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thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. much more coming up right here tomorrow. stay with us throughout the night for expanded coverage. the aftermath of the dallas massacre. erin burnett out front starts right now. out front next, deadly shooting at a courthouse in michigan. two bailiffs killed, sheriff's deputy wounded. new details at this hour. latest on the dallas ambush and the killer robot used to stop the sniper. and philando castile pulled over 52 times. his death caught on video. did police target him? let's go "out front." i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight breaking news, courthouse shootout today, two bailiffs shot and killed in michigan in a courthouse today. gunfire breaking out late this afternoon.
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shooter, inmate, reportedly grabbing a gun from a deputy, opening fire. in addition to killing the two bailiffs he wounded a deputy sheriff and at least one civilians days after an army vet killed five dallas police officers. much more on the investigation of the dallas ambush and what we're learning about that shooter tonight, including a large stockpile of bomb-making materials found during the search of micah xavier johnson's home, telling police the materials made it clear johnson was not a novice. he knew what he was doing. out of st. joseph, michigan, 100 miles east of chicago. deadly courthouse shooting. as we said, two bailiffs have been killed today in a gunfight. ryan, what more can you tell us? >> reporter: very heavy hearts here. we just finished talking to the sheriff about 20 minutes ago. there are still s.w.a.t. officers just behind me. this remains a very active scene. this has really impacted this community as they're talking about this. what we know is investigators are still up there on the third floor when an inmate grabbed a
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gun from a deputy, opened fire, killing two bailiffs and then shooting that deputy and also shooting that civilian. two others moved in, opened fire, killing him there. when we talked to the sheriff he said he knew these men for 30 years. he was heartbreaking, shaking, and his hand was trembling as he was talking about the impact this has had. the governor talking about being here to make sure he pays respect to the folks who lost their lives up there. this active investigation is still ongoing and learning more information about every half hour or so. >> ryan, that the point, do you have any sense as to motive? obviously, you're saying he was an inmate. something -- a crime of opportunity in the context of what we're talking about now with the police violence, with the police-involved shootings, any sense of what the motive might be? >> we wanted to talk about that. the bailiffs are all armed and so are the deputies. right now we're not sure if this was just someone who was trying to escape or targeting the ones
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who he opened fire on. we know a civilian was hit in the hallway as he was trying to run through that hallway. sounds like maybe there was an escape involved here. we'll get more information in the next few hours or so. not only about the inmate but the folks who died here, who laid their lives on the line. >> thank you so much, ryan young. as we await those details we're learning more about the dallas shooter tonight. micah xavier johnson, twice scrawling letters r-b in his own blood on walls of the parking garage where he was holed up during the ambush. during a two-hour negotiation, he told police he had planted bombs around the city. kyung lah is live in dallas. >> reporter: tonight, new details on the weapons gunman micah johnson carried the night he killed officers. a glock pistol, another handgun and ak-style semi automatic rifle as they pour through the
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evidence. >> there's over 170 hours of body camera video to download. and that is ongoing. detectives are also collecting all dash cam video. >> reporter: dallas police chief david brown describing the delusional behavior of the gunman, singing, laughing and writing a final cryptic message. the initials, "rb" on the walls in his own blood. tonight new details of micah johnson's troubled past. newly released records show he graduated near the bottom of his high school class, then joining the military. his mother saying her son wasn't the same after seven months in afghanistan. >> i didn't see it coming. i love my son with all my heart. i hate what he did. >> the military is not what m e micah thought it would be. the idea that he thought our government, what he thought the military represented.
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it just didn't live up to his expectations. >> reporter: while in the army, micah johnson was accused of sexual harassment by a female soldier in the spring of 2014 while they were both serving in afghanistan. he received an horge discharge. standard, low-level marksmanship training but nothing extensive. bomb-making material found in johnson's home, nothing he would learn in the military. >> there's a lot of questions. it's very complex. this person obviously had some delusion. this person also was very committed to killing officers. to be quite honest, i'm running on fumes. >> dallas' police chief ungarnished about his own and his department's fatigue, acknowledging threats against his and his family's life on facebook. then candidly, openly spoke about the frustration of policing. >> we're asking cops to do too much in this country. we are. we're just asking us to do too
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much. every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. >> reporter: he also says that they're having a hard time trying to retain police officers, especially in this city. starting salary here in dallas is $44,000. that's according to the police chief. in just about an hour, there will be a candlelight vigil, put on in the area you see behind me, erin. it is the vigil put on by the police department for the fallen police officers. five officers expected to speak, each one representing the five lives lost. erin? >> out front now, clay jenkins, chief executive, director of homeland security and emergency management there as well. thank you very much. i appreciate it, clay. i know -- let me start with some of the new information. we know that johnson had a journal, that he had been writing things down, perhaps planning in there. is there anything more you can tell us about that?
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>> this is the crime of opportunity for him. he was looking for a greater amount of mayhem where he could put more ieds out and build those bombs. so, we're not fortunate because we've had a great loss of life, but it could have been worse. >> when you talk about the ieds, the police chief obviously saying a bomb tech who looked at the stockpile in his home said he knew what he was doing and the quote was, this wasn't some novice. you heard our reporter saying he wouldn't have had training to do this sort of thing in the military. do you know how he learned all of this? did he have any help? >> well, we're looking at that, to see if there's any complicity on anyone else. they're pouring through that evidence to see about that. i don't want to give people a road map on how they would learn that information, but there are
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places to get information on how to make an improvised explosive device. they're pretty readily accessible to people committed to getting those. this was a person who was determined and dedicated to murder as many people as he could. >> as we're talking, i want to make sure the viewers know what they're seeing on the screen. these are live protests in chicago. you can see hundreds, at least, on our screen, gathering right now in front of that blockade of cars there blocking off that road completely, as you can see, with those cars starting to back up. clay, the other thing we heard about is the shooter wrote "rb" in at least two locations in the crime scene in his own blood. do you have any progress at this point in determining why or what that means, "rb"? >> i don't know what it means. the profilers are going to look at a lot of data points. social media, witness
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statements, combat journal. they're looking for that. but, no, i do not know what rb means. >> one of the trauma surgeons who treated the wounded officer spoke. i wanted to play for you a little bit of what he said. it was very powerful. here he is. >> i want people to see me acres black man, and understand that i support you, i will defend you and care for you. that does not mean that i do not fear you. that doesn't mean that if you approach me, i will not immediately start worrying for my personal safety. >> very emotional when he said that, clay. how do you feel hearing that, coming from a black surgeon who saved some of these officers' lives? >> sounds like my friend, brian williams is who that sounds like. i know he is a great surgeon and
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a great man. and i know he also took his daughter to provide things for officers after this happened. and he is shaken by what happened. but race is a real -- we have a racial divide in this country. and i think that illustrates, you know, what he is saying illustrates some of the raw emotions that are out there. you never want this, brian, the mayor, the chief. no one wants this to happen on their watch. if something like this has to happen, this is a city that is capable of responding in a way that brings us closer together. we showed that with ebola. i think we're going to show that here. we just have to look at life through the perspective of other people and have to be more respectful of one another and more compassionate. >> thank you very much. that was, indeed, your friend, brian williams, the surgeon we
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breaking news, protests tonight. live pictures out of chicago.
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protesters have come out across the street, blocking, it looked like, from when i can see, four or five-lane road there in chicago. these protesters are gathering. this is the third day in a row you've seen protests like this in chicago as this grows, coming as new criticism is mounting of the black lives matter movement. protesters are on the defensive. the dallas shooter was, quote, upset about black lives matter before he killed the five dallas police officers in an ambush. miguel marquez is out front. >> reporter: black lives matter, the movement keeping up the fight. but the deaths of the five police officers during the dallas protest has brought criticism like never before. >> as far as i'm concerned it's a radical hate group. consequences of what we saw in dallas are due to their efforts. >> a black lives matter organizer in harlem. she has been with the organization from the beginning,
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from the acquittal of george zimmerman, death of trey von martin, to the death of fred ls die gray in baltimore. she says dallas may have complicated their efforts, but the movement won't back down. >> it's the response to dallas that might make it harder but it's the response. it's the response that people -- people have a choice in how they respond. >> the choice response for some? blame the black lives matter movement for dividing america. >> when you say black lives matter, that's inherently racist. >> well, i think they -- >> black lives matter, white lives matter, asian lives matter. hispanic lives matter. that's anti-american and it's racist. >> organizers say dallas was a horrible incident that never should have happened but black lives matter had nothing to do with it. >> we will not allow a tragedy, and tragedies that are not committed by us or affiliated with us and are completely not connected to us to then stop the
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movement. we will not allow them to then say we'll take a seat in the back of the bus. >> this is bigger than philando. >> reporter: shooting deaths of alton sterling in baton rouge, louisiana, and philando castile in minnesota are two incidents driving the black lives matter in the u.s. and around the world. castile was pulled over 52 times from 2002 to 2016, causing many to suspect he was racially profiled. treatment like that, the black lives matter movement hopes to eradica eradicate. >> whatever momentum you had, you're trying to regain that now, yes? >> it gives us more work to do. we fought really hard in the last two years. >> reporter: this is what the movement doesn't want to see go away, all the progress is made. or they feel they've made over the last two years. they want to draw a really sharp line between what happened in dallas and between what they say is inequality and racial injustice when it comes to dealing with police. erin? >> miguel, thank you very much. out front right now,
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criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, paul martin, private investigator bill stanton and former nypd criminal justice professor and lieutenant. thank you all for being here. black lives matter, inherently racist, juligiuliani says. >> i don't know if it's racist but segregation. i would have far more respect for black lives matter if they could define themselves. is it just cops? is it white cops? and i would love to see that crowd that's in chicago now protesting for all the black people, black youths especially that are killed every week in chicago by other people. >> that is one of the issues, paul, right? look at chicago as a perfect example. black lives are lost every day. they don't protest over that. >> i'm not so sure that's accurate. i think the black leadership has raised the issue regarding deaths in chicago and i don't believe mayor giuliani can point
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a finger regarding divisiveness in this country. he was the one in 1992 who stood up on a police car and yelled at the police officers, riled them up as they yelled racial insensitive remarks. he was a mayor that locked the door and would not allow black leadership to speak to the people. he was the one who basically called mayor dinkens and took credit for what he did, by bringing police officers into the state. >> i think that's unfair. >> it's not unfair. he has some nerve making a judgment call on black america when he has a -- a -- and in his own eye he lives in a glass house. he shouldn't throw stones. >> you're giving opinion. i'll give you math. do the metrics on when he brought in bill bratton and the reduction in crime in new york city, saving everybody's lives. >> no, no. bill, you lay out a very important point.
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safe streets something that was introduced by david denkins. mayor giuliani had the ability to reap the benefits of those massive resources. that's why the crime went down. you had the resources. going back in connection with what you mentioned about black lives matter i'm not a proponent of black lives matter. however, they did introduce a very important narrative, the cantankerous relationship between police and community and now we're talking about it on a national level. alleviate the rest of that stuff. discourse is necessary to make a change in police relations. >> what do you hear about the el paso police chief, calling it a radical hate group? >> free speech is protected under the first amendment. i believe there are a lot of issues in connection with the black lives matter movement. however, i don't perceive them as a hate or racist group. bill may feel that way. that's fine. you have that right. but that's just not my take on it. >> every major protest -- it may not be all of them but what
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you're hearing, pigs in a blanket. no justice, no peace. so what do you call that? in every major protest, there is some of that vitriolic stuff going out there. >> bill, bill -- >> for years and years. >> some of these issues and has to open a dialogue. >> what issue? >> what issue? >> what issue? >> i'm sorry, are you -- >> if you don't recognize the fact that there is a problem with race relations in this country and that black people have continuously and -- continuously have been treated in a manner which is unfair, you can look at the criminal justice system as a whole. you can look at all the deaths that have taken place. 559. >> ferguson? are you going to say ferguson? >> many cases. >> but, bill -- let's talk about what's happening right now. >> you're looking at different issues. i don't want to say they're abberations. i will say this.
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it's incumbent upon the leaders of the black lives matter movement to martial in and ensure that people come into these demonstrations and abide by having a safe and protected demonstration. when we look back at what black lives matter did recently, they had a moment of silence in connection with the shooting deaths of these police officers. the movement has a lot of work to be done. and i'm going to tell you, i don't agree with a lot of the prince. but it goes back to what i said earlier, erin. they introduced a very significant narrative in that this cantankerous relationship between police and the community. >> when you look at -- president obama has talked about this, right, majority of young african-american men are shot by other young african-american men. it needs to be about all black lives not just when it involves white police. >> monolithic group. plenty of people can speak for us. this is one issue that speaks to an issue we have. black clergy are speaking to an
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issue we have. black attorneys are doing the same. i wouldn't put all our eggs in one basket. >> let me just -- the police chief in dallas, for people who are frustrated -- i want to see if you think this is constructive or insulting. here he is. >> don't be a part of the problem. we're hiring. we're hiring. get off that protest line and put an application in. we'll put you in your neighborhood. >> effective? >> i think it's very effective. what the police chief is focusing on is if you're uncomfortable with the organization, then you can become a change agent and, in turn, affect change in this organization. we can provide -- we can have more african-americans, latinos or minority groups in general that can partake in this police department. i will say this much. the dallas pd is a really an unfair example. diversity in the dallas pd, in
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the community policing strategies they've been employing there have been phenomenal. >> yes. >> it's just unfortunate. we've rested on this based on the shooting of the five officers, death of the five officers and shooting of the additional six. >> get out of the protest line and get a job is basically what he said. >> i don't know that he said that. >> put in an application. the implication is pretty clear. get off the protest line and come work with us. >> police departments need to be more diverse. if we can bring in individuals from those neighborhoods to patrol those neighborhoods rather than having occupying forces that come from some place else and move into these neighborhoods, it would alleviate some of the tension in our neighborhoods. >> two things. education within the inner cities making it not a bad thing to become a po-po, not to become a cop. the question i have, other than the color of the cops in that shooting, with the alleged perpetrators -- >> which one? >> two shootings, in baton rouge and minneapolis. other than the color of their skin, where is there any proof that it was based on racism, not
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lack of training, not justified? >> at this point, we don't know. we don't have -- >> exactly right. >> you have the video. >> that's exactly right. >> we don't have all the facts. >> yet our leaders are saying it's racism. and i don't like that. >> what we're saying is that there is a consistent and constant situation where black people are dying at the hands of white police officers. and that is a problem. >> these incidents were the catalyst to something else. we had -- once again, this divisive relationship with police and community has been something that's been going on for years and years. it just show happens these two shootings brought everything to a head. that's why we're at the place we are. >> pause there. thank you all very much. when a minnesota man was killed by police during that traffic stop, it was the 53rd time that he had been pulled over. so, was he the repeated victim of racial profiling or was it something else? does free speech end with threatening language? i'm terrible at golf.
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breaking news. protests growing in chicago. there, they have been blocking
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off major intersections. also across the country in sacramento. protesters are gathering again tonight for the third day. we saw in chicago. as you can see now in cities across this country, more than 300 people were arrested in protests this weekend while demonstrating against police brutality. new information about philando castile, the black man shot by police following a traffic stop in minnesota. we are learning he had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years. this would have been the 53rd. was it profiling? reza flores is out front. >> reporter: when this video of the final moments of philando castile went viral, protests erupted, calling the killing of a black man during a traffic stop racism at the hands of police. some politicians quick to say it was racism as well. >> would this have happened if those passengers, the driver or passenger were white? i don't think it would have. >> reporter: now court records
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reveal castile was no stranger to seeing red and blue lights his rear view mirror. before his last traffic stop at this intersection now turned memorial, castile had been stopped 52 times since 2002, according to court records, for things like driving with a suspended license and no insurance. which raises the question, was castile racially profiled until the day he died? racial profiling expert and university of minnesota professor myron orfield has been studying law enforcement racial profiling in the twin cities for 15 years. would you say that he was probably racially profiled? >> i would say that looking at the record, it's consistent with a pattern of being racially profiled. >> reporter: we've been seeing this #drivingwhileblack. is that what the data is showing? >> i think, you know, it certainly suggests that that's what's happening. particularly when you look at a case like mr. castile's. you take a look at his driving
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record. he has an awful lot of stops. it suggests a pattern of very aggressive policing. >> reporter: the attorney of the shooting officer told cnn in a statement that the tragic incident had nothing to do with race and everything to do with the presence of a gun. >> he just killed my [ bleep ] boyfriend. he's licensed to carry. he was trying to get out his i.d. and his wallet out. >> reporter: minnesota law enforcement tells cnn that the law prohibits them from confirming to the media in castile had a license to carry a gun. a police commander who knows nanez. >> an all-around nice guy, to tell you the truth. >> reporter: as you take a look around me, you can see that the
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memorial at the shooting scene keeps growing. the state agency in charge tells me that they have finished interviewing all of the police officers involved, erin. to this point no u.s. doj investigation. we do know that the u.s. doj is assisting this state agency. >> rosa, thank you very much. >> in the hours after that shooting, karen bass appeared on a cnn show to talk about it. malik called in from arlington, texas, warning police. what you're about to hear is disturbin disturbing. >> we'll go to malik. >> caller: first of all i would like to say that police brutality and police state sanctioned executions of black people have been happening since the early 1900s. we have to get over the nonsense of asking our oppressors for
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justice. we, as black men, have to unite, mobilize, arm ourselves to combat the hostility by these people. i have a god-given right to be on this planet. if they want to come after me with hostile intentions, with violence, i must go back at them with hostile intentions and violence. >> my, oh, my. what i believe is new is a cell phone camera and live streaming. heaven help us if the answer to this is to go after in a violent manner law enforcement. i think that is a terrible idea. >> that was just hours before the dallas ambush. congresswoman, the timing there -- i know that that struck home to you. what were you thinking as you heard that call, as you heard what that man was saying? >> well, really, my heart sank because i felt, first of all, this was an individual that was
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essentially making a suicide call. he was saying i might commit suicide and take out as many people as i can on my way out. and i just thought that was devastating. obviously, somebody that, you know, has serious issues and i hated the thought that somebody would actually do that, that the level of hopelessness had reached the point that someone would consider committing suicide because, clearly, that's what it would be. that's absolutely what it was in dallas. >> in dallas and, obviously, this man was calling from a suburb of dallas, a different one than where the gunman, micah, was from. you thought it might, indeed, be the same person? >> well, we certainly thought he we should bring attention to that. the fact of the matter is what happened in dallas was just a horrific tragedy from somebody who clearly was unstable, had mental health issues. and i'm just concerned that we don't then collapse what a deranged individual did with a
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movement that has been relatively peaceful, where no one has called for anything like this. you know, we have to remember that the protest that was happening in dallas was going very well. there were pictures of police officers and protesters. >> and yet, you know, when you talk about how disturbed you felt when you heard this call, we played that audio to a friend of the dallas gunman. he said that is most certainly not his voice. they do have a different name. and were from different towns. that would mean that yet another person was saying that black men need to arm themselves to combat police. we understand there was yet another caller who said similar things on that same show. two callers there. you have what this man did in dallas. that is frightening. >> well, you know what? it is frightening. i think we have to be very, very careful and not go off the deep end. if we begin to think this is what's going to be happening in our communities, then i'm afraid it would lead to more
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police-involved shootings. we have to be very careful that we don't get extra paranoid because of people who call in. you know, for any call-in show, you get a whole lot of different people that make these calls. so, i think it's important that we not overreact. >> yes. though, i do want to emphasize, you did contact the fbi. if it, indeed, turns out that that caller is not the dallas shooter but someone else saying these same things, what do you think should happen to this person? >> i'm sure -- first of all, if i didn't know if it was him or not. i'm sure the fbi will follow up. if it wasn't him, whoever it was, that they will talk to and hopefully they'll be able to talk the individual off the ledge. and, hopefully, it was somebody who was just spouting because he was angry and not that he intends to do anything at all. >> congresswoman, i very much appreciate your time tonight. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me on. up next, new details on the robot used to take out the dallas sniper. we'll show you exactly how it
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breaking news, protesters gathering there in california. new details tonight about the robot armed with explosives that killed the dallas gunman as all of this began. sara sidener is out front. >> reporter: a robot and pound of c-4, this is what dallas police used in an unprecedented move to save officers' lives. in the heat of battle, the dallas police used the extraordinary tactic, likely a first in america, a robot with a bomb, to kill a cop-killing sniper. >> we knew from negotiations this was the suspect, because he was asking us how many did he get. and he was telling us how many more he wanted to kill. >> he had already killed five officers, wounded seven and two
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civilians during a 45-minute gun battle. >> he's in the damn building right there. he's in that building! >> chief brown made the final call. after a two-hour negotiation. he told his s.w.a.t. team to come up with a creative plan that would keep officers out of the line of fire. and take out the suspect. >> they improvised this whole idea in about 15, 20 minutes. extraordinary. >> reporter: that plan involve this had kind of robot, secured with c-4 explosive. so that right there is a pound of c-4? >> yes. this is 454 grams of c-4. >> reporter: we asked expert matt burnett to show us how this would work in the scenario detailed by the chief. first they had to maneuver the robot to the second floor. this is a similar model. notice the arm extension. that would have held the c-4 in place place. police then had to get it close without the suspect knowing it was there.
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it was positioned behind a brick wall. >> reporter: this two-by-four will -- this will be attached to the arm right here. >> reporter: we built a brick wall with rebar inside to demonstrate the blast range. to give you some idea of just how powerful a pound of c-4 can be, we're standing more than a football field away from that wall. and when it explodes, those fragments could be dangerous to the human body even here. that is outside. inside a building, burnett says damage to the human body would be exponentially worse. >> a pound of c-4 is a lot. >> reporter: it wouldn't necessarily be the blast that killed the person but the fragments that killed the person? >> that's right. the wall becomes the lethal aspect. >> it would go right through you? >> absolutely. like butter.
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>> reporter: asked whether chief brown would use that same unprecedented tactic again, he said absolutely, if it meant that it was going to save his officers or someone in the public's life. as far as how much that robot costs, $150,000. the c-4 costs 20 for a pound. erin? >> incredible. thank you so much, sara sidner. donald trump calling himself a law and order candidate and jeanne moos on the iconic women seen in these images. that image capturing the hearts and minds around the world. we'll be right back. if you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's, and your symptoms have left you with the same view, it may be time for a different perspective.
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hand, is weak, ineffective, pand. ering and, according to her recent e-mail scandal she's either a liar or goesly incompetent. >> repeatedly blasting his democratic rival. >> crooked hillary clinton is the secretary of the status quo. wherever hillary clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow. >> reporter: the clinton campaign launching a preemptive strike today, releasing a web video, highlighting trump's apparent praise for dictators. >> saddam hussein was a bad guy. do you know what he did well? he killed terrorists. he did that so good. >> reporter: trump getting some help on his attacks against clinton by new jersey governor chris christie. >> the democratic nominee for president lied to the american people. that's not a person that will stand for the rule of law. that's the person that will stand for the the rule of her.
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>> reporter: search for a running mate tell cnn christie has been fully vetted. others include indiana governor mike pence, joining trump on the trail tomorrow. >> this country is facing great challenges at home and abroad. we need a strong leadership supporting our troops, strong leadership getting this country moving again. >> reporter: former house speaker newt gingrich is reportedly lobbying for the slot. and another name, retired lieutenant general michael flynn, changing his position on abortion rights in the course of just two days. in interviews telling one network it's a woman's right to choose. the next day telling another network he is a pro-life democrat and that people may want pro-life judges who can change the laws and he believes the law should be changed. trump could announce his running mate as early as this week. as for clinton, erin, she is gearing up for her appearance
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with bernie sanders tomorrow. at that time, sanders is finally expected to endorse clinton. erin? reagan and clinton, david gergin. trump says he is the law and order candidate, playing to his base here. how effective is that? >> well, erin, several candidates have used it in the past, especially in the turmoil of the '60s, 1964 barry goldwater ran on that theme. he lost. he was too extreme for the country. in 1966 ronald reagan ran on that theme to be governor of california. he won. in 1968, richard nixon ran on that theme for the white house and he won. so, trump, i think, is wrapping himself in something that has been compelling in the past. the question remains over his campaign, is he too much like goldwater? is he too extreme for the country to accept? flirtation with racism, some would say his direct association with racism does hangover him. even as he talks about saluting
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the police and understanding and appreciating the police, he needs to show sympathy and understanding and empathy, if i may say so, and to do what hillary clinton has argued, and barack obama has argued, more white people need to listen to the voices of blacks if we're really going to solve this together. >> you hear him. today he came out with a tweet we we have the horrible shooting of the bailiffs in michigan. he came out then with a tweet. of course, he had not done so in the immediate aftermath of the two black men shot by police last week. >> erin, his issue is always overplaying his hand. law and order does play to a strength. people in the midst of turmoil, of uncertainty, they look for strength in a leader. what we've seen around the world and country after country is a rise of what we call caesarism, rise of a strong man who responds to public pressure for law and order. that's what helps trump. but his extremism on race and other issues may sink him.
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>> thank you very much. david gergin. >> thank you. jeanne moos with the stories behind some of the most stunning moments captured by photographers and protests over the past few days.
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some of the most dramatic moments during the protests have been captured on camera. here is jeanne moos.
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>> reporter: put the hostility on hold. >> i appreciate you. i appreciate what you're doing. >> reporter: from hugging a cop to opposing protesters hugging each other. >> black lives matter protests a few countered demonstrators in dallas. >> black lives matter. we all matter. hell. >> reporter: ended up with most of the black lives matter group joining the counter protesters. >> united we stand. we're all brothers here. >> reporter: for a group hug. >> everybody get it in. everybody get it in. >> reporter: there were arms wrapped around each other and hands held in prayer. this woman said on facebook she could feel the officer shaking. but the photo that seemed to shake up the most people was this one, taken as police moved in to remove protesters blocking a baton rouge highway. maybe it was the contrast in clothing. this photo of police, looking like something out of star wars while the woman seemed to look
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beyond them as she was about to be handcuffed went massively viral. for a while she was just a protester in a summer dress until she was finally identified as a licensed practical nurse from new york city, attending her first protest. photographer jonathan bachman told the atlantic it wasn't very violent. she didn't say anything. she didn't resist. the police didn't drag her off. the woman, identified as aeysha evans wrote on facebook "this is the work of god. i am a vessel." some called it reminiscent of tianamen square's tank man, a powerful image, but this is no tian tianan tiananamen square. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> something almost other worldly about how she is staring
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beyond them. don't forget, you can watch out front any time, anywhere on cnn go, ac 360 begins right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. a lot going on tonight. we begin with breaking news. protesters out on the streets again tonight, chicago and sacramento, california, ut in large numbers, blocking traffic. similar demonstration planned for atlanta, where marchers took over several major roadways. joining us down in the crowd, charlie, what is the scene like there in chicago? >> reporter: anderson, good evening. we are in the middle of it, like you said. protesters have made their way on to michigan avenue right now. if you're familiar with chicago at all, it's the magnificent mile, michigan avenue. one of the biggest tourist destinations. peaceful, though. protesters have been loudly voicing their