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11 p.m. on the east coast, 6 a.m. on istanbul, the sun rising on a city reeling from the bloody airport attack that killed 44 people. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. police desperately looking for clues, searching a neighborhood for information about the money believ -- men believed to have carried out the attack. ahead of the july fourth weekend, americans wonder are terror fears the new normal? i want to go to nima elbagir in istanbul. we're learning more about the people involved in this attack. what do we know? >> reporter: we are.
the turkish authorities have identified their nationalities but not their names, a russian, a kyrgyzstan and their operation they say they believe was overseen, planned and controlled by the top levels of isis leadership. they also say the suicide vest, the explosives, some pretty powerful explosives. among that mix they found petn, a military grade explosion i, that was also manufactured out of the country and brought in, which rings some pretty big alarm bells about the ability of these foreign fighters to move so easily, don. >> tell us about their neighborhood, their apartment, what people are saying, because
you were there today, of these three bombers. >> reporter: the neighborhood where they rented their apartment for an entire month, they are hold up there for a whole month is actually right in the heart of the tourist district here in istanbul, yet it is an area that has been of real concern to authorities as the site of a home-grown terror threat. it's been the site of several pro-isis rallies. but neighbors were telling us that they had always had a sense about these men, that they had been very concerned about the fact that these men had been isolated, that the curtains in the apartment that they'd been renting hadn't been drawn. and then towards the end over the last few days, two days in fact just before the attack, they started to smell this chemical smell, this strong chemical smell. one woman was telling us that it was permeating the entire building. and many of those we spoke to didn't want to appear on camera, don. you could really feel that it
had weighed on them that they hadn't taken any of these concerns to authorities sooner. >> it is 6:02 in istanbul. that's where nima elbagir is reporting live. i want to bring in the co-author of "the daily beast," bernard kerik, former commissioner, juliette kayyem and michael weiss. people say i knew something was wrong, they were hold up in the apartment. what gives here? >> well, people are afraid to say something. the characters looked suspicious i imagine. who know what is they were doing to draw that suspicion, but in every one of these si
circumstances, as you just mentioned, there was some sort of suspicion, which puts us in the new arena on how we're dealing with the suspects and circumstances. are people going to report? they have to be in a position where they can call the authorities anonymously, report suspicious activity. i think we live in a new world now where we have to do this. >> especially now as we are approaching the holiday weekend, it is of utmost importance. because of what happened in fallujah, there is concern now that this may be -- there may be retaliation. and it could be here in the united states. you heard officials say that. >> don, in the last hour since i was on an hour ago with you, about an hour ago, i've gotten numerous text messages from chiefs of police that are talking now about the rules of engagement for local and national police, state police. the use of force. are we in a position now where the rules of engagement must
change? the responding police officers, local police officers may have to respond to an incident like this where somebody may have a suicide vest. they may have ieds, they may plan secondary or tertiary attacks. >> do they feel prepared? >> no. the local police, you know, instinctively, no. they're not prepared for these things. and i think we have to train -- we have to change the way we train our local police and the state police. s.w.a.t. teams, special operations teams have to be much more pro active in their training than they are now. you know, some s.w.a.t. teams may get activated once in a lifetime but the way it's going now, those calls may come quicker than you think. >> that's a perfect segue for juliette kayyem. at home, you heard what the commissioner said, what does one do to feel safe to take care of
yourself during this season? and always. >> and always. so it's two things. it's educate yourself and engage. bernie was talking about the local police officers, sort of the government side of it, but there's a lot that we can do as members and citizens of our own homeland. so education, the see something, say something. you smell something funky from a neighbor that smells like bomb-making materials, say something. learn the rules, and this is horrible to say, of active shooter. a lot of people don't know that we train that you run first, you hide second and you engage last. that is going to save the most number of lives. and then in terms of engagement, you know, we're in a sort of political atmosphere. i don't mean this political. the most successful engage minute strategy for any local police department or local law
enforcement is to engage the communities that they are in charge of. that's why you see in new york, l.a., boston engagement with minority communities, arab communities, muslim communities because it is those communities that are going to know when something is going on. there's a lot we can do in individuals. unfortunately people in my world tend to talk in a way in which we either make people tune out or freak out. we have to communicate in a way to give people knowledge in a time that is a little nerve racking. >> i want to you listen to what donald trump just said tonight about isis and people coming into the united states. >> not only this country allowing thousands and thousands of people into our country, who many of these people are isis. i have no doubt about it. i used to say, well, maybe but now i have no doubt about it. >> is there any evidence of
that, colonel francona? >> i don't think there's any evidence of it. we know isis said they're going to try to exploit the refugee situation to get in people. if you believe other people, they believe they're already here exploiting the weakened -- the lack of a strong presence on the southern border. so i've not seen any evidence but how do we know? i think the bigger problem is not isis sending someone here. i think the bigger problem is isis inspiring someone here. i think that's probably something we need to look at. as juliette said, that's where the engagement of the community comes in. >> i don't think i've ever heard a bigger sigh in my life, i'm not sure if you guys heard it, from michael weiss. why is that, michael? >> the data doesn't support what he is saying. i read a piece from "the daily beast" a few days ago looking at
about a dozen cases of isis-inspired attacks, in every case bar one -- before san bernardino -- every case bar one you're talking about american citizens, and that's people not trying to emigrate to syria but are trying to strike at the u.s. homeland. you have in some cases white people who convert to islam who would not be on any kind of radar according to mr. trump's national security policy. in terms of blocking immigration, again these are the children of immigrants, people who have been here their entire lives, educated in american universities, some were getting advanced degrees, some were former military, sons or daughters of police captains. there was a famous case of a cheer leader who decided to convert to islam, linked up with someone and wanted to go jihad in syria.
the threat is different than the threat on the homeland. the better track record of immigrant simulation in the united states and europe. and number two, that's geography, including a big ocean that separates us from libya or iraq. you can literally drive from raqqa to france and get to england easily through the tunnel. it's not that easy to come here. >> it's simple geography. just to be clear, as we want to inform our audience here coming up to july fourth weekend, see something, say something. is it that simple? >> mandatory. call 911, let them deal with it. we live in a world in one that is very different than we lived with on 9/11 and it's getting
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talk radios, oh, my god. dennis prager, let's start with you. you all three have radio shows. be honest with me. what are you hearing about the state of the republican race? >> i have to be honest with you, as i always am, don. a talk show host hears to a certain extent what he has in effect scheduled in the sense that if i speak x, then i will get calls with regard to x or anti-x. so it's very hard to say, to be honest, maybe my colleagues here will know better. i can't tell you what they're all thinking. i can tell you there is turmoil in the republican party. i think everybody knows that. my own position as you well know is that donald trump was my 17th choice of 17 people. but i said at the beginning, if he's the nominee, he's pro preferably to any democrat.
i stand by that at this time and i think a lot of republicans feel the way i do. are you done, john? >> you're a good man. i am done. >> we just got out of a very bruising primary where everyone picked a side and donald trump was the one that made it and all the other guys and gals dropped out at a secertain point. they're really upset and have hurt feelings but when november rolls around, it's going to be a multiple choice exam, not an essay. they're going to have two choices, donald trump and hill -- hillary clinton. they isn't don't want hillary. >> dennis fredericks?
>> number 17, he was my choice number 1. the elite republican establishment of washington has no clue as to what is going on around them. they are surrounded by their washington d.c. donor base class that continues to give them money in order to ship jobs all over the world and depress wages. when you think about those in the republican elite that don't want to back trump or they don't want to make the public endorsement or whatever, you got to think to yourself tonight, does the steel worker in pennsylvania, the coal worker in virginia, does the plant manager in ohio that has seen his wages gone down and his job's at risk, does he care tonight that mitch mcconnell or paul ryan or some 18-month u.s. senator in nebraska that they never heard of is not publicly endorsing donald trump? they could care less.
>> so now we're getting somewhere. and that's what you're hearing from your callers? >> absolutely. i have a very unique audience. i have a blue collar, working cla class audience, they're in pickup trucks and they're punching a clock. they understand what's going on out there. these elites in d.c. who go and in washington and say i'm not comfortable with this or that, they don't understand what's going on around them. they are tone deaf. >> let me ask you this. today i heard several people because everywhere i go people ask me about donald trump, several people said i used to think he was going to win, i thought he was going to win. now i don't think he's going to win because he continues to say things that -- they say silly things or things that someone of his ilk, someone running for president should not be saying.
they think the words coming out of his mouth are the word that are going to hurt him instead of help him become the president of the united states. you're not hearing that? >> look, donald trump is evolving as a candidate. this is not a politician. this is not what he does -- >> he does not seem to be evolving, though. it's a simple question. i'm not saying anything good or bad about him, i'm just telling you what i'm hearing. so i'm having a conversation with you. you don't hear that from people? i hear it all the time. >> look, you hear it all the time but the fact of the matter, don, is that he is evolving. if you look at the -- if you look at the rasmussen poll that came out today, he's now ahead of clinton. he's gained 9 in two weeks. at the end of the day, it's his policies and his message. >> let the other guys get in. >> it's a movement. >> go ahead, dennis. >> i think there's another factor here. first, i don't trust any poll
whether they say he is ahead or behind. i think brexit or a whole host of recent polls ought to sober her to the fact that people are afraid to be politically incorrect to pollsters. >> even over the phone you think? >> even over the phone, that is correct. they so i think there is another issue here. i have no idea when and who, i make no predictions. this is the only time in my lifetime i could see either candidate winning in a land slide. i've er i'ver in and that is bringing in millions of people who simply haven't voted before. that's a reality. >> you always tell me the truth, but you're speaking the truth and i thought the same thing because you just don't know. john phillips, what do you
think? john fred ricks said he's a involving. do you hear that from your callers? >> the public is upset. i think they make certain allowances for krup and the polls have been completely skits dprenic. a couple of weeks ago, he had one of the word now he's bounced back in the national polls and he's doing poorly in the swing states. who know what is to believe. >> then there's a pole that shows among republican support, you among republican support, he has less support than he had a
month ago, all to your evolving point. there it is right there. >> i don't think he's evolving to be honest. but i'll tell you this, i think that both johns, john fredericks has said this but we don't agree on our assessment of trump, even though four more years of joe biden or of elizabeth warren, it doesn't matter. in my view they're interchangeable. she just happens to be of lower character than the rest, but they all have the same policies and the thought of having a sport for the rest of my life, that is on the left. and i mean not liberal. i think that should be sobering. >> and you're a very young man. you have a long life ahead of
you. what is a. dennis, i don't think this election is going to be about i don't want hillary clinton or i don't want want joe biden. i think it's going to be i want donald trump because he is the common dear right now of a movement that is sweeping across america that nobody seems to understand or be able to grasp because they're all looking at it through an eye lens. trump is going to win this election by trump and his polici policies. >> so this is is all recorded. if he wins, i'll have you back on and say you predicted it. if he doesn't win, i'll have you back on and say you know what,
you were wrong. >> thank you. i'll be right and you'll all be eating crowe i guess, right? >> i'm just here to facilitate. i promise you i will have you all back. i love this conversation. >> thank you. >> thank you. donald trump names his running mate the neb few days. and will that help him with voters and this party? drive with uber and put a dollar sign in front of your odometer. like this guy. technically i'm a cook. sign up here. drive a few hours a day. make $300 a week. actually it's a little bit more than that. that's extra buy-you-stuff money. or buy-them-stuff money. calling all early risers, nine-to-fivers and night owls. with uber-a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to uber.com/drivenow
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donald trump may announce his running mate in the next few days. will he turn a former rival into his political bff? here to discuss, cnn political commentator matt lewis and bob beckel. jason osborne, former senior communication strategist for ben carson's campaign, now a donald trump supporter. john, you're looking awfully spiffy these days. >> i can't come on this show anymore. people tell me you look so deb na -- debbonair that i have to clean up my act. >> are you wearing suspenders under that jacket? >> i am.
>> don't lose who you are. >> susan collins said she won't support trump until he chooses a running mate. >> it's going to be very important to me who donald trump chooses as his running mate, and that is arguably the most important decision that a candidate can make. >> so the trump campaign is vetting newt gingrich as a running mate, chris christie as well, reportedly leading the pack. what's your take on that? >> this is the first time we've had 17 candidates on the ballot. so a number of these elected officials, we're looking at establishment-type candidates beforehand and now it's been whittled down to one candidate. actually, two if you count jim gilmore, who is still in the race. they haven't had an opportunity to really get to know donald trump. the whole experience or understanding of somebody that's
outside the establishment -- >> he's been running for a year! >> at the same time for a year, nobody's taken him seriously. nobody took ben carson seriously. nobody thought ted cruz would be -- went as far as he did. i think for the most part a lot of these elected officials are really getting their hands around the fact that, wait a minute, there is something out in our constituencies that we have to take into consideration. as we move along, donald trump has to earn his support. >> yea or nay as a trump supporter, chris christie? >> i think he would be an interesting choice. not my first choice. >> second or third choice? >> yes. >> newt gingrich. >> probably my fourth choice. >> why? >> newt gingrich, he's run for president before. i don't know if he actually has kind of the cashe that he used to back in the 90s. >> he's too old school. >> he's too old school. i don't know how some of his
policies would mesh with donald trump's policies. >> bob beckel, the 17 other candidates, they have to get to know trump. that's what jason just said. what do you think? >> i think the more they get to know trump, the more they'll want not to be on the ticket with him. nobody want to be on the ticket with him except jeff sessions from alabama, kris chris christie, who already tied his political future to trump. other than that, you can't get any substantial person, republican, to say they'd run with the guy. why? because their political future is kaput. they'll be forever tied with donald trump. they'll go down and lose the senate. if you're nikki haley or any one of these other people, do you want to be tied to trump for
history? no. >> ordinarily, this time there are quite a few people signaling they are not interested. what if they got the call? are there people you could see changing their minds about this? >> well, yeah. look, i think that it's one thing to be could i or take yourself out of the running. if you get the phone call and your candidate wants and your presumptive nominee want you? i do think it's different actually being asked. this is a responsibility. it's sort of like if the president wants to meet with you, you go, whether you like the president or not. if your party's nominee wants you, it's more serious than the hypothetical, no, i wouldn't want to be the running mate. >> but you go back to barry goldwater in '64, more people turned him down. it was getting embarrassing. so they ended up with the congressman from upstate new york. they had to split the republican
party back then. i suspect that's the same thing here. who wants to be tied in to a. >> in one day when you get beat up by the chamber of commerce and you're a republican nominee, you've got some problems. >> jason, he's your candidate and they're beating up on him. no one wants to be his v.p.? >> i disagree with that. we go through this process every four years. you have people that say i don't want to consider it, my constituents are too important. but to matt's point, if you get the call, you should seriously consider it. >> give me two people who are not on the list -- >> i know marco rubio's folks -- two months ago they were
actively seeking -- >> no, that was then, there is now. >> i know, but what i'm saying is there are a number of people out there. but i think you would have to seriously consider it. if you're not in a tough reelection, you have to take people out like rob portman who has a tough reelection coming up. senator thune would probably consider it. nikki haley. i think they would consider it if they thought they could change donald trump to the way they wanted. >> it's a patriotic -- >> if they could change donald trump into what they want him to do. >> i think there's whether you agree with whee he said or not, the you a at least now what he's
thinking. >> what were you saying? >> it's his patriotic duty. if donald trump is somebody you don't think is there yet but you want somebody on the inside who understands conservative policy, is whispering in his ear, it's an argument to do it. >> maybe it could be jason, could be scottie hughes. >> i think it could be bob beckel. >> bob, if you got the call, would you take it? >> i would -- no, absolutely not. absolutely not. i'll call up all the drug dealers and give it to him. >> okay, bob. >> it's a little levity at the end for discussion. these things are a little confining. >> coming up, a young man's grieving family.
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mysterious sirks. he died after a fall. now 15 drill instructors are being investigated in connects with, hazing, physical abuse, assault and failure of supervision. joining me now, his grieving mother, his sister and they are joined by the family attorney. thank you for joining us. i know it's tough. you guys doing okay? sidra? >> yes, we're doing better. >> so gozola, i'm very sorry for the loss of your son. what do you know about what happened to him? >> i think something happened over there with my son. >> terrible. >> and they did something with my son. >> sidra, what do you think
happened? >> i think something terrible happened to him, something that shouldn't have happened to him. >> do you have any idea what when you say "something terrible? >> i think hazing or abuse, calling him out by discriminating him. anything that was bad, i just think something terrible happened to him. i can't say for sure right now. >> the news today is that 15 drill instructors at paris island are being investigated in connection with hazing, assault and physical abuse. were you surprised to hear that? >> no, i was not surprised. >> why not? >> because i -- after seeing my brother's body, i felt that something bad did happen to him and something that shouldn't have happened. i do feel that some people were
involved and a part, playing a role to hurt him in any way. >> i know it's a delicate subject, but you said after seeing your brother's body. what was the indication that led you to believe that something nefarious happened or something strange happened to him? >> well, the marks on his body, i don't -- they say that he fell three stories. i don't think all those marks came from falling three stories. i seen his chest and it was like blue over here, on his hands, on his palm, it's like a perfect bump right here. i don't think you can get that from falling three stories. the marks on his body just shows that something -- that he was hurt. >> both hands, body behind, neck and behind is dirty, whole body
is damaged. i don't know what went on with my son, i don't know. >> sidra, she's saying there were marks -- explain again, your mom said there were marks where? >> she said there was marks on his chest and on his hand and stitches on his neck, too. there was bumps on his hands. like as if he was like beaten on the hand. >> what do you say to that? >> i say it confirms our belief from day one, before the commander of paris island was relieved of his duties, as well as the higher ups in the training, two other people that were relieved before the news we learned yesterday with 15 marine higher-ups being investigated. it confirms our suspicion and the family's suspicion that something absolutely went wrong. if you look at each thing from
his history, by being val valedictorian of his eye school, his employer, his neighbors, his teacher. he was so excited to be in the marines. he actually had a watch that had the countdown time to when he's going to start training in the military and training in the marines. he was so proud to be there for his country and be a proud marine. >> he wanted to be there. >> i'm sorry? >> he wanted to be there, wanted to serve his country. >> absolutely. >> during the course of this investigation, it has come out that the senior drill instructor had previously been accused of hazing other muslim recruits there. what have you learned about that? >> i'm sorry, you're asking me? >> yes. >> yes, yes, absolutely. well, again, it goes to the belief that this is not just an isolated incident. this is, we believe, a systemic
problem. we believe it's an institutional problem that the marines corps are facing. at the end of the day it goes down to the integrity and the credibility of the marine corps and the men and women that serve in this country. there's no parent across this country that wants to sit and send their child over to serve in the military when they have a fear of actually them being hurt or possibly killed before they even see combat abroad. it's a very serious situation. i think the raheel sadiqui case is what has been happening for years in the military and marine corps. >> this is a very sensitive subject subject and pardon me. he died 11 days after arriving at ellis island. they say he reported that he wanted to quit and commit
suicide but then when he was examined, he retracted that statement. was your brother suicidal? >> no, not at all. that's so far from his character, that's not something he would even talk about. >> go ahead, mom. >> i'm sorry? >> if he said like there, why he need more -- it supposed to be he sent back home if he's send like that. if he said like that, he want to quit so why not he -- he want to let me know. it's not simple talk. it's very important talk. this is very important. >> you said if he had issues like that, he would have let you know that he wanted to come
home, correct? >> yes, yes. he'd come back home if he felt like that. he need -- >> go ahead. >> he need medical attention, too. he not get medical attention, too. >> the 15 drill instructors are being investigated. do you feel confident that you will ever find out the truth? well, that's what we're aiming for to find out the truth and hopefully we will find out the truth and bring him justice. >> nabih, thank you, ghazola, thank you and sidra, thank you as well. >> yes, thank you. >> and please come back when we have more information and when we get to the bottom of this hopefully. thank you. >> when we come back, i want to get our military experts to weigh in on this case. i think it's important for everyone to know that there is
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francona. what do you make of this case. does it feel like something is not right here? >> it is always disturbing when the training accidents happen. we don't know the full circumstances there but i think the marines are doing the right thing. rather than trying to soft pedal this or saying these things happened. they have relieved people in command and transferred people out of the training duties where they're not dealing with recruits until they get to the bottom of this. if they find there is a systemic problem then they need to take action to fix it and i'll just leave it at that. i think the marines are doing the right thing as far as i know. >> thomas, you're a former jag officer. if you were investigating this case, what would you be looking for? >> it is the type of case where there should be a lot of eyewitness testimony. the marines at parris island live in close quarters, we're familiar with the shots of the baracks and people living on top of one another. if this is a situation where this particular marine was being
singled out for harsh treatment either because of his religious affiliation or any other reason. there should have been a lot of people in hills unit that would have eyes on that and he should -- you should be able to develop a narrative to that whether that was really what was going on or whether this was a simple case of someone breaking under a very high stress environment that parris island has always been. >> lieutenant colonel frank francona, his senior drill instructor allegedly hazed minority recruits. should he have been in charge of recruits. who is responsible? >> the senior officers and they did relieve several senior officers in the chain of command. if that is true, if he had a history of hazing minorities and he was still allowed to be in charge of recruits, then that is a systemic problem that needs to be addressed at the higher levels and i hope they do. we don't need any more of this. it is bad enough when we lose young men and women in combat.
when they're in training, they have signed up to serve their country and they needed to be trained properly. >> thomas, up to 15 officers are being investigated and face allegations of hazing, assault and physical abuse. how serious are the charges? what would the punishment be for that. >> the potential punishment could be very serious. it could be incarceration. i mean, hazing would fall under cruelty and maltreatment, possible charges of out right assault, deriliction of duty, failure to supervise. >> if found out they had something to do with the death, the charges could escalate. >> the top charges you could conceive is some form of article 118, negligent homicide, reckless homicide. you'll get into a problem with causation with that because this is a situation where the young marine actually threw himself
off of a third floor balcony showing the actions actually caused the death is a tough legal threshold to get past. there are lesser charges that are applicable here. >> you can feel the family's heartbreak coming across the screen. thank you, gentleman. we appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ you've wished upon it all year, and now it's finally here. the mercedes-benz summer event is back, with incredible offers on the mercedes-benz you've always longed for. but hurry, these shooting stars fly by fast. lease the gle350 for $579 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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someone you think could be a c in fn hero. that is it for us tonight. i'm don lemon. cnn's original series "the eighties" starts in just a minute. we have intelligent machines creeping into our daily lives. it's going to be a new world out games is nothing short of a social phenomenon. >> personal computers, walk-around stereos, automatic cameras, mobile telephones. >> a major moment in the history of flight. >> the experts tell us all of this is just the tip of the iceberg of what's to come. >> there's literally a hyper culture that is developing. almost a cult. >> we are no longer on the verge of the personal computer revolution. we are right in the midst of it, thank you.