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that's the question and we're getting on the answers for you this morning. complete coverage with cnn chief political correspondent dana bash live in washington. the house created this select committee more than two years ago. what the committee says they got the information using 75,000 new documents, 81 witnesses never questioned by congress before. it paints the narrative of the outpost of benghazi as a no man's land which made it hard to get crucial funding, even more crucial security and especially given how much the security
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situation deteriorated on the ground during that year between 2011 and 2012 when the deadly attack happened. but what we reviewed, the tsunami your question there doesn't seem tube smoking gun when it comes to hillary clinton's culpability when she was secretary of state but it concludes that her secretary an her top aides had the intelligence to realize how high of a risk benghazi was for merj. let me read you a quote. it says it's not clear what additional intelligence who have satisfied either kennedy who is one of her top aides or the secretary in understanding benghazi compound was at risk short of an attack. as i toss it back to you, other news organizations were given different sections of the report based on different timelines. fox news is reporting on the explanation after the attack from the the administration
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saying the report concludes that the administration got this information from, not from the people on the ground but they crafted their response in washington and that initial response which they admit was wrong was that the protests and the attack was sparked by anti-muslim video. >> that's been one of the lingering questions, obviously why they blamed it on the video. one of the other questions why was ambassador chris stevens in benghazi on september 11th given that he knew it was so violent and he was concerned for the security of himself and the personnel there. so any answers to that? >> reporter: we do have some new information based on e-mails they got from the late ambassador and other documents and interviews where it shows that ambassador stevens we knew saw benighazi as crucial.
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what stevens learned through this report is that funding would actually have been available to make that happen but only through the end of that fiscal year. only through september 30th, the time, 2012. so he had to get there fast to help make the case to secure funding back to washington. also this is interesting and something we didn't know before. emails indicate that secretary clinton and her top aides planned to go to libya in october of 2012 and the people on the ground and senior aides in washington thought that having a permanent consulate in benghazi could be a deliverable for her. one thing i would say stevens has been described as somebody so tenacious, maybe he took too many risks but this report talks about an incident a month before he was killed he decided not to go because it was so dangerous. >> it started with a simple
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mandate let's get to the truth of this situation. now have this report being released. democrats put out a preemptive report. when you look at this special 200 part of this 800 part page report, what's your take? >> reporter: it doesn't seem to be, from this part, and it really is kind of written as a narrative, here's what happened, and here's the story as it unfolded without specific fingers pointed, especially at the secretary. trey gowdy who is the chairman decided he just wanted to do the narrative with no conclusions. so they don't draw any conclusions in this larger report. however, chris, other republicans on the committee, two in fact, congressman jordan and mompeo don't think it's such
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en. they wrote their own 42 page report where they do draw conclusions including the secretary's role was desire to sweep the terror attack under the rug. that was true they say for the entire administration because it was so soon before the 2012 presidential election. let me tell you brian fallon tweeted this morning about this, far from honoring the four brave americans that died the benghazi committee has been a partisan sham since its start. back to you. >> dana, thanks so much. we'll talk more about this throughout the morning. now to donald trump, once again appearing to shift his tone on one of his more, many would say most controversial proposals. he says his muslim ban will not apply to all muslims. so then to whom does this apply? we break down what we know. phil the campaign is saying that this is not a shift. >> reporter: that's right.
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that's not necessarily true. what we're seeing donald trump is edging further and now more explicitly away from that proposed ban on all muslims entering the united states. in many ways this has been a process that's occurred in fits and starts over the last couple of months. take a listen to trump in december and then in may. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> the way everybody read it, it was across the table. >> we have exceptions. ideally you won't have a ban very long. >> now advisors say his campaign is in the midst on working on a memo outlining very specific tailored approach to it. campaign aides are pushing back on that idea that this is a wholesale change. it is. it raises questions about what happens next for a proposal that really has played very well in
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the republican party up to this point. even though top gop leaders like paul ryan real estate main steadfastly po lly opposed. one calls it a tale of two trumps the candidate unwilling or unable to let go of what got him to this point. general election is different than a primary and he's targeting a different electorate. we're starting to see a more professionalized campaign. the building of a real fundraising operation and targeted travel. take a look at trump's schedule today. big economic speech in pennsylvania. a stop that follows that in ohio, two crucial states. two states that trump has to win. if his theory of the race is accurate. for all the uneaseiness and outright opposition out there this is more or less exactly what republicans have to ask for out of their candidate and now they are getting it. >> they've asked for those types of trips. i think the ride that got them
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to these two trips is something nobody was asking for on that side of the fence. we'll see how it plays out. it's a new election. let's discuss some of the implications of the benghazi report that's coming out and what trump is doing. let's have dana bash and cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. barbara, this is unusual to have a report put out in pieces like this selectively before it comes out. obviously they are concerned about the perception of this. one of the big issues was did the military do what it was supposed to do under these circumstances and if not, was it intentionally held back? do you hear of any new findings on that or conclusions that are relevant? >> was the military held back? i think that's beyond unlikely. what we do know is that night defense secretary leon panetta, defense secretary at the time talked to the president. everything was ordered up then.
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the pentagon says that could be. they put forces on alert. contingency forces. emergency response forces. marines. special operations forces. by the time anything could get moving fors were just too far away, the attack was over. there was a lot of discussion during all of these hearings about why wasn't there some kind of air strike, you know, in emergencies people do like to turn to the military. they think the military can do something about it. but on that compound that night a very confused picture and you had u.s. diplomats moving around that compound very rapidly. so exactly where would you drop a bomb if you could get aircraft over the site in time. it was a very confused situation. >> but barbara, i don't mean to interrupt but just on a smaller scale what about the security guys who were at the annex who say there was a stand down or whatever. the rumor was that on a much smaller scale those guys were
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somehow given a stand down or and they say they could have run over to the compound and saved some lives. >> yeah. you know, that has been out there. i think it is fair to say that there's little to no evidence that people who could have helped -- let me say this very bluntly, people who were trained, equipped, ready and could have helped were told absolutely don't go. that has been out there. i think the question remains that could something have really been done and i think it gets back to the point. let's be clear. four people died here. something went very wrong that never should have happened. could the u.s. military have turned it all around? >> i'm sorry, barbara, i didn't mean to interrupt you. i want to add one thing to augment what barbara is saying. is that over and over in the
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sections we read it specifically says that they wanted to on the front end have military support for security, but were told no all the way up to the chairman of the joint chiefs because it would violate president obama's no boots on the ground policy table application here in that narrative had they more military support on the front end they wouldn't need the kind of rescue mission and other problems that led to not being able to help these four americans who were killed. >> so, what is the political play here? we're treating this very thoroughly and going at it as we orderly would. i don't know that's the right tack. this commission was put together for one simple reason. they believe the fix was in here. the place was left vulnerable, done so on purpose and once the attack came it was handed poorly maybe on purpose and in the aftermath it was covered up for
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political reasons. >> i think that's the big question. this has been ongoing conversation within the context of this campaign with hillary clinton emerging as the presumptive democratic nominee. in october last year she gave that 11 hour testimony on the hill there and from the perspective of the clinton campaign that sort of has been enough and they have come out and said this recent report is a witch-hunt. they called it a sham. the big question is whether or not all of the things we know about benghazi and there's some new information here essentially baked into the cake in terms of how average voters see hillary clinton. you certainly see donald trump trying to make some hay over her involvement with benghazi, i'm sure he'll certainly do that with this as well. he for instance has said that hillary clinton was literally asleep while this was happening even though it happened at something like 3:00 p.m. eastern time he later pack pedalled and said she was figuratively asleep
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at the wheel or at the switch. yes, this will be an ongoing line of attack against hillary clinton and we know what their come back is going to be. >> so we will bring you developments as they emerge this morning as we sift through more and more of the pages and findings. let's move on the donald trump and the campaign and particularly his evolution i suppose you can call it on the total and complete muslim ban that he called for immediately. this was one of the main sort of tenets of his platform. certainly got the most attention and since then he has sort of changed the wording on it. let me play for you the different things he said about this. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
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>> is there anything you heard that makes you want to rethink this position? >> no. >> it will be lifted this ban when and as a nation we're in a position to properly and perfectly screen these people coming into our country. >> okay. now the spokes people are saying well only from terror states though they haven't defined those, where are we with this? >> what we're seeing is window into donald trump on policy throughout the course of the 13 months that he's been running for president. however, to your point there's the wall and the muslim ban. these are the two policies that are synonymous with the trump campaign. the most interesting element of trump throughout this entire campaign is inability to pin him down on a specific issue. or on a specific set of facts. sees so agile, so able to shift, jab and move across. he hasn't done that with the muslim ban so explicitly. this weekend in scotland we told
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our colleague he wanted to target terror states. his spokesman walked that back. they are going further on that again. what's happening you have donald trump who is unwilling to move off the issues that made him so successful up to this point and you have campaign advisors who say you need to move off these issues if you want to be successful in the general election. it's a push and pull you'll see today. he has a very scripted speech scheduled in pennsylvania and then a rally scheduled in ohio. watch the two donald trumps play out there. almost a perfect window into what's happening inside his campaign right now as they try to formulate what trump campaign and the general election is. >> look you don't need to have a political consultant to know some issues play well in a primary and others poorly in a general. a muslim ban is that by definition. but how do they finesse the change. can't do a 180. he's a guy that doesn't play the
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game. isn't that what we're seeing here? >> yeah. it's especially surprising since if we were to follow that typical political convention of moving to the center in the general, then after the horrific massacre in orlando, instead of doubling down on his temporary ban on all muslims, immigration into this country he would have started the shift that phil has been reporting on. he didn't. he doubled down and added at the time that he would add some the countries where there seem to be the most dangerous of potential terrorists. now he's shifting to just -- >> which conclude france, by the way. >> a lot of countries. >> very dicey definition. >> just remember also what we're talking about here that the killer in san bernardino and in
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orlando were americans. they were born in america. so that's beside the point. but go ahead. >> do his supporters mind that he has this, you know, ever shifting policy, or do they think that, you know, once again this is him sort of telling it like it is at the moment. >> donald trump supporters who i talked to on one hand, strong and going against the tendency towards political correctness but see him as flexible. on one hand they say it's good he's saying these things about the muslim ban, about building a wall although they don't necessarily believe he'll follow through. there's a bit of a contradiction. with this more broadly his main problem is he has talked about the muslim ban, a temporary muslim ban over and over and over again. it's on tape. can you expect the clinton campaign and democrats more broadly will use his own words in ads where he's talking about
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this. yesterday elizabeth warren talked about this when she was in ohio. it's hard, i think, everybody wants to etch-a-sketch in the famous moment of mitt romney, everybody wants to etch-a-sketch going into a general election. this will be very hard for him to do. >> remember he was pitching to about 50% of about a third of his party. they were the angriest, most frustrated, most demanding of the extreme. now he's not just trying to catch the moderate and more concerned wing of his party but all those independents and democrats he can get. he has to change. the question is will they let him? >> panel thank you very much. obviously we'll have you on stand by throughout the program. >> let's turn to the deepening fallout after the brexit vote. for the first time david cameron is meeting face to mace with eu
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officials in brussels. this is the start of a long process how the uk will break away from the eu. nic robertson has the latest. this comes moments ago as we saw the german chancellor, angela merkel draw very important lines. >> reporter: this meeting may not be a terribly pretty one when cameron gets here in an hour or so. what's heard from the german and french you need to hurry up and get this divorce process going. you need to trigger that article 50 as it's called to make it official. what we heard from angela merkel the european union can go it alone without britain but there are very, very clear lines here. number one no pre-negotiations, no side negotiations, no side deal or some terms before you get into that final exit negotiations. but also as well you're not
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going to get access the message is clear from german and french get access to that free trade zone inside europe unless you let eu workers come in to britain. that's one of the biggest issues. so of course david cameron gets here, leaves a big political mess back home. the opposition party in crisis mode. scotland threatening to break off from europe. >> thank you for spang that so well the. with all this backlash building is there anyway the uk could back out of the brexit referendum. christiane amanpour joins us live with answers from london next. . brady, we've been expecting you.
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think about this is a pause button has been pressed on the project of full european integration. i would not overstate it. there's been a little bit of histo hysteria. every country is rushing off to its own corner. that's not happening. >> what's happening. joining us to discuss this is cnn ianchor, christiane amanpour. great to have you here. what a mess as nic robertson just reported from brussels. one of the things that seems to be happening today is that these leaders who had led the brexit charge seem to be back tracking on the promises that they made to the voters that allowed the voters to vote for brexit. >> reporter: you know, it's been sort of very clear in this week
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right after, you know, brexit happened that there is no plan from the leaders, everybody is asking where is your plan. i asked one of the leading lights of the leave campaign what's the plan. they said we hope david cameron would lead us a plan. you want the loser to figure out your plan for you. where weather he the likes of boris johnson and others who were the faces and main proponents of the official leave campaign. they haven't been seen in public. what about mitigating some of these very, very vital issues that won the leave vote for them, that's immigration and whole take back control was about immigration and it was about paying dues to brussels and on both issues there's been some -- there's been testy talk trying to get some facts out of one of the leave campaigners on the show. >> you confronted the member of
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the european parliament and let's play for everyone that moment. >> so you're saying -- you're saying that parliamentary sovereignty could allow the same number of people coming in. this whole thing was run on -- >> no you guys are shouting racist. >> die say that? >> when you retrack. did i say that? >> you -- >> did i say that? >> so tell us, tell us the back story. you were trying -- the same amount of immigrants could be coming in the very thing that sort of animated this whole movement that nothing would change. >> reporter: well here's the thing they see it was a narrow vote. they see the backlash. they see europe is at least at the moment not about to grant them any special deals if they want to be part of the single market, not going to grant them any sort of stop in the free
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flow of migrants. you know, again, i think it's a vision, that kind of outburst from that gentleman of not knowing where to go next. he told me they were going to have to temper and make the phase of taking back sovereignty as they put it more gradual and you're trying to say hang on a second your voters voted for these specific promises that you're now saying may or may not go into effect. so that was that issue. and it's a very serious one. because as you heard from brussels, angela merkel, all the other leaders and i spoke to the italian prime minister and i said you're seeing what's happening in great britain in the brexit camp right now. is there any room for a britain outside of uk, eu to be a part of the single market and also have, you know, limits on migration. this is what i said to them. is there any room according to the eu to allow britain to
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remain part of the single market and give britain more ability to restrict the free movement of european people of labor. >> in my view it's impossible to remain in the community only with the good things and not with the bad things. in every family if you belong to family you must accept the good things and the bad things. >> so, given all of this and that there does seem to be some regret certainly among voters who wanted to, won the protest vote they wanted their voices heard but not necessarily all this chaos that's come is there any chance that brexit does not happen or that there's a second referendum where people rethink their original vote? >> well, these are, you know, really live questions that are happening here in great britain and perhaps even across the continent. although everybody is saying we have to respect the voice of
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this democratic referendum. but here's the thing. we know that the majority of the british parliament is against out. they want to remain. but are they going to counter people's vote? we also know and this very real there are two major leadership challenges happening in the two main parties. obviously the tory party since david cameron lost his sign and said he'll resign and in the labor party that's in meltdown right now with dozens of their shadow cabinet resigning and even more members saying corbin, the leader has to step down and he's saying no i'm going to stay. there's so much political confusion in house. into this the prime minister now a lame duck prime minister will be going to brussels to meet for the first time his fellow 27 other eu heads of government. you know and they say well you know what we're not going to do any negotiating with you until
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you fully and formally trigger the official clause that's known as article 50 to begin extracting yourself from europe. so it's a little bit we're in unknown territory right now and we'll wait to see how it progresses. >> a catch 22 it sounds like. thanks so much for explaining all this and sharing your interviews with us this morning. we'll talk to you soon. sad news to report this morning. a legendary basketball coach has passed away. we'll tell you who and what to expect next.
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. welcome back to "new day". 25 minutes to the top of the hour now. supporters of abortion rights are celebrating another supreme court ruling this morning. this one overturning a strict texas law that could have forced dozens of clinics to close. the law required clinics providing abortions to meet the same standards as surgical centers but in a 5-3 decision the court ruled shuttering clinics debunking the argument it was necessary to protect women's health. >> big supreme court ruling to tell you about presenting a big
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setback in efforts to prosecute politicians for corruption. the court togsing out the bribery conviction of rocket mcdonnell. the justices found his actions didn't constitute a criminal act under the federal bribery law. mcdonnell was found guilty in 2014 of accepting thousands of dollars in cash and gift from a ceo in order to plot a dietary supplement. >> here's the sad news. legendary women's basketball coach pat summit has died according to a statement from her son. her health was certainly deteriorating in recent weeks. of course the lady ball, pat summit made them. eight title, 38 years as a head coach. she's the winningest coach in women's basketball history. her diagnosis of early on set alzheimer's in 2011.
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she was only 64. what an impact not just x's and o's and wins and loss but the confidence of women's excellence in sport the level they could play at, how they could compete will never be taken. >> to discuss the diagnosis back in 2011 took a different type of strength and i know a lot of people appreciated that as well. let's talk about the political blame game which really never ends and now it's heightening over the benghazi report coming today. is there a smoking gun implicating hillary clinton? we're talking to a congressman on the committee. that's next. wannwith sodastream®er? you turn plain water into sparkling water in seconds. and because it's so delicious, you'll drink 43% more water every day.
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if you look at the statement that i made i clearly said that it was an attack and i also said there were some who tried to justify on the basis of the video, congressman and i think -- >> real quick. calling it an attack is like calling the sky is blue. of course it was an attack. >> do we know the truth now after all the hearings and 800 page report. some of those 11 hours of testimony. you heard the frustration of congressman jim jordan. that was last october asking
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secretary clinton's time and the early narrative on the attack on the out post in benghazi. the republican report coming today does say clinton should have realized the risks facing personnel in benghazi but that's too low a bar. this was about accountability. this is about showing there was some kind of set up that the system had been hiding truth from us. so let's talk with congressman jordan. he wrote his own addendum to the report and he joins us now. congressman tell me if i'm wrong but i plead to your writing of an addendum of frustration with the overall report. no real conclusions by design and it doesn't see any smoking gun that tells us the truth. your take. >> no. the overall report i think, it's about the facts what happened. but we felt it was also important to ask the why questions. why were we still in benghazi in almost every other country left. why did we stay in benghazi when the security situation was so dangerous.
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why did the administration mislead us. why did secretary clinton as your clip described why did she try to blame it publicly and mislead the american people and blame it on a video and not tell the truth which it was the terrorist attack from the get go and they knew it. >> but at the end of the day because look a lot of this is being dismissed as partisan playing that you guys want to put something on hillary clinton, you tried every way that you could and now you have an 800 page report that by design doesn't draw conclusions. do you believe hillary clinton did things wrong on purpose to set up what happened in benghazi and then to cover up what happened at benghazi. >> here's what i believe, chris. they were so invested -- libya was to be their shining foreign policy success story. they were so invested in this and so committed to this they didn't look at the facts. when gadhafi was thrown out in august of 2011 next 13 months 200 security incidents.
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an assassination attempt. one who went and came back said it's a suicide mission. that was a security posture. they were so invested in this they had to say. then 9/11, 2012 happens and there's a terrorist attack and there are 56 days before an election. so the evidence shows rather strongly that they misled the american people and said we can't tell the truth, we can't talk about how bad the security situation was, we can't talk about the fact that this was a terrorist attack. we have to mislead the american people because we're eight weeks before an election, this was supposed to be our legacy. let's say it was caused by the video. and they stuck with that message publicly even though privately they were conveying the truth to everyone and saying it was a terrorist attack. like the e-mail that secretary clinton sent to her daughter the night of the attack where she said we know terrorists killed two of our people. that's what she said privately. publicly that same tight, while
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ti recent woods is on the roof of the annex she told the american people it's because of inflammatory material on the internet. >> as you know and as we've discussed before secretary clinton says that she was getting different reports on the intelligence and that was the reflex of the different statements and nothing that -- you guys didn't give us the whole report. you only gave us 200 pages. we'll get some later. we can discuss that at another time. do you have anything to prove that she knew one thing but said something else, that it wasn't about changing intelligence? >> we have her statements because -- >> but she said statements changed because the intel changed. >> the intel did change but her statements didn't. they were consistently publicly they blamed the video and consistently privately they said it was a terrorist attack because the people in libya knew right from the start there was no protest. hicks was asked about that. if there had been a protest would ambassador stevens
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reported it. the testimony was absolutely. for there to have been a protest and for this ambassador as good as we had not to report it would have been unbelievable. no one reported it. her story didn't change even though the intelligence did. >> so that's one issue. another issue is and i know you take up several. people have to read the reports and your addendum for themselves. was about the role of the military. now, the idea that the military didn't do all it could or was held back from doing what it should have done, lieutenant general dana chipman as you know said multiple times in interviews that's not true. the military did what it was supposed to do. you don't buy that why? >> what we know no assets were put in motion before the attack was ever over. no assets got to libya until 23 hours after the attack started. they didn't get to benghazi they got to tripoli. one thing we concluded we didn't
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see the urgency, we didn't move heaven and earth to get help to people who were fighting for their lives. that's a problem. why that happened? we tried to ask those questions to get answers. the military department of defense just delivered some documents to us dwred day before our report goes out so we continue to try to get information. but what we do know is that they didn't move heaven and earth there to get people there in a timely fashion. >> we know retired army david chipman who worked for the republicans on this came to a different conclusion. people have to read the report. congressman thank you for making the case on "new day". elizabeth warren playing democratic pit bull against donald trump on the campaign trail with hillary clinton. is there a new alliance. a preview of what clinton is looking for in a running mate. that's next. , through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian.
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further left. we have known that hillary clinton needs to shore up the bernie sanders folks and elizabeth warren is the one ticket to do that. but the contents of what has come out of her mouth yesterday is material that is policy wise so far left in pulling the democratic party even further. she benefits from saying she's vetting her. this is what hillary clinton gets a strategic benefit from saying elizabeth warren and the posture and they tricks and kabuki theater could they be? >> it's a little early for kabuki theater. elizabeth warren was on fire yesterday in cincinnati. really was a very strong speech. look she delights in taking the wood to donald trump. she had great lines in favor of hillary some of the best i've seen and heard in a while. a great line about thick skin, steady hand and a good heart. she's a great advocate. the problem is hillary clinton's
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main concern right now should not be shoring up her left. that's going to happen by transit of property because she's running against donald trump. she should be nominating somebody who can help reach out to the opposition, dissatisfied republicans and voters in swing states. so that ticket doesn't seem to do that. that's a fundamental problem. >> this is why it's not a sincere effort. what it does it serves the purpose of solidifying it. >> whether it's a test or her to have that left what i'm saying when you listen to the speech doesn't it kind of just bring home what the state of play is right now? if it's good for elizabeth warren's chances to be vp, to basically call out donald trump the way it happened at my schoolyard when i was in fifth grade and we're saying that shores up her left, saying that he's a treedy little orange,
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that is what she just said. >> it doesn't matter what she says. >> the state of play. it should matter. isn't it depressing you at all as especially you such a purist of political dogma that this is what it's about? that she might be vp because she can insult donald trump really well? and that he's formidable against her because he calls her pocahontas. when he doesn't he makes a smart pivot. he's getting more professional. >> we've been defining public debate down aggressively since last year, right. >> what's the frog in that? >> but, so sure. look politics they need someone who has more than your typical degree of attack dog in the vp. >> you think you will out angry trump. there's no policy idea. there is no metaphor effect of a
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message. no reason to believe other than the fact than wow you really like to take it at donald trump. maybe you should be vp. that's the standard? >> that's not sufficient. a vp always plays attack dog. that's part of the role. so the presidential nominee can be a little bit above. this will get on people who appeal to people's sense of hope, with a sense of policy not simply anger and a void. >> do you see that? where's the hope? >> everybody knows that -- >> what's the hope? what's the hope you're selling. >> we all know what warren stands up. break up the big banks. big money guys. she took a lot of grief for her far left for showing up for hillary clinton. >> you how you deal with your supporters and people you try to win over. you make the case. just making the case that he's a bum should not be enough. >> it's not enough.
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y made mistakes. i know trust has to be earned. the house report on benghazi to become public. there doesn't seem to be a smoke gun. the report concludes hillary clinton had the intelligence to recognize how high a risk benghazi was. >> donald trump once again appearing to shift his tone. >> we have exceptions and ideally you won't have a ban very long. >> what we're seeing window on donald trump into policy. >> there's always the possibility that the hostage taker will start harming the hostages. >> new questions about the pulse nightclub's standoff. >> there were so many people choking on their own blood and bleeding out. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alison. >> welcome to "new day".
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we're joined by victor blackwell. >> good to be here. >> we have a lot of news four. it is one of donald trump's most popular proposals with supporters, it's the muslim ban. putting it in quotes because maybe it won't be called that any more. his team is preparing to walk back the ban in the proposed new era of what trump will be in the general election. >> trump now shifting who he says the ban would apply to and what will donald trump say in his speech today? we break it down with phil. >> reporter: donald trump now edging further and more explicitly away from that proposed ban on all muslims entering the united states. his advisors telling cnn they are working to tailor the proposal even as they push back on the idea it's some wholesale shift. at least in part this has been happening in fits and starts for months. take a listen to what trump said when he announced the proposal in december and then what he
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said in may. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> by the way, everybody read it, it was across the table. >> we have exceptions. ideally you won't have a ban very long. >> it's a constant push and pull. now what we're seeing in many ways as one gop adviser calls it a tale of two trumps. a candidate unwilling or unable to let go of what got him to this point. a campaign that needs to set itself up for a general election. an electorate that's different than the primary. in that we've slowly started to see really more and more of a professionalized campaign. it's the building of a real fundraising operation, campaign infrastructure and simple as it sounds travel strategy. take a look at trump's schedule
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today. a big economic speech in pennsylvania and a stop in ohio. these are two crucial swing states that trump has said he can and needs to win if he's going to win in the general election. for all of the uneaseiness and outright opposition there is in the republican party this is more or less exactly what they asked for out of the candidate. the question remains how long will donald trump stick to this strategy? >> let's try to get some answers. thanks for that. here to discuss is cnn political commentator and former trump campaign manager and christine quinn. corey, why is donald trump backing off what was seen as a major tenet of his platform. >> i think if you look at the rest of that clip he said until we can figure out what's going on. we have a problem with our immigration process. what we have, we have people coming in to the country that
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haven't been vetted properly. what he's saying it's time to impleaments immigration policy that puts america first. what we should do is not ban people based on religion but ban people based on countries they are coming from. before we let them in the country we do a thorough background check. the san bernardino killer was vetted twice by the state department and they couldn't look at her social media activity. unfortunately legally she came here but insproeptly. >> we figured that out. we solved that problem since the time did he have a ban on an entire religion the muslim ban that's now been resolved. >> what he's saying it's more important not to look what a person's religion is but where are they coming from. people coming from countries with known terrorist activities. it's a reaction. you have to understand when you have a massive terrorist attack like in san bernardino committed by a jihadist who has gone and
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said death to americans based on their religion it's time to make sure our immigration policy is in line so americans are first and not somebody else. >> i think the key word in what corey just said is it was a reaction. that's what we've seen with donald trump throughout most of this campaign. not plans, policies, not a steady hand of leadership after a terrorist attack, but quick, knee jerk reaction. and really to all those trump folks out there who voted for trump in the primary, you thought you were getting this authentic guy. you thought you were getting this guy who wasn't like other politicians. but here he is, going in and meeting with paul ryan. going in and meeting with mitch mcconnell as his support said on this channel last night and then flip flopping his position because at the end of the day donald trump is about donald trump and this is about winning. but not -- >> he's not exactly like other politicians. you can't paint him with the
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same brush as other politicians. what donald trump does and this is what corey is talking about he gives voice to the anger that his supporters are feeling. it's like the brexit vote. they want to be heard and figure out the details later. >> that's not being a leader. that's not what we need in the president of the united states. it's absurd to say between the announcement of a muslim ban, which is completely racist and unamerican, donald trump as a candidate figured out what many, many people, military leaders, diplomats, immigration experts have been trying to figure out for years. it's absurd. what we're not going to hear in the speech today is the details of how he figured it out, what it is and let's also be clear here. we're all talking about this ban on people based on the country they are from. as a lighter softer proposal. i'm not convinced it is. it is equally unamerican to say you can't come here because
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you're from pakistan. >> you have to remember a reaction is something that puts our country back into a safe mode. when our country is attacked as it was in san bernardino, or it was in orlando, florida. there has to be something that allows information go back and feel safe and what he said on december 7th was we're going to ban people from coming to this country so they can no longer kill americans. what he talked -- >> a total and complete muslim ban including innocent muslims of which there are millions and millions. >> there's 1.7 billion but 1% is radicalized, 17 million people that to come to america and kill americans. that's 1% of people that are muslims that are radicalized. what we need to do first and foremost job of our government and job of the president is to keep the u.s. citizen safe. if that means building a wall in mexico to make sure illegals don't come in and kill more people that's our job. >> what you're saying, what you
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said is after a crisis america needs a reaction. >> wait, nobody interrupted you. two you said it's a reaction that quick reaction bring people together. what you're saying in essence is what he did. he put out a policy that is unamerican racist that he didn't have the details on. and now he's having to walk it back. america doesn't need quick knee jerk reactions in time of crisis. they need leadership that unites us, not pointing fingers at people because of their religion, a country that was in part based on coming here to find religious freedom because that's not leadership. >> it's impossible to give people a religion test coming in. >> what you have a major crisis in our country, our leaders need to react because if they don't our citizens don't feel safe. we saw that after 9/11. george bush stood up at the world trade center and said we
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will remember this and we will -- >> you're talking about an emotional gut reaction. >> we're going make it right. that's what leadership is. whether it's a tragedy in west virginia, when it's flooding people want to be safe and secure they want the government to know they will take care of them. >> inside the campaign when there's a change like this a shift how does that work? does mr. trump say guys i think i might have gone too far or does somebody say to him you should walk this back? >> what happens in every campaign there's multiple discussion about policy points before they are laid out, discussion before today's speech is laid out has been thought out and vetted, discussion last week before he spoke about hillary clinton. that's done internally. >> before he said a complete and thorough muslim ban you had discussed that with him. >> many people had. >> and now on the campaign many people are in a meeting saying okay let's not do that. >> when that ban took place many
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people on the left and right don't think that ban went far enough. they wanted a complete ban of any immigration for a period of time for understanding until our immigration policy could be worked out. that wasn't mr. trump's position but many people who said we don't think he went far enough on this. >> it's group effort when something like this shifts you all get-together and it's a group effort. >> that's curious because i think last week or the week before we heard mr. trump say when he was asked about getting more advisors what do i need advisors for? why do i need to talk to people who are experts. he refuted what corey said he said he didn't need more people. so it's hard to take those statements by the candidate and reconcile them with what corey is saying. i'm not saying corey isn't telling truth but they don't match. >> foreign policy team is a symbol chaired by senator jeff session and best military
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advisors in the country have given him -- >> who are they. >> there's a dozen names listed on website. former admirals, former generals. think tank members. and those are the type of people that he sits down and has a conversation with. where is the direction our country needs go to make sure the military has that the country has all the resources necessary. there's no person running for the presidency whether hillary clinton or donald trump that has the answer over tory question. you surround yourself with good people. donald trump has done that very well. listen to the advocacy. what donald trump does is make a decision. >> what's real? what donald trump says when he says he doesn't need more advisors or experts or the actual structure? i think that's a critical issue for americans. what is real. what is true about donald trump beyond the fact that it's all about -- >> that is the problem because when he says -- hold on. i want to make this point.
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when he says a total or complete muslim ban should the american people say i take him at his word or this will shift, this will evolve this, is just a reaction. >> what you see now through his transition team he's putting more advisors together because the basics of building a federal government is very difficult. finding those great surrogates, those great advisors. the difference between donald trump and hillary clinton is. donald trump isn't looking to say here are all the people who are advising me and you have to listen to him. he wants to be the voice. >> when he has his first reaction that shouldn't be taken seriously? >> the notion of a muslim ban was discussed in its entirety on multiple occasions before it was ever announced to the public and released on december 7th from a battleship in south carolina. this wasn't a knee jerk reaction, this was something very well thought out. something that was planned and outlined and executed properly. >> it's substance of policy that
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will keep america safe. announcement pr spin. it was one of the most racist policies we have heard recently in america and by all accounts was not thought out, and was not vetted. >> hold on. let me talk about what it shifted to now. here's what donald trump said this weekend. people coming from the terror states and you know who i'm talking about when i talk about the terror states, we're going to be vigilante so you wouldn't believe it and frankly a lot will be banned. >> who makes the decision what is a terror state. >> there's eight states currently listed on terror watch list. it's been clearly established through this administration. whether it's pakistan -- >> they have been vetted. >> they are not vetted that's problem. you have syrian refugees coming in. hillary clinton's immigration policy is bring in 550% increase in immigrants.
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when syrian refugees come in to our country if federal government takes those individuals and disperse them across our country. doesn't even give the courtesy to governors to tell them who they are. we don't know anything about these people. no back ground checks. no information. they get into our country. they lose these individuals. >> this is the fear that people have. >> what you just stated about secretary hillary clinton's plan has been refuted repeatedly by independent fact checkers. two, you cannot blame terrorism in the world on syrian refugees. many of them people who are fleeing for greater safety. >> wait. when donald trump a week ago stood or this week in scotland, he also said we need an immigration system where we all get to decide who is appropriate
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to come in to our country. i don't want and i don't think america want as man who at one time thought a ban on all muslims is an appropriate way to decide who comes in and who doesn't. he's a man who is willing to say you, muslim, get out of here. i don't want him deciding whether people are or are not appropriate. >> your last word. >> if we allow one terrorist in the country because we didn't vet them properly and they kill one american that's a failure of our government and one failure we can't afford. so if we want to take a step back and make sure syrian refugees coming here are properly vetted and then they come here and we tell the governors in the states where they are going to be, who they are and what their background is then that's the right step. but by not doing that -- >> 18 months currently right now and the last two terror attacks we've seen from american citizens who were radicalized here. >> the woman came here on a visa
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and her husband was american. she radicalized him. his father was born in afghanistan. he had tendencies where he thought he was president of afghanistan. he knew what was his son was doing. they should have been stopped. he was born in the united states. >> makes him an american. >> his father wasn't. his father taught him these ways and then perpetrated the worst american attack. if we didn't do a good job bringing his parents in and making sure -- >> they would have passed. >> maybe they would. maybe they wouldn't opinion our immigration system is so broken we don't know who is coming in. >> last word. >> we won't see in his speech today all the details that go into the policies corey is talking. >> we'll see what happens. thanks for the debate. let's get over to victor. breaking this morning, what will be at the center for the race of the white house, house republicans preparing to release their long awaited report on the benghazi attack.
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cnn exclusively obtaining a portion of the report that says intelligence suggested an attack was possible and then secretary of state hillary clinton should have realized the risk. dana bash live in washington with the details. you have about 200 pages of this report. what's in it? >> reporter: the report in total that we'll see later today is 802 pages but we did review 200 plus pages and it weaves a narrative of the benghazi as an outpost, a no man's land. it made it hard to get funding and security especially as it became more and more dangerous leading up to the deadly attack september of 2012. what we've seen does not show a smoking gun when it comes to hillary clinton's culpability. but said the formering secretary of state had intelligence to realize how high-risk benghazi was for her personnel. here's more information we see that's new in here. ambassador stevens wanted to make the benghazi outpost a
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permanent u.s. consulate and he learned that funding would be available to make that happen but he had to secure it by the end of the fiscal year which was september 30th, which may have been why he was there at such a dangerous time. now new emails indicate secretary clinton was planning to travel to libya in october of 2012. it would have been one month after that deadly attack. so time was of the essence because a permanent consulate according to emails and interviews was described as a deliverable for her. now one other thing nbc news is reporting based on what they have gotten that a newly revealed two hour video conference the night of the attack led by white house chief of staff and attended by hillary clinton went on and officials apparently discussed the diplomaticsensitivities what uniforms they should wear.
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they changed in and out of their uniforms four times. >> we'll look for those details. i want to get to this tweet coming out from the clinton campaign already reacting to the report this is from the campaign press secretary. far from honoring the four brave americans that died the benghazi committee has been a partisan sham since its start. democrats released their own minority report yesterday. that accused republicans of political witch-hunt of hillary clinton. you have this excerpt, 200 pages. does it took that way to you? >> reporter: in this part, no. trey gowdy who is the chairman of the committee will insist he draws no conclusions through all 800 pages. that the purpose was just to allow a narrative to be out there in the public based on events, based on interviews and so forth and to try to provide an accounting of what happened. however, two republicans on the committee don't think that's
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sufficient. they wrote their own 42 page report where they do draw conclusion, political ones saying that the secretary and the broader administration tried to sweep under the rug that this was a terror attack because it was politics right before the 2012 presidential election. >> dana, what you mentioned in there that one question how does it get better for the next situation? that's an open question. we'll pursue that. dana, thank you very much. we'll take a quick break. when we come back we'll get into this backlash that's growing over brexit. millions signed a petition to vote again. looks like that won't happen again. what can happen now and what are our presidential candidates saying about this controversy. next. wanna drink more water? with sodastream® you turn plain water into sparkling water in seconds. and because it's so delicious, you'll drink 43% more water every day. sodastream®. love your water. perfect driving record.
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i had level talks in brussels today as british prime minister david cameron meets with members of the european union for the first time since the historic brexit vote. cnn international diplomat editor nic robertson is live in brussels with the latest. tense meeting ahead. some lines have already been
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drawn. >> reporter: they have indeed, victor. the first meeting with the european commission president, a man who david cameron actually tried to block from getting that position just a year or so ago that meeting has already begun. it began with a hand shake. good omen. more meetings lined up. the day will end with david cameron having dinner 27 other european leaders. he'll sman what happened in britain and what he thinks it means for europe when british people want to exit, the reasons they want to exit, immigration, all those types of issues. what he will hear back from those european leaders you can't get into pre-treanegotiations a don't think you can get into our markets without taking people across the border. >> there's so many different
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layers. let's teal with this discussion about the reaction the reaction. that's what brexit was. now you have this petition for a second referendum. close to 4 million signatures. just a fraction of the overall vote outcome. it doesn't seem like it will happen. but you have president obama now coming out with his first comments on what it means that the uk is going to leave the eu. take a listen. >> i think that the best way to think about this is a pause button has been pressed on the project of full european integration. i would not overstate it. there's been a little bit of hysteria post-brexit vote as if somehow nato is gone, the transatlantic alliance is dissolving, and every country is rushing off to its own quarter. that's not what's happening.
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>> all right. let's discuss what is happening then and what will happen and what it means back here in this election. "new york times" political correspondent patrick hughy and ally velshi. president had to weigh in. president said things before about not wanting it to happen. mixed result on that. how much of this is about the calculation what it means internationally and then what does it mean as a reflex of the body politic here? >> president obama represents certainly american government on foreign policy, economic policy but he's also kind of a full time surrogate for hillary clinton right now and the extent to which he's reinforcing her message as donald trump is going to pennsylvania today and he's going to be talking all about brexit. these are voters who may not understand the nuances and details of brexit but they know that trade has frustrated them, global markets aren't delivering
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for them. president obama, he gets up there, he makes these statements. he's as much i think trying to push counter message against donald trump as he is -- it's nothing he can do about brexit. nothing key do to encourage a revote. >> let's talk about what will happen next. there's a lot of confusion how brexit will unfold particularly given there's this buyer's remorse. there seems to be in britain. because two of the pillars they were promised for leaving the eu might not happen in terms of less immigration, and less money given to the eu. >> yeah. the ad was that they give 350 million pounds a week to the eu and that would be spent on the national health service which is a source of pride for people in the united kingdom. it's not 350 million a lot less than that because there's some money -- >> there's a set off. >> a that's not going to happen.
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b, the leave campaign says we can't direct to it the national health service anyway. that's a good message for people to remember campaign promises have to be checked out. given how much we talk about immigration in this country, many people still don't know the nuances how immigration in the united states works. who gets in. who doesn't. why. the numbers. nobody understands trade. eu is fundamentally a trade relationship which is the most boring thing for people in the world to understand. voter won't understand it. they won't understand it here. there's one take away. whether in the united kingdom or united states, if you're a wealthy industrialized country that enters into trade negotiations with countries that are not as rich as you are, generally speaking you're manufacturing workers and your working class people will suffer and it's something they've never been able to square when selling these trade deals which is so many trade unionists and hard core democrats don't want deals. >> they suffer. the fear is that when voters
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let's say in america are given the chance to sort of express those feelings on election day, they are going to do what voters in england are having misgivings and second thoughts they will vote their feelings. a lot will say donald trump is talking about this. then the next day wednesday the day after election day are people going to be sitting up oh, now we want a do over. >> there's one fundamental difference dynamically. a strong analogy principle here certainly the promise without a plan concern. which is a big part of the negative fallout of brexit. they have these new leaders who are not established with their own teams. >> david cameron. >> he's on the way out. we have a lot of systemic problems. there's a fundamental difference. that vote there was a lot of white men. that is not going to be same kind of vote here. you'll have people included in the proshowers that is the target of the process there. how can that change the dynamic?
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>> our key electoral college states will look like london which was very much the main vote than it's going to be looking like in the provinces of northern england. you'll have in ohio and pennsylvania and michigan, florida where this will come down to, an incredibly different, you know, demographic in terms of what the electorate will look like. also hillary clinton will have four months, she will have three very widely watched dabts where she's going to try to pin donald trump down on this so she can say to voters she hopes don't vote with your feelings. don't see this election as just a relief valve. >> remember the one audience that donald trump talks to very effectively is the 55-year-old white man who is 40 years old 15 years ago, when he was 40 to adjust for inflation he's not better off. no movement for him. no one is calling for him to use
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whatever bathroom he wants. there's no middle age white guys lives movement. there's nothing for him. donald trump still speaks to him. so don't vote for your feelings but a whole bunch of people whose feelings have been activated. >> hillary clinton's motto is stronger together. david cameron's was stronger. they are appealing to this idea that no matter how you feel, see the long -- see the big picture. see the long game, very hard sell. >> i feel i should consume fewer calories but i never do. >> good analogy. thank you guys. thanks so much for being here. let's get over to victor. >> i'm in the same boat. red meat that some republicans have been savoring here's. the committee on benghazi released its report today. question how will team trump respond. a former adviser to trump joins us next.
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campaigns are often about reactions to big events. you had the brexit and now the benghazi report that came out. you have the gop, the democratic response and side reports written by gop reps. let's talk about the implication with former trump campaign adviser. the goal as we were just saying before we started this segment was people died in benghazi. let's find out why. let's hold people accountable if need be. let's figure out how to do it better the next time. do you believe that was achieved by all of these committees and hearings and hours and money? >> i think just from the 200 pages that cnn already has we know that a lot has been determined by this committee. we'll see another 600 plus pages of that and i think we got a lot of information that wasn't out there before.
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a lot of people were interviewed who hadn't been interviewed especially hillary clinton who spent a great deal of hours in front of the committee being forthright. a lot came out of this report. we'll find out more. this will become an issue again through the presidential election. >> an issue, why and how? what do you think matters and should be discussed about this? >> i think the dishonesty that came about when the attack happened incredible being blamed on a video and clinton and obama -- >> you don't think it was different intel, you think it was changing narratives for political purposes. >> absolutely. i think the report will point to that. everyone now knows that hillary clinton knew it was absolutely an act of terrorism immediately thereafter yet she still talked about it acvideo. even told the parents of those who were killed it was about a video. that will not sit well with the american people. >> we'll have that issue that looms. we'll have to see what comes out of the reports and how it plays.
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now you have another looming issue, the muslim ban. there's no question that this worked well for you guys early on but you were pitching to a very narrow slice even within your own party. now we see the broader trump wants to go the more he seems to modify this position. can he do that without getting caught? >> i think so. we're talking about a presidential candidate that's never been involved in politics before so he done have 20 years of being steeped deeply in foreign policy. or immigration policy for that matter. i think that the initial statement after the attack in california was one that reflected a lot of americans opinions on things. but as we've come to know more about the situation, as donald trump has learned more about how things are going forward and how syrian refugees, for example, are really not vetted because they don't have any documents, we're seeing more and more issues that point to fact that this is more about sharia than about being muslim. >> a few things. the way you explain the answer kind of defines what the issue
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is. first he said muslim ban long time before orlando. he's been modifying as he tries appeal to broader bases where people don't want to dismiss an entire religion as evil. he's changing. the idea of let's still be afraid about how we vet. you know, michael, nobody vetted the way refugees is in our system. it is perfect? nothing is perfect anywhere man touches. we both know that. the idea that syrians can't be vetted they don't have documents, you know that's not true. they have lots of documents. do they have full dossiers? nobody does. nobody is vetted more than refugees coming in to this country. >> that speaks more about how poorly others are vetted. >> if you want to scare me, scare me with the scary stuff. don't make somebody scary. >> listen to the head of the cia who says we don't know who many are. >> head of fbi talked about it. i can't vet all of these people
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coming in. you have to shut down the entire system. that's a little bit in the weed. what i'm saying this evolution, i don't think that's the right word. evolving means you're growing and changing. this is all about, this is not going to work for us. can't say all muslims are bad. too many people in this country who don't agree with that. america is about its diversity and strength. we can't dismiss people who are part of the stew here. why done he just own it and say i was wrong. >> any presidential candidate is a reflex of theed -- a reflecti of the advisors they have around him. there's a different set of advisors around donald trump. i think this is reflective of what donald trump is saying publicly. an event as well, as we come closer to the election we see the recent terror attack in orlando. these things are being refined
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more and more for mr. trump and more and more senior advisors coming around him where the subtleties of these policies are coming to light and you'll see a more coherent policy. >> whether it's clinton or trump you won't hire or elect their advisors. you're electing them and their core. >> absolutely right. >> you don't come out of the box and say i feel a certain way about muslims. it's either a core belief or other. pocahontas with warren. that played well with haters. >> what do you mean >> people he was saying that who would stand up and applaud. i don't think it's fair to became the whole party. you guys were pitching messages to select aspects of that party. i'm married into a republican family. but when you say warren is pocahontas there's only -- you say that around me you'll have a problem. i shown insult people like that.
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elizabeth warren. >> you know she claimed to be native american. >> if you made references about the godfather to me how do you think the conversation will go. not very well. >> she's not of indian heritage at all. >> she says she is. >> there's no proof of that. >> even if she believes she is -- first of all -- >> she self-identifies. >> she doesn't self-identify. now you have scott brown saying she should have a dna test. that's for people who decide -- >> he said that as an aside. >> it was a long thing. he obviously thought about it. we both know that. that's okay. that's the state of play. however trump is not calling her pocahontas now. he's going after her the same way about here lineage. is that a sign he's learning i can't insult my way out of a situation too many americans won't allow that. >> there's a lot of ways to question elizabeth warren's credibility. yes.
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certainly that's one of them. like i said more and more advisors are coming around donald trump who see clearer what's acceptable into the general election. i'm sure you'll hear pocahontas again. no question in my mind you well. it does resonate her back of credibility in one word and that's something that works with the electorate. worked with some better than others. you'll see more and more questions about her credibility as she comes out punching at donald trump. >> i appreciate you making the case as always. it's tough to imagine what it was like to spend hours holed up inside one of the bathrooms at the gay nightclub in orlando, pulse nightclub as a terrorist killed dozens. up next we speak with a survivor who lived through that horror and talk to him about police efforts to rescue hostages.
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this morning we are learning new horrifying details about the terror attack inside that gay nightclub in orlando. this new information raises troubling questions about why the attack lasted more than three hours. joining us now is wall street journal reporter laura stevens who has justwritten a comprehensive piece on what happened minute by minute and a survivor who hid in a bathroom. theep have you both here. laura, i want to start with you. three hours and six minutesed passed between the time the police arrived and first entered the pulse nightclub and the time that the gunman was killed. what was happening during that time? >> right. well so as we know the police
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arrived at about 2:08. at that point they entered the building. you know they said they exchanged gunfire with the suspect and at some point he ended up back in the bathrooms. between 2:08 and 2:18 police were in the building and didn't have him stopped until 2:18. people were in the bathrooms they were shot again. >> miguel, you were one of the people in the bathroom while this was all happening. can you tell us what those three hours were like? >> it was agonizing. just one of them was just people every where, just so crowded and hot, and we were just trying to stay calm. and trying not to make any noise so he wouldn't come back in there. >> and miguel, he was, i know
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you've seen unimaginable, unthinkable things for the rest of us because the gunman did shoot people near you and next to you during that time. did you know that police were there on the premises while that was happening? >> no. we didn't know -- we knew they were outside we didn't know they were inside the club. initially we didn't want to come out of the bathroom because we didn't know if he had any police radios or police scanners that maybe trying to fool us to go back out so we just all stayed in the bathroom. >> what was he telling you while this was happening? he didn't say anything. he would just come in to the bathroom and laugh and then start shooting. and then we could hear him laughing walking around the club shooting. >> miguel, the police have basically said at 2:18 they had him cornered in one of the
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bathrooms. there was a women's bathroom and men's bathroom and people were hiding in both. by also in the bathrooms trapped there with him who had become hostages. you were one of those people. what do you think would have happened if the police had rushed in to one of those bathrooms? >> i believe more people would have died. in the position he was at and the way he was positioned waiting for police to enter the building, more people would have died, including police. >> and laura, that's what police have told you as well. how did they justify the fact that they didn't rush in to the bathrooms for those three hours? >> this was a very difficult decision. what they've said is that they were able to rescue dozens and dozens of people from the club
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during that time period. so they were able to go into the main dance floor, pull people out who were still alive. take their time to make sure they got everybody out they could before they ended up at about 5:02 blowing through the back walls of the building pulling out survives and engaging the shooter. he shot three more times before they engaged with him and they called out at 5:15 that he was down. >> i could only imagine what it was like for you to be there in the bathroom while he was shooting, while he was laughing. what were you doing? how were you keeping yourself sane while watching all of this around you? >> like i said before, i didn't feel any fear. i didn't feel any -- it was just all slow motion and just watching everything around me. it was just all very slow.
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and i was just trying to gather it all and consume it and try to figure out how are we going to get out of here, how can we get in contact with authorities to let them know that we're in here. because we can hear the police pulling people out, but we could not speak to them nor tell them we're in here, we're in here, because we didn't know if the shooter was going to come back in for a fourth time. he had already come in twice when we heard police. so it was kind of hard. you know help is literally around the corner but you can't yell or anything because he was right there in the hallway. anybody who would come out that hallway would be meeting with him right in that hallway and he would just do whatever he
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wanted. >> miguel, we're so sorry that you endured this and everything that you had to see. we really appreciate you sharing your thoughts that the police did the right thing and couldn't have done anything differently that night in terms of getting into those bathrooms sooner. miguel and laura, thank you very much. the piece is in the "wall street journal." i recommend that everybody read it about what happened there that night. >> good reminder that for the rest of us life goes on, but for people who were there and their loved ones, that night was just a beginning of the journey of their healing. another sorry thtory that f into that category was what happened in flint, michigan. that is something that is still affecting people. one of the questions that need to be answers is how many other flints are there in this country? a cnn exclusive on the safety of the water that you do not want to miss, next.
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question for you, do you know what is in your drinking water? you may be surprised to find that we found that millions of americans are drinking water from systems violating rules. and this is no secret to the government. cnn's sarah ganim joins us now with her exclusive report that i'm sure will shock some people. >> flint, michigan, and that water crisis really opened our eyes to this invisible problem,
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underneath our homes are lead pipes carrying our drinking water. many believe the federal government was making sure it was safe. and what we found is that they're not. more than 18 million americans are getting their drinking water from systems that have violated federal lead rules. not only does the epa know about it, they've done almost nothing to enforce their own regulations, according to multiple industry experts. >> i think the public needs to be told the truth about contamination in their water supply. >> more than 5,000 water systems are in violation, including failure to test water, failure to report contamination and failure to treat water properly according to a new analysis by the nrdc. in nine out of ten cases, the
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epa took no enforcement action when water sources violated the lead and copper rule. >> imagine a cop sitting, watching people run stop signs and speed at 90 miles an hour through small communities and doing absolutely nothing about it. that's unfortunately what we have now. >> eric olsen is among the experts saying water utilities are routinely gaming the system, using incorrect testing methods to avoid detecting high levels of lead. what that means is there are even more water systems with lead issues that aren't officially in violation. >> they don't care if they're violating the law. >> philadelphia is one city accused of gaming the system. in 2014 city officials sent residents questionable instructions for testing, telling them to preflush their
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water and remove aouve aerators. the epa instructed as far back as 2007 that they should not remove or clean aerators. jonathan king's 18 month old daughter has been drinking philadelphia's water from the tap since she was born. he's organizing a group of homeowners to get independent answers because he doesn't trust the way the city conducted its testing. >> it concerns me they're not using the best practices available. they're not following the latest epa regulations. >> why doesn't the epa enforce its own rules? it comes down to two key reasons. water isn't a main priority for the epa because its resources are stretched thin and the epa has a cozy relationship with the water systems it's supposed to regulate. >> they're friends. they hang out with each other.
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they ask for each other's advice and you get close after a while. >> should citizens be worried? >> citizens should be very concerned. >> when alan retired last year from his job as an epa water department enforcement officer, he said he was frustrated because blatant violations would go without punishment. even epa employees don't trust what comes out of their tap. >> most of my colleagues have all chosen to install a water filter. >> you're saying that people who work at the epa are buying water filters because they aren't confident in the quality of their tap water? >> yes. >> one of the most shocking things we learned is that even the most notorious, egregious cases like the one in flint, michigan, not listed by the epa as having violated the federal regulation. i just have to say the epa did respond to this report late last night. they said they're working closely with states which are
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the first line of over sight in drinking water systems. also they say it's important to note that many of these water systems are working with the epa to come back into compliance. >> and the epa employees are buying the filters. fascinating. we're following a lot of news. let's get to it. >> donald trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. >> you said countries will be blocked -- >> he's saying it's time to implement an immigration policy that puts america first. ♪ >> i've made mistakes. i don't know anyone who hasn't. >> house republicans will release their long-awaited report on the benghazi terror attack. it is kind of mind numbing to wrap their heads around the
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mess. >> the process of implementing the decision must now begin. >> nothing in the u.k. will change until it invokes article 50. >> prime minister david cameron face to face with eu leaders. >> this is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> still so much to talk about with brexit. it is tuesday, june 28th, 8:00 in the east. first, donald trump shifting on one of his most controversial proposals, that muslim travel ban. trump now says the ban should be based on geography, not religion. >> proposed in the wake of several terror attacks, how is team trump defending the change, which they seem to say aren't really changes at all? fill m >> we've seen this start to happen over the course of the last couple of months, donald trump edging further and further away from that proposed ban on muslims.
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his advisors telling cnn they're working to tailor that proposal on the idea that it's a wholesale shift. at least in part this has been happening in fits and starts for months. take a listen to trump when he first announced the proposal in d december and what he said in may. >> donald trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown on muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> the way everybody read it, it was across the table -- >> you have exceptions. ideally you won't have a ban very long. >> a constant push and pull. and now what we're seeing is in many ways as one gop adviser told me, a tale of two trumps, a candidate who is unwilling or unable to let go of what got him so successfully to this point, a campaign that sees itself looking towards the general el
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building of a real fund-raising operation, of infrastructure and a travel strategy. take a look at trump's schedule today. a big economic speech in pennsylvania. a stop in ohio. two crucial swing states. trump has said he can and needs to win. for all of the uneasiness and out right opposition out there, this is more or less exactly what republicans have been asking out of their candidate over the last couple of weeks. the question remains, how long will he stick to it? >> for the first time since the historic brexit vote, british prime minister david cameron is in brussels meeting with european leaders. nick robertson is live in brussels. >> reporter: good morning. david cameron's just out of his first meeting with the european commission president. he's now going into a meeting
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with the european council president. in between these meetings he did say a few words to reporters, said he'll be here to tell them britain is leaving but he wants to do it in a constructive way. he will get a chance to talk to all the european leaders over dinner tonight. he will layout why britain had a referendum, why he thinks the outcome came the way that it did, that he was disappointed in it. he will be trying to lay and set out a language here that tells european leaders they may have similar issues in their countries. the european leaders will be telling him very clearly we want you to get on quickly with the negotiations. we want the markets to settle down, the political uncertainty to go away. don't think you can negotiate a new deal where you get access to all this free trade area in the european union without taking in european union workers in
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britain. they have some very clear lines for him. >> joining us now former british prime minister tony blair. good to have you with us. give us your general assessment. did you see this coming? do you think that it's going to come out the way that benefits the people of the united kingdom? >> i think whatever happens, first thing to say is britain is strong country. it's a resi-- europe's incredib important for britain. half of our e poxports go into european market. it's going to be a long process of negotiation. i would caution thinking in very precise terms until we see how that negotiation pans out. because before last thursday you would claim and counter-claim. now you're going to see reality.
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this is quite a realtime, real life experiment in what has been a very populist type of politics. >> there seems to be a buyer's remor remorse. this is a non-binding referendum. does this have to happen? >> even if it's constitutionally non-binding, it does have to happen. on the other hand, as i say, right now people don't know what's on offer. they know what they've got now. what they don't know is what they're going to be offered as the new relationship. because for example, britain's a financial center, we need to be able to move across the boundaries with europe in order to trade our goods, our services. we're going to have to have a new relationship with europe. i think what will happen in these next months is that people
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will see what that really means. >> if they don't like it, do they have to do it? can't they just have another referendum and change this? >> some people are suggesting that. i think it's very difficult to see how you do that. on the other hand, we're masters of our own destiny. we can do what we want to do in the end. but i think the onld wy way tha would happen is if it became very very clear that there was a substantial change of mind amongst people had voted to leave. the vote was close, it was 52-48. it's not like 70-30. >> the headline coming out of london is there will be a new prime minister september 2nd instead of october. the article 50, which begins the withdrawal, has not yet been invoked. do you agree with the timeline we're seeing at least for the new prime minister coming in this september but still no implication of the article 50?
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>> i personally think it's sensible to take this steady. there's no reason not to. there's too much at stake. this is probably the most momentous decision britain has taken since the second world war. why rush it? >> with no informal talks, there still is that uncertainty. >> that's true. you've got to kind of calibrate between -- you could have certainty but it might be a bad certainty. and you could have some uncertainty but in order to get to a better result. i would just caution on believing this thing is going to be settled very fast. it's true some of our european partners will want to say, okay, we need to get in over and sorted. but it's complicated. we've had four decades of commercial, trading, business, political security relationships built up inside europe. i can't tell where we're going to be in the next few months.
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but i can say i think there will be a lot more real evidence as to what all this means. >> what's your take on the echo effect of brexit on the american election? a big issue for you guys was immigration. now, i know that there is a big suggestion that it was falsely presented by the brexit side, that many in the u.k. didn't understand just how much control over immigration the u.k. already had. but it's playing here as well and we're seeing it play out with the muslim ban that trump had started with initially and now seems to be moving off of. what are your observations and words of caution? >> my observation is what's going on in your politics is exactly the same as what's going on in our politics, in other words insurgent movements of populism left and right. you could go to anywhere in europe right now and have exactly the same situation. and these populist movements
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become very powerful because they can take an issue, particularly an issue like immigration -- let's go back in history. this has always been an issue. you can ride in a very strong way. globalization is changing the world around them. they feel their community is changing. they think they've lost something and they think they will gain something if you manage to keep out immigration. now, i mean, i happen to believe that the reality is what's going on in the world is the product of many many forces not just from government. it's the way the world is today. it's coming closer together. migration, travel. those people who are in the center ground and seem like kind of the establishment today have got to reflect very carefully. one, they've got to treat these concerns as real and not just dismiss them. and two, if they want to displace the anger, they've got to have some answers.
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>> if britain could have done something differently to avoid being where it is today -- i know you weren't in favor of brexit. should immigration have been slowed down? there was a big tide of immigrants coming in and people felt it was all happening too quickly. >> i think what might have been done differently is strangely from europe. when you join the european market you have free movement of people just as you have free movement of people between states in the united states. so we have free movement of people between france and the u.k. and eastern europe. yes, people felt there were too many people coming. i happen to think these guys make a great contribution to our economy. actually they pay far more in taxes than they receive in benefits. but you have to accept this was a real concern. i think we could have met that concern in europe by giving ourselves getter powers in situations where you have a big surge of numbers to try and
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avoid that situation. i think there are -- there may even be measures that we can think about doing now that take some of the heat out of that pressure for leaving europe all together. >> the work that you've done has studied the connection to radicalism, to terror. and we've seen over the last 24 hours a shift from the trump campaign in this muslim ban to a ban to specific countries, the list of countries has not come out, the characteristics have not come out. should religion be a part of the way that countries look at terror? >> well, not sort of per se, but obviously, you know, one of the problems with immigration today is within that immigration space there is a security anxiety. so in europe for example today, you wacan't really talk about syrian refugees unless you're talking about the anxieties that people have. yes, the vast majority of proper
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refugees, but you may have some terrorists and you may have a security problem enclosed in that. you have to separate those two things out. and the only thing is whatever policy you come out with has got to be a policy that doesn't alienate that large part of islam that we need on side to defeat this. i spend a large amount of time in the middle east. i see this terrorism, where it's come from, where it's going and s so on. if we want to defeat it, we need to be very clear. those people who are a security threat, we need to deal with. but don't do it in a way that alienates the decent law-abiding -- >> what do you say to people who aren't buying that? they look at islam and the growing belief, i would suggest, that islam is inherently radical, that those who ascribe to the faith, if they really
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live it, they live it the way the terrorists do and that the people, you and president obama and many leaders in this country are saying, don't throw all of these one plus billion people in with this small fraction of terrorists, that the ideology is inherently corruptive. >> i spent a long time studying this. my foundation tracks these terrorist instances and analyzes them day by day across the world. what is absolutely true is that there is a perversion of the faith of islam, an ideology based on it that has grown up in the last five, six, seven decades. and you can track it very ca caricalcar carefully. it isn't true islam. you've got to be careful because otherwise you end up stigmatizing an entire religion. extremism is the threat that we face, but its principle vict --
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principal victims are actually muslims. this is where you need to be careful. i think you need to call it what it is, by the way. you've just got to be honest about it. >> which is? >> it is a problem within islam, but it's not a problem that should be used to denigrate the entire faith. that's the distinction that you need. the only way you're going to defeat it is being allianceuild. all over the world today there are people fighting back. we need to be on side with them. they are our allies. they are the open-minded tolerant people who actually want a better future for themselves. >> wonderful to get your expertise. thank you so much for being here. we are following breaking news this morning. house republicans releasing
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their long-awaited report on the benghazi attack. intelligence showed an attack was possible and then secretary of state hillary clinton should have realized those risks. dana bash is live in washington with details. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we're waiting. any moment now we should see the 800-plus page report show up online and in our inboxes. until then we do have a portion of it that we've been given exclusively, talking about the events leading up to the deadly attack on september 11th, 2012. it really does weave a narrative of a bureaucratic morass. one interesting new nugget from what we got was that secretary clinton had planned a potential
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trip to libya in october of 2012. so would have been a month after these deadly attacks. and that part of the discussion of having chris stevens, the ambassador who was killed, go to benghazi, despite how dangerous it was, was to prepare to give a, quote, unquote, deliverable to hillary clinton when she got there. all of this is happening on the republican side. this is a bipartisan committee, but the democrats say they were shut out of the process of writing this report. i just got an e-mail from a spokeswoman on the democratic side saying they only got the report within the last 15 minutes even though reporters were given sections of it earlier. they're pushing back on the idea that this is truly what the republican chairman is going to say in about an hour or so, that
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he believes this is a comprehensive narrative. democrats say that's just not true. ironically the chairman is caught in the middle here because he also had people on the right, two republican congressmen, who think he didn't go far enough. they issued their on report talking about the fact that they believe that the blame lies with hillary clinton, with the administration from their perspective putting the politics ahead of explaining to the american people what exactly happened. >> and that is the simple task that has gotten very very complex and drawn out. of course we've been talking this morning about this sad news out of tennessee. legendary basketball coach pat summit is gone according to a statement from her son. her health was deteriorating.
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summit led the lady volunteers to 38 titles as head coach. she is the winningest coach in basketball history. summit announced her diagnosis of early onset alzheimer's very bravely in 2011. she succumbed to it at just 64 years old. >> it's great to see that video of her in her hayday. >> generations and for her to bring alzheimer's into the open the way she did, very brave. hillary clinton acknowledging there is one issue where she has a lot of work to do with voters, trust. what's her plan? we'll talk about that with someone rumored to be on her short list for vice president. you know we said we'd take a look
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libya was supposed to be their shining foreign policy success story. they were so invested in this they had to stay. then 9/11/2012 happens and there's a terrorist attack and they're 56 days before an election. >> that was congressman jim jordan, a member of the benghazi committee, issuing blistering critique of the white house as the committee prepares to make its report on the deadly attack public.
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congressman, thank you very much for being here. there are these two duelling reports out today, one by the democrats, one by the republicans. but they share one important finding. and that is that then secretary of state hillary clinton did have the intel to know that benghazi was a risk and that that compound there was a danger zone and that she, for whatever reason, did not act more forcefully on that. what's your reaction? >> as best i can tell from all the investigations -- and this marks the ninth investigation, this one done exclusive by ly b republicans because they wouldn't allow democrats to participate. she relied on the intelligence being provided to her. >> but this report says that the
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intel was there, that they did know the security environment was deteriorating in benghazi. >> right. and that information did not get to all the people it should have to be able to make the best decisions for our people, our personnel in the various sites. and one of the recommendations i know that the democrats are making from this investigation is to do a better job of connecting the information with the people who can make decisions. and also making sure we're making the right investments. we've seen this republican congress cut the funding that we need to keep our various embassies safe. it's a matter of making sure you get the intelligence and make the investments. >> the fact these reports have come out now four months before the election, do you think this will have an impact on mrs. clinton's campaign. >> that was the purpose republicans had in mind. what we've learned from this
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nine ninth investigation is it's cost taxpayers $7 million. it was always meant to reduce secretary clinton's poll numbers as she runs for president. what we've learned is nothing more than we've learned in the previous eight investigations. they've used up a lot of taxpayer dollars in a partisan witch hunt. >> as you know, hillary clinton struggles with trust issues. voters sometimes doubt where she is trust worthy. we know this from public opinion polls. maybe it's based on benghazi, maybe it's based on her e-mail issues. but either way, former secretary clinton addressed this on the campaign trail yesterday. listen to what she said. >> a lot of people tell pollsters they don't trust me. now, i don't like hearing that. and i've thought a lot about what's behind it. i understand people having questions. now, maybe we can persuade
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people to change their minds by marshalling facts and making arguments to rebut attacks. but that doesn't work for everyone. you can't just talk someone into trusting you. you've got to earn it. >> so what's the plan, congressman, for her to earn that trust from voters? >> i think you take a look at what happened for example in this latest republican partisan investigation on benghazi. for 11 hours, republicans grilled the secretary, trying to get her to disclose something that hadn't already been known, trying to make her look bad. for 11 hours she todstood thered took all these questions. that is hillary clinton. she's tough, she's tested and she'll speak truth to power. as more and more americans have an opportunity to hear her, to meet her directly, speaking facts to power, i think they will begin to trust her. compare her to who she's running
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against. trump who's very difficult to trust at all given that he makes statements he can't even follow up on. once they know who secretary clinton is, they'll realize they've got a tough cookie who'll make a great president. >> the trans pacific trade partnership. listen to this ad they have just put out and then you can respond. >> this tpp sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free transparent, fair trade. the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. and when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40% of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment. >> congressman, will that come
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back to haunt her, that she was extolling the virtues there of the tpp and now she doesn't support it? >> those statements were made before the tpp had been concluded. she has since had an opportunity to review the tpp now as negotiated and signed by the different parties. what she has said is it is not what she thought it could be. i don't think there's any problem. you don't make decisions based on a half cooked product. you wait until you see the final product before you make your final call. she has made it very clear why she's not for this tpp. she's for trade, but you have to have a good trade bill that doesn't allow the cheaters to take advantage of american workers and companies. pope francis making ground breaking comments about gays. are conservative catholics on board? you don't let anything keep you sidelined. that's why you drink ensure.
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. you should, if you are a catholic, ask for forgiveness from gays, from the poor, from
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those who get weapons in their hands and others who, because of the church's inaction or action, have gotten to where they are today. that comes from pope francis. ask for forgiveness from gays for how you judge them and mistreat them. but not everybody in the catholic church is going along with the leader of the church. let's discuss with bill donahue. he is the president of the catholic league. do you feel like apologizing? >> no. as a matter of fact, i want an apology for gays. i've been assaulted by gays. i've never assaulted a gay person in my entire life. >> you blame all gays? >> no. i blame the people at a protest parade who watched me be assaulted by lesbians. cnn is factually wrong. >> how so? >> because they said that the pope said the church said we
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have to apologize. he said christians. he said the church is holy and we are sinners. christians are sinners. now, if a catholic or property t -- protestant or jew or muslim has offended anybody, of course they should apologize. but the idea of a blanket apology because you're a member of some demographic group, what should you apologize for? >> it's refreshing to hear you refer to lbgt people as a demographic group. but just to be accurate, i believe that the church not only should apologize like that cardinal said and not only should apologize to this person who is gay whom it has offended but has to apologize to the poor, to exploited women, to children exploited for labor. that's what the pope said. let's discuss why you are
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resistant to it? you're not going to win on the language. >> he said the church is holy and we are sinners. that's in there. he made it very clear. >> he said the church should apologize. it's not about the teachings. that's why i brought you here today. and i'm happy you took the opportunity. love, mercy. that's what pope francis says. he doesn't say that the rules have changed. he says that your intentions should change. that bill donahue, as the head of the catholic league, should be out there fighting for the poor, should be fighting for things that are good and not spending so much time fighting to keep gays from getting married. >> i spent time in spanish harlem making the illiterate literate. i've been in the ghetto. i've worked with the poor. i support vouchers. i support the kind of things that would allow nonwhite kids in the inner city to go to catholic school. >> why is it so important to you
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to denounce gays? how many times have -- >> you asked me to come on the show. i don't make the phone calls. your producers call me. now, if you want to have a conversation about poverty and why the people championing the poor are the biggest enemy of the poor, if you want to have me on, have your producers call me to talk about that. but your producers only want to talk about lbgt and don't forget the q. the q is questioning. >> i know what the quiestion is. i don't want to be educated. >> you want to judge. the pope is telling you don't judge. >> don't forget the q. >> i don't forget any of it. it's not for me to judge it. if this is who they are, then that's their deal.
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>> i spent four years in the united states air force. there were gay guys in the air force. i was the one who intervened with some guys who were bullying gays. i don't want to have a lifestyle thrust in my face though. if two people love each other and they're of the same sex -- >> how is it being thrust in your face? >> i don't think that a photographer, a baker should be allowed to discriminate against a gay and say i'm not going to take your picture, i'm not going to bake you a cake. if you asked that person at a wedding ceremony to celebrate a ceremony which you feel you're opposed to, i think that's crossing the line. >> it is not only a specious legal construction, because it almost never happens -- i know why you seize on the case. you know i've covered it very deeply and understand that it happened. but the idea there's going to be some chilling effect on bakers in this country who don't want to bake cakes for gay weddings
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is silly. what happens more often is the tendency to judge people for who they are. >> how have i judged gays? >> by saying what they do is wrong. >> i say adulterers are ong. >> when you google your name, adulterer doesn't pop up all over the place. it's about gay marriage. >> why do you equate being gay and wanting to marry with being a terrorist in orlando. >> you asked me what i'm opposed to. i'm opposed to things people do wrong. >> who said it's wrong? the pope says don't worry about what they do. >> he said it's okay to condemn certain manifestations. he didn't complete the sentence. what was he talking about, chris? it's okay to condemn certain
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manifestations. it's in the same transcript. i know where he's going. he has said that gay marriage is the work of the devil. he said that the transpeople -- he says that gender ideology is demonic. that's the pope that i like. >> you know that you have a hostility and animus towards these behaviors. >> i have a hostility to political correctness. >> how is it politically correct to allow equal protection under the law and to allow people to be who and what they are, especially as a catholic? can you show me where jesus spent time saying we should not let people be who they are, that we should judge people for lifestyle, for being who they are? >> there are mobster lifestyles. there's all kinds of lifestyles which i wasn't want to endorse. >> those are inherently violent, antagonistic and negative
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existences. >> your status as a gay person is irrelevant. it's morally irrelevant. you are a child of god. behavior is different. straight people do all kinds of different things sexually which the church doesn't approve of. >> the pope says apologize for being offensive to gays and judging them and mistreating them. >> for what? when you've done something wrong, yes. what have i done wrong? >> how did you wind up at that parade where the lesbians? what were you doing, handing out water? >> i was taking her picture, this lovely thing as she's walking in the gay parade illegally up fifth avenue. i took a picture and i was assaulted by her and others. i'm not a whiner like some people who claim to be a victim every time. >> you say they're putting their gay on you.
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>> i just want the apology. >> maybe exchange apologies. bill donahue, thank you for making the case. trillions of dollars lost by investors world wide, at least on paper, since the brexit vote. will the bleeding top today? we have a live report from the new york stock exchange next.
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the brexit vote slashing $3 trillion from the pockets of vfs t investors, at least on paper. alison kosik is live at the new york stock exchange. >> get ready, get set, rebound. less than an hour to do before the opening bell rings here at the new york stock exchange. we're watching the exchanges in europe bouncing back. we're expecting to see the dow here jump as much as 200 days at the open. in just two sessions the dow has lost almost 900 points.
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investors are ready to scoop up beaten down stocks. they're expecting some sort of coordinated intervention by global banks. keep in mind, this is just an expectation. if that support doesn't come, don't be surprised to see more sell-offs. >> obviously this is a big index for people following what the fallout is of brexit. you have economic turmoil, political turmoil because of this big u.k. vote. larry summers st goiis going to us to discuss what it means to you, next. you both have a
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call today at see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. the united kingdom is in damage control after the vote to leave the european union. the u.k.'s aaa bond rating downgraded. many fearing a ripple effect here in the u.s. let's start here. we're seeing the international markets in positive territory four or five days on from the vote now. in the near term, have we seen the end of the panic? >> no one can know. markets fluctuate. i would not be at all confident
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that the positive action that appears to be in train from the last few hours this morning means the fever has broken here. these are very fundamental events in terms of the rise of populism, in terms of the 70 year progress towards european integration receiving its most savage interruption. so i wouldn't be confident that we've seen the last of market reactions. >> why? take us through what the steps will be, what you call the savage interruption. what are the problems they'll face in terms of how to make this separation happen and what goes along with it? >> this is a divorce from a 40-some year marriage between the eu and the u.k. you've got questions in the
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u.k., what will scotland do, what will northern ireland do? they want to be part of europe and they can't be part of europe and be with england. you've got questions about a financial system for europe that to a significant extent has been head quarters kwart equarted in will that continue to operate. you've got questions of whether this will be a precedent for more actions to pull things apart where there are similar elements to the brexit element, to the trump element in a number of european countries. so you've got a variety of significant risks. >> in all of those risks, what worries you the most? >> i think it's the spread of populism that worries me the most. i think what worries me is a
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circle of worse policy, worse outcomes driving worse politics, driving worse policy, driving worse outcomes. that's the kind of cycle that i'm nervous about. >> let's talk about the politics then. you've been very critical of donald trump. you said that his election would hasten an 18-month recession -- a recession within 18 months, a protracted one. he would be worse for the global economy than anyone or anything you could think of. how do i guess the opponents of donald trump and his economic policies reshape their message or pitch it? because it didn't seem to work in the brexit vote. >> there are a lot of differences between the united states and the united kingdom, the fraction and diversity of the united states is much greater than in the united kingdom. and trump has run very much against our diversity as a
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nation. the particular aspects of unsound, impulsive extremism that seem to characterize donald trump weren't present in the same way in the united kingdom. but i think people are going to have to -- look, maybe received in some quarters as scare mongering. but i do think it's going to be hugely important to provide what i've called a responsible nationalist agenda to provide an agenda that identifies more than the agenda we've had over the years with the interests of what bill clinton used to call the people who work hard and play by the rules. that is going to be an important
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challenge whether it's about helping people meet responsibilities for family leave, whether it's about making sure that international cooperation isn't so much property rights for large companies as it is making sure that nobody by running across international borders can avoid regulation and avoid paying the taxes they owe. there's no reason why international cooperation can't be very much in the interests of working people. but i don't think it has been as much as it should be. >> all right. former secretary larry summers, thanks so much for being with us. >> thanks to all of you for watching new day. we'll see you tomorrow.
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. donald trump's tough talk on terror helped propel his presidential hopes all the way to the republican convention. now with that convention less than three weeks away, trump is poised to make a dramatic shift in his call to ban muslims from entering the united states. phil mattingly joins us now. >> when donald trump announced that proposal in december, he called for the complete and total banning of muslims


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