do with it being simpler, bob. >> no, but i wonder what personal e-mails have to do with anything anyway. >> bob, i'm disappointed.
i love you, as you know. i admit the character flaws of my candidate. i'm stuck with him, why don't you admit, she's awful, she has put her country second to her own ambitions, she earned $21 million in speeches. why? because she's a great speaker? she's one of the most boring speakers in american history. she got $21 million in speeches because she's corrupt. >> she is one of the most experienced politicians out there, though, being the first lady, a senator, also the secretary of state, but go on, bob. >> you know, i don't think it's unusual for people to get those kind of speaking fees, if i remember ronald reagan got $2 million to speak to the japanese. but the point is do i think she's the ideal candidate? no, do i think in this climate she is? no. because there is a -- >> do you think she's honest? >> as a matter of fact i do think she's honest. i shi she's been beat up so much over so many years she comes across as defensive yet all the
thing shs he things she's been through, benghazi or white water, nobody has been able to lay a finger on her. >> lay a finger -- what? >> hold on, we'll do it another time. >> what she said to the parents of the murdered people -- >> we have more than five months to deal with this. i want to talk more about the campaign. sources are telling cnn that trump and paul ryan will speak on the phone tonight. how do you think that will go, dennis? >> oh, it 50s hard for me to imagine that over the course of time that paul ryan will not ultimately endorse him because he is facing the exact same issue as i am as a conservative republican which i proudly announce myself to be and that is that the only alternative to donald trump is four more years of the left running the country. and that is such a nightmare to those of us who believe the left have ruined our university, ruined our economy, ruined our
military. >> why isn't he done it already? >> why hasn't he done it already? because he would like it seems to me that he would like trump to move in his direction and i think it's an honorable thing for him to take his time, not immediately jump on the bandwagon. i think ryan has comported himself with great dignity. >> why do you think he hasn't endorsed him already? >> i'll take him at his word. he's a very straight shooter and believes in the conservative agenda and many things, not just a few, but many things trump has said run counter to what paul ryan believes. in the end will paul ryan endorse him? yes. will it matter? i don't think so. paul ryan has to protect his majority in the house which he's worried about as they are in the senate. one of the things that's percolating up here is why has not donald trump released his income taxes? every presidential candidate in the history of our country since we had income tax has done that
and for some run donald trump refuses to do it. he doesn't get that attack everyday but when the team hits the field and and there's going to be formidable people on it including barack obama and elizabeth warren, to take on donald trump he'll have to answer these questions, he won't get away with calling somebody lazy or no energy and move on. >> actually, a brief today in. to the best of my knowledge it's only been 30 years, not since the invention of the income tax. it's only been 30 years. frankly i don't believe that any presidential or any other candidate should have to release their income tax forms. it's none of my damn business as a citizen, i couldn't care less what they earn, how much charity they give. it would be a nice thing to know but it's not my business. there has to be some realm of privacy -- >> what if you found out they weren't paying taxes? >> if they weren't paying taxes the irs should indict them. if they have legally not paid
taxes i would like to know what american, what one american who pays more than he has to. >> well, i don't know, maybe you -- but you learn a lot about it. offshore money. that's legal, but has he done it? has he hired people to come in from overseas to build his buildings, yes. is it illegal? no, but it runs in the face of what he said. that's the problem. >> dennis, i want to ask you about donald trump attacking new mexico governor susanna martinez last night. was that a smart move on his start why would he do that? >> because the filter between donald trump's mind and his mouth is not effective that's why. i have no excuse to make. i think it was extremely stupid. >> bob beckel? >> i would add stupid. this woman was considered for
vice president early on in the process and he has made that state more of a blue state in one day than it should be. he's got to start looking at delegate counts, the electoral college, new mexico, we've won it before but not often. you take a -- your hand on and slap around a popular republican governor and you're not helping yourself. >> thank you, gentlemen. always interesting when you're on, especially together. up next, will the state department's report on clinton's e-mails hurt her on the campaign trail? we'll discuss.
hillary clinton's e-mail controversy not going away even though she's tried to put it behind her several times. look at this. >> my personal e-mail use was fully above board. it was allowed by the state department as they have confirmed. the truth is everything i did was permitted and i went above and beyond what anybody could have expected in making sure that if the state department didn't capture something, i made a real effort to get it to them. >> i want to talk about that with jeffrey toobin. cnn's senior legal analyst, mr.
carl bernstein, the author of "a woman in charge, the life of hillary rodham clinton" and l n lanny davis, former white house special council to president clinton. carl, you first, it was found that secretary clinton violated federal rules in setting up a private server at her home. what did she do wrong and why is this such a big deal now? >> because it's rather indefensible. there is no defense, it was reckless and irresponsible, it may have endangered the national security and she wasn't truthful about it. that said it's part of an accumulating problem she has of distrust, the so-called liar factor that's been talked about all day on cnn and the other networks. and she's up against a candidate donald trump who can outlie her almost anybody else about 7-1 if we subject him to real tests of truth. so we have a pretty undesirable
situation going on with these two candidates right now. >> all of you know brian fallon, the campaign secretary. he spoke about it a few minutes ago. >> if she didn't get approval, doesn't that mean she broke the rules? >> no wolf. it was confirmed that the rules that were cited that were disallowed for use for personal work purposes were enacted after she left. at the time she took office and for the duration of her ten dwlur the use of personal e-mail for work purposes was not disallowed and in in fact as documented in great detail about the report, personal e-mail was utilized by 90 plus different officials at the state department that they looked at including two other secretaries of state besides hillary
clinton. so the practice was widespread. >> lanny, that's not what the report says. how do you square what is happening with the report? >> well, i don't know how you read the report, you can pick and choose the negatives and the positives. i chose the positives. i haven't read the report but i've read the news reports. >> so you cherry picked material that was favorable to your candidate and that's what you're going to go with tonight on this program? >> just as all day on cnn and certainly, with all due respect, carl focused on the negative interpretation but i'll just deal with facts. >> let's just deal with the truth. that's not what the report said and fallon is contradicting what the report says. >> fact number someone that this was a practice long done in the state department. >> no one has had a server in their home except secretary clinton. >> including secretary powell. everyone missed business and personal. fact two is that 90% of her
e-mails were addressed to state.g state.gov e-mail addresses. no hiding. three, the speculation about the server compromising anything, the inspector general said there is no evidence he server was compromised. >> okay, hold on. one of the points in the report pointed out that she said she did not want to mix her personal with the -- she didn't want anyone to see her personal e-mails. so she is in fact hiding something. >> well, the personal privacy of e-mails, there isn't a government official who has a personal private e-mail account that wants those personal e-mails seen by the public and that is a perfectly appropriate and understandable reason for her to have the private server. my last fact that was in the report that didn't get mentioned tonight is that the inspector general said there's no evidence her server was compromised. we already know the state department server has been
compromised and hacked by foreign governments. so this notion of any compromise to our national security is pure speculation. >> jeffrey toobin, i stole the money but i didn't get caught. i don't know if that's -- that's a direct analogy but is that an accuse? her server may have been more secure than the government server so therefore it's okay? >> well, i don't think that's a fair analogy because it's important to point out there is nothing in the this report that suggests criminal behavior by hillary clinton. this is a political problem, not a legal problem, at least as far as this report goes but it's a real political problem. they set up this ridiculous system for her which was not in conformity with the rules of the state department. that much is clear. she broke the rules of the state department. that is not a criminal violation, that is not something that can get you indicted, but the report could not be clearer that she did not follow the
rules. that is a political problem. it -- it compounds the political problem that these e-mails have presented for her for the whole time but you need to keep in the perspective. it's not a criminal offense and this does not really affect the much more important fbi investigation which presumably will come to a close in the next few months. that is where the real risk to her is. >> to be clear, as i said earlier, it was a bad analogy, sorry for that, but there appears to be as you said nothing illegal and nothing this that you can see, jeffrey, which will lead at this point to an indictment? >> no. wreb the whole issue of the indictment in the criminal investigation relates to the misuse potentially of classified information. classified information is not what today's report is about. it's about the procedures in place at the state department which she did not follow but that is not a criminal offense,
it is a violation of her own department's policies which is certainly a problem but it's not something the criminal justice system gets involved in. >> carl, the report says two state department staffers did raise concerns about the server and were told it was approved and they shouldn't ask again. what are the implications of that? >> the implications of all of this are that hillary clinton did not want her e-mails subjected to the freedom of information act or subpoenas from congress. that's why she set up a home brew server. i think we all know that. people around her will tell you that in private if you really get them behind a closed door. i was in washington this week, i spoke to a number of top democratic officials and they're terrified including people at the white house that her campaign is in freefall because of this distrust factor and trump has a similar problem but she's the one whose numbers are going south and the great hope in the white house as well as the democratic leadership and people who support her is that
she can get to this convention, get the nomination which they're no longer 100% sure of and get president obama out there to help her. she has a lot of credibility, the election is partly about his legacy but she needs all the help she can get because her campaign is in huge trouble blue it's a long time against a candidate like donald trump who has tremendous negatives and an awful record in business in many regards that the democrats and hillary clinton are going to attack. >> jeffrey, did she lie in her previous statements about the e-mails? >> i don't think lying is the right term. she was not -- this was a very confusing situation. she was not fully candid -- boy, i sound like a lawyer, don't i? >> that's because you are. >> i don't think it was a lie but it was not an ideal way to present what the story was. >> lanny, do you think this is going to resonate.
>> she knows she did not lie and there's not a singing fact that shows any security was compromised. the trust issue is a concern but it's not about e-mails, all the data in every poll shows bernie sanders has it right, that voters in the democratic party and in most polls don't care about the e-mail issue, this is groundhog day on cnn and day eju all over again. after the convention when we compare hillary clinton's solutions to donald trump's recklessness, we'll have something to talk about. >> lanny, carl, jeffrey, i know you are but what am i? you're an attorney. thing very much, see you later. coming up, more on the possible fallout from the state department's report. we'll be right back. and please, don't "do" paris. live in paris. airbnb a loft in south pigalle, or a flat in the fourth. read a book. make your bed. leave the kids with dad and go head to head with your host laura, she's good.
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hillary clinton's e-mail report sparks a new round of political cross fire. republicans charge she can't be trusted. democrats claim her use of personal e-mail is nothing new. who's right? let's discuss, we have a senior advisor to donald trump and a former contestant on "the apprentice," republican political consultant john bray
bander is here. nina turner, the former ohio state senator and bernie sanders supporter and mo lathy, ahead of georgetown university's institute of politics and a former spokesman for the 2008 hillary clinton campaign. thank you for joining me this evening. mo, you first. i have to ask you for a response to this inspector general report, no evidence the secretary requested or obtained guidance or approval to conduct official business via a person e-mail account on her private server. what's your response to that? >> look the campaign went out aggressively saying she did nothing wrong and that it's consistent with what she said and people will keep talking about it. i don't think that's the best thing. i don't think they want to keep talking about this. are voters going to sit there and make a decision based on
where she sent e-mail from or kept a server? this is going to be a negative campaign, a lot of stuff flying both ways, trust is going to be a big issue and campaigns are about choices. when they put this up against what they'll see from donald trump on the issue of trust i think she'll end up okay. >> nina, i've been meaning to ask you about this, is it time for senator sanders to talk about her damn e-mails now? >> the senator has not wanted to go down that road even in light of what the ig has to say. he wants to continue to talk about the issues but the report is what it is. the ig is an unbiased person in all of this just conducting the investigation and democrats are going to have to deal with that but i think i agree with mo in that ultimately it's going to be up to the voter whether or not this matters to them and they will weigh in at the ballot box.
but let us not for get if the secretary is the democratic not knee and we're still calling mr. trump the presumptive but by all intents and purposes he is, those two people have the highest unapproval ratings of any presidential candidates in the history of this country so those things will all weigh on the voter. >> since nina brought up donald trump, let's talk about donald trump since you are the official person for him. he has his own legal issues. she's facing multiple lawsuits over trump university. can the clinton team use his legal problems to shut down attacks against her? >> no, not at all. trump university may be under -- it is under legal investigation but there's been numerous people who have gone through the courses and have said wonderful things about it. so secretary clinton has got a whole other set of problems that have nothing to do with anything mr. trump's been involved in and that is dishonesty and fraud and things of that nature. she needs to concentrate, i
believe, on making sure she takes down bernie sanders so she can concentrate on clearing up or letting the american voters know what happened with his e-mail server. >> we played this earlier but i want to play it again, donald trump on the clinton news at his rally in anaheim today. listen. >> crooked hillary. she's as crooked as they come. she had a little bad news today as you know from some reports came down, wosht so good. but -- not so good. the inspector general's report, not good. but i want to run against hillary. not -- i just want to run against her. >> i mean, he's chomping at the bit to run against hillary clinton. this is for you, john. are democrats setting themselves up for losing campaign. >> as a republican strategist i sure hope so but look this was a really big deal today because the report said two things -- one is that she was deceptive and number two she was wrong.
so now we'll move the debate from did hillary clinton do something wrong to what type of damage did she do to our national security? the fact her campaign is trying to say oh, this is nothing, nothing was here. if they sincerely believed this they should do random drug testing at the hillary clinton for president campaign because this is a big deal that people will talk about and it goes right to the heart of why people don't like the clintons. >> is john brabender right there? >> no. and i honestly believe that -- this the kind of thing that voters who everyday all they want to know is who's looking out for me. is anyone out there going to get my back? how many people look at the
whole notion and say -- >> so you're saying the loudest people aren't the majority. because most of what we hear about, if you read social media, look at polls people talk about the e-mails. they talk about trust and unfavorability ratings, they're not necessarily talking as much about other issues as you are saying here. >> don't get me wrong. there is a trust issue that her campaign has to deal with. both candidates have boll numbers that i don't think they necessarily love but what i'm saying is in an election that is a choice when they were trying to figure out which candidate will wake up everyday and look out for me and the best that the trump people can throw out is e-mails and what the clinton people are throwing out about him is trump u or his position on the housing crisis wanting to benefit off that. i think at the end of the day they won't look at the e-mail thing and say that's the most
relevant piece of information. >> but this isn't a choice -- >> hang on, i have to get to a break. i'll let you respond on the other side. house speaker paul ryan shoots down rules he's ready to endorse donald trump. is this a bump in the road or sign of a bigger split in the republican party. we'll discuss that on the other side. radio anncr: scorching heat today, stay cool out there! walter! stop suffering with hot ac - cool it yourself with a/c pro. in just 3 easy steps, enjoy the comfort of 2 times the cooling boosters from the #1 selling coldest air. nothing cools like a/c pro.
gum® brand. house speaker paul ryan has not endorsed donald trump. joining me no, mo elleithee, john brabender -- i think you were taking issue that with what mo was saying the american people may be tuning out. >> but she was saying this will be a choice between donald trump and hillary clinton and i don't believe that's the case. i think this is a movement election where the choice is between the status quo where people feel we're getting sand kicked in our face all over the world, benghazi type decisions, gridlock, or somebody who will shake the heck out of everything and if that's what the election becomes a referendum on, not only does it favor trump but these things about this report today do matter.
>> and that's why we need bernie sanders to go head to head with mr. trump. >> how did i know you were going say that? >> this is an anti-establishment election on both the left and the right. people are really lefting their voices. although the voters have a big decision to make -- democrats will have to make a decision. we can not ignore what the ig said for political expediency. what the ig said was an unbiased report. at the same time it's ultimately going to be up to the voters but senator bernie sanders is the best candidate and don i told you last night it will be drama, drama, drama if it's secretary clinton versus mr. trump it will you put senator bernie sanders in there and it will be primarily about the issues. it becomes a different debate. >> you may be forgetting donald trump is on the other side over there. >> i know, but still. >> let's move on.
tana, donald trump, your candidate. let's talk about house speaker paul ryan. do you think he's struggling what to do? what will it take to close the gap between the two men? >> it will be another meeting and once mr. trump gets with paul ryan i think it will happen. he has no choice, i would think, but to get behind the presumptive nominee. i don't even like to say the presumptive word but i will until he becomes it. so it's a matter of time and i don't know what the holdup is but who am i to push them along? >> i'm very much excited to what the verdict will be and nothing but support is what we're seeing here on the gop side. >> there was supposed to be a phone call tonight and i don't know if anyone has checked twitter to see if donald trump
has said anything but it's late, they must have spoken. >> last i knew he was at a fund-raiser raising lots of money. >> paul ryan said he sees too much bitterness in politics. look at this. >> leaders need to say here's my solution and let's do it in a way that's inclusive, optimistic and focusing on the solution. that's the choice you'll have. we don't win personality contests but we win ideas contest. >> is that a shot against donald trump's bow? is he saying donald trump isn't inclusive or principled. >> that video was shot at the millennial town hall he did at georgetown last month.
and he wants to reach out to a constituency that he hasn't been able to get. but both sides have been divisive and bitter. that turns young people off. we have to do better. i do not think it was a mistake that that video went out today, the day after donald trump's pretty widely panned speech in new mexico it kind of resorted to the same divisiveness that has -- that has swirled around his campaign in the beginning. >> when it comes to governor martinez. john, listen, donald trump has done well winning with his personality speeches that mo just talked about. george w. bush was no slouch in the personality department. is ryan right to say personalities don't win republican elections? >> well, i'm not sure it's that personalities don't. he's wrong with that but i do think he's trying to be sincere
in saying let's be careful with our rhetoric. it's not just on the republican side. we're seeing it on the democrat side as well and so i do think it is actually good advice. let's be honest. none of us believe it will happen. we just have to do v them do a duel and save time. >> you said it should just come down to the duel. thanks, everyone, appreciate it. coming up in our next hour, from the obama birther issue to vaccines and autism to the death of supreme court justice antonin scalia, donald trump often indulges those who believe in conspiracy theories. is he helping or hurting his campaign? we'll take a look. there are twoe who don't have access to basic banking, but that is changing. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time.
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donald trump and hillary clinton duking it out in california. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. it's 11:00 p.m. on the east coast but all the action in the race for the white house happening in the west. trump and clinton holding dueling rallies and denouncing each other. >> we have a person running for office who is not equipped to be preside president. she's got bad judgment. >> but i've concluded that donald trump doesn't seem to actually care about making america great so much as he cares about looking