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and "united shades of america, the new kkk." i hope you have a great night. hatred so deep, it drives men to turn planes into bombs. >> we saw a plane crash into -- >> an act of terror on our soil. >> it is impossible to understand. impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> once again, this nation is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> better picture this morning of the man accused of murdering 13 people. >> why do they hate us? >> what did we do to the islamic world?
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>> americans are asking, why do they hate us? >> emphasis on that last word, "us." why do islamic terrorists hate americans? >> usa! >> 15 years after 9/11, we are no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. >> so what are you waiting for? you can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle. >> but who are they? how many? and are they multiplying in a new, deadly form? >> france was the beginning. tomorrow will be washington. it will be new york. it is coming. >> inside schools.
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young children have been taught how to kill us. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country because terrorism is again front and center. >> and that fear has paved the way for a new voice in this country. >> please welcome our next president of the united states! >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on! it's going to get worse and worse. you're going to have more world trade centers. it's going to get worse and worse, folks.
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>> trump's message has led some americans to say, who cares why they hate us. we hate them. >> who's bombing buildings? who's bombing airplanes? it's not the christians. it's not the jewish. it's not the buddhist. it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. >> they are coming to get us. they are not going to be happy until they take over this country and we have to be under sharia law and i am not going to bow down to them. >> americans are understandably angry and afraid. but with fear turning to hate, we need answers. it's literally a matter of life and death. when you ask a scholar steeped in the subject, he makes an important distinction. >> why do they hate us? >> if you take they as being muslims, they don't hate us. if you talk about they as being
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a narrow, very small group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question. >> anwar al awlaki comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. chowdri has been charged with supporting isis. he's awaiting trial in london. >> i personally hate the royal regi regime's prophecy. never mind the kidnappings, the beheadings, the sex slaves. to chowdri, the islamic state is paradise. >> there is no usury, there is
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no bribery. this idea that they're raping people. why don't you listen to what the muslims are saying on the other side? they will deny these things. >> because, mr. chowdri, they kill journalists, that's why. they kill journalists, mr. chowdri. in fact, isis has murdered at least 23 reporters in the last two years. among them the americans james foley and steve slatworth. >> how do you explain, mr. chowdri, that people are fleeing the islamic state. >> despite documented evidence of tens of thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, chowdri claims there are actually more arriving. >> the people come into the islamic state and say, by the way, we have video of christians coming back to mosul.
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you don't show those because it doesn't fit into your agenda. >> then the floodgates open with the reasons why unjim chowdri says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, freedom of religion. these things sound very nice, but where was the freedom of expression or freedom of religion for the people in guantanamo bay. did you hold that up as an example of liberty and democracy, the american way of life? george bush flushed those down the toilet. he said, we can flush those away because we're talking about terrorism. >> but the united states went into bosnia to protect muslims. it intervened in afghanistan and is supporting a government that was elected twice by the afghan people. >> i think you spend too much time in the cnn world. in the real world, the people of afghanistan hate the americans. >> in the real world, mr. chowdri, it's determined by polls, not by what you say. the polls overwhelmingly show it
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as do two elections. >> you're living in hollywood, some kind of make believe world. >> i come back to the same proposition, that if the groups you seem to support, from al qaeda to isis, were as popular as they claim, why do they hold elections? why do they have to go around murdering, slaughtering and raping and holding people in submission? >> for a minute i thought you were talking about guantanamo bay when you talked about rape and torture, but you're not talking about that. >> chowdri reminds me of marxist idealists i met in the north. the anger in america runs deep. what's striking is america remains the obsession of chowdri and so many who have never, if seldom, been here. so what happens when a jihadi is one of us, an american?
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are the reasons he hates us the same? >> to the muslims in america, i have this to say. how can you have your loyalty to a government that is leading the war against islam and muslims? [ gunshot ] >> no one has scared american security officials more than am war al alacki. he is the driving force behind all of the worst terror attacks in america since 9/11. >> we are facing you with men who loved us just like you love life. >> he is an american, born in new mexico, educated at colorado state university. how influential is he? dzhokhar tsarnaev wrote about his teachings as he lay bleeding
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in a backyard boat, waiting to be captured. one of the san bernardino killers, the husband, sayed farouk, watched them. then there was the one who murdered 14 americans in el pat -- el pass oo, texas. the under wear bomber tried to blow up a plane with a bomb. at the 9/11 attacks, al-alawki was allowed to lead prayer in a
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mosque. the "washington post" did a story about him. >> there's always this association between islam and terrorism when that is not true at all. islam is a religion of peace. >> but gradually it is possible to see the beginnings of his dis disenchantment. >> it's not hatred. hatred seems to be something that comes out of nowhere. there is reasons for this. the fact that the u.s. has administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in iraq -- >> no one seems certain when alaki became a full-fledged member of islam. yet he never talks about his religion when he speaks about why he hates us. >> everybody come outside.
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push him this way, over here. >> his reasons, like chowdery's, are about american possession. this so-called war against islam like he always speaks with. the fbi began to monitor. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> would you say that iraq is at least as se veer a threat as bin laden. >> probably the most risk to the homeland. >> there is one more fact about al alawki that i haven't told you. he is dead. it was an anti-american drone strike in 2011. here's our most private. some of the bloodiest terror he
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inspired happened after his deft. the san bernardino killings, the bombings. thousands of e-mails are just a click away. >> you remember the good old days when americans were blessing peace? >> the man is dead. the message is not. and yet his main explanation for why they hate us doesn't ring true to me. the united states has, for better or worse, waged war in many lands. why are there no vietnamese or cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly of the uperisms, somewhere deeper. some say it comes directly from the koran. but is the muslim holy book being distorted?
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>> the koran promises a marter in the name of islam, 72 virgins. >> what exactly does the koran promise martyrs? when we come back. i can't reach it. if you have alligator arms, you avoid picking up the check. what? it's what you do. i got this. thanks, dennis! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. growwwlph. it's what you do. oh that is good crispy duck. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means
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san bernardino, paris and now brussels. all perpetrated by muslims. all done in the name of islam.
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it raises a question, the obvious question, is islam an inherently violent religion? ask a critic of islam and then ask an honest muslim reformer. you will get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it's time to stop saying that this isn't about islam. isis is uber islamic. uber islamic and it's time it's said. >> the next time a bombing or beheading occurs, and god knows it will, the first thing you will hear from the mouth of a so-called moderate muslim is, oh, no, no, please don't misunderstand, islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true. because most of the people doing these bombings and beheadings say that they are doing it in the name of allah. and they actually cite verses from the koran. >> we are men honored with islam who climb to peaks to perform jihad.
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>> the controversial question triggered a shouting session on bill maher's hbo program. >> islam is the motherlode of bad ideas. >> how about more than a billion people that are not radical and don't do any of the things. >> wait a second. >> no. wait. >> wait a second. you're painting the whole religion with that -- >> no. let's get down to who has the right answer here. a billion people you say, all these billion people don't hold any of those -- these pernicious beliefs? >> no, they don't. >> we will come back to affleck's point about the numbers but let's just look at the text. the koran does contain verses that encourage intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brimstone. but look at the bible on the same subject in leviticus. if a man has sex with another
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man, kill them both. both holy books also have passages recommending murder for nonbelievers. this verse in the koran is one that isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. therefore, strike off their heads. >> our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. >> but the same belief that guides isis also appears in the bible. in duty -- deuteronomy, believers are instructed to stone nonbelievers until they die. two holy books with violent passages with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in the koran. >> islam is being manipulated. it is being used. >> there is one colorful example of manipulation in a famous koranic story.
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>> the koran promises a martyr in the name of islam 72 virgins. is that true? >> it is not true. >> manji says that several scholars studying the original text came to a startling realization. >> nowhere in the koran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 virgins. what it promises, as far as heaven goes, is something lush. the arabic word for virgin has been mistranslated. the original word that was used in the koran was the word for raisin. not virgin. in other words, martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisins. can r you imagine the surprise
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of the terrorist who expected something completely different? ♪ the story illustrates that radicals have twisted islamic ideas but it also reflects a growing new reality. the violent jihadis who carry out isis terror attacks often know little about islam. >> in many cases, they are petty criminals, they are dropouts, unemployed, in many cases they are drug users who never had anything to do with religion, no religious training whatsoever. >> you probably know us better than me, even. maybe you have studied. >> they are completely ignorant, in other words, of religion and latch onto radicalism as a way to act out their alienation. >> these brothers fit the profile. these are the isis killers partying at a high-end nightclub in brussels. salah was the mastermind of the terrorist attacks in brussels. it is easy, say some, to
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brainwash recruits who are not religious. a former radical told "the new yorker" for purposes of recruitment, having no background in islam is actually an advantage. ishad manji is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing people to all islam's ideas. >> i'm trying to point out that they have the wrong material, they have the elements for change. >> a father's two sons convert to christianity and leave home. the father asks the prophet muhammad to bring them back but muhammad declines saying there is no compulsion in religion. >> the book itself can't speak. it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. there is a beautiful passage in the koran, one of many beautiful
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passages, that states god does not change the condition of the people until they change what is inside themselves. >> and to those who say, well, you are cherry picking, what do you say? >> i say, yes, that's correct. and so are you. by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the koran. >> as you can see, islam can be used in many ways but the question remains, why is an intolerant and violent interpretation of the religion flourishing in important parts of the muslim world? it all starts, believe it or not, with an american pop song. ♪ and with her, a flood of potential patients. a deluge of digital records. x-rays, mris. all on account...of penelope. but with the help of at&t, and a network that scales up and down
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we are now scrambling to figure out what turned this couple into mass murderers. >> the wife in the san bernardino terrorist attacks -- >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized? >> we all looked at her and asked how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and then proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom? there is a way to understand this because you can draw a straight line from tashfeen
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malik directly to the roots of modern, radical islam. let me explain by going back to the beginning of the story. bizarre though it may sound, today's radical islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1949. the place was greeley, colorado. ♪ ♪ i've got to go away but baby it's cold outside ♪ >> "baby it's cold outside" was playing on an old grammophone at a church dance. an egyptian student stopped in and was a deeply conservative muslim and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of what he called the animal-like mixing of the sexes, the hall swarmed with
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legs, lips met lips, chests met chests. the worst sight of all, he said, the outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters. say what you want to say about his time here, the arab sensation in parts of the american world. he hated everything about american culture, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> they are terrifying because they are narrow and they are racist. he resented the way women and men interacted in society, he resented materialism. >> in the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments trying to westernize societies and political systems. he wrote 24 books urging the return to sharia law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the united states.
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he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of the egyptian president. he had become a rock star among budding radicals, even as arab regimes were jaili and torturing his followers. >> we are muslims who believe in their religion! >> thus, in the jails of egypt and other arab tyrannies was born al qaeda. ♪ >> he was read and revered by osama bin laden and the current head of al qaeda. then in 1979, radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution.
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enraged by the repressive rule, popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american embassy. for 444 days, the united states watched helplessly as americans were held hostage. >> but there are indications tonight that a large number of armed shiite muslims -- >> at exactly the same time, november 1979, cataclysm in saudi arabia. they took over the grand mosque in mecca, the islamic holy site. it was stormed by heavily armed insurgents demanding the overthrow of the american-backed saudi king. these events were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals.
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they had taken control of iran, and in saudi arabia, the monarchy makes a fateful decision. did -- it decides to appease the ultra conservative wahhabi clergy who preach of in tolerant interpretation of islam, giving them free rein to run schools and mosques and oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it's hard to imagine a muslim community anywhere on this planet that hasn't been touched by this ideology. >> remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world muslims, the muslim world. >> the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam.
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look at this interview with one of the most powerful men in saudi islam. the former imam of the grand mosque. we have the same beliefs as isis, he says. we share their idealogy but we express it in a more refined way. >> and that ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia from the mosques. >> remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia. so did osama bin laden. and one more person who was from saudi arabia. tashfeen malik, the wife in the san bernardino killings. so malik lived in both saudi arabia and pakistan. and to what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology?
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pakistan. its saudi-funded mosques preach a message much like the saudi idealogy. and tashfeen malik is radicalized by saudi. up next, a crucial question. when we ask why they hate us, how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies. >> they say at most, 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right, when we return. you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you.
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if you believed everything you've heard about islam on certain cable news channels, you'd have good reason to be afraid. >> we need to kill them! >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are we talking about? 2 world has 1.6 billion muslims. how many muslims are we talking about? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow us all up to smithereens. >> 300 million muslims ready to strap bombs to their bodies? can that really be true?
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donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> it's 27%. could be 35% who would go to war. the hatred is tremendous. >> fox news anchor chris wallace had just told the gop frontrunner the facts. >> according to the best experts, think tanks all around the world, they say at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right. trump is wrong. scholars and experts we spoke to agree. the number of jihadis worldwide is somewhere between 1 and 200,000, not hundreds of millions. how did they come up with those results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terror networks worldwide. that works out to around .01% of all muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, the myth persists.
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>> you say 253 muslims want to go to war against us? >> why don't you take a look at the pew poll that came out very recently. >> we did take a look and we couldn't find any poll by pew that bore any relation to trump's claims. in fact, the pew research statement sent us a statement that says it has not issued a survey saying that 27% of muslims would go to war with the united states nor asked a question of muslims about going to war. but there are some pew polls with findings that are troubling. let's take a look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims who want sharia as the law of the land told pew that they also favor stoning as a punishment for adultery. and 86% favor the death penalty for those who leave islam.
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religious scholar -- >> we may be appalled by certain regressive beliefs but they are just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> but can bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maher makes an interesting point. >> if vast numbers of muslims believe, and they do, that humans deserve to die for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book orie loe eloping with the person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> aslan responding with an analogy from america. >> the christians at the westboro baptist church believes that god hates homosexuals so as a result of that belief, they picket the burial ceremonies of
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american soldiers who die overseas. now, christians in the united states also believe that homosexuality is a sin and share that belief but would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are the same because they share one belief. >> sam harris counters with his own a analogy. >> to have a play on broadway, like "the book of mormon," it's currently unthinkable to produce such a play on a topic of islam. ♪ >> the hit broadway musical "the salt lake city religion". >> what did the mormons do in response to this play? they took out ads for mormonism in the program which is just an adorable response but there is no one who produced that play who lost any sleep over whether
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they might be killed or be hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons and that is what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this, i certainly agree with harris and yet there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seducing muslims. american democracy. when we come back, the story of american islam, warts and all. [ guitar playing ] ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you don't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief.
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hamtramck, michigan, is a story as old as america. a century ago, polish immigrants settled here. it became known as little warsaw. ♪ preserving the traditions of the old country in a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. ♪ this time, the immigrants are muslims from yemen, from bangladesh, from bosnia. and now what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had historic significance for that community and the country.
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>> one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes that are going on, so i'm leaving. >> church bells collide with the call to prayer. restaurants cater to separate groups, different cultures now living side by side. there have been rough spots but hamtramck has made its new reality and new government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag. >> we have a great possibility of showing the world how ethnic groups can work together to solve problems. >> but then the calls started coming in from the rest of america. >> we are coming to blow up the muslims. they try to go by sharia law.
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they try to do this. people are going crazy. >> it's time to say no sharia in america! >> many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into sharia law. >> i didn't say to hate them. i'm just saying we don't need them here. >> islam will never dominate the united states and by the grace of god it will not dominate texas! >> sharia law has never been established in any city in america and no one wants it less than the muslim americans in hamtramck. >> we don't believe in that. we came here to this country to run away from sharia law. you think i would put it in this country to follow me here? i don't think so. ♪ >> community activists ibrahim says that his family fled yemen in search of the same things that all americans want. >> we came here for better life, for security and for a better future, and that's all we came here for. we will always carry that american flag everywhere we go.
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>> it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle classes, and in some cases, wealth and power is open to people of all backgrounds. >> he came from pakistan penniless. today he is a billionaire in the most american way possible. he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at television host dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. the list goes on. but middle eastern studies scholar rasheed khalili says it's a list you won't find in many other western countries. >> how many people on french television? how many people with elite roles in french business are children
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or grandchildren or great-grandchildren? we have barons of the industry who are important in the media whose faces look different than white americans. yourself, for example. there are very few faces in french. >> they are partly rooted in this fact. >> 1% of america is muslim. most americans don't know any muslims, so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam, it becomes very easy to conflate that with mainstream, everyday islam. we would never make that mistake when we are confronted with extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of christianity, because we live in a country that's 70% christian. we are tribal, ultimately. we are much more likely to
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the next time you hear of a terror attack, no matter where it is, no matter the circumstances, you will likely think it's muslims again and you will probably be right. in 2014, about 30,000 people were killed in terror attacks worldwide. the vast majority of those perpetrating the violence were muslim. but -- and this is important -- so were the victims. of the 30,000 dead, the vast, vast majority were muslims. that's crucial to understand because it sheds light on the question, "why do they hate us?" islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west. they hate the modern world and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear, why the jihadis are few, there's a larger cancer within the world of islam, a
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cancer of backwardness and extremism and intolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion are muslim majority. all that have laws against leaving the faith are muslim majority. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts tried to explain in the 14th century islamic civilization was the world's most advanced or that the koran was once read as a liberal and progressive document, they are not trying to deny the realities of backwardness today. what they are saying is it can change. islam, after all, has been around for 14 centuries. there have been periods of war but also of peace. it's the same religion then and now. so what is different? it's not theology. it's politics. radical islam is the product of the broken politics and stagnant
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economics of muslim countries. they have found in radical religion an ideology that lets them rail against the modern world, an ideology that is now being exported to alienated young muslims everywhere, in europe, even in some rare cases, in the united states. so how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, reform their faith and modernize their societies. in doing so, we should listen to those on the front lines. many of whom are fighting and dying in the struggle against jihadis, the hundreds of muslim reformers that i've spoken to said their task is made much harder when western politicians and pundits condemn muslims entirely, demean their faith and speak of all muslims as suspect and backwards. here's another way to think about this. in america, african-americans make up about 13% of the
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population, yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now, we understand, i hope we understand that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be dehumanizing, unfair and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing to do with isis even though he is a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack. but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged as individuals with individual liberties and rights. it is what they hate about us. we might as well live up to our own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria.
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thank you for watching. when we first pitched this show, you should know the whole idea behind this show is it's a show where a black guy goes places either he shouldn't go or you wouldn't expect him to go. and we're like oh, where should we go? i was like, i don't know, maybe i should go talk to the ku klux klan. that was their reaction. [ laughter ] that was exactly -- hmm. then it got quiet for a long time. but i could tell it was that kind of quiet where, that might be good for ratings. but kamau might die. but that might be really good for ratings. [ laughter ] when i pitched the ku klux klan idea i didn't think they'd actually let me do it. you know what i mean? i was just trying to be edgy and get the job.


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