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to mourn the 49 lives cut short in sunday's terror attack at a gay nightclub. a bell tolling 49 times for each of the victims. >> be at peace, my friends. >> reporter: a community known as one of the happiest places on earth because of its world famous theme parks, now a city grappling with being the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. the latino and gay community hard-hit across this attack. thousands coming in solidarity to remember the victims outside new york city the stonewall inn, gathering at the historic site. >> hold up your lights, show the world we are standing together in new york city, and we are sending a message that we will not accept hate anymore. >> reporter: in los angeles, pop star lady gaga read the names of all 49 victims at a candlelight vigil. >> orlando, we are united with
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you. >> reporter: this, as we're learning more stories of heroism from survivors. >> i just heard the shots getting closer and closer, at that point, all right. time to go. >> reporter: ducking behind his deejay booth, ray ra vevirez survived. a woman was panicking, i said you need to be quiet and at a break said, come on, let's go. >> reporter: this woman shot twice. to escape he climbed over the bodies of his friends that couldn't make it out alive. >> someone starts screaming, like, please, please, please, don't shoot us and he does the first round through the door. >> of the stall where you are. >> of the stall i was in and he put his hand over the stall and just -- free shot. >> reporter: these heart-wrenching stories having an affect around the world, lighting up in rainbow colors to
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symbolically show that love wins. british singer adele opens up her concerts with this emotional tribute. >> i would like to start tonight by dedicating this entire show to everybody at orlando. the [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: on the streets of london's soho district, a mecca for the lgbt community, cheers as 49 balloons were released in honor of the victims. [ applause ] it is inspiring to see these showings of support in the face of such horror, whether it's through donations being made online or the giant crowds of people that are outside. blood centers donating blood to those who need it most. one more note. we can expect more of these types of vitch manies as we get closer to thursday when
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president obama is set to visit orlando and officer personal condolences to families of the victims. >> thank you, boris. we'll check back in a little bit. as for the murderer who terrorized this club, you know we don't say his name on the show and he's no longer going to be shown on "new day." patrons of the nightclub are trying to fill in the holes with the investigation saying the killer was a familiar face at the gay club where this attack was carried out, and we're also learning about what this man was doing in the hours before carrying at the massacre and the question of whether or not there may be other people charged. cnn national security correspondent jim sciutto joining us with more on the investigation. what do we know, jimmy? >> reporter: investigators from looking at cell tower information found in the hours before he was here he was at a ditny property, downtown disney springs part of the dit disney resort, in april of this year with this family, the question for investigators, was he scoping out other possible
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targets? they haven't determined that yet. this as they piece together the horror that took place inside the pulse nightclub. >> we said hello and everybody. >> reporter: clubgoers recalling interactions with the terrorists they say frequented the popular gay nightclub before carrying out the massacre. >> i would maybe, maybe twice a month see him on tuesday nights. >> reporter: several regular customers tell the "the atlanta sentinel" they'd seen the terrorist on and off or several years. >> seemed like a nice, comfortable -- he loved where he was at. he was drinking with another guy at one time. a lot of it don't make sense and we're never going to know. >> reporter: another regular, kevin west, telling the "los angeles times" that the terrorist messaged him on a gay dating app several times in the last year. >> he said the man had contacted him looking for clubs to go out to. >> reporter: this, as we're
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getting the first look of video inside the pulse nightclub as gunshots rang out. this 27-year-old hiding out in the bathroom where the gunman continued his terror. using cell phone tower data investigators now say the terrorist spent several hours at disney springs, a popular shopping and entertainment center at walt disney resort, believed to be alone at the time. exact motives, unclear. what is more clear he appears to have been self-radicalized, and expressed support for conflicting islamic groups. >> he said he was doing this for the leader of isil, but he also appeared to claim solidarity with the perpetrators of the boston marathon bombing and solidarity with a florida man who died as a suicide bomber in syria for al nusra front, a group in conflict with the so-called islamic state.
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>> reporter: investigators also say his electronics show videos of beheadings. and anwar awlaki. what they found on the electronic devices is a key line of inquiry trying to piece together exactly what his motivations were. chris, alisyn, as they look at this they see a conflicts mix of allegations. right? even those groups, al awlaki, and al nusra, a conflict of interesting, still not sure why he went into that club and killed so many people. >> and antithetical group to the other. a mixed picture. stay with us. we also want to bring in the former orlando police chief and now a democratic candidate for office here, congress in
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florida. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> one of the things that may still happen here is they're trying to piece together this picture whether this guy had any outside help or whether this was all about madness in his own head, but was he completely alone in his intentions? what are you hearing that maybe somebody else knew somebody? maybe we have to charge somebody else? >> iters of an international terror group having direct contact, at this point, no evidence of direction or coordination from abroad. so that's on that front. investigators are still looking into whether he had any sort of support network here. they haven't hardened that up yet and i'm sure you know as well that this is something they do after these attacks, did it if paris and bell jugium. it looks like lone wolf at this point. >> tell us about the investigation locally. if police are equipped for something this widespread? >> you know, the police, we train for these type of
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incidents. very highly skilled, very highly trained. but it's training that they hope they never have to use. what makes this investigation very difficult, though, is that this very well could be an individual who was working alone. when they're not involved with any other groups, organics or people that are already being surveilled or tracked, it does make it very, very difficult for law enforcement, but between the fbi, the state and the local law enforcement, they'll piece this puzzle back together, and come up with some answers that we all so desperately need. >> one of the dynamics we took comfort in, in paris, the u.s. police do it differently. they don't wait for s.w.a.t. pap threat inside, you go right here. here, a big wait period and potential layers of negotiation with this madman inside. were you surprised that the cops didn't get in there as soon as they came? >> police responses change.
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historically, police officers would alive at the scene, those initial patrol officers, secure the perimeter and then wait for the crisis negotiators or the hostage negotiations team. at pulse the other night, there was an off-duty officer who was there who initially engaged the suspect. he immediately called for backup. some other patrol officers responded, and they engaged the suspect in gunfire, and at the same time were helping persons evacuate the club. those that had already been injured, helping them to get out of that nightclub. the gunman barricaded himself in a different location, and it's at that point when those officers secured the scene, s.w.a.t. team and the crisis negotiation arrived. >> they waited for s.w.a.t. was wrong. this guy shot himself into the club and then a second phase jnchtsz that. >> that absolutely correct. >> talk about his background and maybe motivation. we heard from his friends and ex-wife he said homophobic and
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anti-gay things. then yesterday it came out he had been at the pulse more than once, and, in fact, he had been sort of trolling around looking for gay nightclubs and maybe on a gay dating app? what do we know? >> he might have been gay. this is the thing that you -- it would be -- it's easier for us to imagine that there's one simple answer why someone does this. you know? but here you have overlapping things. multiple groups that were diametrically opposed to each other, make no sense together. hezbollah and al qaeda, and i isis, fighting a war in syria. makes no sense. >> unless it's, he's not legit. not like this guy in france who just butchered a policeman on facebook live in advance of the ideology. >> and people attaching themselves to think ideology without real substance to it. right? troubled people, their other anger, resentment towards the
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gay community, whatever his personal and family background is, they find this cause which gives them cause and and identity, even if no real basis. >> anger looking for a cause, anger looking for a purpose. >> val, you come from the police world now getting into the political world, very different motivations. it is satisfying to say he's a terrorist. it is simple. it's clean. he killed a large number of people. he targeted what we're about by going after gays, and targeting our freedom. that's it. it's over. don't bonger me with subtlety, but in terms of how to understand the threat you do have to know what kind of animal this guy was? >> you do. obviously over the last 48 hours a lot about this case has come to our attention and still information is coming to our attention. i believe this was an individual that was dealing with an array of different issues. i think he had his own personal struggles. obviously, we know that this was not his first, second or even third time visiting this particular establishment. so i do believe he had his own personal issue, but we also know that he killed 49 people,
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wounded 53 people, and he had access to an ar-15, and two other handguns. so the whole conversation about the prevalence of guns in our society is a major part of this space, too. >> and bought those guns after a long-term fbi investigation. >> that's absolutely correct. >> his ex-wife has come forward, spoken out. always thought he was mentally ill. he was violent with her. he was also married. new information. do we know anything about this current family? >> the second wife is kwaupding cooperating. providing information. she provided information about the trip to disney world in april. so that certainly is a line of inquiry and also the question what was she aware of during that time? something that investigators are looking into. >> thank you both for your expertise. nice to have you on "new day." up next, talking about the politics of terrorism. donald trump has been speaking about it, as is hillary clinton.
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taking very different approaches. trump banning muslims, clinton taking on assault weapons. we look at both, and which plan makes us safer.
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in the aftermath of this nightclub attack, the politics of terror are os divisive as ever. donald trump questioning whether president obama may have had ulterior interests in this terror attack. live. >> he doesn't get it or gets it better than anybody u.s. it's one or the other and either way it's unacceptable. >> we're led by a man that either is, is not tough, not smart, or he's got something else in mind, and the something else in mind, you know, people can't believe it. people cannot -- they cannot believe that president obama is acting the way he acts and can't even mention the words "radical islamic terrorism." there's something going on. it's inconceivable.
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>> we want to talk about this now with our cnn political commentators, ben ferguson and vicari sellars. ben is the host of a show vicari a hillary clinton supporter. ben, start with you. what was donald trump referencing there? >> i think his point that he was rempsing is pretty clear. he believes that the president is doing everything he can to not actually call this what it is and be politically correct. this is radical islamic terrorist, in this country obviously and radicalized over the internet and maybe by their own means. the fact is, this is a war we are with with these terrorists and he seems to do everything he can to be blunt and bold about the gun used and clear about how much he hates that gun and wants to ban it but holds back on the other issue the radek's islamist
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terrorists. some are homegrown and some are in our country. >> is this how you referenced it? the president being politically correct and not a sympathizer of some kind? >> no. and ben understands this as well. >> no, i don't. >> my heart goesous to orlando, but donald trump and dog whistle politics have gone too far. i think that we all understand, donald trump and the fascism, america first, pre-word war 2 ideology he has has gone too far and the in a time we've been struck by so much tragedy, for him to insert dogry, this is the person that led the bernaler movement and yes, we have a gun problem in this country. regardless what you call it, what the word is, say radical islam, radek's jihadist, whatever you want to call the word, there was no reason for him to be able to get the tool he used to kill those
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individuals. so we can bicker back and forth about the verbiage used and if that's the battle donald trump wants to wage, so be it, but has to rise above the dog whistle politics which in good for the country. >> i think it's -- >> hold on, ben. ben, one second. i know it's hard with the delay here via satellite, but when donald trump says, oh, he gets it better than anyone understands. that's more than political correctionness he's referring to. >> i think what he's referring to is the fact that barack obama should understand this issue more than anybody else, because he's the one being briefed daily on terrorism threats. yet he is still not blunt and really bold on attacking the true, hard issue here. and that is the issue of muslim extremists who are wanting to do harm to this country and pledge allegiance to isis. i think donald trump, if anything, has been pretty clear on being blunt on this issue, and he is saying, if you want to be politically correct, and you want to blame everything else but what this actually is.
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you want to go on this attack on guns. i just wish the president, i think donald trump's point is this -- would be as passionate about going after radical islam and calling it what it is as he has been against the ar-15. there is a problem here with this individual. there's a problem with radicalization, and there's a problem with terrorism, and every time we see this happen they seem to be so cautious and so concerned about not offending people instead of calling it what it is. these people died because of a radical, he was radicalized on the internet, however it was done when he went to the middle east, i don't really care, but let's not be politically correct on this. let's be clear about what the threat is to these people and everyone else. >> yep. vicari? >> i just think that that's -- absurd. first and foremost the reason that donald trump is saying what he's saying is -- >> why? >> -- he wants people to believe that barack obama is a muslim. that's a fact. what he wants people to believe and that's not the case. that is why he's using dog
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whistle politics, that is why he believes the president of the united states somehow empathizes or sympathizes with the terrorist, and that's not the case. have a real discussion. talk about robert louis deer, dillon ruth, all of these people who utilized weapons to go out and massacre many individuals, and congress' inability to act. this united states congress led by the republican party in both the house and senate have failed to act, and they're failure to act is an act in itself. so we all have blood on our hands and are all complicit in this. until we do something about the guns in this country, we'll have a problem. >> i agree on one -- >> hold on. >> sure. >> well, i -- let me hear how you guys ay glee and then i need to get to t"the washington post put how do you agree, ben? >> sure. there has to be a way we look at these it tragedies and realize there are common denominators do
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a better job and fix whatever gray areas there are within the fbi. the fact this individual was under surveillance and investigated multiple times by the fbi, the same people that would clear your background check to get this gun, i believe if you're on a terrorist watch list, i believe if interviewed with connection with terrorism, at least a knock on your door after you purchase a weapon if you are linked to terror groups. there is aboobviously some sort connection or lack of connection with the fbi. we need to fix that in congress, that's an important issue and look at it in a single way and i think there's common ground on that. >> there is common ground on that. let's get to "the washington post." after donald trump didn't like "the washington post" headline about what he was taying with president obama and they suggested he was saying something sinister he said he would revoke their press credentials. this isn't the first time he expressed displeasure with how journalists have covered his campaign, but he goes further in
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saying that he will sort of blacklist them. is there something larger about journalism to be made here? a point about, say, free press? >> yeah. i mean, there's a much larger point here and i don't -- i kind of hesitate which i thought about saying it, this is fascism at its best. we've gone down the path of whether or not donald trump had said things that are racist or not racist. we've gone down the path whether or not he said things that are offensive or not offensive, but this is fascism at its worst, to be completely honest with you. banning "the washington post." i mean that is -- that's absurd. just thinking about the fact that press, and professing your love for feel but not your love for freedom of the press. that's what happens when you get needled, and thin skinned. donald trump blocked me on twitter. somebody running for president of the united states, and i just think that we need someone in this country who's built to lead, and the last thing donald trump is built for is
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leadership. >> vicari, i'll say this, donald trump has not said you should not be able to write what you write. what he said is if you're going to be unfair and run absurd and ridiculous headlines attacking me don't expect to guess v.i.p. access to my campaign. he has the right on his campaign to do what he feels is best for his campaign. he feels he's been taken advantage of by a newspaper incredibly biased against donald trump and majorly in favor of hillary clinton your candidate. what he's saying is i'm going to be tough with you. i'm not going to sit here, roll out the red carpet and allow you to say ridiculous things and headlines about me and expect you to come right back and us treat you with this kindness, happiness and please, come on our bus, get on our plane. this is being tough and a smart decision by donald trump. >> okay. ben, thank you for the debate and common ground, vicari, great to talk with you both. a police officer and his partner murdered in france in the name of isis. what we know about those
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there's a clearer picture emerging of the 49 people who lost their lives in the terror attack at the pulse nightclub behind us there. who they were, who they loved, what made them special, they ranged in age from 18 years old to 50 years old, and there was a vigil outside the performing arts center here. we heard their names read aloud. it was special and you could hear this. >> a singer, a pharmacy tech, an aspiring firefighter, a u.p.s. worker, a cancer survivor, a father. these are just some of the 49 victims of the orlando terror attack. their friends and family want the stories of how they lived to be known. edward sotomayor was a popular travel planner known as top hat eddie. he sent this snapchat to friends from the nightclub on saturday
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night amanda alviar wanted to be a nurse. took these inside the club before the shots. she died alongside one of her best friends, mercedes florez. >> basically my life revolved around them, and my immediate family, but they're my second family. >> reporter: kj morris was a bouncer at pulse. she moved at orlando two months ago to be close to her mother and grandmother. >> so excited to start working there and to be a part of that community. >> reporter: enrique rios, a social work student from brooklyn, remembered by his family. >> just throw someone away from a bunch of people that cared and loved him so much. >> reporter: jimmy dejesus velasquez a retail worker originally from puerto rico who left behind a lifelong friend. >> i thought he was immortal. you know? he always said he would never leave me and abandon me and i
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trusted him. >> reporter: eddie texted his mother from the club during the massacre, asking for help and to say, mommy, i love you. >> he said he was going to die and i love you. that's the last thing i heard. >> reporter: juan ramiro just came out as gay to his parents this year. he will be mourned alongside his boyfriend who also died in the attack, chris fer. >> and i loved him with, i love you, chris. >> reporter: many of these desperate families came to thick nondistrict brick building before knowing the fate of their loved ones. inside they got the devastating news. fbi agents gathered the roughly 250 people together, and read the names of the deceased. >> the reactions were breaking down with tears, screaming, but it was today when they came to the conclusion and they had the reality, the reality that it now is a fact they passed away. >> reporter: afterwards a band
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of volunteers in red shirts flanked the grieving families, shielding them from the media scrum with a sea of black umbrellas. nearby, at an lgbt community center, food, comfort and crisis counselors at the ready for anyone in need. >> we're coming together, and trying to be supportive of each other. >> reporter: so we were outside that makeshift family center yesterday where it was so devastating to know that the families were going in with a glimmer of hope, and then coming out having heard the confirmation that their loved ones were dead and coming out devastated. it was quite a scene yesterday. >> one of the things that wound up being really important and is continuing to be important is that i was worried early on this was going to be about them. that this was about the gays, and that they were targeted, and it's really important to see how this community has come out, not just locally but nationally, and embracing that, no, these were americans, men and women, boys
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and girls, you know, 18 years old. they are, all of us, and to see even governor scott and the attorney general, they had bitter fights here about gay marriage, but this is not about politics. you know? this was about just loving your fellow human and it's an important message to send. >> we saw that. all true. >> what do we know about what's going on else in the world? there is terror popping up in other places. we have a horrible breaking news event in france. a french police officer and his partner killed at the hands of an isis sympathizer. this time it was done in a very different way. we'll give you the story, next. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you don't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief.
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we're fopping breaking news from france. a report, seems isis killers struck again. again a police officer and his partner killed by a knife-wielding assailant who claims he was acting in the name of isis. this attack has a bizarre twist. for that, atika shubert live at the scene with details. ati atika? >> reporter: that's right, chris. the attack happened just shortly before 9:00 just down the
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street. now, what we know is that the attacker's name was abballa. we know that from a source close to the investigation. especially chilling is that he apparently posted either a video or facebook line. we're seeking clarification of th the actual attack. not the killing but the aftermath. in the killing you can also see the couple's child a 3-year-old boy in that video. so very concerning details there. we are still seeking confirmation from both french police and investigators who are now looking at that video, as well as a statement from facebook. we're hoping to get a statement from them on exactly what was posted as well. but this is obviously very disconcerting, especially when you consider that the attacker larossi abballa, shot dead by police late last night when they stormed the house was known to police as being somebody involved in terror networks. he was arrested and sentenced to three years in prison in 2013
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for trying to recruit people into terror organizations associated with pakistan. so very concerning that they weren't able to prevent this attack, even though he was on their police radar, chris. >> all right, atika. thank you for bringing these details. a horrible story. as there are more developments let us know. we'll come back to you. as it is in all of these incidents, the people who commit these murders in the name of madness, known as isis, start the situation, but they don't finish it, and they're not the focus. back here in orlando, so many innocent lives in the gay, latino community, from this community, taken far too soon. coming up, we have a friend of someone who's lost someone very close to them. memories about who is gone. stay with us.
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remembering him as a brilliant singer with an infectious laugh and one of his friends joins me now. thanks for being here. such a hard 72 hours for you. can you tell us about shane? >> he was a very happy person. he had a very contagious laugh. he was always happy. just a good-spirited person, and very beautiful on the inside and the outside. >> and he was a lead singer? >> yes. >> in a local band. and i think we have a moment of him performing. so let's listen to that for a second. ♪ >> it's nice to watch him performing. i know you went to see him several times. look at -- you can see why the crowd loves him. what was he like as a performer?
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>> um -- just like his personality, very outspoken. he was -- everywhere he went, even amongst his friends he was the center of attention. you know? everybody loved him. he's, a beautiful face, a beautiful personality and he really brought that out when he was onstage. >> he was performing a few hours -- >> yeah. i wasn't here, though. >> i know, you weren't here, because interestingly, you work at a different nightclub. >> right. >> across town, and you are security. you're a security guard. >> right. >> at the nightclub. >> uh-huh. >> tell us what happened at your nightclub the night that this was happening at pulse? >> we found a weapon in somebody's crotch area, found two guns and we sent them out of the club. >> you do pat-downs at your club? do it every night. >> yes. >> and you found weapons. >> yes. >> does that happen regularly? >> not every weekend, but on occasion, yes. >> is that scary? that people are coming to the club with weapons?
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>> it's scary and it's sad. you don't know their intentions. y you don't know if they're afraid and that's their intention or want to do something to somebody. >> did the pulse do pat-downs as well? >> no. that i'm aware of, no. pulse was a very energetic and happy place. it didn't have problems. people didn't fight. people went there literally to have fun ba there was never a problem. >> and wanted it to be an open door welcome place? >> uh-huh. >> one of the things about shane's story, he was so upset about "the voice" singer, grimmie, he posted as a stage performer you can't pep but keep questioning, how did this get past security? the only complete protection we have is god, and sometimes he needs you more than this evil
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world. rest in peace, christina grimmie. >> that was his philosophy. >> and now it's ours for him. >> what is that? >> he's gone to heaven, because god definitely needed him a lot more than we did. >> i mean, how do you make sense of all of the lives that were taken that night? >> you can't. it's -- hon negligently, i don't think it's hit me yet. right now it's kind of just like, my friend is gone and my family's friends are gone, and i don't think it's completely hit me what really has happened here. like, i keep telling myself, but -- i don't think it's registered yet. i don't know when it will. honestly. i haven't had time to be by myself to really, really think about it. >> how did you learn of shane's death? >> oh -- the same night that i, um, was on my way to work, i was driving on the turnpike, because i went to work late because i just came home from puerto rico, and there was cops flying past
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me. i get off the exit and i see the commotion, literally the exit is right down the street. i didn't think anything until i got to work. they were like, oh, there's been a shoot-out at the club. and on my way back home i seen all the cops, and i went home and got on social media and i saw all of these posts, and somebody said his name. like, we're trying to reach out to him. we don't know if he's okay. so immediately i came out here, and i was here all day, all night, and i waited and i waited and i didn't sleep, and then the next morning i just waited for the names, and -- his was on there. >> they read the names out loud? >> i didn't watch the tv. i just read it on the -- on the website that they put it on. as soon as it came out. >> and had you been waiting to hear from him on facebook? >> i was hoping. because we called the hospital. at first they said they didn't have any information. the second time they said that. they couldn't give us
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information because we weren't family. we thought maybe he's in critical condition or something, maybe in the hospital, but -- >> your story reflects so many we heard yesterday. so many families still didn't know yesterday, the whereabouts of their loved ones and then we were there when they, the fbi came in and read the list, and i know it has been a tortuous 48 hours of people waiting. >> right. >> and the waiting, some people said, was the hardest part, of not knowing. cash, thank you. thank you for sharing your personal story about all of this with us. we wish you the best going forward. he had been on the fbi's radar. so how did the orlando terrorist get his hands on military-style weapons? and what can be done to prevent that from happens? we'll discuss all of that, next. designing cars f for crash survival, subaru has developed our most revolutionary feature yet. a car that can see trouble and stop itself to avoid it.
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we know the orlando terrorist had been on the fbi's radar. he'd been interviewed in 2013, was a focus then. talked to again in 2014. both of these were terror investigations. a big and now haunting question is -- how was he able to get a weapon with the fbi doing the background check with all they knew about him? let's bring in cnn analyst counterterrorism, we have art roderick and -- sorry, phil mudd with us. gentlemen, thank you very much. let's talk about the big and then the small. they both matter here. first one, this guy is presenting a confused picture.
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okay? at first it was, oh, here's another guy radicalized, who did he hook up with abroad? oh, no. a lone wolf, radicalized here. what was he doing online. now, phil, seems a more confused picture. could be mental illness, derangement, could be something else that has no connection to any bigger idea except in his own maddened head? >> right. look at this over the past couple days, we're trying to box this. talked about isis, about al qaeda, al nusra and syria and his mental state, the person conflicts, vitt igs clubs, what his ex-wife said. talking about france this morning. someone incarcerated for recruiting people to go fight, this is not boxed yet. it's not radicalization solely, not personal issues solely. it's not clear to me what his mind-set was. >> that's frustrating. we want to say, look, this guy is a muslim, and he figured out something about this extreme ideology, decided to own it, and
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came after us. >> exactly. >> that's what he is. the fact he may be some crazy, deranged person who also had sympathies and a lot of personal issues going on complicates it. makes it harder to deal with investigatively and just practically. >> exactly. we as human beings like to box something, label it and move on. that's not the case in this particular point. three major issues going on. radicalization, perm life and hatred of the gay life, personal life, where he's coming from, in his personal life, what his wife was saying about him. i don't think we can say this is purely radicalization or purely issues in his personal life, it's a combination of all three and using each of those to justify his other issues going on in his life. >> why does this matter? not an academic discussion? because people like you need to know, because it's about who you target, who you watch, who you see as a real threat and who you don't? >> right. we're looking backwards trying to figure what happened behind us. people like me in government today are looking forward.
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what lessons do i draw for the future? can i pull a thread that says, do we have an increasing number of people radicalized by isis? going in this direction and other directions, we can prevent this. >> here is something that matters going forward. often the best you can hope for in these unmitigated losses is that you learn something about how you can do things you can change. people are blaming the fbi. saying they had two bites at this guy. i think it's unfair on the facts, art, but a real issue. everyone i talk to in my source within the fbi community says the same thing. the law does not allow us to flag the gun purchase of someone like this. i said, but you can put him on the no-fly list. the law allows us to put someone we're looking at on a no-fly list. we cannot flag them. is that true? >> that is true. >> why? >> because the legislation, senate, congress, have to pass legislation to allow law enforcement to enforce these types of laws. >> you investigate me.
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you close the case. >> right. >> talk to me again because my name comes up when you're working another investigation. you then find out a couple years later i'm going to buy long guns and a handgun, and you can't pick up the phone and say, cuomo, i need to talk to you again. i know you and want to know about this? >> the problem, no connection between the last interview and going and purchasing a handgun. that's the gap we're looking at here. >> now, but it's not a mistake. it's how the system is designed. is that accurate? >> think about this. it is not an investigative issue. someone who participates with investigators i would like to say this individual is under investigation, we should, therefore, determine at this moment he cannot purchase a weapon. we do that with flying. this is a political question. do you want to give law enforcement the authority to say, as we've eliminated your right to travel, now we are also going to eliminate your right to bear arms because of the investigation. >> you guys are the farthest from politicians but seems to me there is a real hypocrisy here.
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a big movement in this country right now. obviously, second amendment rights, it's huge. 2008, the courted and heller gave it a big boost. politically, maybe keep all muslims out of here for a while? that population is also protecting the right of this guy to get this weapon, though? right? i mean -- if you're saying you need to have a conviction or an adjudication of mental illness, otherwise leave me alone and let me get my gun, that means this guy can get a gun. >> and no way to check on this. the fbi doesn't have the power. hipaa laws protecting medical records. the other interesting thing, last two shooting scenarios, san bernardino and here, have shown issues where things have fallen through the cracks. with san bernardino it was the fiancee visa issue. here showing a glap between closed fbi investigations what in can they do on the handgun and long gun. >> this matters.
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it we don't learn, same mistakeless be repeated. a lot more coverage what's going on with the orlando investigation ahead and hear from the people who matter most. the loved ones close to the victims. there's a lot to get to. let's do it. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states, and around the world. this is "new day." we are coming to you live from orlando, florida. first up, we are orlando. communities across the country and around the world uniting to remember the young lives cut short at the gay nightclub that you see behind us. thousands gathering here in downtown orlando last night to honor the victims. thousands more on the streets of new york. and in los angeles, a candlelight vigil to remember all of these lives lost. >> and remember, even here in florida, you know, there had been bitter political battles
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here, but now you have a community gay, straight, united maybe as never before, and we're going to talk to you about the faces on your screen. who are they? they're not just names and ages. they are lives that are lost and we're going to also take you into the investigation. this is a very confusioning picture we're getting about the man who did this and why. it's not fitting to the box of terror as investigators had expected. he'd been at this club a lot. been online in places that suggest a confusion in his own mind a lot. we have all of this covered for you. let's begin with cnn's boris sanchez. boris? >> reporter: chris, good morning. as we learn more about the individuals that were lost early sunday morning, the sons and daughters and family members that we lost, the world is standing up in solidarity with orlando as the city begins to heal. [ bell tolls ] thousands gathering in orlando to mourn the 49 lives cut short in sunday's terror attack at a gay nightclub.
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a bell tolling 49 times for each of the victims. >> be at peace, my friends. >> reporter: a community known as one of the happiest places on earth because of its world-famous theme parks, now a city grappling with being the site of the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. the latino and gay community hard-hit by this senseless attack. across the nation, thousands more coming together in solidarity to remember the victims. outside new york city's stonewall inn, the lgbt community gathering at the historic site where violence became the catalyst for the gay rights movement. >> hold up your lights. show the world we are standing together in new york city and we are sending the message that we will not accept hate anymore. >> reporter: in los angeles, pop star lady gaga read the names of all 49 victims at a candlelight vigil. >> orlando -- we are united with you. >> reporter: this as we're learning more stories of heroism from survivors.
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>> i just heard the shots getting closer and closer. at that int positive, time to go. >> reporter: ducking behind his deejay booth, ray survived saving a woman's life in the process. >> the girl was panicking. i kind of told her, be quiet and as soon as there was a break in the shots i kind of just pushed her and said come on, let's go. >> reporter: 25-year-old norman casi ano shot twice taking cover inside a bathroom. to saescape he climbed over the bodies of his friends that didn't survive. >> screaming, don't shoot us and he does the first round through the door. >> of the stall where you were. >> the stall i was in and he put his hand over the stall and just free shot. >> reporter: these heartwrernlgiheartwrernlg i stories have a affect around the world. sydney, australia, lighting up in rainbow to symbolically show that love wins.
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british singer adele opening up her concert with this emotional tribute. >> i would like to start tonight by dedicating this entire show to everybody in orlando at the pulse nightclub. right? [ inaudible ] ♪ i will may me down >> reporter: on the streets of london soho district, cheers at 49 balloons were released in honor of the victims. [ applause ] inspiring to see outpourings of support whether at vigils like that, outside of blood banks with hundreds of people lining up to donate to those who need it most. we're still expecting more vigils amend moments of condolence as president obama is expected to visit orlando thursday to personally offer condolences to those affected most by the shooting. chris? >> this community really coming
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together, boris. 5,000 people volunteer to give blood, and we're going to focus on the people who matter most in this context which is the victims. we're trying to get answers about why this happened as well. investigators have a lot of details about the whereabouts of this murderer and the final hours before the attack of the nightclub behind us. regulars say they've seen him before. cnn's jim sciutto joins us now with the latest on that part of the investigation. jim, a bill curveball. >> no question. what was he doing the hours before, days and weeks before, looking at other targets? new information based on cell phone tower information, that just in the hours before he came to the pulse nightclub he went to a disney property here, disney springs, part of the walt disney world resort. the question is, was that also a possible target he was scoping out? also went to disney world in april of this year with his family. a consistent, continuing line of inquiry for investigators, this
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as they learn more details exactly what happened inside the club during this horrific shooting. >> we said hello and everything. he was very friendly. >> reporter: clubgoers recalling interactions with the terrorist they say frequented the popular gay nightclub multiple times before carrying out the massacre, i would -- maybe twice a month see him on tuesday nights. >> reporter: several regular customers telling "the orlando sentinel" they'd seen him a few years on and off there. >> seemed comfortable. loved where he was at. he was drippinking with anothery at one time. >> reporter: another telling the "los angeles times" that the terrorist had messaged him on a gay dating app several times in the last year. >> he said the man had contacted him looking for clubs to go out to. >> reporter: this as we're getting the first look at the chaos inside the pulse nightclub
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as gunshots rang out. [ gunfire ] 25-year-old amanda hiding out in the club's bathroom where the terrorist continued his carnage. she did not survive. investigators working to piece together clues to trace the terrorist moves in the hours just before the attack. using cell phone tower data, investigators now say the terrorist spent several hours at disney springs. a popular shopping and entertainment center in walt disney world resort. believed to be alone at the time. his exact motives there, unclear. what is becoming more clear is that he appears to have been self-radicalized and expressed support for conflicting islamic groups. >> he said he was doing this for the leader of isil, but also appeared to claim solidarity with perpetrators of the boston marathon bombing, and solidarity with a florida man who died as a suicide bomber in syria for al nusra front a group in conflict with the so-called islamic
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state. >> reporter: investigators also say his electronics devices show searches for isis beheading videos and for anwar awlaki, the american imam who joined al qaeda in yemen. what he didn't online is key, because there is precedent for this. visiting those websiteses watching those videos have also radicalized other terrorists in previous attacks. this is a key line of inquiry here. as the president said yesterday, yes, may not have been tied to isis groups overseas, the fact is, it is enough and we've seen this before, just to look on the web, radicalize yourself, read this stuff and watch videos can lead to an attack like this. >> jim, stay with us, if you would. we also bring in former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security, juliette cayenne. struggling with your voice, because you've been talking about this but we'll get through it. one more thing about the disney
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location. known as downtown disney shopping before this? anything more that we can, we've learned about what his plans were? >> we just know he went there, and he was there several hours. they don't know yet whether he was scoping that or just killing time before he went down here. one distinction, disney springs downtown does not have security coordinates when you come in. no metal detectors. disney world, in recent months installed those as a precaution and it gets to their own concern about attacks like this. >> and that was a huge controversy when disney did that. put the screens out. >> and now it seems everybody was -- >> people have to get in grips with the new normal. you got to balance concerns about the safety of your family and these situations seem to pop up in more and more context all the time. talk about the desire to put this guy in a box. it makes people feel better on one level to say, terrorists, isis, radicalized,
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self-radicalized, that's it, we're done with it. this guy is not presenting that way. he's presenting in a complicated way as someone who was maybe really disturbed, angry and had access to a weapon. >> it's possible he hated everything. right? that he hated christians and hated gays, and hated all of these people. >> people say you make an excuse for islamic radicals trying to sdwlact he really is to protect him? >> he with they really is a radical islamic terrorist because he said so and also anti-gay, also killed 50 people, all of those are explanations, and i want to say, between him being islamic terrorist and an lgbt hater, he's probably both. >> and the same thing. right? especially isis. they practice hate on gays as part of like a core belief system. >> here's the thing. i've interviewed a lot of thee guys, talked to jihadis in a
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number of countries, with many of them, multiple motivations. thing is it's not purely religious. religion is a part of it, but oftentimes angry, young troubled men looking for a cause. this gives them a cause. gives them identity, something to be excited about, something to feel manly and masculine about. that's the profile and juliette knows this better than me, that is a consistent profile for folks who go down this path. >> jim, the fbi we know interviewed him at least twice. he had come up in their investigations of extremism and ties to radicals. and yet, you know, as we've all discussed, he wasn't on any sort of watch list that would keep him from getting a gun. what has the fbi said about what those interviews, if they bore any fruit? >> they determined, made a determination, and keep in mind they are interviewing dozens, hundreds of people like this every year, who do, who might express support for a terror group, who might post online, might follow someone on twitter, et cetera.
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they have to make judgment calls. they made a judgment call here. investigated him ten months. one factor, expressed support for conflicting groups. made outrageous claims being tied to these groups which weren't substantiated. the fbi said this guy the a crackpot, not a terror threat. turns out that wasn't correct. >> their hands of tied. pressure to not keep cases open, not target too people, too low a bar. not target people for having angry thoughts. where we saw it coming to a head, with the gun. not talking about gun law. let people have that conversation all they want. this is about fbi authority. they knew this guy was in a bad place somehow. maybe they can make a case, maybe they couldn't. goes to get a gun. they don't even communicate the attachment to his past, to that application. they have no ability to pick up the phone and ask any questions. >> exactly right. i think that's why i'm sort of
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less interested in thinking about the motivation and now talking about the guns. i honestly mean that, we may never figure out what motivated him. he got guns, and was interviewed by the fbi. it's indefensible at this stage. >> that's got to change. you would submit, that's got to change. they have to flag somebody if he's on their radar. >> and another area, the fbi did notify his employers. i think that's odd. >> i get it. you get it. you're a lawyer. so much political pressure to put all of these things in place. >> of course, if you're not guilty of anything, then you can't -- >> say it all the time. act your employer, can't make a case? civil liberties people go crazy. take his ability to get a gun without a conviction and adjudication of mental illness? second amendment people go crazy. >> a big thing. we have the fbi and dhs. the u.s. does not have a domestic intelligence unit. over seas, mi-6 and wrapped up this investigation because
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nothing was prosecutable. didn't find enough information. oftentimeses in these cases you can't prosecute but got a lot of smoke around there. can you keep him under surveillance? take what seems like a simple step, prevent him from buying a gun? you can't do that. this is america. we have loads of protections which make sense but also prevent other steps. >> the things looked at today. donald trump, hillary clinton talking about it in anything it change. in terms of all the smoke, an outlet somewhere. >> it's a political decision and can change. it was not the fbi's fault. >> no. >> thank you very much. the politics of this. the man at the top, president obama is going to come leer kuc orlando thursday, meet with the people who matter most. attack victims and their families and pay his respects. athena jones is live at the white house with more. what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. right. the white house wants to pay his respects to the families and also stand in solidarity with this community at it begins to recover. we're still awaiting more details on exactly what he'll do
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and who he'll meet with while in orlando. in similar trips in the past he's met not only with the victims' families and with first responders, with hospital staff, with law enforcement. we expect he'll deliver remarks to the press. we've heard the president speak about this a number of times already since the shooting, but in his most extensive remarks yesterday in the oval office, the president described the shooting as a result of home-grown extremism saying the shooter was likely influenced an radicalized by extreme it ideology by the internet but not expectly directed to carry out this attack by a specific terrorist organization. we've also heard the president talk about the need to keep dangerous weapons, what he calls weapons of war, like the rifle the assailant used, out of the hands of people who are dangerous. we could hear him touch on those themes in orlando and also later today when he's expected to speak after he meets with his national security council. alisyn? >> okay.
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thank you very much for that, athena. well, coming up, we want to honor the terribly short life of one of the attack victims. luis getting reaction from famed author j.k. rowling. up next, luiss friends will tell us what he meant to them. [ guitar playing ] ugh. heartburn. sorry ma'am. no burning here. try new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you don't have heartburn. new alka-seltzer heartburn relief gummies. enjoy the relief.
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49 lives, innocent lives, taken from our world for no good reason by a deranged murderer at the gay nightclub behind us. one of the youngest victims, 21-year-old lewis vielma. worked at university studios and a real passion for him. joining us, co-workers al and kelly. al, kelly, thank you for being here. i know this is not a conversation you ever wanted to have, but you recognize, kelly, it's so important to remember the people who were taken. not just caught up in the man
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who took them from all of us. so tell me about this young man, 22 years old. how should people remember luis? >> he was amazingly funny. he was the coolest, happiest person you would have ever met. >> funny, joke teller? funny, quick? what kind of funny? >> all of it. >> goofy. >> all of it. >> the whole package? >> he was a goofy guy. >> yeah. very down to earth. he could be your best friend to anyone. he was always there for you, always had your back. everybody loved and respected him. nothing you could ever say bad about him, ever. >> just a kid. 22 years old, but knew his passion. knew what he wanted to be. tell me about that. >> with him, he loved soccer a lot, and he loves being with his family. he loved friends. he loved, loved, loved disaster, where we had met him through university. loved harry potter, working for the wizarding world and he, it
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was a lot he had to look forward. >> when you heard about this, did it even make sense? you hear about luis, he had a girlfriend, a gay club. why would he have been there? >> of course he was there. he was friends with everybody and he was the one that was ready to, to go and have a good time, and -- >> he'd never been there before? is that true? >> no. >> it was going to be a great night and he had been talking about that on social media. he was excited, why? >> he had a friend coming up from miami. they were going out and ready to have a good time. >> one of the reasons luis' story pops out is because he represented everything that you want this to be about. you know? that, sure, gay/straight, they hang out together. they love each other, they're friends, as opposed to the person who went in there who was either confused, mad, angered about that type of relationship and tried to destroy it. when you learned about this, how did it make sense to you?
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>> it didn't. it really didn't. >> he was the sweetest, kindest person you could ever, you could ever know, and anyone that knew him, or -- or came in contact with lihim, all he wanted to do was just celebrate life. >> i don't want to upset you, but i want you to tell people why it's upsetting? what was lost about him kelly? that's what i want people to understand. when you heard about it, you lost your friend, you lost someone who had so much passion for life and what does that mean in terms of what's not here now? >> i -- i just don't understand why he's gone. why -- why did this have to happen? why -- i just don't understand it. i don't. i don't. >> and our prayers are with, you know, everybody. his family, and tony and laura, that are still in the hospital right now, and fighting and trying to come out of things, and -- we just want to be kind of, you know, they're the light
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and inspiration that's kind of re-birthed this, and, and i know luis would be happy that they're fighting, and staying strong. >> a silver lining aspect to this, for luis' memory, that j.k. rowling heard about this and has come out about it. expressing concern of the loss, and congratulating his enthusiasm. what do you think that would have meant to your friend? >> oh, gosh. he would have loved it. he loved harry potter. >> it wasn't just a job for him? >> oh, no. >> no. he liked the series, and so i think he would have freaked out a little. >> yeah. in a good way. >> in a good way. >> a very good way. >> you lost the friend. what are you going to try to hold with you going forward? >> everything about him. everything about the guy. he -- he was inspiring, inspired a lot of people. you know? he was -- you know, if you had a bad day, he always picked you up. if you were trying to get through work and just trying to
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move up, he was always there with the confidence behind you. >> always smiling. >> always smiling. always -- always there for you. like i said, he was everyone's best friend and not because he had to, because he wanted to. that's the kind of person he was. >> what does it mean to you that the community exploded in support of the people who were in that dlaub nigthat club that. so many people coming forward to give blood. some 5,000 people in line. you see the vigils. what does that mean to you? >> it's been overwhelming. it's very nice to know. i saw a video of everybody around the world, you know, holding vigils, and it's just -- it's nice to know that we're not alone. we're not -- not trying to struggle through this on our own. we have everybody. >> how has it been as word has spread that luis is gone? i know the communities that were at the war so tight. what's reaction been? >> it's been hard.
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people are trying to smile. they're trying to, you know, remember him and everyone else that, you know, was involved in this, and trying to just show a lot of love and support, and but it's been very emotional for everybody. especially in the universal family and everybody. >> trying to get a sense of reading about him. because to me, i get stuck on 22, 22, you know, how much -- but seems he really knew who he was and what he wanted out of life. did he have a big dream that people should know about or just living the dream? >> he was living the dream. he was living it. every time we saw him, it was like, that was like -- it's great to be here. you know? and i think that's the thing that inspired everybody that he knew is that, he didn't take anything for granted. you know? and -- like this was the destination. you know? >> then he figured out what takes some of us our entire lives to figure out and a small measure of solace of someone
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taken so soon. thank you for talking about your friend luis. we wanted him remembered for the right reasons. >> absolutely. >> i know it goes like that. thank you for being with us. all right? >> thank you very much. >> all right. this situation is something that's going to reverberate on many levels. you see this community coming together. you see our politicians coming apart. the 2016 race has been reflecting what happened here in orlando and not in the best ways. donald trump suggesting president obama might have an ulterior motive when it comes to handling radical islam. we're going to uk talk about that with one of trump's top advisors, next.
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hillary clinton and donald trump offering a sharp contrast in their response to the orlando terror attacks. trump expanding his call for a muslim ban and clinton calling
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again for stricter gun laws. >> if the fbi is watching you for a suspected terrorist link, you shouldn't be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked! >> and, yes, if you're too dangerous to get on a plane, you are too dangerous to buy a gun in america! >> it will be lifted, this ban, when and as a nation we're in a position to republicanerly and perfectly screen these people coming into our country. they are pouring in and we don't know what we're doing. we cannot continue to allow thousands upon thousands of people to pour into our country, many of whom have the same thought process as this savage killer. >> joining us now, sam clovis, the co-chairman and policy adviser for the trump campaign. good morning, sam. >> good morning, alisyn. how are you? >> i'm doing well. sam, should this gunman have
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been allowed to purchase guns? >> well, i think the interesting part of this is, if he was under scrutiny twice by the fbi and i think there are, is some validity to the point if you're under investigation, criminal investigation, there are many laws in many states that prohibit people who are under investigation from being able to purchase guns, and so i really don't have too much of a problem here, if you're under criminal investigation for a hold being put on that. that makes sense to me. so i'm not -- i'm not sure, because we already have those laws in existence in a lot of states. >> so mr. trump is comfortable, if someone is suspected of having radical ties and they are under criminal investigation with them not being able to purchase guns? >> i think if a person is under criminal investigation and plenty of precedent out there for this at the state level,
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that if you're under criminal investigation, you probably shouldn't be allowed to go into a gun, because that should show up in a background check. i mean, those are the kinds of things that the background check should be there for. if you're on a watch list, if you're under investigation. those things can be tagged and tabbed and i think that those are exactly the way the states are doing it across the country, and we don't seem to see much outcry there. in fact, in the state of iowa we've gone through this process a couple of times on different issues, and that's where i'm from and why i reference that, because it makes sense to keep people from buying guns that have, might have a violent streak in them, or identified as violent. >> yeah. i mean, because you know that there actually is pushback on this. the nra isn't comfortable with it. one of the arguments against doing this, people are on the watch list erroneously.
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violating their second amendment rights. blanket statement, on an fbi watch list, investigated by the fbi you don't get to purchase a gun. that is different than some of the gun wisdom out there. >> also i would say that there's the other side of this, too, alisyn. we haven't talked about, that is the civil liberties side. because there are a lot of people who get identified and put on watch lists and a difference between being put on a watch list and being under criminal investigation. criminal investigation can be easily tabbed in the background check and there's quite a difference. oftentimes people get put on watch lists very -- we have a lot of famous people, i think ted kennedy was on a watch list at one time, and i'm not sure the late senator from massachusetts probably deserved to be there. so there are some abuses that take place and this is the other side of it. you have to be very careful about protecting civil liberties as well. >> yep. okay. sam, when mr. trump said that president obama gets what
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happened better than anyone understands, what does he mean? >> i'm not exactly sure. i think for a lot of us, and, again, i think for a lot of people in this country, it is incomprehensible that this president cannot get his head around or cannot seem to get his head around the notion that we are at war with a political ideology, and that political ideology is radical islam and we have people, whether theyen lone wolf or whether they be organized or in groups or cells, or whether they be a full-blown militia or army, that we have a hard time getting our heads around the fact that this president cannot comprehend and will not state what the problem is. any 12-step program anybody's ever involved in says you have to be able to identify and recognize the problem before you can cure it. and it doesn't seem this president has that ability. >> and what was mr. trump saying is the reason that he thinks
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that mr. obama won't say that? >> i'm not exactly sure what the reasons are, and i'm not sure mr. trump knows what the reasons are. i think that there are questions, and you have to run the whole spectrum of thought on this, is to say that either this -- maybe the president is indifferent to this, or maybe the president is some, in some form of denial and not willing to accept or acknowledge these issues, or he considers this as it was back in the 1990s before the clinton administration came in, and i was there when we saw this dramatic shift from treating all terrorist acts as crimes to starting to treat them at acts of war, then we started to see a shift. i'm not sure that the president's caught up with that. >> okay. because i just -- just to be clear, when mr. trump said, either he's not smart, which i don't think many people have said about president obama, or he's got something else in mind. it sounded to some ears as though he was, mr. trump was
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suggesting there was something behind it. there was an ulterior motive, something more sinister? >> i'm not sure that that's the implicati implication. i think people hear what he want to hear and sometimes the way people say things, we have a very unconventional candidate who has done extremely well in a very difficult endeavor, and i think sometimes the people hear things and try to interpret those things and oftentimes make mistakes. we never have any trouble understanding mr. trump. i don't know why everybody else does. so -- >> just to be clear, sam, in no way in no way does mr. trump believe that president obama is somehow sympathetic to the cause of radical islam? >> i don't think that it is fair to say that he is sympathetic to the cause of radical islam because we lost thousands and
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thousands of lives and actually tense of thousands of lives around the world to radical islam. i think there is a problem with the president, a leader of the largest and freest nation in the world, there is a problem if he cannot acknowledge this. and there has to be some reason behind that that he simply will not acknowledge what is going on and what has been going on for the past 25 years. >> sam clovis, from the trump campaign, thanks so much for being on "new day." >> alisyn, you guys are doing a great job down there. really appreciate your work. >> thanks so much, sam. well, donald trump slamming hillary clinton's call to reinstate a ban on assault weapons. so we will talk about exactly what she wants with a congressman who has endorsed hillary clinton. ♪
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watch on demand, and download your dvr shows anywhere. donald trump sees what happened in orlando as a new reason to call for a muslim travel ban to the united states. hillary clinton sees it as a new reason to call for a ban or tactical weapons. let's discuss with ranking member of the house intelligence committee and clinton supporter congressman adam schiff of california. it's good to have you, congressman, as always. >> thank you. >> tell me why you believe orlando makes the case that we are a law, or some laws away from this never happening again? >> look, i think in the wake of orlando, as we have with every terrorist attack, we try to figure out what more can we do to prevent this?
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make a new intelligence, intensify the fight against isis in iraq and syria? what steps can we take? but one step has been considered off limits, and that is how do we prevent these terrorists, these home-grown radicals from getting access to weapons where they can kill a lot of people in a short period of time, and i think increasingly americans are asking, why is it possible to keep someone from flying if they're considered a terrorism risk, but not to appreciate them from g -- prevent them from getting weapons that can kill so many people. that's why there's so much attention on the legislation we've tried to pass to have a no-buy list as well as a no-fly list. >> right. okay. we've been putting a lot of concentration on this, but it's a little tricky issue to articulate. i don't think what orlando shows is as simple as a, hey, we need new gun laws, more gun laws. i think this is more about the investigative discretion of the fbi. hair getting a lot of stink put
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on them wrongly. they did nothing wrong. they are legally not allowed to reach out and flag this type of gun purchase by somebody just because of prior contact. as you point out, congressman, they can do that with a no-fly list, but there are reasons for this. people who fight for civil lictlict liberties as you do can put restrictions on what the fbi can do in overextendi ining themsel. second amendment proponents handcuffed the fbi by not allowing this to be a basis for flagging a gun purchase. how do we address those issues? >> chris, you're absolutely right, and i think we put an incredible onus on the fbi because they're doing these investigations in all 50 states. there are hundreds if not thousands of suspects, and it's simply the case that with many of these cases, probably in most of these cases, there's not enough evidence to make an arrest. they can't show that the person has provided materiel support for tear original and may not be
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a current legal basis to preclude them from getting a weapon. their hands are often tied, as you point out, it's unfair to lay this at the feet of the fbi, but that doesn't mean that we're powerless to make changes and when there is sufficient evidence to put someone on a watch list or somebody has been watch listed in the past, certainly when they go to buy and assault weapon, when there's evidence that the intentions that they may have expressed, the statements they may have made are turning into action, certainly the fbi ought to be alerted so they can resume their investigation, if not a prohibition if someone is on a no-fly liftst that they get tha weapon. and that's not somebody the fbi can do on their own. you're right. >> this guy from orlando wasn't on a watch list, not an open sympathizer, his claim was so bizarre and inconsistent.
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winds up being a more dicey proposition. white now it's cristing ystal b we're so angry about what happened. today, tomorrow, civil liberties, you can't make a case, let these people live his or her liar and the second amendment proponent saying, whoa, don't get between me and my gun unless you have a conviction. almost sounds like, when i heard secretary clinton in our interview yesterday, that there's a false enthusiasm for change here. i don't see what's going to change in the wake of this, unless that's addressed? >> there are due process issues, you're absolutely right, that could need to be addressed pr for my part, if somebody has been watch listed even if ultimately removed from the watch list and go to purchase an assault weapon, that ought to be enough to trigger the fbi to take another look. have the sentiments expressed, the interest in an attack that didn't motivate into action previously for which the fbi had to close their case, do they now have reason to reopen that case? i think that's something that
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the fbi ought to know and be able to use its discretion. when you can make a sufficient showing, though, that someone is a threat, if it's sufficient, for example, and you have enough due process to keep him off a plane, because they may be interested in killing the people on that plane, that should also rise to the level, i think, of preventing them from getting an assault weapon where they can kill the same number of people. >> another political point is language here. secretary clinton said, look, i have not problem calling this extreme islamism. a word we don't hear often but experts recommend it as the most precise analogy of what the perversion of the faith is. i'll say it. not because i'm afraid the way donald trump is suggesting, it's because that's what isis wants us to say. they want this to be a holy war, what they're marketing is. i'm not going to give them that. do you a agree with that? >> i do agree with the comments the secretary has made. we don't want to cal vkalvicakc.
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identifies people at risk of radicalization and help muslim allies in the fight in iraq and syria. enormously counterprushoductive and one other point. those that have this fixation on the language ought to be able to say why if we use the term that they like that calls for some kind of a different policy, and they've never made that step forward. in other words, they can take the semantic argument but they don't say, if you call it what we think you should call it it leads to a different strategy or different approach, because basically, they have no different approach to offer. >> interesting. congressman, thank you for having the conversation today. this will continue, because no change happens quickly if at
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all. thank you, sir. >> thanks, chris. no question that these situations, the situation in orlando will have a bearing on the election and it should. a chance to look at these two candidates and see their approach. donald trump went very strong after the president yesterday saying not only is the approach to terrorism wrong but he may be personally compromised. what is he implying about our commander in chief? next. the economy is growing, with creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and new infrastructure for a new generation attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. like in rochester, with world-class botox. and in buffalo, where medicine meets the future. let us help grow your company's tomorrow - today - at think fixing your windshield is a big hassle? not with safelite. this family needed their windshield replaced, but they're daughters heart was set on going to the zoo.
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political rhetoric surrounding the terror attack here in orlando is getting divisive. donald trump questioning whether president obama may have had some ulterior interest in that tack. >> he doesn't get it, or he gets it better than anybody understands. it is one or the other. either one is unacceptable. we're led by a man that is either not tough, not smart, or he has something else in mind. the something else in mind, you know, people can't believe it. people cannot -- they cannot believe that president obama is acting the way he acts, and can't even mention the words radical islamic terror echl. there is something going on.
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it is inconceivable. >> all right, here to discuss this and more, cnn political commentator and new york times, charles lowe. how do you interpret this. >> i can only interpret over the context over his career beginning soon after the president began to run and was elected, you know. in that context, what he has always questioned the president's identity, his religion, if you put it into that sort of context, it is very clear that he means to question his loyalty, his patriotism, whether he has intimate knowledge of islamic terror. that is outrageous. i mean, i can't even process how a person could come to that conclusion. >> satisfying to the haters, same rationale why he harps on the word. why won't he say radical islamic
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terror. any academic will say the same thing. one, it is inaccurate and it exposes an entire faith to a small portion of it. i don't want to hear that as these people keep doing it. that's why trump's angle is what it is. >> if you say it appeals to hatred, then you have to analyze. >> no, to haters, people who hate the terrorists. >> but then you have to analyze what is his constituency, and they have to analyze themselves and say if this the person who i've lot my lot in with, and this is the standard bearer that i support or i am even a member of, then what does that say about me. and i cannot -- you know, sitti sitting iddly by, you either. >> not so fast.
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we just had sam clovis, as well as ben ferguson, who you know, who said that what they hear is just the abhorense, he should call it islamic terror, and it is political correctness. >> listen, is it correct to say that there are people who are exploiting a particular religion, islam. the muslim faith. absolutely. is it correct to say that there is a strand in the faith of people exploiting it to turn people into weapons, absolutely. and i think the people are saying that. what we don't want to do is get to the point where, you know, this -- this man, this animal, this coward, was probably, what, 15, 16 years old in 9/11. we know what happened after 9/11. incredible surge in hate crimes
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against muslim americans in this country. he was born right here. he is living that experience, right. and what we don't want to do is to have the next 15, 16-year-old boy, who is weak of mind, susceptible to being turned to isis, experiencing hatred again, and saying this country doesn't love me. i need to go look for something else. i need to go look for a reason to hurt the people, innocent people in this country. what we don't want to do is facilitate the sort of behavior. >> so you don't see it as pl political correctness. >> your biggest adversary in the fight against isis and people who are preverting islam are of those faith. number one, those the people that are getting killed worldwide. most people who get killed by these terrorists are in fact muslim. they have in a vested interest, an intimate interest in stopping
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it. they are your closest source, in the mosques in the neighborhoods, if they are willing to come forward and say i see something that i know is not right, i want to protect my family and neighborhood, my faith, that is your biggest ally. you don't want to turn those people off. >> we have been, i thought, because of common sense, we've been very focused on, this is the first time we've seen gays targeted like this under terror. i don't know that this man makes this definition yet. that's for the investigators to figu figure out. that word isn't getting the traction we thought it would. we have never seen gays be attacked like this. i know a lot of people weren't gay, they just love hanging out with the gay people in the club. are you saying that the word gay is not getting said? >> well, it is very curious, from some of the same quarters where you're saying the president is not saying islamic terror, some people aren't
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saying lgbt people who were attacked. >> why? >> that's the question. >> why was -- >> my theory is that it is identity politics. conservatives don't like it. they see them as americans. they seem them as 49 americans killed. why distinguish. >> you cannot have it both ways. this man targeted a specific group of people, lgbt people. who he targeted it on a specific night even, right, the latino community and that night. the l.a. times suggests that he had been to lgbt clubs before, that they had profiles on apps where men to go meet other men. this is a facet of the story we cannot down-play the idea that of homofobio, once you allow that to be normalized in you, it allows you to hate everyone, to
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be able to hurt anyone. >> maya angelou, many problems in this world that hasn't saved one. >> thank you. we have much more coverage of the orlando attack next. including a survivor inside the nightclub speaking out. let's get right to it. we want to welcome you, our viewers in the united states and around the world. we're in orlando, florida. behind us, the scene of the deadliest gun attack in the state's history. we want to focus on those taken to soon in this nightclub. we've been seeing it reverberate not here just in orlando, but in the world, honoring the victims. take a look at the pictures. we had people here, the streets of new york, los angeles, candlelight vigils, all expressing the same sense of
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unity. >> we're going to pay tribute to those 49 people murdered in sunday's terror attack, family members and friends have been sharing their memories, and we're hearing also new stories of survival and heroism during that carnage. we're also learning more about the killer's history, and his whereabouts the massacre, this as the rhetoric. let's start with boris sanchez, boris. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn, the lives that were lost early sunday morning at the pulse nightclub, we're also watching the world to come together, to stand in solidarity, as they begin the long process of healing. thousands gathering in orlando, to mourn the 49 lives cut short in sunday's terror attack at gay
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nightclub. a bell, tolling 49 times for each of the victims. a community, known as one of the happiest places on east, now a city grappling with the site of the worst mass shooting in u.s. history. the latino and gay community, hard hit by this senseless attack. across the nations, thousands more coming together in solidarity to remember the victims. outside new york city's stone wall in, gathering at the historic site, where violence game the catalyst for the gay rights movement. >> hold up your lights, show the world we are standing together in new york city, and we are sending a message that we will not accept hate any more. >> in los angeles, lady gaga read the name of all 49 syrinvi at a candlelight vigil. >> we are united with you. >> reporter: this, as we're hearing more stories from survivo
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survivors. >> at this point i was like all right, it's time to zrchlts ducking behind the d.j. both, ray rivera survived. >> the girl was down there panicking. i told her she needed to be quiet. as soon as there was a break in the shots, i pushed her and said let's go. >> reporter: norman casiano was shot twice, taking cover inside a bathroom. to escape, he climbed over the bodies of his friends that couldn't make it out alive. >> someone started screaming, please, please, please don't shoot us. don't shoot us. he does the first round through the door. >> of the stall that you were. >> of the stall where i was in, and he put his hand over the stall, and just free shot. >> reporter: these heart wrenching stories having an affect around the world. sidney, paris, lighting up in rainbow colors to symbolically show that love wins. british singer, adele, opening her concert with this emotional
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tribute. >> i would like to start tonight by dedicating this entire show and everybody in orlando. the lgbtq community. >> reporter: on the streets of london's so ho district, a mek kay for the lgbt district, cheers as 49 balloons were released in honor of the victims. and whether it is for vigils like these around the world or online donations, huge crowds we've seen outside of blood donations centers, all of these statements of unity are inspiring, and we can expect more as president obama is set to visit orlando on thursday, and personally offer condolences to the families of those killed in sunday morning's attack. alisyn. >> okay, boris, thank you for all of that. joining us now is samuel
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maldanoda. he was inside. he lost a shocking number of friends in the attack. sam, thanks so much for being here. you didn't just lose one friend or two friends. how many friends did you lose? >> ten. >> you lost ten friends. >> yes. >> that night. can you tell us what happened when you were inside. you are a vendor, selling tacos, food snacks, finger foods. tell us what happened when the shots started. >> being that i work in the courtyard, the music at first, you know, it was -- you cannot hear clearly what it was. we just literally, when we started the music, because the music, sometimes you hear pops. >> yeah. >> but the music would block those type of noises. >> right, of course. >> being that we were so busy at that time, when it started to close by 2:30, then me and my partner, we were like, you know, busy doing our stuff, getting ready for the busy half hour,
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and we just heard like a little pop. >> yeah. >> but we didn't pay no mind, because being that there is willing a d.j. outside. >> when were you aware. >> when people started running from inside out. one young girl pulled my partner by the hand and pulled him down and that's when we realized it. but after that, we just literally saw this young lady, young girl, drenched in blood, just running towards us and he was hitting her toward the back. >> still shooting her. >> she fell literally, fell flat in front of us. >> and you grabbed her. >> we couldn't grab her, because i was behind the tables. i had like a tables, like an l-shape. >> because i had read there were other people under the table. you had tried to get somebody to shelter. >> correct. actually trying to go to the other side towards where i was, me and my partner, we were, at the table.
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because we have black tablecloth covering the tables, that's how we - me and my partner, we just got there and we went. >> you hid? >> yeah. >> did you see the gunman? >> no, not face-to-face. the only thing that i saw was his legs. and point of the rifle when he was pointing down. when he was walking from the inside towards the courtyard. >> now that you've seen his picture, there is news that he had been to the pulse nightclub before. did you see that person? >> no, ma'am. >> the things you saw in that nightclub saturday night are unimaginable to most of us. what was happening while you were waiting for police to come? this went on for a shockingly long time. >> well, the most shocking thing is my partner actually got the chance to leave the premises before i did. >> so he ran out from underneath the table? >> he did, because he was towards, closer to that gate that they --
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>> the door. >> i was on the other side. literally, when he ran, and i was going to follow him, that's when i look inside and i saw the bodies, and the floor, but i saw him going towards outside again. >> the gunman, you saw the gunman's feet coming back towards you. >> correct. so that's why i hid, i went back to where my station was, and i hid back again. there was a young lady that actually we were talking before that. it was her first time and she was literally panicking, and screaming and but because at that time there was no music, and there was no gunshot, she was literally -- i went on top of her and covered her mouth as strong as i could so he would not hear us because we were afraid. there was a little gap between the two tables and the tablecloth and i literally saw walking towards where we were. it was not even five steps. >> oh, my god, sam. >> and that's when i saw that he
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dropped one of the krarjt cartr and i heard when he put one back. i covered her mouth, and then he -- i saw when he went, but then he just turned back, and went back inside. when he went back inside, he started shooting again, but he -- and then when i got up and looked, i just saw his back. but literally, when he was shooting, he was stit shooting at these people that were on the floor, and you would see these bodies just jumping from the shooting that he was just still -- even though there was no -- he was just shooting at them. i would literally see these bodies just jumping, and then that's when i grabbed her and then we went outside. >> meaning that you saw people who were already killed being shot over and over again? >> over and over. >> was he saying anything? >> i did not hear anything that he was saying. only the shots. >> how did you get the courage
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to get up from under the table and run outside? >> it was -- sometimes, because literally when i saw that he was just, you know, turned his back. >> you saw your moment. >> i saw the moment that i needed to go. just grabbed the young lady. >> were you able to grab her? >> yeah, i grab her and then i pushed her so she can go first and then i went behind her. >> and when you got outside, what was happening? did you see the police trying to get in. >> as soon as i got out, i saw two officers who were already with their gun and then one was in the gate. he was the one who grabbed me by the hand and pushed me aside. i just ran to where the parking lot was, that's where i saw my partner, but there there were already police officers. i guess my thing is that when -- i guess the shoot man already noticed there were already cops, the lights and everything, that's why i guess he went back inside from the courtyard. >> how long do you think you were hiding? explain the timeline here of
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your terror. >> i can say probably i was there like a minute and a half or two. it was just constant. it was things were -- sometimes you cannot think. it was just there. sometimes, fear, you thought it was forever. >> yes, it sounds like it. so much happening in your life on the line. >>. there were hostages obviously in there. >> correct. >> did you -- were you watching what was unfolding? >> correct. they just made us go and stay in the area. so we were behind the avenue of kelly avenue, and then they just made us stay there for a while, and then -- >> your friends were still inside. >> my friends were still inside. we tried to call. nobody was answering. i was calling them, no answer, no nothing. see if they were okay. and then all of a sudden, it was just like dead silence, into then a few hours, then that's
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when you heard the big bomb, and then -- >> the police set off. >> correct. and all these cars that the alarms, they are all started turning on and a big commotion. they made us lay in the street, because there. >> lay down. >> correct. because there was a gun battle. >> correct. when that big bomb went off that the police used as a diverse tactic, did you see more hostaging coming out? >> no, because i was on the other side. they were going towards the front. i was on the other side. we got to see them afterwards, because when everything then ended, then they walk us to go to the behind the pulse club to the avenue, so we all got to meet together. >> those who were -- who had survived. there were negotiations, we now
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know, going on with the gun man. did you hear any of that? >> no, ma'am. >> once you got outside, when did you realize the ee enormity of this, of what had happened in there? how many people were killed and how many people were still missing? >> when we got outside, i starr started looking, i did not see my friends. >> moments before you were talking to your friends. oh, yeah, we were outside and they were buying things, they were eating, we were just laughing. we were just -- like a normal, typical saturday, when we get together. >> you know, we've talked about what this means to the gay community and the huge loss that this has been for the gay community but it is also for the latin, puerto rican community here, because there were so many puerto ricans here in orlando and so many killed. they were your friends. >> yes. >> when did you find out how many friends you lost? >> through that evening, when i go home and started putting the
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news. actually one of the friends was omadar. that was the first one that i -- and he literally was with me towards the end because we were buying and we were joking and stuff like that. i gave him some food. he said oh, i'm kind of tipsy. that's when i realized, he was the first one that they identified. and then literally, towards the night, hearing the news back and forth. i couldn't sleep that night, so. >> of course not. >> that morning, i was still not able to sleep. >> you haven't slept? >> no, i haven't slept, because constantly, you just hear the shots. these people screaming, and these people seeing, jumping. >> have you reached out for help? >> i have, yeah. me and my partner. he has been worst, you know, than i am. but he has been more devastated, so we're getting help. >> sam, we wish you the best.
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we're so sorry for the loss that you've experienced. we appreciate you helping us understand the terror that was going on inside there, and we will check back in with you and make sure you're okay. thank you, sam. new details emerging about the orlando terrorist that we've been talking about. did the man who killed these 49 people, did he visit this nightclub before? what club regulars are saying that might have known him. that's next. gard, their flea and tick killer doesn't have to be. nexgard, the vet's #1 choice for dogs, is a delicious, beef-flavored chew that kills both fleas and ticks. so it's easy to give, easy to take. reported side effects include vomiting, itching, diarrhea, lethargy and lack of appetite. use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures. why mess around? for powerful flea and tick protection, ask your vet about nexgard. the #1 choice of vets for their dogs and yours.
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while the evil is pretty obvious, a lot of new facts about where the murderer was and why, and what he was motivated by. all we know is the absolute truth is 49 innocent people inside the gay nightclub over my shoulder are gone. 50 plus more others were hurt, many still fighting for what will be the rest of their lives. let's discuss the investigation with cnn chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. we also have regina hill and orlando city commissioner and
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phillip mudd, and former cia counterterrorism. thank you to you, regina, i know you're very busy. a lot for investigation integrity, you will not discuss it, but tell us what people need to know. this issue of more arrests. frightening to people, because it makes them think were there more people inside who tried to kill people, more people who may launch attacks. anything that you can provide guidance on? >> the city is safe. we have the finest people from around america investigating this case. but more so, our chief of police, our mayor, with his great leadership, has made sure orlando has always been a safe city and will remain a safe city. people are on the ground that care, and the city has become united. >> good. unity is needed here and will be in the days ahead. no proof of a larger cell?
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>> actually, as i stated, the city is safe. >> all right, we'll take it. this would not be unusual to see more arrests, not related to other bad guys with guns ready to attack, right? >> that's right. sometimes we talk about this as a cell, if there are multiple people. if you look at cases like this, i'm not talking about this one specifically, but cases that roll days or weeks, you may think of a cluster of people, some may know something has gone wrong. they may not know he is coming to a club that night. i'm sure federal investigators, stated and local, asking questions whether or not will is an implement threat, nobody thinks so, but whether people knew about this. the second thing you have to remember, we're not talking about supposition or guesses. once in 72 hours after the attack you decide you've got something that is larger than one individual, you have to go to a court. so in that rush to judgment, we have to say the people doing the investigation not only have to guess that there might have been people who are whitting, but that they can prove it in court.
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>> we heard yesterday there may be more charges/arrests. there may be more than one person is new, but are you hearing along the lines of phil's analysis that this is about who knew what, not people working in concert? >> that's right. echoing what the commissioner has said, they're not looking for a fellow attacker, right. so you have other possibilities then. support network, someone who helped him do this, buy something. >> we know this guy was screwed up for a long time. >> no question. >> he had been to this report, he had been online. >> so then that's another other category. are there people that knew something that didn't report. so indirectly, right, so the sin of omission, they knew something and didn't come to the police. >> politically, phil, you're no politician, under stating it, but understand the words at play. they won't call it radical islamic terror, obama and his administration. that's because they're trying protect, hypersensitive, you don't see it that way?
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>> i don't. i look it through the eyes of the adversary. isis, al qaeda before them, they want to be on a plain with the united states. we're engaged in a war, we can't fight conventionnally so we're going to engage in terror. >> what do they want. >> they want to be called terrorists. it is not legitimate to be called murders, because that's the killing of innocence. terrorism is a killing of an adversa adversary. don't call them what they want to be called. call them murders. >> it was a republican president, george w. bush, after a far worst attack, after 9/11, we are not at war with islam the faith, we're at war with people inside the faith, bastardizing the faith. >> what spurs the hatred of this part of the world and the extreme ideologies. is it true when you say radical islamic, as the experts direct
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us to say, radical islamism, that you do upset muslims in that part of the world and they feel you're folding them? >> you know what, personally, i think that over there, that kind of semantic distinction whether you call it islamist inspired terrorism, in my experience doesn't matter so much, the words don't. but the implication that the faith as a whole certainly does. travel ban, it is just at a different level the language you use. >> i would like to interject. our city is not afraid. we're still out, we're still going to dinner. we're still embracing one another. and i'm so proud of how our city has gelled together. h how fear has not won. our country and state and
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especially orlando. >> how about the lines for the blood. >> indeed. >> non-dominationnal. 5,300 people. >> indeed, thousands out in the vigil last night in an open area, there in the middle of downtown orlando. as you stated, where there was -- gender was was not a matter, religion, color, was not a matter. what mattered was love, unity, and people. the people will not, will not live in fear in this america nor in this city of orlando. >> good to hear, regina, phil, jim, thank you very much. the question becomes, what do you do to make this less likely the next time. how do you combat a lone wolf. we have jeh johnson coming up. we're going to pay tribute to the people who matter most, the syringes victims of that tack. stay with us.
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the fbi says the orlando murderer was likely a homegrown
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extremist, with no direct ties to any terror network. so that makes what we're calling a lone wolf these days. how do you deal with this, and is there one way to deal with that. let's get some good insight from the homeland security secretary, jeh johnson. secretary, thank you for joining us. we know you have important work. we appreciate you making the time. there is a -- there is absolutely a frustration for people when things get subtle or layered. they want him to be a it errorist, that's what it is, islam, sympathetic to radical islam, he said it in a 911 call. but for you, on the investigative side, and how to keep us safe, you need to take into consideration the complexity of the layers of why someone does something. explain. >> that is correct, chris. the president very plainly said this was an act of terror, an act of hate. as you said in your lead-in just now from the investigation, based on what we know, it
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appears to have been what we refer to as a terrorist inspired act. we have no information at this point that he was part of a network. that it was terrorist directed from overseas. this the environment we're in. it is important for the american people to know that the president and i, law enforcement, national security, this is our number one priority. protecting the american public. protecting the homeland. our number one priority. because of the environment we're in, the prospect of home born bound extremists, it requires a role for the government and the public to play too. public awareness, public vigilance. if you see something, say something, is more than a slogan. it requires building bridges to american muslim communities so we can help them help us in our efforts. >> now, on that layer of analysis, secretary, as you know, we've been reporting this story hard and we keep hearing
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that there may be more charges. the frightening aspect, are there more gunman, an extended sense of some kind of cell, or is this about what you're referring to there, people who may have known something, been aware of his instability or deranged plans. >> it is still very early in the investigation. the attack was barely 48 hours or more ago. it was, you know, some 50 plus hours since the attack. we're still early in the investigation. but at this point it looks as if the gunman acted alone. that he was terrorist inspired. he was not directed from a terrorist organization overseas. but the fbi is aggressively, vigorously investigating this right now with a number of agents there on the ground there in orlando. >> the fbi has gotten some stink on them in the early analysis here that wow, they had at least two bites at this guy, and yet he was able to get a weapon. can you please explain to the audience the reality that the
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fbi is not allowed to flag a purchase by a man like this, even though they had a case that they closed, even though he was on their radar in different ways, because of the law? will you explain that. >> the fbi is very good at what it does in counterterrorism efforts. there are hundreds if not thousands of open investigations suspected terrorists, suspected terrorist plotting, and while an investigation is pending, the fbi will be very aggressive in interviewing the suspect, learning everything we can about the individual, possibly sending in informants, undercovers to talk to the suspect, and as director comey said yesterday, based upon what we knew at the time, the investigation was closed. while an investigation is open, there are a number of law enforcement national security homeland security agencies that are aware of it. we do a much better job now of connecting the dots than we did just a few years ago, but in any
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one time, there are hundreds if not thousands of open investigations, and the fbi does a very good job of detecting and blocking terrorist plots to our homeland. >> now, sources within the fbi responding to these allegations and questions, they've directed me two different ways. they said one, talk to your friends who push for better civil liberties protection and remember there is a cost to that. they don't want us to keep investigations open. they don't want us to keep people on lists indefinitely, even if it is a guy like this, that we've had multiple occasion to talk. and then talk to your second amendment friends, because they will only allow a background check to be on the basis of a conviction or of an adjudication of mental illness. do you agree with that notion? >> two things, chris. one, when you're dealing with homegrown extremists, the
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so-called lone wolf or lone actor, it is the case that almost always, somebody close to that person saw the signs. somebody close to that person was aware of a gun purchase. saw suspicious behavior, which is why our efforts to build bridges to various communities around the country are so important. why if you see something, say something is more than a slogan. on the gun control issue, i've been reluctant to plunge into this issue. i have enough contentious issues to deal with right now. i think we have to face the fact that meaningful responsible gun control is a matter of homeland security. it is a matter of public safety. it is also a matter of homeland security, given the tragic events in orlando, where you are given what happened in san bernardino last year, the american public and the congress have to face the fact that we need to address meaningful, responsible gun control to make it more difficult for a
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terrorist to get his hands on a gun. >> it literally does seem the fbi hand its hands tied because of that legal reckoning right now. secretary, we know you have lot of important work. we know it's early in the investigation. there may be more people charged. we will stay on the lookout thank you for joining us. >> thank you. one of the reasons, the most important reason that we care about these questions is because of all that was lost here in orlando. you have seen the faces, and we'll continue to show them to you. not of the man who murdered them, but of the 49 lives taken. anderson cooper paid tribute last night, and he joins us next. ♪ dogs - sure can be messy.
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focusing on the victims this morning, the 49 innocent people, who were killed inside that gay nightclub behind us. last night, anderson cooper began his program with a special tribute, reciting the names and telling a little detail of each of the victims' stories. it was a very emotional segment. here is just a part. >> there are more than a list of names. there are people who loved and were loved. there are people that had families and friends and dreams. the truth is, we don't know much
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about some of them. we want you to hear their names in a little bit about who they were. edward sotomayor, jr. his family said he was whitty, charming. and that he always left things better than he found them. he was 34 years old. carry monet recently graduated, she was just 18. christopher joseph san filip, said to be one of the most positive guys around. luis, juan rivera velasquez. he was the partner -- he was 37. antonio brown was a captain in the -- excuse me. he was a captain in the u.s. army reserve and graduate of
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florida a&m. alejandro reyes, jean rodriguez. we don't have pictures of these people. paul terrell henry was 31 years old. it is important that you hear their names. >> we want to talk more about this now, and anderson joins us live. anderson, great to see you. i watched that happen last night, your segment live as it was happening. from the very first name, you were choked up, what was happening. >> i think it is obviously an incredibly emotional time for everybody here, really. you know, i mean, all of us have spent the last, you know, yesterday talking to people who have lost loved ones, who were inside, whose lives were nearly snuffed out, and i don't know, i just think we put far too much focus on the killers in these situations. we all remember the names of the
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shooters from aurora and columbine, and, you know, sandy hook. and you know, we often don't remember the names of martin richard, from the boston bombing, craig mcdonald from newton, and you know, dave sanders from columbine. i don't know why we remember the names of the killers, and we often forget the people who lost their lives. >> it is an ongoing debate within the industry who you give attention to and how. there are some firsts that we're dealing with. you've seen a ton of these instances, right, you've traveled the country well over a dozen of them now at this count. we've never seen the lgbt population targeted this way. we've never seen a concentration of latinos. this was latin night there, presumably, the murderer knew that. and what do you think that is meaning right now in terms of how this is regarded, and what it means to people? >> yeah, you know, first of all,
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this isn't the first time. there is an unsolved case in new orleans, gay club was bombed, no one was ever found. >> this many lost their lives. >> gay people are targeted an awful lot, as all of us have covered. look, i don't think we should forget that this was a gay nightclub. this was a particular target. you know, i don't know how much this guy really knew about radical islam. yeah, he called in saying he supported isis. he also earlier talked about -- hezbollah. >> all these organizations, so he is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. and certainly not well informed, even in the world of radical jihad. but, you know, i don't -- it was interesting. when i was overseas when this happened, i flew back and in the arab media, the gulf media, they don't mention it was a gay nightclub that was attacked. they mentioned it occurred, but they don't mention it was a gay
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club. >> we have a lot of people who aren't mentioning it either. we were noticing that this morning. >> i find it interesting these politicians are coming forward talking about embracing the gay community, many of the politicians doing so, i've never heard them embrace or talk about gays, other than they say they shouldn't be able to be married. i find it interesting that suddenly we're seeing folks pop up on television talking about the, you know, protecting gay people, when i've never heard them say that before. >> maybe this is a catalyst. >> yeah, or maybe they want to be on tv, offer whr whatever it. >> back to the list, and reading it, it is so powerful about hearing the small details about people's lives. just, that's a really important moment, because you captured them somehow. knowing somebody who was vibed at witty and charming. >> i wish we knew more. that's one of the sad things. it take obviously a family
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members grieving, and so we only know what people tell us. and so, but i what i think we've all found in these situations is people want their stories told. they want their loved ones known and remembered. >> and not remembered for being the victim. >> of course. >> of people who take their lives. >> and look, i was talking to a friend of my, andy cohen, last night. something he said struck to me. he said we knew all these boys, all these men and women who were killed. we don't know them personally, if you are a gay man or woman in america, i mean that could have been any one of us. we'll all been to clubs like this, and club losic that hold a special place for the gay community. it is a place where you're safe, you can embrace somebody of the same sex without the fear of making fun of you, tacking, you can dance with someone with the same sex. you don't see that. i think that the fact that his father said that one of the things that upset him was seeing two gay guys kiss on the street. you know what, think about how
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rare it is to see that in america. i think there is a lot of gay people who feel like that's going to change. and that has to change. and you know, people need to -- if the qualiequality truly exis then we should be able to hold hands and kiss on the streets like anyone else. >> anderson, thank you for sharing your thoughts. someone who knows about pushing through tragedy, former new york city, rudy giuliani, here on the way forward in orlando. [ guitar playing ]
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see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. why did it happen? why were these people targeted. are we safe. all the big questions swirling around what happened here in orlando. to call it the deadliest shooting in american history is just the headline. there is so much more. let's check in with america's mayor. that's how rudy jugiuliani was known. we need to come together. thank you for joining us, once again. >> thank you. >> what does it mean to you, you heard our discussion with anderson. >> i did. >> that we just had in the context of the senate majority leader putting out a one page statement yesterday, about this event. never says the word gay.
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to you as a new yorker, and understand the complexity, what is your message that gay people were targeted? >> it needs to be said. i signed the first or second partnership bill in the history of this country. i'm -- i guess i'm one of the few americans in favor of -- one of the few american republicans in favor of gay marriage. i'm about to conduct one in a week. the reality is, that's part of the story. but it's also part of the story this was an islamic extremist inspired murder. it would be like saying there was a mafia murder, and then another murder two blocks away. we wouldn't say the word mafia murder, because italian americans would get upset. the reality is that this is the kind of attack in san
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bernardino, this is similar to the taattack in paris. it is inspired by a specific strategy of isis to do killings during ramadan. you would have to be a fool not to see that. the idea that the man didn't know his religion is incorrect. he attended the mosque apparently three-days a week. he was an informed muslim. he was not an uninformed secular muslim. >> you're making a lot of points. let's unpack them. i want to be clear to the audience. we're not doing tit for tat, using gay and not run ago way, identity politics is wrong and you agree with that. >> i do. >> i want to make another point, because it is a separate point. this guy is an open question in terms of what he knew about terror. >> right. >> he talked about competing groups b you you used an angie. let me reverse it on you.
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if every time the mafia made a killing or a murder, they said, well, those italians, you know, there is something about them in the mob, something about the giuliani, the cuomo, you would have been disgusted, it motivated you as a prosecutors to distinguish the mafia from the rest of the italians. that's the point, you talk about these perversions. >> no, i said radical islamic muslims. i know many muslims who are very, very good muslims, as i knew many italians. when i used the word mafia, he didn't mean all it tallians. i mean people like this man who are radicalized. by the way, there is a connection -- >> if you said radical italian murders -- >> well, they call themselves the islamic state, chris. what am i going to call them? >> they do, because they want the credit of owning the religion.
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they want that. why would you give them what they want. >> i don't know why we're arguing over this. we've had four attacks in the last year. that's outrageous. we've had four attacks. they're increasing. the fact is that the weaker you are, the harder they hit you. there is a connection between radical muslim and attacking gays and lesbians. ready cal muslims -- >> no question. >> believe that the death penalty is the correct punishment for gays and lesbians. and when anderson before, who i thought had some beautiful remarks, talked about people, you know, having -- people argue over gay marriage in the united states and things like that, well, look, we argue about gay marriage in the united states. there is nobody in the united states who argues for death for homosexuals in the united states. so this is a very, very different culture. >> that's true. >> we're at a different level of civilization. somebody should point out the superiority of our civilization
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to the bar barrians we're facing. >> absolutely. that why we have these discussions. you you know me well enough, mr. mayor, i have no argument with you. it is that i think that -- i think there are politics being played with this, with donald trump coming out and seeming to suggest that president obama has some sympathy, some compromise personally that doesn't keep him from being tough, with all the troops, it doesn't seem like the right kind of rhetoric. i don't think you would suggest anything like that about a commander in chief. >> i'm not sure i would or wouldn't. i am very disturbed by the president's failure to use the word islamic terrorism. i've been disturbed about it for years. i've said it on your show. i don't understand how fort hood was workplace violence. i believe that the suspicious acts of terrorism weren't turned in in the days before the tack,
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and i was in san bernardino when it happened, so i'm not saying this from the back of my head, the words that the president uses are important. he is creating a feeling, particularly among maybe more liberal members of society, you can't say islamic terrorism. so now, i'm a person, i see -- >> that's not his rationale, as you know. you know that's not his rationale. you know it is not secretary clinton's either. >> well, they both. >> she said i'll call it extreme islamism, but why should i give them what they want, and why would i want to ail alienate the rest of the faith. >> she only said it under pressure because of donald trump. she hasn't said it in five years. it is their policies that brought us to where we are today. we are in a much more dangerous situation than we were before obama and hillary clinton took over. and i have a strong belief after 35 years of dealing with islamic terrorism, of an extremist
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nature, that the more you are on defense, the more they're on defense. the more you're on offense, the less they come after you. >> mr. mayor, i understand the point, and i thank you for taking it on "new day." always a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you, sir. we have a lot of breaking coverage going on in orlando, those that were lost and the man who took them from the word. you have the ne"newsroom" with carol costello and erin burnett, next. planters. nutrition starts with nut. dogs - sure can be messy. but with nexgard, their flea and tick killer doesn't have to be. nexgard, the vet's #1 choice for dogs, is a delicious, beef-flavored chew that kills both fleas and ticks. so it's easy to give, easy to take. reported side effects include vomiting, itching, diarrhea, lethargy and lack of appetite.
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divided no more. thousands gathering here in orlando to pay tribute to the victims. >> it was the scariest day of my life. >> pure evil. that's what it sounded like. it doesn't sound leak a person. >> we're working hard to understand the killer and his motives and his sources of inspiration. >> was he gay? was he leading a secret gay life? >> do you think he was gay?


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