tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN May 26, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news. hillary clinton slamming donald trump, telling cnn he is an unqualified loose cannon. and more breaking news. donald trump speaking live right now, taking a victory lap on the day he clinches the gop nomination. plus, president obama with his own blistering attack on trump overseas. saying world leaders are, quote, rattled by the gop's presumptive nominee. let's go "outfront." and good evening, i'm jim sciutto in again tonight for erin burnett. and "outfront" tonight, breaking news. the gloves off. just moments ago, hillary clinton speaking to cnn taking her attacks on donald trump to a new, more combative level. the very day that he clinches
the gop nomination. so that many in both parties had long confidently predicted would never happen. >> this is now as real as it gets. and this man, who is an unqualified loose cannon, is within reach of the most important job in the world. so it should concern every american. >> donald trump live right now in billings, montana, a victory lap after passing the magic number of 1,237 delegates needed to ensure a first ballot nomination at the july republican convention. and earlier, taking a shot at clinton, noting that he has something she does not. her own party's nomination locked up. >> here i am, watching hillary fight, and she can't close the deal. and that should be such an easy deal to close. >> bill patingly "outfront" at trump's rally in billings, montana, tonight. taking a page you might say,
from trump's book, calling in all the cable networks to direct the news cycle, taking on trump. what's the trump campaign's reaction? >> reporter: well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. on one level, they welcome the attacks. they feel their candidate, donald trump, operates best as the counter punch. and as these attacks continue to roll no, and no shortage, they feel like donald trump is able to operate at a high level and fight back. but it is interesting to note, jim. obviously, hitting that magic 1,237 number today. there's no question about it. it is now a general election race for trump and his advisers. but there's one thing to keep an eye on. everybody has been talking repeatedly about this pivot to a general election, a change in tone, a shift in tenor. more and more, you recognize that's not really on the table right now. donald trump, while having numerous behind closed doors meetings with top republicans, working on digital strategy, data strategy, fund-raising, all very crucial components of that
general election campaign. his tone, his policies, they have gotten him this far, and jim, when you talk to his advisers and listen to him talk throughout the day today, there isn't any sign of a shift. something the clinton campaign is very happy about. the trump campaign says, look, it's gotten us this far. why change now? jim? >> phil mattingly with the trump campaign in montana. clinton not the only foe on trump's radar tonight. jim acosta, is "outfront." >> reporter: after shaking hands with some of the delegates in north dakota who helped him clinch the gop nomination, donald trump took note of who hasn't reached the finish line yet. hillary clinton. >> and here i am, watching hillary fight. and she can't close the deal. and that should be such an easy deal to close. >> reporter: but the presumptive gop nominee still has one other democrat on his mind. massachusetts senator, elizabeth warren. >> elizabeth warren seems to have made it her job. >> who, pocahontas? look, she is a mexican. you tell me.
>> sorry! >> oh, i'm sorry about that. pocahontas? is that what you said? i think she is as native american as i am, soak? okay? that i will tell you. but she's a woman that has been very ineffective, other than she's got a big mouth. >> reporter: trump is also taking hits from president obama, who oversees world leaders alarmed over the real estate tycoon's campaign rhetoric. >> they're rattled by him. and is for good reason. he does a lot of the proposals that he's made display either ignorance of world affairs or a calf cavalier attitude. >> reporter: trump went back. >> he's got to say something. and it's unusual that every time he has a press conference, he's talking about me. >> reporter: trump also answered questions about comments made by his campaign chairman, paul man i fort. he said the new york billionaire likely won't select a woman or
minority as his running mate, because he doesn't want to be seen as pandering. not so, said the candidate. >> we're looking for absolute competence. we're going to have many women involved and you're going to see that very strongly. >> reporter: and trump signaled he is serious about winning over house speaker, paul ryan, who hasn't endorsed him. the two leaders are keeping the door open to working together. >> it was a productive phone call. >> we'll see what happens. we've had great conversations. and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: now donald trump is having an "i told you so" moment right now. just a few moments ago, donald trump instagramed a video showing a slew of republican lawmakers and pundits in it washington, predicting that the real estate tycoon would never reach this point and ends with president obama saying that i still believe that donald trump will not be elected president. that video ends with the words "we'll see about that." now, despite all that news that donald trump made today, he's having another news conference on tuesday. he says that that news
conference back in new york, he'll be talking about the money he's been donating to various veterans' groups and exactly where that money is going, jim. >> he certainly proved a lot of doubters wrong. jim acosta. "outfront" tonight, aim holmes, served as speech writer to majority leader bill frisk. joe avalon, donald trump supporter. jason osborne, bernie sanders supporter. sally cohen, hillary clinton supporter. bernard whitman and trump supporter, aaron elmore. so tonight in these phone calls, we heard something of a new improved, maybe more media-savvy, certainly more aggressive hillary clinton? >> yeah, i think she's realized she's got to play offense. and i think it is extraordinary she's taken that from trump's playbook and just calling in, right? call in, spread the love. but she's got to walk a line. she's got to play offense against donald trump. she's got to say these are the stakes in the election. but can't get down in the mud with him. donald trump will win that mud fight every time. >> jason, i have to ask you if you're concerned at all.
this is the day donald trump clinched that nomination, and she was attempting to own the news cycle. >> i think you'll see that every time. campaign 101. she will try and come in and take the oxygen out of the room. and i think with donald trump you're not going to be able to do that. what's ironic, for over 12 months, everyone said donald trump would never be the nominee and hillary clinton would be the nominee. and now donald trump is the nominee and hillary clinton is still fighting with bernie sanders. >> sally, i have to ask you. and i'll note again, sanders supporter. truth be told, it is right. as trump points out, he's got the nomination, she doesn't. you know, should she be focusing on sanders now to lock up that nomination? >> someone on the democratic side is going to have the nomination and it's going to happen pretty soon. and, again, the comparison is interesting. trump will say, oh, i had beat 17 people. yeah, you had a crowded field and he was able to savvily play
the media. and also, the democrats are going through a real important challenge around substance. they are having a substantive primary, fighting it out, it's good for the country, good for the future of the party. and whoever the nominee is, is going to be infinitely stronger on substance, which i hope still matters in elections. i don't know. and is going to have the broad support of the country. >> you know what's interesting, just on that point, which i think we're not talking a lot about, is that bernie sanders -- >> substance? >> bernie sanders is actually doing so well, because of the anti establishment movement. and so the democrat nominee is actually going to win because of the establishment in the democratic party. if you took out the superdelegates, bernie sanders would be within 200 votes. so now we have on the republican side, the anti establishment candidate that is far and away winning across the country. what do you do with your bernie sanders supporters, fighting against the establishment? do you continue to go to hillary at the general? i think we're in better shape. >> we do want to get to the democrats, but erin, yes, there
is still a race going on the democratic side. let's be honest, there are still divisions within the republican party. this is the day the republican nominee in effect crowned but not the endorsement of paul ryan. today cruz, rubio, didn't want to comment on it. there are still deep divisions within the republican party. >> deep divisions, but we are working to unify and that's the goal that donald trump is focusing on right now. he wants to unify the party. he wants everybody to get along and be able to play in the same proverbial sand box. he has already met with paul ryan, a positive meeting and they're moving forward. so really his next target is taking downhill re, if she is the nominee and it's looking that way. and right now working on unifying the party. >> do you buy that? is it kum ba yah? >> no, it's lurching forward to i think potential disaster in the fall. what you see is a party that can't get the highest elected official to publicly endorse him. the thing that really bothers me, frankly, about donald trump, is less about donald trump and what does it say about the republican voters that are supporting had him? because i talked to republican
voters all of the time who support donald trump and i say how can you support someone who wants to build a wall, ban muslims, pull out of nato, give south korea -- they say you know, he's never actually going to do that stuff. it doesn't matter. >> oh, wait a minute. >> doesn't truth actually matter? >> hold on. i talk to trump supporters all of the time, as well. some of my closest friends are supporters. and they are anti establishment, they are very frustrated with the republican party that didn't put the brakes on left wing policy agenda of president obama. and democratic leadership. and i'm telling you how trump supporters feel. you can laugh at them if you want. but that's part of why they're supporting trump. i think it's getting back to hillary doing the call-ins taking a page out of donald trump, she's also trying to frame him now. as if it is a general election, by calling him unqualified. so she's taking that page out of the trump playbook, as well. >> unqualified, loose cannon. >> unqualified, loose cannon, hoping it will stick. >> i'm sorry, but it is interesting. i have also talked to trump supporters, and yes, plenty who
enthusiastically support his views. but there are not only many in the republican electorate who are trying to come around to trump, but even some ardent trump supporters who have said, yeah, i don't really want to round up and deport 11 million people, ban 30% of the world's population from coming into our country. >> temporarily. >> and it is interesting they're uncomfortable that trump goes too far. whereas the democrats when we have to unify, the issue of sanders supporters, maybe hillary doesn't go far enough in terms of that populist rhetoric. so these are wildly different points. >> it is -- incredibly ironic that hillary clinton in a who froze out the field is still fighting to beat bernie sanders, 74-year-old democratic socialist, and donald trump one of 17 in the field. absolutely not crazy to say hillary clinton is going to have an easier time uniting the democratic party than donald trump is uniting the republican party. because from reformed, to evangelicals they're going to have a hard time. >> let's hold -- we're going to
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tonight, a heated turf war inside the trump campaign. sources telling cnn that trump's top advisers are right now angling to win trump's trust. the bitter back and forth that seems to have cost one person their coveted job. suzanne malveaux is "outfront." >> ladies and gentlemen, mr. donald j. trump. >> reporter: tonight, fresh off of clinching the republican nomination, the trump campaign is rejecting new reports of more top-level in fighting. the trump campaign announced it was parting ways with its political director, rick wylie, wednesday. just six weeks after he was hired. wylie, the former campaign manager for scott walker's presidential bid, was originally
brought in to build up the ground game to clinch the delegates needed to avoid a contested convention. when asked if he was fired, the trump campaign says, wylie was just meant to serve a short-term role. >> general election match-ups will change dramatically once we get through cleveland. >> reporter: but sources close to the campaign say wylie butted heads with campaign manager, corey lewandowski. wylie also closely tied to lewan due ski to paul man i fort brought in to broker a possibly ugly july republican convention. >> corey, good job. good job. >> reporter: sources say tensions between lewandowski and manafort have worsened as trump gets closer to the general election. so much so, sources say the two are now working on different floors in the trump tower. >> certainly not unheard of that there are tensions within a presidential campaign. but it is unusual that two such top aides are really going at each other, and that the rift
has shown up in such a public fashion. >> reporter: manafort's duties expanded, as trump consistently downplays reports of any inner team turmoil. >> paul actually gets along very well with corey. they get along. they have different functions. but i'm telling you, they get along really well. they have separate functions, very separate functions and they're doing great. >> reporter: in an interview with the "huffington post," manafort says trump isn't likely to pick a woman or minority as vice president saying that would be viewed as pandering, i think. today trump said manafort was misquoted and that he wouldn't pick a nominee just because they are woman or minority. >> i think it's likely that we would have somebody, but we don't do it for any specific reason. we're looking for absolute competence. >> reporter: manafort also said it's not his job to change trump. you don't change donald trump. you don't manage him. he is going to win unless we, meaning people like me, screw it up. this is not a hard race.
>> lewandowski has said the same thing, letting trump be trump. he also tells cnn, there is absolutely no tension between me and paul manafort. i have been exceptionally inclusi inclusive. manafort did not respond to a request about that. outside, tanna gert, senior adviser to the trump campaign. there have been multiple reports of in fighting within the trump campaign, saying wylie was fired after clashing with lewandowski. is the trump campaign truly unified? >> absolutely. that's news to me. we have never -- i've never heard of any inside turmoil. i've worked with corey very closely. and i'm part of paul manafort's delegate team. so absolutely not. we are all unified and we have one goal in miami-dade and that is to get donald trump elected and in the white house. >> to be fair, it is our reporting that the trump campaign never said that wylie was a short-term hire. so why is he gone now?
>> it was always my understanding that he was a short-term hire. and i work for donald trump. so we -- that was always my understanding, is that he was just short-it term. >> well, let me ask you on another topic, where there has been some division. paul manafort, as you know, top trump aide, told the "huffington post" trump is unlikely to pick a woman or minority because, quote, that would be viewed as pandering. we heard trump say today he was misquoted. what exactly did manafort say? >> i don't know what paul had said in that regard. i do know donald trump well and i know that donald trump hires talent. and gender is not a job qualification for mr. trump. he hires the best. and if you look into the trump organization, the top executives in the trump organization are females. so would highly bet that mr. trump would have a female in a top position like that. >> do you believe as a senior adviser that choosing a woman or minority would in any way be viewed as pandering?
>> no, i don't. i think that would be brilliant. and mr. trump is a smart pan. and he surrounds himself with smart people. and a lot of them are females. so i'm very excited about that. >> well, to be fair, again, it's not the first time we've heard confusion over the qualifications for a vp choice. listen to ben carson, helping with the vp search. and then trump himself on the question of choosing a democrat as his vice president. have a listen. >> you know, the question came up when i was interviewing request "wall street journal," would you look at a democrat? >> i would rule them out. we want to have a great ticket. the democrats have been in there for a long time. >> so on that point, first of all, is a democrat under consideration for the vice presidential pick? >> that i'm not privy to that information. i do not know that. but i would think we would stick with the republican, and mr. trump is surrounding himself with people that are in the
political field he would like someone inside, as he said. he is the outsider. the businessman, the successful ceo of the trump organization. so he would like an insider. but i do not know if he would ever consider a democrat. that i have no information on. >> tana goertz, thank you so much for taking the time tonight. >> thank you. have a great evening. >> you too. john, i want to bring you in. so you heard her insisting the trump campaign is united. why do we see these symbols of division percolating up? >> because the divisions are real and she is spinning. that's her job. but to deny there are tensions inside the camp between lewandowski and manafort is just to deny reporting, and sources that -- and evidence that being the case. rick wylie being bounced out is a big deal. and there are always power plays, always a degree of criminology in campaigns. her job is to go on tv and deny it and say everything is sunshine and rainbows, but it's
not. >> is that fair? >> this sounds like fodder for the tabloids. this is not important to what's going to happen in november. >> it's a key campaign position, to be fair. >> certainly. but we do believe it was a temporary thing. but this is almost like brittney versus justin. it sounds like something you would read in "us weekly." >> it's normal political -- >> but i don't think it's going to have any sort of -- >> he has no governing qualification, no leadership, doesn't know anything about foreign policy, so his ability to actually manage his team effectively would seem to be important. >> i need you to hold that thought. one more thought before we go. >> this entire race like a reality television campaign. and actually, he's done a really good job. and i think we shouldn't be surprised that after 12 years of being fixated on reality television, we have reality television front and center in the presidential race. >> isn't the nature of political campaigns to be full of all sorts of tumult and second-guessing and blame shifting, et cetera. that's politics. and we remember when al gore was running in 2000, had to move his headquarters down to tennessee. all sorts of personnel changes.
it didn't bode well for al gore in the end. but to say this is unusual is -- >> that's exactly right. >> we will have another section with the panel. and "outfront" next, donald trump slamming hillary clinton over the e-mail controversy. charging her with, quote, poor judgment and saying she did something that is probably in his words, illegal. and president obama on how world leaders are viewing trump. >> they're rattled by him. and for good reason. ahead, why trump says that rattled is actually a good thing. thisproof of less joint pain and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis
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tonight, hillary clinton struggling to move beyond the scathing state department report on her use of a private e-mail server. you're looking at live pictures now out of california. at any moment, hillary clinton about to hold a rally in san francisco. speaking to cnn earlier, clinton tried to put the issue behind
her. >> as i said many times, it was still a mistake. if i could go back, i would do it differently. and i understand people have concerns about this. but i hope voters look at the full picture of everything that i've done and the full threat posed by a donald trump residency. >> to potentially make matters worse are, a new poll shows that clinton and sanders are in a dead heat in the upcoming california primary. jeff zeleny has tonight's big number. >> reporter: hillary clinton and bernie sanders in a fierce fight for california. the democratic finish line may be in sight, and clinton's lead is secure. but the party is still divided. >> this election is a make or break election. >> reporter: tonight, a new california field poll shows the race is a near dead heat. clinton, 46. sanders, 44. sanders is closing strong. >> on june 7th, let's give them a rude awakening!
>> reporter: even as clinton tries downplaying a new inspector general's report that she improperly used a private e-mail server as secretary of state. >> if i could go back, i would do it differently. i think voters are going to be looking at the full picture of what i have to offer, my life, and my service. and the full threat that donald trump offers. >> reporter: but the e-mail saga has kept questions alive about clinton's trust in north dakota. >> this was all bad judgment. probably illegal. >> reporter: sanders still won't touch the e-mail issue. but encysts he's the candidate best to defeat trump. now he's trying to prove it by enticing trump into a debate. making the pitch hollywood style through jimmy kimmel on abc. >> he wants to know if you'll debate him. >> yes, i am how much is he going to pay me. >> reporter: and today trump says he's serious. >> i would love to. he's a dream. but i want to know how much
money. >> hillary clinton has not agreed to debate me here in california, so i look forward to debating mr. trump. >> reporter: in the middle, some democrats growing nervous. president obama, in rare comments about the race, urged patience. >> people get a little grumpy with each other. you know, it's just the nature of the process. >> reporter: he didn't mention clinton by name. but she said today, the party will come together. >> i have every reason to believe that after june 7th, we will begin to unify the democratic party. >> reporter: but jim, the question is, how long that unification will take. the democratic national convention in philadelphia is in two months from this week. now she is trying to finish strong here on june 7th. there are the california primaries and six other states. she's only 88 delegates away from clinching this democratic nomination here. jim, she doesn't need to win california, but she wants to win it.
she is telling every audience, we would like to finish strong. jim? >> jeff zeleny with the clinton campaign. back with my panel now. and bernard, i'd like to start with you. clinton trying to pivot to the general election, taking shots at donald trump today. but you have that tight race in california. you have this really damning e-mail report. is she looking like a vulnerable democratic presidential candidate? >> no, she's literally on the verge of capturing the nomination. and the fact is, inspector general report is a rehash of a rehash. nothing new there it actually validates everything she has been saying for months. >> she had always said she had permission to use that e-mail server. the report found there was no permission, she never asked for it. >> if i were secretary of state, i would look to my bred sesser and see what they did. not a single secretary of state previously had used the state.gov address. dozens knew about it. there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest there was a skrurt breach, data breach of any sort. and after the request, she released 55,000 pages of e-mails that the national archives have said, you know what, this covers her off on record-keeping.
>> so is bernie sanders -- bernie sanders regretting he said i don't care about your damn e-mails? >> again, this is why it's still good to be a democrat. we have managed, despite that there is plenty of fodder, we have managed it actually keep this election -- try to keep it about substance. i will say this about e. mails. you know i'm not a big hillary clinton fan, per se. but it's worth noting what the report didn't say. she didn't do something illegal. yes, hillary clinton has transparency issues. by the way, if she's the nominee, so does donald trump. he won't release his tax returns. she has said she is sorry. he when asked has said he has never apologized for anything. i think the voters are going to see what really matters here. and by the way, colin powell did the same thing and he wasn't attacked. and he wasn't attacked for generations. >> on sally's point of the allegation of an uncomfortable relationship with the truth, let's be fair here. donald trump has been fact-checked to a tremendous degree and he's played with the truth. >> let's go back to the first
point on. e-mail server. >> you have to answer on donald trump. >> the predecessors never had their own server in a closet outside of the government. so let's just -- set that aside. john kerry was the first secretary of state that actually had a state.gov e-mail address. in terms of telling the truth, donald trump speaks for donald trump. now, i can't speak for him, and i can't say that everything that he has said has been honest and truthful. that's on him. but he's never been elected officially. when hillary clinton is dealing with taxpayer dollars, and continually lying. >> until he's elected? and then -- >> that's good. >> let me -- hillary should be allowed to speak. >> okay. has donald trump exaggerated, hyperbole, what is his net worth, really. donald trump has certainly stretched the truth. what we're talking about with hillary clinton is in her conduct as a cabinet secretary, a public official, that speaks directly to herrethics, and her suitability to be president of
the united states. and even president obama's own director of intelligence for the defense department, he said that this is completely out of bounds and that she really should not be running for this highest office in the land. and that's from the obama administration itself. >> john, is she going to pay a price for this? >> i think she has paid a price, taken a real toll, cast a cloud last summer and fall. and this report is scathing. the hillary clinton supporters can't spin it away. it is scathing about a freeze that was put on when people tried to say this was an issue. they were told don't dare ask about the secretary's private server. it was an error in judgment and it was reckless. whatever the intention was. but i don't think that at this stage people who were on the fence are going to be swayed by the server issue. we'll see what the doj and fbi have to say. >> how does donald trump capitalize on this? it's not a legal issue. but seemed that her explanation of it was not true. how does he capitalize on it
when he has his own issues. >> goes to truthfulness. it's back and forth. and the other back and forth, he always criticizes -- she is criticizing him for being anti woman. meanwhile, the clinton foundation has accepted money from countries like qatar, algeria, inherently misogynistic. there is mutilation, spousel abuse, rape. that is millions of dollars. so to say that donald trump is -- >> what? she is not -- >> lifestyle? >> the clinton foundation is saving people's lives. >> that money still came from the country. >> our country gives money to countries like saudi arabia and to egypt that also have horrible policies. >> and she never brings -- the countries i just mentioned. she never brings -- >> misogynistic treatment himself. >> thanks very much to our excellent panel tonight. "outfront" next, president obama slams donald trump, saying he is rattling leaders around the world.
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tonight, donald trump is firing back at president obama. president said that world leaders are, quote, rattled by the prospect of a trump presidency. trump says that's a good thing. >> when you rattle someone, that's good. because many of the world, as you know, many of our -- the countries in our world, beautiful world, have been absolutely abusing us and taking advantage of us. so if they're rattled, in a friendly way, we're going to have great relationships with these countries. but if they're rattled in a friendly way, that's a good thing. >> but here's what the international community is saying about donald trump. >> i think his remarks are divisive, stupid and wrong. and i think if he came to visit our country, i think he would unite us all against him.
>> back to the old days of conflict, war -- he remembers hitler. >> inadvertently playing into the extremist' hands by giving the impression. >> "outfront" tonight, former senior adviser to president obama, david axel rod. so david, you heard trump's argument there, this is an advantage, a good thing world leaders are rattled by him. is it? >> well, look. i think if you are a leader of another country, america is a very -- the most consequential country in the world. the president of the united states is the most powerful figure in the world. if you heard a president of the united states saying, as donald trump did a few weeks ago, that america's creditors might have to take a haircut, or suggesting that japan and north korea should arm themselves with nuclear weapons. these are un -- or the muslim
ban, for that matter. these are unsettling notions. and no, i don't think that's particularly positive. but from a -- from a political standpoint, donald trump has run a nativist campaign about national sovereignty. and this is consistent with his message. the test will be for voters whether they buy trump's message that america has been abused and he's going to by rattling the world take back our sovereignty. or whether there is a real sense of unsettlement among voters. about -- about whether it is -- whether it is wise to put someone in the president's office who has this penchant for shooting off these very provocative statements. >> as you know, a lot of the criticism from democrats is for saying things like he would meet with north korean leader kim jong-un. remember during the 2008 campaign, your candidate and senator barack obama, he made some waves saying he would meet
with the leaders with iran, syria, venezuela, cuba, north korea, which at the time a controversial position. have a listen. >> the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them, which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration is ridiculous. ronald reagan and democratic presidents like jfk constantly spoke to soviet union at a time when ronald reagan called them an evil empire. >> is that fundamentally different from what donald trump is proposing? >> yeah, i think it is. because if you listen to trump, he talks about it as if it's all a negotiation like it's an episode of "the apprentice." yes, obama said she should as a country and leadership of the country should be willing to meet with hostile leaders. but for a purpose. and if you follow the track of his administration, he has ultimately met with the leaders of cuba. he has dealt with iran. but only after years of
preparation to make those exchanges productive. there is no sense right now that a conversation between the president of the united states and the very, very rogue leader of korea, north korea, would produce any really valuable result. >> let me ask you to take your diplomatic hat off for a moment. just think purely politically, does this kind of thing work with voters? it certainly worked in the primaries for him. does it work in a general? >> well, i think it will work with his base. there is no question about it. they are responding to his appeals to the wall, to the muslim ban, and to this notion that he will push back on the world. i think in order to win the election, he has to persuade people he has the temperament to be president of the united states. people who are on the fence. people who are a concern. people who don't like either candidate and there are those swing voters who don't like either candidate. and it seems to me right now that's an advantage for hillary clinton, because she has that
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nearly 40 million americans prepare to travel for the memorial day weekend. the nation's rail infrastructure outdated in so it is responsible for deadly derailment and repair backlog and tens of billions of dollars. cnn was granted rare exclusive access to the northeast crumbling infrastructure. rene marsh has a story you'll see only here on "outfront." >> reporter: deep inside the hudson river tunnel connecting new york and new jersey, the concrete is cracked and crumbling, after superstorm sandy flooded the tunnel, the situation became urgent. >> the salt is eating away at the concrete, at the rails, eating at the cables that go through here for power. >> reporter: the amtrak ceo joe board encalls it a glaring example of aging infrastructure in united states. >> this is the busiest corridor
in the western hemisphere. we got here because we didn't maintain our infrastructure. >> reporter: every day about 230,000 riders pass through t the tunnel is plagued by power failures. power cables are 80 years old, causing shut downs and massive delays for days. the repair backlog for 450 miles of race from boston to washington, d.c. alone is $20 billion. aging infrastructure has always contributed to deadly derailments. >> shut down the entire northeast corridor. >> reporter: in may, 2015, amtrak 188 traveling more than two times the 50 miles per hour speed limit jumped the tracks in philadelphia. 8 people were killed, more than 200 injured. thousands of miles of railway lack technology, have positive train control that can slow speeding trains.
why is the industry taking so long for that technology to get in place. >> takes time to make sure that works right. >> reporter: 30 freight accidents, 69 deaths, more than 1200 injuries could have been prevented had that technology been in place. it is not just safety, it's speed. in japan, bullet trains are capable of going almost 200 miles per hour. that speed would cut a six hour amtrak ride to two and a half. the fastest train in the u.s. can go 150 miles per hour, but usually travels at half that. >> we could have that kind of service along this corridor, but you would be talking 151 billion. >> you want to be able to show the benefit of the dollar you invested. >> reporter: anthony fox heads the department of transportation. >> i think members of congress struggle because they actually require longer than a political term to take root. >> reporter: for the busiest strip of track, speed takes a
back seat to the urgent need to stop the crumbling. >> rene, i traveled through that tunnel on my way up here yesterday. looking at that, how did we get here, why did we get here. >> ak track, they don't turn enough profit to pay for maintenance as well as improvement. they rely heavily on the federal government. last year got 1.6 billion. you heard in the piece, the backlog is $20 billion. that's a drop in the bucket. compare that to china, they invested $128 billion last year alone, but putting that in context, they have a lot of open space to expand track. the bottom line is there isn't enough to pay for repairs and expand. >> and trains in china are faster than our trains are, too. >> i bet they are. >> rene marsh, thanks very much.
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behind one of the most iconic songs. ♪ never going to give you up, never going to run around and desert you. >> that's rick astley's "never gonna give you up." it has become an internet sensation, you click on a link you think is one thing, then you're misdirected to the 1987 video. he is currently on tour in berlin. never gonna give you up. why do you think it was such a global hit? >> hi. you know what, i wish i could answer that question, wish i knew what makes a hit. if i knew that and different producers, they'd be doing it every week, that's the magic of music. you get some ingredients together, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. if we knew that magic trick, someone would do it every week. >> the white house says you rick
rolled followers. you even rick rolled the macy's day parade. ♪ let me tell you about the -- >> when did you realize you had become this phenomenon? >> i don't know, like i say, i just kind of -- it's not really -- on one hand, it's got nothing to do with me, it is just somebody thought that video was cheesy, we'll use that, i'm glad they did. it has given the song a new lease of life on the internet and stuff, certain generation of people which would have never heard it, probably have heard it. my favorite one was one of obama's speeches, ended up never gonna give you up. >> never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down. >> i mean, the president singing
your song, that's pretty cool. >> all right, will, rick astley, it has been cool having you on the show. we appreciate it. thank you so much. >> thank you. my absolute pleasure. thank you. >> the '80s airs at 9:00. ac 360 starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. donald trump wrapped up an event in billings, montana after locking up the republican nomination today, going over the 1237 line. he erased any serious notion of a never trump movement, took one step closer to the white house. tonight reaction to his numerical triumph and attacks on republican governor of new mexico and democratic senator he calls pocahontas. and the offhand remark on late night tv that could turn into a debate with bernie sanders. and