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donald trump and hillary clinton duking it out in california. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. it's 11:00 p.m. on the east coast but all the action in the race for the white house happening in the west. trump and clinton holding dueling rallies and denouncing each other. >> we have a person running for office who is not equipped to be preside president. she's got bad judgment. >> but i've concluded that donald trump doesn't seem to actually care about making america great so much as he cares about looking great
himself. >> so much commotion at the trump rally, kyung lah joins us live. you were on the scene of the protest earlier today, how bad did it get? >> it started out as a gathering, about 150 people, quite loud, raucous, but it was contained. what happened was when trump left, when his speaking stop, the protest spilled into the street we saw a clash between protesters and the police department. the various police departments were on horse back. they tried to clear the streets. they warned the protesters. this is business for them. they need to open up the streets, they need to let people in anaheim have their streets back. when they did not listen to the police officers, they picked off the lead protesters. we were told there were no police officers injured and no property damage. >> a lot of discussion about who
the protesters are. describe them for us. old, young, what were they saying? >> predominantly young and what we notice in looking at this crowd, 150b9 of them, it was a good mix of predominantly anti-trump forces but also some pro-trump forces as well. so when you brought them together it was a toxic mix. they were screaming primarily about the issue of immigration. it's something potent here in a city of anaheim, predominantly latino city that's the anti-trump forces and the passions were so inflamed you saw it when they pulled out the trump pinata, the crowd, the anti-trump forces began to rip apart the trump pinata stuffed with mexican candy. they hoisted the head on top of a mexican flag then moved it to an american flag. so very inflamed group but passionate about this particular issue. often saying they believe donald trump is simply racist. >> kyung, great reporting, i
watched you all afternoon. kyung lah in los angeles. donald trump reaching out to california's large latino community today and i want to talk about this with republican strategist leslie sanchez, the author of "los republicanos, why hispanics and republican need each other" and ronald reyes, an opinion writer and a democrat. good to have both of you here. leslie, you say there are many latinos who appreciate trump's message and leadership style. how so? >> i think when you go across the country what you're seeing is there's naturally a divide. you have conservative democrats, former military who appreciate the strong leadership stance protecting america and thinking america first but there's a lot of frustration when it comes to his tone and rhetoric and borderlining nativism and there's no tolerance and acceptability far. that's the cross pressure this diverse community is facing. >> do you agree, raul? >> i would say i respectfully
disagree. this is someone you have to remember donald trump has generated enormous and well deserved antipathy in our latino communities from day one by insulting our community, belittling many national hispanic leaders, inciting and condoning violence at his rallies. he's on track to get the lowest number of latino votes in this election cycle since these numbers were ever recorded so this is not just a divisive figure but very personal. leslie says there are many latinos who still support trump. granted, there are some. we're a diverse electorate. i would say right now i believe the polling puts him at about 20% of the projected latino vote. i think fox news latino puts him at 23%, the highest i've seen. i predict come november after hillary clinton has deployed her surrogates, including cabinet members, latino celebrities, the grass-root activists, that will be cut in half. so they exist but it's a small number. >> i think trying to understand where the lad know vote is going
to go is like trying to mold jell-o. it's nimble and it's a dynamic fluid voting group. latino millennials are breaking away from the democratic party and supporting bernie sanders in large numbers and you have conservative democrats who are looking at a trump candidacy with serious consideration. there's a lot of -- a movement back and forth across party lines because latinos don't necessarily buy into political ideology, they're buying the candidate. this is not a advantage yule. they'll look and compare the potential of a donald trump versus a hillary clinton. >> leslie, you've said something interesting. and good to have you back on, haven't seen you on in a long time, at least not with me. appreciate your expertise and you as well because we reminisced about old times when i was on the weekend. here's what i would like to know. you talk about they like a candidate, they don't necessarily believe in political parties or ideology. so is it him immigration, people
say the wall is going to turn people off. is there enough of a divide in the latino community where they may disagree on a legal versus legal immigration. can he -- is he coalescing latinos who believe in legal immigration and have something against illegal immigration? leslie? >> sure. absolutely don, you're exactly right. for example, i went down to the u.s. -- mexico/texas border and you have so many individuals just as concerned about border enforcement and security. they don't necessarily believe donald trump will build a wall because they feel there's a natural interior border with the rio grande river. but that being said they want strong enforcement. they want a strong system that can basically allow labor to move legally and goods and services legally back and forth across any port of entry. >> but are there enough of those voters to be the majority?
to help him win the latino vo vote -- the election, raoul? >> no. [ laughter ] of the disapproval, it's 73% strongly disapprove. granted, i understand leslie sanchez's point that there are some latinos who back donald trump. but the overwhelming majority of latinos are against him. there's been -- the "new york times" has reported on the skyrocketing naturalizations, the rise in latinos turning out to register to vote. i guess the only good thing for the latino community is that he has mobilized so many people to show up and vote -- >> for him or against him? >> to vote against him. so there are pockets of support for donald trump but this is small. >> this is what donald trump said about new mexico's republican governor susan ma martinez. listen to this. >> she's not doing the job.
hey, maybe i'll run a for governor of new mexico. i'll get this place going. >> so she is a republican, a woman, hispanic, well liked within the party, very smart and accomplished woman. how did trump insulting her play today with the hispanic community? be honest with me, leslie? >> i think it was disastrous and the reason is she's -- her favorables may not be very high, but she's extremely popular among independents and democrats and it's 3-1 democrat outnumbered in terms of being a republican in a very blue state she's managed to bring people together and she is not playing politics or doesn't conform to a certain ideology i think she is looking out for the interest of new mexico so rather than separating somebody who could be a big power player within a campaign organization, it's always obviously better to bring
them in and she was his tent wa behiennd governor romney as wel >> governor john kasich is saying a similar thing. he said "governor martinez is an outstanding governor who has brought conservative reform to a blue state. she's exactly who our party and nominee should be lifting up and supporting, not tearing down." >> he is right. >> so why go after her? what's his strategy? >> hiss strategy is a scorched earth strategy. if you ask me as someone on the outside of his campaign, his strategy to alienate as many voters as possible. susanna ma susanna martinez is relatively popular, she's the first latina governor, but this is part of his pattern. he did the same thing with marco rubio during the primaries. they're always rough and tumble. he mocked anymore a way that has driven him and his supporters away forever, the one person he
has, the only major latino political figure he has not completely alienated is brian sandoval who said he would not endorse trump but has said i think on may 5 he would endorse the presumptive nominee. he would not say trump's name but he said he would endorse the nominee so we'll see if trump continues his pattern and insults brian sandoval as well. >> let's talk about a democrat because bernie sanders tweeted out "donald trump and his friends should realize that their bigotry is the past, not the future." but for trump it's very much about the future. build a wall today. why is it so personal for latinos, do you think? >> it's personal for latinos -- >> then i'll let you get in, leslie. >> we are descended from immigrants, whether you're first generation, third, fourth, fifth, we know undocumented people. the pew hispanic center says two-thirds of latinos personally know someone who is undocumented
so when donald trump is railing against what he calls drug dealers and mexicans who are rapist, these are undocumented people we know. it's not just policy, it's deeply personal. that's why it resonates so much. >> and why do you think donald trump could be successful at immigration reform? >> because there's a big nativist movement that's suspicious about amnesty and they are -- many are aligned with the donald trump campaign he may do something that no other republican or democrat could do and that is bring people together and have a real negotiated talk on comprehensive immigration reform if he chooses to do that. so there are opportunities here and with respect to that i think there are many latinos who don't see themselves as anything other than americans. they have the same kind of concerns but they want a president who is inclusive. so that will be the tone
argument. donald trump is not trying to win the latino vote but a republican nominee needs to be competitive by this is the high 30% or around 40% as we have been for the last 10 presidential elections so that's really where the marker is. can he move that 10 percentage points, maybe 2 percentage points to be competitive in november? i would argue he can. >> i would argue no way and we see that in the fact that no major latino political figure has endorsed him. and he will not get -- >> endorsements don't mat they are cycle. >> thank you, don. appreciate you coming on. up next, can trump win the white house without latino voters in we'll discuss that more. he likes to dabble in conspiracy theories as well. does that help or hurt with voters? we'll take a look. on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled
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secretary of state hillary clinton responding tonight to the state department report that slammed her use of a private e-mail server. here's what she told our affiliate kmes. >> there may be reports that have come out but nothing has changed. just like previous secretaries of state i used a personal e-mail. many people did. it was not unprecedented. i have turned over all of my e-mails. no one else can say that. i have been incredibly open about doing that. i will continue to be open and it's not an issue that will affect the campaign or my
presidency. >> let's discuss now. nina turner is here. former ohio state senator and bernie sanders senator supporter lanny and mo elleithee, the head of georgetown university's institute of politics and a former spokesman for the 2008 hillary clinton campaign. hillary clinton is weighing in. what do you think, tana? >> i think the american voter does need to know about this and does care about this. this is more a political problem than a legal problem and i think she's got a long way to go and a lot of democratic people are upset and republicans are thrilled now that the news broke that there's been dee de seat and people want to know about this so i'm glad it's coming to the surface and i hope they get to the bottom of it.
>> mo, she said nothing changed. >> >> and i'm not sure it did. we've been talking about these e-mails for months since before she got into the race. i'm not sure there's a tremendous amount of news here and i frankly think that, you know, folks may be getting a little weary to borrow from nina's candidate, senator bernie sande sanders. she's answered, she'll move forward, the trump campaign will throw it at her. if this is the best they got, i think she'll be okay. >> nina i'm sure you want to get in on this. nothing has changed? it's not a big deal or won't affect her campaign? >> i think what the difference here is that, yes, this story has been percolating for months now but a now we have the ig's report and i don't think as democrats we can thumb our nose
at that report it will be up to the voter but the ig is an unbiased investigated and has determined the secretary broke the rules. as democrats it's going to be a plit kag problem and we can't shake it off for political expediency here. this is real. now whether or not it will impact if she is the nominee and i still say if because my candidate is still raging on but this is -- this might be a problem, i won't say it's not for the sake of political unity here, this will be unit versus truth. >> she said there may be reports that come out but nothing has changed. it's the same story like previous secretaries of state, i used personal e-mail, many people did. i have turned over my e-mail, no one else can say that, i have been incredibly open about doing that. i will continue to be open and she goes on -- but she's saying she turned over her e-mails but lanny in the report it said when
she finished her official business she should have turned over all her e-mails and she did not when she finished as secretary of state. >> i think there are three issues here. this is a report from an appointee of the administration. this is the inspector general of the state department. it's not a report from republicans in congress. the second issue is she didn't sit for an interview for this particular report. that will be seen as problematic and finally the fact that she did this, she was the only secretary of state to exclusively rely on a private e-mail server and a private e-mail account in addition -- other secretaries of state had used a public as well as a private one. the problem here for hillary clinton is the drip drip drip. everyone thinks she's untrustworthy. independent voters are evaluating who they will support in november and this reinforces the impression of her as untrustworthy and unfit for office. that's the problem with this report, don. >> let's move on tana and talk
about the other side you heard my conversation about trump and the hispanic vote when trump said "the protesters in new mexico were thugs who were flying the mexican flag. the rally inside was big and beautiful but outside criminals. how does donald trump expect to improve his standing with the hispanic community when he's reminding them about previous remarks about immigrants and rapists and criminals and all of that? >> well, don, mr. trump was just talking about the people outside of the rally who are disruptive looking for their few minutes of fame getting televised and being able to see themselves on television and tell their friends that they were the ones that disrupted the rally. it has nothing to do with hispanics or anyone that is a law abiding citizen. >> does that make them thugs and criminals? >> the people that are -- well, the people that are acting criminally outside of a rally and being violent and disruptive in? if law enforcement has to get
involved and if it's getting violent, law enforcement will do their jobs and if they get arrested they are criminals, yes. mr. trump was not generalizing saying. >> -- he was, though. >> yeah, he was. >> go ahead nina. >> but he has generalized in the past and this is wrong so whether it's muslims, is his pick or latino sisters and brothers he should not be doing that. i mean -- and he's turning off the hispanic vote. i will tell you that in -- and we all may remember that even senator john mccain is worried about whether or not his reelection is in peril because some of the things mr. trump is saying, painting ethnic groups and other groups with a broad brush and he has to stop that. >> mo, you wanted to get in? >> that tweet, going back to what he said, he talks about the thugs outside waving the mexican flag. why is he doing that? he's trying to make a political
point there. he is otherizing these people. >> yes. >> and trying to make a point that is divisive. >> i want lanny to give in then tana. >> it's not okay to call mexican's rapists and say all is well because i like taco bowls. >> the reality is donald trump doesn't particularly care about his share of the latino vote. that's not how he perceives his pathway to victory, he is going to drive up the percentage of working class whites that support him. part of his strategy -- >> he's significantly trying to alienate minorities to boost the support of his base? >> i don't know if it's deliberate. it seems that way from some of his commentary the point i'm making is i don't think he cares, i don't think their model of how to win this election is premised on winning states like colorado and nevada. it's premised on doing well in rust belt states where there are working class whites. >> the demographics are changing, though, don, that strategy won't work because guess what? people of color are going to be the majority in this country so
that doesn't work and it's foolishness. >> tana, before you respond. he's already viewed unfavorably by 74% of hispanics? is he shooting himself intentionally. >> first off, don, his strategy is working. he's clearly winning by landslides, was winning by landslides when he had 16 other candidates in the race so mr. trump is -- he's winning. his strategy works. mr. trump was not generalizing what he was saying is we live in america, this is the race for the president of the united states, we wei the american flag in america, that's all he was saying. if you're outside acting a fool you will be arrested, law enforcement will do their job because we know how mr. trump loves his law enforcement and respects the law enforcement and they will do their job. he was clearly saying if you're going to act like a criminal, you'll be arrested then you're a thug and a criminal. >> do you think the protesters realized, tana -- and you guys
can weigh in, i have a short amount of time here. do you think the protesters realize they're playing into donald trump's hands? that it's helping him and revving up his support? >> no, they don't realize that. they don't realize that, don or they wouldn't be doing that. mr. trump realizes that everybody inside the rally that waited five and six hours in line to hear him speak, to hang on to every word he's saying, they are the voters, those are the people voting, going to vote for hillary, bernie, or donald trump. not the people outside acting crazy and acting foolish. who are getting arrested. >> how do you know the people outside are not voters? >> those people -- the majority of -- >> don't call them "those people." that's very offensive. it's very offensive. >> i'm not just talking about hispanic -- >> who are you talking about? >> i'm talking about every single human being -- >> hispanic, african-americans, those people, that doesn't work in our world. >> i'm not going to entertain you allowing me --
>> you're not entertaining me. i'm just letting you know what the facts are. you cannot use those types of statement when referring to people of color. >> i'm talking to the people outside. >> the people outside were diverse, though, nina. >> and that is fine. and guess what? >> but she was making a reference to hispanics. >> i'm not going to allow you to say i was making -- >> it's not about what you're going to allow. you and i are having an adult conversation right now. >> i don't have to defend myself to you. i'll answer don's question. >> don, look, i think the people -- your point is well taken. the protesters outside who turned violent ended up hurting their own cause and they're playing into his hands and what he's hoping to accomplish. >> it also draws the cameras to donald trump. >> but let's not pretend for a moment that donald trump is all smiles and fuzzies and happiness and peacefulness inside after his long record during the primaries. he's toned it down a bit but
during the primaries when he was encouraging violence and we were seeing violence inside the hall. both sides here need to seriously deescalate because the rhetoric is playing into his hands and turning people off to the process. >> you guys swore interesting i'm going to keep you around. stay with me, everyone. donald trump has big ideas but he's also got a lot of theories, spearsy theories. we'll take a look next. man 1: i came as fast as i could. what's up?
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many americans think building a wall on the u.s./mexican border seems far-fetched but from the death of justice antonin scalia to 9/11 to the kennedy assassination donald trump has his theories. >> reporter: in 1993, the clintons were being scrutinized over a real estate deal called white water when deputy white house council vince foster was found dead. investigators in five separate investigations called it suicide but still some people have suspected murder and trump's thoughts on foster? he knew everything that was going on and then all of a sudden he committed suicide
trump told the "washington post." very fishy. >> that's unbelievable! >> it's not the first conspiracy theory he's liked. last fall he vic sated on the widely disproven claim vaccines cause autism. >> the beautiful child went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic. >> then he turned to the 9/11 attacks. >> and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> reporter: but cnn and others could not find any proof. more recently, trump wondered about the death of supreme court justice antonin scalia. >> they say they found a pillow on his face which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow. >> reporter: authorities say yes but he was sleeping and died of natural causes. so trump moved to the kennedy assassination, suggesting a link
between ted cruz's father and lee harvey oswald. no proof. >> this is nuts. this is not a reasonable position, this is just cooky. >> it may have started with the birthers in 2011 when trump joined the chorus saying barack obama was not a native-born american. president obama's birth certificate proves otherwise but listen to trump just last summer. >> do you accept that president obama was born? the united states? >> i don't know. i really don't know. i don't know why he wouldn't release his records but honestly i don't want to get into it. >> that answer is fairly typical. trump doesn't often insist that these conspiracy theories are true, he just throws them out there and gives them room to run. if there's there's too much pushback or they have proven to not be true he's given himself room to run. >> just moves on. the big question is how does trump get away with these statements? it's not like no one calls him
on it. >> but you know how politics works. sadly as much as we want to think people analyze the issues, a lot of this is based on if you like someone you're willing to consider what they have to say is possibly or probably true. if you don't like them you think it's definitively false and in the case of people supporting donald trump in many cases he says enough that i believe so a lot of people think maybe like the old show the x files the truth is out there. >> you and i encounter that everyday as journalist. what if trump becomes president. can this continue? >> no, and i don't know if it will. who knows what would happen in that circumstance as you have to say about any candidate. they're different than they are as candidates but i think as president there would be more pressure from people saying you just can't just spout these things out. you need to have proof or else
it's inviting trouble. >> you realize by just doing a fact check now you are anti-trump? i know you're not but those on his side will say that. >> i've been called anti-everybody during this election but we're just trying to find out what's going on. >> any hoo, great report. thanks tom foreman. up next, more about trump's conspiracy theories. the all-new audi a4, with apple carplay integration. we built our factories here because of a huge natural resource. not the land. the water. or power sources. it's the people. american workers. they build world-class products. and that builds communities. and a better future. for all of us. because making something in america means so much,
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we're talking about donald trump and his conspiracy theories. so, tana, vince foster's suicide, trump calls it fishy, he links autism and vaccines, he says he saw people cheering in new jersey after 9/11, he suggested cruz's father was involved in jfk's assassination and he still doesn't know if obama was born in the u.s. -- he was, by the way. is trump a conspiracy theorist? >> no, he's not. he just likes to get people thinking and doing their own research to find out the facts. >>. [ laughter ] >> he believes that for vince foster to go -- to have -- wake up -- not wake up but to be
labelled suicide there that there should be more than just five investigations. he thinks washington, d.c. should have done 500 investigations to find out what really happened. a top white house aetd doesn't go missing like that so he just wants people to be doing more research, i guess. >> tana, don't you think five investigations are really -- that's kind of a lot. >> enough? no. >> do you expect them to do an investigation until they find something that's not there or find something that suits the other side for someone who believes in a conspiracy theory? >> no, i think washington, d.c. to only have five investigations. that doesn't seem like enough. >> it's not just washington, d.c. you're saying washington, d.c. but there were police, investigators, all kinds of people involved. it wasn't just politicians going hey, let's -- this was not something that was ideology, this was done by professional investigators police. >> it didn't seem like it was enough and mr. trump was just saying that.
>> it wasn't enough to suit people who believe in a conspiracy theory but it was enough to suit the truth. the truth about it is that vince foster committed suicide. why can't that be the end of story? the truth is that president obama was born in america, there is a long form birth certificate that has been authenticated but yet and still these nearsy theories. why isn't the truth enough and why would you need to float a conspiracy theory in order to get people to think. about what? as falsehood? >> people are doing their own investigation and people are digging into other facts. i know for a fact a lot of women, mothers who have children with autism were researching autism and vaccines and people came to the rallies and said mr. trump, you were right, i was there. >> so professional opinions don't mean anything, it's just people -- >> no. they do. the professional opinions do matter, don. i didn't see the autopsy report, i haven't done my research on
vaccines and autism so there's things that he wants the american voter -- >> but if you didn't do your research and haven't seen the report, how can you defend it on international television? >> i'm saying i have not -- i'm referring to president obama's birth certificate. >> the birth certificate is on the internet authenticated by the government, he was -- there is no dispute that president obama was born in hawaii in america. it's not a conspiracy theory. >> i'm not saying i believe in the conspiracy theories, don, i'm just answering why mr. trump was talking about vince and his suicide. i don't think his -- it should have been stopped at five is that's my personal opinion. >> but don't you think at some point especially if someone is running to be the leader of the free world and is responsible for not only americans but for safety and people all around
the -- all over the world and the economy, the economic environment of most of the world, don't you think that facts should matter and those who support him should rely on those facts to determine their support of that person? >> definitely. definitely. >> okay. let's move on. go ahead, mo. >> i don't know what to say to this. >> i'm with you, mo. mo, i'm with you. >> come on, you know who does think five investigations is enough? vince foster's widow, his children, what are we doing here? why are we dragging a family through this again? what he's doing from pure political perspective is very, very simple on both sides there are groups of people who love to hate the other side. it's true on the left, it's true on the right. there's a cottage industry of people out there who love to hate all things clinton or obama. when he says these things, they love it. they eat it up.
he gets huge applause and crowds go nuts and so he keeps doing it. it's that simple because there is no other real political reason for doing it. >> you know, look, i think he is accomplishing probably exactly what he wants strategically is that we're talking about it and other campaigns have to talk about it. the clinton campaign now has to spend a day talking about vince foster, answering questions about vince foster or the link between autism -- the alleged and mythical link between autism and vaccines or talking, for example, about president obama's birth certificate none of which are issues this election ought to hinge on but presidential candidates are the agenda setters. instead of talking about tax policy or foreign policy, we're talking about vince foster and other things so i think donald trump is getting what he wants and so i do think it's incumbent on all of us to talk about other stuff. >> nina, i don't mean to give
you short shrift but can you respond. >> never let the truth get in the way of a good story. news flash, president obama was born in america. >> okay. >> goodness. >> tana, thank you, especially for taking it and lahnee, nina and mo as well. coming up tomorrow night, cnn's series "the '80s" takes a look and listen to the music that shaped the decade. who better to join me but pat benatar and her partner spider geraldo. they're next. f astoria so stop clicking around. book direct at hilton.com now that's satisfaction.
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phenomenon dfm did for radio. >> i'm getting old, i remember that. joining me now, two people that helped create the music that defined the decade, icons from the '80s and now ms. pat benatar and her husband and musical partner mr. spyder giraldo, don't you remember that like it was yesterday? >> not exactly, but i remember it. >> we wish it was yesterday. >> guys, a lot of people know the first video ever played was "video killed the radio star." but the second video ever played was yours, "you better run." did you have any idea that this would be such a big deal? >> i don't know. we knew -- you know, we knew when we were doing it that it would be something different for sure. i don't think that any of us expected it to go as crazy as it did but it went fast. it was nuts. >> i tell you one funny thing about it is that when you're in one place for 12 hours trying to shoot a three-minute video song, you start off with really good hair but by the time they get
the take your hair is terrible. [ laughter ] i had perfect hair when we started? >> we didn't have to worry about that until they started mtv. you could have bad hair and it would be all right. >> but they get the take when it's done. >> what was your career like before and paf mtv? >> it was doing great, the first record came out and it went platinum right away and we had "heart breaker" which was a huge single and they said these guys are doing this thing, we think you should shoot a video for it and we're like, okay, whatever. and then in about a week after mtv aired we couldn't go anywhere after that. it was over. >> pat, you were really ahead of your time culturally in a lot of ways, your music was all about female empowerment, a lot of female empowerment, you were a tough chick, at least portrayed that in your videos. why do you think the message resonated with so many? >> i think it was the first wave of young women that were the daughters of the women's movement, you know? and i think that everybody as a
collective had the same idea. the best part for me was that i had this really secure boyfriend who had no problem with that and he was ready to just like, yeah, no problem, let's go. so it worked out great and he did all that, he put all that music underneath all of that bravado and made it work. >> that gets me to my next question, that's a great segue. neil, you're the quintessential rock 'n roll couple. you met in 1979. what was going on in the country at that time? take us back. >> well, yes, disco -- it was a funny thing, the disco movement was strong in 1978 and '72 and when we released "heart breaker" no radio station would play it. >> at first. >> they said there's too much guitar in it and can we take the guitar off and turn it down and we said no, that's what the song is based around ashes guitar driven sound and it was one radio station that broke through and it seemed like it just
changed. once that radio station started playing it, suddenly the guitar was okay. >> again, right. >> and it felt like you felt the disco era cracking in a new age was coming. that felt fantastic. we were a rock 'n roll band, we weren't planning to be a disco band. >> we were just crashing and burning. it was fun. >> there's an excerpt from your 2011 memoir called "between a rock and a hard place" and i'll read it. we can put it up. you don't like to talk about your politics at all, you say you don't want to influence people one way or the other or someone who may disagree with you, you just want people to have a good time. >> it's so personal. >> but there's been controversy lately about artist who have gotten political, the black lives matter, beyonce being criticized and all of that, oscar so white. why do you think it's important for artists not to show their political side? >> i don't think it's important not to. i think everyone needs to choose. it's just for us it's -- i don't like to blend those things
together. we have pretty specific ideologies and that's our personal business and sometimes it crosses and we take a stand on things that are important certainly for -- when it comes to children's rights and people's rights, we do that all the time but basically and generally we stay out of it. it's not what this is about. we're just trying to make music so that everyone can get away from all that stuff, you know? and have a good time and give their mind a rest and have fun and some goode motional stuff. >> as an escape. just to have fun. so then you did that for me because -- you want to guess what my favorite pat benatar song is? >> i don't know, what do you think? >> why don't we play it? ♪ we belong to the light, we belong to each other ♪ >> yeah, that's a great song. ♪ we believe to the sound of the
words we're both falling under ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ whatever we deny or embrace -- ♪ >> you should come here tonight and sing the part. >> but i love the first part, that dramatic intro. >> see, we talk about this. we talk about this every night in our show we talk about this. >> don, let me give you a little insight into that. i had a model when i tried to make hit records and it went simple as this. i wanted to make a song identifiable from the very first note. >> and it was. >> and i tried to create it and write a certain sound that every time you heard that note, you knew that song. i'm glad you picked that up. >> i used to say you could dance, you could sit and listen but it was car driving music. when that came on in the car it made me speed up, i was like yeah, i love this song. and it was just -- >> perfect. >> i'm glad. >> thank you, guys!
>> thanks very much for joining us. there's a lot happening tonight starting with breaking news, police in riot gear, some on horse joining us. there is a lot happening right now. police and protesters after trump rally and damaging report on hillary clinton's e-mail practice and report of a big trump's endorsement, that is if it happens? we begin though with donald trump with the violence outside trump rally last night of a albuquerque. first, gary tuckman is outside anaheim where some of the clashes took place, gary, what happened? >> reporter: anderson, what happened in anaheim california