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little later this morning, and we expect it to be an attack on donald trump. donald trump for his part is expected to lay out a speech tomorrow, and he will shoot back at hillary clinton. we'll keep you posted on that too. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hillary clinton is going to raise your taxes big league. >> he is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be commander in chief. >> i understand money better than anybody. i'm way up on the economy. >> he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. >> crooked hillary takes tens of millions of dollars from countries that kill gays and that enslave women.
>> everybody, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm john berman. just into cnn, donald trump putting his money or some of it where his mouth is. his mouth will be talking about the clintons in a major speech tomorrow, exactly 24 hours from now. as for his money, he just announced he will personally match every dollar that comes through his campaign within the next 48 hours up to $2 million. this as he trails the clinton fund-raising machine by a whopping $40 million. >> this also as clinton is about to offer up the next installment of her trump attack tour, this him on the economy and his business record. her speech will try to paint trump as a self-interested tycoon. this is a live look right now of the room where she's going to be speaking. a top clinton adviser has already been previewing the peach to say if trump is at the wheel, he will drive the economy off the cliff, and then there's this, a brand new cnn/orc poll
shows clinton leading trump 47% to 42%, but there is so much more behind those numbers. let's start first though with trump's shortfall. cnn's jeremy diamond is live outside the marriott marquee in new york city where trump is meeting with evangelical leaders at this hour. but, jeremy, he's heading into this meeting as he sends out a very big fund-raising appeal as john just said and as he posts these dismal fund-raising numbers for the last month. >> reporter: that's right, john and kate. you know, donald trump is sending out this fund-raising e-mail this morning which seems like a little bit of a cry for help from his supporters. he's saying if you can pitch in, if you can help us right now, just as we're experiencing a little bit of a fund-raising shortfall, particularly after the numbers that his campaign posted from the month of may, he's saying, listen, if you chip in, i will chip in as well contributing up to $2 million matching the donations he receives in the next 48 hours. but just so you know, the stark differences between the trump campaign and the clinton campaign as far as fund-raising, i think we have some numbers we
can throw up on the screen. the clinton campaign has $42 million in cash on hand, and that just completely dwarfs the numbers that trump has. he has just $1.3 million in cash on hand. that's after in the month of may he raised $3.1 million. this is donald trump ramping up his fund-raising operation. before may he had practically no fund-raising operation to speak of so the month of june may look rosier to the trump campaign. the clinton campaign has a much more traditional infrastructure. donald trump has just 69 staffers on payroll. the clinton campaign has 685. that's something donald trump has actually sought to use to his advantage. he's saying, listen, i'm running a lean and mean operation and this is what i need to win. why spend millions and millions of dollars that i don't need to spend when i succeeded, i succeeded in the primaries with just a small staff and, of
course, donald trump at the center of it all. >> it was 70 yesterday before corey lewandowski, the campaign manager, was fired. so it's 69 and dropping at least recently. jeremy diamond, thanks so much. it is numbers day here at "at this hour." the fund-raising numbers. now the poll numbers. want to bring in david chalian, the man behind the numbers. >> sounds nefarious. >> we saw clinton leading donald trump by five points. but what jumps out to you? >> we've been talking a lot about this dichotomy, what is being said up here is temperament versus trustworthiness. let's start with honest and trustworthiness, and it is a big trump advantage. i mean, who is more honest and trustworthy? he's winning that by eight points, 45% to clinton's 37%. if you look at temperament, this is even a bigger hillary clinton advantage than that was a trump advantage. 56% says that she has the temperament to serve as
president compared to 32% who say that about donald trump. >> so they're branding -- the way they're trying to brand each other seems to be working. >> seems to be working. they are certainly in the way they're building negative frames on each other they are playing to -- >> crooked hillary versus demp temperamentally unfit. >> what about the battleground states? >> quinnipiac looked at florida, ohio, and pennsylvania. if you look at ohio and pennsylvania, they are very close, guys. there you see in ohio couldn't be closer, tied 40%, 40%. pennsylvania you see a one-point difference. 42%, clinton. trump, 41%. obviously all within the margin of error. however, clinton is up eight points in the florida poll which is a big deal for hillary clinton because as you guys know, putting together a map that gets donald trump to 270 electoral votes without florida is extraordinary difficult. he really needs that to be part of the puzzle that he puts together to get to 270. without it, it's tough. but with those two tied polls in
ohio and pennsylvania shows us what we've known. this is going to be a battle between these two candidates for white, working class voters in the upper midwest. not that hillary clinton is expected to win white, working-class voters. but it will be a battle on her part to keep the margins narrow. >> florida, by the way, pennsylvania plus ohio doesn't give him the game if he loses florida. he needs more than that. >> florida is critical for his path. it's helpful obviously to her path as well but not as critical. she has more option approximates. >> let's talk about the issues a little bit. commander in chief, immigration, clinton has a little bit of an edge there in some cases but he's on top on economy and terrorism and she's giving an economy speech today. >> which are big issues on voters' minds. those are not small issues for donald trump to be winning on. that's very good news for him. he's plus eight points on the economy. he's plus three points on terrorism. listen, so she has her work cut out for her in what she wants to build on the economic message today taking him down, but,
guys, you're right to point out, john, 12-point advantage for hillary clinton on who would be a better commander in chief. 13-point advantage on judgment to handle a crisis. those are big, big margins for her there. so, yes, she's got a 5-point lead. a lot of these numbers underneath are good for her. he can point to that economy number which, as you know, is issue number one for voters as a place to really start building and becoming more and more competitive with secretary clinton. >> and the economy in battleground states like ohio, those are very important. wow. let's go to columbus, ohio. thanks, david. let's go to columbus, ohio, where hillary clinton will be speaking about the economy today. that's where senior political correspondent brianna keilar is. she's there inside the room. so this, the campaign, brianna, has been building this as a major hit on trump's business record. what are you hearing? >> reporter: that's right. so we heard hillary clinton talk about donald trump and where he stands on foreign policy a few weeks ago. this is something in the vein of that.
remember, she hit him hard in san diego so we're expecting that that may be a big part of this major economic speech. but there's a reason, kate, why she is attacking donald trump on this, and it has to do with what you're seeing in the poll numbers. hillary clinton is trailing donald trump in the latest cnn/orc poll by eight points when voters are asked who would do a better job when it comes to handling the economy? so she's trying to cut into this idea that he has business acumen, that he can create jobs, and she's doing that in part with a speech today, but her campaign also launched a new website called art of the steal.biz. clearly a negative take on donald trump's best-selling book and they put out an online ad. here is part of it. >> have you ever heard of trump steaks? >> you know what? take a look at trump steaks. >> whatever happened to trump airlines? >> trump travel, trump ice. >> trump magazine which folded. trump world magazine which also
folded. >> and trump mortgage. >> it's a great time to start a mortgage company. >> reporter: now, the campaign is saying that hillary clinton is going to make the point that a donald trump presidency would drive the american economy off the cliff into another recession, that it would hit middle class americans by taking away their jobs, by taking away their livelihoods. no coincidence when you see some of these new poll numbers, especially this quinnipiac university poll coming out, pennsylvania, florida, ohio, these key swing states like this one, voters are saying that they think donald trump would be better at creating jobs. so hillary clinton is trying to turn that narrative around. >> in columbus, ohio, to address that very issue today. brianna keilar, thank you so much. joining us now to discuss mark preston, cnn politics editor, patti solis doyle, a former clinton campaign manager, barry
bennett, and ryan williams. what a group we have here today, and what a lot going on today. barry bennett -- >> keep the answers short. >> we saw brianna keeler in columbus where hillary clinton is giving a big speech, but we learned a few minutes ago donald trump is giving a big speech 24 hours from now during this broadcast tomorrow where he promises, he says, i will be making a big speech tomorrow to discuss the failed policies and bad judgment of crooked hillary clinton. what is donald trump going to say tomorrow? >> there's a plethora of things he could say. i don't know which ones he will. when it comes to the economy, obviously the polling shows this. but she doesn't have much to say positively. no one can find a job. no one has had a real raise in eight years. >> unemployment is half of what it was. >> that's because the labor participation rate is in the cell cellar. that's why that number is low. if you go to youngstown, ohio,
tell them how great the economy is and they'll laugh her out of town. >> another thing he's facing is the diz madismal fund-raising numbers for may. >> there was no fund-raising going on in may. >> hillary clinton was fund raising in may. >> this is before california. he was funding it himself. fund-raising operation didn't start until june. >> on fund-raising, he talked about it on -- to "fox & friends" this morning and he said something quite interesting about fund-raising and going forward. more like maybe i'll go my own road. listen to this. >> i can go a different route. i can just spend my own money. i have a lot of cash, and i can do like i did with the other, just spend money on myself and go happily along and i think i win that way. there are many people that think i do better that way. >> if he does better that way, then why not go the self fund-raising rate?
why not? >> maybe that's what he'll do. >> if i had $10 billion, i would give myself money for my campaign. gee has. he's given over $50 million so far. >> 1.3 million in the bank. that's pretty low. ryan, you know how low that is. for mitt romney four years ago he raised $23.4 million in may 2012. he had $17 million on hand at this point. looking at what donald trump has, $1.3 million in the bank, what do you make of that? what does it mean for donald trump right now? >> it's very troubling. this is a $1 billion race. the fact that trump didn't fund raise during the primary is troubling because he didn't build the infrastructure in place he needs now to raise money. he didn't solicit small dollar donations, build a list he can then tap in the general election. he's really at zero right now, and that puts him at a huge disadvantage. he's down $1.3 million i think to $42 million. that's a huge, unprecedented difference between our nominees and he really needs to get going now if he's going to be competitive in the fund-raising raise. >> trump says he runs a lean and
mean operation. that's something he's prided himself on. he says he doesn't need a huge staff because he runs such a lean and mean operation but why do campaigns need money? why does he need money? what does money do? >> right. so when we talk about money, we talk about it in a way that if the viewers are probably glossing over and saying what's the difference? donald trump is on tv every day. >> they're hanging on your every word, make no mistake. >> it's very simple. stop. okay. no, no. listen, the blue liottom line i have to pay bills, you have to hire people. you have to build an infrastructure. patti knows that, you need to put people in the state, you need to pay for bumper stickers, for signs, for phones. you need to pay for a lot of things and to the point where ryan says a $1 billion campaign, it's going to be a $1 billion campaign. i just don't think it's going to be a $1 billion campaign on the republican side because i don't think -- >> i love patti's response, as a former campaign manager, oh, yeah, i need money. let me ask you though, patti, the last three weeks have been
rough for donald trump, very rough. and donald trump even acknowledges it. he says, look, if it's been so bad for me the last three weeks and i'm only down five points in the cnn poll nationally right now, i'm tied in ohio and pennsylvania, then things aren't that bad. i mean, if this is as bad as it's going to get, i can turn things around. >> things are pretty bad for him. i mean, i think this could possibly be the single worst transition from a winning primary campaign to a general election campaign in modern history. >> why isn't it worse in the polls? >> for hillary? >> for donald trump. >> i think only if hillary clinton were to be asked why are you not winning by more? i think she's winning in that poll nationally. she's winning in florida and frankly all she has to do is win florida to win the presidency, and as you mentioned today she's going to give this economic speech where she is going to contrast between her and donald trump, and she's going to go after donald trump using the same technique she used in san diego on her foreign policy speech. she's going to use his direct
words. she's going to use his direct policies to contrast with him and prove that, you know, he's risky for this country and dangerous for this country. after she gave the foreign policy speech, her numbers skyrocketed in terms of commander in chief. we'll see her numbers skyrocket on the economy after this speech. >> the bottom line is that they're both not very well liked. they have huge negatives. we're heading into a general election where their negatives are so high right now in many ways people who go to the polls are probably going to be voting against the other person as opposed to supporting that person. now, the polling we're looking at is a snapshot in time and there is time for hillary clinton to build support, but there's also time for donald trump to build support. >> what about that, ryan? over the last 24 hours we've seen the trump campaign do a lot. fire the campaign manager for one. number two, he's giving this speech tomorrow on hillary clinton. they've talked about this for a while. they had to postpone it because of the shootings in orlando but it's a big speech for the trump campaign, and he started to at least raise money in a way that's more overt and out there
for people to see and saying he's going to give $2 million of his own money. will it placate some republicans? >> hopefully the move to fire corey lewandowski is a pivot point where the campaign can start consolidating within one leader. there was a lot of in-fighting within the campaign that distracted it from the core mission. hopefully now they can focus on helping trump become a better candidate. there's a lot of work to do. fund-raising work, message work. he hasn't really done anything in the first month and time is ticking. the election is in november. that seems like a ways away, but this is not something where you can just flick a switch and this type of apparatus comes forth. it takes a while to build it. >> listen, if this is a $1 million campaign, and hillary clinton has a $41 million head start, that is nothing. >> you have no concerns? >> money is not going to be the determining factor in this election. that i guarantee you. >> patti, on the subject of campaign managers, this is something you know a little bit about.
>> very well. >> david axelrod put out a tweet yesterday, ax says purge of corey lewandowski reflects what a tough business politics can be. things don't go well, you can't fire candidates so you fire staff. you responded simply by saying -- >> yep. >> you've been there. >> i have been there. >> what's it like to be at that moment in a campaign? >> well, it's never a good thing when you have to fire the campaign manager. obviously things are not going well. but usually, and i'm not speaking directly from experience, usually the not going well comes from the top, and the fact that donald trump who should be having the best sort of six weeks of his campaign is not just stumbling but crashing over whether it's the hispanic judge, racial comments against the hispanic judge and his trump university lawsuit, or his remarks on guns after the orlando shooting, he just can't get beyond himself during this campaign. so firing corey lewandowski may
be a pivot point but really the real problem is donald trump himself. you know, i thought corey lewandowski's interview yesterday with dana bash was really great. he was loyal to the end towards donald trump. i don't think it's going to be enough to sort of reshape that campaign. >> we will see. that's for sure. stand by, guys. we have a lot more to discuss. >> coming up for us, we should say you don't want to miss a big moment at cnn tomorrow night. the libertarians will be here. they have big support in our recent poll. gary johnson could have a very big impact on this race. see gary johnson and his running mate william weld in a live town hall tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. at the same time we're keeping an eye on columbus, ohio, where hillary clinton is about to take the stage for what her campaign is promising will be a scathing attack on donald trump's business record. we will bring that to you live when it happens. first the rnc's chief
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a huge fund-raising gap, some underwhelming poll numbers, a campaign manager who is now the owner of a brand new pink slip. and it's only tuesday. >> and it is also less than four weeks to the gop convention. what's the state of play. sean spicer is a republican national committee's chief strategist. he's joining us now. sean, great to see you. taking a look at the numbers, i know you know them, but to repeat them, trump, he's behind clinton, way behind clinton, and way behind where mitt romney was four years ago in the month of may. rnc when you look at the numbers is also behind where it was in may of 2012. rnc raised $13 million in may twof 2012 it raised $24 million. is this a trump problem or a party problem? >> two things, we raised $155 million so far to date. as you know chairman priebus has been spending that money on staff and data for the last
several years. so when you look at where we are as a party, we're in a very good shape. we have had over 500 deployed over the country for a year. you're hearing the stories right now, hillary is just getting those staffers out. she's been going through a long, protracted primary about bernie sanders. finally starting to be able to focus more on the general. we've been there for over a year. i think when you look at the entirety of where our party is at and where our efforts are at combined with the party and the campaign, it's the republicans that are far ahead. when it comes to the one report you're referencing, it's seven days over a 30-day period it reflects. so i appreciate everyone's concern over the state of our party. we're doing just great and i think as we continue to move forward, the enthusiasm and excisemee excitement surrounding trump's candidacy will be reflected in the financials as well. >> he has $1.3 million in the bank. there are county commissioners
who have that much in the bank as a campaign? is that a gad place to be? >> hold on. let's stop because that's a false narrative. donald trump has financed his campaign by writing checks. he can do that. you're looking at the trump campaign through the prism of the hillary clinton campaign. donald trump financed his campaign all the way to this point by adding in more of his own personal money. so it's false to say that he has $1.3 million. if he wanted to get that number up in two seconds, he just strokes a check and it's up. if you look at the months going forward whether it's the low dollar activity we're seeing in the mail and the phones or the people that really want to meet him at some of the in-person fund-raisers, there's tremendous intensity and as much as i appreciate everyone's concern over our finances, when you look at it in totality year-over-year, we're doing really well. we're well ahead on the ground game, ahead of where the democrats are. so i think we're pretty happy
with where things stand. >> and we talked about that ground game last time you were on. i remember you were talking about training day that you were hosting this very weekend. but just for a point, the hillary clinton and the democrat party if they had posted numbers like this i know you would be all over it but that is just politics. >> you're right. no, no, you're absolutely right. i would, but there's a difference. hillary clinton aside from the fact that she's, you know, beyond -- if the clinton foundation was funding her campaign i'd agree with it because of the way they shake down donors there. >> has trump told you he's going to write those checks? >> he has the option. so the point is -- >> use it. is he going to use it? the key is, sean -- sean, the option doesn't matter if he's not going to use it. is he going to use it? do you want donald trump to self-fund his campaign? >> that's up to him. that's a false narrative. absolutely he has the ability to do it. that's a vastly different scenario than hillary clinton who hasn't put any money of her own noo the campaign. he has the option to do that.
to say the bank account is what it is is not really reflecting the current environment. he has up to this point written the checks himself to finance the campaign. and every time it goes to low, he fills the tank back up. so, again, we've shifted over to a fund-raising mechanism that started for the general election. the report is 7 day noose a s i 30-day period. i can tell you the intensity for donald trump's campaign is reflected both in the low collar a -- dollar and high dollar numbers. >> corey lewandowski is out. all sorts of reports that reince priebus wanted this to happen or was open for this to happen. is that true? >> the chairman did speak to mr. trump. the counsel he gives him is private and that's as far as i'm going to go on that. >> do you think the trump campaign is better off today than it was yesterday? >> i think there's a -- look, i think corey did a great job getting mr. trump where he was in the primary. there was an unbelievably
talented field of republicans that mr. trump bested. corey led that team. i think he deserves a lot of credit for it. paul manafort has a lot of experience in general elections, and i think that's as the campaign shifts into a general election mode, it makes sense to shift strategies and leadership to somebody who has got the experience necessary to win in november. >> it never looks good when a campaign manager is fired, and a lot of people have talked about a winning campaign, especially at this stage in the game does not fire its xen campaign manager. do you have any concerns with the fact this shake-up happened a month before the gop convention? >> no, i think it shows the trump campaign understands what is necessary to focus to get the mechanics and organization ready for a general election. it's a much different playing field than a primary. you have seen that. you just had patti solis doyle talking about the shift they had in hillary's campaign way back when.
>> that was in february of 2008 though. >> fair enough. but at some point, at this point we're 30 days out from the convention, this is a perfect time to pivot to the general election. the campaign recognized it needed a new leadership structure and we had someone like paul with his experience that was a perfect fit to lead the team going forward in the general. that's mr. trump's decision to make and i think he made one that's in the best interests of his campaign and his ability to win in november. but, look, i think you're seeing a combined republican effort. we synced up really well. tomorrow we're launching a website that's going to focus on hillary clinton's lies. if anyone wants to see the first video, if they text trump to 88022 they can get a partnership of that video. i think you will see a combined republican effort to go after hillary clinton to expose the lies she had going back not just in the recent scandals but the whole legacy of the clintons going back to little rock about how they have a pattern of deceit and untrustworthiness.
>> interesting timing that trump's making that speech tomorrow, sean, and you're rolling out -- >> rolling out this -- >> how convenient. >> florida down eight in the quinnipiac poll. i'm sure you have the same problem i do which is you're addicted to the electoral map and all the games you can play. i >> i'm going to get you guys help. >> can you piece together an electoral victory for donald trump that doesn't include florida? >> certainly like florida. there's no question about it. when you look at the q poll that came out, we're tied aor up in pennsylvania, even in ohio. there's a lot of states he puts in play. there's no question michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, maine, there are states that traditionally haven't been part -- >> you need all of them. if you lose florida though, sean, you need all of them. is that possible? >> no, i don't think -- you need a combination of them. i think to be sitting here 28 days from the convention writing off a state because you're down
a touchdown is really not an accurate reflection of how the general election is going to turn out. we haven't focused on the general election. both sides have been involved in the primary process. we have built an enormous ground game in florida on the trump side and the republican national committee side. i feel very good about how we're going to do in florida. i think it will be part of a winning coalition but i think we're also going to expand the map as we go forward. >> sean spicer, great to see you. shean, breaking news that the rnc is rolling out their first big effort coordinating with the trump campaign in this new website just as hillary clinton is rolling out a website of her own taking on trump's business record. sean, great to see you. >> we should note he said down a touchdown in florida but it's with the two-point conversion. >> easy, you two. >> hillary clinton getting set to deliver a speech any moment
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assault-style rifle that he used in the attack on the pulse nightclub. >> authorities say that staff at the florida shooting range had to step in actually after seeing how the shooter handled the gun. cnn's justice correspondent evan perez is actually learning much more about this. evan, what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, kate, the staff at this shooting range did interrupt him because a lot of gun ranges, you know, they find that to be unsafe handling of firearms. so they corrected him and after the shooting in orlando they remembered that this was the guy, and they went back and found video of this and have now turned it over to the fbi. this was the sig sauer rifle, the rifle that he used in the orlando shooting and so this is all now part of this sprawling investigations. the fbi says they've talked to 500 witnesses, done 500 interviews and that's part of what the attorney general is doing down there is to come and get a briefing on what the u.s. attorney's office in tampa has
found so far. as you know, there's still a lot of focus on the wife and what she knew, whether or not there was anything she knew that could have prevented the attack. whether she should have called the authorities. we're told that that investigation is stillon goi on. we don't expect it to wrap up anytime soon. >> thank you so much. any moment now hillary clinton will attempt to deliver a major blow to donald trump's campaign. we know that she plans to take on and attack the presumptive republican candidate on the economy and his business record. will she be able to land a blow where donald trump is seen as strongest? we're going to bring you that speech as soon as it begins.
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any minute now hillary clinton will be making a speech, a speech on a hugely important topic in a hugely important swing state, ohio. the presumptive democratic nominee in columbus, ohio, to talk about the economy, but let's be honest, more to talk about donald trump. >> looking at pictures of former governor ted strickland of ohio. he is in a tight senate race right now in that state. he is certainly hoping hillary clinton does well there is he can ride some coattails. now, on the economy, hillary clinton is trailing trump on that issue. she wants to change that and she wants to win over some bernie sanders supporters who might be on the fence. let's talk about this. joining us, chief business correspondent christine romans. cnn global economic analyst and assistant managing editor for "time" rana farouhar, barry b bennett and patti solis doyle.
jake sullivan says if trump is behind the wheel, he will drive the economy off the cliff. if that is true why is donald trump leading in the polls on who is best to handle the economy? >> i think what hillary will do today is similar to what she did in san diego on foreign policy in terms of contrasting with trump. she took his direct words and his policies and contrasted them with her vision for america, and she's going to do that today. after san diego her numbers in terms of who would do a better job as commander in chief went up. i think after today's speech, her numbers in terms of the economy will go up, and you will see that. tomorrow she's going to give another speech on the economy, really more focusing on her vision. so i think the one-two punch will be very effective for hillary clinton today. >> if you look at the current snapshot in time, the current cnn poll, if you look at it, she has successfully -- she's done a
good job of branding him as temperamentally unfit at least for the moment ton president. that's one of the things that we're seeing in the poll. he successfully branded her as less honest, less trustworthy. the double negatives catch me up every time. >> more crooked. >> that's your word. if she's able to successfully brand hims a temperamentally unfit, why would she not be successful in doing the same with the economy today? >> i don't know that she's been that successful. if you ask the people of pennsylvania and ohio, it looks like it hasn't been successful at all. and her speech in san diego, i think people still favor him on terrorism which i think they view as more important than foreign policy. so i don't think this has been quite as successful at all. >> you don't think that first speech made any difference at all? before that he was leading in the polls. after that she's leading in the polls. >> before that in the bloomberg poll he was down 12 and now in your poll he's down 5. sop i could easily argue, wow, we're doing really well. >> christine romans, bernie
sanders supporters, hillary clinton wants to go after them in general but specifically on the economy, specifically in places like ohio. who are they? what do they want? >> they are people who want a pay raise. they want a better job. they want to be in that part of the economy now where there are people who already have a job who are pretty easily getting new jobs and getting pay raises. there's this other part of the economy where people feel stuck and those are in those old rust belt states. they don't feel they have the opportunity. she has got to prove to them middle class, i got your back, and i'm going to help you be upwardly mobile again. that's who she has to directly appeal to. these are people who have lost opportunity they think because of trade, maybe rightly, maybe wrongly. in some cases it might be because jobs have moved to different states, different countries. it also might be because they don't have the skills and education to match the jobs that are replacing those. she's got to appeal to them that she in the next four years can find a way to give them space in the american economy. >> we do know some of the previews -- previewing of this speech is that she's going to go after him, use his words against
him, go point by point on the topics he's talked about so far in the economy. one of those things is how he would handle the national debt. >> yeah. >> why did his prescription or what he has said and clarified, why has that faced so much backlash on the national debt? >> well, a couple reasons. one thing is if you say you may possibly not honor the sovereignty of u.s. national debt, i mean, that's sort of an international financial market-moving kind of a statement. this coupled with the fact that what we've seen so far of trump's economic plans, and we haven't seen a lot of detail, show essentially something that looks a lot like reaganomics on steroids, lots of tax cuts particularly favoring the rich but not a lot of sense about where the spending cuts would be. so that map ends up giving you a budget where you need to borrow more to keep daily business running. if you're talking about not honoring your debt commitments, that's a worrisome combination. >> guys, stick around. a lot more to talk about. hillary clinton due to speak any moment. we'll bring it to you live when it happens. we're going to take a quick break. when we get back, is this
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we are keeping an eye on ohio waiting for hillary clinton to speak any moment on the economy but more so, basically part two of the speech she gave on foreign policy in san diego. this time taking on donald trump's business credentials. his big strength, his business record. money, still. fund raising money though. we talked to you about it earlier in the hour. sean spicer was on. he is not worried about the numbers in the month of may at all. the rnc has done a great job overall. not worried about donald trump's fund raising numbers where they stand. you're not either. but why aren't people donating though? donald trump could write a
number any minute if he wanted to bring those numbers up. >> we very first asked on social media. the facebook post, i saw it. the first e-mail went out to the house list today. with $2 million thing. that's the first time they've tried to raise money. >> not really. they were just in vegas for big dollar doe natinations? >> they did a sweep through texas, california, and in nevada. it's a split. but it's a lot of money. they already raised a lot more money than hillary did last month as well. but i mean, the next month, it will be totally different. >> you fund raised before but donald trump is saying two things at once. number one, i need the money badly. that's what the pitch is right now and i don't need the money. i could write myself a check if i had to. what is the message donors are getting? what works better?
desperation or strength? >> strength. strength always works better than desperation. if you've got strong poll numbers, if you've got a strong message, if you feel like the party appearatus is coming together, that works in raising money but my question to barry is why did the first solicitation go out today? he needs the money. the campaign needs money to buy, you know, advertising, well ahead of, you know, the clinton campaign that's already buying ads for the fall. ad time. i just, why, i guess, is my question. >> because he promised to fund the primary himself. which he did. i mean, we're not the nominee for another three weeks but hoohe's just started. it was lunacy to think it will turn on monday. we've got two of the most well known people in the world running against each other from
die diabolically different positions. i think someone told me when romney got the nomination at the conventi convention, there were like, seven field staff. today, there were over 500. i understand that you've got 800 people in the office. i don't know what they'll do. >> they're not in the brooklyn office. they're in ohio and florida. >> as we wait for hillary clinton, immaterial want to ge line here. what's the one thing you want hillary clinton to say with smart money minds? what are you looking for? >> not just what donald clinton, sorry, donald trump is going to do. what he's going to do but what she's going to do right and in particular, what's different this time around than in the '90s. i think this message of putting bill in charge of the '90s isn't really working. we need to know what's going to be different or better for her.
>> equals nafta in ohio or some of the states to woo here. i think the headline is for her, there could be a recession in the next four years. maybe in the next eight years. we've gone seven years without her. i can work with congress right out of the gate to do infrastructure, tax reform, immigration reform. those are the things business wants to see. those are the things people want to see right away to get money moving and the economy working better. >> a tough note to strike. don't want to say with eight years out and be careful also. christine, ronna, patty, barry. thank you. we are waiting for hillary clinton to speak in columbus, ohio. when we come back, the speech. >> we'll be right back. show me movies with romance.
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hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to "legal view." we've got some live business to take care of right now. hillary clinton to the right of your screen about to take that stage in columbus, ohio. that's officially the rust belt for those of us wondering where the most critical places to campaign might be lately. she's about to give an economic speech most likely targeting donald trump. inside that just outside of the purview of the lens shot right now is our brianna keeler,