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>> a quick reminder, stay tuned wednesday night for a special cnn town hall. this time a bit of an alternative to libertarian gary johnson and his opponent gary wells. the superb, "why they hate us. " . >> hatred so deep, it drives men turn planes into bombs. >> a plane crashed -- >> there is terror on our soil. >> hatred so profound it drove omar mateen to slaughter dozens of americans on a dance floor in orlando. >> i can't tell where my son is.
>> it is impossible to understand, impossible to get into the mind of a terrorist. >> again, this station is facing terror and tragedy. >> why do so many millions of muslims hate the usa? >> a better picture of the man accused of murdering 13 people. >> why do they hate us? >> what did we do to the islamic world. >> americans are asking why, do they hate us? >> emphasis on that last word, us, why do islamic terrorists hate americans? 15 years after 9-11, we are no longer surprised when they tell us they want to kill us. so what are you waiting for? you can go down to a fun show at
the local convention center and come away with a fully all assault rifle. >> but who are "they"? how many? and are they multiplying in a new deadly form? >> beginning, tomorrow, in walk. it will be new york. it is coming. >> inside schools. >> young children are being taught how to kill '01. if the goal of isis propaganda is to terrify america, it has worked. >> let's look at the mood in the country. because terrorism is front and center. >> that fear has may have beened the way for a new voice in this country. >> are you ready for the
next president of the united states?
>> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. it's going to get worse and worse. will you have more world trade centers. it will get worse and worse, folks. >> trump's message has let some americans say, who cares why they hate us? we hate them. >> who's bombing buildings? who's bombing airplanes. it's not the christians. it's not the jewish. it's not the buddhists. it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> we have training camps where they want to kim us. >> they're coming to get us. they're not going to be happy until they take over this country. we have to be under shariah law. i'm not going to bow down to
the them. >> americans are understandably afraid, with fear
turning to hate, we need answers. it's literally a matter of life and death. when you ask a scholar denied into the subject, he makes an important distinction. why do they hate us? if you take "they" as being muslims, they don't hate us. if you talk about "they" as being a narrow, small group of extreme radicals, that's an entirely different question. >> we draw upon muslims around the world, to burn the constitution, to burn the american flag. >> reporter: he comes from that very small group of extreme radicals. choudhary has been charged with supporting isis. >> you are hypocrites. you don't have principles. >> that is your problem as americans. >> he is awaiting try ill in london. >> i personally hate the american regime. >> choudhary faces prison for
his support of isis, but she unrelenting in that support. >>-never mind the kidnappings. the beheading was. the sex slave, to choudhary the islamic state is paradise. >> there is peace. there is no corruption. there is no bribery. there is no alcohol, gambling. all of the vices which you are all used to in america and other parts of the world don't exist over there. this idea that they're rapeing people. why don't you listen to what the muslims say on the other side, they will deny these things. >> because, mr. crowdry, they kill journalists, that's why. >> they are not rapeing people in islam. >> they kill journalists, mr. crowdry. >> these could be my last hours. >> in fact, isis killed 22 supporters, among them americans james foley and steven sokolov. >> let me not get into the islamic state the peace and brotherhood, how do you explain,
mr. choudhary, people are fleeing the islamic state? >> despite documented evidence of tens of thousands of people desperately fleeing isis, choudhary claims there were actually more arriving. >> the people are come nook the islamic state. by the way, we have christians coming baaing to mosul, zitis embracing islam. you don't show those. because it doesn't fit your agenda. >> then the flood gates opened. with the reasons why, choudhary says he hates us. >> freedom of expression, freedom of religion. these things sound very nice. where was the freedom of expression for people in guantonomo bay? what about the people in abu greater bay? i bet you loved that, did you hold that up as liberty and democracy the american way the american life? you know, george bush flushed us down the toilet. he said, we can flush them away because we're talking about
terrorism. >> but the united states intervened to protect muslims. it intervened in afghanistan and supported a government elected twice by the afghan people. >> i think you spent too much time in the cnn world. in the real world the people in afghanistan hate the americans. >> the real world is determined by polls, not by what you say. the polls overwhelmingly show it as do two elections. >> you are living in hollywood, in some kind of make-believe world. >> i come back to the very simple proposition, if the groups that you seem to support from al qaeda to isis, were as popular as you claim, why don't they hold elections? why don't they go around murdering, slaughtering, rapeing, forcing people into submission. >> for a moment now, i thought you were talking about guantonomo bay, when you were talking about rape and obviously you are not talking about. that. >> chadry remind me of marxist ideologues i met in my youth,
who can explain anything in their belief system. the anger at america is deep. what is striking is america remains the obsession of chadry and of so many whosome dom, if ever, have been here. so what happens when a jihadi is one of us? an american? are the reasons he hates us the same? >> to the muslims in marc,ameri have this to say, how can you have the plan against muslims? >> no one has scared american officials more. >> the head of al qaeda in yemen. >> they planned attacks on the united states. >> he is the driving force behind virtually all of the worst terrorist attacks in america since -11.
>> we are facing you as men, who love that just like you love life. >> he is an american, born in new mexico. educated at colorado state university. how influential is he? dzhokhar tsarnaev, the boston marathon bomber wrote about his teachings as he lay bleeding in a back yard boat waiting to be captured. >> reports of multiple victims. >> one of the san bernardino killers the husband, say ed farouk watching sermons for years. >> we know the deadliest shooting. >> then psychiatrist, nadal hasan, who murdered 13 americans at fort hood in texas. he e-mailed about his plans. the under wear bomber. tried to blow a plaep out of the
sky over detroit under orders from al laki. finally, orlando killer, omar mateen. the fbi says he appears to be swayed after watching his sermoned on the internet. but here is the strangest twist in this american horror story. after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, al arki was invited to lead prayers at the u.s. capital. he was considered such a perfect role model, a moderate imam in falls church, virginia, that the washington post did a story about him. >> there's always this association between islam and terrorism. when that is not true at all. islam is a religion of peace. >> but gradually, it is possible to see the beginnings of his disenchantment.
>> it seals to be out of nowhere. there are reasons. the fact that the u.s. has had ministered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in iraq -- >> no one seems certain when he became a full flenled jihadi. one thing is clear, he was a scholar of ilam. yet he never speaks about his religion when he speaks about why he hates us. >> everybody come outside, push this way. over here. >> his reasons, like chadry's, are about american foreign policy. the so-called war against islam that jihadis always speak of. the fbi began to monitor al larki. he fled to yemen and eventually became a top leader of al qaeda. >> would you say that alakhi is
at least a severe threat as bin ladin? >> probably the most significant risk to the u.s. homeland. >> there is one important fact about anwar al alake that i have not mentioned. he is dead. >> it was an american drone strike in 2011 but here is the most frightening fact, he is still killing americans. some of the bloodiest terror he inspired happened after his death. the san bernardino killings. the boston marathon bombings. and the worse mass shooting, the orlando nightclub murders. awlaki is on the internet now. thousands of his videos are a click away. >> you remember the good old days when americans were enjoys peace. >> the man is dead.
the the message is not. the united states has for better or worse waged war in many lands, why are there no viet namese or cambodian terrorists? and why do they kill mostly other muslims? the explanation for the violence in the world of islam must lie somewhere else, somewhere deeper. some sigh it comes colledirectlm the karan. s muslim holly book being distorted? >> the karan promises a moderate, 72 virgins. is that true? what exactly does the karan promise mprom martyr is martyrs? when we come back. ont of your o.
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>> is islam an inherently violent religion? ask an honest muslim reformer. you will get essentially the same answer. there is a connection between the religion and the violence. >> it's time to stop saying that this isn't about islam. isis is, is uber islamic. uber islamic. it's time it's said. >> the next time a bombing or behead og curse, god knows it will, the first thing will you
hear from the mouth of a so-called moderate muslim is, no, no, no, please don't understand, islam has nothing to do with this. that's simply not true. because most of the people doing these bombings and beheadings say they are doing it in the name of allow. they actually cite versus from the quran. >> we are men honored with islam, who climb it's peaks to perform jihad. >> the cfl question, a shouting match on bill hahr's program. >> we have to criticize bad whied. >> of course, we do. >> islam is the mother load of bad ideas. more than a billion people who are fanatic cal. >> who want to go to the store. >> wait a second. wait a second. wait a second. >> this is nonsense. >> you are painting a broad brush with a whole religion. >> let's get down to who has the right answer here. a billion people you say. all these billion people don't
hold any -- don't hol these pernicous believes? >>, they don't. >> let's just look at the text. the quran does contain verses that encourage intolerance and violence. it recommends a fiery death for gay people in a shower of brimstone. but look at the bible on the same subject in leviticus. if a man has sex with another man, kill them both. both holy books also have passages recommending murder for non-believers. this verse in the quran is the one that isis has taken literally. i will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. therefore, strike off their heads our knife will continue to strike the necks of your people. >> but the same belief that guides isis also appears in the bible, in deuteronomy, believers
are instructed to stone non-believers until they die. two holy books with violent passages, with one obvious difference. jihadis are acting on what they read in the quran. >> islam is being michiganed. it is being used. >> it points to one colorful example of manipulation, in a famous quranic story. >> the quran promises a martyr in the name of islam, 72 virgins. is that rue? >> it is not true. >> she says several scholars studying the original text came to a startling realization. >> nowhere in the quran does it promise 72 virgins, 70 virgins, 48 jury i virgins. what it promises as far as heaven goes is something lush t. arabic word for virgin has been
ms. translated. the original word uset in the quran was the word for raisin. not virgin. in other words, that martyrs would get raisins in heaven, not virgins. >> 72 raisins. imagine the surprise of the terrorists who expected something completely different. ♪ the story illustrates radical versus twisted islamic ideas. but it also reflects a growing new reality. the violent jihadis who carry out isis terrorist attacks often eno little about islam. >> in many cases, they're petty criminals. in many cases they're unemployed. in many cases they're drug users. who never had anything to do with religion. have no religious training whatsoever. >> you probably know it's not better than me even, maybe you
have studied. >> they're completely ignorant, in other words, of religion. they latch on as a way to act out their alienation. >> the brothers fit the profile. these are the isis killers, partying at a high end nightclub in brussels. salla was the mastermind of the paris attacked. ibrahim blew himself up in paris. it is easy, as say some to brainwash recruits who are not religious. former radical told the "new yorker" that for purposes of recruitment, having no backgrounds in islam is actually an advantage. he is trying to stop the recruitment process by exposing young people to all of islam's ideas. >> i am pointing out that the state, itself, has the wrong material. has the elements for a change. >> there is another famous
quranic story. a father's two sons convert to christianity and leave home. the father asks the prophet muhammad to bring them back. but muhammad declines saying will is no compulsion in religion. >> the book, itself, can't speak. it is we muslims who speak on its behalf. there is a beautiful pass annual in the quran, one of many beautiful passages that states god does not change a condition of a people until they change what is inside themselves. >> to those who say, while you are cherry-picking, what do you say? >> i say, yes, that's correct. and so are you. by not acknowledging the freedom loving verses of the quran. >> as you can see, islam can be used in many ways t. question remains, why is a violent interpretation of the religion
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bernardino attacks. >> how and where was the 29-year-old mother of a newborn radicalized? >> we all looked at her and asked, how, how does a young mother drop her baby off at grandma's after nursing that baby and proceed to massacre 14 people and give up her own life in a twisted act of martyrdom. there is a way to understand it. you can draw a straight line from tashfeen malik to the roots of radical islam. let me explain, by going back to the beginning of the story. as odd as it may sound, today's radical islamic movement started with a popular american song. 1949. the place was greeley, colorado. [ music playing ] ♪ baby it's cold outside >> "baby it's cold outside" was
playing on and old gramophone at a church dance. an egyptian student attending a local college happened to stop in. he was a deeply conservative muslim. and he was horrified by what he saw at that dance. he wrote later of what he called the animal-like mixing of the sexes. the halls swarmed with legs, lips met lips. chests met chests. the worst sight of all, he said the outline of women's breasts in tight sweaters. his essay about his time here, the marc i have seen, became a sensation in parts of the arab world. he hated everything about american culture, hollywood movies, big cars, fast food. >> his views on america are terrifying. they are terrifying because they're narrow, racist. he resented the way women and
men act in society. he recepted the american materialism. >> by the 1950s, he was a fierce critic of arab governments that were trying to westernize their economy, societies and political systems. he wrote 24 box, urging the return to shariah law and terrorism against the leading modern nation in the world, the united states. he was executed in 1966 for plotting to overthrow the government of egyptian president. he had become a rockstar among budding radicals, even as arab regimes were jailing and torturing his followers. >> we are muslims, who believe in their religion. >> thus, in the jails of egypt and other arab tyrannys was born al qaeda.
he was read and revered by osama bin laden and al awlaki and the head of al qaeda. then in 1979, radical islam explodes. in iran, there was revolution. enraged by the repressive rule of the american backed shaw, popular protests drove him out. angry mobs seized the american embassy for 444 days. the united states watched helplessly as americans were held hostage. >> but there are indications large numbers of shiite --
>> november, 1979, cataclysm in saudi arabia. the takeover of the grand mosque in mecca, islam's holiest site. it was stormed by heavily armed insurgents, demanding the overthrow of the american-backed saudi king. these events were like rocket fuel for islamic radicals. they have taken control of iran and in saudi arabia, the monarchy makes a fateful decision. it decides to appease the ultraconservative wahabi clergy who preach of puritan cal and into him rant interpretation of islam, giving them free reign to run schools and mosques and oil money to spread their poisonous world view to other muslim countries. >> it's ha ready to imagine a muslim community anywhere on
this planet that hasn't been touched by this ideology. >> remember, saudi arabia is one of america's strongest allies. >> if you are talking about a country that presents itself as the leader of the world muslims. the muslim world. >> the new saudi regime is finally trying to contain the spread of radical islam. but look at this interview as one of the most powerful men in stalled di islam. the former imam of the grand mosque. >> we have the same beliefs as isis, he says, we share their ideology. but we express it in a more refined way. >> and that ideology is still being preached in saudi arabia from the mosque. >> remember, 15 of the nine
hijackers on 9/11 came from saudi arabia. so did osama bin laden. and one more person who is from saudi arabia, tashfeen malik. the wife in the san bernardo killings. >> malik came from pakistan. she later mooed to saudi arabia -- >> so, malik lived in both saudi arabia and pakistan. and two what country has saudi arabia most lavishly and successfully exported its ideology? pa pakistan. its saudi funded mosque, preach a message and ideology rology, tashfeen malik, the san bernardino killer is a product of radical islam globalized by saudi money and one more visitor to saudi arabia the orlando shooter, omar mateen. he went there twice.
up next, a crucial question. when we ask why they hate us? how many are there in the first place? >> 300 million people who are ready to vap bombs on their bodies. >> at most, 100,000 people. >> getting the facts right. when we return. defiance is in our bones. our citracal bones. easily absorbed calcium plus vitamin d. defy bone aging with citracal maximum.
cable news channels, you would have good reason to be afraid. >> we need to kill them. >> very afraid. >> how many numbers are you talking about? how many muslims are we talking about? >> 300 million people who are ready to strap bombs on their bodies and blow them up to smithereens. >> 300 muslims, ready to strap bombs on their bodies. can that really be true? donald trump offers even higher percentages. >> it's 27%, could be 35% would go to war. the hatred is tremendous, chris. >> fox news anchor chris wallace had just toll the gop front runner the facts. >> according to best efforts, think tanks all around the world, they say, at most, 100,000 people are fighting for jihadist causes. >> wallace is right. trump is wrong. scholars and experts agree, the
number of jihadis world wide is somewhere between 1 and 200,000. now hundreds of millions. how do they come up with those results? simple math. they added up the estimated memberships of all islamic terror networks world wide. that works out to around 1-100th of 1% of muslims around the world. but despite the consensus, the myth persist zbs they're saying 253ple muslims will go to war against this stuff? >> why don't you take look at the pugh poll that came out recently. >> we did take a look. we couldn't find any poll by pugh that bor trump's claims. in fact the puig research center sent us a statement, saying it has not issued a statement saying 27% of muslims will go to war with the united states nor asked a question of muslims
about going to war. but there are some few polls with findings that are troubling. let's take a look at just a few. in egypt, 81% of muslims that want shariah as the law of the land, told puig they also favor stoning as a punishment for adultery and 86% favor the death penalty for those who leave islam. religious scholar. >> i mean, we may be apauled by certain regressive beliefs be you they are just beliefs. the issue is people's actions. >> but can some bad thoughts lead to bad actions? bill maur makes an interesting point. >> if vast muslims across the world believe and they do, that humans deserve to die, for merely holding a different idea or drawing a cartoon or writing a book or elopeing with the
wrong person, not only does the muslim world have something in common with isis, it has too much in common with isis. >> aslun responds with an inalg from america. >> the christians we west borough baptist church believes god hates homosexuals, so as a result of that belief, they picket the burial ceremonies of american soldiers who died overseas. now, christians in the united states also believe that homosexually is a sin. so they share that belief with the westboro baptist church. but they would never share in those actions. by bill maher's logic, those two groups are essentially the same. because they share one fundamental belief. >> sam harris, a critic of islam, counters with his own american analogy. >> to have a play on broadway
like the book of mormon, it is currently unthinkable to produce such a play on a topic of islam ♪ my name is jesus kieft. >> the hit musical roundly bastes the religion. >> what do more mons do in response to this play? they took out ads for mormonism in the program. it's an adorable response. there is no one who produced that play who lost any sleep whether they might be killed or hunted for the rest of their lives by crazy mormons. >> that is what we have to get to on the topic of islam. >> on this, i certainly agree with harris. and yet, there is another ideology that seems far more successful in seduceing islams. american democracy. when we come back, the story of american islam, warts and all.
>> michigan is a story as old as america. a century ago, polishiment grants settled here. it became known as little warsaw. preserving the traditions of the old country in a new country. fast forward to the late 20th century and the american dream repeats itself. this time, the immigrants are muslims, from yemen, from bangladesh, from bosnia. and now, what was once known as little warsaw is the first city in america run by muslim americans. it has a majority muslim city council. >> last night's election had
historic significance for that community and the country. >> one more story as old as america, the inevitable culture clash. >> i don't like the changes that are going on. so i'm leaving. >> church bells collide, with the call to prayer restaurants caret to separate groups, different cultures now living side-by-side. there have been rough spots, but they have gradually begun to make its new reality and government work. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag. >> we have a great possibility in the world. >> it's an assault problem. >> but then the calls started coming in from the rest of many. >> we're trying to blow up the muslimles. they try to break shariah law. people are going crazy.
>> it's sometime to say, no shariah in america. >> reporter: many communities across the country fear that arab immigration could translate into shariah law. >> i didn't say to hate 'em. i'm saying with edon't need 'em here. >> islam will never dom flooit nate the united states, by the grace of god, it will not dominate us. >> shariah law has never been established in any city in america and no one wants it less thaj the muslim americans in hamtramic. >> we don't believe. that we came here in this country to the run away from shariah law. you think i would put it in this country to follow me here? i don't think so. >> community activist says his family fled yemen in search of the same things all americans want. >> we came here for a better life, for security, for a better future. that's all we came here for. they will always carry the
american flag everywhere we it's a country where advancement and entry into the middle power and in some cases access to wealth and power is open to all different backgrounds. he cake to america penniless. he owns an nfl team, the jacksonville jaguars. look at hotel host dr. oz, a first generation turkish american. the list goes on. but middle eastern study scholar rashied khalidi says it's a list you won't find in many other countries. >> how many people in french politics and on french television, in elite roles are
the children of the children of the grandchildren. the united states, we have people who are barons of history, there are faces that look different than yourself. >> and of all the fears we have, of sharia law, they are partly rooted in this fact. >> 1% of the population of america is muslim. most americans don't know any muslims and so it becomes very easy when confronted with extreme acts of violence in the name of islam. it becomes very easy to conplate that with mainstream, every day islam. we would never make that mistake when we are confronted with extreme acts of violence or radical interpretations of christianity because we live in a country that's 70% christian. we are tribal ultimately. we are much more likely to
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how many times do you think to yourself, it's muslims again? you will probably be right. by 2013, 30,000 people were killed wrorldwide. the vast majority of the perpetrators were muslims. but you must also understand that so were the vast majority of the dead. islamic terrorists don't just hate america or the west, they hate the modern world. and they particularly hate muslims who are trying to live in the modern world. let's be clear. while the jihadies are few,
there is a larger cancer in the world of islam, a cancer of backwardness and extremism and intolerance. most of the countries that have laws that restrict the free exercise of religion are muslim majority. all that have laws against leaving the faith are muslim majorities. but are these things inherent in the religion? when experts try to explain that in the 14th century islamic civil case of the world's most advanced or that the koran was once known as a liberal, progressive document, they're not trying to deny the islam of today. what they're saying is that it can change. islam has been around for 14 centuries. it's been there in war and in piece. what's different? it's not theology, it's the
politics. radical islam is the product of the broke politics and static economics of muslim countries. they have found in radical religion an ideology that let's them rail against the modern world, that is now being exported to people everywhere, in europe and in some rare cases in the united states. so how to end this? there's really only one way. help the majority of muslims fight extremists, and modernize their societies. we should listen to those on the front line, many of those who are dying. the hundreds of reforms are i've spoken to say their task is made much harder when western pundits speak of all muslims as backward and suspect. here's another way to think of
this. in america african-americans make up about 13% of the population, yet they comprise about 50% of homicide offenders, according to a justice department study. now, we understand, i hope we understand, that when we see a black man on the street, we cannot, must not treat him as a likely criminal. it would be dehumanizing, unfair and racist. in america of all places, people should be treated as individuals and not as stereotypes from a racial, ethnic or religious group. remember, the bangladeshi cab driver who drives you to the airport has nothing, nothing to do with isis, even though he is also a muslim. it's hard not to make these quick associations, especially in the wake of a terror attack, but if america is about anything, it is the idea that people should be judged as individuals with individual liberties and rights. it is what they hate about us.
we might as well live up to our own ideals. i'm fareed zakaria. thank you for watching. chilling new information about the orlando shooter and breaking news from capitol hill on guns. plus a trump campaign bombshell. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. in 911 calls during the rampage while he was killing 49 people, he claimed to be an islamic soldier and warned of more attacks to come. >> the killer of 49 and shooter of 53 others identified himself as an islamic soldier who pledged allegiance to an islamic organization bent on killing. >> 55% of americans say