multiple locations. we just got new information about them. let's get right to brooke baldwin, she's live at the istanbul airport with those >> reporter: yeah, chris and alisyn, good morning. we know a lot. significant developments on this early thursday morning. beyond the fact this airport here in istanbul is fully reopened, we now know that police, special operations have carried out raids here in and around istanbul in 16 different neighborhoods or 16 different addresses in total, 13 different people have been detained, including three foreign nationals. all of this, they are telling us, in connection to the triple suicide attack here at the istanbul airport. a turkish official says one attacker walked into the arrivals area of the international terminal, blowing himself up near the security check point. the chaos and confusion giving the second attacker the
opportunity to go up to the departures hall. this surveillance video captures him running across the terminal with a kalashnikov assault rifle in hand. moments later, detonating his suicide vest. a third attacker waiting outside, setting off a third blast outside as freightened travelers ran for their lives. isis has not claimed responsibility for the attack, but turkish and u.s. officials say it bears the hallmarks of the terror group. >> i think what they do is carry out these attacks to gain the benefits from it. at the same time, not wanting to potentially maybe alienate some of those individuals inside of turkey that they may be still trying to gain the support of. >> reporter: investigators say the method used by these attackers is strikingly similar to the brussels bombings. in both cases, three men carried out the attacks, arriving in a taxi, all with explosives and targeting international
airports. brennan warning isis is likely moving toward targeting westerners, and they may be planning attacks in the united states. >> the united states, as we well know, is leading the coalition to try to destroy as much of this poison inside of syria and iraq as possible. so it would be surprising to me that isil is not trying to hit us both in the region as well as in our homeland. >> reporter: obviously we'll stay on top of the latest as far as what's happening here in istanbul on the raids. just on a bit of color, i came in from france just yesterday. i've been here maybe 24 hours. i have to say, walking through the paris airport compared to here in istanbul, i was struck by the long guns and the security even versus here in istanbul. i will say just driving past, we drove past to come to this live location for you, where the bombs went off, with the explosions went off.
just inside the glass doors where you have to walk through metal detectors, it looked to me many of the glass panels have already been replaced. you see here cars streaming by. it's almost like another normal thursday in istanbul. >> a lot of people saying the airport opening just after the suicide bombs. brooke for us there at the airport. thank you so much. security is being ramped up at u.s. airports after the istanbul attack. anti-terror officials on high alert ahead of the july 4th holiday weekend. this is happening as a debate rages here about extending our security perimeters at airports. renee marsh is live at reagan national with more. >> reporter: good morning, victor. it's estimated some 43 million americans will travel over this fourth of july holiday. that's the highest on record. the majority of them will drive, but some 3 million will fly. after those two airport bombings in just a span of three months,
this is the area of the concern. this is the so-called soft target of an airport. any part of the airport before you get to that security check point. it has a lot of passengers but a lot less security. and that is what terrorists are taking advantage of. what we're seeing here in the united states is a lot of airports in places like new york, they are ramping up security. their officers are being armed with tactical weapons. in miami, in atlanta, they're also increasing their police presence. but specifically around the perimeter of the airport. the so-called soft target, victor. we know -- cnn has learned the department of homeland security, they have been having conversations for quite some time about possibly extending their security reach. right now they're only responsible for this, the check point. so discussions are, you know, should they expand that, should they expand that security line
beyond the security check point so this is not the first line of defense. at this point, that would take a lot of manpower, money. it doesn't seem like that is something that would move here domestically any time soon. back to you, alisyn and chris. >> all right. we'll take it. thank you very much. so we have brooke baldwin at the airport. we'll keep her on stand by. let's bring in cnn global affairs analyst kimberly doser and cia counterterrorism official phil mudd. let's start with these raids. lots of different locations, people being detained. what's the strategy in a situation like this? >> don't assume these are directly connected. >> why, aren't they? >> security officials are under a lot of pressure. they don't necessarily have a name yet, which is the first indicator you want. they're saying, let's look at people who we've had under investigation that might be involved in bringing suspects in from turkey. wether or not we're certain they're connected with this. we're going to shake the trees.
bring them in, bring a laptop in. they're two days in. international pressure to show progress. they got to do something. >> well, see, kimberly, here enlies the problem. we saw the same thing after brussels. why don't they do these things before the terror attacks? if they're so suspicious of these people, why doesn't this happen proactively? >> well, they are doing raids throughout the country. you have to think about the number of syrian refugees. if this was isis, and they still haven't claimed responsibility and probably won't, but there are some 3 million syrian refugees throughout that country along the border with syria. you've got towns where turkish security officials fear for their lives because of the isis infiltration. i spoke to at least one who fled the country because he and his family were being targeted because of crackdowns on isis. so these are ongoing. this is something that turkey lives with. it's only come to our attention because of these awful attacks. >> paris was a different situation obviously, watching it
happen there. they had a big set of restrictions about what they were doing. now they're in a state of emergency. they're doing operations like they always have before. that wound up being all those raids were connected to what they believed to be a big cell, a network there. this seems to be different, according to you, phil. playing to the state of play in american politics and what this attacks means, it's a reaction to the reality that this is happening all the time because isis is winning. we bring on military experts who show us how much land has been taken back in big cities like fallujah from isis. they say isis is not winning. what's your take? >> that's one of the things cia chief john brennan has been trying to address, this duality of how can isis be losing on the battlefield but still strong as a terrorist group? one of the things he says and other counterterrorism officials is it just doesn't take that many resources to carry out terrorism attacks. when you have the momentum that isis has from the land that it's taken over the past two years, even though it is suffering
defeats in fallujah, it still has the attention of a population out there with a lot of grievances that isis' successes give them something to cheer. >> so brooke, tell us more, if you know anything. 16 raids, we understand, 13 people arrested. have authorities told you anything about these people? >> reporter: well, i think phil brings up a great point in that you can't jump to the conclusion that this is absolutely, inconclusively tied to what happened at the airport. in the wake of what happened here, the horrific triple suicide bombings, you have these special operations police shaking the trees, to borrow his phrase, around neighborhoods here in istanbul. it's also worth pointing out two factors that perhaps led to what we've now seen as far as isis
and the aikt suicide bombing here in turkey this year. they've really been sealing off the border. you have the fact they've opened the air base so that the u.s.-led coalition has been able to run over iraq and syria. in the wake of that, if you looked at the cover of an isis magazine, you had then the picture of president erdogan here of turkey standing alongside president barack obama. so there is this uptick in anger toward turkey, but interesting that in any of these durnt attacks, they have not -- isis has not claimed responsibility. >> the other big reflection back here, phil, brings us back to airport security. people are afraid. isn't it the reality that airports are soft targets and the compromise between freedom of travel and security is one that's going to leave you with a vulnerability? >> reality check. a couple months ago we're talking about tsa lines at airports. now we're talking about attacks in turkey, let's look at airports here. that's the wrong question. if you're looking at targets for
isis and al qaeda, you see bus attacks, now airports. so multiply that a thousand times across the u.s. san francisco, the b.a.r.t. the subway in new york. chicago, l.a.x. you start to see, if we want to think about hardening, don't think about what happened in turkey, think about, a, the number of targets we have to consider given what isis and al qaeda have gone after. b, think about the conversation in two months when people say, i don't want to wait in line for an hour and a half to get on an airplane. >> and cia director john brennan is talking about those possible targets here at home. let me play for you what he said yesterday about this. >> it would be surprising to me that isil is not trying to hit us both in the region as well as in our homeland. if anybody here believes that, you know, the u.s. homeland is sealed and that the daesh or isil would not consider that, i
think i would, you know, guard against that. >> after san bernardino and orlando, who thinks the u.s. is sealed? there's self-radicalization via the internet. >> and yet the number of lone wolf and overall terrorist attacks -- attempts in this country are not to the point where it's changing our way of life. yes, all of those transport systems you mentioned, airports, et cetera, are fairly open. until you've got a number of attacks, we're not going to do things like the way israelis do at their airport, which is have a check a mile outside the airport so you limit the number of people who could be affected by gunfire or an explosion. >> then you have a different set of rules for people working at the airport versus those traveling and it creates all kinds of risk assessments and problems. you've never met a phil mudd type who doesn't tell a kim doser type we're lucky there aren't more attacks in the united states. >> panel, thank you very much for your expertise.
let's get to victor. >> three weeks now before accepting the republican nomination, donald trump is at war with his party, big business, and president obama over trade. despite taking fire from all sides, trump is expected to double down today and rail against those deals again. cnn's jason carroll joins us now with more. >> good morning, victor. president obama and donald trump going toe to toe on trade policy. the president going after trump during a trade summit in canada, calling out the presumptive nominee for not having a true populist message. >> reporter: president obama laying into donald trump's protectionist trade agenda as not feasible, calling it a prescription that won't help u.s. workers but would actually hurt them. >> withdrawing from trade deals and focusing solely on your local market, that's the wrong medicine. our auto plants, for example, would shut down if we didn't have access to some parts in
other parts of the world. >> reporter: speaking at a rally in bangor, maine, trump spoke of his plans again, which calls for possibly pulling out of the transpacific trade deal. trump firing back at the usually gop friendly chamber of commerce. >> the united states chamber of commerce is upset with me. they say we're going to lose a trade war. we're already losing the trade war, folks. >> reporter: trumps' attacks coming on the heels of attacks by the chamber of commerce, live tweeting during trump's economic speech on tuesday. trump now accusing the chamber of being controlled by special interest groups, boasting that if elected, he can negotiate better deals. >> we lost the trade war. we're getting killed. nothing worse can happen than what's happening now. >> reporter: the presumptive gop nominee threatening agreements with china in the process. >> i want to renegotiate a deal. i want to terminate the deal and
do a good deal. and that's all i want. >> reporter: the president making a point to dismiss trump's so-called populist message. >> they don't suddenly become populist because they say something controversial in order to win votes. that's not the measure of populism. that's nativism. or xenophobia. >> reporter: trump taking aim at hillary clinton by triali intry appeal to sanders' supporters. >> bernie sanders cannot stand hillary clinton. you wouldn't think this. but there is one thing bernie sanders and i are in complete accord with. that's trade. he said we're being ripped off. i say we're being ripped off. >> reporter: trump also taking a swipe at old foes, calling out his former gop rivals for their lack of support. >> these people, they signed the pledge. remember, they all wanted me to sign the pledge. they broke their word. in my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public
office again. >> reporter: and trump's allies aren't letting up attacking elizabeth warren's heritage. howie carr opening trump's rally. >> you know elizabeth warren, right? >> reporter: picking up on trump's incessant jabs, calling warren pocahontas. >> pocahontas, that's this elizabeth warren. >> a number of native americans upset by those comments. a little more on the battle trump is having with the u.s. chamber of commerce. the chamber points to an op-ed trump wrote for cnn three years ago about the global economy. there were no calls for pulling out of nafta. instead, trump wrote, the future of europe as well as the united states depends on a cohesive global economy. all of us must work together toward that very significant common goal. the chamber saying the trump of 2013 is much better than the trump of today. chris? >> times change, jason. especially when you're running for president. appreciate the reporting.
>> you bet. >> so we're going to be talking about what's going on with trump, now at odds on trade with the president as well and his own party. how did this happen? what is trump presenting that's so unique when it comes to trade? we're going to take you through it next. you know we said we'd take a look
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the u.s. chamber of commerce is totally controlled by the special interest groups, folks. just so you understand. and there are special interests that want to have the deals that they want to have. they want to have tpp, transpacific partnership. one of the worst deals. it'll be the worst deal since nafta. >> that was donald trump slamming the republican friendly u.s. chamber of commerce for a, quote, sinister trade agenda. what's his agenda? let's bring in washington bureau chief for "the daily beast" and ali velshi. so ali, let me start with you.
part of donald trump's appeal is there are no sacred cows. he's willing to go after them. so the chamber of commerce didn't like his economic speech. now he says they have a sinister agenda. >> it's easy to pick on the chamber of commerce because it's like a hammer. a lot of things are nails to them. it's very, very obvious. they're very big pro free traders, but there are only a handful of wonks in the country who pay attention to these trade deals. one of them is sitting next to me. the fact is they're not popular. it's very easy to rail against those trade deals. as chris and i discussed yesterday, there's actually something wrong with them. all of them affect manufacturing and working class people in the richer country that makes the deal. >> so he's fastened on something that's a winning agenda. >> he has. >> it's something that's united the pat buchanans, the jesse jacksons, the bernie sanders for a long time. >> how do you put all three of them together?
>> that's the point. this is where the far left and far right can sometimes agree. but we've never had a republican nominee campaign against free trade. more the republican nominee to be in a war with the chamber of commerce is just another sign of how deeply weird this election is. we are through the looking glass, people. the chamber of commerce and republican nominee are at war with each other. that has nothing to do with normal political reality. traditionally these folks walk in lock step. now they're fighting. >> but trump is changing what the party is about with him as the nominee. he's saying the obvious, which is the chamber of commerce, they're part of the insider, part of the establishment. they like the special interest. it works for them. that's who pays the fees for them. at some point, that's probably how he'll say i got my rating to an "a" for trump university. it seems to work for him to be at odds with the establishment. is this an extension of that? >> this is absolutely an extension of that. in a lot of ways, we could have predicted that trump and the chamber of commerce weren't
going to get along. where it gets interesting is how this affects fundraising. down ballot republicans, some of these senators who are running, are not anti-trade, are actually for tpp or have been for these other trade deals. you can't really have the top of the ticket fitting with republican senate candidates. so that's where things are going to get dicey as we move on. you're going to have the rnc having heart palpitations when you have the top of the ticket hurting down ballot races. >> this is not like a 50/50 proposition. this is like 95% of republicans support free trade deals and have for a long time. from ronald reagan down, this has been orthodox. trade deals may be unpopular right now, but we have seen an uptick in manufacturing since 2010. there's been an overall decline since nafta, that's true, but this is not -- >> a decline since before nafta. >> that's right. and america does sell a lot of things to mexico for $200 billion a year. this may be populist for certain
folks who feel squeezed in the wake of the great recession, but this is total orthodoxy among the vast, vast majority of republicans. >> go back just over four years. >> velshi is getting close. >> you'll remember cnn had the big bus. we rode that bus in the final days of the 2012 election. we were in ohio. we were in youngstown, toledo. >> tell us more. >> the whole discussion was about -- it was a very small bus. that's where the discussion turned. mitt romney started talking about autoworkers and trade and fiat taking over chrysler and exporting jobs. it solidified the base for democrats in ohio. workers in america take this trade stuff very seriously. the rest of us don't really think about it all that much. they associate these trade deals with their jobs being taken away. and this is -- i think it's okay for him. it's smart for him to break with the chamber of commerce on this issue because it will get him --
>> but it could help him in ohio and pennsylvania, no question. >> you can't not mention that also the messenger matters here. trump couldn't even live up to his own standards when it comes to trade. a lot of his products are manufactured abroad. hillary clinton has made this point in her recent speeches. >> but he has an answer for that. >> what is it? >> i have to do it because the tax system on corporations here is so crazy. the union situation is so crazy that you can't turn a profit here. i'll change those things. >> but how is it he explains what jason carroll just reported, that three years ago in his column, he touted globalization. >> taken out of context by violent media. >> in an article on cnn. and this has been a long standing view. the explanation is that was then, now i'm running for president. do as i say, not as i do. >> he says there's a continuum of thought there. not that he doesn't want any trade deals, that you made bad trade deals, i'll negotiate all
of them. >> but touting globalization is different than that. he was in favor of it. now it sounds like he's not in favor of it. >> i agree. he used the words globalization, not just trade. he talked about the idea that we're part of a big global economy. >> now they say globalist, which is an epithet. >> correct and that's the issue. if we want to buy some cheaper goods from elsewhere and have other countries buy our goods, that's a relationship we're going to get into. economically speaking. otherwise you end up with a bunch of surpluses of whatever it is you make in your country and a shortage of things you don't make, which become very expensive. american people also like cheap goods. >> and when countries trade together, they're also less likely to go to war. don't forget the larger backdrop to a lot of these trade deals as well in the wake of world wars. >> jackie, very quickly, donald trump has also gone after his former republican rivals because he says they're breaking their pledge that today took to support the top of the ticket,
whoever the party's nominee was. >> a pledge they were really forcing him to take. >> he doesn't like it when other people sort of change their word or their promise and he's going after them for being dishonest about that. >> you know, i don't think anyone's going to shed any tears. someone like a jeb bush wasn't going to -- i think these republicans during the race were all kind of hedging their bets because no one thought that trump was going to be the nominee. they can hold their nose and vote for ted cruz, but trump is another -- something else entirely. i don't know that it's going to hobble their political ambitions as trump has suggested. >> well, look, he likes to reach, and he's reaching by saying they should never run again. in fairness, we were there, right, we were covering the pledge. trump, why won't you make the pledge? they were all like, we made the pledge, we're part of the party. now they have a presumptive nominee, they're not living up to the pledge. >> panel, thank you very much. very entertaining. let's get over to victor. >> look at the screen. a roller coaster malfunctioned, leaves a group of kids 100 feet
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29 minutes until the top of the hour now. the parade of candidates starting to declare their intentions to become britain's next prime minister has begun. they're now throwing their hats in the ring less than a week after uk voters decided to pull out of the european union, prompting the resignation of prime minister david cameron. boris johnson, a widely perceived front runner, is expected to announce plans to run this morning. investigators getting new clues about what may have brought down egyptair flight 804 over the mediterranean. the flight data recorder reveals smoke in the lavatory. it shows signs of high temperature damage and soot. but it's still not clear whether the damage was caused by a bomb or mechanical failure. the data should be able to help make that determinatiodetermina. all right. you're going to have to watch it, but you're not going to like what you see. this is a roller coaster stuck with seven kids and one adult, who are then forced to find their way down after they got
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breaking overnight, dozens of isis terrorists killed in a series of u.s. air strikes. the terrorists targeted as they apparently tried to escape fallujah. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr live with the very latest for us. barbara, what have you learned? >> good morning, victor. the u.s. says they did strike this convoy of trucks leaving southern fallujah, and it may be that dozens of isis fighters were killed. the iraqis are saying they were also involved in those strikes. they believe there were hundreds of vehicles and hundreds of isis fighters killed as they tried to escape fallujah, which of course fell to iraqi forces liberating the town from isis over the last several days. why is this video so interesting? because the question is, why would isis risk becoming such a target, pufting hundreds of fighters in one spot where they had to have known they would be seen from the air and bombed. u.s. officials say they think this is a real sign of desperation by isis to get out
of the way. but, you know, there's another bigger picture at play here, as we've discussed this morning. the cia says isis still a very long way to go. they have a very significant capability to launch terror attacks, especially in europe, outside of iraq and syria, as we have just seen in istanbul. i have to tell you, a top u.s. air force intelligence official has told us this week when he looks at the targeting campaign, hitting the right targets, hitting the targets that really matter, he gives it a five out of ten. back to you guys. >> barbara, thank you very much. it also creates somewhat of a confusing picture. if you're winning on the ground, how is isis still so capable to attack people all over the world? makes it seem like they must not be losing. so let's discuss this with retired air force colonel cedric layton. he'd a former member of the joint chiefs of staff. colonel, you understand what i'm saying about this. you know, we'll hear, wow, look at the gains on the ground, look
how isis lost fallujah, is losing up to 50% of its cash flow, but then we see istanbul, we see brussels, we see what happens here in orlando and san bernardino. we hear the cia give what appears to be a mixed message, that, well, whatever is going on, on the ground, that's one thing, but they're still cousup capable and there will be more attacks all over the world. how do you reconcile? >> this is what i call cornered rat syndrome. what you're dealing with is an organization in the form of isis that's trying desperately to survive. the way they do that is by lashing out, by doing things like istanbul, brussels, or paris, and they're trying very hard to not only focus their energies on various attacks, various spectacular attacks that they can mount, but they also want to make sure that they cannot only grab the headlines but attract more recruits. they're finding it really difficult to do this. their recruitment has gone down considerably over the last few
months. what they're dealing with now is basically being able to regenerate their fighting force. they do that by attracting them through spectacular acts like istanbul. >> where do you come down on the notion that the reason that isis is able to perform these attacks, the reason that they're still holding the grounds that they are is because the united states is not tough enough and has not identified what the real problem is? >> well, i think it's much more complex than that. what we're really dealing with here, chris, is their ability -- they're an organization that can morph with the conditions they find themselves in. so no matter what kind of policy you put in place, they would still do things like the istanbul attack. it's very difficult for us to really go in there unless you went in there with, you know, thousands of people on the ground and thousands of sorties in the air all at once. it will be very difficult to
eradicate isis. that's the difference. the minute they're eradicated, all of this would stop. the problem is, it's very difficult to do that. >> well, you're starting to hear the whispers. you're starting to see that the battle fatigue that we had assumed on the part of the american people seemed to maybe be wearing off. you're hearing more people say we need boots on the ground, we have to be stronger, we have to get in there and fight. what is your concern if you put a large number of u.s. troops on the ground and they do have immediate and amazing success and apparently vanquish isis? then what happens? >> that's the question. it's the question, what happens after next? you have a situation where you can go in and achieve a spectacular military victory. the problem then is, what do you do with the period that happens right after you occupy territory or right after you get al baghdadi or someone like that? those are the things you have to concern yourself with. not only, you know, how do you do it right now, but what
happens after you take an action like that? it can be done, but it would require the willingness of the american people to support a major ground operation, and it would also require the willingness to be very creative in terms of what they call tactics, techniques, and procedures. if we're creative, if we do things like enhance our targeting capability, such as barbara starr talked about, those are things that are going to matter. if you combine that with veteran intelligence and much more forceful approach, you could achieve a difference. the question is, what do you do after that? you have to have a plan for what comes next. >> otherwise, you can just take a look at iraq and the graveyard of empires afghanistan for what happens next. >> exactly. >> colonel, thank you very much, as always. >> chris, we're following breaking news. deadly suicide bombings in afghanistan. we'll tell you the details next.
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this was just west of kabul. local officials say the buses were carrying newly graduated police officers. the taliban is already claiming responsibility for that attack. a top aide to hillary clinton testifying that the former secretary of state's use of private e-mail server caused some frustration. in a newly released deposition, detailing how clinton once missed an important call with the foreign minister because an e-mail got caught in a spam filter. despite the trouble, she insists clinton's use of private server was about keeping personal e-mails from being read, not hiding government business. the senate approving a rescue bill, which promises to help puerto rico dig out from its $70 billion debt burden. puerto rico owes creditors roughly $2 billion by friday. supporters say the bill is not a bailout but a plan to help puerto rico regain financial footing. the president is expected to sign the measure as soon as it hits his desk. all right. flip-flops or evolution?
country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. when i'm elected, i will suspend immigration from areas of the world where there is a proven history of terrorism against the united states, europe, or our allies. >> so is this shifting stance a problem for trump and his campaign? let's bring back ali velshi. we want to bring in our cnn political commentator and trump supporter. ali, let me start with you. one man's evolution is another man's flip-flop. on the muslim ban, does that hurt trump? >> well, i spoke to him within a few days of that, making that ban. obviously a little concerned, as a muslim in america. he said, no, it's not about you, it's different. you know we've got a real problem. i said, why don't we make this a little more specific then so we can identify what you're thinking about. at that point, it was the debate in houston, or maybe las vegas. he didn't. he wasn't prepared to do
that. but this is an evolution on
this. on the issue of trade where he flips, i have to say hillary clinton has done exactly the same thing. she was pro-tpp, she was pro-trade. under pressure from bernie sanders, even though donald trump wants to take credit for it, she changed her view. >> so not a problem. >> and she changed her view on keystone xl. >> so par for the course for politicians? >> i think they need to explain their way through it. donald trump sounds as though he's always been against globalization and trade. >> does donald trump shift positions more than other politicians? >> it's a good question. i don't know that he does. i think we haven't watched his evolution on positions for as long. so he's developing them in a shorter time span. i think hillary clinton thought things were okay when she was in the administration, which when you're running against somebody who's pulling you to the left are not okay. so i think they're changing for the same reasons, but they're both changing. i don't know whether that's okay or not. i'd rather people think things through and evolve them than take hardened positions that don't make sense. >> let's talk about mr. trump's
positions on waterboarding and torture. that also seems to have shifted. let's play first what he said over various months and then what he's saying now. >> i would bring back waterboarding and bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. we're like a bunch of babies, but we're going to stay within the laws. but you know what we're going to do? we're going to have those laws broadened. they say, what do you think about waterboarding? i like it a lot. i don't think it's tough enough. you have to fight fire with fire. >> okay. now, in between all of those -- so first he said, i like waterboarding. then he said i'm going to stay between the laws. then he said i'm going to broaden the laws. then fight fire with fire. he said, i will not order a military officer to disobey the law, which waterboarding would be. it is clear as president i would be bound by laws and i will meet those responsibilities. so hard to know. how do you parse what he's said? >> i think all of those things
are consistent. he talks about expanding the law. many would argue that's what the bush administration did with the defined enhanced interrogation methods. so i think the idea of wanting to bring back some enhanced interrogation methods, which by the way were used in a limited fashion on only three detainees and both michael heydon and leon panetta have praised that. i think he's talking about using this only in limited circumstances to get information from detainees? >> is that how you interpreted it? >> no, and i wish she could be around for every time drurp son trump says that. that's the kind of specificity we need. he said in a speech two days ago, they behead people, we don't. now he talks about fighting fire with fire. i hope we don't get to the point where we think beheading is okay because it's effective. we have decided waterboarding is bad. it's against the law. we've had testimony from guys who have successfully retrieved
information as an fbi agent that led to prosecution. >> but not through waterboarding. >> that's the point. what the fbi director has said is that it actually has not been effective. khalid sheik hm hm hmh mohammed waterboarded and gave false information. >> many people say he led to important information that led to the courier. >> they behead us, we should waterboard them, but not talking about whether it's effective for actual intelligence. >> but i'm not sure that it's punitive so much as saying we need to be strong. the fact that in this country we're not willing to, you know, put someone in some form of discomfort, be it sleep deprivation, to not use that mechanism or not even talk about it, not have it as a tool on the
table. we're trying to thwart terrorist attacks. we don't want 49 to die in orlando. we don't want 14 to die in san bernardino. if it means putting someone in a bit of discomfort to extract information, i think most of the nation would say that's okay within the bounds of lthe law. >> i think the people who gather information, the fbi agents will tell you this, that it does come across as a little condescending when donald trump talks about us not being tough and us not being babies. tell to the soldiers who have been recently killed in fallujah. the american people didn't want this war, and president obama was forced by popular and military opinion to put people back on the ground there. it is something that americans are very, very uncomfortable with, but it is tough. you just reported on how many isil killers were killed by air strikes in the last couple days. i'm not sure the argument is that we're not being tough enough. we are making a good deal of progress against isis in those territories. >> i guess the very quick
question is, do you think that these shifting positions will hurt him with voters? >> i don't think so because i see these as shifts on the margins. the first thing ali said is really important. he mentioned donald trump said, look, this isn't about keeping muslims out of the country. it's about securing the border in whatever means we need to do that in. he can shift on the margins of policies, but you're not going to see wholesale change where he all the sudden doesn't think immigration and terrorism have a connection. >> thank you very much. we're following a lot of news this morning, including those terror raids under way in turkey after the airport attacks. let's get right to it. isis suffers setbacks. >> security is being ramped up at u.s. airports. >> new information about tuesday's deadly bombings. >> it was a very scary moment. people were trying to break the glass, trying to get out. >> we heard people yelling. >> stop, stop. >> bernie sanders cannot stand hillary clinton. >> we know that the economy
would be badly damaged if donald trump had his way. >> there is one thing that bernie sanders and i are in complete accord with. that's trade. >> it's not a measure of populism. it's nativism or xenophobia or worse. t >> the public needs to be told the truth about contamination in their water supply. >> why the epa is not doing more to protect our drinking water. this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." victor blackwell joining us. we have breaking news right now on the istanbul airport investigation. turkish police conducting multiple terror raids at this hour. >> this as we are just learning now about the nationalities of the airport attackers. let's get right to brooke baldwin. she's live at the istanbul airport with all of the breaking details. what are you learned, brooke? >> reporter: yeah, alisyn, good
morning. i'll get to those raids in a moment. we have a new number on the number of people detained. first, we now know according to a turkish official the nationalities of the three suicide attackers. they are from russia, uzbekistan, and kurdistan. so there's that as more of a picture is being painted as far as who these three were who ultimately murdered 41 people here at the istanbul airport. we also know early this morning special ops police here in and around istanbul have detained 13 people in 16 different locations. we have also learned that an additional nine others were detained in a western coastal city. i think we have to be careful with language whether or not it is specifically connected to what happened here two nights ago at the istanbul airport or simply in the wake of these horrific attacks this has happened because of what happened at the istanbul airport. a tur cukish official says one
attacker walked into the international arrival area, blowing himself up. the chaos and confusion giving the second attacker the opportunity to go up to the departures hall. this surveillance video captures him running across the terminal with a kalashnikov assault rifle in hand. moments later, detonating his suicide vest. a third attacker waiting outside, setting off a third blast outside as frightened travelers ran for their lives. isis has not claimed responsibility for the attack, but turkish and u.s. officials say it bears the hallmarks of the terror group. >> i think what they do is carry out these attacks to gain the benefits from it, at the same time not wanting to potentially maybe alienate some of those individuals inside of turkey that they may still be trying to gain the support of. >> reporter: investigators say the method used by these attackers is strikingly similar to the brussels airport bombings. in both cases, three men carried
out the attacks, arriving in a taxi, all with explosives and targeting international airports. brennan warning isis is likely moving toward targeting westerners and they may be planning attacks in the united states. >> the united states, as we well know, is leading the coalition to try to destroy as much of this poison inside of syria and iraq as possible. so it would be surprising to me that isil is not trying to hit us both in the region as well as in our homeland. >> reporter: and victor, i know we're going to have a greater discussion here in a moment, but as this horrendous story here in istanbul, this major airport, the 11th most busy in the world, has launched new conversations about airport security. let's be crystal clear. i have never seen this in any u.s. airport, where you have to go through a metal detector in a glassed off area just to get inside of the airport.
so you have that first layer of security here in istanbul. so had that not been there, like in brussels, for example, where we know those attackers were walking toward that american airlines counter, this was still on the periphery of the airport. that number, 41, as far as dead, could have been much higher. >> brooke, let's turn now to the increased security rolling out at u.s. airports. you brought that up. of course, this is coming after the istanbul attack. anti-terror officials now on high alert ahead of the fourth of july holiday weekend as the debate grows over extending security perimeters at our nation's airports. cnn aviation correspondent renee marsch is live at reagan national in washington. >> reporter: good morning, victor. it's projected this holiday weekend some 43 million americans will travel. the majority of them by car, but some 3 million will fly. we're talking about two airport bombings in the span of just three months. so this is the area of concern, the so-called soft target of an
airport. it's the part of the airport that's filled with passengers but not nearly as secure. this in the united states is the first line of defense. this is the security check point. so the security doesn't quite kick in until you get to this point in the airport. what we're seeing in the wake of what happened in istanbul is several u.s. airports, they're stepping up their prim ster security. so the security outside and around and in the soft areas of the airport, places like new york they've armed their officers with tactical weapons. in miami and atlanta, they have increased their police presence. a short time ago this morning, we saw two officers with long guns patrolling this soft area of the airport. but you brought up this issue of extending this security line. that conversation has been happening at the department of homeland security for quite some time now. however, the agency has not figured out an effective way to
do that because in order to do that, it takes money, it takes manpower, and it also takes a lot of time. back to you, alisyn. >> thank you for all of that. we have a lot of breaking news to dissect here. let's bring back brooke baldwin. also joining us is cnn's senior international correspondent c r clarissa ward, and author michael weiss. let's start with you. we now know the nationalities of the attackers at the airport. russia, uzbekistan, does that surprise you? >> no, it doesn't. one of the toughest battalions in isis is called the uzbek battalion. these are essentially the people on the front line. people from the former soviet union tend to be most battle hardened and the most willing to die. their war minister, the guy who was just killed, was a georgian national of ethnic chechen
extraction. he was actually responsible for one of the biggest -- the first victories isis really had on the battlefield, which fell in early 2013. he was the one who dispatched decide bombers, blew a hole through the wall using a saudi and another foreign national driving a vehicle laiden with explosives. these guys know what they're doing. >> so is isis still the only possibility? if you look at the boston bombings, those guys were chechen too. they say it was al qaeda. >> those guys were kids though. there's been all kinds -- ambiguity about what kind of contacts they had. there is an al qaeda presence. there's also what's called the caucasus. it reaffirms it's almost certainly isis. >> so clarissa, we need to here in the united states change our thinking because immediately we
hear isis and thinking, oh, middle eastern attackers when, no, this is, as michael's been explaining, the horizons have expanded. >> well, absolutely, alisyn. if you ask most syrians why they hate isis so much, obviously there's a myriad of reasons. their brutality, first and foremost. one of the other things you'll hear from many syrians is we hated them because they weren't syrian. this wasn't a syrian organization. it was sort of born in iraq. but then it became huge essentially because it acted as a sort of center of gravity for all of these jihadis who poured in from across the world. as you heard michael say there, central asia, former soviet union satellite states, these are some of the most significant contributors to the jihad and specifically to isis. they are also known as being some of the most brutal and battle hardened fighters, alisyn.
>> brooke, one of the remarkable things, as you've just outlined, you've never seen a security perimeter so far out front of an airport. that's not how we do it here in the u.s. you first go in, get your boarding pass. there, it's different. however, that didn't stop the attack from happening, the fact that security happens curbside. >> reporter: it didn't stop the attack. you're absolutely right. but just imagine, you know, you're rolling up to a place like dulles or jfk or l.a.x. and you see the glass doors and when you're dropped off at the airport, you walk in those doors. here there's an entire glassed off area where you do have security, and there are -- we talk about the lines just to get through the metal detectors in the states. you have these long lines just to get inside of the airport. i think the point that some of the folks here are making, had that sort of first line of defense not been there, had these attackers been able to very easily get inside where the desks are where you check in to get on your plane, to board your
plane, the number of dead could be so much higher. one other interesting point here, which i think is a tad different from what we've talked about in covering brussels and paris, for example, is here in istanbul, sadly they have -- i don't want to say accustomed to violence, but there was quite a bit of violence even from pkk in the '90s. for example, in my own hotel, i have to go through a metal detector to get in the front doors. if there's a location where 50 or more people are walking in, movie theater, hotel, soft targets, you have to walk through a metal detector like the airport to get in. that is the way of life here in istanbul. >> michael, people also are talking about turkey now in a context that we used to hear about pakistan, that this is a complex relationship for them. they don't want to be a sponsor of terror, clearly, but they have a cultural split within that country now that is growing as quickly as anything else about sunni sympathizers with isis and who are we as muslims here. tell us about that.
>> well, it's a complicated relationship. i remember there was a documentary done. they actually got inside raqqah and met with isis jihadis. one guy turned to the camera and said, you see the river here? it's not flowing at full capacity because the turks are cutting off the water supply using the dam system. if they do not return the watt every supply to its normal level, we will strike in istanbul. there's always been a sort of hanging over the head of turkey with this. this is where the foreign fighter flow has poured in. depending on who you ask, the pkk for instance insists there's a collaboration between ankora and isis. it's going too far, i think. but there's been a see no evil, hear no evil policy. i mean, look, u.s. intelligence sources say, remember the so-called cfo or chief economist of isis, when he was killed by
u.s. special forces many months aek, the intelligence gathered by the americans from that raid suggest that the turks sort of knew about isis movements and didn't really do anything or blow the whistle or coordinate closely with coalition allies. this is a complicated relationship. one other point i want to stress, we were talking the last day or two, could this attack have been precipitated by a restoration of diplomatic ties. we haven't talked about how turkey and russia have also reconciled several months ago or almost half a year ago, i think. turkish f-18s shot down an su-24 russian bomber. one of the pilots was killed. another pilot was killed in a rescue operation by turkish-backed rebels on the ground in syria. vladimir putin and president erdogan had a phone call. there's a restoration of diplomatic ties there. >> but that was just this week. >> that was just this week. >> haven't we heard they
wouldn't be able to pull this attack off in response to something that happened this week? >> depends. with brussels, the reason that happened at the time it did was the capture of abdeslam. they could have accelerated any plan as a result. added to which, all of the former soviet union jihadis are very much penetrated by the russian fsb. in fact, during a time up to the lead up to the sochi olympics, security forces were sending these guys into syria saying we'd rather have you blow stuff up over there than in russia because we don't want anything interrupting this international sporting event. there's going to be a tremendous amount of coordination now between the turks and russias on this, if these guys are the suspects. >> michael, clarissa, brooke,
thank you so much for helping us find our way through this breaking news this morning. in the meantime, more breaking news. let's get to victor. >> this is coming out of london. a stunner in the race to replace david cameron as british prime minister. and it's not who's in but who is out. diana is live from london with more. >> reporter: it is an extraordinary development in an extraordinary week for british politics. most people thought that boris johnson was on a roll to announce that he would be running for britain's next prime minister. he gave a long speech where he ran through all of his great achievements as london mayor, and at the end, he said, but this is the punchline. i'm not the man to lead this country into brexit negotiations. he said he would support the next leader, but it wouldn't be him. he also had a message, which got a bit of applause from the audience to america, where he
said he would be negotiating or that britain would be negotiating trade deals with important partners across the world and that america would be the front of the queue. he got some applause and a clap for that. it is extraordinary twist which leaves two candidates, the justice minister and the interior minister michael gove and theresa may, who are the principipal candidates in this conservative contest. there are plenty of names in the hat. it's a very strange day in what promises to be a long and complicated leadership contest. chris, back to you. >> diana, well reported. obviously making the point again that there wasn't really a plan for what happened after the brexit vote. now, back here we have an election going on, obviously. all of these different issues are reverberating. donald trump is on the attack. he is saying that whether it's the president of the united states, former primary rivals, or the chamber of commerce, all
of them have it wrong on trade. he is in all-out battle mode just three weeks before he is supposed to accept his party's nomination. cnn's jason carroll joins us with the state of play, and it is a dicey one, my friend. >> absolutely dicey and the battle continues. president obama and donald trump going toe to toe on trade policy. the president going after trump during a trade summit in canada, calling out the presumptive nominee for not having a true populous message. >> reporter: president obama laying into donald trump's protectionist trade agenda as not feasible, calling it a prescription that won't help u.s. workers but would actually hurt them. >> withdrawing from trade deals and focusing solely on your local market, that's the wrong medicine. our auto plants, for example, would shut down if we didn't have access to some parts in other parts of the world. >> reporter: speaking at a rally
in bangor, maine, trump spoke of his plans again, which calls for possibly pulling out of the north american tree -- free trade agreement. trump firing back at the usually gop friendly chamber of commerce. >> the united states chamber of commerce is upset with me. they say we're going to lose a trade war. we're already losing the trade war, folks. >> reporter: trumps' attacks coming on the heels of attacks by the chamber of commerce, live tweeting during trump's economic speech on tuesday. trump now accusing the chamber of being controlled by special interest groups, boasting that if elected, he can negotiate better deals. >> we lost the trade war. we're getting killed. nothing worse can happen than what's happening now. >> reporter: the presumptive gop nominee threatening agreements with china in the process. >> i want to renegotiate a deal. i want to terminate the deal and do a good deal. and that's all i want.
>> reporter: the president making a point to dismiss trump's so-called populist message. >> they don't suddenly become populist because they say something controversial in order to win votes. that's not the measure of populism. that's nativism. or xenophobia. >> reporter: trump taking aim at hillary clinton by trying to appeal to sanders' supporters. >> bernie sanders cannot stand hillary clinton. you wouldn't think this. but there is one thing bernie sanders and i are in complete accord with. that's trade. he said we're being ripped off. i say we're being ripped off. >> reporter: trump also taking a swipe at old foes, calling out his former gop rivals for their lack of support. >> these people, they signed the pledge. remember, they all wanted me to sign the pledge. they broke their word. in my opinion, they should never
be allowed to run for public office again. >> reporter: and trump's allies aren't letting up attacking elizabeth warren's heritage. howie carr opening trump's rally. >> you know elizabeth warren, right? >> reporter: picking up on trump's incessant jabs, calling warren pocahontas. >> pocahontas, that's this elizabeth warren. >> a number of native americans upset by those comments. a little more on the battle trump is having with the u.s. chamber of commerce. the chamber points to an op-ed trump wrote for cnn three years ago about the global economy. there were no calls for pulling out of nafta. instead, trump wrote, the future of europe as well as the united states depends on a cohesive global economy. all of us must work together toward that very significant common goal. the chamber saying the trump of 2013 is much better than the trump of today. >> interesting to see those shifting positions. jason, thank you very much for that. well, we have some breaking news for you on who carried out the istanbul terror attacks. up next, we will get the state
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know the nationalities of the three attackers at the istanbul airport. russian, uzbekistan and kyrgyzstan. what's your take? >> chris, let's not get ahead of the investigation. they're just starting this out now. we've seen the reports just like you about these nationalities. there's been no claim of responsibility that i'm aware of, so we need to let the turks investigate this and let the facts take them where they do. that said, whether it is or it isn't, your statement about isil is absolutely accurate. this is a group that wants to metastasize. it's a group that wants to expand its influence. they continue to attract foreign fighters from around the world. again, let's let this play out.
obviously our thoughts and prayers continue to go to the people affected by this. >> absolutely. and part of those prayers are that it doesn't spread here. this is reverberating in the election as this group is stronger than the government wants us to believe it is. this attack is proof of it. they're all over the place over there. we are weak and not doing what we need to do to stop isis. that's what you're hearing right out of donald trump. your take? >> well, i'm not going to get into debating campaign rhetoric with the candidates. i think you know that, chris. that said, he me talk about the threat by daesh. they are definitely a different group than you and were talking about two years ago. large convoys storming across iraq. this is a different group. they can't do that as much. you saw what happened yesterday when they did try to move in a convoy of trucks and vehicles. they got hit hard by coalition air power. that said, they continue to be a dangerous threat. we've always said that. and we know, and we knew frankly as they came under more pressure in iraq and syria that they would revert and try to direct their attention to more
spectacular terrorist attacks like the one we saw in brussels, quite frankly, and inspired attacks like we saw in orlando. so this is a tactic we knew that they would go back to. it does show the degree to which they're under pressure. it also shows, as we've been honest, that they're still a dangerous group and we have to take them seriously. >> but you have to remember, critics start with the supposition of president obama calling isis a jv group, you know, a jv team. now it seems like you may be aware of what they're going to do, but you can't stop it. >> well, we're doing everything we can to stop it, chris, but it's very difficult, as you know, to be right 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, in every place around the world. all these guys have to do -- and if you're committed to blowing yourself up and killing yourself, all you have to do is be right once and you can have deadly consequences. again, as we've seen all too many times. but we're working very, very hard inside the u.s. government, in an interagency perspective, as well as with our international partners around the world to get better intel, to get better information, to share that in more realtime to
try to reduce the threat of these attacks. make no mistake, this group remains dangerous. we know they're looking at terrorist attacks against western targets and soft targets as a way to prove their relevance, to attract foreign fighters. i think your military analyst you had on earlier this morning got it exactly right. part of this is about being able to continue to attract recruits to their effort. by the way, they're suffering. they're losing leaders, about one every three days. they're losing fighters. you saw a big attack yesterday on their convoy. they are definitely suffering from a manpower perspective. doesn't mean they're down and out. but they are facing shortages that they're trying to recoup. >> you got to put that in the context of what the cia head says, which is he expects more of the attacks like the one we saw in istanbul, which fuels the fact that the threat is growing. obviously the secretary of state is involved in a lot of these
deals. the argument is the trade deals the united states is in almost invariably work to their disadvantage and need to be renegotiated. again, you don't want to talk about trump, but he's forwarding this argument, even against some of his own party elite. is it just the truth that nafta has cost us jobs, that our relationship with china works more for them than workers in the u.s.? >> look,ic the president spoke to this very well yesterday when he talked about the interconnectedness of the global economy. there's no way to put that back in the botd tle, nor should we try. the fact is international trade helps the united states and our economy. it helps create and foster new jobs. it helps us be able to have more influence around the world in ways we couldn't have otherwise. >> but isn't the question whom it helps. the argument would be, oh, yeah, it helps. it helps if you're a really rich person and want to invest in these foreign companies and play the trade imbalance and use those cheaper jobs. but it doesn't help the men and women who made the things in america that are no longer being
made here. >> well, the truth is that some of the things -- a lot of the things we make here are sold overseas. some of the things that we make here you cannot make without a sense of overseas trade and getting parts and supplies from around the world. the global economy is just so interconnected. there's no way to walk this back, nor should we try. the more we trade, the more influence we have overseas, the more influence that we have overseas, the better able we are to help try to shape the kinds of decisions that are good for not just our interests but for the interests of our allies and partners. international trade is absolutely vital. that's why the secretary has worked so hard on tpp and others issues around the world. >> it's not about whether or not trade is necessary. i think, you know, no matter what political flavor you are, you want trade. it's that what kind of deal are you getting out of the trade? is america giving up too much for this influence that you're discussing? are they doing it off the backs of american workers? >> look, again, i'm not going to get into debating campaign
rhetoric with the candidates. i would just tell you we believe strongly in the trade deals we have pursued, that they are the right deals, that they take all those measures into account. that they're actually trying to help grow our economy, increase our jobs, and actually raise the standards. tpp is a good example. raise the standards of employment and management practices, not just here, but around the world. there's a powerful influence here that i don't think is being fully contemplated when criticism about trade deals like tpp come up. the bottom line is that this is good for the united states economy. it's good for our workers. it's good for jobs here. >> john kerby, state department spokesperson. thank you. >> let's stay with trade. can donald trump attract bernie sanders supporters by highlighting their common stance on trade? we'll ask a top clinton supporter next.
is one thing that bernie sanders and i are in complete accord with. and that's trade. >> that was donald trump making an appeal to bernie sanders supporters, saying that he shares common ground with them on trade. so could that move sway the berners to trump? joining us now is delaware senator chris coons. what about that? bernie sanders and donald trump are more aligned in terms of their feeling about these trade deals, they don't like them, and hillary clinton has supported them in the past. do you think that will sway some bernie sanders supporters to trump? >> i don't think it'll have any impact on bernie sanders' followers in the democratic party. bernie sanders has had a consistent, reliable, long-time position on trade. and donald trump, what do we know about him? he puts his name on everything. so before we let him put his name on the white house, let's
take a look at what donald trump has put his name on. trump ties are made in china. trump suits are made in mexico. trump shirts are made in banglade bangladesh. so donald trump may be saying now in the heat of a campaign that he agrees with bernie sanders, the idea of a billionaire republican casino builder actually agreeing with bernie sanders i find somewhat interesting at the outset, but his actual practices show he's somewhat of a hypocrite because he has benefitted immensely from integrated globalized trade. >> but the history also shows that secretary clinton has also flip-flopped herself on trade. let's pull up some of the trade deals where she has a shifting position. in 1993, she supported nafta. or throughout the '90s. then she was against is in 2007. in 2011, she was against this colombia/u.s. trade deal, but then supported it in 2010. same is true of south korea deal with the u.s. then tpp she supported, as you know, pretty vociferously in 2010 and is against it now.
doesn't that hurt her with voters? >> well, i think it's important to look at where each candidate would take us going forward and how trade plays into that. donald trump's big theme for his whole campaign is let's build walls, let's build a wall with mexico, let's build a wall to keep out muslims, and let's raise tariffs and restore protectionism. let's go back not to the 1950s but the 1750s and make america great again by protecting america from the global economy. that's not realistic. hillary clinton does support active integration into the global economy. that benefits consumers. that benefits folks who work in manufacturing because it relies on exports. if you look at that the history, it's a history of looking closely at individual trade deals to see whether they're good for american workers or not good for american workers. i voted against the colombia free trade agreement in large part because colombia wasn't committed to protecting the environment and labor organizers at a level i thought was necessary.
but she has embraced the importance of open trade with our global partners. if we're going to compete against china, if we're going to set the rules for trade for the 21st century, a strong, well-written trade pact with our pacific partners could really lay the groundwork for that. i frankly think what you're seeing in secretary clinton was someone who is clear eyed about the opportunities of the 21st century and in donald trump someone who's during the campaign putting his head in the sand and saying that the global economy from which he's benefitted and where the products that he's put his name on have come from developing countries, he's now saying that he agrees with bernie sanders. >> sure. so you're saying even though she has shifted, that comes from analysis and that voters will forgive her for those shifting positions on trade. >> well, i think voters should recognize that she's someone with a temperament, experience, and insight into the global economy to recognize that we can't roll back globalization. we can't build walls between the united states, the world's leading economy, and the rest of the world and be successful.
trade deals have led to winners and losers in different sectors of our economy. i do think that secretary clinton as president would be a tougher and more effective trade goeshtd to be and trade enforcer than donald trump. >> senator, i want to ask you about this meeting that has come to light between attorney general loretta lynch and former president bill clinton. this week they met on, it sounds like a tarmac, on a plane, a private plane. they met together. >> i thi-- i think by themselve. loretta lynch has said this was monday evening in phoenix. she said this was just a social meeting. she asked about his granddaughter. many people have said, was this appropriate for the attorney general of the u.s. to be meeting with the husband of the candidate who is still in the middle of this ongoing e-mail investigation that the attorney
general is overseeing? what do you think about the impropriety or the appearance of that? >> well, i've just heard about this, this morning. my impression of the meeting was that the attorney general was coming into phoenix to give a speech about community policing and that the former president asked to talk to her briefly about community policing. i do agree with you that it doesn't send the right signal. i am impressed with attorney general loretta lynch, the work that she's done in combatting violent crime and leading the department of justice. she has generally shown excellent judgment and strong leadership in the department. i'm convinced she's an independent attorney general. i do think this meeting sends the wrong signal. i think she should have steered clear, even of a brief, casual social meeting with the former president. >> she should have said, no, thank you, i'm not available to meet right now. >> i think she should have said, look, i recognize you have a long record of leadership on fighting crime, but this is not the time for us to have that
conversation. after the election is over, i'd welcome your aid vidvice and in. >> senator chris coons, thank you for your perspective. >> thank you. >> we have breaking news on the istanbul terror attack. we know where the attackers are from. what does that tell us about isis and whom they are attracting? we're going to talk to senator angus king next.
does this mean this was the work of isis? joining us now is senator angus king of maine. you got a briefing last night, senator. what can you tell us about it, and how does this information maybe change what you were told? >> well, yesterday's briefing was more about isis and the war ongoing in syria and iraq. so we didn't get into this. this information wasn't available until late last night or early this morning. but i think it does indicate that this could well be, is likely isis. it certainly bore, as director brennan said, the hallmarks of an isis operation. a lot of people think of isis as strictly an arab, middle eastern group of people, but nfin fact, they've had fighters come from all over the world. as michael weiss pointed out this morning, some of the toughest and most dangerous of their fighters came from that region of russia and the caucasus. >> so people take the starting
point that isis is syria and the levant. they can also be from the caucasus, this area we're talking about now, and it speaks to their growing footprint, that they're growing, and that means we're losing. do you agree? >> well, it depends on how you define it. we're not losing on the ground in syria and iraq for sure. that was what the briefing was about yesterday. they've lost a tremendous amount of territory. they just lost fallujah. they lost a good deal of their army, as you saw last night in the air strikes. they're in a squeeze. i think the next target is going to be mosul in iraq and raqqah in syria. but, but they're going to try to maintain their international terrorist reputation, and i think attacks like we saw in istanbul are exactly the kind of thing they're going to do. in this weird world they live in, killing innocent people seems to be a recruiting tool. so it does make them more dangerous in that sense.
and they're establishing a presence in libya, wherever there's instability, they're going to be trying to set up shop. but there is something important about this, chris. i think, i hope, that this will wake up the russians that they have a real interest in, you know, helping us to get rid of assad in some way shape or form so that we can jointly take on this. they have a huge stake in eliminating the threat of isis. yesterday's attack in ankora by what appears to be people from their region of the country, i hope, is a wake-up call for those guys. >> we know that the russians and turks have recently resumed relations after a couple of deadly episodes involving the two militaries. this also gives them the ability, senator, i would suspect, to say leave assad alone. that's nothing to do with this situation. these people were from our ring of influence here, and that's
just as important to isis, using your own information, that these are some of their deadliest fighters so let's focus here. >> except assad is the irritant that gave birth to many respects in the levant. right now the people in syria that are trying to get their country back are fighting a two-front war. they're fighting assad. they're being bombed by his people and sometimes by the russians. they're also having to deal with isis, particularly in the far northeastern corner and the far eastern side of the country. so i think the russians have an opportunity here to help us, you know, ease assad out, take that part of the discussion off the table, then everybody can concentrate on isis. >> this happened at an airport. we have a weird debate going on in this country with airports. i say that because everybody's afraid of getting attacked, but they also don't want to wait in
tsa lines. what does this mean about our state of vulnerability? could this happen here? >> of course it could. we're a free country, chris. anywhere people gather, whether it's at an airport or a ball game or a fourth of july parade, that's a vulnerability. that's who we are as a country. we don't want to give that up. there's only one country in the world that i know that could promise you 100% security from an attack like this. that's north korea. i don't think any of want to live there. here's my problem with the airport issue. wherever you move the security perimeter, people are going to be lined up. so you can move the security perimeter ten miles away, and the attack will come 10.1 miles away. i don't think that's the answer. i think we do need more patrols, dogs, and protection along the perimeter of the airport, but simply moving those tsa lines out in the parking lot somewhere i don't eliminates the problem. the problem is people gathered together in a line. you go to a ball game, you have
to go through security, and there are long lines outside the stadium. in fact, paris. >> they killed a lot of people in paris who were lined up to go through security. >> we flow that well. we were there covering it and it seem there is is always opportunity if you're evil enough to find it. trump gave a big rally up in maine. his policy, foreign policy, america first. that smacks of the anti-war party in the 1940 election about isolationism. why is that the wrong approach in your mind? >> well, it depends on what you're talking about. isolationism in general is not only wrong in terms of the interest of our country, we live in an interconnected world and you can't do it. there is just too much going on back and forth. i do think that trump and bernie sanders and hillary clinton are all on to something, talking about the trade deals, and
whether or not we are adequately protecting our people and our workers and our jobs and our economy in terms of the deals that we strike. i've been critical of these. i voted against the fast track authority last winter. so you know, but if you go from let's negotiate better trade deals to let's be isolationist and cut ourselves off from the rest of the world, that's where it goes off the rails. >> i wish you the best for the 4th of july weekend. >> i'm headed to the airport. i'm not worried. >> be safe. take care, senator. >> thank you. millions of americans could be drinking water contaminated with lead, believe it or not. why aren't regulators doing more to fix this problem? that's next. ha, no, i switched to geico and got more. more? 24/7 access online, on the phone or with the geico app.
consider this. more than 18 million americans could be drinking contaminated water, and that number may include house staffers on capitol hill could be drinking it for months. are regulators doing enough to keep our water lead free. the natural resource defense council, put out a damming report on this issue. joining me now, eric.
good morning. >> good morning. >> we all watched what was happening and still is happening in flint, michigan, with frustration and for some people, down right anger. but unknowingly, a good chance that we were watching that while drinking, according to this report, one of the more than 5,300 community water systems that is violating lead and copper rules. how is that loud to happen? >> we have a widespread problem. a lot of people thought it was limited just to flint or a few communitie communities. we used epa's own data arcs and there is a widespread problem with lead and honestly, i think a lot of people would be surprised to know that their local community has a problem. >> we're talking big cities here. >> we're talking cities across the country, large cities, small towns. unfortunately, this isn't limited to just a few pockets. if you look at the maps that we were able to put together, from
epa's own data, you'll see it was really across the country in all 50 states. we've got some lead problems. >> the violations here, failure to treat, to reduce lead levels, failure to monitor for lead, failure to report test results, and you mentioned the epa regulations here. they know about this, and again, according to your report, 90% of the violations in drinking water systems faced no formal enforcement, only 3% faced penalties. why isn't the epa enforcing their own rules? >> that's exactly right. the epa and the states really have not been aggressively enforcing. we say that basically there is no cop on the beat to make sure the law is being enforced. i think the reason for that is in part, lack of resources at the state and federal level for enforcement, but there is a lack of will, honestly in a lot of these agencies, to really crack down on the problem. until we actually make it a priority to fix our
infrastructure to invest in it and to enforce the law, we're going to continue to have this problem. >> you are an attorney, does any of the activity or let's say inaction reach the level of criminal charges? >> well, in flint, we've see criminal charges filed already by the state attorney general where allegedly officials were covering the problem up. part of the report looked at the situation, and believe it or not, flint doesn't even show up on our map, because the violations were never reported. we're worried that this is a widespread problem, where water suppliers may be gaming the system to avoid showing up as having a violation and we really need to fix that problem. >> you also talk about cozy relationships which sounds like what we talked about in '08 and '09, the financial crisis. put some meat on the bone for us. >> we've got a lot of regulator whose hang out with the people
that they're supposed to be regulating, the folks providing the water. of course you want some cooperation there, but when you cross the line into becoming buddies and not willing to enforce against the system that's supplying contaminated water, that's where you have real problem and we need to break that coziness. >> eric, finally, as mothers and fathers are listening here, you've got ten seconds, they turb the eyebrow and look at the kitchen sink, what can they do to protect their family. >> first, ask their water to be tested. it is not that expensive. you can have it checked. you can also use a tap water filter if you're worried and have children. but you've got to make sure it removes lead. >> eric olson with the nrdc, thank you for being with us on "new day." >> thanks for having me. we're following breaking news on the terror attack. let's get to it. isis suffers set back. >> security is being ramped up at u.s. airports. >> will it happen here?
nobody can guarantee it won't. >> new information about tuesday's bombings. >> it was a scary moment. >> we heard people yelling. >> stop, stop. >> bernie sanders cannot stand hillary clinton. >> we know that the economy would be badly damaged if donald trump had his way. >> there is one thing that bernie sanders and i are in complete accord with. that's trade. >> it's not the measure of populism, xenophobia, or worst. >> the public needs to be told the truth about contamination in their water supply. >> why the epa is not doing more to protect our drinking water. >>announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. it is june 30, 8:00. and victor blackwell joins us again. we have breaking news to get to right now. this is out of the terror attack
at the istanbul airport. >> we're learning more about the suicide bombers, the details of who may have directed them as well. so let's get right to brooke baldwin, live at the airport with breaking details. brooke. yeah, good morning. number one, we now know the nationalities of these three different bombers. one man being from russia specifically. the dagestan region. if that sounds familiar to people in the u.s., that's where the boston bombers, the scerniva family. kyrgystan, how this plot, this triple suicide attack might have been directed. cnn is in touch with a turkish, senior turkish source, telling us there was strong evidence here, strong evidence that the bombers came specifically from the isis, the de facto capital raqqah. they had entered turkey about a
month ago and that they were specifically directed by isis leadership. in addition to that, according to the senior turkish source, we are learning that one of the men here, one of the bombers, the russian left his passport in his apartment here in a neighborhood in istanbul, and they have recovered his passport from dagestan specifically. we also, this morning, have new video here, showing just outside in the periphery of the airport, a local tv channel, showing this video, reportedly of the attacker shooting one of the security guards outside of the airport here in istanbul as this bomber was asked to show his identification. so we now have that piece, that visual piece for you this morning, and finally, as far as raids, it has been a busy morning here he is far as special operations. police have been concerned. they've been detaining total here, the latest number we have,
22 people detained, 16 specifically in different neighborhoods around the istanbul area, and others detained in a western coastal city here in turkey. finally, the last update, 43, the number of dead. the death toll has risen to 43. 94, chris and alisyn, victor are still in the hospital. >> all right, brooke, thanks so much. let's talk about the airports here in the u.s. beefing up security at the nation's airports. the high alert coming after the -- or head of the 4th of july holiday and law enforcement weighing an extension of security perimeters at airports. cnn aviation expert, rene marsh with more. rene. >> reporter: good morning, victor. it's going to be a very busy travel holiday. leading up to the 4th of july, estimated 43 americans will travel. the majority of them will drive,
but some 3 million will fly, and this is the concern area. all of this, the area before you get to the tsa checkpoint. it's called the soft target area. its ae it's filled with passenger, but not as secure. as we've seen overseas, terr terrorists are looking to take advantage of that. this is the first line of defense at airports across the country. what we're seeing now is conversations happening within the department of homeland security as to whether this first line of defense needs to be extended. perhaps what does that look like. maybe that first line of defense is at the front door, perhaps at the parking lot. the agency has not come up with an effective way to extend that perimeter line, but what i can tell you is we're seeing some airports around the country stepping up their security presence on the perimeter of the airport because of that concern
about protecting the soft target. back to you, chris. >> all right, i'll take it. thank you very much. let's bring back brooke baldwin and former cia counterterrorism, phillip mudd and contributing writer for "the daily beast," kimberly doser. let's start with the new information we're getting about this. the raids, they picked up about two dozen people from about just as many raids. we don't know whether that's connected to this incident or they're just doing a sweep, as you suggested earlier, phillip. we know that the nationalities are going to sound strange to the american audience. they're not from syria, iraq, the middle east. they're from russia and dagestan region. explain that tous. >> couple things you've got to think about here. traditional areas that supply fighters to the old war zones, afghanistan, western pakistan, we've seen islamic extremism before. that's why the russians are so
heavily involved in syria. they're worried about their citizens going to raqqah. the second message, chris, simple and it relates to america. when you look at the tradition thatle it error organizations, it takes a lot of effort for a terror organization to say i want to use foreign fighters coming in, not to serve an cannon fodder here, but to train them over the course of time go home. what this is telling us is the foreign fighter element of isis is focused on saying these guys might be helpful in a fight in raqqah, they're more helpful if they go to paris, turkey, maybe america. >> raqqah, why does matter? >> a message from isis to turkey, stop cooperating with the united states. turkey has started tightening up its borders, built fences, turned some people back who are trying to reenforce isis's ranks. isis is under pressure by u.s. backed rebels from the north and by russian backed syria forces coming in from the west.
this is a way to distract attention from those imminent military losses on the battle field. >> kimberly, let's let people in on a conversation before. when they hear other countries involved other than the ones they're familiar with, and cia is saying there will be more attack, it seems to suggest that we are losing against isis. how is this winning? >> isis is suffering on the battle field, losing in places like fallujah, losing territory inside syria, but pushing its operations to other ungoverned spaces. it's like pushing air in a balloon, push it from one area, it extends elsewhere, there is fertile ground in people in those regions, government unstable, security forces that are weak, people without opportunities. isis is a banner they want to follow. >> brooke, on the ground there, what you're hearing from the officials about the numbers racking up in detentions, you say be careful about
contributing or connecting that to this event specifically. what other explanation is there, then? >> you know, i think in the wake of a horrific attack like this, istanbul, brussels or paris, i think people are on even a higher alert, right, in the wake of 43 people being killed in the airport. so immediately in the aftermath, you have special operations, police forces, hitting certain neighborhoods and rounding up people. you know, whether or not they are connected to these three bombers who as we're getting guidance from the senior turkish official came, you know, via south and central asia, russia through then sirrsyria, back in. as far as the suicide vests and the explosive vests that were used here, those devices specifically came from outside of turkey, right. so they were brought in, and a lot of terror attacks where you have these devices, you have the
bomb maker, and then you have those who carry out the attacks, two different sets of people, we know again, so chris, those devices came outside of turkey and these three had been living in turkey, in istanbul, for about a month. >> brooke, relevance? >> when you're having a presidential campaign what happens in syria, there is a question among americans about why do i care. let me tell you why. it's the question of time. a terror group goes through a stages of graduation to sophistication. initially let's go against local police station, the local government, as they mature, as isis matures, they're going to have elements that say now we have bigger fish to fry, as al qaeda did 15 years og, london, washington, new york, we're going develop not only the infrastructure to bring in thousands from western europe, who can go back, but also develop infrastructure like suicide vests they can use. this is about the enemy of time when you're facing a terror
group that ultimately decides our enemy is overseas. >> and remember, they had this technology before. isis is made up of the original remnants of al qaeda of iraq. they had suicide bomb vests factories, so this is an old technique. repurposed for a new war. >> now, how does this play out in the election here? people are afraid, they don't want to see more taxes. it seems from the information about what's going on, isis is not on the run. and then that leads to what do we do. you'll hear donald trump, getting a lot of enthusiasm around him. why am i not mentioning clinton. because she is not espousing anything different than what's being done right now. trump is. he say they play dir dirty, we are soft and weak. waterboarding he uses as one example. this gets the sour face from phil mudd. they're chopping off our heads, why don't we project our
strength. >> let me be clear. an a fiction of a political campaign, let's have a realistic conversation. cia got just -- senate was advised, white house supported this. year later, we have a president of the united states, aim not disagreeing with what he says, it is a fact, he referred to it as torture. the department of justice says we should never do this again, and senate cast gaiting for people like me in 15 years ago. in the midst of this, you have president that says i'm going to ask them to do this again, you know what they're going to say, no. >> until they're told. >> no, they're not. furthermore, he is going to have to get an attorney general that goes to the senate and white house and says i will prove legally what the department of justice in the past said this is illegal. the cia is going to say it is not whether it is right or wrong, we're not doing it again. >> why not? >> the other thing is -- >> it either works or it
doesn't. >> it is exactly what isis wants. when you go on the ground, anywhere in the middle east, the torture, waterboarding, that becomes a includes celeb that isis uses to recruit. it is the exact opposite of what security officials want to see when they're trying to rob the ranks of isis, not add to them. >> but does that really get you any where that satisfactory, that is satisfying, because they chop people's heads off. they make films of slicing people's heads off. that's what works for them. the question is are we not doing things that work equally well for us, because we're living under this illusion of moral superiority. >> that's not the question my colleag colleagues would have. the next president is going to come in and say not only did what you do be considered as torture, they're going to say maybe you're subject to a
lawsuit. i've got friend whose are subjects to lawsuits for what they did then. they're going say, the next president is going to say this is torture. it is not about what isis wants, it is about learning lessons of the past 15 years. >> and look at what the u.s. forces are doing right now, targeting external operations, people who planned paris and brussels attacks, they're taking them out at a remarkable rate, more than hundreds so far. that's the kind of thing that will ultimately defeat them military, at least inside syria. >> helpful to have the conversation with somebody who was doing the job and somebody who has done the job on the ground and knows what it works. kimberly, mr. mudd, as always. brooke, thank you as well. you'll be on stand by for the rest of the morning for us and cnn. victor. let's stay with the race. republican infighting ramping up again, just three weeks before he accepts his nomination. blasting his rivals for not
abiding to support the nominee. jason carroll joins us with more. >> victor, the battle continues. president obama and donald trump going toe to toe on trade policy. trade summit in canada, calling the presumptive nominee for not having a true populous message. >> president obama laying into protectionist trade agenda as not feasible, calling it a p prescription that won't help workers, but hurt them. >> withdrawing from trade deals, and focusing solely on your local market, that's the wrong medicine. our auto plants, for example, would shut down if we don't have access to some parts in other parts of the world. >> speaking at a rally in maine, trump again laid out his plan which calls for pulling out of nafta, north american trade agreement, his proposals drawing criticism not just from the
left, trump firing back at the usually gop friendly u.s. chamber of congress. >> where the united states chamber of congress is upset with me. we're going to lose a trade warmewar. we're already losing the trade war, folks. >> live tweeting during trump's economic speech on tuesday, under trump's trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs, and weaker economy. trump, now accusing the chamber of being controlled by special interest groups, boasting that if elected, he can negotiate better deals. >> we lost the trade war. they're getting killed. nothing can happen worst than what is happening now. >> the presumptive gop nominee, threatening agreements with china in the process. >> i want to renegotiate a deal. i want to terminate the deal and do a good deal. and that's all i want. >> the president, making a point to dismiss trump's so-called populous message. >> they don't suddenly become
populous because they say something drocontroversial in or to win votes. that's not the measure . >> trying to appeal to sanders supporters. >> bernie sanders cannot stand hillary clinton. you wouldn't think this, but there is one thing that bernie sanders and i are on complete accord with, and that's trade. he said we're going ripped off. i say we're being ripped off. >> trump also taking a swipe at old foes, for their lack of support. >> you know, these people signed the pledge. remember, they all wanted me to sign the pledge. in my opinion, they should never be allowed to run for public office again. >> trump's allies aren't letting up attacking elizabeth warren's heritage, howie car, by macking the senator. >> you know elizabeth warren,
right. >> picking up on trump's incessant jabs, calling warren pocahont pocahontas. >> that's elizabeth warren. >> more on the battle trump is having with the u.s. chamber of commerce, they point to an op-ed he wrote for cnn about the global economy. no calls for pulling out of nafta, instead, trump wrote, the future of europe as well as the united states depends on a global economy. all of us must work together toward that significant common goal. the chamber is saying that trump of 2013 is much better than the trump we see today. >> yes, we will be talking to sam clovis, his strategic manager about that shift. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> if donald trump is taking on his own party, whose support is he looking to attract exactly? a top member of his campaign will join us next.
>> they don't suddenly become a populist because they say something controversial in order to win votes. that's not the measure of populism. that's nativism. or xenophobia. or worst. >> let's talk about this, sam clov clovis, for the trump campaign. >> how you doing, alisyn. thanks for having me on. >> thanks for being here. the president is saying he is masquerading as a populist, he used to be for the global economy and trade deals and now rails against them. >> well, i don't know what you're -- what you expect a reaction here. it is the modern populism, the united states understands that.
this has been one of the things missing in the entire dialogue over this election cycle. the true understanding of what is going on when we have a conservative populism, modern populism, this does not date back to the political science definition that barack obama wants to trout out -- >> what is it, sam? >> well, i think the modern populist is one that understands that global player, we should be the leader in the world on the global stage. in fact, we ought to put american interests first, inn doing so. if we do not put american interests first, what we end up with is what we have. and that's crohn kneecni capita. we have the chamber of commerce who fuel and fund reelection
campaigns for members of congress. and this whole notion that they are looking out for the american people is absolutely wrong. they raises barriers to entry, picks winners and losers, allows the trade deals, in facts, go to the larger corporations. the larger corporations concentrate their industry, become fewer and fewer competitors, which raises prices for consumers. if we're out here fighting for the american people and that's the modern populism that a lot of people don't seem to be able to get their heads around in this town or new york. >> part of the problem, many people think it is different as recently as 2013, where he exstolled the virtues -- >> alisyn, we're not going away from a global economy. we understand, we're involved in it. >> yes, but when you say, sam --
>> we're going to put american interests first. we have lost 50,000 manufacturer companies since china has entered the w.t.o. 50,000. millions of jobs have left. >> and then why -- >> tell me that's a good idea. tell me why only certain companies benefited? >> -- in bangladesh and china. >> because he had he is a businessman. >> you're conflating. >> why didn't he always feel that strongly? >> good lord, have you felt the same thing about everything in your life since you can recognize the fact that you had an understanding of anything? tell me, you've never changed your mind, alisyn. i doit that seriously. we've all changed our minds. >> manufacturing and jobs were good? >> i think what he said is, if you take it -- you're taking it
out of context. we understand where we play in a global economy. he has a responsibility to go out and do those things, and now what he has done and he has taken his time to examine issues, and i think that as we have talked about oftentimes and we overuse the word, evolution in thought, and here we are today, looking at where we are, $700 billion trade deficit, the fact that we've lost 50,000 manufacturing companies, millions of jobs exported over sea, and what are the americans getting out of it the. capital, residing off shore. we can't seem to bring it back. why, because we have politicians that have no courage. talk about the courage issue here. i want to make one thing clear about something. i know this isn't in the script. i want to tell you one thing. i am a veteran. i spent 29 years in uniform in this country. we had a benghazi report that was issued in the last week. i want to tell you right now. the lack of courage, the cowards
of the leadership of this country is shameful. it is despicable. that ought to be an issue that people ought to be talking about, and i don't hear near enough about the fact that we left americans behind, and i will tell you the tradition of this country is to never leave americans behind, and that to me is some of the most despicable behavior i've ever seen out of public officials. >> sam, we thank you for your service. >> you bet. >> absolutely. but we also, let's talk about something else that should appeal to you as a serviceman. waterboarding. so donald trump has been talking about waterboarding. the u.s. banned it. another veteran, john mccain, said he opposes torture, as you can imagine why. why is mr. trump so in favor of waterboardi waterboarding. >> he is in favor of enhanced interrogation techniques. we've looked at this in the campaign. we do have laws right now that exist that constrain those
actions. i think the president still has authority under certain circumstances to impose and enhance interrogation techniques. we fully understand that. having been trained and having been water boarded myself, it is the most unpleasant thing i've ever endured in my life, and -- >> so what does he think mr. trump will get out of this? though despite the fact that the fbi and many in the cia said it never produced actionable intelligence? >> well, i don't know that is actually accurate. i think you have opinions on the fact that it may not have developed that but i think it is a matter of opinion on whether or not it worked or didn't work. because there are other reports out there that say it did work. it led to actionable intelligence. >> look, let me just -- just to be clear. i'm basing -- >> discovering the networks. >> there were these 6,700 classified pages that came out of the cia that the senate
looked at and determined that wat water boarding was not effective. they concluded they could have gotten the same information from traditional interrogation. >> that may be, but we were using waterboarding at the time. hindsight, it is a matter of what you look at. if we learn something from that that's a positive issue. but i also know that we were able through time, and using some of these enhanced interrogation techniques, we were able to unravel a lot of the networks. it may not have stopped an attack, but you're conflating issues here, alisyn. what we're really saying is there are other techniques we could use here. if we are able to unravel networks, able to discover sources, able to discover cells and pockets and training areas through this process, then perhaps we ought to look at the full array of techniques we have
available to us and we ought to use those techniques that produce the most material. >> so if mr. trump becomes president, he would bring backwater boarding and interrogation techniques. >> that is not at all what he has ever said. >> i'm asking you. >> i'm telling you what the issue is. we will consider it. it is something that has to be considered. we also have to follow the law. and we would not do this without consultation with congress. we would not doing this without talking to the commanders in the intelligence community. because we would have to find the best possible way to gather intelligence. whether it be for immediate tactical action or long-term strategic action. we will consult and, i wish this is something that more people would actually think this through, rather than just making declarety statements out here. this is nonsense to think that we're not going to be collaborative, that we're not going to consult, not going to go to the experts, that we're not going to follow the law. i absolutely find it just, you
know, incredible that people can't think these things through. >> well, hold on sam. >> they throw this stuff at the wall and hope it sticks. >> it is donald trump, if i may quote donald trump, i would bring backwater boarding. i would bring back a hell of a lot worst than waterboarding. he is the one making the declaretiv statement. >> that's true, we would bring it back after we consult with congress and intelligence community, the military and all others to find out what is the best possible way to protect this country. that's what the president is charged with doing. and that's what this president will do. >> sam clovis, great to have you on "new day." >> thanks, alisyn. >> victor. u.s. hitting isis hard, targeting a convoy of fighters leaving fallujah. we'll have a live report, next.
barbara starr with the latest. >> we have a good deal of information about all of this. first, south of fallujah, the u.s. military now saying there were a series of u.s. and iraqi air strikes south of fallujah on a number of isis vehicles, seen leaving the area. the u.s. calculates its own air strikes destroyed about 55 isis vehicles, iraqi destroying a good number more, and perhaps dozens if not hundreds of isis fighters dead. that, near fallujah. near ramadi, it struck about 120 isis vehicles, the iraqis striking even more. why are these two air strikes so unusual and significant, it has been a long time since isis moved in such a manner with such a large number of troops, presenting themselves as a very reddy target for air strikes.
chris, alisyn. >> barbara, thank you very much. of course, all this reporting is subject to con if i wefirmation. barbara starr is always on it. let's discuss the implications with clarissa ward. what do you make of the idea of going slow on this, you don't know if isis did this as a diversion or who these people were that were there and killed. how immediate can you assess the situation? >> well, i think as barbara said, it is a highly unusual situation for isis to be traveling in what appears to have been a massive convoy. traditionally, isis is pretty quick to adapt to the environment around them to these relentless air strikes that have been going on now for two years. so it's highly unusual to see a huge movement of isis military personnel like that. one can only begin to speculate why they would move so many vehicles in such a large convoy with the inevitable result of
having so many casualties. are they trying to create a diversion. were they the ones driving the vehicles. were they trying to escape an implement onslaught on the city of fallujah. where were they moving out of ramadi when were told it has been cleared. this is highly unusual, and at this stage, it raises more questions than answers, chris. >> clarissa, help us understand this paradoxle report. isis is losing ground we're told, the u.s. and coalition are winning the fight on the ground in iraq and syria. trying to contain isis. on the run. isis fighters being killed, and yet, isis deadly attacks continue to happen as we've seen tragically in istanbul and orlando and elsewhere. >> okay, well, so first things first. we have to be careful about using words like winning. there can be no doubt that isis is in much worse shape now than they were a weyear ago.
the coalition has been hitting hard at its oil infrastructure, its main source of revenue, nibbling around the edges of syria and iraq, we've seen a big push in libya. no question that isis is on the back foot now. it's important to remember, their whole motto is remaining and expanding. if they are not expanding, that hurts their credibility. if they are shrinking, that hurts their credibility even more. at the same time, they still have large swaths of territory, they still control raqqah and mosul, and they can plan and carry out major attacks like the one we saw at istanbul airport, which appear to have been planned in the isis capital of raqqah, they can still continue to plan those kinds of attacks and to carry out those attacks, even with less territory. they are like a virus, mu tate to survive. we see them a physical actual
caliphate that has territory on the ground, to a virtual caliphate. one that operates largely online. and ultimately, i would say that it's the virtual caliphate, the countries that the u.s. need to be more worried about, because that's how you see case like orlando, omar mateen, inspired by online propaganda, already radicalized, but looking for a direction, and as long as isis is able to harness all that anger, they will continue to reek a lot of havoc. >> so this is the frustration, how do you kill an idea. many here are feeling, once again, that the answer is more involvement on the ground. get in there with the best warriors in the world, u.s. forces, and take these people out once and for all. we've heard this before. what is the risk factor? >> well there are a number of risk factors. i've spent a lot of time in areas that have been recently
liberated by isis. the reality is that the u.s. proxies on the ground there largely comprise of kurdish fighters do not have a good relationship with any of the sunni arabs who make up the majority of syrians. if you're talking about marching into the city of raqqah or marching into mosul in iraq, you cannot do that with a force that is mostly comprised of arabs, sorry, rather of kurds. now, would u.s. troops have better luck marching on cities or trying to take those cities, of course they would, but at the same time, you are then talking about being drawn into a long, dirty battle in which many american lives could be lost. >> clarissa, it is so complicated. thank you for walking through this. we appreciate your expertise this morning. do you remember the hashtag
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time now for the five things to know for your new day. turkish sources tell cnn there is strong evidence isis leadership was involved in planning the istanbul airport attack and the tackers had been in syria recently. up to 250 isis terrorists killed in a series of air strikes in iraq, a u.s. official says the terrorists were trying to escape fallujah. donald trump expected to keep pushing his anti-trade measure. ripping up trade deals is quote the wrong medicine. former london mayor, boris johnson, against running after a movement to leave the eu. michael phelps heading back to the olympics, the first for five olympics. for more on the five things to know, go to new day cnn.com for the latest. so after these complaints
talking about a lot of issues, but in part, blasting the rish sha -- racial divide. now the most diverse class ever, after two straight years of all white acting. joining us now, michelle turner and christopher farley. good to have both of you. >> thank you. >> i want to start here, there has been this hashtag of oscar so white. we've seen the nominees. 683 new members, largest class, most diverse ever, 41% people of color, 46% female. we'll get to the larger issues in a minute. this is a start. >> it is a start. it only pushed things ahead a little bit, if some of these members actually decide to join the academy, but you know, they had to do something. other award shows were making fun ever them. the bet is making fun of them. the tony's are making fun of them. when other award shows are
making fun of yours, the oscars had an image problem and this is the first step in trying to deal with that image problem. >> michelle, just the start, even with this diverse class, it only brings the number of people of color up to 11%. >> right. no, absolutely. you're right. it is just a start. but i also think we need to keep in mind throughout the whole conversation. this is not just an academy problem. it is an industry wide problem. so to make these strides in one year and have these numbers of people you invite to the academy, it is a very good start. and i think it does say something as well. when you look at some of the members, the specific people that were invited, these were younger activist type of actors and actresses and people that have very specific voices that are not afraid to use them. it is a really interesting class. i think it is a class that could make some waives. i think, you know it, will be
interesting to see the nominations in this year coming forward. >> but -- >> interesting points, because some of the people that are on the list of being invited to be part of the academy, you wonder why won't these people -- >> 25 years after boys in the hood, $1.5 billion in ticket sales. >> just being invited, you're now getting around to jessica al barks part of the academy, very difficult to become a member of the academy. you can't just join. you can't just sign up. can't just pay dues. you have to have two sponsors to be part of it. that's part of the reason why, it remains so overwhelmingly male and white and people of color have been locked out of being part of the voting academy. >> you make the point this is not just about diversity, not just being laughed at, it is about money. >> it is about money. more increasingly, the people that buy tickets to see films, over 50% are people of colors.
if you put on shows like the last oscars whose ratings were down, not nominating people of color, your ratings will go down, it will hurt you at the box office. this might happen at the oscars, unless the industries are producing more films that feature people of color. this year, we are looking at the birth of nation, denzel washington will probably get oscar attention if it comes out this year. but not a whole lot of other stuff in the pipe line and the hopes are resting on a few films that generate some real oscar buzz. >> michelle, let's talk about the pipeline. there is a goal by 2020 to make the academy more diverse. of course, you need to hire directors, actors, technicians, to be able to fill that pipeline. is there of any movement on that front, aside from the academy, in the industry? >> well, you know, i think it is very interesting. this is a conversation i've been having recently about what
audiences are starting to look like, you know, television, film, audiences like chris just mentioned. they are browning. they really are. they're getting more diverse. i think if you look at television right now, you are starting to see a lot more diversity. you're starting to see television shows that are casting, you know, multicultural audiences. so i do think there is some movement, but again, i have to stress that it is a big issue. so it is not something that we're going to see turn around in a year. i think it is kind of that you have to crawl before you walk, and i do think we're seeing a little bit of that. sharon boone isaacs is committed to diversity and committed to doing what she can to make changes in this industry. it is one of those things where you know you do have that frustration, but you've got to understand -- >> it takes time. >> absolutely. i think that's one of them here. you guys, really quickly, though, you talked about some of
the people you were surprised to see, and i do agree with like the ice cubing, patty la pone, i was floored they were not members of the academy. >> thank you both. >> thanks. >> what is your take? tweet us or post your comments on our facebook page. the good stuff is coming up next. getting faster. huh? detecting threats faster, responding faster, recovering faster. when your security's built in not just bolted on, and you protect the data and not just the perimeter, you get faster. wow, speed kills. systems open to all, but closed to intruders. trusted by 8 of 10 of the world's largest banks.
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we love the stories that show that people are not their limitations. >> overlap of doing well and good. >> nice. >> and so valuable for the community, also. great story. thank you. victor, great to work with you. >> great week. thanks for having me. >> see you again. >> all right, time for "newsroom" with carol costello. take a t away. "newsroom" starts now. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you so much for joining me. planned by isis, senior government source telling cnn that the terror group's leaders appear to have helped plot the attacks on istanbul's airport. this, after we learn the nationalities of the three suicide bombers. they're from russia, and kyrgyzstan. there is strong evidence they entered turkey from the strong hold of raqqah and syria. counterterrorism troops have detained 22 people, including several