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>> deemed inherently violent is the problem. that is the problem. deal with that rhetoric. >> nobody says that. >> a lot of people say that. >> we're going to continue this conversation. there's a lot to assess. angela, thank you very much. mike rogers, tom fuentes, thanks to you as well. i have to leave it right now. but our special coverage continues right here on cnn. >> wolf, thank you very much. i'm don lemon in today for brooke baldwin. we're going to begin with five police officers dead. a national tragedy at the hands of a mass murderer who according to police went on a hunt for white officers. the killer's name, the police chief says, is micah xavier johns johnson. an army reservist who served in afghanistan. they say he used sniper tactics and killed five dallas police officers as they were downtown protecting protesters. the gunfire sent demonstrators and others scattering.
one man began live streaming the chaos just as some officers were shot. >> they're shooting right now. and there's an officer down. it's coming from the right over there, from around these buildings. main street and lamar. this is main street and lamar. don't worry. i'm behind a tree. i think another officer is down around the corner over here. they got s.w.a.t. over here. i can't really -- i can't really get any closer. they just dragged one of the officers into the police car right here. to get him attention. there's somebody else down over there. if you can see around this corner, i don't know if you all can see that. >> get out of there! >> it's so unbelievable. even watching it today. i saw it all last night.
a total of 12 officers were hit. so far, just a few of the fallen have been identified. here they are. transit officer and war veteran brent thompson. just 43 years old. and then there's patrick zamarripa, who is a member of the dallas force, a father of two and also a war veteran. and you can get a hint of the danger he and his fellow officers were facing on the scene. >> officer down. >> we have a guy with a long riefrl. we don't know where the hell he's at. >> slow down. he's in the damn building right there. you don't know where he's at. he's in that building. >> we have got to get dod down here now. right now. get them here. >> they're on their way. >> rifle, possibly in the el centro college building. >> inside the el centro building. >> this is the deadliest incident for u.s. law
enforcement since september 11th. since september 11th attacks. today, dallas police chief said the shooter told negotiators he acted alone. the chief said after negotiations failed, tactical teams sent in a robot with a bomb and detdinated it to kill him. according to the chief, during negotiations, the mass killer revealed he was angry over the very reason that inspired the protests, his violence cut short. the recent shooting deaths of african-american men by police. >> the suspect said he was upset about black lives matter. he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. the suspect said he was upset at white people. the suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. >> want to go to cnn's ed lavendera who is in the hometown of the gunman, mesquite, texas. he served in the military. he's a war veteran.
tell us about that. >> he served six years in the u.s. army, serving a year in afghanistan. with decoration. he was discharged from the army in april of last year. but we're here in the neighborhood where he lives. the house behind me with his mother, and it was here, neighbors tell us, just after 1:00 in the morning, that a squadron of officers started arriving here in the neighborhood, and that's when many people around here started figuring out and drawing the connection between what was happening about 30 miles away in downtown dallas, mesquite is a suburb of dallas, just east of town. and this is where the suspect micah johnson grew up, graduated from high school here in the area. and has been living in the house behind me. up until a short while ago, don, investigators were inside that house throughout the morning. we saw them pulling out bags of evidence, one bag in particular appeared to be a long rifle or a
shotgun. it's unclear exactly what. it was being gripped by one of the agents here at the scene as if it were some sort of weapon. we couldn't see it. it was bagged inside one of these brown bags. a number of atf federal agents inside the home wearing bulletproof vests were inside as well as dallas crime scene investigators and they left the home a short while ago. >> what are neighbors saying? is it the same sort of scenario that we hear, ed, quiet and kept to himself? or was he a guy who was known about the neighborhood and known about town? >> well, a couple different stories. a lot of people didn't really see him around all that much. we did speak with one neighbor who described him as someone who changed dramatically after returning from afghanistan. was reclusive. other neighbors who say they saw him interacting with black and white people. because of that, they were surprised by the comments that he -- that the dallas police say he was making during that standoff in the early morning
hours a short while ago. and then we talked to one resident as well that said that micah would often talk about how many weapons he had and at some point had become -- would talk about that weaponry that he had inside of his home. so many people around here say they have kept to themselves. and a lot of what we see now is a lot of people trying to piece together the bits and pieces of information that they have seen him over the last couple of months and year trying to figure this all out at this point. many people you talk to simply stunned in displeef that someone from their neighborhood would carry out this horrible attack. >> yeah, and rightly so. i have one question for you before i let you go. you said he lived there with his mother alone. has anyone seen the mother? have you been able to talk to the mother? >> we do know that there's someone inside the house. we haven't been able to confirm whether that is the mother. there are a couple people who showed up here at the house a short while ago.
we put in a request to see if anyone would talk to us. but they would not answer any of our questions. so it's unclear whether it's a relative, friend, the mother, we just don't know at this point. we do know there are people inside, after the officers arrived, we had seen some movement inside the house, but no one has come out and shared any kind of comments or answered any of our questions so far, don. >> ed lavendera at the home of the gunman where law enforcement there taking out bags of evidence and materials. 25-year-old micah xavier johnson. ed, we'll get back to you in mesquite, texas. thank you for that. >> in the last hour, the city of dallas has been holding a multifaith prayer service. you can see the crowds there from the aerial shot. the event was to honor the five officers killed, the seven others wounded including this transit officer, misty mcbride. two civilians were also hurt. misty mcbride's husband was outside the hospital last night with their daughter. we heard a short snippet in our live coverage last night from him and the daughter.
they were happy that she was okay. you know, the chief is urging dallas citizens to show its police officers the support that they need now more than ever. >> in the police profession, we're very comfortable with not hearing thank you. from citizens especially who need us the most. we're used to it. >> thank you. thank you. >> so today feels like a different day. than the days before this tragedy. because you're here. because dallas is a city that loves. our officers want to say -- [ applause ] -- that we're hurting and we need this community. >> there's a whole lot here to unpack. i want to bring in nick, who
works as a police detective in a town near dallas and often consults with the force. also here, law enforcement analyst art roderick and sara sidner. sara is in dallas, she has been there all day and all night and police on the ground are giving you information. what are they going through right now? >> look, you're hearing directly from the police chief. they are in mourning. they are thinking not only about the colleagues that they have lost and the fellow officers, but the families who are now going through the devastation of having to deal with the aftermath of that loss and those who are watching their loved ones, who are injured, who are trying to heal, who are trying to get through it, who are trying to survive. and this city iscertainly mourning. we watched as they lowered the flags one by one, first the city of dallas flag. then the state of texas flag. then the united states flag. giving you some semblance that
it's not just the city of dallas that's in mourning. it's the nation that is trying to come to terms with all of this. and so at this point in time, there's both the mourning and the investigation that still has to happen. police officers, detectives, they still have to go to work. they still have to collect evidence. they still have to find out if there is anyone else who may have been involved in planning this or helping this happen in any way. and the police chief very clear about it, if there is someone out there who has taken part in this in any way and been involved in this devastating deadly shooting, that they will be brought to justice. so there's work being done. and at the same time, there is mourning. not just among officers but the city of dallas itself. don. >> absolutely. and among the country as well, sara. nick, you know, you work in this area. by the way, did you happen to know any of the officers who were injured or hurt? >> i didn't. i was very, very lucky. >> what are your colleagues telling you? >> i think that actually you
sort of captured it, mourning and shock, and i also think there is a very palpable pride amongst all of us. we all were all of us who couldn't be there last night were on the phone and on text and facebook, and we were speaking with one another and talking about just the bravery and the honor that these officers showed as they charged exactly towards the danger, as we always hope that we can do. and they actually did it. they did an absolutely fantastic job at every stage, from being trance psparent to actually run nothing to harm's way and getting the job done so effectively. i think the communities, you know, the community has been thanking us throughout the mid-cities, all of the cities between dallas and ft. worth, the communities have been stopping in with everything from cakes and iced tea to just people saying thank you. it's been absolutely a wonderful turnout. >> yeah. as i was speaking to witnesses last night until 2:00 in the morning, they were saying the police officers were running towards the danger. they were running away from the
danger. and art, i spoke with a witness who saw the murder of one of those officers. listen to this. >> basically came out to the balcony, did hear some popping sounds. i thought it was fireworks at first. came out. man had a rifle. ar-15, clear as day. pretty big magazine. and you could see towards the end of the video here, he goes ahead and drops a few mags. >> this is him behind the railing. this is him behind the railing next to the column, correct? >> yes, this is him right here to the right of that white pillar. you know, shooting to the left, goes ahead, turns around, shoots to the right. shoots on the other side of the pillar. he honestly, he was shooting at something and aiming at somebody. then he turned around, checked his back. to make sure there was no one coming. but the officer did come across the right side of the screen to
that pillar to the right. and tried to take him one-on-one in a firefight and it didn't end very well. it is very tragic. >> that's the officer getting shot right there? >> no, i didn't get video of the officer getting shot. that is the officer down right there. it was -- it looked like an execution, honestly. he stood over him after he was already down. shot him maybe three or four more times in the back. so at that point, i didn't know if he was confirm eed dead or anything. obviously, but he was down for about five more minutes until anybody could get to him. >> unbelievable. art, you can see the shooter there. we heard that he has -- he was in the military. he the some sort of training. as you're looking at the video and his background, what does it tell you about the gunman? >> it's quite obvious he had some form of training.
basic training will give you those types of skills. that will at least allow you to fire a firearm in that type of mode. even with iron sights at that clois close a range, you would be able to do the damage he had done. obviously, he had a lot of ammunition on him. you heard the witness talk about him dropping magazines. dropping rounds. when you look at this particular video, this is a stark reality of what actually was occurring at that site last night. >> yeah, and it's also a stark reality of just the sort of firepower that we talk about out on the streets. and as i speak to law enforcement, you know, chiefs, even officers from around the country, they say they are often outgunned. these officers were outgunned by this man. >> absolutely. you're not going to win a firefight when you have a pistol that has a .9 millimeter or 40 caliber round against someone with an ar-15. it's just impossible. the amount of firepower that that weapon can put out against somebody holding a handgun.
>> how will -- listen, these are professionals, nick. these officers, again, put their lives on the line every day. and the question is, how are they going to treat protesters from now on? not just black lives matter activists but any protesters? i would imagine they would continue to treat them with the utmost respect and do their jobs. >> that's exactly right. and that actually went out this morning to most of the officers in the area that we are expecting more protests and that these officers died protecting the citizens' right to protest how they're being policed and we are there to defend those rights. and that is exactly what we're going to do. there's not going to be any kind of crackdown on protests because we simply won't allow these people to win. this is something about freedom of expression and the police are there to help the citizens do exactly that. >> sara, the mayor, i understand, you know, lauded the officers and the police for being best in class.
it's a very diverse police force. the chief is african-american. represents the ethnicity of the community. but they are best in class, according to the mayor. >> yeah, i mean, i'm having a little trouble hearing you. i did want to mention this, don. there's a real juxtaposition here. you talk to that witness, right, that saw this officer being gunned down right before him. there was a 13-year-old who was in the hotel above that area watching the same thing, and taking video of it. we spoke to him and his father. both african-american. and his father is saying, i'm trying to teach some lessons here, and i was going to take him down to the protest where people were marching against police brutality, and suddenly, i find mileself in the middle of this, and wondering what lesson i can let him learn about this. he said, ultimately, it was a lesson that violence begets violence. it doesn't solve anything. and he started talking to his son about that. i do want to mention this to
you, too, and i think it's something we're going to have to delve into more and more. the american population has now seen in the past 72 hours three deaths happening live, no filter, nothing to stop them from seeing the absolute reality of what happens when someone dies. watching and seeing that before their eyes. we have seen that just in 72 hours, and this is going to keep happening again and again because of these. people are watching it on small screens and big screens. i think it's really going to have a deep impact on american society. >> i think it's -- on the american psyche, you bring up the very important point because unfiltered and watching this. if you have children at home, if i had a child, i don't, i would not want them to see these images. and we cannot, you know, become used to seeing these images because it's reality. it's reality, not just something that's on the television. thanks to all of you. if we can get the pictures of the officers up, i would like the producers to do that, because we're honoring these
officers and mourning the death of five police officers. so far, we have heard the fallen transit officer and war veteran brent thompson, 43 years old. there he is right there. and then there's patrick zamarripa, a member of the dallas force, a father of two. also a war veteran. these two gentlemen, two of the five we know who were killed in dallas last night, and we'll continue to honor them today. >> i'm going to talk to a resident of downtown dallas who thought that the gunshots were fireworks before she picked up her camera and documented what she was seeing. you're watching cnn's special live coverage. don't go anywhere. think big. or demand your own space. don't you dare leave it all behind.
so, we now know the name of the man who opened fire on those unsuspecting dallas police officers, killing five of them, wou wounding seven others. 25-year-old micah johnson, a former u.s. army reservist. a texas native. was killed by a tactical bomb robot. he told police negotiators that he was acting alone. officials believe he's not tied to any terror group. and as far as they know, he has no criminal record at all. so i want to get back to dallas now, and kyung law.
she's at baylor hospital where most of the casualties were taken. it's just an awful, awful day. can you update us on the condition of the people still in that hospital? >> well, we haven't gotten very many specifics, don, on how many of them still remain in the hospital and exactly what condition they're in. this is a very deliberate move taken by the city. when i spoke with someone at the city, she said they wanted to refrain from getting too many details out there because the families are in utter shock and disbelieve. those are the words she used, that there has been a shell shock that has been dropped on these, not just the officers, but their families so they're trying to help them cope through this as best they can. from what we have din told by the police department, a total of seven people were injured, seven police officers. they are in various stages of surgery, being treated and being released. the good news, don, is that they do anticipate that everyone will be released. but in the number of calls that
i have made to the dallas police association, to the police departments, to the city itself, you get the sense that the police departments here are just trying to make it through this day because it has been such a challenging day for the officers who were in the middle of this or their friends and those who have simply come to the hospital to try to lend some moral support, don. >> indeed, indeed. kyung at baylor hospital in dallas for us. thank you very much. >> now to the eyewitnesses. allison griswold lives in downtown dallas near where the shooting started. at first, she thought she heard exploding fireworks. >> oh, my god. there's people laying on the ground. >> so allison pulled out her camera and captured these images. it was only then that she realized the pop, pop, pop she heard, those were the sounds of
gunshots. a lot of gunshots. and allison joins me now. allison, thank you so much. must have been a traumatic experience to hear that. but then to have the wherewithal to pick up your camera and capture it, what was going through your mind when you heard the bullets and you realized they were not fireworks? >> i mean, it's a terrifying experience. you don't know what's happening, why it's happening, and there's no news coverage yet to tell you. so you just feel helpless, and you want to do something, but there's nothing you can do. so the only thing i could think of was to hit record. >> yeah. what could you see from your vantage point, allison? >> the only thing that i could see was obviously a lot of police vehicles heading towards the gunshots. i could see civilians running away from the gunshots, and police officers running towards them. and there were people down below
me hiding, once they kind of figured out what was happening, they needed to get down. there were people just hiding behind anything they could find. >> yeah. so you weren't out in the protests out on the streets. were you in a hotel, in an office building, your home? >> yeah, i was standing in my living room. >> you were standing in your living room. normally, peaceful area, but this is a very busy, as we understand, business center, business district. so people started to scatter, correct? >> that's right, yes. as soon as the shots got, you know, more frequent and closer together, and people realized what was happening, they started to run. >> this is your neighborhood? >> yes, it is. >> what is your neighborhood like today? >> it's pretty much a ghost town except for police and journalists. that's it. >> yeah, and what is it like being and living in dallas
today? >> it's just tremendously sad. i mean, you just never think that something like this can happen to you and to your home and where you live. and you know, the people of dallas are wonderful, and i hate that the world has to get to know dallas in a way like this again. >> allison, i'm glad you're safe. we thank you for joining us here on cnn. >> thank you for having me. >> next, you know, it's been a week filled with disturbing violence all across the country. two officer-involved shootings that left two men dead. one in minneapolis, the other in baton rouge, louisiana. a closer look at both of those snenlts after a quick break. s. i've been waiting to get in this. real people have a lot to say about the award-winning vehicles at the chevy 20% sales event. wow! the design is great. i love it. number one in my book. that's awesome! if you could get 20% cash back on this vehicle, what would you do? i think i'm going to drive it through that wall and take it. during the chevy 20% sales event, get cash back for 20% of the msrp on many chevy models.
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so this is around the time the white house briefing is held, and there is indeed one being held today in war saw, poland, josh earnest traveling with the president, speaking now about dallas. >> you had the opportunity here directly from the president early this morning, and he did discuss how the entire country is grieving alongside the people in dallas. there are five dallas area police officers who didn't come home last night. and that's a tragedy. and as the president himself said, there is no justification for violence against law enforcement officers. these are men and women who put on a uniform every day, prepared to put their lives on the line, to protect all of us. that's exactly what happened
last night in dallas. you had a large number of police officers who put on their uniform, and were on duty last night to insure the safety of innocent citizens who were ma making their voices heard and expressing their concerns about inequitied in the criminal justice system. yet those police officers still fulfilled their responsibility to protect their fellow citizens. that's what makes the loss of those police officer all the more tragic. and the president had an opportunity to convey his condolences on behalf of the country directly to the mayor when he spoke to him earlier today. and if there are additional conversations that the president has with officials in dallas, we'll certainly let you know. i know that white house officials have been in touch with officials in dallas, not just through the night, but also over the course of the day
today. the attorney general spoke earlier today, and she discussed how there are a range of federal law enforcement agencies offering their support to law enforcement in dallas. >> and that is the white house press secretary, josh earnest, speaking about dallas. and again, the two -- we have learned the two officers who have died, at least two of the five, one is transit officer brent thompson, 43 years old. the other is dallas officer patrick zamarripa, father of two and also a war veteran. again, an awful tragedy playing out in dallas, and the white house press secretary speaking on that. also, tragedies playing out in other cities across the country, including minnesota. we have learned the identity of the police officer who shot and killed minnesota resident filaundo castile. he's 28-year-old geronijeronimo, a four-year vet of the st. anthony police department. a second officer was identified as joseph cowser.
as the community calls for justice in castile's death, many are reacting, including his fiance rr, diamond reynolds. >> today is not only about justice and getting justice, but it's about all of the families that have lost people. this thing that has happened in dallas, it was not because of something that transpired in minnesota today. this is bigger than philando. this is bigger than trayvon martin. this is bigger than sandra bland. this is bigger than all of us. so today, i just want justice for everyone. everyone around the world. not just for my boyfriend and the good man that he was, because i'm going to continue to stay strong for him, and i want all of you guys to do the same. >> cnn's brin gingras is in st. paul with the latest on this investigation. what do we know today?
>> well, don, we know the state agency overseeing this investigation planned to talk to both of those officers that mentioned. yanez and cow 0, yesterday. that's part of their investigation. they also plan on looking at dashcam video from their patrol cars. really, as far as the investigation, those are the main details. we do know, though, that the medical examiner has ruled castile's death a homicide at this point. we have been hearing from the governor, hearing from the ramsey county attorney. remember, this is going to be a case that takes some time. so everyone has to be patient. they said they want to be methodical and they also want to keep the integrity of this investigation, don. >> all right, thank you very much. we appreciate your reporting. you know, we're getting new information in now on the original police shooting that sparked much of the anger that you see playing out. it happened in my hometown in baton rouge, louisiana. i'm talking about the cell phone video of two police officers tackling and shooting
37-year-old alton sterling. the two officers involved in tuesday's shooting have been placed on administrative leave. i want to go now to our correspondent on the ground in baton rouge. that's nick valencia. you spoke with the louisiana state colonel after this tragic overnight ambush and killing of the dallas police officers. what did he tell you? >> he said they're on high alert, don. they know there's a bull's eye on their chest right now in light of the events in dallas. those tensions have shown their head here as well. we're getting reporting from wbrz, earlier this morning at 2:00 a.m. in the early morning hours, there was a baton rouge police department cruiser set ablaze by a molotov cocktail. that happened two miles away from where alton sterling was shot and killed by two white police officers. it underscores the tension and anxiety in the community. something not just the residents are feeling but the local and state law enforcement agents.
>> unbelievable. nick, it comes after law enforcement in louisiana received online threats via social media and anonymous members. do we know -- does that play into louisiana state, this high alert they're talking about? >> well, colonel edmanson said they had looked into last night the social media threats against the louisiana state police department. they said they were not credible, but that they did look into them. they went to the homes of these people that posted these things online to say that it was unacceptable. really, the high alert has a lot to do with the current situation, but really, specifically, with what happened in dallas, the ambush of police officers there. we're told that the local police department here is actually now patrolling in pairs as adding precaution. >> nick valencia on the ground for us in louisiana. thank you, nick. we appreciate that. >> we're going to bring you much more on our special coverage of the tragic shootings of 12 dallas police officers in just a moment. first, here's what president barack obama had to say about this deadly ambush.
>> we still don't know all the facts. what we do know is that there has been a vicious, calculated, and despicable attack on law enforcement. police in dallas were on duty doing their jobs, keeping people safe during peaceful protests. ne premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise... your insurance company tells you to pay up again. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? if you have liberty mutual deductible fund™, you could pay no deductible at all. sign up to immediately lower your deductible by $100. and keep lowering it $100 annually, until it's gone. then continue to earn that $100 every year. there's no limit to how much you can earn and this savings applies to every vehicle on your policy.
that micah johnson acted alone, as the only shooter during last night's attack on dallas police officers and dart police offi r officers there in downtown dallas. now, this is according to law enforcement officials that have been briefed by dallas police. if you listen to the wording and the language that the police chief of dallas has been using over the last several hours, he keeps referring to a possible suspects involved in this case, and suspects that have been interviewed in all of this. federal law enforcement sources telling us they believe now at this point that micah johnson acted alone, don. >> yeah, and it's saying, ed, here, it says through our investigation of some of the suspects, it's revealed to us it was well planned, well thought out, evil, a well thought out evil tragedy by the suspect, and we won't rest until we bring everyone involved to justice. but they're saying now they believe he was the only one who acted in this. initially, they thought because of the amount of fire power it
may have been more than one person. >> well, and that's what brings us back to this neighborhood that we're in in mesquite, texas, just east of dallas, a suburb of dallas. this is where micah johnson lived, and according to neighbors, lived here with his mother. one neighbor told us that micah johnson often talked about how many weapons he had. as we have seen law enforcement investigators coming in and out of the house throughout the morning, several brown bags that were pulled out appeared to be long guns. we couldn't tell if they were shotguns or rifles or what kind of weaponry it was, but it was clearly in the shape of a weapon. a lot of this evidence taken away from the home here. investigators that were here throughout the morning would not speak with reporters here at the scene, but several neighbors did tell us it was about 1:00 in the morning or shortly after that police investigators starting arriving and descending on the neighborhood here in mesquite, don.
>> ed, thank you very much. appreciate the breaking news. they believe micah johnson, 25 years old, acted alone. >> i want to bring in cnn political commentators van jones and charles blow. charles is also a columnist for the "new york times," and then anwar sanders as well. he's a police officer in new mexico. and here we go again, gentlemen, with a tragedy befalling our nation. we were on the air late last night talking about where we go from here. and van jones, i think you pointed out something that was very poignant last night. you said we're living in a culture of fear. >> yeah, we are. and it could get -- we could get pulled into a cycle of retaliatory violence, if you want to know where that leads you to, just google the word syria. what we have to do now, as we're going to now go into a week of funerals, everybody has to reach deep down and find some empathy. if you cried for the brother who
bled out next to his fiancee but you didn't cry for the police officers, it's time to do a heart check. if you cried for the police officers, but you have a hard time taking serious all these videos coming out with african-americans dying, it's time to do a heart check, because we're either going to come together or come apart now. there's enough pain on both sides that there should be some empathy starting to kick in. and frankly, there are probably only two groups who can understand the situation. young african-americans and police. actually have more in common this week, given the funerals on both sides, and anybody else. we should be able to find some way to come together and say, you know, let's stop this cycle of violence. nobody is winning. >> yeah. i want to play something -- well, charles, let me talk about this. i saw you this morning and you said, you know, you had empathy for everyone involved in this. and that you refuse to politicize it or turn it into an us against them situation.
we lost charles blow. we'll get back to charles. anwar, i want to bring you in now. as a police officer in new mexico, you can speak to, you know, the pain and the emotions that police officers are dealing with over the past 24 hours. not even 24 hours, that they're dealing with right now. and you heard what van jones said. van jones said young african-american men and police officers have more in common this week than just about anyone else. >> he's spot on. i mean, this morning, i woke up and i was afraid. you know what i mean? for my safety, jumping into my patrol car to go to work, i was afraid. it's so much going on, and we need to take a step back before things get much worse. and we're at a breaking point right now, and we can't get into that us versus them.
if you heart didn't hurt this morning for those officers, then you do have to do a heart check. there's still so much that needs to be found out about both of these shootings, the dallas one and the one in minnesota, and there's too much to really speculate on so far, but it's too much violence, and the violence, wrong plus wrong doesn't equal right, you know what i mean? >> two wrongs don't make a right. one wrong, two wrongs, you can add multiples on top and it still doesn't make a right. i want you, anwar, to talk about what the police chief said that they don't feel that they have support out there anymore. officers don't feel that support from the community. do you feel that? >> i do. i mean, i feel it. and i can't really blame the communities that much because it comes down to this. okay, it comes down to this institutionalized racism is what i refer to it as. it's these officers have this perceived fear or even the
public has this perceived fear. even when i'm in uniform, they have a perceived fear of me as a black man. why are you so much more afraid of me? i can say the same thing to you as a white cop, and when i say it, they're afraid of me. i hear it at least once a week, you're so scary. why is there this perceived fear of me as a black man and not the same of a white man. it's institutionalized racism. that's the root of it. >> yeah. i think, charles blow is back with us, i think that the mayor said something this morning that i found very important that we touched on last night. is that you can deal -- both of these are issues. they're not mutually exclusive. they're issues with the community and police on both sides. issues that police have with young black men and also many times the way young black men interact with officers. both of them must be dealt with. >> yeah. i think that that's correct. but i think, you know, at moments like these, these are kind of epic moments in a
society, and it calls us to step back and kind of look for what -- >> sorry about that. speak to that for me, van jones, will you? >> yeah, well, listen. both groups have, you know, some room for improvement. certainly, one thing that has happened with law enforcement is that the good cops are afraid to arrest the bad cops. that would fix it right there. everybody -- look, i don't care who you are. wherever you work, you know who the nuts are. you know who the people who are not doing right are. in law enforcement, i grew up in a law enforcement family, there's a code of silence and that sense that you really should not go and put handcuffs on your coworker. so that creates a whole situation where often there's an internal culture, i think, that is too permissive of bad stuff. >> i don't think -- are you
disagreeing, anwar? you don't agree with that? >> i have to disagree. it's hard for someone not in law enforcement to understand it and to say it, but there's no hidden code or no blue line of family hood, that's not the way it goes. at the end of the day, we make our decisions based off our experiences that we went through in our life. i keep going back to that institutionalized racism. i don't think we're afraid to arrest people. we're held to a higher standard as law enforcement officers. and we get in trouble. we deal with repercussions for our actions. so i don't think it's safe to say that we have some blue line and we're going to protect each other. i saw these videos of these shootings and i don't agree with them. i don't know all the fact, but as a black man looking at the videos, i didn't agree with them off the bat. >> hold the thought. i have to take a break. i'll let you have the first word out of the break. >> there are no words to describe the atrocity that
>> back to our conversation. this morning, dallas police chief david brown made this emotional plea to his city and america. >> please join me in applauding these brave men and women who do this job under great scrutiny, under great vulnerability. who literally risk their lives to protect our democracy.
we don't feel much support most days. let's not make today most days. please, we need your support. >> how can you argue with that after he has lost so many of his officers? i want to bring back now cnn political commentators van jones and anwar sanders, a police officer in new mexico. before the break, anwar was disagreeing with you. he is saying he doesn't think that there's this blue wall of silence, so to speak, that you say is there. >> well, you know, and he may have a different experience in his department, and his career, but i can say that talking to my dad who was a cop in the military, talking to my uncle and other family members, they say it was there. and i have spent 20 years of my life trying to reform police departments and criminal justice
departments and i have heard officers say it is there. we may have a difference of opinion. what i do want to say is that was a remarkable statement by the chief of police. this is a chief of police who got out ahead of the ferguson curve, who has done everything right. he has a community policing program that is top notch. he's got diversity that's off the scale, and he has really tried to create a model relationship, and for his department to be shattered in this way is tragic beyond words. and i think that when he said we don't feel supported and that they feel misunderstood, african-american young people and parents also feel there's a narrative out there that makes them unsafe, and they don't feel supported, and they don't feel seen. and that is an opportunity for some real common ground and shared empathy. i don't want to make sure we don't miss that moment. you literally have a ben ferguson sounding like a charles blow. because they're both talking about communities that do not feel respected and safe.
>> speaking of that dichotomy, i want to play this. you know harry houck. you and harry often disagree. very emotional moment this morning speaking to our john berman. look. >> let me tell you something, john. i am in awe of the bravery of those police officers. i really am. >> harry -- >> you have a .9-millimeter handgun. >> go ahead, harry, please. >> and you're taking on somebody with an automatic weapon. and you have a bulletproof vest that will not stop that round. i hope people can really appreciate what these police officers did. it's hard for every police officer to see this. i'm sorry.
>> definitely no need to apologize. you're feeling that as well, police all over the country are. >> yeah. it's just -- i feel for the families, too. like i said, i live both of those lives. i kind of feel like a martyr a little bit right now because obviously, from me speaking up, puts the biggest target on my back whatsoever, and i feel there's so much to be said. we're at a breaking point where there's so much with law enforcement and young black men like myself are at a common ground, and we're at a place where we need to come together and talk about these problems. >> yeah. so anwar, what do we do then? i think we need to get -- it would be great if we could get people all across the country together. i think we're going to try to do that here on cnn, to get police officers and young black men together and have a really serious conversation. what do we need to do, anwar?
>> i think we need to -- we really need to find out what this fear is of black men. because it's not just, like i said, i'm a victim of both sides. i'm a victim of being a black man. off duty, i don't look like i do in uniform. in uniform, i go through the same kind of racism, being discriminated against. i mean, it's just so hard to explain being cursed at and called the n-word and all those things all the time, every day, just because i'm black. and it's -- it's both sides. it's just so -- it's a lot to talk about. >> when you're not in uniform, do you fear police officers? >> i do. yesterday, i forgot my wallet and i had my gun. and i was -- i was pretty nervous. yesterday was a different kind of day, because we had the shootings and everything. but you have to remember how these shootings make officers feel. you have the shootings and then you have these retaliation
shootings. how does an officer feel? he feels like everybody who walks up to him to ask him a question might be about to ambush and shoot him. so it's like we're in -- it's a hard time. this is a hard week. >> so there are people who are watching, and i have, you know, people have e-mailed me, people on social media, they don't believe it exists. they believe that it's just people who are not following the rules. some believe that african-americans are making this up. that this problem is one that just exists in the minds of black men, anwar. speak to that. >> no, it's real. and it's so hard to be a nonblack man and understand. you know, you won't understand what being racialized feels like nlsh it's happened to you. i know when someone is being racist to me. i know when the person next to me feels uncomfortable. i know when i'm making a traffic stop and they're being racist.
they call the department and they didn't like being pulled over by a black guy. these are things you can't understand unless you walk around in this skin. it's very real, and you can't speak to it and understand it unless you're a black person. >> van, thanks for sitting by. i know anwar needed that moment. i think it was important for him to get that out there. anwar, we're going to have you back on. i appreciate your candor. we feel for you and for your fellow officers today. and for their families, and we thank you for your service. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> thanks, van. >> yeah. top of the hour. as a matter of fact, just a little past the top. it's two minutes after. you're watching cnn. i'm don lemon. brooke is off today. this is special live coverage of a national tragedy that's been playing out in front of our very eyes. the deaths of five officers at the hands of a mass murderer who according to police went on a hunt for white officers, and
this is just in to the cnn newsroom. law enforcement sources tell cnn that they now believe that the killer worked alone. the chief of the dallas police department had originally suggested it was possible others helped him, but they're now saying they believe he worked alone. the killer's name is micah xavier johnson. an army reservist who served in afghanistan. they say he used sniper tactics and killed the dallas officers as they were downtown protecting protesters. the gunfire sent demonstrators and others scattering. >> blacks, whites, latinos, everybody, there was a mixed community here protesting, and this just came out of nowhere. >> somebody is really armed. >> we were towards the end of the protest when the shots started firing off. >> get back! get back. let's go. let's go. get back! get back! let's go, let's go, let's go.
>> all of a sudden, i saw and heard six to eight shots. it looked like two officers went down. i didn't have time to get a good look. i ran back. and i was screaming run, run, run. active shooter, active shooter. >> a total of 12 officers were hit. 12 officers. so far, just a few of the fallen have been identified. transit officer and war veteran brent thompson, 43 years old. patrick zamarripa, a member of the dallas force, was a father of two and also a war veteran. the police chief said after negotiations failed, tactical teams send in a robot with a bomb and detonated it to kill him. according the the chief, during negotiations, the mass killer revealed he was angry over the very reason that inspired the protest. the recent shooting deaths of afric african-american men by police. >> the suspect said he was upset
about black live matter. he said he was upset about the recent police shootings. the suspect said he was upset at white people. the suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. i i want to bring in ed lavendera who is in the hometown of the gunman, that's mesquite, texas. we have learned new information about the shooter, the lone shooter with a military background, ed. >> right, and as you mentioned, served a year, tour of duty in afghanistan. but all focus has been here on his home where neighbors tell us high lived with his mother. law enforcement teams have been here throughout the night. one neighbor told us they started seeing law enforcement officers arriving here in this neighborhood just after 1:00 in the morning central time. so that was in the midst of when all of that standoff was going on with dallas officers in downtown dallas. they were already here at his home and in his neighborhood.
throughout the morning, we have seen a number of law enforcement agencies, dallas police as well, as being assisted by atf agents, wearing bulletproof jackets. they were carrying out several bags of evidence throughout the morning that we saw here. but in speaking with neighbors, don, that anger that we have heard alluded to so far, that micah johnson had toward white people and white officers, that is not something that we have heard from neighbors here. however, there aren't many neighbors who say they knew micah johnson terribly well. but obviously, we're digging and looking for any kind of clues or signs of what was going on in this man's life that led him into downtown dallas last night. so all of that work continues here in this neighborhood where many people are still stunned by this news. >> ed lavendera, thank you very much. all right, everyone. i want you to take a seat and listen to this. and watch this interview. recognize that man? that's thomas jackson.
he's the former police chief in ferguson, missouri, which of course was the scene of its own violent protests after the fatal police shooting of michael brown. thank you so much for joining us, chief -- i guess i can still call you chief jackson. >> i have been wanting to interview you for a while. trying to get an interview with you for a while. so glad you finally have agreed to come on cnn. you have largely stayed out of the spotlight since you stepped down in ferguson. why did you want to speak out now? >> this is such a terrible tragedy. my heart goes out to the entire law enforcement family around the country. you know, chief brown got the worst phone call a chief could possibly get. and you know, five officers killed. another seven wounded. it's unlike anything i have ever heard of before. in my lifetime, and it's time to
stop the rhetoric that i think to some defree gree is fomeannts violence. this is one individual. he alone is responsible for his act, and no one else is to blame for these murders and these vicious shootings. but i think the dialogue around the country needs to change. >> more specifically, what do you mean, the rhetoric and the dialogue? >> so when we're talking about law enforcement involved shootings, i think we need to sit back and let the process take its course so that we don't jump to conclusions. we don't make accusations or come to some decision that may not be accurate. you know, each law enforcement involved shooting or deadly encounter stands on its own. it's not part of some widespread conspiracy among law enforcement officers.
in fact, i think african-americans account for about a quarter of the deadly encounters with police officers. so what i would like to see is just slow down, take a step back. see what's causing these deadly encounters because we always study them. we always review them. we look into what happened, what could have been done differently, what could have prevented it. if it's a bad shooting, and it's a bad cop, there needs to be consequences for that. >> so let me jump in there. let's have a conversation, then. because you talked for a long time, so let me get in. >> sorry. >> no, no, no need to apologize. so we have had several police officers crying on the air today. one of them was harry houck, who is a tough guy, our tough top guy here at cnn, a contributor here. and then we had anwar sanders who was just on, a black police officer. now, one of them said the bravery of the officers who were out there, he felt for them, and you know, his heart broke for
their families and them. the other said there's an issue when it comes to racism in police departments around the country. he believes it's institutional. he is also a police officer. hao said when he's not in uniform, he fears police officers. how do you deal with that, chief? that's a reality from both of those two gentlemen? >> i heard him say that, and of course, i can't identify with that. that's his experience. but i don't know any police officers, i have never known any good police officers who went out and wanted to have violent encounters on duty. >> you said good police officers. but there are bad police officers, correct? >> of course. >> yeah. >> of course, and dha should be weeded out and held accountable if they do something wrong. but as it's been said many times today already, the vast majority of police officers just want to do the job and protect the public. they get into it for altruistic
reasons. and killing somebody is the last thing that any of us want to do. >> so when you see, you know, let's be honest. the first thing out of the chief's mouth this morning was, he said that he was upset over black lives matter. he said that he wanted to kill white people, especially officers. he was upset over the shootings that happened in baton rouge and in minnesota. when you heard that, what did you think? >> i thought that's a sick man. and which is what a lot of the people who do these mass shootings are. they're mentally ill. that's not a reasonable attitude to have, and it's certainly not, you know, by any stretch a reasonable response to having that attitude. but it's him alone. it's not -- it's not everybody. he is responsible for his actions. and for the reasons which he
clearly stated why he did it. >> yeah. how do you feel about the protesters? >> well, the protest, from what i understand about that -- >> i mean, just in general. the protesters played a big part in ferguson. you were there, you had to deal with them. there had been protests over the last two years. it has grown. black lives matter is a force to be reckoned with and has gained political clout. what do you think of the black lives matter protesters and the people who protest the police officers? >> well, any time the protesters are using violent or threatening language towards law enforcement, that's not a good thing. we hear them called peaceful protesters. but if they're threatening the police or saying the police need to be killed or fried up like bacon, that's not peaceful to law enforcement. and that creates a tension and a conflict to the dialogue. as you know, in ferguson, there were protesters that i talked to on a regular basis, you know,
brought them water and umbrellas and things. then there were ones that just didn't want any part of dialogue. they didn't want to hear about any solutions to problems that might exist. they just wanted violence. and they wanted anarchy. so those are the ones that are really hard to deal with. this protest in dallas, that's how you should do it. they coordinated with law enforcement. with the community leaders. and you know, they did it in a peaceful way. >> okay, so do you understand, then, as we're talking about, you know, the two officers we had on, harry and anwar, do you understand the reason that there is a black lives matter movement for -- do you understand that there is a disconnect when it comes to the interactions between especially young black men and police? do you understand that? >> i can understand why there is
a dialogue and why people feel the way they do, because of their own experiences. but a movement that is advocating violence toward law enforcement, i can't abide that. >> do you think black lives matter is doing that? >> i have heard them do it. >> but not everyone in the movement is advocating violence. >> of course not. and very few of the protesters were behaving violent, and very few police officers have deadly encounters with members of the community. >> let's talk about the videos. have you seen the videos of the shootings in baton rouge and minnesota? >> yes, i have. >> did you think those officers responded appropriately? >> i'm not going to make that judgment. what i can say is they were heartbreaking to watch. it was -- you can't watch that and not be moved. but a big part of the problem
is, is people in positions where they have a big voice and can be heard are passing judgment before all the facts come out. now, if these are bad shootings, there needs to be consequences for that. but let's hear the facts. let's let the investigation play out. there are professionals in place that are doing that. >> so now that you're speaking out, you know, you may as well go all the way and say how you feel. do you have any regret about ferguson and the way it was handled? is there anything you want to say about darren wilson or michael brown or the family or the situation in ferguson? >> right now, i said a lot back then, and i'm not really ready to talk specifically about that at this point, don. but i'll let you know. >> have you gotten over it? are you still dealing with it? that was a very tough time for you. >> an extremely tough time.
and yes, i'm still dealing with it. >> how so? >> well, there's litigation, lawsuits. spend a lot of time in depositions, and you know, just wroiti writing it down to try to sort through it, analyzing what went right and all the things that went wrong. and i'm still, you know, in touch with all the people that are still working in that community. and all the people that i was there with. and it's still a terrible memory for everybody, and it's ever present. >> so, i have to ask you this. as you -- what do you say to the people who are watching now about the state of policing and the state of the community and the relationship with african-americans, especially young men, in this country, what do you say to our viewers? >> right now, what i'm saying is
the bad side of it is well, well overrated, it's overplayed. the law enforcement community in general is more educated, more well trained, better equipped, more informed, than ever in history. and there's lots and lots of efforts to strengthen community relations, to reduce violent encounters, to have officer safety, community safety be a priority. >> what do you want to say? a lot of people are mourning, in grief, are confused, are angry. what do you say? >> yeah. well, i am, too. this is heart wrenching for me as well. i'm extremely angry at this individual. but this was one person. and these are -- these are your police officers. these are law enforcement officers that have sworn to serve, protect, and defend the public. that's what they're out there doing. they're putting their lives in danger. you can see in a situation like
this, they were simply targets. they were made targets, and they went to protect the community while they were being shot at. i saw that in the videos. it was heroic. those are heroic and heart wrenching events. >> well, i'm so glad that you finally are speaking out. tom jackson, former police chief for ferguson, missouri, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me, don. >> all right. i need to tell you, this is a programming note for you. at any minute, hillary clinton is going to be speaking to cnn for the first time since this week's shootings and protests erupted. that interview is moenl nlmenta. home, car, life insurance obviously, ohhh... but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee! in means protection plus unique extras only from
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the right, what they call d.a.r.t., and then patrick zamarripa, a dallas police officer. both also served in the milit y military. i want to turn now to lawrence jones, a conservative commentator and radio host on the blaze and solomon jones, a radio host in philadelphia and a columnist for the philadelphia daily news. lawrence, you were in dallas last night. you saw an officer get shot. what happened? >> well, i got there, don, right after the officers had been shot. and you know, it was just crazy seeing my hometown dallas in such a disarray. but i want to make sure that it's noted that even when the officers were being shot, they were still trying to get people to safety. i was down on the ground yesterday talking to one of the guys that were protesting, and the cop pushed him out of the way. and that bullet hit another officer. so although there were some differences in our community
between the black community and the police, the police were still making it their business to make sure everybody was safe. >> mm-hmm. >> lawrence, after what you experienced, you say it's now going to get worse before it gets better. why do you say that? what do you mean? >> i couldn't hear that, don. >> you said that you believe it's going to get worse before it gets better. why do you say that? >> if i can hear you correctly, you said i don't feel like it's going to get any better. >> you said it's going to get worse before it gets better. >> yeah, don, if i heard you correctly, i don't think it is going to get any better. i think, don, and i'm a conservative. but i'm also a black man, and i understand that there is a relationship between the black community and the police that has been tarnished for years. and until we be honest and tear
off the talking points that the rnc and the dnc have given us, then we can't have a real conversation. don, i'm a black man and also a conservative, also went to the police academy and have a lot of cops that are friends. one that died yesterday. and i can't help that my hand gets sweaty every single time i'm pulled over. that's a reality here in america. i don't think all cops are hateful. i think the majority of cops are good cops. but that is one of the conversations we have to be honest about and we have to be fair and listen to each other. >> solomon, what do you say about that? that's a pretty bold statement lawrence is making. do you feel the same way? >> i do. i think we do have to listen to each other. i think we also have to face the reality that black people are the ones who are being shot in large numbers by police. if you are a young black man in america, you are 21 times more likely to be shot and killed by the police than your white counterpart. that's just a reality.
and so until we deal with the underlying race issue that makes black lives more expendable than others, then we can't really have an honest conversation. i would welcome an honest conversation about it if we could really start from that point. look at the data. look at the statistics. look at the reality, and then take the conversation from there. >> okay, so where we are now, and you heard the police chief in dallas -- go ahead. go ahead. >> i don't think it's so much as just race in general. i think there's just a disconnect. i would like to see officers, and like i said, i went to the academy. i majored in criminal justice. i would prefer seeing cops today not just arresting people and pulling them over but walking the streets, getting to know people in your community. that's how we come together. it's not just about arresting. we have to get back to community policing where people don't only see the cop when they're
disciplined but actually proactive policing. you should know my name by your beat that you walk down the street. and that's just the reality. until we get back to that place, then there will always be a divide, don. and it's not about party systems. like i said, i'm a conservative, one that's probably going to vote for a republican candidate, but this is a reality. we have to take away the talking points and have an honest conversation about that. >> okay, so let's talk about what happened this morning and what's going on now, because you know that the political narrative and the narrative is that, you know, this was brought on by protesters. protesters weren't out there, this wouldn't happen. black lives matter movement. should the black lives matter movement change in any way, their tone or tactics, solomon, or keep on moving forward in the way they have been operating? >> no, they should not change their tone, nor should they change their tactics. i think that these are young people, just like there were young people in the civil rights movement of the 1960s.
there was some disagreements about tactics, but they all wanted the same goal. i think you see the same thing here. you have to let young people speak in their own voice. i think that the protest is just one prong of a multi-pronged strategy. you have to also have a political strategy where you vote in your interest, where you use your numbers to your advantage, and where you vote strategically, if people don't do what you want them to do with the resources, then you vote them out. so there has to be that protest strategy, there has to be a political strategy. but there also has to be a legal strategy, if we cannot get justice through the criminal justice system, then we have to go the civil route. and so i think the protest is absolutely necessary, and i think you have to allow them to speak in their own voice and in their own way to get that message across. >> that's going to have to be the last -- >> but there has to be -- >> go ahead, lawrence. quickly, please. >> there has to be -- there has to be some leadership as well,
though. it's going to take some of the seasoned, more civil rights leaders to get involved. if this goes all the way back to mlk and john lewis. where he disagreed with mlk, but there had to be some leadership from above to say guys, i have lived through this. you should take this wisdom and we can work together. i am all for the positive energy in the proactivity of young people, but we have to do it the right way. >> i think the lesson here is don't let somethione else steal your strategy and your narrative and change your narrative. in other words to do that, you have to have leadership and be on message. thank you very much. thank you, lawrence, thank you, solomon. >> up next, calls for a boycott in baton rouge after a black man was shot to death by police there earlier this week. the mother of alton sterling's oldest son joins me for a live interview. plus, a live interview with the secretary of state and democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton right here on cnn just moments away. stay with us.
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the killings of alton sterling and filauphilando cast might not have sparked outrage had their deaths not been captured on video. now their survivors and officials are praising social media as a force for good in exposing police conduct. i want you to imagine for a moment that you are cameron sterling. imagine that you are just 15 years old, and you're waking up one morning to every social media outlet and every news agency playing a video of your father being wrestled to the ground, pinned down by officers
and then shot and killed. it's a nightmare that my next guest has faced under her roof this week. she has faced it up close and personal and i watched that interview. high heart was breaking for you. she's cameron sterling's mother and alton sterling's former partner. she joins me along with her attorney, chris stewart. thank you both so much for being here. and i spoke to you the other day. you said you hadn't eaten. you hadn't slept. it was devastating for you. and i can't even imagine, but how is cameron holding up? >> he's holding up a little better than i thought he would be. he told me, he said, mama, right now i just want to be a normal 15-year-old kid again. >> yeah. that's going to be hard for quite some time. that's not going to be easy. >> right.
>> how are you doing? >> i'm staying strong for cameron and i and the rest of the family members. >> yeah. you have been calling for the family, i know, have been calling for transparency in this. do you feel that justice is on the way? do you think that investigators and law enforcement are handling this in the proper way? >> i most certainly do. i know justice is coming. >> yeah. do you know when quinyetta will be able to see the video, the surveillance video, the store video from the body cameras, do you know when that's going to happen, chris? >> no, we haven't gotten word on that yet, but we are demanding that that get released. from my understanding, the surveillance footage caught
everything. and the troth is going to fix this whole thing. >> it has been a few days since this happened. and you know, the nation has been dealing with not only this and then there was another shooting, you know, near minneapolis, minnesota. when you woke up to that, were you even able to watch that video of the young lady in the car with her fiance? >> no, i couldn't. i couldn't bear to watch that. >> it's a pain -- i have spoken to mothers and wives and family members who say that it is a club that you definitely don't want to be a member of. it's a pain that you can't understand unless you're dealing with it. >> they're absolutely correct. it's unbearable pain. especially being a mother with a teenage son, and it's like, you
know, what's the next thing that you tell him besides i love you? and everything is going to be okay. we have to stay together. we have to pray together. and honestly, that's what's really been keeping me and cameron focused. with the help of my family as well. >> mm-hmm. you said that you didn't want, you know, a terrible negative narrative to be put out there in the media about alton. what do you want people to know about him? >> i want the world to know that alton was a great dad to not just cameron but also to his siblings. him selling his cds every day, it was nothing for the kids to call and say, well, daddy, can i have, or can we do? and if he didn't have it, he also would say, you know,
tomorrow i got you tomorrow, we're going to do it tomorrow. and that's one thing he always kept, when he told those kids something, 9 times out of 10, they did exactly what they wanted to do or had what they needed. i just want everybody to remember him as a good man. >> in the neighborhood, it has been said that maybe he wanted to protect himself because he had been -- people had been bothering him or threatening. at least to steal from him. do you know anything about that? >> i most certainly don't know anything about that. >> you have heard that, chris, haven't you? >> you know, i have heard a number of different things. but we haven't verified yet much u about the alleged weapon he had. he never pulled it out. >> yeah. and you can see in the video, the officer pulling it from the pocket. that it wasn't outside of his pocket.
quine quinetta, i'm sure you saw. you know what happened in dallas with the police officers. what's your reaction to that? >> my reaction to the officers in dallas. it's -- it's, again, another piece of unbearable pain. it's saddening to see these families have to deal with this, as i'm dealing with the pain from alton sterling. those people did not deserve what happened to them. it's unbelievable. >> it's ridiculous, don. it's ridiculous. i want people to actually think and listen to this. do they think that's going to solve anything with police interactions with minorities? do you think that now an officer is going to take his time a little more or not use excessive force or the officer that's already trigger happy isn't
going to pull the trigger faster because you took some innocent lives? do you think that's going to fix it? you're wrong. all you're going to do is cause more drama, more pain, for pointless revenge, which is stupid. then i'm going to have another family just like this one next to me with a young african-american male dead over pure stupidity. what is taking other innocent lives going to fix? do it the right way. use that anger to vote people out of office who aren't supporting the community. use that anger to get the right organizations organized. use that anger to punish the officers who kill people, like alton, and make sure they stay in jail for the rest of their life like slager will. do it the right way because that nonsense is just going to make things worse. >> quinyetta, i'll give you the last word. what do you want people to know about what chris just said? >> chris just gave everybody the
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has been a vicious, calculated and despicable attack on law enforcement. police in dallas were on duty doing their jobs, keeping people safe during peaceful protests. i believe that i speak for every single american when i say that we are horrified over these events and that we stand united with the people and the police department in dallas. there's no possible justification for these kinds of attacks. or any violence against law enforcement. the fbi is already in touch with the dallas police, and anyone involved in these senseless murders will be held fully accountable. justice will be done. >> so let's talk about this now with cnn political commentator and former south carolina lawmaker bakari sellers. bakari, hello to you on this really, really sad afternoon
here. the president used the word horrified after an attack on major u.s. cities, a major u.s. city's police force by an american vet politically. what happens next? >> that's an interesting question. i think that over the past three days, our country has been gut punched, not once, not twice, but three times. and we have to do what we have been known to do, which is stand up right. but we have to deal with some of the troubling issues that we have in this country. i was speaking to a good friend of mine who is a lawyer, a republican in pennsylvania. who said she felt like we were sliding back into 1968. and that's not where we need to be going. you know, for me, i'm of the impression that we have seven funerals over the next week. and if you can't mourn for alton sterling, i mean, excuse me, if you can't mourn for alton and
lando and the five officers, all, then you're a part of the problem. >> yeah. each of them is just as tragic as the next, and all appears just unnecessary. unnecessary. in the wake of this dallas ambush, bakari, the congressional black caucus held a news conference today. paul ryan, also, the house speaker, commenting from the house floor. let's listen to it. >> my heart is broken and we will pray this weekend in houston, marching for peace, nonviolence, and the action of the united states congress to take violent guns and violent people off the streets of this nation. >> we again today call upon speaker ryan, chairman goodlatte, to convene an adult conversation about the use of deadly force, the need for ar-15s on our streets, the needs for high capacity magazines, no
fly no buy. >> a few perpetrators of evil do not represent us. they do not control us. the blame lies with the people who committed these vicious acts and no one and no one else. >> i thought the speakers, his speech was very compelling and i thought, to me, you know, i felt like he was sort of reaching and trying to appeal to people on the other side of the aisle. and the congressional black caucus, is this a direct appeal to him and do you see any common ground between these two sides, any policy solution that can be worked out? >> well, i'm hopeful. i think we all are hopeful. and i think that, you know, the black caucus and i think speaker ryan have all realized it's time for leadership in this country and not time for politics but true leadership. as a democrat, i've been on your
show many times and i've blasted paul ryan and i've blasted donald trump and i've blasted the nra. even today, just recently, the nra came out with a statement talking about the shooting in minnesota. paul ryan's comments from the floor today. donald trump's statement this morning. all of those things struck a tone. >> let me read the statements. this is what donald trump tweeted. ed prayers and condolences to all of the families who are so thoroughly devastated by horrors we are all watching take place in our country and this is what hillary clinton said. i mourn for the officers shot while doing their sacred duty to protect peaceful protesters and for their families and all who served them. we are waiting for an interview from her moments away. again, continue. i wonder if there is any consensus that could be met from the two side? >> well, i think there is consens consensus, don. at the end of the day, look. i'm tired of the violence at theaters in aurora.
i'm tired of the violence at schools in sandy hook. i'm tired of african-americans getting gunned down at traffic stops. and i'm tired of officers who were out there protecting our sacred first amendment right and getting gunned down by snipers. it's all been too much. this last day, i saw you last night on tv. and the anger that you felt. i mean, i was hopeful that white viewers who were looking at that were able to understand that anger. i mean, i understand my passion last night when talking about these issues. i was hopeful that white viewers would be able to understand that because this morning when i woke up and realized that five police officers were gunned down and 12 total were shot, i mean, i cried those same tears and i'm hopeful that if you did not cry those tears for those officers this morning, you were part of the problem as well. we have to begin to come together in this country. we have to. >> i've got to go. but i was just as angry and it was breaking news last night, though, about the five officers but hi to keep it together. but, today, i find myself just
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welcome back. we now know the identity of a police officer who shot and killed minnesota resident philando ka steecastile. a second officer on the scene was identified as joseph cowser. both on administrative leave. many are reacting to what happened in dallas including castile's fiancee diamond reynolds. >> today is not only about justice and getting justice but it's about all of the families that have lost people. this thing that has happened in dallas, it was not because of something that transpired in minnesota today. this is bigger than philando.
this is bigger than trayvon martin. this is bigger than sandra bland. this is bigger than all of us. so, today, i just want justice for everyone. everyone around the world. not just for my boyfriend and the good man that he was, because i'm going to continue to stay strong for him and i want all of you guys to do the same. >> cnn's rosa flores is at the site of the shooting where a memorial is growing. tell us about it, rosa. >> reporter: don, you know, this is the intersection where that police officer geronimo yanaz pulled over philando and his girlfriend. this is the intersection where those shots were fired and where diamond reynolds shot that grisly video that she narrated. so let me show you around. now it has grown to a memorial site. you see balloons and flowers, signs that say peace or justice
for philando castile. dolls as well. candles. even cards from children that have been left here as well. now i've talked to some of the people who have come here to leave flowers and leave their messages of hope and unity and here is what one of them had to say. >> you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem. so i'm trying to stand here and take accountability for being a membership of the community in which his murder happened and to say that our community cannot just pretend that their own lives and own busyness is more important than taking a stand and saying, oh, my god, now it's us. j here >> reporter: here is one of the other messages. thank you, phil, for the miles and the extra food. you deserved a life of peace and love. rip. now, don, i chose that message
in particular because if you went to a public school in this country like i did, there was always that important woman or man that was at the food line that always gave you that extra piece of bread or that extra, extra piece of food that you needed. and that is what this message really resonates because as we know, he was a cafeteria worker. >> and those are the folks that you remember your entire life. thank you, rosa flores. presht th i appreciate that. i'll see you at 10:00 p.m. if i don't see you in "the situation room" before. "the lead" with jim sciutto starts right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> welcome to to "the lead." i'm jim sciutto. in today for jake tapper. here we are again. sadly. fast moving afternoon of news. the nation reeling, yet again, from gun violence. any minute now, we expect to hear from hillary clinton, t