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erase the fear of what might come next. new questions tonight about the worst terror attack in this country since 9/11, plus trump and clinton go head to head on money and god. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. we're learning more tonight about the brutal orlando rampage massacre, rampage shooting. investigators say the gunman was inside the pulse nightclub hours before the attack, leaving and then returning two hours later, but we don't know where he was or what he did during that time. meanwhile on the campaign trail, hillary clinton hits donald trump where he lives, money. >> we cannot put a person like this with all his empty promises
in a position of power over our lives. we can't let him bankrupt america like we are one of his failed casinos. >> and trump tells a group of evangelicals this. >> what you really have to do is you have to pray to get everybody out to vote, one specific person. >> a big day out on the campaign trail. let's get right to it. seenior white house correspondent jim acosta and executive editor mark preston. i think it's an understatement to say it's a big day on the campaign trail. this is a day after he fired his campaign manager corey lewandowski. let me put these numbers out. cnn's new poll show hillary clinton beating donald trump 47% to 42, not a huge margin. here's how he responded.
take a listen to this. >> i've been brutalized by the press for three weeks, and she has had the best week she's ever had and there's very little difference in the polls. >> not the first one that shows him trailing. the controversial remarks catching up, histrionics? >> that's the message coming from the campaign, hey, look, you know, we've had a rough few weeks but i'm only seven points down in the polls or five points down in the polls. you know what, they do kind of have a point, but when donald trump says the press has been beating up on me for last few weeks, i mean, let's just dispense with that for a -- these are all self-inflicted wounds that donald trump has been dealing with. >> not to trump supporters. >> the media hates him. >> and perhaps they have stopped some of the bleeding yesterday with the firing of corey lewandowski. i talked to several trump advisers today, campaign sources today, who said, you know what. this is going to sort of open up the floodgates. we've need to hire communication staff and now we can hire communication staff and this evening the trump campaign said
we've hired certain people to do high-level jobs within the campaign. we've been told these positions were being filled and this was in the works while corey lewandowski was in charge. don, i have to tell you i have not seen a volume of e-mails coming from this campaign that i've seen today. we have gotten more e-mails coming from this campaign today than i've seen throughout the entire course of this campaign, all offering sort of a prebuttal of this speech from hillary clinton earlier today and then responding to her speech acting like, and mark preston knows from covering campaigns, acting like a real presidential campaign so the post-corey effect seems to be up and running. >> was corey stopping all of this? >> so the big -- talk about inside politics at its best, really like intrigue. this is palace intrigue. you have corey lewandowski who really did help donald trump win the republican primary. anyone who says any different is lying. however, you needed a change at the top, and they had brought in paul manafort who is a longtime republican operative to come in
and try to develop strategy for a general election and then you had these two gentlemen butting heads. what do they say, proximity is power. corey lewandowski was always right next to donald trump. >> had donald trump's ear. >> every time i went to trump tower he was there in trump's office and was a person who came down and would invite us up or what have you. let me put up another pull, quinnipiac university published a three battleground poll, florida, hillary clinton tops him 47% and 39 and in pennsylvania by one and in ohio a dead heat. if trump loses florida, can he win in november? >> no, he can't, and i think the -- the state poll numbers are almost more important than these national numbers. >> really? >> we're going to seat national number fluctuate from time to time but if he can't win florida, ohio and -- pennsylvania has always been fool's gold for republicans. that's a very difficult state. they think they can put it in play and perhaps his different
brand, his different style of voter can put that state in play but if you lose ohio, if you lose florida, it's over. you don't win by popular vote. you win by electoral vote. this is the united states. the guy with the most votes doesn't always win. >> so you think they are realizing -- actually not a popularity contest. >> it's not -- i was fascinated by how close things are in ohio still because ohio is really the key economic battleground in a lot of ways. i mean, ohio is where you've got the rest belt voter, working class white man who hasn't had a real -- >> that's a trump supporter. >> that's the people that hillary needs to be speaking to and she did frankly a pretty good job today kind of laying out some of the problems in his economic message, but now she needs to in the next stage bring a real inspirational message to some of those people to get them excited about were why should they care about her. >> you mentioned her message. she hit him on his business acumen today. take a look at this. >> donald trump has said he's
qualified to be president because of his business record. a few days ago he said, and i quote, i'm going to do for the country what i did for my business. so let's take a look at what he did for his business. he's written a lot of books about business. they all seem to end at chapter 11. and over the years he intentionally ran up huge amounts of debt on his companies and then he defaulted. he bankrupted his companies not once, not twice but four times. hundreds of people lost their jobs. shareholders were wiped out. contractors, many of them small businesses, took heavy losses. many went bust but donald trump he came out fine. >> so his business success is the centerpiece of his pitch, right, of why he should be
president, but do you think people are going to be taking a second look? is she causing people to take a second look at his business acumen here and how he's run his businesses? >> i think so. anybody who says i like to play with debt, i'm great at debt. i don't think that message resonates at all. >> it was awkward. >> the chapter 11 remark was one of the best ones of the speech, and, you know, you look at this guy's record. he's trying to position himself as the anti-wall street candidate, right? he's completely a creature of wall street, highly leveraged real estate deals, bankrupt four times. i think she made some serious points there. >> one more clip about national debt. listen to this. >> he calls himself the king of debt, and his tax plan sure lives up to that name. according to the independent tax policy center it would increase the national debt by more than $30 trillion over 20 years.
that's trillion with a "t. request the "it's much, much more than any nominee of either party has ever proposed. and economists describe it with words like not even in the universe of the realistic, and how would he pay for all this debt? well, he said, and i quote, i would borrow knowing if the economy crashed you could make a deal. it's like he said you know you make a deal before you go into a poker game. well, actually it's not like that at all. the full faith and credit of the united states is not something we just gamble away. >> i want to ask you this because you're an economic analyst. trump did backpedal on defaulting on the debt and the fact that the u.s. could print more money. >> yeah. >> i mean, is -- are his economic policies as dangerous as hillary clinton is making
them out to be? >> they are pretty dangerous. the analyst she's quoting is a pretty middle of the road person. a lot of people see his plan, what he's released of it, and there hasn't been enough detail as kind of reagonomics on steroids. you're talking about major tax cuts, a lot accruing to the wealthiest and no real areas of spending cut which means you need to take on more debt to run the government which happened in the reagan era and a weird mix of populism, sort of anti-trade rhetoric and the fact is that global markets have no idea how he would react in a crisis. thursday's vote on brexit in the uk will be an interesting moment because if there is a market-moving event it would seem like a good moment for hillary clinton as being a safer pair of hands. >> as donald trump is heading over to scotland at the end of the week. >> his new golf course? >> another one of his businesses. >> let's talk about the debt thing, jim. i have one more question because here's what he tweeted.
he has called himself the king of debt and said he loved debt but today after clinton attacked him he responded i am the king of debt. that's been great for me as a businessman, but it is bad for the country. i made a fortune off the debt. will fix u.s. now he's backing away from his embrace of the debt as a businessman. is that going to hurt him? >> there's a couple of things and can i hear the talking points from the white house echoing in my ears. they will say time and again that this president, president obama has cut the deficit, you know, like no president has done before since bill clinton and they feel like the democrats are pretty safe and hillary clinton is pretty safe in that regard. donald trump is trying to make the economy an issue in this campaign, but, don, i'm not convinced that voters will be voting with their pocketbooks this fall. the unemployment rate is going to be under 5% more than likely. i mean, that is a very good economic barometer for the democrats. >> but wages are still so flat. i think that that's the problem. >> that's true. >> and that's actually where
hillary can score some points in her next few speeches because the nature of the labor market has changed. we've got low employment. we don't have any wage growth because there's service jobs, cheap jobs, not that we had in the '90s. >> and having sat here and listened to everyone's talking point. that's not the real unemployment rate and the real unemployment rate is here. >> and donald trump likes to say that. what's interesting about the quickiam poll. for hillary clinton not to be doing better than donald trump in ohio. >> yeah, yeah. >> you know, big economic bellwether, big industrial state and mark remembers from the 2012 campaign, obama versus romney. it all came down to ohio. >> but, you know, trade is a huge issue in ohio hand that can be a weak point for her because she has to grapple with bill clinton's naftor. >> in our cnn/orc poll she does better nationally on trade seeing she got pretty well beat up. >> she hit him today and he's
promising to hit her tomorrow with a big speech. take us ford. >> not something we're used to hearing. put out a website called lyingcrookedhillary.com. one thing to do it. it is one thing for a political operative to put that out to try to take down a candidate. another one to have one of the candidates put that the out to try to take down his rival, and that's what we're seeing here. listen, he's going to head over to scotland and tomorrow he's just going to go out and it's the same rhetoric over and over again and guess what? his rhetoric is still working. the fact of the matter is if you look at our polling numbers, he is still held higher on the question of honesty and trustworthiness and that's what he'll hit her on tomorrow the american public still think that he is more honest and trustworthy than hillary clinton is. that's her achilles' heel. >> and if he can ratchet up the negatives. this is boiling down to be a barf bag election. it's a competition between who is the least unpopular. >> have you heard that before? >> i think i just made that up.
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that money going? drew griffin does the math for us. >> reporter: he is famously rich, famously boastful and from the very beginning of this campaign he made sure everyone knew donald trump would be like no other candidate in the race. >> because i don't need anybody's money. it's nice. i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. >> reporter: donald trump may be using his own money, but he's also spending a lot of that money on donald trump. in one of the odder twists in an ever odder campaign, the candidate who owns jets, resorts, hotels and office buildings is apparently making sure that's the very jet, resorts, hotels and office buildings his campaign is using. >> nobody's going to be taking care of me. i don't want anybody's money. >> reporter: newly released federal election commission expenditures show donald trump, the candidate, has been spending millions on donald trump the businessman, and it's all
perfectly legal. trump's campaign has paid trump's tag air $4.6 million to use the trump jet, trump's mar-a-lago resort has been paid for, $123,000, trump restaurants, $133,000. it goes on and on. tens of thousands to trump golf courses, thousands to trump hotels, even $3,900 to son eric trump's winery. all together, it adds up to about $6.3 million, roughly 10% of trump's campaign spending is on, well, businesses run, operated or owned by the candidate himself, donald trump. what is true, don, donald trump has self-financed most of this campaign by loaning his campaign his own money. now will he eventually end up profiting on his campaign for president? unless he releases those tax
returns way down the road, we may never know. don? >> drew griffin, thanks very much. here to discuss out all of that,tic think o'brien executive editor of "bloomberg view" and william cohen "author of "price of silence" and william miller, senior adviser to donald trump. good evening, gentlemen. thanks so much for being here. as you just heard, steven, as much as 10%, some say up to 17% of donald trump's campaign spending is going back to trump businesses. is he lending his campaign money and then a good portion of what the campaign spends goes back to him, is that right? >> he's already said he's not going to repay the loan, but, of course you're going to spend money on your own facilities if you're visiting a place to have a facility. how crazy would it be to go to palm beach, florida for an event and not stay in the hotel that you own. that would be very wasteful because obviously you're going to be able to get a better steel at your own properties. >> he hasn't filed that with the s.e.c. saying he'll forgive the loan. >> doesn't the interview and
said he answered the question. >> he said he's going to do it? >> he sawed he's not going to going to repay the loans. >> why not file with the fec? >> i believe at some point he will. >> how much he's lagging behind in fun raising, do you think he can attract more from people if they say money is going back to his campaign 17%? >> i think it's the opposite. the extent to which the campaign has been extraordinarily frugal makes it a more attractive investment for people. if you compare -- everybody agrees on. in the primary we spent the least amount of money and got the best result and everybody agrees has shown we can have a more efficient campaign operation. if you look at where a lot of money will go in the future. obviously advertising will be a big chunk of that and another thing we're doing differently is putting more scrutiny on people involved in polling and advertising and all aspects of the campaign. we're running a much tighter ship than we're used to. >> do you look at this as a
frugal campaign as stephen says and, again, he hasn't filed with the fec that he's going to be giving a loan, he says he is. >> look, he's gotten, i don't know what the number s.$2 billion of free advertising, free tv time. i assume that will continue now during the general election and hillary clinton will get a lot of that, too. i'm not certain that i feel like donald is as good a businessman as he would like us to believe. there's the four bankruptcies. i don't feel like this campaign, maybe it's lean, but when you find that you only have like $1.5 million in your coffers at this stage of the campaign doesn't exactly inspire confidence and, again, we've said this before on this show. i mean, he claims he's worth $10 billion or 11 billion. we have no idea what he's really worth. he hasn't released his tax returns and hasn't released anything that looks like business projections that one could do a discounted cash flow of and try to figure out what he's worth so, i mean, i think as usual he's very good at the
bluster and very good at making people think he's very important and successful but i don't really see that it's really there. >> these files raise new questions, tim, about trump's financial situation and you've seen trump's tax returns previously, right, but you can't discuss directly what's in the tax returns, right in. >> i can discuss generally why i think it matters to the american public that he release his tax returns. i think one thing i would like to note earlier when steve was saying trump has been very frugal in his spending. we have no evidence yet he's been frugal. all we know is he's paid his own properties to use his properties but we don't know if he paid market rates or above market rates. >> what i mean -- >> until there's more disclosure. >> let him finish. >> he's talking about trump's business record. >> no, no, no. he's directed -- >> stop, stop, stop. >> when both of you speak, the audience gets nothing out of it. >> directing the question to me. >> let him finish the statement and you'll get a chance to respond to it. >> i think until there's more disclosure from the trump campaign we don't know whether
or not this is frugal spending. when it comes to the tax returns, donald trump can settle a lot of issues about people's concerns about what his income really is about how robust his businesses really are, whether or not he could really self-fund a campaign by releasing his tax returns. it's a very easy thing to do which he doesn't done yet. >> let him respond. go ahead, steve. >> i don't know where to start. a comical fixation from the two of you on the subject matters that you just go on and on about all the time and i don't real understand why but the reason it's frugal because he spent less money than any other campaign. it's not a complicated equation. you add up how much money he spent and compare that to other campaigns and that should answer your question. >> what about the free advertising? >> i took care of you. with respect to what you were saying, you can go into the world and touch and see and experience the amazing properties that he has stretched all across this country and all across the world. can you go visit turnberry in scotland and look at trump tower
and look at mar-a-lago. >> one thing new yorkers know is -- >> i think it's important, i think it's important to say these are wonderful, amazing buildings that he's built, that people live their lives. they have their businesses. they live out their dreams. >> what does that have to do with what we're doing? >> iconic world class properties and to listen these people talk the buildings aren't even real is imaginary and the plane is imaginary. >> what you're not addressing is why doesn't he just release the tax returns? >> he's got an opportunity right now to simply disclose. >> such a surreal debate. honestly, i don't even know why we're not talking about this, why we're not talking about isis or immigration or the economy or anything else. you two are so fascinated on this you can talk about it off camera. >> talking about his tax returns, listen. >> will you reveal your taxes to the american people before the election? >> as soon as the audit is done. i'm under a routine audit. been audited many, many years in a row. they are audits that go and they
are routine and you don't learn very much, if anything, from a tax return. >> but your tax rate. >> i filed papers with the federal elections. now, when the audit is complete, 100%, i don't care. a lot of people haven't filed their tax returns. a lot of people haven't given their tax returns. >> what if that audit is after election day? is there a chance that your tax return -- >> i don't know that it will be. if it's before i give my tax returns. i have no problem with it. >> there will be a chance. >> i think it will be done before. it's very routine. it would certainly be a chance. >> any candidate who says i am a great businessman, i'm going to rescue this company because of my acumen, this country economically because of my business acumen and yet i'm not going to show you the health of my businesses, how i make my money, how much taxes i'm paying, i think that that is being hypocritical and the american people want to know if he is who he says he is.
>> it's a 40-year tradition. >> when that's the centerpiece of why he's running for president of the united states. >> if you want a conversation about transparents, then we can talk about the most -- >> we're talking about donald trump now. >> unbelievable lacking in transparent candidate in history in hillary clinton. >> we will discuss hillary clinton. >> here's the thing. >> no, no, no. i want you to answer my question. you don't think that it's fair to ask if someone is running on their business acumen to save america economically that he won't show his wealth, don't you think that's hypocritical? >> he has. that's what the financial disclosure, is and if congress in its wisdom chooses to change the rules of what the financial disclosures include then they can do so but that is the record of his business finance and -- >> it's not that. >> i understand that this is a deeply important issue to both of you, more important than anything else. >> it's important to voters, stephen. >> he said he's worth $10 billion. >> it's important for anyone who is running for president of the united states. >> right, but the question has been asked and answered so many
times. >> it hasn't been answered. >> it hasn't been answered. >> yes, it has been. >> the simple answer is release the tax returns. >> that hasn't been answered. >> get a show together and say we talk about donnell trump's taxes all day long while isis is marauding all over the world. are you brothers, are you cousins? >> his financial wherewithal. >> the level of obsession sun healthy, guys. i'm telling you on a personal level, as a friend, it's getting unhealthy. >> it's not unhealthy to ask someone the whole basis -- >> to ask the question about taxes is fine but the sclerotic, we don't think donald trump is worth 10, we think he's worth 7. it's not health. >> timothy -- >> we're talking about his track records as a business rater. >> guys, guys, guys. >> one at a time. >> calm down on this stuff. >> one at a time. >> he's running a campaign now where there's very little disclosure and doesn't have a ground operation. >> everything he's required by
law to disclose is being disclosed. >> his accounting is problematic and he's running out of money. >> and on the other side of the break we'll continue this. we'll be right back. been trying to prepare for this day... and i'm still not ready. the reason i'm telling you this is that there will be moments in your life that... you'll never be ready for. your little girl getting married being one of them. ♪ ♪
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all right. we're back discussing donald trump stepping up his fund-raising efforts today but is it too late, too little too late? and back with me tim o'brien, william cohahn and stephen miller. i know you said you think he can do it. he had a fund-raiser in new york city. you got caught in traffic. he said he's planning to match dollar for dollar over the next 48 hours up to $2 million for donations. in this primary season though, do you think he should have been building, you know, a network of smaller donors like bernie sanders has been building, or has he actually been doing that and we don't know about it? >> we put together a pretty robust fund-raising operation and selected an amazing finance chair to head the whole operation who is one of the brightest financial minds in the country so i think we'll see some amazing results, but the great luxury that i have is that i get to focus on policy and i think most of the american people are interested in the policy issues-ins this race and
fund-raising is rather dry details and i hope that the decision that we make in this country, in fact i know the decision we'll make in this country -- >> i don't disagree. people should be more concerned about policy but also your candidate needs money to stay in the race, and if he has $1.3 million on hand comparatively to hillary clinton's some 40 million that he's going to need, you don't think that's important to discuss how he's going to raise money? >> you have to win a campaign before you make policy so it's -- >> we'll talk about policy for the next few months. >> we will talk about policy, but, i mean, i want to try to talk about it every day if i can. >> money in the campaign is very important. come on, stephen. >> he's right. you have to stay in the race in order to win it. in order to stay in the race you have to have money. >> and the reality is trump had a free ride in the primary season. got a lot of free press. >> it was a free ride in which he made history in america and western civilization and changed the course of politics forever
and gave hopeless people hope for the first time in many, many years. that's not anything remarkable at all. >> that's all welled a goodwin, and to your question -- >> what he wants to do to give those people hope he's got to stay in the race until november and it's going to take millions upon millions of dollars to do that. >> hold on, please. >> so how does he does that? >> it's a simple factual issue. we're focused on raising money through the party, through the rny and joint fund-raising account which is not only about our campaign but all the campaigns down ballot which is an important thing for the party right now and we're proud to be doing that. a simple factual correction there about where the fund-raising efforts have been focused. >> the fund-raising efforts have been focused on down ballot. >> on raising money with the c rnc, joint fund-raising account which lifts up the whole republican party. >> every single person i've heard today, read today, said that the trump campaign has an issue with raising money. you're the first person to come on and say there is no money raising issue. >> i've been sort of watching tv, it's comical because we're
doing the fund-raisers, not every day but every week we're doing the fund-raisers and the money is going into the account and everything is going swimmingly. >> ed rollins is a fund-raiser for a pro-trump super pac. >> he said it's now looking into the abyss and he goes on to say he can't either start righting -- he can either start writing checks or selling businesses and golf courses and get on the phone to talk to donors. big donors just don't want to give money unless they have a chance to talk to the candidate and hear what the positions are. it's just been a failure from start to finish on the fund-raising side. i mean, this is not coming from, you know, a never trump person. this is a pro-trump guy who is admitting -- who has a super pac. his job is to raise money. he's saying there's an issue. you are saying no, everything is rosy. >> it's possible somebody watching cnn all day could get the wrong impression.
>> which is what? what's the wrong impression? come on, stephen. don't come on and be smug and cute and try to lie to me. there is a problem raising money an you are -- >> it's -- >> everything is hunky dory. that's his job to raise money and he said he can't raise money. >> you know we canned coordinate with super pacs so that limits the conversations that occur especially on issues of finances. i have endless respect for you and the network. i'm just saying that sometimes there can be, as you know, an echo chamber in politics and an idea that is incorrect can get repeated enough time that it takes on the norm of a truism. >> i don't disagree with you on that, but it's simple arithmetic, and if you -- where's the money it is if you look at the bottom line, what the trump campaign sent out last night is they raised $3 million, $1.3 million on hand. that's not echo chamber or fiction, reality coming from the trump campaign. when you look at the hillary clinton campaign, that's what they have. $42 million on hand.
52 million in the super pac. donald trump raised $500,000 from his super pac. you're telling me those numbers aren't reality, that this is some echo chamber and we're making it up on cnn? >> we've been raising money for the rnc's joint fund-raising account. >> how much do you work? >> i don't work in fund-raising so i won't have the exact numbers. >> how can you come on television and tell me. >> i know that money is being raised. >> how come you can't tell me how much money is being raised? >> i have the great privilege of focusing on policy and don't do fund-raising which is a completely different animal. >> what's the ballpark figure, roughly? >> based upon your conversation this evening i'm don't feel like this is the first person i'll be briefing on that as much as you have our best interest at heart. the conversation seems a bit surreal and everybody is very focused and the fund-raising pictures are fine and the projections fabulous. >> now you sound like donald himself. >> he entered this campaign saying he was a great businessman and there's no
evidence of it. >> i'm just telling you, everyone watching at home is asking this one question why on earth are they still talking about in is i guarantee it. >> because he's asking people at home to donate their money. >> i'll tell you. because donald trump is running for president and this is what happens when you run for president. >> and i welcome the chance to talk about fund-raising and i hope we get the chance to talk about the issue that affect the lufs of working people in this country. >> thank you. you're going to come back and we'll continue this. >> thank you. i appreciate it, and when we come right back, donald trump courts evangelicals and questions hillary clinton's faith. what did he tell them today about his opponent? that's next. about businesses being hacked and intellectual property being stolen. that is cyber-crime. and it affects each and every one of us. microsoft created the digital crimes unit to fight cyber-crime. we use the microsoft cloud to visualize information so we can track down the criminals. when it comes to the cloud, trust and security are paramount. we're building what we learn back into the cloud to make people and organizations safer.
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donald trump making a big push today for evangelical, the evangelical vote, but are they on the same page with the candidate? here to discuss is dana lash, author of "flyover nation." >> grabbed, that there you go. >> you can't run a country you've never been to, all right, and bacarri sellers, a former member of south carolina house of representatives and hillary clinton supporter. dana, i'll start with you. donald trump spoke with a group
of evangelicals trying to get their support. he's spoken about his support of planned parenthood and parts of planned parenthood and recently supported some gay issues, gay rights. is he on their side, or are they on his side? >> i don't know. i would love to -- i think everybody were love to know the answer to that question. >> that's a good answer, we don't know. >> before this started you and i is this not the laziest political cycle ever. here's the thing. if there is, i'm all about finding common ground and people coming to terms with stuff that they have said in the past and working with evangelicals, what have you. i think what people are looking for and what some voters are looking for and people who are outright donald trump supporters they want to have that connection. they want to hear that story that resonates with them. why did you have this change of snaert why do you think -- why do you think the way you think on this certain issue, and i think they are waiting for him to have that moment, that humanizing moment. >> he hasn't had one. >> everyone knows trump the pop culture icon.
everybody knows trump from "the apprentice" and from television and know him from his kids, but aside from all of that, that's the brand. they want to hear more from just trump, the guy, and i think that that would go a long way with some that have. >> do you think evangelicals are behind him when he makes statements like that when he says i'm the best for gays and, you know, planned parenthood does good things. those are antithetical issues. >> i don't know an evangelical who would have a problem saying, you know, i like the gays. honestly. i'm like arm the gays right now. arm them. >> all right. we'll discuss that. baccari, i want you to listen to what donald trump said today at a meeting about hillary clinton's faith. listen. >> this is about hillary in terms of religion. she's been in the public eye for years and years and years and yet there's no -- there's nothing out there. it's like nothing out there. it's got to be an extension of obama but it will be worse because with obama you have your
guard up and with hillary you don't and it's going to be worse. >> so he says there's nothing there. there's nothing there, but we have seen hillary clinton in probably hundreds of religious settings speaking to congregations of all faiths. what's your response to that? >> i mean, it's completely absurd and it's the type of politics that i think many republicans are afraid of and this country is tired of. hillary clinton walks by her faith and to question her religion is beyond pale. i was spouking to a religion and spiritual adviser and prayer warriors for hill hill, and, i mean, just to actually say that and not have any basis for it. this woman like anybody else, like dana, like moy mom, my wife, goes through ups and downs in life and when she goes through the ups and downs she gets on her knees and bray prays to god and she's as christian as christian can be. being christian is not about saying it but it's about how you
treat others and i don't think hillary clinton has to wear it on her leaves. i think by the way she treats others is enough. some things in the political realm have to be off limits, and to question somebody's religious beliefs and then throw that and juxtapose that with barack obama and we know what he believes barack obama to be, i just don't know what he's doing and i think that this is the type of things that people thought were going to change when he third corey lewandowski, but it's the same old donald trump. >> before you respond, dana, both of the candidates talking about their religious beliefs, listen to this. >> i feel very north nat that i am a person of faith, that i was raised in my church and that i have had to deal and struggle with a lot of these issues. i have lived a very public life for the last 25 or so years, and so i've had to be in public dealing with some very difficult issues, and -- and personal issues, political, public
issues, and i read a -- "a treatment of the jesuit son" parable but a magnificent writer of spiritual and theological concerns, and i read that parable and there was a line in it that became just a lifeline for me, and it basically is practice the discipline of gratitude, so regardless of how hard the days are, how difficult the decisions are, be grateful. be grateful for being a human being, being part of the universe. be grateful for your limitations. know that you have to reach out to have more people be with you to support you, to advise you. listen to your critics. answer the questions. >> i see god as the ultimate. you look at this -- here we are in the pacific ocean. how did i ever own this? i bought this 15 years ago and made one of the great deals they say ever with this piece of
land. i have no mortgage on it. i will certify and represent to you and i was able to, you know, buy this and make a great deal. that's what i want to do for the country make great deals. we have to. we have to bring it back. god is the ultimate. god created this and, you know, here's the pacific ocean right behind us so nobody, no thing, there's nothing like god. >> what's your reaction? >> what reaction can you have quite honestly? >> because i think that your god is your personal -- that's your -- >> i think it's totally fine to question candidates about their faith. i think it's totally fair game. question trump about his faith, question hillary about her faith. i think we should be questioning them about their faith and here's why. i want to know to whom do they hold themselves account schnabl do they hold themselves accountable to a higher power? do they ask for forgiveness? do they ask for repentance? that's the thing. that's what i want to know hand what voters want to see. >> what do you think he meant -- >> let me get to this, don, and
i wrote about this in the book. one of the things, and this is me coming tat from "flyover nation." i'm a sinner. i'm not perfect. i mess up, but it's about repentance and try not to make the same mistakes and i think some people look at what hillary said and they will have difficulty reconciling that with her position on abortion. >> don, if i may just quickly. i mean, we're talking about repentance and we're talking about just, you know, asking for forgiveness for your sins but you're talking about someone who has never made a mistake in his life before, donald trump who refuses to admit that he's done absolutely anything wrong, and i'm not going to sit here and question donald trump's faith. i'm not in any position to do that and i don't have to the audacity to do that. if that's an appropriate question for you to ask, then so be it, and i just think that donald trump was out of bounds, and if i have to stand up here tonight and defend hillary clinton's faith then i think that she does that well enough on her own, not by what she says but how she lives.
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your book, "flyover nation, you can't run a country you've never been to," political and social division in the country right now. >> right. >> and i think it sort of personifies this whole gun debate that people -- >> yeah, there's a chapter in there. >> what do you make of what's happening with this gun debate in washington? >> to me i think that there's a lot of misinformation out about the issue. look, there's -- there's common ground here. there's common ground for pro second amendment advocates for myself and people who don't like the idea. we're on the same patriot missile. i don't want to prohibit a possessor from illegally obtaining a firearm and running around and using it to murder innocents any more than you do or anybody for gun control does. gun control doesn't solve that problem. it's not a gun issue. it's a hate issue and heart issue. there is something wrong with people's hearts when they want to go out and mass murder people. mass murder. that's a pretty serious crime. they are not going to be put off of committing that crime by just a simple gun law. >> but not even the type of gun that should be available, because we know -- people are
going to get their hands on guns. if you want to get your hand on a gun illegally, you're going to get it but you don't think even the types of guns that should be available, you don't think that should be limited >> well it is already limited. national firearms act, you can't go out and purchase a fully automatic firearm. whenever they say assault weapon, that's incorrectly applied because they are talking about military grade firearms. the ar-15 is the civilian version of the em16 which was patterned after the ar-15. >> the sig sawer. >> a high-powered .22 is what the ar- 1/5 is and it looks dangerous because it's all black and has a scope and things on it that people don't know what they are and they think it looks aggressive but they cannot go out and get fully automatic firearms. >> you can get semiautomatic weapons and what is perceived and known as an assault weapon, the sig sauer that he used and the ar-15. >> those are semi auto. >> but fewer than 1.4% of crimes are committed with those, with rifles. they are committed with handguns, and that's the big issue. it's not rifles. it's the media saturation though
about these tragedies that everyone thinks that these rifles and crimes equipmented with them, that's more prevalent. >> and you discuss the disconnect on that issue and this issue. >> bakari, what do you make of this conversation and what dana said? >> i think it's very interesting because i have a concealed weapons permit. i'm from the south. i have a concealed weapons and i have never known anyone hunt or protect their home with an ar-15. >> a common firearm. >> i want to ask dana one simple question. >> yes. >> and we kind of got off on ar-15s and everything else but there was a young man who was deranged, filled with hate who shouldn't have got a weapon, got a weapon which was handgun, multiple handguns and walked into a church in charleston, south carolina and murdered nine people and someone in that same situation can do the exact same thing today, so i think we have two options. we have two options. either we extend that loophole -- >> you asked me a question. >> i am. >> either we extend the days
whereby the fbi has the opportunity to perform the background check. >> that's the problem right there. >> or we actually give the fbi the resources to complete the background problem. >> also a problem. the fbi -- let me answer that really quickly. it's quite easy. the fbi admitted that they screwed up. dylan roof was a murderous racist thug who shouldn't have been able to obtain a firearm but the very system that our government tells us was designed to protect us from acts like this failed us. james comb de, the director of the fbi came out and said, you know what, we screwed up. it was an error on our part and if we had not made this error he wouldn't have been able to get the firearms. >> you're not telling the whole story. >> let me finish my whole answer and i'll get the full story out there. >> please. >> the government tells us it will protect us from incidents like this and they didn't protect us in san bernardino. that was an illegal transfer and violated the universal background check in california, the san bernardino terrorist attack, that could have been
stopped, could have been tashd if malik was fully vetted and jared loughner would have been stopped had they responded to community colleges. criminals are always going to have guns. that's not good enough to take mine from me and i want to defend myself. >> that's a cop youpt. >> and i'm a woman. the fbi screwed up. >> what we do know if the fbi had longer, we do know there was a pending investigation and if the fbi had one or two more days -- >> if the fbi had done his job in the beginning he would have been denied and that's what james comey said. that's also a fact. >> one at a time, please. they messed up. bakari, the fbi screwed up. you're talking about giving a government agent sill more resources when they continue screwing up. >> dana, daya, the fbi had an opportunity and they were full el investigating this and further investigating this because it was a clerical error and if they had more time those people would be alive. there's one other simple fact that you and others fail to realize. omar mateen was not on the
terror watch list anymore and why he was not on that wash list. >> political correctness. >> there are other omar mateens on the watch list. >> democrats need to open up a federal investigation and they need to bring charges because that will render them prohibitive possessors. my step dad is on that watch list and detained and interrogated for two hours. thousands of innocent americans are on that list. democrats need to bring charges and open a federal investigation. >> because he's an american he should be -- >> can i finish. >> your step dad, ted kennedy, john lewis, every other sad lewis. >> that's aren't sad stories, those are facts though. >> dana, if they are on the terrorist watch list. >> by error. >> until they have a probable cause hearing, until they have a probable cause hearing and prove they should not be there. >> that's the problem though. >> you're monologuing and i'm going to get my time in. they are wanting to reduce
probable cause and they want to -- >> we need to go straight to the top of the hour from here and then we'll take a break in the 11:00 show pause this is an important conversation that we're having here. >> thank you guys. very much. appreciate it. >> by the way, it is a myth that ted kennedy was on the no-fly list. >> john lewis was on it. my stepfather was on it. >> here we go, top. hour, donald trump preparing for his next big speech tomorrow and promising to hammer hillary clinton. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. candidate trump meeting with conservative christians and will they support him in the general? i'll talk to two leaders who were there and as clinton blasts trumpnomics as dangerous most voters trust him on the economy and the presumptive nominee said he would be happy to self-fund his campaign with $1.3 million in the bank versus clinton's 42 million.