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myself, this is real. >> there's no possible justification for these kinds of attacks. >> we're hurting. dallas officers are hurting. we are heartbroken. >> from day one he was a hero. >> let's come together as a country. okay. >> black lives matter. >> oh, my god please don't tell me he's dead. >> i want justice. i want people to know who did this to us. >> i for one, will not rest until adequate punishment is served to all parties involved. . >> it's been emotionally exhausting hasn't it? and we are happy to have you with us as we walk through the developments of the last several days. and what's happening this morning, good morning to you, everybody, i'm christi paul. victor blackwell is with us in dallas, texas. >> reporter: i was in front of
the dallas police department headquarters here. we begin "cnn newsroom" right now. and dallas has been left reeling this morning after five of the city's finest were gunned down thursday night. that attack happened after cops patrolled this peaceful march, a protest of two dead men who were killed by police officers. the men were in louisiana and minnesota. the rash of protests happening across the country. let's go to phoenix where police used pepper spray and shot bean bags pushing back protesters trying to overrun a freeway. three people were arrested after rocks were thrown at police. there are more protests expected today including some in washington, starting this hour. we're waiting to hear from the president. he'll be speaking from warsaw in about two hours from now. president obama is cutting his european trip short. heading to dallas we're told early next week.
now, we are following the story from every angle. i want to start with paolo sandov sandoval. he has been tracking protests nationwide. >> it was a very busy night across the country, mainly here in atlanta. much of the stories in the numbers, an estimated 10,000 people, demonstrators took to the streets yesterday. two people were arrested after they refused to get off the roadway. and that really does speak to the level restraint i personally witnessed. not just on the set of law enforcement, but also among some of the demonstrators. when you see the pictures from the air yesterday, this is when this demonstration came to a head as some of the demonstrators tried to make their way on to the downtown connector you would find between downtown and midtown atlanta. officials made it clear these demonstrators would have free range throughout the city if they want to march down the city streets as long as they stayed off the highway. about two hours into the very lengthy demonstration, many of the individuals tried to make their way on to the highway. that's when state troopers moved in blocking the roadway.
this is what officials wanted to not see. this is early on, we heard from atlanta's mayor cuseem reed saying this would be a delicate balance. they want to insure the individuals have the freedom and the right to assemble and have their voice heard. when it came down to public safety he wanted them off the highway. i want you to hear from the mayor as he went to the streets himself as people got the message that they were free to stay on the road as long as they stayed off the highway. >> i want to make sure you are safe. you have a first amendment right. i respect that. the only thing i wanted to make sure that nobody got killed on our freeways, i'm going to let you continue to protest. god bless you, i'll see you all later. >> atlanta's mayor making available a figure in civil right ambassador, andy young, having him speak to some of these individuals, the
ambassador there a former ambassador recalling when he walked with dr. martin luther king on these streets. he said he never made it to the highways. it's a reminder for people as they continue to plan future protests throughout the country to at least stay off the roadways, really it's about public safety. >> all right. thank you so much for giving us a look at the scene in atlanta. i want to go back to the scene in phoenix overnight. and give you a real feel of what was happening there. i'll pause as we listen to what happened overnight in phoenix during those protests. [ chanting ] >> i have no animosity against you. why you want to hurt me? >> again, the scene there in phoenix. pretty contentious protests here. between officers you see there
with the riot gear and many of the people who are calling for an end to the police violence they call it. the brutality they describe. we'll continue to look at the protests as they happen that are scheduled throughout the weekend. one scheduled to shatart in washington this hour. back in dallas, i want to go to baylor university medical center. that's where some of the shooting survivors were taken right after the shooting on thursday night. they were there early friday morning. kyung lah is there for us. >> reporter: we understand there is one police officer who is still in the hospital here, the last we had heard from the mayor is that all of the patients who were brought here and it was a very hectic scene as the shooting was happening. all the officers that were brought here who were wounded they are expected to survive. they have been either through surgery treated and released or in the process of being released. that's some good news.
it was a gut wrenching scene outside baylor university medical center as the police officers were holding vigil. waiting to hear what was going to happen to their fellow officers. inside that emergency room, medical personnel were desperately trying to save lives, trying to save these officers. and we spoke to a doctor and a nurse who gave us a glimpse of what was happening as the officers were arriving. at what point did it start to dawn on everybody what was happening inside the city? >> i think it was when the officers started all coming in and you saw their emotions and their frustrations. and just how sad they were, and just really one officer was -- he was watching the news and hearing what was happening out there and the emotions he had because those were his -- that was his team out there that was being shot at. and they -- he started crying
when he was watching the news. i think that's when it hit me oh, my gosh, you know, this could really be like orlando. we have to prepare for the worst and we don't know how many patients are going to be coming in or whether they be police officers or civilians. we have to be ready for these guys. >> reporter: and a little context, that nurse, her husband, victor, is a dallas police officer. he was not hurt in the shooting. victor? >> wow. wow. kyung lah at baylor university medical center. thank you so much. just in, we've learned that a gunman has been killed in a officer involved shooting in the houston area. it's a three and a half hour drive from dallas. according to the spokes woman for the houston driver's license. two officers were on patrol when they came across a moan who was standing in the street pointing a gun in the air.
and he pointed it at the officers, both the officers shot the man, killed him. if we get more on that we'll bring it to you. the standoff between dallas police and the gunman who killed five officers ended in what may be a first for law enforcement. the use of a robot. have you heard about this the robot carrying a bomb, some have criticized that move, but earlier on cnn a law enforcement analyst cedric alexander said he agrees with the dallas police chief david brown when he said he had no choice. >> i think it's important to understand in the context of the threat that the officers have to face out there today, whether it's in dallas orlando, and certainly in san bernardino, which is a very clear case of i.e.d.'s being utilized by those who had field training in the middle east, and that's the threat in which our police officers are up against. so sometimes they're going to have to make decisions and then
we're going to have to do things that are different. >> cnn's george howell expounds on that for us as to how robots are being used to keep men and women in uniform safe. watch. >> there's the robot. going towards the i.e.d. >> reporter: remote controlled robots have been used by the u.s. military in the wars in iraq and afghanistan. to difffuse explosive devices. here's a scene from the movie, the hurt locker. >> oh. look at that. >> nice 155. >> reporter: in recent years, some local police departments have invested in the technology to investigate suspicious packages and cargo. al in dallas a potential first in the united states a delivery of an explosive device by a robot that was used to kill the police shooting suspect holed up
in a garage. negotiations to end the standoff had gone on for hours. >> we saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on the -- its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was. other options would have exposed officers to grave danger. >> reporter: police have not released the details of their tactic, what type of robot was used information about the bomb or how it was detonated or if the robot was present at the time of the explosion. >> could be picking up evidence, could be picking up potential explosive devices. >> reporter: endeavor robotics says it has sold robots to several police departments in the dallas area but wasn't sure if their device was used thursday night. >> our purpose is to keep people
at a safe distance from hazardous conditions. we've seen that in the wars in iraq and afghanistan with the i.e.d. threat. >> reporter: robots are expensive with some costing more than $100,000. local police departments say the technology is worth the cost. >> before bomb technician had to climb into a suit go down and take care of business. now we can use the robotic system. it's made the job so much better. >> reporter: george howell cnn, dallas, texas. >> and, again, christi, the chief here, david brown said the shooter was hell bents on killing any officer that would come in to any close proximity to him. he had no choice but to use the robot with a bomb on one of the arms. and it was successful here, ended the standoff after several hours. >> it certainly did. victor blackwell, thank you so much. i'm going to go back to victor in just a couple minutes. i want to tell you about a police officer in new mexico.
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. welcome back, i'm victor blackwell in front of the dallas police department headquarters here. and many of the conversations that we've had and maybe you have had over the last week have been along racial lines. black americans on one side, white police officers on another. but what about people who are black police officers? well, my next guest is just that, he says that he lives in two worlds. his characterization, worlds that often clash. his name is anwa sanders, he's an officer in albuquerque new mexico. he wrote an open letter posted on cnn.com back in 2014.
he said since the death of michael brown, america has been in an intense debate over how law enforcement operates in communities of color. i'm an african-american police officer, a term that seems like an oxymoron these days and like thousands of men and women who wear blue i exist in two worlds. he is with us now. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> tell me about these two worlds. flesh that out a bit for me. the feeling of being a black officer in uniform. especially in the context of what we've seen this week. >> well, it's the institutionalized racism i keep referring to. we have to remember while i'm in uniform i go through the same discrimination i am when i'm on the outside of the uniform. i'm an advocate for both sides. i'm going to be black longer than a police officer if that makes sense.
>> okay. you know, there may be people who look to you for answers on how to bring two communities, two populations together. how do you answer those questions that may come from people who are outside of the uniform or from your department? >> i think the first thing is acknowledging a problem. i feel like it seems like we're kind of disregard racism. like for some reason it doesn't exist anymore. and it's 2016. it seems like we should be far past it. but the very -- the reality is it still exists. racism is so real. it's subliminal. they don't know they're racist. it's that perceived threat, why are black people so much more scary than white. it's just admitting that is very real. we keep seeing it being proven by these unfortunate events that are happening. it's admitting there's a problem. i feel like we're talking about hey was there drugs in the car, was there this.
no, let's talk about hey, there's a real problem with racism right now. >> michael brown's mother, leslie, wrote an op-ed for "the new york times" after the death of two black men this week. alton sterling, philando castile. it's a problem when you look to the law as a protector and it comes into your community and shoots people dead with no remorse or consequences. it's a problem that you have someone law enforcement trying to do the right thing and others who bring shame on the badge. there are a lot of people i'm sure who echo those sentiments and some who would have problems with it. from your perspective, how do you at least beyond acknowledging the problem, start the conversation? >> i echo what she said. i mean, these type of events as a law enforcement officer, it's
so hard for us. because these things happen and it's like oh, my gosh i still have to go to work. you know you'll take the backlash of someone else's mistake. we look at those individuals when they make the poor decisions, it's like gee thanks look at what we have to deal with because of what you did. there's so many of us out there that want to do good work. and we're here for the community and here to help people. that's what we signed up to do and we have guys making poor decision and got officers getting killed that are innocent because of it. >> yeah, all right. officer an war sanders thank you for being with us this morning and thank you for your work and service. what started as a hashtag has turned into a rallying cry. we're going to take a look back at the birth of black lives matter.
. back live here outside of dallas police headquarters. there are many people, families who are now coming here to see this memorial. i don't know if you can hear from my mike, christi the rumble of motorcycles. there was a group that came through with american flags on the backs of those motorcycles. a show of solidarity from
several groups throughout the morning. >> yeah, it's definitely something to see. victor blackwell thank so much. victor in dallas there. a lot of people look back and think this started -- part of it started with #blacklivesmatter. it was started after the shooting of trayvon martin. that's when the organization made its presence felt and since then in demonstrations following the deaths of african-american men in police custody. randy kaye takes a look to where we got here today. >> reporter: what started with a hashtag has turned into rallying cry. the goal, to shine a line on racial injustice. >> this is the generation that wants to dismantle structural racism. this is the generation that wants to get at the core of it,
to get at the systemic problem. >> reporter: the black lives matter movement was born after the shooting death of florida teen trayvon martin when his killer, george zimmerman was cleared of any wrong doing. >> we find george zimmerman not guilty. >> reporter: the deaths of african-americans at the hands of police gave rise to more voices of protest. there was eric garner in new york. and michael brown in ferguson. where the movement really began to take hold. . >> the people, the local neighborhoods in ferguson were willing to call attention to the issues, right. they were willing to put their lives on the line for mike brown and for their own future. >> reporter: 12-year-old tamir rice who had a pellet gun was killed by police in cleveland. >> the young man pulled a weapon
out and the officer fired. >> reporter: tony robinson, eric harris, walter scott, freddie gray. in most instances the officers were not indicted. >> they need to take care of our country. the police are supposed to project us. >> reporter: while some believe the movement has actually incited violence and worsened race relations, its founders disagree. >> the reality is this is a peaceful human rights movement led by incredibly courageous black people. i think we're demanding justice and freedom for our people. >> the controversial shooting deaths of two black men after encounters with officers has sparked so much emotion and outrage across the country. a lot of people calling for charge. and a lot of people wondering, does the change come regarding police attitudes or police training? is it something within the
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president obama will be speaking with reporters in a couple of hours, he's expected to comment on the deaths of five police officers in dallas. authorities are trying to peace together how and why 25-year-old army veteran who served in afghanistan was able to shoot so many people from multiple locations in downtown dallas. now, a search of his home turned up bomb making materials and combat manuals. police we know did something that has never been done before in this country, at least to our knowledge to end a standoff they sent a robotic rover armed with a bomb to kill this gunman in his hiding place. this is just the latest blow for the chief of police here, this event that happened on thursday
night. his six years of head of the force has been marred by tragedy. he lost his former partner, his brother, his son. >> reporter: the city of dallas is reeling. horrified after thursday's vicious ambush. the sniper's target, police. particularly white police officers. five police officers killed and seven others wounded after a gunman opened fire at a downtown dallas protest. over police killings of young black men. amid the chaos and fear, a strong voice has emerged. >> there are no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our city. >> reporter: calling for peace, calling for respect. dallas police chief david brown must calm a terrified city. at the same time, he's dealing with the aftermath of the deadliest assault on law enforcement since 9/11. >> we don't feel much support
most days. let's not make today most days. please, we need your support to be able to protect you from men like these who carried out this tragic, tragic event. >> reporter: he is a 30 year veteran of the dallas police department. few people know heart break loss and pain better than chief brown who lost a colleague, a son, and his brother to violence. six years ago, his own son killed a police officer and another man before police fatally shot his son more than a dozen times. brown's younger brother, was killed by drug dealers back in the 90s. he doesn't talk much about those losses. but now he must unravel what happened behind an unthinkable
massacre. >> through our investigation of some of the suspects, it's revealed to us that this was a well-plann well-planned, well-thought out evil tragedy by these suspects. and we won't rest until we bring everyone involved to justice. >> reporter: under brown's leadership, the dallas police department worked hard to reduce incidents of excessive force in recent years. police trained to use tasers instead of bullets in certain situations. now, some of these officers are dead. and one man must help a city mend. >> in the police profession, we're very comfortable with not hearing thank you from citizens especially who need us the most.
we're used to it. >> thank you. thank you. >> so today feels like a different day. than the days before this tragedy. because you're here. because dallas is a city that loves. >> reporter: sara sidner, cnn, dallas. >> the tragedy in dallas is the latest of course in a series of high profile shootings, demonstrators were initially in dallas protesting the police shooting deaths of two men, alton sterling and philando castile. they are calling for retraining for some departments. joining us hillary clinton supporter scott bolden and our
cnn law enforcement analyst. scott good morning to you. >> good morning. >> you just returned back from i think a place that is at the center of the conversation, should there be retraining. tell us about that and the conversations that are happening about law enforcement training. >> this is -- i just recently came from the federal law enforcement training center. i spent six years there representing them in washington, d.c. the conversation has been going on for several years, at least three years i know of. regarding retraining law enforcement officers. trying to take away a lot of the militarization and get back to serving the public. but you have to have both. there's got to be a balance here. because of incidents like we had here in dallas, you have to be ready to arm up. but you also have to learn how to serve the public. >> three years, this conversation has been going on. >> it has. >> has there been any action? >> there has been action. at least 800,000 police
officers, sheriffs in this country. it takes a long time to trickle the training down. it's happening, it's a conversation the chiefs of police are having. it's a conversation that each state's training facilities are having. it is happening, it's just going to take a while for this conversation to trickle down to actual action. >> scott, to you, from the perspective of presidential politics, what is the role, and what are we hearing about retraining? and making that a priority and not just a talking point. >> well, i think hillary clinton has indicated best yesterday about calling for universal guidelines on the use of deadly force. i think that's a good start. i think that art is saying there's a balance in this training that needs to be open dialogue, brave, courageous dialogue about race not just in this country but the relationship between the police and the communities they serve, especially in urban areas. let me make this point, victor, and this is important. we need universal guidelines and
training or rather testing who we give a badge and gun to, who we hire as police. that is, let's weed out the socio paths and the racists, weed out the narcissists who may harbor these views. not all police do. but those that do, we need to find out who they are before we give them a gun and badge. if we had that type of universal psychological testing you'll see a number of these incidents go down over time. that's what needs to be happening as part of the national dialogue on testing or retraining rather as well. >> from that perspective, the initial entry into some of the programs are recruitment. >> i agree. but here's the problem. it's -- i've talk today a lot of chiefs of police about this and even the federal law enforcement agencies have this same problem. it's getting harder and harder to hire people to pass the background to bring them on board. unfortunately i think what is happening out there is some of the police departments are
lowering their standards. and we get these types of issues. >> why is it harder? >> it's passing backgrounds, it's -- that's the main issue is passing backgrounds. >> aren't these the same background tests that have been in place for some time? or are they new test? >> it's newer tests. some are giving actual polygraphs for lifestyle stuff. it's just being -- i hear this from chiefs of police all the time, that they're not able to fill the vacancies, the positions they have within their police departments. >> lowering standards is not the answer. >> it's not the answer. >> i'm sure people would like to know their police departments are selective. do you expect that after the week this country has had with the deaths of castile sterling and the officers here that we'll see any real change? >> are you talking to me? i'm sorry, forgive me. >> that question is to you. >> i'm sorry, forgive me.
i certainly hope so. we're in a very sad and mourning period. the shooter in dallas was an enemy of the protesters and an enemy of the police. and exploited the fact they were together, trying to peacefully protest and participate in their first amendment right. i certainly hope so. we can't take many more days of this. we need to have a real dialogue about where we are with the police and our community for first of all -- second of all, leadership on both the republican and the democratic side, have got to lead that discussion and talk about love and kindness, but more importantly about resolution and what type of country we really want to be a part of. because the last three or four days, it's been tough on believers that love conquers all. i think we've got to be brave and courageous and have that dialogue about race. we're so uncomfortable talking about race and differences, yet -- >> it is an uncomfortable conversation. >> we have so many similarities.
>> scott, bolden, thank you so much for being with us. art roderick, as always. christi i'm going to give it back to you. >> thank you, gentleman. still ahead there's a new social media app that seems to be redefining the news landscape. brian skelter has been looking into it. what did you find interesting? >> this week could have been different if we hadn't seen live streams from minnesota and texas. facebook facing questions about how it handles graphic video that pops up in your news feed. we're talk about it after the break. the fastest food truck min brooklyn. meet mylanta® tonight. it's also fast, but unlike godawgs, it makes heartburn after dinner, history. new mylanta® tonight. faster than heartburn.
the shooting death of philando castile during the traffic stop in minnesota was bad enough. even more shocking is how his girlfriend was able to broadcast the tragedy in realtime with her smartphone. . >> we got pulled over for a busted tail light in the back and the police [ bleep ] he's covered. he killed my [ bleep ]. he's licensed to carry. he was trying to get out his i.d. and his wallet out his pocket and he let the officer know that he was -- had a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet. and the officer just shot him in his arm. we're waiting for -- i will, sir. no worries. [ bleep ] he just shot his arm off. we got pulled over. >> it's just so hard to watch.
you think of her, you think of him, what they're going through. she's able to keep it together so clearly in that moment. but facebook live is a relatively new feature. in this video, though, it's already redefining the boundaries of journ journalism. brian skelter, host of reliable sources is joining us from new york. i'm wondering what you're learning about the capabilities and affect it has on these cases? >> it company is having to face these questions now. because facebook live is brand-new, as you mentioned it came out a few months ago. if you have facebook you have it and don't know it. on your phone, on your app go live, press the live button and broadcast. you can do that to show you a birthday party and show your friends what you're doing, this can be used to show death and violence. we saw it in texas and minnesota. a number of people near that protest were able to show the ambush as it happened live on facebook.
what's crucial here is that as the woman says, diamond reynolds is the video, stay with me. it's a much more intimate up close video. she's telling her friends to be eyewitnesses to the aftermath of the shooting. what's crucial is that facebook also records what you're doing live. so people can see it afterwards. that's why this video has been seen millions of times and was able to be shown on television. some experts say facebook live came of age this week the same way television came of age during the jfk assassination. if the video is important, shows context like a police shooting or ambush they'll keep it online. >> we appreciate you looking into that. thank you so much. still ahead, there are certainly more questions than there are answers today in the fatal police shooting of alton sterling outside a baton rouge
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killed by a police officer in minnesota. that was during a traffic stop on wednesday. an attorney representing the officer who fired, that officis statement. this incident had nothing to do with race but everything to do with the presence of a gun. tragedically the use of force became necessary in reacting to the actions of the driver of a stopped vehicle. officer yanezis deeply saddened for the family and loved ones of philando castile. we're still waiting to hear from the attorneys of the officers from the shooting of alton sterling in baton rouge, louisiana. sterling was selling cd's and dvd's outside a convenience store when a confrontation with police turned deadly. how it escalated to that level is still not clear.
but sterling's loved ones are desperate for answers. our nick valencia has that story. >> reporter: in one of her first sit down interviews, she's still raw with emotion. >> my heart is heavy right now. >> reporter: next to her attorney, chris turner, she speaks frankly to cnn about the killing of her child's father. >> just from the little bit that i saw of footage, i felt like they could have approached him different. the words they used could have been different. >> reporter: cnn was told by a source with knowledge of the investigation, that it was a homeless man who made the 911 call against sterling. the caller said sterling was brandishing a gun outside the sss convenience store. mcmillan doesn't think that's how things started. >> i don't believe there was a homeless man that asked for
money and alton didn't give it. because he was not that type of person. alton will give you the shirt of his back if you needed it. [ inaudible ] i do. and you know, every time i get kind of emotional, i think, you know, come through to me. help me stand strong so i know the right things to say and do so that you can have justice. to me, justice is making sure everything is in order, making sure that the system that we have, see what i see.
and i want them to be in prison. i want them behind bars. i believe deep down in my soul justice will be served. i don't hate them. i dislike what they did. but i don't hate them. >> reporter: hate she says won't bring sterling back. but she will never be the same again. >> nick valencia there for us. thank you so much. and thank you for watching this morning. >> absolutely. victor live for us in dallas, thank you so much. victor, there is much more ahead in cnn's newsroom with wolf blitzer after this break. stay close. but we mean so much . we mean how can we help?
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welcome to our special coverage of the dallas police ambush i'm wolf blitzer reporting. just in to cnn we're learning new disturbing details about the gunman michael johnson while serving in the u.s. army in afghanistan. johnson was accused of sexual harassment by a fellow female soldier. he was honorably discharged